Screw this 'rest the starters' fan nonsense...this team has taken pride in overcoming the injuries. Stealing this one tonight would be a knife in the Pacers' ribs
RE: I have been against Precious at the 4 at all costs
Thibs usually makes decisions based on the defensive side of the court first, and I think he is going to want the size to deal with Siakam. They have done a nice job of holding him in check through the first 2 games, you don’t want to let him beat up a small ball lineup and gain confidence to really get rolling.
Normally you worry about the spacing with Precious on the floor, but if Indiana is going to press, and trap/blitz Brunson then that leaves plenty of space for the rest of the team. Have to trust in the other 4 guys to make it happen, and Brunson to make the correct decision as he has all postseason.
Thibs usually makes decisions based on the defensive side of the court first, and I think he is going to want the size to deal with Siakam. They have done a nice job of holding him in check through the first 2 games, you don’t want to let him beat up a small ball lineup and gain confidence to really get rolling.
Normally you worry about the spacing with Precious on the floor, but if Indiana is going to press, and trap/blitz Brunson then that leaves plenty of space for the rest of the team. Have to trust in the other 4 guys to make it happen, and Brunson to make the correct decision as he has all postseason.
If Pacers start trapping Brunson like they did in the 4th of game 2, Knicks are going to destroy them
Indiana is mentally soft. You don't hand them anything. You keep punching them in the mouth and let them deal with that. They are front runners. When the crowd is screaming and they're running and hitting shots the look great. When the going gets tough like the 2nd halves the past 2 games they fold like a cardboard suitcase.
NY Giants16 I'm warming to starting Deuce too. We did it sometimes in March & April against teams that we're not as physical like Sac & GS and it worked well to get Deuce going.
his 2 pointers to avoid leaving open their 3 point shooters. They're a prolific outside shooting team, I'd rather let Siakem get his than double and leave shooters wide open from 3
But I think in this series so far he has shown that he realizes Indiana is gonna get theirs but that we have to make them pay on the other end of the floor and so far it's worked.
beingredients is a good sign. If anything to give Precious a few pointers on how to defend Siakim. If we ever needed Duece to be G League Deuce it's the next couple games. Especially with OG out. Does this mean Simms get some playoff minutes?
Indiana is mentally soft. You don't hand them anything. You keep punching them in the mouth and let them deal with that. They are front runners. When the crowd is screaming and they're running and hitting shots the look great. When the going gets tough like the 2nd halves the past 2 games they fold like a cardboard suitcase.
NY Giants16 I'm warming to starting Deuce too. We did it sometimes in March & April against teams that we're not as physical like Sac & GS and it worked well to get Deuce going.
Expecting the Pacers to get some home cooking officiating tonight, especially after Carlisle's bitching.
Or maybe it is the opposite. Carlisle is a bitch. Zero accountability by him with his team. All he's doing is blaming the refs. Wally and Hahn destroyed him in the post game.
Expecting the Pacers to get some home cooking officiating tonight, especially after Carlisle's bitching.
Or maybe it is the opposite. Carlisle is a bitch. Zero accountability by him with his team. All he's doing is blaming the refs. Wally and Hahn destroyed him in the post game.
I agree picking out 78 missed calls and sending to the NBA they might not get another call their way.
Refs don't like whining either.
Turner literally shoved Hartenstein to get a free 3...
then Turner basically runs over Brunson and tof course dont call it
Yeah there was a blatant shove to iHart right in front of ref. Same situation as sixers game 3. Gonna have a ton of calls that won’t work our way. Such is the nba
Right now just got to keep it close and then apply pressure in the 4th, we can do this. Pacers will crumble in the end if they don't put us away when they have a chance.
And he's still doing it. WTF is the Knicks coaching staff doing? Get in the refs ear!
Maybe they are and the refs just don’t care? Seems most likely.
Hand checking was outlawed in the 90's
If there is one thing that’s obvious, is that the refs have thrown out the rule book this series. Especially for the Pacers. They are officiating this series like it’s a football game.
I love the NBA, but you always know the home team is going to get the calls in Game 3 if down 2-0, especially if the team down 2-0 is bitching about officiating.
I love the NBA, but you always know the home team is going to get the calls in Game 3 if down 2-0, especially if the team down 2-0 is bitching about officiating.
My issue is that nobody should be “getting calls”. Home team, Visiting team - it shouldn’t matter and the refs shouldn’t be calling the game a certain way. Should be called the same…all the time. The home team gets the benefit of the crowd - that’s it.
But this is also the league where the refs are in betting scandals and they have special rules for stars. So I assume that nothing is above board.
But pretty amazing performance. IF OG can't come back, obviously we're in trouble, but us so undemanned, it still took everything they had to get a win. Hell of a performance from the NYK.
But pretty amazing performance. IF OG can't come back, obviously we're in trouble, but us so undemanned, it still took everything they had to get a win. Hell of a performance from the NYK.
You can't ice out your player who is nailing everything and only score 16 points in the 4th. Ridiculous. I understand Brunson is gutting it out but that ball never moved in the 4th. Minimal passing.
Siakem gifted them a few but hart and Brunson missed 2 big ones as well that could have made that last possession a lot more manageable. Oh well.
Even severely short handed the pacers can barely beat the Knicks in their own building.
We could have used a call or 2 but it was right there for the taking and we couldn't grab a defensive rebound. Gotta make the plays at the end of the game. With this thin lineup it's just so hard. Too many mismatches when we go small and it kills us on the boards, but when we go bigger there's not enough shooting and offense. Tough winning the war when your ammo is limited. We have OG this is over in 4 or 5.
and the officiating this game was gifted to the Pacers and they barely won. But, this was a blown opportunity for the Knicks. A battered lineup going deep to the bench and a shot to win on the road. They needed to seize it because there is no guarantee they can muster a similar effort on Sunday.
and the officiating this game was gifted to the Pacers and they barely won. But, this was a blown opportunity for the Knicks. A battered lineup going deep to the bench and a shot to win on the road. They needed to seize it because there is no guarantee they can muster a similar effort on Sunday.
This is what I’m worried about. It took a crazy Dante game and the corpse of Burks playing well to keep it this close. If Brunson doesn’t bounce back and Deuce give us more, Sunday could be ugly.
and the officiating this game was gifted to the Pacers and they barely won. But, this was a blown opportunity for the Knicks. A battered lineup going deep to the bench and a shot to win on the road. They needed to seize it because there is no guarantee they can muster a similar effort on Sunday.
This is what I’m worried about. It took a crazy Dante game and the corpse of Burks playing well to keep it this close. If Brunson doesn’t bounce back and Deuce give us more, Sunday could be ugly.
Maybe OG can find a way?
I 'm worried also. And I wouldn't be surprised to not see OG the rest of this series at least.
It would be nice for Thibs to blast the refs in the press just once. I mean…every other coach does it to stick up for their stars. Just take the fine man. Play the fucking game.
Now what was the point of playing these guys now? Should’ve punted the game.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
Now what was the point of playing these guys now? Should’ve punted the game.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
Now what was the point of playing these guys now? Should’ve punted the game.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
That being said tough game. Knicks made mistakes down the stretch. Couple bad calls but ultimately can’t lay blame there. And it took an absurd shot from nembhard. If that doesnt fall looking at 3-0 series. Such is life
No matter how this series unfolds. I am so damn proud of this team and how hard they’ve battled. That being said. Fuck the pacers. Fuck Haliburton fuck Reggie miller. Go get game 4 Sunday
Both teams looked gassed the last 5 minutes and with the short turnaround Sunday afternoon it will be very interesting to see who has better legs. The Knicks are the best conditioned team in the NBA so my money is on them.
Will be interesting to see how Haliburton is. He was not the same player after he turned his ankle. They are toast if he struggles.
Burks contribution was huge tonight. This could really give him confidence and we're gonna need him again Sunday
Turner badly outplayed IHart tonight. Stein needs to be better especially on the boards of we're gonna win Sunday
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
Imagine how aroused swizzle got when they hit that parking lot 3, knowing he could come here and post about what a wasted effort it was for the Knicks to have taken the game seriously.
Both teams looked gassed the last 5 minutes and with the short turnaround Sunday afternoon it will be very interesting to see who has better legs. The Knicks are the best conditioned team in the NBA so my money is on them.
Will be interesting to see how Haliburton is. He was not the same player after he turned his ankle. They are toast if he struggles.
Burks contribution was huge tonight. This could really give him confidence and we're gonna need him again Sunday
Turner badly outplayed IHart tonight. Stein needs to be better especially on the boards of we're gonna win Sunday
Pacers emptied the clip to win that game, Knicks looked like they got gassed but at the same time Brunson missed shots he normally makes in crunch time..
Pacers will come out with some energy in game 4, but if the Knicks can withstand i could see Pacers running out of gas again
Missed FTs, missed layups, Deuce+Burk’s missed open 4th quarter looks, and fucking terrible defensive rebounding killed them in the fourth quarter.
Oh yeah and a complete travesty of officiating. The literal worst jumpball in the history of basketball and Hartenstein getting tackled on a Pacers drive were just two of the ridiculous plays.
I thought Thibs did a good job getting people rest (although I would’ve tried Precious over Hartenstein since he was doing jackshit for the most part). Normally Brunson would’ve cooked when he came back in but he just didn’t have it.
And after all of that, the Pacers needed a Nembhard miracle to win.
and look how the Knicks did, Pacers looked like they were in a 12 round fight, limping, exhausted...Knicks on the other hand walk off ready for another round..
Haliburton if he is not faking is waking up extremely sore this morning, at the endof the game he wanted nothing to do with that ball, he had nothing left to get by Divencenzo..
I think if Knicks come out with that 3rd quarter energy in game 4, Pacers i dont know how much they have left to fight back, they fought back last night, if this was at the Garden they probably dont...
with Knicks going small, Hart would stay with whoever was on the perimiter, so if Siakim was trying to post, Hartenstein took him and Hart went and took Turner...
It then allowed the Knicks to switch on the Hali/Turner pick and roll, Hartenstein though has to realize if Turner rolls he has to help, 9 times out of 10 he is not passing if he gets the ball on the roll
That’s the tough part. On the other hand, we proved we still have enough to win.
Exactly. Pretty much every playoff game has gone this way so far, last night the Pacers hit the big 3 and we went cold late. It happens, but fired up again with how hard this team fought. We’ve got every chance to take game 4 and get ready to deliver the knock out blow
scored 8 points in the last 9 min. Don’t tell me fatigue didn’t play a huge part.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
scored 8 points in the last 9 min. Don’t tell me fatigue didn’t play a huge part.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
The Knicks closer was also off last night, Brunson has a normal game Knicks win easily..
Pacers ran out of gas in the 4th as well and they are playing 9 guys
The Pacers got a very lucky 3 pointer and got the benefit
of some calls/non calls in the closing minutes. It happens. What the Knicks are doing with their injured/depleted team is nothing short of amazing. Shocked (but not shocked) that it doesn’t get discussed more in the media.
If the Pacers lost again, the focus would again be on whatever calls they felt they were screwed by. But not a peep about any of that in defense of the Knicks. It’s truly amazing how the Knicks - 50 game winner and #2 seed - are viewed as an afterthought.
I guarantee you - what Draymond Green said yesterday is what the entire basketball world thinks. The NBA, the players, the media - they are superstar whores. Example: bending over backwards to defend Embiid.
scored 8 points in the last 9 min. Don’t tell me fatigue didn’t play a huge part.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
Fatigue played a part last night but it’s kind of bullshit to say this is some kind of Thibs problem. At some point what would you like this head coach to do? They’re down to 6 guys they would actually be use if the roster weren’t decimated, and as it was he went to Burks and Sims.
I’d rather be 2 games from the ECF with a bunch of tired guys? Or out after the first round? Those are likely the options Thibs had.
scored 8 points in the last 9 min. Don’t tell me fatigue didn’t play a huge part.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
Fatigue played a part last night but it’s kind of bullshit to say this is some kind of Thibs problem. At some point what would you like this head coach to do? They’re down to 6 guys they would actually be use if the roster weren’t decimated, and as it was he went to Burks and Sims.
I’d rather be 2 games from the ECF with a bunch of tired guys? Or out after the first round? Those are likely the options Thibs had.
Botched that last point as I’m watching my son play t-ball but you get the point.
I thought the game actually changed when they brought Brunson
back in the fourth quarter. The offense was running fine through Dante in and then JB came in and was trying to do it all himself. Usually he's capable of that, but last night he was clearly hurting.
Not blaming Thibs, I'd go back to JB 10 times out of 10, but we'll need Brunson to dig deep through the pain if we're going to win this series going forward. Can't count on another Dante or Burks night like that. Although it would be nice if Deuce hit at least a couple more shots.
RE: The Pacers got a very lucky 3 pointer and got the benefit
of some calls/non calls in the closing minutes. It happens. What the Knicks are doing with their injured/depleted team is nothing short of amazing. Shocked (but not shocked) that it doesn’t get discussed more in the media.
If the Pacers lost again, the focus would again be on whatever calls they felt they were screwed by. But not a peep about any of that in defense of the Knicks. It’s truly amazing how the Knicks - 50 game winner and #2 seed - are viewed as an afterthought.
I guarantee you - what Draymond Green said yesterday is what the entire basketball world thinks. The NBA, the players, the media - they are superstar whores. Example: bending over backwards to defend Embiid.
To piggy back off this, you see the attitude of the Knicks after a loss like that they know they let one slip away but thing with this team is they use it and come back stringer the next game..
Game 5 in the sixers series they blow, game 6 they come out and take a 22 point lead..
Pacers are front runners, jf Knicks had anyrhing going last night in the 4th they win that game because the Pacers had nothing but a 3 point heave..
He's soft. He's not physical. He's not built for this.
Brunson also clearly not 100%. Missed a bunch he usually makes. He very clearly lacked quickness and explosion. As Thibs said postgame Nesmith has guarded him before and it's never looked like this. We obviously have no idea what this injury is but hopefully it's something that heels overtime as opposed to gets worse with use. Both are on the table.
Lot of small things went against us last night that probably won't carry over, but I do think they need a better plan against Siakam. I liked how they finished the game with iHart on Siakam and someone smaller on Turner. He has no post game. If he's not getting the ball down low he's not backing anyone down. OG actually would have been perfect for that assignment (like basically all other assignments but I digress).
Making a desperation three that nine times out of ten probably doesn’t go. And that was on top of Halliburton having a game he won’t likely come back with. Sometimes things just happen but it’s no indication of Pacers figuring anything out.
ESPN trying to make Aaron Nesmith’s defense into a thing
was certainly a choice. Meanwhile Brunson is missing shots he usually makes getting out of bed.
In the final three minutes…
- Deuce missed WIDE open three
- Hart missed free throw
- Missed Turner goaltend
- Back to back Pacers offensive rebounds
- DDV goaltending on shot that was NOT going in
- Brunson missed free throw
- Another Pacers offensive rebound precedes Nembhard miracle
Hartenstein grabbing just four defensive rebounds in nearly 40 minutes isn’t gonna cut it and I don’t give a shit how much attention he’s paying to Turner on the perimeter.
Feels like we let this one slip away from us. I know people will point to fatigue-& listen, I get it considering how undermanned we are with injures/Thibs has no other option but to play a shorter bench in the playoffs-but we missed some boards late, had some bad FT misses (For the love of God-and this goes back to the '90s-can we please-PLEASE-make FTs late?!?!?), some bad officiating, & a lucky 3 @ the end.
It is what it is. Still up 2-1. Win tomorrow & then close it out @ MSG...& hope that the Cavs can push the Cs & make that a long series so we get some time off.
that the emdia never mentions the Knicks injuries, never gives them credit for fighting through, all we heard wwas how Embiid was a warrior..
Guarantee if the Knicks lose this series, it will be the Knicks choked it away
The collective Pacers circle jerk for the first 10 minutes of the game was mind numbing. You would have thought the Knicks were the Washington Generals
Larger than that, the broader basketball media, some fans and even some players are being a bunch of fucking cry babies about how fired up New York fans are for our team. As the Knicks have sucked for 20 years while several small market teams have had success, I think they forgot that when it comes to basketball, any city outside NY is basically fucking Des Moines
that the emdia never mentions the Knicks injuries, never gives them credit for fighting through, all we heard wwas how Embiid was a warrior..
Guarantee if the Knicks lose this series, it will be the Knicks choked it away
The collective Pacers circle jerk for the first 10 minutes of the game was mind numbing. You would have thought the Knicks were the Washington Generals
Larger than that, the broader basketball media, some fans and even some players are being a bunch of fucking cry babies about how fired up New York fans are for our team. As the Knicks have sucked for 20 years while several small market teams have had success, I think they forgot that when it comes to basketball, any city outside NY is basically fucking Des Moines
They are going to be really mad when the Knicks add a star next to Brunson and keep this same core
is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.
No matter how conditioned they are, they can’t be playing 45 min a
game. Basketball isn’t marathon, just because they don’t collapse on the court doesn’t mean they will be effective.
And Thibs needs to say something about how they are bodying up Brunson. He lingered on the court staring at the refs the other night, did he say anything in the press conference?
Need Deuce to have a big game. Let’s win tomorrow.
is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.
When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..
Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team
RE: No matter how conditioned they are, they can’t be playing 45 min a
game. Basketball isn’t marathon, just because they don’t collapse on the court doesn’t mean they will be effective.
And Thibs needs to say something about how they are bodying up Brunson. He lingered on the court staring at the refs the other night, did he say anything in the press conference?
Need Deuce to have a big game. Let’s win tomorrow.
You realize every top player in the playoffs plays 40 to 42 minutes sometimes more if needed..This idea the Knicks are the only team to do this is ridivulous and flat out wrong
So how do we quantify the cumulative effect of all the
starters playing 40 min plus for the entire playoff run? And they’ve been playing heavy minutes for pretty much the entire regular season. Every injury was a fluke? If half the team is ineffective or compromised for the next round or remainder of this run, then what? We have nobody on the bench we can play/trust because why?
You want to laud Thibs for developing Achiuwa when he plays well out of necessity but say nothing when he doesn’t play at all otherwise.
Let’s hope they advance and have something left in the tank against the Celts.
RE: So how do we quantify the cumulative effect of all the
starters playing 40 min plus for the entire playoff run? And they’ve been playing heavy minutes for pretty much the entire regular season. Every injury was a fluke? If half the team is ineffective or compromised for the next round or remainder of this run, then what? We have nobody on the bench we can play/trust because why?
You want to laud Thibs for developing Achiuwa when he plays well out of necessity but say nothing when he doesn’t play at all otherwise.
Let’s hope they advance and have something left in the tank against the Celts.
Do you just hate thibs?
How was Randles injury a minutes issue?
How was Bojans?
How was Mitch's?
Even OG's can bappen at anytime
RE: RE: So how do we quantify the cumulative effect of all the
starters playing 40 min plus for the entire playoff run? And they’ve been playing heavy minutes for pretty much the entire regular season. Every injury was a fluke? If half the team is ineffective or compromised for the next round or remainder of this run, then what? We have nobody on the bench we can play/trust because why?
You want to laud Thibs for developing Achiuwa when he plays well out of necessity but say nothing when he doesn’t play at all otherwise.
Let’s hope they advance and have something left in the tank against the Celts.
Do you just hate thibs?
How was Randles injury a minutes issue?
How was Bojans?
How was Mitch's?
Even OG's can bappen at anytime
Yeah the OG injury is the only one that is a soft tissue wear and tear type thing but he always missed games with Toronto and came here with an EP ow injury. 2 of the 4 injuries happened back in Dec/January. Listen Thibs is what he is, an excellent coach that has brought a sustainable winning culture back here for the first time since the Riley/Van Gundy era ( no coincidence he was on Riley's bench right
next to Van Gundy). Like Giants16 always says all the stars play 40+ minutes in a close game in the playoffs. It just so happens the other series have been filled with blowouts both ways whereas every Knicks game has seemingly gone down to the final minute. Yes last night looked like the first time they were gassed but then again so did Indy and they play 9. You know why? Because this is the first time Indy has had to play 3 close playoff games in a row. Almost every other game including the first 2 of this series we've been the stronger team in the 4th qtr. Why? BECAUSE of Thibs philosophy.
Giannis, Butler and Zion didn’t play any postseason games due to injury, Dame missed games, Porzingis is missing games, Luka, Jalen, Haliburton and Donovan Mitchell are all playing through pain - and we’re just beginning the second round! And those names are off the top of my head - I’m sure I’m missing a few others. If we were playing anyone but Indy, the OG injury would’ve been the final nail in our coffin. We’ll see if we can hang in there and get him back later.
RE: So how do we quantify the cumulative effect of all the
Funny thing about the Brunson stuff last night is Maxey did the same thing on the logo three the Knicks just didn’t foul and it happened to go in
I’m sure it’ll play out more over the summer but have you heard anything new about Booker? I imagine budenholzer was hired under the assumption the big 3 will be back but it wss always going to be up to Devin to force the trade.
Funny thing about the Brunson stuff last night is Maxey did the same thing on the logo three the Knicks just didn’t foul and it happened to go in
I’m sure it’ll play out more over the summer but have you heard anything new about Booker? I imagine budenholzer was hired under the assumption the big 3 will be back but it wss always going to be up to Devin to force the trade.
Not sure they can run it back and expect different results just because of the coach. I think Booker is smart enough to see that.
Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
OG out for Game 4, Jalen not even on injury report.
Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.
When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..
Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team
Not counting on it. ESPN was jerking off Indiana this AM when I was watching No OG and Julius and they still could have won and they act like Indy deserved huge credit giving none to the Knicks
Is that he's totally a 3's & layups system, and you have 3 stars on the team who live to pull up in the mid range. So something has to give there.
They would be dumb not to trade 1 of the 3, Beal is untradeable, so you can get the most from a durant or Booker trade..
the era kf Big 3's is desd and Phoenix needs to realize this
Yeah and they literally have no assets to rebuild besides dealing those guys. Honestly if I were them I'd deal Durant. He's aging and you can still get a decent package of picks and maybe a young rotational piece for him.
I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Should’ve rested these guys up. There’s no way they’ll keep up in this battle of attrition. Major error by Thibs.
Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
RE: RE: RE: Booker has always been the perfect fit.
Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
Would gladly take him don’t get me wrong. But I think Booker is a tier above. Mitchell probably too
I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Should’ve rested these guys up. There’s no way they’ll keep up in this battle of attrition. Major error by Thibs.
I guy made a desperation three he had no business making or the Knicks may have won it. They had a very real shot at going up 3-0 in the series, it would have been dumb to just give up on trying to win.
Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
Would gladly take him don’t get me wrong. But I think Booker is a tier above. Mitchell probably too
I think if you built it right, i dont think you would necassarily need another elite creator
is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.
When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..
Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team
Not counting on it. ESPN was jerking off Indiana this AM when I was watching No OG and Julius and they still could have won and they act like Indy deserved huge credit giving none to the Knicks
Yeah, I have to agree. And it’s not even a “New York” thing…it’s a “Knicks” thing. The media was overflowing with praise for the Nets in 2018/19. I mean, they were HORRIBLE for years until they played .500 ball that season and were praised in the media for their “culture” lol. AND they could have been skewered in the media with how badly the Irving/Durant/Harden/Simmons years went…but nope.
But the Knicks are in the playoffs…again…and gained the number two seed with most of their starters injured or out for most of the season. They play the game the right way and don’t piss and moan and complain about the refs to the media. Just consummate professionals. And it’s just a cute little story with a team playing over their head. So frustrating.
This is why I find it funny when fans of opposing teams (after the hey lose) say that the NBA just wants the Knicks to win. Lol, for real? How did the NBA respond after Embiid dragged Robinson down from the floor? They started deleting videos of the play from the internet, created a puff piece about Embiid that aired before the very next game, and leaked his Bells Palsy diagnosis before that same game as well. They really liked it on for that trash bag. And then sent him to the Free Throw line 800 times in the game. But yeah, the NBA totally wants the Knicks to win 🙄
No amount of stars on this Knicks team will change the narrative.
I said it last night and I’ll say it again. Should’ve rested these guys up. There’s no way they’ll keep up in this battle of attrition. Major error by Thibs.
in two different paths here. Mitchell consistently steps up in the playoffs and Garland has been generally awful.
Paired with Mobley not taking any real leap and Jarrett Allen being probably just average and you really can't feel all that great about the Cavs moving forward .
in two different paths here. Mitchell consistently steps up in the playoffs and Garland has been generally awful.
Paired with Mobley not taking any real leap and Jarrett Allen being probably just average and you really can't feel all that great about the Cavs moving forward .
If he wasnt in cleveland id say they are trading Garland and Allen or Mobely, but his contract is almost up andbthey really dont have the assets to pull off a star trade
be above criticism until a championship is won. He still has the same faults that everyone complained about 2 years ago, but now he has Brunson here to bail him out. Also, who complains about his substitution pattern in game the most? You can’t tell me Hart at 38 min a game isn’t more effective than at 48 min. With all the stoppages, 5 min from the 9th guy off the bench can be sufficient rest for a starter.
Or let’s concentrate on blaming the bad luck with injuries, refs, the league in general and national media being biased, and the scrubbiest scrub on the opposing team getting hot at the wrong time, how’s that better discussion?
Thibs needs to give Brunson some help late in the game. He’s had a couple of bad plays at inopportune times. Can’t have him go 1 on 5 with how the Pacers are bodying him.
no matter ehat happens, if Rose and company do their job right, this will be the wordt team the Knicks have going in the playoffs in the next 5 years..
This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..
we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off
no matter ehat happens, if Rose and company do their job right, this will be the wordt team the Knicks have going in the playoffs in the next 5 years..
This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..
we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
Agree with the timeline. I don't agree with not worrying about this year. It will always stick with me that they were poised to make a run before injuries and even at that, could have had a shot if OG hadn't gotten hurt. He needs to be 100% to realistically have a shot moving forward.
At least Burks has given them some scoring off the bench. McBride is a real disappointment this series and his poor play has been a big factor.
Has Hartenstein blown his free agency with his playoff
non performance? He’s been absolutely horrendous outside of game 2 versus Philly. Opponents seem to be shooting 96% when he’s the primary defender. His rebounding has been pathetically bad this series. He’s late with help at the rim. His turnovers are comical. I’m tired of looking at him.
I think the shooting recovers on Tuesday.
I think they definitley need a bench and starters can't be expected
to all play 45 minutes a night. But, I also don't accept them being tired as an excuse. They've played with a short bench all year long by choice. This is how they have won and this is how they should be expected to continue to win this year.
The only excuse right now is OG hurt. Precious needs to step up and Burks has already far exceeded expectations.
RE: Has Hartenstein blown his free agency with his playoff
non performance? He’s been absolutely horrendous outside of game 2 versus Philly. Opponents seem to be shooting 96% when he’s the primary defender. His rebounding has been pathetically bad this series. He’s late with help at the rim. His turnovers are comical. I’m tired of looking at him.
I think the shooting recovers on Tuesday.
At this point i wouldnt waste the money, you are going to pay a lretty penny for OG, maybe extend Brunson this offseason, jf not definitely next offseason and most likely trade for a guy who is or going to be making 50 million...
You can find a center who does ehat Hartenstein does for 50% of the cost
RE: RE: they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
And yet there they were up in the 4th qtr Friday night. This team has balls and they'll show up and play a lot better Tuesday night. Thankfully they have more balls than some of their fans.
Deuce has been a disaster this series. I don't know what happened
he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
RE: RE: RE: they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
They lost all the same guys in the regular season and kept finding away...Team doesnt quit, they may lose but they arent going to quit
They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.
I’d stark Burks.
thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?
The thing that worked pre OG injury was iHart on Siakim. Let hart guard Turner. Turner doesn’t want to post you up and even if he does try to take advantage of the height advantage let him. The Pacers can’t beat you that way
RE: RE: RE: RE: they need a miracle recovery from OG in game 6 with the extra day off
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
They lost all the same guys in the regular season and kept finding away...Team doesnt quit, they may lose but they arent going to quit
im not saying they are going to quit or as a fan we dont root, but its not realistic path.
imo they are huge huge underdogs without OG to win a game.
no matter ehat happens, if Rose and company do their job right, this will be the wordt team the Knicks have going in the playoffs in the next 5 years..
This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..
we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
I feel great about the future. Let's see how these guys respond and deal with adversity. It's always a great metric from which they can draw information from.
They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.
I’d stark Burks.
thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?
The thing that worked pre OG injury was iHart on Siakim. Let hart guard Turner. Turner doesn’t want to post you up and even if he does try to take advantage of the height advantage let him. The Pacers can’t beat you that way
Problem is this lineup was getting killed on the boards. I agree though, the two big lineup almost never works, so just go small and hope to shoot your way into a win.
The small lineup may also be worth exploring some zone/trap defense with. Miami always does that and it sometimes throws the opposing team into a tailspin offensively. Without OG and a banged up brunson we have to be creative.
This loss was somewhat predictable after the huge Dante/Burks game Friday night. That was the one we had to steal, but couldn't. Let's see how they respond. I think if they lose Game 5, this is over in 6, if they win game 5 it's probably going 7.
The number of injuries this postseason has been crazy, not just for the Knicks. League has gotta figure this out because no one wants to see teams compete without their best players.
RE: Deuce has been a disaster this series. I don't know what happened
he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
That may eventually look like a bargain, but boy that's a lot of money for a player that averages 60 games per season and has missed the biggest playoff series his teams have been in (finals the year the Raptors went, and now this series).
I'm not blaming him for having the injuries. He can't control that, but the fact that they are happening and he's average at best 60 games season has to be factored into whatever deal they give him.
I'm not blaming him for having the injuries. He can't control that, but the fact that they are happening and he's average at best 60 games season has to be factored into whatever deal they give him.
I get what yiur sayin, i truthfully think his contract is already done, his agent is Leon rose's son he went to CAA to specifically get to NY
find a really good backup for him (not just 35 year old Bogs) because the way to keep him healthy may be to manage his minutes/games during the season.
find a really good backup for him (not just 35 year old Bogs) because the way to keep him healthy may be to manage his minutes/games during the season.
I agree they need to after they trade for the 2md star or even if they stick with Randle, is build up the bench back..
Most likely Hart goes back to the bench regardless of what they do..
Divencenzo could also move back to the bench if they end up trading for someone like Mitchell...Add another 3 and d wing..Possible Divencenzo and Hart are off your bench and then you can add a ciuple of vet deoth pieces
he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
How would you like OG to gut it out? He has a pulled hamstring.
RE: RE: RE: Deuce has been a disaster this series. I don't know what happened
he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
How would you like OG to gut it out? He has a pulled hamstring.
Are you saying players never play through strains and pulls? Because that's not true.
Brunson is out there on one leg, sacrificing everything. OG should find a way to play by game 6.
assuming it's not a complete rupture. You won't be 100% and the risk of re-injury is high but you can certainly do it.
Now of course we don't know how bad the pull is but OG has a reputation for not being willing to play through injuries and this season has very much added to that reputation.
assuming it's not a complete rupture. You won't be 100% and the risk of re-injury is high but you can certainly do it.
Now of course we don't know how bad the pull is but OG has a reputation for not being willing to play through injuries and this season has very much added to that reputation.
Right. To be clear, I'm not blaming him for the injury. That's not his fault. But throughout his career he's never been someone that pushes himself. That's my only point. We have other guys on this team clearly playing injured, but not him.
Maybe it's worse than we thought, and there's a partial tear or something. If that's the case I'll eat crow, but my guess is it's a strain and he just doesn't want to push it.
Should be a great 6th and 7th man with Bogi and Miles off the bench maybe Hartenstein as their big. We need a 5 you can shoot that’s the way the game is going and a stud at the 2. That’s the ideal team. Can we keep them all? And find those two? A PF Randle? Yup if he quits that ISO shit. Give em hell NYK play your ass off. But Leon has some work to do. You can’t carry 3 center with none able to shoot past 5 ft.
This forum is always full of retards who know how to buy high and sell low.the world isnt ending guys - you think this team just gave up all of a sudden?
this is truly the go all in offseason, we have talked about it the past few offseasons but Brunson will be getting that big extension either this offseason or next, Hart and divencenzo already signed, OG getting an extension, Hartenstein possibly getting paid and now Randle's deal also up in a year...
He has to decide if the team can win a championship with Randle as the 2 or does he have to go get someone...
and consider him a must re-sign at all costs. Like nygiants16 said though the contract was likely already in place before the deal was ever made.
It's only a must sign if OG can prove his durability. Otherwise, it's another Mitchell Robinson situation. I don't want to pay OG $25M+ per to be in the trainer's room.
Injuries happen, of course, but some players are made out of glass.
this is truly the go all in offseason, we have talked about it the past few offseasons but Brunson will be getting that big extension either this offseason or next, Hart and divencenzo already signed, OG getting an extension, Hartenstein possibly getting paid and now Randle's deal also up in a year...
He has to decide if the team can win a championship with Randle as the 2 or does he have to go get someone...
I know it was a small sample size but the team looked incredible for the dozen or so games Randle and OG played together. I think it could be a championship caliber team just be bringing everyone back and staying relatively healthy.
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
and consider him a must re-sign at all costs. Like nygiants16 said though the contract was likely already in place before the deal was ever made.
It's only a must sign if OG can prove his durability. Otherwise, it's another Mitchell Robinson situation. I don't want to pay OG $25M+ per to be in the trainer's room.
Injuries happen, of course, but some players are made out of glass.
I would guess there will be games played incentives and thjngs like that because if he does play he is worth 35+
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
I think if they have a 2nd star, depending on who it is, a lot of the stuff you mention are more luxuroes than actual needs..
For example back up point, if you add say Donvan Mitchell, he would basiclaly be your back up point with divencenzo coming off the bench..
RE: RE: Rose has a decision to make this offseason
this is truly the go all in offseason, we have talked about it the past few offseasons but Brunson will be getting that big extension either this offseason or next, Hart and divencenzo already signed, OG getting an extension, Hartenstein possibly getting paid and now Randle's deal also up in a year...
He has to decide if the team can win a championship with Randle as the 2 or does he have to go get someone...
I know it was a small sample size but the team looked incredible for the dozen or so games Randle and OG played together. I think it could be a championship caliber team just be bringing everyone back and staying relatively healthy.
I jist dont know if i want to give Randle 50 million, 30 sure you can live with it because you can continue to add to the depth..
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
I think if they have a 2nd star, depending on who it is, a lot of the stuff you mention are more luxuroes than actual needs..
For example back up point, if you add say Donvan Mitchell, he would basiclaly be your back up point with divencenzo coming off the bench..
True. It also helps that we have two first rounders. We could also package those two picks to trade up.
There are games he looks like a borderline All star ascending two way player. And there are games he looks like a pure chucker/high volume scorer.
Two guard is the most realistic spot to upgrade on the roster (think it will be too hard to find an impact center).....but how many guys would realistically be a major upgrade over DD? A star like Booker or Mitchell for sure......but what if we can't get them?
And you can't deny there is an almost magical chemistry between the Nova guys. The sum is certainly more than the parts.
So how many guys would realistically be an upgrade over DD?
RE: RE: RE: This team has quite a few holes to fill
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
I think if they have a 2nd star, depending on who it is, a lot of the stuff you mention are more luxuroes than actual needs..
For example back up point, if you add say Donvan Mitchell, he would basiclaly be your back up point with divencenzo coming off the bench..
True. It also helps that we have two first rounders. We could also package those two picks to trade up.
Yeah i read somewhere Knicks picks have the 12th highest value in the drsft, but the drsft is supposedly more of a depth drsft..
I wouldnt be surprised if the 2 firsts are traded in a big trade either at the drsft or during free agency
RE: The big question for me is who is Divencenzo???
There are games he looks like a borderline All star ascending two way player. And there are games he looks like a pure chucker/high volume scorer.
Two guard is the most realistic spot to upgrade on the roster (think it will be too hard to find an impact center).....but how many guys would realistically be a major upgrade over DD? A star like Booker or Mitchell for sure......but what if we can't get them?
And you can't deny there is an almost magical chemistry between the Nova guys. The sum is certainly more than the parts.
So how many guys would realistically be an upgrade over DD?
I think with divencenzo he is the guy on a championship team who can come in and get hot but you dont need him every game...You look at denver they have 2 stars and then Gordon and MPJ..Pope is a guy who plays defense and can knock down 3s...thats kind of ehat Divencenzo would be on a chmapionship team..
I thibk Booker and Mitchell are the obvious choices..
I also think George is a perfecr fit..
I also wouldnt be shocked if the Nova boys push for Bridges
i am still going with deuce to start even though he has been absolutely terrible, he was getting wide open 3s and just missing, he can get hot, especially at home...
If he continues to suck, go with Burks and see if he can knock down those open 3s..
Also after reading some stuff post game, i expect Josh Hart to come out like his hair is on fire
We've got people talking about the offseason? Seriously?
i am still going with deuce to start even though he has been absolutely terrible, he was getting wide open 3s and just missing, he can get hot, especially at home...
If he continues to suck, go with Burks and see if he can knock down those open 3s..
Also after reading some stuff post game, i expect Josh Hart to come out like his hair is on fire
That is the lineup they went to when OG was out diuring the regular season, when McBride was playing 48 minutes a night and playing out of his mind. I think it's their best best and just hope for the best defending their bigs.
i am still going with deuce to start even though he has been absolutely terrible, he was getting wide open 3s and just missing, he can get hot, especially at home...
If he continues to suck, go with Burks and see if he can knock down those open 3s..
Also after reading some stuff post game, i expect Josh Hart to come out like his hair is on fire
That is the lineup they went to when OG was out diuring the regular season, when McBride was playing 48 minutes a night and playing out of his mind. I think it's their best best and just hope for the best defending their bigs.
Defensively if you want to double Siakim you at least have 4 guys on the floor that can run around the perimiter to help get out on shooters..
But the other guy who needs to step up is Ihart, he is killing their defense inside
Denver’s the most likable great NBA team in a long time.
Jokic is awesome and not a prick, supporting cast fits like a glove, Mike Malone’s a good coach with some Knicks roots. Aside from the Murray outburst the other night, they don’t cause much trouble.
Knicks have had some shit luck with opponents’ health too
We’re missing a 3X All-Star, maybe the best wing defender in the league, maybe the best offensive rebounder in the league, and a 40% 3PT shooter with a lot of playoff experience. I just want to beat this front running Indiana squad.
Jokic is awesome and not a prick, supporting cast fits like a glove, Mike Malone’s a good coach with some Knicks roots. Aside from the Murray outburst the other night, they don’t cause much trouble.
Denver is winning it all again. That team is deep and Jokic makes being dominant look easy. The only reason the Knicks inevitable exit from the playoffs isn’t as frustrating as it would otherwise be is the knowledge that they would get destroyed by Denver in a finals series if it ever happened
RE: RE: You can play through a pulled hamstring.....
assuming it's not a complete rupture. You won't be 100% and the risk of re-injury is high but you can certainly do it.
Now of course we don't know how bad the pull is but OG has a reputation for not being willing to play through injuries and this season has very much added to that reputation.
Right. To be clear, I'm not blaming him for the injury. That's not his fault. But throughout his career he's never been someone that pushes himself. That's my only point. We have other guys on this team clearly playing injured, but not him.
Maybe it's worse than we thought, and there's a partial tear or something. If that's the case I'll eat crow, but my guess is it's a strain and he just doesn't want to push it.
haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
If AD were to ask to be traded, he would be my #1 target if I am the Knicks. Slot him into the starting lineup as the center next to Randle, OG, Divencenzo and Brunson and NY should be the favorite in the east next year.
haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
No the Lakers are talking about hiring Lebron's new podcast buddy JJ Redick. He's not going anywhere.
Borrega is also a finalist there, who they hire will really tell the story of what they are going to do, i think if it was a slam dunk that Lebron was returning, Redick would already be hired
haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
If AD were to ask to be traded, he would be my #1 target if I am the Knicks. Slot him into the starting lineup as the center next to Randle, OG, Divencenzo and Brunson and NY should be the favorite in the east next year.
Agreed, a deal of Bojan, Mitch and Deuce plus draft picks might be enough, especially if Lebron leaves
Why don't the Knicks ever wear their traditional blue jersey?
I'll sound old for this, but I really do miss a designated home and road jersey in the NBA with an option for a third alternate. The Knicks mostly wear jerseys now which they won't wear next season. There is no year over year consistency anymore.
RE: Why don't the Knicks ever wear their traditional blue jersey?
I'll sound old for this, but I really do miss a designated home and road jersey in the NBA with an option for a third alternate. The Knicks mostly wear jerseys now which they won't wear next season. There is no year over year consistency anymore.
I see the minutes police is back for the Knicks and Thibs. Criticizing them for trying to win friday night instead of punting?
Pointing out Hart playing 48 mins back to back but he hasn't gotten hurt and has played great.
Are people really suggesting he should have punted a playoff game and load manage the next 3 games? Truly insane.
Maybe the minutes of caught up to the top guys or maybe they have lost 4 of their top 8 rotation and that plays a major part?
Some weird takes.
That's the thing. I'm sure Thibs would have loved to manage minutes better this season, but they lost Randle, OG, and Mitch for a large part of the season. IHart had a bad Achilles. Only so much you can do when three rotation guys go down. And now in the playoffs they lose an additional rotation piece in Bogs.
I don't fault Thibs for any of this. He's putting his best team out there and hoping for a win. If they won Friday night (as they could have), we're 3-1 in the series going home.
but Hart was playing arounf 25 to 30 minutes a nighy with everyone healthy, Divencenzo was playing 20 to 25 minutes a night..
I am mad and i am frudtrated but its not at the team, certain players i wish were playing better but this team is beat up, they have injuries all over, how many teams could withstand injuries to their 2md best and 3rd best players and still win 50 games?
I am not saying its a throwaway year but this year really sucks with injuries and it happens but it really sucks
Not to mention Thibs going all out in the regular season means that game tomorrow night as well as a potential game 7 is at MSG, not the road which with all our injuries feels a hell of a lot better.
but Hart was playing arounf 25 to 30 minutes a nighy with everyone healthy, Divencenzo was playing 20 to 25 minutes a night..
I am mad and i am frudtrated but its not at the team, certain players i wish were playing better but this team is beat up, they have injuries all over, how many teams could withstand injuries to their 2md best and 3rd best players and still win 50 games?
I am not saying its a throwaway year but this year really sucks with injuries and it happens but it really sucks
I was listening to Bill Simmons this morning, and as everyone here knows he's usually super critical of the Knicks, but even he was like sometimes this happens to teams in the playoffs...they just get hit with injuries all at the same time. He made the point that the Knicks haven't been in many postseasons the last ten years so this one hurts even more, they're basically playing with a team of 6 NBA players right now.
wanted throw one more punch at Knicks fans before they became a title contender, thats my logic behind all the crap injuries this team has endured
Ha, meanwhile i'm sitting here stewing thinking, look what the basketball g-ds gave us for not tanking, nothing but injuries and opponents at full strength! Your perspective is better.
they may lose just from lack of bodies but they arent letting down, You dont think Josh Hart, Divencenzo and Brunson saw Haliburton pointing and laughing on the court?
You think Brunson took it lightly when Siakim pushed him as they were walking in the locker room before half or mcconnell getting in his face and talking shit?
This tram sees that shit, guaranteed they walked into that locker room pissed off, Deuce made mention they sat down as a team and talked this shit out...
Pacers are a good team but you dont kick an opponent when they are downespecially this one until you made sure they are dead...
At this point what do they want the guy to do? Play Jericho Sims big minutes...have you watched him out there?
He has no one left. You really want him to rest players for a playoff game?
He's trying to win I really don't understand the criticism. And don't try to blame the injuries on the minutes, that doesn't add him for any of those 4 guys.
RE: I am jist hoping OG can make it back for game 6
that the Knicks are going to win game 5 because of the refs...the whining by Pacer and Sixer fans has been unbearable
Oh it's easy to write Barkley's script on TNT pre-game tomorrow "da Knicks are dun, finished, too many injuries. Indy wins tonight and Thursday (he's too lazy to look at the schedule and realize they're not playing till Friday)Guaaaaaren teeeeeee it!"
and puts the hot take clowns on ESPN(with the exception of our cheerleader Perk) in their place... Link - ( New Window )
Love it. I also don't like the "tired" excuse for Game 4. This is how they've played for months.
That said, I am very worried about the rest of the series, assuming OG is out. Burks gave them some good minutes in both games in Indy. But, Precious has not done much, Sims is terrible, and McBride has been bad this series. Previously, whether they went 2 or 3 deep on the bench, they were getting production. But, the injuries have forced them deeper down the bench and the production is just not there. To me, DiVincenzo is still the key to this series and their success. If he knocks down 3s and makes those back cutes to the basket, they will be in games. If he is ice cold, like yesterday, they are in trouble.
and puts the hot take clowns on ESPN(with the exception of our cheerleader Perk) in their place... Link - ( New Window )
Love it. I also don't like the "tired" excuse for Game 4. This is how they've played for months.
That said, I am very worried about the rest of the series, assuming OG is out. Burks gave them some good minutes in both games in Indy. But, Precious has not done much, Sims is terrible, and McBride has been bad this series. Previously, whether they went 2 or 3 deep on the bench, they were getting production. But, the injuries have forced them deeper down the bench and the production is just not there. To me, DiVincenzo is still the key to this series and their success. If he knocks down 3s and makes those back cutes to the basket, they will be in games. If he is ice cold, like yesterday, they are in trouble.
Yeah with OG out I agree DD, Burks & Deuce are the key. They need 2 of them to be on as secondary scoring to win these games going forward. Its not an impossible task without OG, just a really tough one.
and puts the hot take clowns on ESPN(with the exception of our cheerleader Perk) in their place... Link - ( New Window )
Love it. I also don't like the "tired" excuse for Game 4. This is how they've played for months.
That said, I am very worried about the rest of the series, assuming OG is out. Burks gave them some good minutes in both games in Indy. But, Precious has not done much, Sims is terrible, and McBride has been bad this series. Previously, whether they went 2 or 3 deep on the bench, they were getting production. But, the injuries have forced them deeper down the bench and the production is just not there. To me, DiVincenzo is still the key to this series and their success. If he knocks down 3s and makes those back cutes to the basket, they will be in games. If he is ice cold, like yesterday, they are in trouble.
Yeah with OG out I agree DD, Burks & Deuce are the key. They need 2 of them to be on as secondary scoring to win these games going forward. Its not an impossible task without OG, just a really tough one.
In this particular series, OG is a big loss defensively. He was making plays down the stretch, creating nice transition baskets for the Knicks.
They got good looks and missed, while the Pacers hit almost everything including some tough looks. The Knicks hadn’t played an all around poor game the whole postseason, they were due for one. Hopefully it’s not a trend
They got good looks and missed, while the Pacers hit almost everything including some tough looks. The Knicks hadn’t played an all around poor game the whole postseason, they were due for one. Hopefully it’s not a trend
I agree, although the counterpoint to that is that a huge percentage of their shots were short, which is a sign of tired legs.
He was huge that Sixers series. His offense game 1 when brunson was struggling was the difference. He needs to find his shot and find it quick. He's getting beat on both ends right now by TJ McConnell.
Love it. I also don't like the "tired" excuse for Game 4. This is how they've played for months.
Not like this. They had guys playing 40 minutes some nights in the regular season, sure. But not night after night after night. And not 4-5 guys. And not 50+ minutes. And not playoff basketball with its higher intensity.
And those regular season games often came with 2 or even 3 off days before or after. Or the knowledge that you were playing the Pistons or Wizards next game and could keep minutes down then.
I saw a lot of front iron yesterday. That’s tired legs.
They got good looks and missed, while the Pacers hit almost everything including some tough looks. The Knicks hadn’t played an all around poor game the whole postseason, they were due for one. Hopefully it’s not a trend
Agreed. I think the Knicks are still capable of winning this series. But, the OG injury does make it difficult. With OG healthy, I think they would be up 3-1, at worst. With him out, and likely out the rest of this series at a minimum, they will likely require 7 games if they win and these best 3 will not be easy. They need to hit their 3s, above all else.
The Pacers are killing them because they always seem to have at least 2 guys on the floor who can hit 3s or drive. If the Knicks play up to defend the 3, they are getting killed on the drive penetrations. If they play off, the Pacers just aren't missing. Aren't they due for a crappy game now?
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think Brunson, Hart and Divencenzo as the leaders of the team are to proud to go out like that, you could see it and hear it Hart's post game comments and same with Brunsons...Even Hartensteins..
This team has always got up off the mat and after i read they had a players only meeting i am feeling a little mkre optimistic, this team has always held each other accountable...
Do they win the series? i dont know, but they aremt ging to lay down and i think Siakim and Haliburton kicking them while they are down was a mistake
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think Brunson, Hart and Divencenzo as the leaders of the team are to proud to go out like that, you could see it and hear it Hart's post game comments and same with Brunsons...Even Hartensteins..
This team has always got up off the mat and after i read they had a players only meeting i am feeling a little mkre optimistic, this team has always held each other accountable...
Do they win the series? i dont know, but they aremt ging to lay down and i think Siakim and Haliburton kicking them while they are down was a mistake
I think that's fair and I don't know about you but with each injury my intrigue for this offseason become greater and greater. I'm so excited to see what they do but I'm also very afraid of a superstar "type" 1) Because Jalen is already that guy and 2) Because I don't believe many NBA superstar personalities will fit with this culture. It's why I think I want Bridges. I'm just not sure if Brooklyn will deal with us.
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think Brunson, Hart and Divencenzo as the leaders of the team are to proud to go out like that, you could see it and hear it Hart's post game comments and same with Brunsons...Even Hartensteins..
This team has always got up off the mat and after i read they had a players only meeting i am feeling a little mkre optimistic, this team has always held each other accountable...
Do they win the series? i dont know, but they aremt ging to lay down and i think Siakim and Haliburton kicking them while they are down was a mistake
I think that's fair and I don't know about you but with each injury my intrigue for this offseason become greater and greater. I'm so excited to see what they do but I'm also very afraid of a superstar "type" 1) Because Jalen is already that guy and 2) Because I don't believe many NBA superstar personalities will fit with this culture. It's why I think I want Bridges. I'm just not sure if Brooklyn will deal with us.
I agree 100%, very excited for the offseason, think we go into next season eith championship on the mind..
I also agree about the star they add, have to be careful and make sure they fit, i do think Mitchell has that attitude needed and i agree on Bridges
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I don't think we are cooked in that I don't think a repeat of Game 4 is in our future. However, I can easily see us losing then series at this point. I just don't think it will be without a fight.
They need to do something to counter the Pacers press. This Pacers team is starting to remind me a bit of the Pitino Knicks. Shot a ton of 3s and press with their young wing players.
I love these players for leaving it all on the floor and not bitching
As a Pacers fan I see game 5 as a must win game. The Pacers can close it out in Indy game 6, but if it is Game 7 at MSG I don't think they can combat that atmosphere.
As a Pacers fan I see game 5 as a must win game. The Pacers can close it out in Indy game 6, but if it is Game 7 at MSG I don't think they can combat that atmosphere.
Important fact to remember for whoever gets game 5, 2 days off after game 5...meaning much needed rest for both teams and go absokutely balls to the wall to get game 5
about the refs like us fans are. But we are not winning if the officiating remains this one sided.
Agreed on both counts. I was just telling a colleague, I respect Thibs and the players for not blaming the officials in either game and taking full accountability that they need to play better. Period.
should be the first Woj bomb of the new league year. 26-5 with him. I think they’re gonna unlock a little more from him offensively too - you saw it in the last game he played.
RE: RE: Deuce has been getting some wide open looks
he is simply not shooting well, he has to make the Pacers pay for leaving him open, same goes for Hart, he is passing up open 3s as well, let it fly
But why is he letting this affect his defense? He hasn’t stayed in front of anyone in Indiana. That’s why Thibs yanked him out of game 3 at one point.
the poor defense has me puzzled. Could just be that he's a young player getting his first real playoff minutes (he barely played last year) and the moment is a little too big for him right now.
The way that some teams are using the injury report in the playoffs is very annoying. Guys like Haliburton and Embiid have been on the report every game even though there’s no chance they’re missing the game
Hope we have enough in the tank to send that clown home.
The annoying thing about Haliburton is, you know he has no balls, when the team is rolling he is loud and dancing and talking shit, but 4th quarter close game , he is playing hot potatoe with the ball hoping someone will bail him out
Let's see if all that trash talking starts when it's 0-0 instead of a 5-6 point lead. That’s where it starts. That’s the sign of a good man, if he can talk shit when it’s even score. Or talk sh*t when you're behind. When you're ahead, it's easy to talk.
The Celtics might have the easiest path to an NBA Finals I can ever recall. Even if we beat Indiana, we're going to go into that series @ a significant disadvantage. Fucking Boston.
And they have some right to boast…after all, they are a poor small market team. All it took was four injured Knicks starters to help them out.
They may very well win this series because we just don’t have the horses. But, boy do I want to beat these posers more than I did the sixers. Hoping the Knicks come to play tomorrow.
And again - Donte is nowhere near the pedigree that Booker is. If there a shot to get him this offseason, empty the cupboard for him.
he can flat out score and him and Banchero could be a really good 1-2 punch, he needs to be a better defender when he plays for a winner, but have suggs next to him would certainly help
But OKC made its free throws (23-24) and Mavs didn't (12-23).
Donkic missed a FT with 10 seconds left and a chance to tie. Holmgren then swished two big ones. A big who can make free throws (79% on the season) is a wonderful thing.
Id still start Deuce though..
I am also using Jefferies off the bench rather than Burks
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Id still start Deuce though..
I am also using Jefferies off the bench rather than Burks
Burks gimmie da heebie-jeebies man!
Normally you worry about the spacing with Precious on the floor, but if Indiana is going to press, and trap/blitz Brunson then that leaves plenty of space for the rest of the team. Have to trust in the other 4 guys to make it happen, and Brunson to make the correct decision as he has all postseason.
Hopefully you guys get a fair game from the refs. Carlisle is a bitch for what he did.
Normally you worry about the spacing with Precious on the floor, but if Indiana is going to press, and trap/blitz Brunson then that leaves plenty of space for the rest of the team. Have to trust in the other 4 guys to make it happen, and Brunson to make the correct decision as he has all postseason.
If Pacers start trapping Brunson like they did in the 4th of game 2, Knicks are going to destroy them
NY Giants16 I'm warming to starting Deuce too. We did it sometimes in March & April against teams that we're not as physical like Sac & GS and it worked well to get Deuce going.
That’s encouraging
NY Giants16 I'm warming to starting Deuce too. We did it sometimes in March & April against teams that we're not as physical like Sac & GS and it worked well to get Deuce going.
+1
They are definitely on the soft side.
Deuce has quietly been very disappointing vs Indy thus far. Now with OG also out, they can't afford for him to play the way he has been
This is the perfect scenario for this team... Let them pick against us and under estimate this team.
Or maybe it is the opposite. Carlisle is a bitch. Zero accountability by him with his team. All he's doing is blaming the refs. Wally and Hahn destroyed him in the post game.
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Expecting the Pacers to get some home cooking officiating tonight, especially after Carlisle's bitching.
Or maybe it is the opposite. Carlisle is a bitch. Zero accountability by him with his team. All he's doing is blaming the refs. Wally and Hahn destroyed him in the post game.
I agree picking out 78 missed calls and sending to the NBA they might not get another call their way.
Refs don't like whining either.
then Turner basically runs over Brunson and tof course dont call it
then Turner basically runs over Brunson and tof course dont call it
Yeah there was a blatant shove to iHart right in front of ref. Same situation as sixers game 3. Gonna have a ton of calls that won’t work our way. Such is the nba
I hear you. We know they won't though.
Halliburton or Cameron Payne?
They should take this game straight to the 90s. Play defense and foul as needed, but when you foul you make sure the whole crowd feels it.
4 starters are injured and it’s a make up game for the refs and the Pacers. no shot we win this game lol
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Love this team, but the slow starts are annoying AF.
4 starters are injured and it’s a make up game for the refs and the Pacers. no shot we win this game lol
You also said no shot they were beating the Sixers
yup then dissappears when it starts getting tough
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Love this team, but the slow starts are annoying AF.
4 starters are injured and it’s a make up game for the refs and the Pacers. no shot we win this game lol
You also said no shot they were beating the Sixers
Thanks Steve. We’ll see I guess.
I agree, looks like he has no idea where to even stand
Let's go get it!
Disagree. They got a few early ones but I thought the 2nd qtr was called very even.
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The foul on OG in game 2 was worse
I mean, Burks was clearly going for the ball on that foul. Hard foul? Sure. But no way a flagrant.
Then again…Siakim threw himself to the floor on that last shot he made looking for a foul call…so we know what their game is.
Also Hart can't guard Siakam. Get Precious out there
What does this even mean? Maybe I’m old and out of touch, but doesn’t corny mean unfunny? He looks a bit doofy, but this corny label is, well, corny.
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Thibodeaux should be in refs ear.
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And he's still doing it. WTF is the Knicks coaching staff doing? Get in the refs ear!
Maybe they are and the refs just don’t care? Seems most likely.
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Thibodeaux should be in refs ear.
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And he's still doing it. WTF is the Knicks coaching staff doing? Get in the refs ear!
Maybe they are and the refs just don’t care? Seems most likely.
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Thibodeaux should be in refs ear.
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And he's still doing it. WTF is the Knicks coaching staff doing? Get in the refs ear!
Maybe they are and the refs just don’t care? Seems most likely.
Hand checking was outlawed in the 90's
If there is one thing that’s obvious, is that the refs have thrown out the rule book this series. Especially for the Pacers. They are officiating this series like it’s a football game.
And yet, I’m still not confident they will overturn it.
I mean, they have to, right?
My issue is that nobody should be “getting calls”. Home team, Visiting team - it shouldn’t matter and the refs shouldn’t be calling the game a certain way. Should be called the same…all the time. The home team gets the benefit of the crowd - that’s it.
But this is also the league where the refs are in betting scandals and they have special rules for stars. So I assume that nothing is above board.
Win this shit.
That should say pacers Can't play d if you get them rotating, need to take advantage of the double
Seeet - the bbi game thread jinx to turn things around.
it was off the rim, it wasnt a goaltend
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ball wasn't going in, but in the spur of the moment the block is understandable.
it was off the rim, it wasnt a goaltend
Yup.
If I were Thibs, I’d blast Carlisle in the post game presser. But he won’t.
Yup.
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Gonna be a hard team to keep off the glass with Deuce in there instead of OG. May need more precious minutes.
Gonna be a hard team to keep off the glass with Deuce in there instead of OG. May need more precious minutes.
Deuce has to do more on offense.
The wide open 3 he missed down the stretch was massive
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Carlisle's bullshit worked. Brunson got mugged all damn game.
Gonna be a hard team to keep off the glass with Deuce in there instead of OG. May need more precious minutes.
Deuce has to do more on offense.
The wide open 3 he missed down the stretch was massive
Yeah Deuce has to be better than this if we're gonna win the series. A lot of things we needed went right for us tonight that's why this is painful.
Even severely short handed the pacers can barely beat the Knicks in their own building.
Really frustrating bro… would have been huge to go up 3-0 and rest Sunday. Ahhhhhhh
This is what I’m worried about. It took a crazy Dante game and the corpse of Burks playing well to keep it this close. If Brunson doesn’t bounce back and Deuce give us more, Sunday could be ugly.
Maybe OG can find a way?
they are going to need every single other to play big with brunson hobbling and no og.
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and the officiating this game was gifted to the Pacers and they barely won. But, this was a blown opportunity for the Knicks. A battered lineup going deep to the bench and a shot to win on the road. They needed to seize it because there is no guarantee they can muster a similar effort on Sunday.
This is what I’m worried about. It took a crazy Dante game and the corpse of Burks playing well to keep it this close. If Brunson doesn’t bounce back and Deuce give us more, Sunday could be ugly.
Maybe OG can find a way?
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Love this team, but the slow starts are annoying AF.
4 starters are injured and it’s a make up game for the refs and the Pacers. no shot we win this game lol
You also said no shot they were beating the Sixers
Thanks Steve. We’ll see I guess.
Well, Steve. Looks like I was right with game three against the sixers AND game three against the Pacers. But…thanks for the call out?
It would be nice for Thibs to blast the refs in the press just once. I mean…every other coach does it to stick up for their stars. Just take the fine man. Play the fucking game.
Because you play to win every game in the playoffs. If it was called evenly, we win this game running away.
You are so ridiculous. Go troll somewhere else.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
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Now what was the point of playing these guys now? Should’ve punted the game.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
Punting a playoff game is for pussies. These Knicks are not pussies
What? Huh? They nearly won the game...smh.
Th fact that they almost won for starters. Secondly they figured out some rotation things and some things on defense.
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Now what was the point of playing these guys now? Should’ve punted the game.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
You're a fuckin idiot. Keep dying on this hill.
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Now what was the point of playing these guys now? Should’ve punted the game.
Anyone suggesting a team should punt a game in the playoffs should be banned from watching the playoffs for good. What an asinine take
There was no way they were winning this game with their injuries and the refs. They were better off charging up for Game 4 and be ready to close out at the Garden. A smarter coach would’ve seen this coming.
Loser mentality. My God grow a pair!!
That being said tough game. Knicks made mistakes down the stretch. Couple bad calls but ultimately can’t lay blame there. And it took an absurd shot from nembhard. If that doesnt fall looking at 3-0 series. Such is life
No matter how this series unfolds. I am so damn proud of this team and how hard they’ve battled. That being said. Fuck the pacers. Fuck Haliburton fuck Reggie miller. Go get game 4 Sunday
Will be interesting to see how Haliburton is. He was not the same player after he turned his ankle. They are toast if he struggles.
Burks contribution was huge tonight. This could really give him confidence and we're gonna need him again Sunday
Turner badly outplayed IHart tonight. Stein needs to be better especially on the boards of we're gonna win Sunday
I'm sure he'll play but maybe he won't hit 7 three's in the first half next game like he has the last two.
I'm sure he'll play but maybe he won't hit 7 three's in the first half next game like he has the last two.
They emptied the clip to win tonight, but both teams looked spent by the end
Imagine how aroused swizzle got when they hit that parking lot 3, knowing he could come here and post about what a wasted effort it was for the Knicks to have taken the game seriously.
Will be interesting to see how Haliburton is. He was not the same player after he turned his ankle. They are toast if he struggles.
Burks contribution was huge tonight. This could really give him confidence and we're gonna need him again Sunday
Turner badly outplayed IHart tonight. Stein needs to be better especially on the boards of we're gonna win Sunday
Pacers emptied the clip to win that game, Knicks looked like they got gassed but at the same time Brunson missed shots he normally makes in crunch time..
Pacers will come out with some energy in game 4, but if the Knicks can withstand i could see Pacers running out of gas again
Game 3 is thr hardest gsme to get for the team up 2-0
I agree that looked really contrived
Yeah maybe the whole league can put the breaks on the plans for the TWolves championship parade
Have my wedding next month. Woulda been a nice 750$ extra
Oh yeah and a complete travesty of officiating. The literal worst jumpball in the history of basketball and Hartenstein getting tackled on a Pacers drive were just two of the ridiculous plays.
I thought Thibs did a good job getting people rest (although I would’ve tried Precious over Hartenstein since he was doing jackshit for the most part). Normally Brunson would’ve cooked when he came back in but he just didn’t have it.
And after all of that, the Pacers needed a Nembhard miracle to win.
Are you 12 years old? Seriously.
Haliburton if he is not faking is waking up extremely sore this morning, at the endof the game he wanted nothing to do with that ball, he had nothing left to get by Divencenzo..
I think if Knicks come out with that 3rd quarter energy in game 4, Pacers i dont know how much they have left to fight back, they fought back last night, if this was at the Garden they probably dont...
It then allowed the Knicks to switch on the Hali/Turner pick and roll, Hartenstein though has to realize if Turner rolls he has to help, 9 times out of 10 he is not passing if he gets the ball on the roll
Exactly. Pretty much every playoff game has gone this way so far, last night the Pacers hit the big 3 and we went cold late. It happens, but fired up again with how hard this team fought. We’ve got every chance to take game 4 and get ready to deliver the knock out blow
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
The Knicks closer was also off last night, Brunson has a normal game Knicks win easily..
Pacers ran out of gas in the 4th as well and they are playing 9 guys
If the Pacers lost again, the focus would again be on whatever calls they felt they were screwed by. But not a peep about any of that in defense of the Knicks. It’s truly amazing how the Knicks - 50 game winner and #2 seed - are viewed as an afterthought.
I guarantee you - what Draymond Green said yesterday is what the entire basketball world thinks. The NBA, the players, the media - they are superstar whores. Example: bending over backwards to defend Embiid.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
Fatigue played a part last night but it’s kind of bullshit to say this is some kind of Thibs problem. At some point what would you like this head coach to do? They’re down to 6 guys they would actually be use if the roster weren’t decimated, and as it was he went to Burks and Sims.
I’d rather be 2 games from the ECF with a bunch of tired guys? Or out after the first round? Those are likely the options Thibs had.
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scored 8 points in the last 9 min. Don’t tell me fatigue didn’t play a huge part.
At some point, all the minutes start to take their toll.
On the post game after game 2, Shaq and Barkley were saying exactly that. Its happened to Thibs’ teams in the past.
Now, with all the injuries, it’s taken their toll.
That being said, they’ve got a good chance Sun, and there’s a shot OG gives it a go Tue at the Garden.
Fatigue played a part last night but it’s kind of bullshit to say this is some kind of Thibs problem. At some point what would you like this head coach to do? They’re down to 6 guys they would actually be use if the roster weren’t decimated, and as it was he went to Burks and Sims.
I’d rather be 2 games from the ECF with a bunch of tired guys? Or out after the first round? Those are likely the options Thibs had.
Botched that last point as I’m watching my son play t-ball but you get the point.
Not blaming Thibs, I'd go back to JB 10 times out of 10, but we'll need Brunson to dig deep through the pain if we're going to win this series going forward. Can't count on another Dante or Burks night like that. Although it would be nice if Deuce hit at least a couple more shots.
If the Pacers lost again, the focus would again be on whatever calls they felt they were screwed by. But not a peep about any of that in defense of the Knicks. It’s truly amazing how the Knicks - 50 game winner and #2 seed - are viewed as an afterthought.
I guarantee you - what Draymond Green said yesterday is what the entire basketball world thinks. The NBA, the players, the media - they are superstar whores. Example: bending over backwards to defend Embiid.
To piggy back off this, you see the attitude of the Knicks after a loss like that they know they let one slip away but thing with this team is they use it and come back stringer the next game..
Game 5 in the sixers series they blow, game 6 they come out and take a 22 point lead..
Pacers are front runners, jf Knicks had anyrhing going last night in the 4th they win that game because the Pacers had nothing but a 3 point heave..
Brunson also clearly not 100%. Missed a bunch he usually makes. He very clearly lacked quickness and explosion. As Thibs said postgame Nesmith has guarded him before and it's never looked like this. We obviously have no idea what this injury is but hopefully it's something that heels overtime as opposed to gets worse with use. Both are on the table.
Lot of small things went against us last night that probably won't carry over, but I do think they need a better plan against Siakam. I liked how they finished the game with iHart on Siakam and someone smaller on Turner. He has no post game. If he's not getting the ball down low he's not backing anyone down. OG actually would have been perfect for that assignment (like basically all other assignments but I digress).
Guarantee if the Knicks lose this series, it will be the Knicks choked it away
In the final three minutes…
- Deuce missed WIDE open three
- Hart missed free throw
- Missed Turner goaltend
- Back to back Pacers offensive rebounds
- DDV goaltending on shot that was NOT going in
- Brunson missed free throw
- Another Pacers offensive rebound precedes Nembhard miracle
Hartenstein grabbing just four defensive rebounds in nearly 40 minutes isn’t gonna cut it and I don’t give a shit how much attention he’s paying to Turner on the perimeter.
It is what it is. Still up 2-1. Win tomorrow & then close it out @ MSG...& hope that the Cavs can push the Cs & make that a long series so we get some time off.
Guarantee if the Knicks lose this series, it will be the Knicks choked it away
The collective Pacers circle jerk for the first 10 minutes of the game was mind numbing. You would have thought the Knicks were the Washington Generals
Larger than that, the broader basketball media, some fans and even some players are being a bunch of fucking cry babies about how fired up New York fans are for our team. As the Knicks have sucked for 20 years while several small market teams have had success, I think they forgot that when it comes to basketball, any city outside NY is basically fucking Des Moines
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that the emdia never mentions the Knicks injuries, never gives them credit for fighting through, all we heard wwas how Embiid was a warrior..
Guarantee if the Knicks lose this series, it will be the Knicks choked it away
The collective Pacers circle jerk for the first 10 minutes of the game was mind numbing. You would have thought the Knicks were the Washington Generals
Larger than that, the broader basketball media, some fans and even some players are being a bunch of fucking cry babies about how fired up New York fans are for our team. As the Knicks have sucked for 20 years while several small market teams have had success, I think they forgot that when it comes to basketball, any city outside NY is basically fucking Des Moines
They are going to be really mad when the Knicks add a star next to Brunson and keep this same core
And Thibs needs to say something about how they are bodying up Brunson. He lingered on the court staring at the refs the other night, did he say anything in the press conference?
Need Deuce to have a big game. Let’s win tomorrow.
When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..
Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team
And Thibs needs to say something about how they are bodying up Brunson. He lingered on the court staring at the refs the other night, did he say anything in the press conference?
Need Deuce to have a big game. Let’s win tomorrow.
You realize every top player in the playoffs plays 40 to 42 minutes sometimes more if needed..This idea the Knicks are the only team to do this is ridivulous and flat out wrong
You want to laud Thibs for developing Achiuwa when he plays well out of necessity but say nothing when he doesn’t play at all otherwise.
Let’s hope they advance and have something left in the tank against the Celts.
You want to laud Thibs for developing Achiuwa when he plays well out of necessity but say nothing when he doesn’t play at all otherwise.
Let’s hope they advance and have something left in the tank against the Celts.
Do you just hate thibs?
How was Randles injury a minutes issue?
How was Bojans?
How was Mitch's?
Even OG's can bappen at anytime
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starters playing 40 min plus for the entire playoff run? And they’ve been playing heavy minutes for pretty much the entire regular season. Every injury was a fluke? If half the team is ineffective or compromised for the next round or remainder of this run, then what? We have nobody on the bench we can play/trust because why?
You want to laud Thibs for developing Achiuwa when he plays well out of necessity but say nothing when he doesn’t play at all otherwise.
Let’s hope they advance and have something left in the tank against the Celts.
Do you just hate thibs?
How was Randles injury a minutes issue?
How was Bojans?
How was Mitch's?
Even OG's can bappen at anytime
Yeah the OG injury is the only one that is a soft tissue wear and tear type thing but he always missed games with Toronto and came here with an EP ow injury. 2 of the 4 injuries happened back in Dec/January. Listen Thibs is what he is, an excellent coach that has brought a sustainable winning culture back here for the first time since the Riley/Van Gundy era ( no coincidence he was on Riley's bench right
next to Van Gundy). Like Giants16 always says all the stars play 40+ minutes in a close game in the playoffs. It just so happens the other series have been filled with blowouts both ways whereas every Knicks game has seemingly gone down to the final minute. Yes last night looked like the first time they were gassed but then again so did Indy and they play 9. You know why? Because this is the first time Indy has had to play 3 close playoff games in a row. Almost every other game including the first 2 of this series we've been the stronger team in the 4th qtr. Why? BECAUSE of Thibs philosophy.
We could have a full tank and still lose to the Celtics due to a talent gap.
I’m sure it’ll play out more over the summer but have you heard anything new about Booker? I imagine budenholzer was hired under the assumption the big 3 will be back but it wss always going to be up to Devin to force the trade.
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Funny thing about the Brunson stuff last night is Maxey did the same thing on the logo three the Knicks just didn’t foul and it happened to go in
I’m sure it’ll play out more over the summer but have you heard anything new about Booker? I imagine budenholzer was hired under the assumption the big 3 will be back but it wss always going to be up to Devin to force the trade.
Not sure they can run it back and expect different results just because of the coach. I think Booker is smart enough to see that.
Not sure yet if he gets traded
Nesmith is also questionable with a shoulder injury
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
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is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.
When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..
Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team
Not counting on it. ESPN was jerking off Indiana this AM when I was watching No OG and Julius and they still could have won and they act like Indy deserved huge credit giving none to the Knicks
They would be dumb not to trade 1 of the 3, Beal is untradeable, so you can get the most from a durant or Booker trade..
the era kf Big 3's is desd and Phoenix needs to realize this
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Is that he's totally a 3's & layups system, and you have 3 stars on the team who live to pull up in the mid range. So something has to give there.
They would be dumb not to trade 1 of the 3, Beal is untradeable, so you can get the most from a durant or Booker trade..
the era kf Big 3's is desd and Phoenix needs to realize this
Yeah and they literally have no assets to rebuild besides dealing those guys. Honestly if I were them I'd deal Durant. He's aging and you can still get a decent package of picks and maybe a young rotational piece for him.
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Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
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Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
Would gladly take him don’t get me wrong. But I think Booker is a tier above. Mitchell probably too
I guy made a desperation three he had no business making or the Knicks may have won it. They had a very real shot at going up 3-0 in the series, it would have been dumb to just give up on trying to win.
Randle would be traded in that sitatuation..
You have 2 elite 3 and d wings both can create a little bit when needed..
Divencenzo at the 2 is another elite shooter..
Complete spacing for Brunson to work..
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Good thing about Bridges is he’s never missed a game - that’s important with OG playing 50-60 games per year. Mixed feelings on Mitchell but he’s obviously an upgrade.
Bridges is obviously a seamless fit, i think the cost will be higher than the players worth but the fit is perfect..
I have gone back and forth on Mitchell but if he is out there, go and grt him, no more playing around..
The guy i still would love is Paul George..
I’m not sure if Bridges offers enough self creation
Would gladly take him don’t get me wrong. But I think Booker is a tier above. Mitchell probably too
I think if you built it right, i dont think you would necassarily need another elite creator
They need another big, hopefully they can draft someone with potential that can back up Randle and maybe some minutes at center if needed
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is even more noticeable now that the Knicks are winning. They deserved to be clowned for most of the past 20 years, but there should be a shift happening now and it’s a little, um, slow to develop.
When the Knicks add Donovan Mitchell in the offseason or another star, then the media will start to change their tune a little bit..
Right now they view the Knicks aals a try hard team
Not counting on it. ESPN was jerking off Indiana this AM when I was watching No OG and Julius and they still could have won and they act like Indy deserved huge credit giving none to the Knicks
Yeah, I have to agree. And it’s not even a “New York” thing…it’s a “Knicks” thing. The media was overflowing with praise for the Nets in 2018/19. I mean, they were HORRIBLE for years until they played .500 ball that season and were praised in the media for their “culture” lol. AND they could have been skewered in the media with how badly the Irving/Durant/Harden/Simmons years went…but nope.
But the Knicks are in the playoffs…again…and gained the number two seed with most of their starters injured or out for most of the season. They play the game the right way and don’t piss and moan and complain about the refs to the media. Just consummate professionals. And it’s just a cute little story with a team playing over their head. So frustrating.
This is why I find it funny when fans of opposing teams (after the hey lose) say that the NBA just wants the Knicks to win. Lol, for real? How did the NBA respond after Embiid dragged Robinson down from the floor? They started deleting videos of the play from the internet, created a puff piece about Embiid that aired before the very next game, and leaked his Bells Palsy diagnosis before that same game as well. They really liked it on for that trash bag. And then sent him to the Free Throw line 800 times in the game. But yeah, the NBA totally wants the Knicks to win 🙄
No amount of stars on this Knicks team will change the narrative.
Just go away
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played 38 minutes a game in the regilar season, playing 42 right now in thr playoffs but no one is questioning Jason Kidd..
Because they still play 4 off the bench.
They play 8, Exum played 5 minutes and still played 3 starters 40 minutes
Paired with Mobley not taking any real leap and Jarrett Allen being probably just average and you really can't feel all that great about the Cavs moving forward .
Paired with Mobley not taking any real leap and Jarrett Allen being probably just average and you really can't feel all that great about the Cavs moving forward .
If he wasnt in cleveland id say they are trading Garland and Allen or Mobely, but his contract is almost up andbthey really dont have the assets to pull off a star trade
Or let’s concentrate on blaming the bad luck with injuries, refs, the league in general and national media being biased, and the scrubbiest scrub on the opposing team getting hot at the wrong time, how’s that better discussion?
Thibs needs to give Brunson some help late in the game. He’s had a couple of bad plays at inopportune times. Can’t have him go 1 on 5 with how the Pacers are bodying him.
Not just those two, but Ben Taylor and Jaclyn Goble (of Houston Rockets lose fame) as well. This is going to be a disaster for the Knicks.
The league really took Carlisle's comments to heart.
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If we thought Game 3 officiating was horrendous this will be a disaster. I hope Thibs finally takes one for the team and calls out this garbage.
Not just those two, but Ben Taylor and Jaclyn Goble (of Houston Rockets lose fame) as well. This is going to be a disaster for the Knicks.
The league really took Carlisle's comments to heart.
Goble is only the alternate. Now if he were in replay it would be the perfect storm of league favoring Indy.
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If we thought Game 3 officiating was horrendous this will be a disaster. I hope Thibs finally takes one for the team and calls out this garbage.
Not just those two, but Ben Taylor and Jaclyn Goble (of Houston Rockets lose fame) as well. This is going to be a disaster for the Knicks.
The league really took Carlisle's comments to heart.
Goble is only the alternate. Now if he were in replay it would be the perfect storm of league favoring Indy.
You're right, but still pretty awful.
Good idea. Like when coaches bury the tape from a bad game.
This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..
we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
we did brunch
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..
we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
At least Burks has given them some scoring off the bench. McBride is a real disappointment this series and his poor play has been a big factor.
I think the shooting recovers on Tuesday.
The only excuse right now is OG hurt. Precious needs to step up and Burks has already far exceeded expectations.
I think the shooting recovers on Tuesday.
At this point i wouldnt waste the money, you are going to pay a lretty penny for OG, maybe extend Brunson this offseason, jf not definitely next offseason and most likely trade for a guy who is or going to be making 50 million...
You can find a center who does ehat Hartenstein does for 50% of the cost
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and win game 6/7.
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
I’d stark Burks.
I’d stark Burks.
thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?
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and win game 6/7.
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
And yet there they were up in the 4th qtr Friday night. This team has balls and they'll show up and play a lot better Tuesday night. Thankfully they have more balls than some of their fans.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
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and win game 6/7.
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
They lost all the same guys in the regular season and kept finding away...Team doesnt quit, they may lose but they arent going to quit
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They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.
I’d stark Burks.
thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?
The thing that worked pre OG injury was iHart on Siakim. Let hart guard Turner. Turner doesn’t want to post you up and even if he does try to take advantage of the height advantage let him. The Pacers can’t beat you that way
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and win game 6/7.
thats the most realistic path to a series victory.
i dont see any other way.
you cant see a team that has gotten off the mat every time they were left for dead coming back in game 5 which will be at home?
those teams were different, they had more people/talent.
you can only lose so much. this is math.
you can lose 1, you can lose 2, you can lose 3 guys. you cant lose 4 or 5 guys.
they have lost 50% of their rotation minutes.
They lost all the same guys in the regular season and kept finding away...Team doesnt quit, they may lose but they arent going to quit
im not saying they are going to quit or as a fan we dont root, but its not realistic path.
imo they are huge huge underdogs without OG to win a game.
they are sub 500 on the season without OG.
This team is built to get a championship in the next 5 years, they have the foundation, forget todays result, it doesnt even matter ehat happens in these playoffs, this team is built for the future..
we cant lose sight of that even when the media is going to kill this team..
I feel great about the future. Let's see how these guys respond and deal with adversity. It's always a great metric from which they can draw information from.
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They got good looks they didn’t fall. Burks may have found a groove. Need to ditch the two big lineup.
I’d stark Burks.
thibs has a big challenge, how can solve the siakam matchup without killing the offense?
The thing that worked pre OG injury was iHart on Siakim. Let hart guard Turner. Turner doesn’t want to post you up and even if he does try to take advantage of the height advantage let him. The Pacers can’t beat you that way
Problem is this lineup was getting killed on the boards. I agree though, the two big lineup almost never works, so just go small and hope to shoot your way into a win.
The small lineup may also be worth exploring some zone/trap defense with. Miami always does that and it sometimes throws the opposing team into a tailspin offensively. Without OG and a banged up brunson we have to be creative.
This loss was somewhat predictable after the huge Dante/Burks game Friday night. That was the one we had to steal, but couldn't. Let's see how they respond. I think if they lose Game 5, this is over in 6, if they win game 5 it's probably going 7.
The number of injuries this postseason has been crazy, not just for the Knicks. League has gotta figure this out because no one wants to see teams compete without their best players.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
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he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
That may eventually look like a bargain, but boy that's a lot of money for a player that averages 60 games per season and has missed the biggest playoff series his teams have been in (finals the year the Raptors went, and now this series).
I'm not blaming him for having the injuries. He can't control that, but the fact that they are happening and he's average at best 60 games season has to be factored into whatever deal they give him.
‘Well, Knicks got blown out this afternoon.’-me.
‘It is sports. Why do you care so much?’-mother in law.
(Anger rising & wife noticing it.)
‘Mom, did I tell you about Claire’s new crush?’-wife.
‘Well, Knicks got blown out this afternoon.’-me.
‘It is sports. Why do you care so much?’-mother in law.
(Anger rising & wife noticing it.)
‘Mom, did I tell you about Claire’s new crush?’-wife.
that annoys me to no end when someone who doesmt care about sports, says it is only sports
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he had an appendectomy
I'm not blaming him for having the injuries. He can't control that, but the fact that they are happening and he's average at best 60 games season has to be factored into whatever deal they give him.
I get what yiur sayin, i truthfully think his contract is already done, his agent is Leon rose's son he went to CAA to specifically get to NY
I agree they need to after they trade for the 2md star or even if they stick with Randle, is build up the bench back..
Most likely Hart goes back to the bench regardless of what they do..
Divencenzo could also move back to the bench if they end up trading for someone like Mitchell...Add another 3 and d wing..Possible Divencenzo and Hart are off your bench and then you can add a ciuple of vet deoth pieces
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he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
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he was playing with such poise and confidence against the 76ers and now it's like he's a rookie again. With him playing poorly and brunson hurt, we are struggling at the PG position.
I know they have no choice but to resign OG (given what we gave up for him and the market) but is this really a guy you give a huge contract to? He seems to always be injured. Brunson is literally playing on one leg and OG can't gut it out?
If they can't get another star this offseason then depth is key. We need a true backup PG, a backup PF, a backup SF (if Bogs gets traded), and another bench shooter since we can't really count on Deuce.
I think OG signs 5 years 185, which will look like a bargain in a couple of yesrs becaise of the new tv rights deal..
The key to the offseason is going out getting the star to pair with Brunson...
You got a core and an idnetity, make sure that star fits that..
How would you like OG to gut it out? He has a pulled hamstring.
Are you saying players never play through strains and pulls? Because that's not true.
Brunson is out there on one leg, sacrificing everything. OG should find a way to play by game 6.
Dw, he's referring to me,
Now of course we don't know how bad the pull is but OG has a reputation for not being willing to play through injuries and this season has very much added to that reputation.
Now of course we don't know how bad the pull is but OG has a reputation for not being willing to play through injuries and this season has very much added to that reputation.
Right. To be clear, I'm not blaming him for the injury. That's not his fault. But throughout his career he's never been someone that pushes himself. That's my only point. We have other guys on this team clearly playing injured, but not him.
Maybe it's worse than we thought, and there's a partial tear or something. If that's the case I'll eat crow, but my guess is it's a strain and he just doesn't want to push it.
He has to decide if the team can win a championship with Randle as the 2 or does he have to go get someone...
It's only a must sign if OG can prove his durability. Otherwise, it's another Mitchell Robinson situation. I don't want to pay OG $25M+ per to be in the trainer's room.
Injuries happen, of course, but some players are made out of glass.
He has to decide if the team can win a championship with Randle as the 2 or does he have to go get someone...
I know it was a small sample size but the team looked incredible for the dozen or so games Randle and OG played together. I think it could be a championship caliber team just be bringing everyone back and staying relatively healthy.
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
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and consider him a must re-sign at all costs. Like nygiants16 said though the contract was likely already in place before the deal was ever made.
It's only a must sign if OG can prove his durability. Otherwise, it's another Mitchell Robinson situation. I don't want to pay OG $25M+ per to be in the trainer's room.
Injuries happen, of course, but some players are made out of glass.
I would guess there will be games played incentives and thjngs like that because if he does play he is worth 35+
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
I think if they have a 2nd star, depending on who it is, a lot of the stuff you mention are more luxuroes than actual needs..
For example back up point, if you add say Donvan Mitchell, he would basiclaly be your back up point with divencenzo coming off the bench..
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this is truly the go all in offseason, we have talked about it the past few offseasons but Brunson will be getting that big extension either this offseason or next, Hart and divencenzo already signed, OG getting an extension, Hartenstein possibly getting paid and now Randle's deal also up in a year...
He has to decide if the team can win a championship with Randle as the 2 or does he have to go get someone...
I know it was a small sample size but the team looked incredible for the dozen or so games Randle and OG played together. I think it could be a championship caliber team just be bringing everyone back and staying relatively healthy.
I jist dont know if i want to give Randle 50 million, 30 sure you can live with it because you can continue to add to the depth..
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- A stretch-5 that can shoot behind the arc
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
I think if they have a 2nd star, depending on who it is, a lot of the stuff you mention are more luxuroes than actual needs..
For example back up point, if you add say Donvan Mitchell, he would basiclaly be your back up point with divencenzo coming off the bench..
True. It also helps that we have two first rounders. We could also package those two picks to trade up.
Two guard is the most realistic spot to upgrade on the roster (think it will be too hard to find an impact center).....but how many guys would realistically be a major upgrade over DD? A star like Booker or Mitchell for sure......but what if we can't get them?
And you can't deny there is an almost magical chemistry between the Nova guys. The sum is certainly more than the parts.
So how many guys would realistically be an upgrade over DD?
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- A stretch-5 that can shoot behind the arc
- A rim-protector if we move on from Robinson, which we should
- A backup ball-handling, pass-first PG, preferably one with size. You're seeing how well we're doing with Brunson hobbled.
We have to rely on a combo G like Deuce and a 2 in Burks.
- A sharpshooter if we move on from Bojan
I think if they have a 2nd star, depending on who it is, a lot of the stuff you mention are more luxuroes than actual needs..
For example back up point, if you add say Donvan Mitchell, he would basiclaly be your back up point with divencenzo coming off the bench..
True. It also helps that we have two first rounders. We could also package those two picks to trade up.
Yeah i read somewhere Knicks picks have the 12th highest value in the drsft, but the drsft is supposedly more of a depth drsft..
I wouldnt be surprised if the 2 firsts are traded in a big trade either at the drsft or during free agency
Two guard is the most realistic spot to upgrade on the roster (think it will be too hard to find an impact center).....but how many guys would realistically be a major upgrade over DD? A star like Booker or Mitchell for sure......but what if we can't get them?
And you can't deny there is an almost magical chemistry between the Nova guys. The sum is certainly more than the parts.
So how many guys would realistically be an upgrade over DD?
I think with divencenzo he is the guy on a championship team who can come in and get hot but you dont need him every game...You look at denver they have 2 stars and then Gordon and MPJ..Pope is a guy who plays defense and can knock down 3s...thats kind of ehat Divencenzo would be on a chmapionship team..
I thibk Booker and Mitchell are the obvious choices..
I also think George is a perfecr fit..
I also wouldnt be shocked if the Nova boys push for Bridges
If he continues to suck, go with Burks and see if he can knock down those open 3s..
Also after reading some stuff post game, i expect Josh Hart to come out like his hair is on fire
They'll be plenty of time to talk offseason. The Knicks are winning this series.
They'll be plenty of time to talk offseason. The Knicks are winning this series.
Its not offseason talk because we think its over, its just offseason talk lol..
Twolves on the brink of 2 straight blowoutd at home
If he continues to suck, go with Burks and see if he can knock down those open 3s..
Also after reading some stuff post game, i expect Josh Hart to come out like his hair is on fire
That is the lineup they went to when OG was out diuring the regular season, when McBride was playing 48 minutes a night and playing out of his mind. I think it's their best best and just hope for the best defending their bigs.
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i am still going with deuce to start even though he has been absolutely terrible, he was getting wide open 3s and just missing, he can get hot, especially at home...
If he continues to suck, go with Burks and see if he can knock down those open 3s..
Also after reading some stuff post game, i expect Josh Hart to come out like his hair is on fire
That is the lineup they went to when OG was out diuring the regular season, when McBride was playing 48 minutes a night and playing out of his mind. I think it's their best best and just hope for the best defending their bigs.
Defensively if you want to double Siakim you at least have 4 guys on the floor that can run around the perimiter to help get out on shooters..
But the other guy who needs to step up is Ihart, he is killing their defense inside
We’re missing our second and third best player now. Just once I want to have a postseason where we play multiple teams missing starters
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assuming it's not a complete rupture. You won't be 100% and the risk of re-injury is high but you can certainly do it.
Now of course we don't know how bad the pull is but OG has a reputation for not being willing to play through injuries and this season has very much added to that reputation.
Right. To be clear, I'm not blaming him for the injury. That's not his fault. But throughout his career he's never been someone that pushes himself. That's my only point. We have other guys on this team clearly playing injured, but not him.
Maybe it's worse than we thought, and there's a partial tear or something. If that's the case I'll eat crow, but my guess is it's a strain and he just doesn't want to push it.
Medical ignorance on display.
He seems like he has laker written all over him
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haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
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haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
No the Lakers are talking about hiring Lebron's new podcast buddy JJ Redick. He's not going anywhere.
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haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
If AD were to ask to be traded, he would be my #1 target if I am the Knicks. Slot him into the starting lineup as the center next to Randle, OG, Divencenzo and Brunson and NY should be the favorite in the east next year.
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haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
If AD becomes available Knicks should be all over that. He’d be the perfect stretch 5 for this team
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haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
No the Lakers are talking about hiring Lebron's new podcast buddy JJ Redick. He's not going anywhere.
Borrega is also a finalist there, who they hire will really tell the story of what they are going to do, i think if it was a slam dunk that Lebron was returning, Redick would already be hired
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haha i am half kidding, Woj saying the Hawks could pursue Young trades...
He seems like he has laker written all over him
I would handicap it as Spurs, Nets then Lakers...
I jist have this gut feeling that Lebron is leaving and then AD will ask to be traded and the Lakers are going to blow it up...
If AD were to ask to be traded, he would be my #1 target if I am the Knicks. Slot him into the starting lineup as the center next to Randle, OG, Divencenzo and Brunson and NY should be the favorite in the east next year.
Agreed, a deal of Bojan, Mitch and Deuce plus draft picks might be enough, especially if Lebron leaves
More jerseys = more money
Pointing out Hart playing 48 mins back to back but he hasn't gotten hurt and has played great.
Are people really suggesting he should have punted a playoff game and load manage the next 3 games? Truly insane.
Maybe the minutes of caught up to the top guys or maybe they have lost 4 of their top 8 rotation and that plays a major part?
Some weird takes.
Pointing out Hart playing 48 mins back to back but he hasn't gotten hurt and has played great.
Are people really suggesting he should have punted a playoff game and load manage the next 3 games? Truly insane.
Maybe the minutes of caught up to the top guys or maybe they have lost 4 of their top 8 rotation and that plays a major part?
Some weird takes.
That's the thing. I'm sure Thibs would have loved to manage minutes better this season, but they lost Randle, OG, and Mitch for a large part of the season. IHart had a bad Achilles. Only so much you can do when three rotation guys go down. And now in the playoffs they lose an additional rotation piece in Bogs.
I don't fault Thibs for any of this. He's putting his best team out there and hoping for a win. If they won Friday night (as they could have), we're 3-1 in the series going home.
I am mad and i am frudtrated but its not at the team, certain players i wish were playing better but this team is beat up, they have injuries all over, how many teams could withstand injuries to their 2md best and 3rd best players and still win 50 games?
I am not saying its a throwaway year but this year really sucks with injuries and it happens but it really sucks
I am mad and i am frudtrated but its not at the team, certain players i wish were playing better but this team is beat up, they have injuries all over, how many teams could withstand injuries to their 2md best and 3rd best players and still win 50 games?
I am not saying its a throwaway year but this year really sucks with injuries and it happens but it really sucks
I was listening to Bill Simmons this morning, and as everyone here knows he's usually super critical of the Knicks, but even he was like sometimes this happens to teams in the playoffs...they just get hit with injuries all at the same time. He made the point that the Knicks haven't been in many postseasons the last ten years so this one hurts even more, they're basically playing with a team of 6 NBA players right now.
Ha, meanwhile i'm sitting here stewing thinking, look what the basketball g-ds gave us for not tanking, nothing but injuries and opponents at full strength! Your perspective is better.
Pointing out Hart playing 48 mins back to back but he hasn't gotten hurt and has played great.
Are people really suggesting he should have punted a playoff game and load manage the next 3 games? Truly insane.
Maybe the minutes of caught up to the top guys or maybe they have lost 4 of their top 8 rotation and that plays a major part?
Some weird takes.
They could have punted Friday and still lost by 30 yesterday too.
You think Brunson took it lightly when Siakim pushed him as they were walking in the locker room before half or mcconnell getting in his face and talking shit?
This tram sees that shit, guaranteed they walked into that locker room pissed off, Deuce made mention they sat down as a team and talked this shit out...
Pacers are a good team but you dont kick an opponent when they are downespecially this one until you made sure they are dead...
He has no one left. You really want him to rest players for a playoff game?
He's trying to win I really don't understand the criticism. And don't try to blame the injuries on the minutes, that doesn't add him for any of those 4 guys.
I hope so too but it sounds doubtful. He hasn't even starting running yet and hamstrings are tough.
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Oh it's easy to write Barkley's script on TNT pre-game tomorrow "da Knicks are dun, finished, too many injuries. Indy wins tonight and Thursday (he's too lazy to look at the schedule and realize they're not playing till Friday)Guaaaaaren teeeeeee it!"
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I'm all in for it, the Pacers won game 3 because of the officials so they owe use one.
That said, I am very worried about the rest of the series, assuming OG is out. Burks gave them some good minutes in both games in Indy. But, Precious has not done much, Sims is terrible, and McBride has been bad this series. Previously, whether they went 2 or 3 deep on the bench, they were getting production. But, the injuries have forced them deeper down the bench and the production is just not there. To me, DiVincenzo is still the key to this series and their success. If he knocks down 3s and makes those back cutes to the basket, they will be in games. If he is ice cold, like yesterday, they are in trouble.
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Love it. I also don't like the "tired" excuse for Game 4. This is how they've played for months.
That said, I am very worried about the rest of the series, assuming OG is out. Burks gave them some good minutes in both games in Indy. But, Precious has not done much, Sims is terrible, and McBride has been bad this series. Previously, whether they went 2 or 3 deep on the bench, they were getting production. But, the injuries have forced them deeper down the bench and the production is just not there. To me, DiVincenzo is still the key to this series and their success. If he knocks down 3s and makes those back cutes to the basket, they will be in games. If he is ice cold, like yesterday, they are in trouble.
Yeah with OG out I agree DD, Burks & Deuce are the key. They need 2 of them to be on as secondary scoring to win these games going forward. Its not an impossible task without OG, just a really tough one.
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Love it. I also don't like the "tired" excuse for Game 4. This is how they've played for months.
That said, I am very worried about the rest of the series, assuming OG is out. Burks gave them some good minutes in both games in Indy. But, Precious has not done much, Sims is terrible, and McBride has been bad this series. Previously, whether they went 2 or 3 deep on the bench, they were getting production. But, the injuries have forced them deeper down the bench and the production is just not there. To me, DiVincenzo is still the key to this series and their success. If he knocks down 3s and makes those back cutes to the basket, they will be in games. If he is ice cold, like yesterday, they are in trouble.
Yeah with OG out I agree DD, Burks & Deuce are the key. They need 2 of them to be on as secondary scoring to win these games going forward. Its not an impossible task without OG, just a really tough one.
I agree, although the counterpoint to that is that a huge percentage of their shots were short, which is a sign of tired legs.
Not like this. They had guys playing 40 minutes some nights in the regular season, sure. But not night after night after night. And not 4-5 guys. And not 50+ minutes. And not playoff basketball with its higher intensity.
And those regular season games often came with 2 or even 3 off days before or after. Or the knowledge that you were playing the Pistons or Wizards next game and could keep minutes down then.
I saw a lot of front iron yesterday. That’s tired legs.
The Pacers are killing them because they always seem to have at least 2 guys on the floor who can hit 3s or drive. If the Knicks play up to defend the 3, they are getting killed on the drive penetrations. If they play off, the Pacers just aren't missing. Aren't they due for a crappy game now?
It was a lot of me bitching and crying about zhartenstein and Mcbride
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think Brunson, Hart and Divencenzo as the leaders of the team are to proud to go out like that, you could see it and hear it Hart's post game comments and same with Brunsons...Even Hartensteins..
This team has always got up off the mat and after i read they had a players only meeting i am feeling a little mkre optimistic, this team has always held each other accountable...
Do they win the series? i dont know, but they aremt ging to lay down and i think Siakim and Haliburton kicking them while they are down was a mistake
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Are we cooked or do we bounce back?
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think Brunson, Hart and Divencenzo as the leaders of the team are to proud to go out like that, you could see it and hear it Hart's post game comments and same with Brunsons...Even Hartensteins..
This team has always got up off the mat and after i read they had a players only meeting i am feeling a little mkre optimistic, this team has always held each other accountable...
Do they win the series? i dont know, but they aremt ging to lay down and i think Siakim and Haliburton kicking them while they are down was a mistake
I think that's fair and I don't know about you but with each injury my intrigue for this offseason become greater and greater. I'm so excited to see what they do but I'm also very afraid of a superstar "type" 1) Because Jalen is already that guy and 2) Because I don't believe many NBA superstar personalities will fit with this culture. It's why I think I want Bridges. I'm just not sure if Brooklyn will deal with us.
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Are we cooked or do we bounce back?
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
I think Brunson, Hart and Divencenzo as the leaders of the team are to proud to go out like that, you could see it and hear it Hart's post game comments and same with Brunsons...Even Hartensteins..
This team has always got up off the mat and after i read they had a players only meeting i am feeling a little mkre optimistic, this team has always held each other accountable...
Do they win the series? i dont know, but they aremt ging to lay down and i think Siakim and Haliburton kicking them while they are down was a mistake
I think that's fair and I don't know about you but with each injury my intrigue for this offseason become greater and greater. I'm so excited to see what they do but I'm also very afraid of a superstar "type" 1) Because Jalen is already that guy and 2) Because I don't believe many NBA superstar personalities will fit with this culture. It's why I think I want Bridges. I'm just not sure if Brooklyn will deal with us.
I agree 100%, very excited for the offseason, think we go into next season eith championship on the mind..
I also agree about the star they add, have to be careful and make sure they fit, i do think Mitchell has that attitude needed and i agree on Bridges
I think the case can be made either way, but we are either at, if not approaching and easier case to be made for the former.
They need to do something to counter the Pacers press. This Pacers team is starting to remind me a bit of the Pitino Knicks. Shot a ton of 3s and press with their young wing players.
Important fact to remember for whoever gets game 5, 2 days off after game 5...meaning much needed rest for both teams and go absokutely balls to the wall to get game 5
But man are they short handed now...get OG healthy.
But man are they short handed now...get OG healthy.
You have to start Deuce or Burks and hope they get hot from 3 because they are being left wide.open in the corners
I love him...but his injuries are very concerning....
Talk me off the ledge here
But why is he letting this affect his defense? He hasn’t stayed in front of anyone in Indiana. That’s why Thibs yanked him out of game 3 at one point.
I love him...but his injuries are very concerning....
Talk me off the ledge here
Because the team is elite when he plays, some players have bad injury luck, but he is going to get brought back, you gave up Rj and Quick to get him
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he is simply not shooting well, he has to make the Pacers pay for leaving him open, same goes for Hart, he is passing up open 3s as well, let it fly
But why is he letting this affect his defense? He hasn’t stayed in front of anyone in Indiana. That’s why Thibs yanked him out of game 3 at one point.
the poor defense has me puzzled. Could just be that he's a young player getting his first real playoff minutes (he barely played last year) and the moment is a little too big for him right now.
The way that some teams are using the injury report in the playoffs is very annoying. Guys like Haliburton and Embiid have been on the report every game even though there’s no chance they’re missing the game
The annoying thing about Haliburton is, you know he has no balls, when the team is rolling he is loud and dancing and talking shit, but 4th quarter close game , he is playing hot potatoe with the ball hoping someone will bail him out
It would help things a great deal if Halliburton wasn’t left WIDE OPEN for 85% of his shots.
The Celtics might have the easiest path to an NBA Finals I can ever recall. Even if we beat Indiana, we're going to go into that series @ a significant disadvantage. Fucking Boston.
why do you say that?
They may very well win this series because we just don’t have the horses. But, boy do I want to beat these posers more than I did the sixers. Hoping the Knicks come to play tomorrow.
And again - Donte is nowhere near the pedigree that Booker is. If there a shot to get him this offseason, empty the cupboard for him.
I would trade a haul for Cade
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Really good players who could be stars become available this summer. Simmons is another one to watch.
Simons from Portland?
Yea. I don’t think he’s a fit here but I think he may be on the market. Orlando has already inquired
But OKC made its free throws (23-24) and Mavs didn't (12-23).
Donkic missed a FT with 10 seconds left and a chance to tie. Holmgren then swished two big ones. A big who can make free throws (79% on the season) is a wonderful thing.