for Steelers last year? I'm not sure I've ever seen that bad of stats from a WR that started a full season. Would be surprised if he even made the team.
Still probably better than guys like hodgins if were being honest. The steelers qb play was about as bad as the giants for most of the season last year.
VET min deal but we can't have all speedsters on the team, we need some size and hands too. That being said I would think he is insurance against Slayton holding out and injuries elsewhere.
BY the way the Steelers passing game was awful last year. Pickens led the team with 63 receptions. Dionte Johnson was next with (WR wise) 51 and then Robinson..
Again, to me this is VET insurance but also a WR who is DIFFERENT than what we have on the roster now.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
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Worth noting that Robinson was lauded as a veteran presence with the Steelers. He was a cap casualty, but indications were Pittsburgh wanted to keep him at a reduced rate. Now he's a Giant, more than likely at that reduced rate.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
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With the signings of Robinson and Rourke this week, the Giants will need to create two roster spots once the undrafted free agents officially sign tomorrow.
John Schmeelk
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At 6'3 and 220 pounds Robinson adds a different body type to the room and some veteran presence. He has caught 562 catches for over 7000 yards in his career. Last 1000 yard season came in 2020 - last three years has been in the 33-38 catch range for 280-410 yards.
GiantsWFAN
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Robinson always used his frame well for contested catches and does a good job blocking in the run game.....experience in the big slot last year....big-time leader in the steelers locker room and was a cap casualty
That's just based on reports but I assume true. If he's with us through the summer and camp to help the younger guys there is value in that imo. If he makes the roster as a backup, okie dokie (but I kinda doubt he will).
wonder if slayton talks arent going the way they thought and he's on his way out.
robinson is still good in contested catches and doesnt drop the ball but other than that he looks pretty cooked. on field i dont see how he'd crack the top 5 and he brings no ST value.
GiantsWFAN
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Robinson always used his frame well for contested catches and does a good job blocking in the run game.....experience in the big slot last year....big-time leader in the steelers locker room and was a cap casualty
"good job blocking in the run game"...this could be what they want from him. Also, with a short passing game getting the ball in space to the speesters at or near the LOS, he may be what they're looking for blocking in the secondary.
signing. But it's a VSB deal. Robinson is competition for camp. They are not trading Slayton. He and Robinson are two totally different receivers.
robinson and slayton are different receivers,
hyatt and slayton are not though. and hyatt is currently #4.
id give hodgins (5), mackenzie (6) and gunner (7) better shots at making it over robinson. maybe even boykin (9) because he's good on ST.
the slayton question has very little to do with robinson, do you cash in depth, save some money, and maybe bring back an asset? if the asset is worth it, id do it, especially if he's unhappy with his contract. a player still on a rookie deal with some cheap years left in a less crowded position group plus some saved money might be worth it. robinson is vet camp fodder either way imo. jamison crowder without the special teams value.
signing. But it's a VSB deal. Robinson is competition for camp. They are not trading Slayton. He and Robinson are two totally different receivers.
robinson and slayton are different receivers,
hyatt and slayton are not though. and hyatt is currently #4.
id give hodgins (5), mackenzie (6) and gunner (7) better shots at making it over robinson. maybe even boykin (9) because he's good on ST.
the slayton question has very little to do with robinson, do you cash in depth, save some money, and maybe bring back an asset? if the asset is worth it, id do it, especially if he's unhappy with his contract. a player still on a rookie deal with some cheap years left in a less crowded position group plus some saved money might be worth it. robinson is vet camp fodder either way imo. jamison crowder without the special teams value.
I wouldn't trade Slayton. He's worth a lot more to the Giants than to any other team. We'd never get fair market value for him. Maybe a fifth at most. He's already vastly outplayed his draft status and is a solid veteran presence. Hyatt is still raw and despite all of his promise, Nabers has yet to play a down in the NFL. It's also a long season. Players get hurt. We finally have a good group of WRs that is fast. I'm not breaking that up for a day three draft pick.
He can play the Sterling Shepard role of team cheerleader.
Having a “cheerleader” or 2 is very useful. There is always some level discord between leadership and teams. In sports or work. Lack of morale is the enemy of effort. Game of inches still. Effort matters. Morale matters. Having veterans around for Nabers will not suck.
acid i generally agree re slaytons value but just for discussion
here are some players rumored available right now - if i could get lattimore for slayton, id do that. saints cant trade him pre-june, but post-june 1 i believe he'd cost his new team a few mil less than slayton costs.
roster move. This guy has an excellent chance to stick.
Even if they believe he has a poor chance to stick, he has value as a veteran mentor during training camp. He may be of help to youngsters like BFW and Cota when it comes to teaching techniques that take advantage of their height.
Nabers
W. Robinson
Hyatt
Hodgins
Slayton
A. Robinson
Then you have to take into account special teams guys like Boykin and Olszewski. They aren’t keeping 8 receivers so at least one or two of these players isn’t making the team.
He’s a camp body with an outside shot of making the team. He’s over 30 now and he is cooked. There’s a reason why he was still a free agent. He would also be behind Nabers, Wan’dale, Hyatt, and Slayton. Unless you play special teams you should not be a 5th receiver on the team.
Veteran pass rushers at DT/edge. We need some juice there. I'm fine with the CB battle after he Long signing and I guess we are fine with nelson as swing T/Thomas backup. No traditional FB yet, Jakob Johnson still out there too
But obviously can play outside. The best way to utilize Nabers is to move him around the formation (Hyatt and Wan'Dale as well), so you're going to need to guys that can line up on the line. He's another guy to throw in the mix.
If Tracy wins the returner job that could open up another spot at WR.
Veteran pass rushers at DT/edge. We need some juice there. I'm fine with the CB battle after he Long signing and I guess we are fine with nelson as swing T/Thomas backup. No traditional FB yet, Jakob Johnson still out there too
I don't see them going with a traditional FB versus moving a TE into the backfield as the TE gives more ability to go with the passing game. Most teams don't use the traditional FB anymore.
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
All of that is a lot of words for you to agree with me that the Kenny Golladay comparison is dumb.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
I'm not saying they signed Robinson to solely be a veteran presence. He's coming to try and make the team. And as of now, Slayton's not in the building for the offseason program. Not sure if or when that changes. Having another experienced receiver in the room can only help the transition.
About this signing is Robinson’s hot wife/girlfriend... Alyssa Sorto
If JoeyBigButts shows up as a BBI dupe account, we'll know which user registered it.
I like the signing. Quality insurance, inside-out versatility, veteran presence, good blocker, sets a floor under the position, etc. Hoping he won't make the team, but Robinson is a good use of a spot on the preseason WR depth chart.
Ok Slayton you don’t want to show up to camp, well now you are taking the chance of riding the pine and losing all value in the market place. Because this guy is going to come in and take all your reps in camp and be the first call of the bench not you.
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
the thread police demand a higher level of accuracy in all comparisons.
allen robinson got overpaid (at very similar $ to golladay) and injured 1 full year later, and thusly kicked the curb bc he cant separate 1 full year later. even if their AAVs were almost the same as free agents and contracts played out the same way and on field regression similarly.
just because he shares a lot in common with kenny golladay (though with a better attitude on a low risk contract) it doesnt mean the comparison to kenny golladay with a better attitude and lower risk isnt worth nitpicking.
Ok Slayton you don’t want to show up to camp, well now you are taking the chance of riding the pine and losing all value in the market place. Because this guy is going to come in and take all your reps in camp and be the first call of the bench not you.
very possible. id imagine robinson didnt have many suitors and a couple months out from camp was just looking to catch on somewhere.
if the details come out and there's $0 gtd like Long, there could literally be no downside.
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
the thread police demand a higher level of accuracy in all comparisons.
allen robinson got overpaid (at very similar $ to golladay) and injured 1 full year later, and thusly kicked the curb bc he cant separate 1 full year later. even if their AAVs were almost the same as free agents and contracts played out the same way and on field regression similarly.
just because he shares a lot in common with kenny golladay (though with a better attitude on a low risk contract) it doesnt mean the comparison to kenny golladay with a better attitude and lower risk isnt worth nitpicking.
Would you consider a 55% difference in total value meaningful?
How about 14% in AAV?
How about the fact that you have to use a prior contract with a previous team as the comparison, not the current contract with the current team?
Or the fact that they are not at all similar besides nominally playing WR?
It was a lazy comparison. Not quite as lazy as refusing to use a shift button, but close.
Would you consider a 55% difference in total value meaningful?
How about 14% in AAV?
How about the fact that you have to use a prior contract with a previous team as the comparison, not the current contract with the current team?
Or the fact that they are not at all similar besides nominally playing WR?r
It was a lazy comparison. Not quite as lazy as refusing to use a shift button, but close.
the thread police and the grammar police wrapped into 1 poster, talk about a dual threat.
and no i dont think it's a lazy comparison, i think they are pretty darn similar. they are both the same type of big bodied contested catch WR who was drafted on day 2 with concerns about movement, then lost a step they couldnt afford to lose pretty rapidly. each made 1 pro bowl in their careers but fell off after injuries.
those similarities are why one of them was the 2nd highest paid FA WR at $30m guaranteed about 12 months after the other was the highest paid WR with $40m guaranteed, so id say the nfl considered them pretty similar at the times they signed their last contracts, and similarly considered both of them total busts almost right away which is why both ended up in the same place 2 years after signing longer deals.
about sports is stupid enough id imagine 90%+ of bbi would agree we spend too much time doing it. we all have our stupid hobbies but religiously sub-commenting on various commenters just seems an order of magnitude stupider.
But for veteran presence, you can do worse. I imagine he's battling Hodgins for a spot.
probably but im not sure how you justify giving it to him unless they show up to camp in 2 different bodies. in what we all considered to be a disappointing season for hodgins, he was still more productive than robinson. he had 3 more first downs and 3 more tds in almost 50% fewer targets. he was also more productive in fewer targets in 2022 which was robinson pre-injury.
both were FA's a month ago and the nyg resigned Hodgins first ahead of Robinson. id be surprised if they gtd robinson anywhere near the 325k hodgins got, and unless he seriously outplays hodgins in camp i cant imagine keeping the 5 year older player.
hard to see him making the roster barring injuries/trade.
his biggest impact will likely be as a mentor for Nabers. They Giants are an extremely young team. There is not a lot of veteran leadership on this roster.
RE: RE: Robinson has never been blessed with good QB play
I can't get too excited about this signing -- it is comparable to what they did with Paris Campbell and Cole Beasley, who we also got all worked up about; if there are injuries this guy is just there for insurance purposes.
The Giant essentially have their WR room -- but there is no harm in bringing ing veteran competition to keep everyone on their toes and add depth for reps if there is an issue in camp or otherwise. It's more likely than not that he'll be cut when the roster is finalized at the end of August barring a rash of injuries.
Signing a vet WR like Robinson is all about Slayton
Slayton wants a higher salary, but under the Giants current limitations regarding the salary cap he's not going to get what he expects. It would not surprise me at all if the Giants cut Slayton and he'd sign with Philly.
Thank goodness the Giants drafted Malik Nabers this season and Jalin Hyatt last season, at least the Giants have two good WR's in their rebuilding phase.
Acquiring a seasoned WR like Allen Robinson is good to have a quality WR who's used to working with a subpar QB during his career. He'll teach the younger WR's to stay focused.
I can't get too excited about this signing -- it is comparable to what they did with Paris Campbell and Cole Beasley, who we also got all worked up about; if there are injuries this guy is just there for insurance purposes.
The Giant essentially have their WR room -- but there is no harm in bringing ing veteran competition to keep everyone on their toes and add depth for reps if there is an issue in camp or otherwise. It's more likely than not that he'll be cut when the roster is finalized at the end of August barring a rash of injuries.
Who got worked up over Parris Campbell and Cole Beasley?
Would you consider a 55% difference in total value meaningful?
How about 14% in AAV?
How about the fact that you have to use a prior contract with a previous team as the comparison, not the current contract with the current team?
Or the fact that they are not at all similar besides nominally playing WR?r
It was a lazy comparison. Not quite as lazy as refusing to use a shift button, but close.
the thread police and the grammar police wrapped into 1 poster, talk about a dual threat.
and no i dont think it's a lazy comparison, i think they are pretty darn similar. they are both the same type of big bodied contested catch WR who was drafted on day 2 with concerns about movement, then lost a step they couldnt afford to lose pretty rapidly. each made 1 pro bowl in their careers but fell off after injuries.
those similarities are why one of them was the 2nd highest paid FA WR at $30m guaranteed about 12 months after the other was the highest paid WR with $40m guaranteed, so id say the nfl considered them pretty similar at the times they signed their last contracts, and similarly considered both of them total busts almost right away which is why both ended up in the same place 2 years after signing longer deals.
LOL. I didn't make the comparison, but I understand what Tim was getting at. A no risk Golladay. Likely washed up WR past his prime, but worth a shot since it's a cheap contract, thus the "no risk" term.
Amazed that's so controversial. Talk about much ado about nothing
RE: Signing a vet WR like Robinson is all about Slayton
Slayton wants a higher salary, but under the Giants current limitations regarding the salary cap he's not going to get what he expects. It would not surprise me at all if the Giants cut Slayton and he'd sign with Philly.
Thank goodness the Giants drafted Malik Nabers this season and Jalin Hyatt last season, at least the Giants have two good WR's in their rebuilding phase.
Acquiring a seasoned WR like Allen Robinson is good to have a quality WR who's used to working with a subpar QB during his career. He'll teach the younger WR's to stay focused.
You are probably right. Bye bye Slayton…nice knowing you.
red zone packages. He's one of the best contested catch WR's the last decade and is still awesome as a red zone target, especially on corner fade routes. Even as a decoy, that's extremely valuable in a tight area.
Holding this guy back is injuries. When on the field he’s as reliable as it gets. Hands are elite. Route running is outstanding. Catch radius is elite. Speed has obviously diminished because of age and injuries but he makes up for it by Mossing guys. He understands how to get open off the line; he understands how to sit in a zone; he understands how to set guys up by giving them different looks off the line. He understands how to work the sidelines; his toe tap/drag is elite. My Giants comp is Amani Toomer.
Overall I’ll give this signing an A+ considering it’s this late in the offseason.
If Schoen can make a similar signing at the CB position Giants will be set.
Reminds me of when the Giants signed Brandon Marshall. At the end of the day if he makes the final 53 and contributes I'll be pleasantly surprised.
In fairness to Robinson, he had more receptions and only 10 less yards last year than Brandon Marshall had in his final two years in the league combined. Robinson may be done but Marshall was
My guess is Daboll likes the inside/out alignment versatility because that is what they plan to do with Nabers - so a solid offset. Still not sure I would take Robinson over Hodgins though.
My guess is Daboll likes the inside/out alignment versatility because that is what they plan to do with Nabers - so a solid offset. Still not sure I would take Robinson over Hodgins though.
Hey Sy!
I can understand why you would say that. However, remember, his last BIG season came with Trubisky and Foles, 2020. Then Andy Dalton/Rookie Justin Fields 2021 that was a down year for him obviously. Then 2022 he gets picked up by the Rams they give him the big contract and Stanford gets injured and there went that season for them. 2023 he ends up with Pickett/Rudolph; need I say more. I respect everyone’s opinion on this signing; I’m just not ready to say this guy is done. The skill set is still there he needs better QB play in my opinion.
matt malone
@WanderingFins
to giants fans, his steelers stats are severely misleading. matt canada absolutely 100% wasted him & it is NOT an accurate representation of his abilities.
he was reliable when actually used. problem is more than 60% of his routes were empty running routes, not even blocking.
and that wasn't going so hot before he got hurt. 10 starts, 52 targets, 339 yards, 10 ypc, 3 tds. he averaged 34 ypg and had a 63.5% catch rate.
pittsburgh offense was trash but at 30 years old robinson hasnt been a good player in 4 years, and he tore an acl. thats why he's available at the minimum. he is this year's shepard/beasley though obviously a different type of player.
but they should be looking into a getting a veteran CB instead.
Since this is a veteran salary minimum contract, it doesn't really have to be "instead" of any other move. It essentially will have zero cap impact. All it means is someone else at the bottom of the 90 is getting early walking papers.
No. They ran out of silverware and needed the fork in his back.
BY the way the Steelers passing game was awful last year. Pickens led the team with 63 receptions. Dionte Johnson was next with (WR wise) 51 and then Robinson..
Again, to me this is VET insurance but also a WR who is DIFFERENT than what we have on the roster now.
@art_stapleton
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Worth noting that Robinson was lauded as a veteran presence with the Steelers. He was a cap casualty, but indications were Pittsburgh wanted to keep him at a reduced rate. Now he's a Giant, more than likely at that reduced rate.
@DDuggan21
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With the signings of Robinson and Rourke this week, the Giants will need to create two roster spots once the undrafted free agents officially sign tomorrow.
@Schmeelk
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At 6'3 and 220 pounds Robinson adds a different body type to the room and some veteran presence. He has caught 562 catches for over 7000 yards in his career. Last 1000 yard season came in 2020 - last three years has been in the 33-38 catch range for 280-410 yards.
@art_stapleton
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Average age of #NYGiants WR room in offseason: 24.8
Average age of expected #NYGiants WR room in-season: 24.5
@PLeonardNYDN
The #Giants have signed veteran WR Allen Robinson II, the team announced.
Robinson, 30, started all 17 games for the #Steelers last season, had 34 catches for 280 yards.
Brings real pedigree: 7,028 career receiving yards and 43 TDs in 127 games. This is his 4th team in 4 years (#Bears, #Rams, Steelers, Giants).
Was a cap casualty in Pitt. Played more slot (496 snaps) than out wide (267 snaps) for the Steelers, but played both (per
@PFF
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An interesting addition given Darius Slayton’s contract situation & early spring absence
@giantswfan
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Robinson always used his frame well for contested catches and does a good job blocking in the run game.....experience in the big slot last year....big-time leader in the steelers locker room and was a cap casualty
@JosinaAnderson
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#Giants announce they have signed WR Allen Robinson.
I'm told he was signed to a 1-year deal for the veteran salary benefit, per source.
Nabers
Hyatt
Robinson
Slayton
Hodgins?
McKenzie?
There is a path for him for sure.
I’m not excited about ARob, but I could see why another vet presence is important to the room
Alyssa Sorto - ( New Window )
That would make sense. I'd rather sign Robinson and trade Slayton and get a draft pick than extend Slayton.
Alyssa Sorto - ( New Window )
That is a whole lotta ass
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
robinson is still good in contested catches and doesnt drop the ball but other than that he looks pretty cooked. on field i dont see how he'd crack the top 5 and he brings no ST value.
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Robinson always used his frame well for contested catches and does a good job blocking in the run game.....experience in the big slot last year....big-time leader in the steelers locker room and was a cap casualty
"good job blocking in the run game"...this could be what they want from him. Also, with a short passing game getting the ball in space to the speesters at or near the LOS, he may be what they're looking for blocking in the secondary.
Alyssa Sorto - ( New Window )
VERY nice!
Like Russ Tyler in Mighty Ducks 2?
robinson and slayton are different receivers,
hyatt and slayton are not though. and hyatt is currently #4.
id give hodgins (5), mackenzie (6) and gunner (7) better shots at making it over robinson. maybe even boykin (9) because he's good on ST.
the slayton question has very little to do with robinson, do you cash in depth, save some money, and maybe bring back an asset? if the asset is worth it, id do it, especially if he's unhappy with his contract. a player still on a rookie deal with some cheap years left in a less crowded position group plus some saved money might be worth it. robinson is vet camp fodder either way imo. jamison crowder without the special teams value.
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signing. But it's a VSB deal. Robinson is competition for camp. They are not trading Slayton. He and Robinson are two totally different receivers.
robinson and slayton are different receivers,
hyatt and slayton are not though. and hyatt is currently #4.
id give hodgins (5), mackenzie (6) and gunner (7) better shots at making it over robinson. maybe even boykin (9) because he's good on ST.
the slayton question has very little to do with robinson, do you cash in depth, save some money, and maybe bring back an asset? if the asset is worth it, id do it, especially if he's unhappy with his contract. a player still on a rookie deal with some cheap years left in a less crowded position group plus some saved money might be worth it. robinson is vet camp fodder either way imo. jamison crowder without the special teams value.
I wouldn't trade Slayton. He's worth a lot more to the Giants than to any other team. We'd never get fair market value for him. Maybe a fifth at most. He's already vastly outplayed his draft status and is a solid veteran presence. Hyatt is still raw and despite all of his promise, Nabers has yet to play a down in the NFL. It's also a long season. Players get hurt. We finally have a good group of WRs that is fast. I'm not breaking that up for a day three draft pick.
both are essentially on 1 year deals with nothing guaranteed beyond this year so i was planning to let slayton walk next year anyway, why not consider if he can bring back something decent now?
Surprise NFL Players Who Could Get Traded, Cut After 2024 Draft - ( New Window )
When it comes to tall receivers, it's...
Boykin 6'4"
Cota 6'4"
Hodgins 6'4"
BFW 6'3"
Robinson 6'3"
W. Robinson
Hyatt
Hodgins
Slayton
A. Robinson
Then you have to take into account special teams guys like Boykin and Olszewski. They aren’t keeping 8 receivers so at least one or two of these players isn’t making the team.
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Now I know you're trolling.
If Tracy wins the returner job that could open up another spot at WR.
I don't see them going with a traditional FB versus moving a TE into the backfield as the TE gives more ability to go with the passing game. Most teams don't use the traditional FB anymore.
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He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
Exactly, he's washed.
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He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
All of that is a lot of words for you to agree with me that the Kenny Golladay comparison is dumb.
@art_stapleton
I'm not saying they signed Robinson to solely be a veteran presence. He's coming to try and make the team. And as of now, Slayton's not in the building for the offseason program. Not sure if or when that changes. Having another experienced receiver in the room can only help the transition.
If JoeyBigButts shows up as a BBI dupe account, we'll know which user registered it.
I like the signing. Quality insurance, inside-out versatility, veteran presence, good blocker, sets a floor under the position, etc. Hoping he won't make the team, but Robinson is a good use of a spot on the preseason WR depth chart.
Ok Slayton you don’t want to show up to camp, well now you are taking the chance of riding the pine and losing all value in the market place. Because this guy is going to come in and take all your reps in camp and be the first call of the bench not you.
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He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
the thread police demand a higher level of accuracy in all comparisons.
allen robinson got overpaid (at very similar $ to golladay) and injured 1 full year later, and thusly kicked the curb bc he cant separate 1 full year later. even if their AAVs were almost the same as free agents and contracts played out the same way and on field regression similarly.
just because he shares a lot in common with kenny golladay (though with a better attitude on a low risk contract) it doesnt mean the comparison to kenny golladay with a better attitude and lower risk isnt worth nitpicking.
Ok Slayton you don’t want to show up to camp, well now you are taking the chance of riding the pine and losing all value in the market place. Because this guy is going to come in and take all your reps in camp and be the first call of the bench not you.
very possible. id imagine robinson didnt have many suitors and a couple months out from camp was just looking to catch on somewhere.
if the details come out and there's $0 gtd like Long, there could literally be no downside.
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He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Wouldn't the term "low risK" include the fact he is a cheap signing? I would think the inclusive of "low risk" clearly indicates the poster is aware the Giants didn't sign him to a $72 million contract....
the thread police demand a higher level of accuracy in all comparisons.
allen robinson got overpaid (at very similar $ to golladay) and injured 1 full year later, and thusly kicked the curb bc he cant separate 1 full year later. even if their AAVs were almost the same as free agents and contracts played out the same way and on field regression similarly.
just because he shares a lot in common with kenny golladay (though with a better attitude on a low risk contract) it doesnt mean the comparison to kenny golladay with a better attitude and lower risk isnt worth nitpicking.
Would you consider a 55% difference in total value meaningful?
How about 14% in AAV?
How about the fact that you have to use a prior contract with a previous team as the comparison, not the current contract with the current team?
Or the fact that they are not at all similar besides nominally playing WR?
It was a lazy comparison. Not quite as lazy as refusing to use a shift button, but close.
He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
He's TO compared to Golloday and he's a bargain
How about 14% in AAV?
How about the fact that you have to use a prior contract with a previous team as the comparison, not the current contract with the current team?
Or the fact that they are not at all similar besides nominally playing WR?r
It was a lazy comparison. Not quite as lazy as refusing to use a shift button, but close.
the thread police and the grammar police wrapped into 1 poster, talk about a dual threat.
and no i dont think it's a lazy comparison, i think they are pretty darn similar. they are both the same type of big bodied contested catch WR who was drafted on day 2 with concerns about movement, then lost a step they couldnt afford to lose pretty rapidly. each made 1 pro bowl in their careers but fell off after injuries.
those similarities are why one of them was the 2nd highest paid FA WR at $30m guaranteed about 12 months after the other was the highest paid WR with $40m guaranteed, so id say the nfl considered them pretty similar at the times they signed their last contracts, and similarly considered both of them total busts almost right away which is why both ended up in the same place 2 years after signing longer deals.
the same place you go to contribute nothing else meaningful to any discussion, right here.
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About this signing is Robinson’s hot wife/girlfriend
Alyssa Sorto - ( New Window )
That is a whole lotta ass
My sentiments exactly. Is it me or has the definition of a "hot/attractive" woman expanded to include fat asses?
probably but im not sure how you justify giving it to him unless they show up to camp in 2 different bodies. in what we all considered to be a disappointing season for hodgins, he was still more productive than robinson. he had 3 more first downs and 3 more tds in almost 50% fewer targets. he was also more productive in fewer targets in 2022 which was robinson pre-injury.
both were FA's a month ago and the nyg resigned Hodgins first ahead of Robinson. id be surprised if they gtd robinson anywhere near the 325k hodgins got, and unless he seriously outplays hodgins in camp i cant imagine keeping the 5 year older player.
hard to see him making the roster barring injuries/trade.
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finally he comes to the right place where NYG can maximize AR's talents. Better late than never I always say.
Now I know you're trolling.
Just chumming the waters...pathetic I know.
The Giant essentially have their WR room -- but there is no harm in bringing ing veteran competition to keep everyone on their toes and add depth for reps if there is an issue in camp or otherwise. It's more likely than not that he'll be cut when the roster is finalized at the end of August barring a rash of injuries.
Thank goodness the Giants drafted Malik Nabers this season and Jalin Hyatt last season, at least the Giants have two good WR's in their rebuilding phase.
Acquiring a seasoned WR like Allen Robinson is good to have a quality WR who's used to working with a subpar QB during his career. He'll teach the younger WR's to stay focused.
The Giant essentially have their WR room -- but there is no harm in bringing ing veteran competition to keep everyone on their toes and add depth for reps if there is an issue in camp or otherwise. It's more likely than not that he'll be cut when the roster is finalized at the end of August barring a rash of injuries.
Who got worked up over Parris Campbell and Cole Beasley?
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About this signing is Robinson’s hot wife/girlfriend
Alyssa Sorto - ( New Window )
That is a whole lotta ass
My sentiments exactly. Is it me or has the definition of a "hot/attractive" woman expanded to include fat asses?
It’s definitely not everything, but it is an attractive feature, to me at least.
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Would you consider a 55% difference in total value meaningful?
How about 14% in AAV?
How about the fact that you have to use a prior contract with a previous team as the comparison, not the current contract with the current team?
Or the fact that they are not at all similar besides nominally playing WR?r
It was a lazy comparison. Not quite as lazy as refusing to use a shift button, but close.
the thread police and the grammar police wrapped into 1 poster, talk about a dual threat.
and no i dont think it's a lazy comparison, i think they are pretty darn similar. they are both the same type of big bodied contested catch WR who was drafted on day 2 with concerns about movement, then lost a step they couldnt afford to lose pretty rapidly. each made 1 pro bowl in their careers but fell off after injuries.
those similarities are why one of them was the 2nd highest paid FA WR at $30m guaranteed about 12 months after the other was the highest paid WR with $40m guaranteed, so id say the nfl considered them pretty similar at the times they signed their last contracts, and similarly considered both of them total busts almost right away which is why both ended up in the same place 2 years after signing longer deals.
LOL. I didn't make the comparison, but I understand what Tim was getting at. A no risk Golladay. Likely washed up WR past his prime, but worth a shot since it's a cheap contract, thus the "no risk" term.
Amazed that's so controversial. Talk about much ado about nothing
Thank goodness the Giants drafted Malik Nabers this season and Jalin Hyatt last season, at least the Giants have two good WR's in their rebuilding phase.
Acquiring a seasoned WR like Allen Robinson is good to have a quality WR who's used to working with a subpar QB during his career. He'll teach the younger WR's to stay focused.
You are probably right. Bye bye Slayton…nice knowing you.
Yikes.
Yikes.
Every player's action (negotiation tactic or social media vague posting) has an equal and opposite BBI reaction, third rule of posting
Overall I’ll give this signing an A+ considering it’s this late in the offseason.
If Schoen can make a similar signing at the CB position Giants will be set.
In fairness to Robinson, he had more receptions and only 10 less yards last year than Brandon Marshall had in his final two years in the league combined. Robinson may be done but Marshall was
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would the Giants cut Slayton? Because he's holding out?
Yikes.
Every player's action (negotiation tactic or social media vague posting) has an equal and opposite BBI reaction, third rule of posting
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He's Kenny Golladay with a better attitude. Low risk and possible red zone target.
Kenny Golladay got $72M over four years and a punitive cost to release him.
Allen Robinson will be a one-year VSB signing.
Are you really struggling to see a distinction beyond "better attitude"?
Are you really struggling with reading comprehension? I referenced the player. Not his contract. FYA 🙃
My guess is Daboll likes the inside/out alignment versatility because that is what they plan to do with Nabers - so a solid offset. Still not sure I would take Robinson over Hodgins though.
My guess is Daboll likes the inside/out alignment versatility because that is what they plan to do with Nabers - so a solid offset. Still not sure I would take Robinson over Hodgins though.
Hey Sy!
I can understand why you would say that. However, remember, his last BIG season came with Trubisky and Foles, 2020. Then Andy Dalton/Rookie Justin Fields 2021 that was a down year for him obviously. Then 2022 he gets picked up by the Rams they give him the big contract and Stanford gets injured and there went that season for them. 2023 he ends up with Pickett/Rudolph; need I say more. I respect everyone’s opinion on this signing; I’m just not ready to say this guy is done. The skill set is still there he needs better QB play in my opinion.
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to giants fans, his steelers stats are severely misleading. matt canada absolutely 100% wasted him & it is NOT an accurate representation of his abilities.
he was reliable when actually used. problem is more than 60% of his routes were empty running routes, not even blocking.
pittsburgh offense was trash but at 30 years old robinson hasnt been a good player in 4 years, and he tore an acl. thats why he's available at the minimum. he is this year's shepard/beasley though obviously a different type of player.
Since this is a veteran salary minimum contract, it doesn't really have to be "instead" of any other move. It essentially will have zero cap impact. All it means is someone else at the bottom of the 90 is getting early walking papers.