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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
Made Bruce Feldman's Freak's List - ranked #65. He wrote, "..a 6-1, 220-pounder who ran wind-aided 10.08 and 10.09 100-meter times this spring and blazed a 10.22 in May at an event in Austin, but Chatman is the SMU player for now we’re spotlighting. Not only is he pound for pound one of the strongest people in college football, Chatman is one of the strongest period. On the field, Chatman made 25 tackles, 10 TFLs and 2.5 sacks. In the weight room, the 6-1, 295-pound Shreveport, La., product bench pressed 495 pounds this offseason and has done 42 reps at 225. He also back-squatted 615 and power-cleaned 335, and did this muscle-up weighing 290."
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
Played some fullback too. Hmmm that's interesting. 4.90 speed I could see him crushing in to the line blocking or Refrigerator Perry styl on the goal line or Push Tush back.
scouting dept really going all in on under the radar athletic DL types
signing. I'm sure he's well known to the area scouts.
The Giants are clearly trying to bolster their inside pass rush, whether it's with Rogers, Chatman, or maybe a veteran after final cuts. I'm sure they are also hoping to get some inside pass rush from Davidson this season.
Look at those Aaron Donald numbers, can't believe we passed on him
...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).
Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.
...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).
Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.
What could have been...
He was a very controversial players on BBI and among draftniks. A lot of people - myself included - thought his size was going to be a real problem in the NFL.
we knew that bolstering the DL (especially at 3 tech)
was going to be a problem with how the draft fell.
Rogers and this guy, have some traits that could help with that issue. Schoen has done a good job at adding talent in the areas that were problems coming into this off season.
Now its up to the coaching staff to get these young players to deliver.
1. can play early run downs and play it well and set an edge
2. can rush the passer from the outside a bit to hedge against azeez
3. can kick inside on pass rush downs and rush the passer from DT
4. be a veteran presence/leader in the locker room
we need to find one of these guys before training camp.
he doesnt have to play a lot of snaps, theres 20-25% of snaps to be had out there imo.
my guy was dupree, but hopefully we can find someone else. he would have been a great signing.
RE: RE: Look at those Aaron Donald numbers, can't believe we passed on him
...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).
Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.
What could have been...
He was a very controversial players on BBI and among draftniks. A lot of people - myself included - thought his size was going to be a real problem in the NFL.
I don't feel like digging up 10 year old threads, but I remember being flummoxed by those opinions. At a minimum, John Randle was a comp of a lighter DT that disrupted because of his athleticism.
Hell, Spags would put Tuck in at DT routinely on passing downs.
Also nothing in Donald's tape from Pitt showed him having any issue with bigger OL. He was absolutely dominant.
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Giants have signed rookie DT Elijah "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster after an impressive rookie camp tryout.
Funny, Chatman was the one DL that coach Bryan Cox seemed to have an eye on when the linemen were doing drills in front of me. Then, short time later, Daboll strolled over, watched Chatman a bit and wrote something down on paper. Not a surprise that Chatman is signed to get a look at camp, He was the only DL that was explosive and powerful.
I'd love to see him make it on the Giants, and who knows if he'll be a DT or FB, if he becomes a FB he could haunt some of the teams in the NFCE (kind of like a player like Boston Scott was against the Giants for several seasons).
I like his hunger to play.
A lightinng quick 3 tech to put next to Dex on pass rush downs.
Payne coming in for a visit fits this bill, as does our UDFA Rogers.
They likely recognize that all attention is going to go to Dex, Burns and KT. Just add someone else in that can beat a single block and get to the QB fast.
RE: Mendenhall was 6’1”, 255 … and Burt was 6’1, 260 …
It’s not the size of the man in the fight … it’s speed, quickness, intelligence and determination … let’s see what he can bring
That was at a time when offensive linemen were much lighter...
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According to Elias Sports Bureau research, the average weight of starting offensive linemen was 254.3 pounds in 1970. It jumped to 276.9 by 1990, but the largest increase in poundage would come in the following 10 years. A decade later, the average O-line starter checked in at 309.4 pounds.
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
Maybe he could be our Nikita Whitlock
I didn’t see the spin move in the highlights so he still has some work to do to get to Nikita-level :-)
The 280 is not stretched out over a 6'2-3" frame. On the one hand, I would think this may help him re: leverage. The arm length may be an issue but on the interior with a quick getoff he cold negate that.
He could also play special teams and if he can play FB too. He has a legitimate shot. At a minimum, I think he can make the practice squad.
Autry played both 3 and 5 techniques in Bowen's D the last few years and excelled. Also was an UDFA way back in 2014. Autry is taller at 6'4.5'' but was a similar weight coming in at just 273lbs. His arms are even shorter than Chatman's. He did better in the agility drills but much worse in the bench and slightly worse in the 40. The jumps were similar.
(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.
Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
RE: Well, Eric, if we didn't take our B-P meds it's inconsequential
(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.
Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
Ovie Oghoufo is about the same size as Lawrence Taylor.
(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.
Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
Ovie Oghoufo is about the same size as Lawrence Taylor.
Another situational pass rusher for the D Line.
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
The fact that Coach Andre Patterson spent time with him this weekend and he was signed is encouraging.
Another situational pass rusher for the D Line.
"The Beast" has him at 4.81.
ELIJAH CHATMAN DT SMU | NFL DRAFT PROFILE & SCOUTING REPORT - ( New Window )
I believe she said that about Casey Rogers.
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she said he reminded her of Chad Bradski
I believe she said that about Casey Rogers.
you could be right about that - maybe I mixed them up
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
Maybe he could be our Nikita Whitlock
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
Nikita Whitlock
Whitley, Martin, or one of the WR’s seem like the most tenuous roster spots
The Giants are clearly trying to bolster their inside pass rush, whether it's with Rogers, Chatman, or maybe a veteran after final cuts. I'm sure they are also hoping to get some inside pass rush from Davidson this season.
Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.
What could have been...
Definitely a guy benefits from leverage, and with his quickness, it makes it difficult for him to be blocked. Could be a good 3-tech.
Hope he works his way onto the practice squad.
Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.
What could have been...
He was a very controversial players on BBI and among draftniks. A lot of people - myself included - thought his size was going to be a real problem in the NFL.
Rogers and this guy, have some traits that could help with that issue. Schoen has done a good job at adding talent in the areas that were problems coming into this off season.
Now its up to the coaching staff to get these young players to deliver.
2. can rush the passer from the outside a bit to hedge against azeez
3. can kick inside on pass rush downs and rush the passer from DT
4. be a veteran presence/leader in the locker room
we need to find one of these guys before training camp.
he doesnt have to play a lot of snaps, theres 20-25% of snaps to be had out there imo.
my guy was dupree, but hopefully we can find someone else. he would have been a great signing.
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...A total once-in-a-lifetime athletic freak for a guy his size, couple that with him being the most decorated college defender in years (unanimous All-American, Outland trophy, Nagurski trophy, Bednarki trophy, Lombardi trophy).
Can you imagine him paired with JPP? Holy cow, the Giants would have won so many more games than they did by picking a 5'11" WR.
What could have been...
He was a very controversial players on BBI and among draftniks. A lot of people - myself included - thought his size was going to be a real problem in the NFL.
I don't feel like digging up 10 year old threads, but I remember being flummoxed by those opinions. At a minimum, John Randle was a comp of a lighter DT that disrupted because of his athleticism.
Hell, Spags would put Tuck in at DT routinely on passing downs.
Also nothing in Donald's tape from Pitt showed him having any issue with bigger OL. He was absolutely dominant.
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Giants have signed rookie DT Elijah "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster after an impressive rookie camp tryout.
Funny, Chatman was the one DL that coach Bryan Cox seemed to have an eye on when the linemen were doing drills in front of me. Then, short time later, Daboll strolled over, watched Chatman a bit and wrote something down on paper. Not a surprise that Chatman is signed to get a look at camp, He was the only DL that was explosive and powerful.
Go make the roster!
hard to imagine there are 257 players better than this guy who just got drafted, right?
after 12 years of abysmal football, maybe the football gods will grace us with a miracle.
I realize highlights are only highlights, but he really blows up some plays in the highlights linked above....
He's small.
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He's small.
And not just undrafted, but not signed by anyone as an UDFA.
Off the chart small. You can count on one and how many DTs have played the game at 5'11/sub-280
Offensive tackles tend to be tall. Blocking a fast moving short powerful DE would seem difficult.
I like his hunger to play.
Payne coming in for a visit fits this bill, as does our UDFA Rogers.
They likely recognize that all attention is going to go to Dex, Burns and KT. Just add someone else in that can beat a single block and get to the QB fast.
That was at a time when offensive linemen were much lighter...
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#NYGiants add rookie DT "Baby Bison" Chatman to the roster....6-0 and 278, quick and as strong as an ox....also played some snaps as a fullback at SMU.
Maybe he could be our Nikita Whitlock
He could also play special teams and if he can play FB too. He has a legitimate shot. At a minimum, I think he can make the practice squad.
And the motor is good...
When the Rams played the lions in post season, they had THREE 300+ linemen blocking Donald, on many plays.
To stop him ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b4mSyRQxMk
When the Rams played the lions in post season, they had THREE 300+ linemen blocking Donald, on many plays.
I swear BBI is bipolar. A guy is either camp fodder or an obvious Hall of Famer.
(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.
Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.
Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
Ovie Oghoufo is about the same size as Lawrence Taylor.
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(Probably Chatman is camp fodder), but no denying Donald succeeded at 6'1", 284.
Hate to be redundant, but look at that Ravens' triple-team clip again - #64 Center Tyler Linderbaum, 6'2" 304; #76 Left Guard, #76 Andrew Vorhees, 6'6" 310, and (number obscured) I believe it's Left tackle Ronnie Stanley 6'6" 315; all against one man.
Ovie Oghoufo is about the same size as Lawrence Taylor.
So am I. Well, maybe a few pounds lighter now.