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Here's what Denver Sports' Cecil Lammey wrote after Saturday's practice. "Nix can throw deep with accuracy, and Broncos HC Sean Payton knows that. While I can’t tell you precisely how due to Broncos media policy, I do want to emphasize that on Saturday we did see evidence that Payton will have Nix on the attack – and Nix can make those throws! It was fun to see the Payton offense with Nix running the show, and it was thrilling to see how Payton was crafting ways for Nix to go deep," Lammey wrote. |
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A few of us wanted the Giants to trade back, or back up for Nix. Based on how the draft developed, I think the Giants could have arranged a trade with Minnesota for the 11th pick pretty easily.
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board would have imploded had the Giants taken Nix over McCarthy and Penix.
A few of us wanted the Giants to trade back, or back up for Nix. Based on how the draft developed, I think the Giants could have arranged a trade with Minnesota for the 11th pick pretty easily.
Nix is the guy I liked the best after Williams and Daniels - yes ahead of Maye whom I still scratch my head about.
But clearly, neither Daboll nor Schoen thought enough of him. I think he will do the best out of the gate of all this year's QBs. I think Payton sees a lot of Drew Brees there.
Nix at 6!!
I remember those threads and the reaction. BBI didn't want Nix, certainly not at 6, maybe in 2nd round. He was my favorite after the top 3.
I'm shocked at the excitement the Broncos beats have based on mini camp - getting feet wet. They must have really hated Russel Wilson.
Really? What other choice did they have? Those were literally the last 2 QBs left.
what is Producers' current handle?
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
what is Producers' current handle?
Darwinism
Were they the preferred choices though? Both desperately needed QBs and they were the only 2 left.
Really? What other choice did they have? Those were literally the last 2 QBs left.
They didn't have to pick QBs. If either team didn't think the QB available was the right investment to build their team around, they could have signed Tannehill for example as a bridge.
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Nix and Denver were tied together for a couple of months.
BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
what is Producers' current handle?
Darwinism
Appropriate....
Were they the preferred choices though? Both desperately needed QBs and they were the only 2 left.
Preferred choice has nothing to do with it. They deemed those players were the right cornerstones to build on.
Just like the Giants, no one was obligated to take a QB they didn't believe in. Either team could have gone the bridge route.
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
Were they the preferred choices though? Both desperately needed QBs and they were the only 2 left.
Preferred choice has nothing to do with it. They deemed those players were the right cornerstones to build on.
Just like the Giants, no one was obligated to take a QB they didn't believe in. Either team could have gone the bridge route.
Poor comparison to the Giants since neither team has a committment like we do (albeit the wrong one). Both were openly candid about their need for a new QB. Your acting like McCarthy and Nix were their preferred choices.
we dont know that for sure.
Hell Daniel Jones looked like one after one drive in preseason. We all know how that turned out.
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
Great question.
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
Minnesota definitely takes a QB. We both know that. They already have 3 premiere pass catching options.
Denver also takes a QB because they have nothing committed to the position. If played on the franchise tag last year, I fully believe McCarthy would be our QB this year. But unfortunately, we signed Jones to a bad deal.
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
Nix was always linked to the Broncos. I think Minny wanted Maye and their fall back was McCarthy.
we dont know that for sure.
I'm not implying that at all. We have no idea what their preference was.
What we do know is the Giants, Broncos, and Vikings all had top 12 picks. The Giants determined McCarthy and Nix were not the right quarterbacks to build the future around. And the other two teams disagreed.
If they were right, and the Giants were wrong, that's bad for the Giants. No?
I didnt know - thanks.
I think a team with Jefferson and Addison was very unlikely to add Nabers.
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Your acting like McCarthy and Nix were their preferred choices.
we dont know that for sure.
I'm not implying that at all. We have no idea what their preference was.
What we do know is the Giants, Broncos, and Vikings all had top 12 picks. The Giants determined McCarthy and Nix were not the right quarterbacks to build the future around. And the other two teams disagreed.
If they were right, and the Giants were wrong, that's bad for the Giants. No?
Yes, very bad. I am still of the belief the Giants should have taken McCarthy 1 and a WR in the 2nd round.
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BTW, trade back is not a great option because a team can then trade in front of you if they are desperate enough (and the Broncos were).
Sure. So if the Giants deemed Nix was a cornerstone type QB they could have picked him at 6.
We're not talking about teams taking fliers on these two players. They were picked 10 and 12 respectively. These teams with highly respected offensive head coaches believe these are franchise quarterbacks, and the Giants didn't.
Non-rhetorical question: if Minnesota or Denver was picking 6th, do you think they take their quarterback or Nabers?
He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
The Giants had a choice to pick Nix or McCarthy at 6, and they were ultimately picked at 10 and 12.
I think Payton and O'Connell are pretty damn good at this. So it gives me pause as a fan when they think someone is the answer and the Giants didn't.
It should have created more urgency. It didn't. And what's to say Bears wouldn't trade back? If you are as desperate for a QB as these teams were and see a guy you love, you don't sit back and wait. MN showed that urgency for Maye. Why not McCarthy? I mean, they had two first round picks to make a legit move.
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He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
Good chance Penix wont. He may not even play. Nix should struggle. Tough decision. Not great weapons surrounding him.
And McCarthy may not eve nstart the year. He has to beat out Darnold.
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He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
I am pretty certain Nix is going to do well with Payton and that is irrelevant.
I doubt Penix sees the field at all except for injury to Cousins and McCarthy not before mid-season.
But the point was - touting the rookie QB at min-camp without a defense in his face in May? WGAF
But the point was - touting the rookie QB at min-camp without a defense in his face in May? WGAF
When I DGAF about something, I just ignore it and move on with my life.
Something perhaps for you to consider if a thread isn't interesting to you.
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But the point was - touting the rookie QB at min-camp without a defense in his face in May? WGAF
When I DGAF about something, I just ignore it and move on with my life.
Something perhaps for you to consider if a thread isn't interesting to you.
Wow, great reply.
What we do know is McCarthy and Nix were deemed top 12 picks.
My guess is two quarterback focused head coaches wouldn't bat a lash at picking a QB at 6, that they ultimately picked at 10 or 12.
Giants were at 4, and tried mightily to interest Miami in trading up to get ahead of LAC.
Dolphins had no interest, because they had Herbert and Tua rated roughly equally and were happy getting either one.
Point being Vikings could have really liked both JJM and Penix, but didn't see the need to expend capital until one of them went off the board.
Teams spend months assembling their draft boards. A competent front office would expect to be surprised by what other teams do; that’s why they put all that time, money and effort into their boards. Nobody is “thrown for a loop.” Even if they’re surprised. If they didn’t have time to react then they didn’t do their homework.
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I think when Atlanta took Penix - it threw a lot of teams for a loop and didnt have time to react. And Minny only had to move up 1 spot because there was no way the Bears were passing on Udonze.
Teams spend months assembling their draft boards. A competent front office would expect to be surprised by what other teams do; that’s why they put all that time, money and effort into their boards. Nobody is “thrown for a loop.” Even if they’re surprised. If they didn’t have time to react then they didn’t do their homework.
You mean when Philly jumped ahead of us for Devontae Smith? Or when Minnesota didnt draft a player in time?
It does happen. Not saying it should, but it does.
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He's a rookie QB who, like it or not, is going to be compared to the Giants highly-paid starting QB because as an organization they chose not to draft him.
See also: JJ McCarthy, Michael Penix.
Better hope none of those guys light shit up this year.
This year?
This place will be filled with even more "I-told-you-sos" if any one of JJM, Penix or Nix EVER plays well
Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.
"I have seen the future superstar for the Denver Broncos....and his name is Paxton Lynch".
Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.
As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.
The FO has staked their ability of evaluating quarterbacks on this last draft. They say those three were not worth taking even though they are supposedly very interested in upgrading the position. Picks 8, 10, and 12 tells me that the "consensus value" was there and none of those picks would have been a humiliating reach from a PR standpoint. You could argue Daniel Jones at 6 was a bigger reach from a value standpoint considering many felt he was draftable at #17.
I don't care how good Nabers is: what NFL receiver are you taking to start your team over a top 10-15 starting QB?
It's the Giants FO vs the league. Do they know what the fuck they are doing? We're going to find out soon enough.
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.
As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.
I like to view players, especially prospects, as probability vectors, and think decisions should be based on game theory principles. Does Malik Nabers have a higher chance of hitting than the next three QBs? Yes, probably. And likely a better chance of hitting than Maye as well. That is an argument in favor of selecting Nabers. However, any QB who hits, will be more valuable than Nabers to an NFL team that doesn't have a QB. It's not even debatable if you are familiar with the underlying numbers of the game. And Bo Nix, for instance, doesn't have to become Drew Brees to pass Nabers in value, though if he becomes Drew Brees, it will be Nix over Nabers in a wipeout.
I think this is some of the thinking behind the choices KOC and Payton made. And for them it's something more than a probability vector, with NiX and JJM. They also have a sense of what these guys can do within their schemes. They can imagine how they will be successful, as QB gurus, and this likely increases the chance at success.
If I'm running a team I go for ceiling to try to transform a team. I love having Nabers, but would be happier if we found a way to add one of these 6 QBs.
And if you ask me which is better: Nabers+Jones or (Penix-JJM-Nix)+(Worthy-McConkey). I choose the latter
Hell yeah with me being one of them.
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.
As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.
I like to view players, especially prospects, as probability vectors, and think decisions should be based on game theory principles. Does Malik Nabers have a higher chance of hitting than the next three QBs? Yes, probably. And likely a better chance of hitting than Maye as well. That is an argument in favor of selecting Nabers. However, any QB who hits, will be more valuable than Nabers to an NFL team that doesn't have a QB. It's not even debatable if you are familiar with the underlying numbers of the game. And Bo Nix, for instance, doesn't have to become Drew Brees to pass Nabers in value, though if he becomes Drew Brees, it will be Nix over Nabers in a wipeout.
I think this is some of the thinking behind the choices KOC and Payton made. And for them it's something more than a probability vector, with NiX and JJM. They also have a sense of what these guys can do within their schemes. They can imagine how they will be successful, as QB gurus, and this likely increases the chance at success.
If I'm running a team I go for ceiling to try to transform a team. I love having Nabers, but would be happier if we found a way to add one of these 6 QBs.
And if you ask me which is better: Nabers+Jones or (Penix-JJM-Nix)+(Worthy-McConkey). I choose the latter
I'm guessing the decision was NOT DJ + Nabers
It was Nabers + 2025 QB other than DJ
The thinking was clearly that Nabers is a rare talent (HOF potential, pro-bowl likely) - at a premium position.
Penix (with injury concerns), JJM and Nix were determined to not be an upgrade from DJ worth passing on Nabers.
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
Well, at least among the choices available when they picked.
As discussed in great detail above, neither team was forced to choose a QB. There were viable options to bridge and try again, as the Giants seemingly have elected to do.
I like to view players, especially prospects, as probability vectors, and think decisions should be based on game theory principles. Does Malik Nabers have a higher chance of hitting than the next three QBs? Yes, probably. And likely a better chance of hitting than Maye as well. That is an argument in favor of selecting Nabers. However, any QB who hits, will be more valuable than Nabers to an NFL team that doesn't have a QB. It's not even debatable if you are familiar with the underlying numbers of the game. And Bo Nix, for instance, doesn't have to become Drew Brees to pass Nabers in value, though if he becomes Drew Brees, it will be Nix over Nabers in a wipeout.
I think this is some of the thinking behind the choices KOC and Payton made. And for them it's something more than a probability vector, with NiX and JJM. They also have a sense of what these guys can do within their schemes. They can imagine how they will be successful, as QB gurus, and this likely increases the chance at success.
If I'm running a team I go for ceiling to try to transform a team. I love having Nabers, but would be happier if we found a way to add one of these 6 QBs.
And if you ask me which is better: Nabers+Jones or (Penix-JJM-Nix)+(Worthy-McConkey). I choose the latter
I'm guessing the decision was NOT DJ + Nabers
It was Nabers + 2025 QB other than DJ
The thinking was clearly that Nabers is a rare talent (HOF potential, pro-bowl likely) - at a premium position.
Penix (with injury concerns), JJM and Nix were determined to not be an upgrade from DJ worth passing on Nabers.
Let me amend that
Nabers + DJ or another QB in 2025
Falcons WRs struggling to catch the ball - ( New Window )
Eric is right from the podcast before the draft, Schoen has 2024 or 2025 to land a QB in all likelihood.
That is funny
I still think Penix was correctly QB3
His injury concerns are a big red flag though
If he did not have injury concerns. would he have been QB #2?
He was QB #4
Where would he have been if no injury concerns?
I'm guessing the decision was NOT DJ + Nabers
It was Nabers + 2025 QB other than DJ
The thinking was clearly that Nabers is a rare talent (HOF potential, pro-bowl likely) - at a premium position.
Penix (with injury concerns), JJM and Nix were determined to not be an upgrade from DJ worth passing on Nabers.
This may very well be the thinking. There are other possibilities too, but yours is the likeliest. Elsewhere, I opined that JS and BD may have been warned by Mara that they will get one shot at a highly-drafted QB and unless they have love for the prospect, they shouldn't bother. And that's how you pass on a QB who you might think is better than Daniel Jones, but not good enough. Great being the enemy of good.
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.
Playing in NY means nothing. It's not 1958.
And BBI is "unbearable" the other way too. Victory laps are taken and comparisons made any time a QB on another team fails in some way.
The only sure way to make BBI "bearable" is for the Giants to stop being such a shitty football team. Start stringing together some winning seasons and get the standards back up. The current standards are absolutely pathetic.
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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.
Playing in NY means nothing. It's not 1958.
And BBI is "unbearable" the other way too. Victory laps are taken
Like the one you took when you came back from your hiatus?
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
And another point, just because they play well for Atl, Den, Minn, doesn’t mean they would play well here. Playing in NY is completely different from anywhere else. The pressure, media, fans etc, makes a HUGE impact. We’ve seen it from every NY sports team. Some players just can’t handle it. It’s a fact.
This is a great post.
It will fall on deaf ears because the people who need therapy on this site will drown it out.
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
A moot point? It strikes at the heart of their competency. If this quarterback desperate team passed on a top 10-15 starter with three potential candidates there, the house should be cleaned all the way down to the scouts. How could you not?
There's a good chance Nabers is great, but if you're building a team from scratch, are you picking a top 10-15 QB or a top 5 receiver first? Does anyone say the latter with a straight face?
That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.
That’s because it’s complete nonsense, but I’m glad to see the usual suspects are already building excuses in case one (or more) of those three lights it up. “Doesn’t matter wouldn’t have done it in NY” is such a stupid take, people are still scarred by the Ed Whitsons of the world they think the NY spotlight can break someone.
The current Giants QB has an unimpressive resume and has had nothing but excuses made for him from ownership on down to a very team friendly media.
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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
A moot point? It strikes at the heart of their competency. If this quarterback desperate team passed on a top 10-15 starter with three potential candidates there, the house should be cleaned all the way down to the scouts. How could you not?
There's a good chance Nabers is great, but if you're building a team from scratch, are you picking a top 10-15 QB or a top 5 receiver first? Does anyone say the latter with a straight face?
Let me argue the other side. I take the top 5 reciever.
Having the #15 QB in the league is QB "hell" and I'm not winning the Superbowl with him.
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Any time Nix, Penix, or McCarthy have a good game.
People have to realize Schoen didn’t think they were franchise QBs. So you either trust him with his decisions or don’t. Either way it’s a moot point because we got Nabers.
A moot point? It strikes at the heart of their competency. If this quarterback desperate team passed on a top 10-15 starter with three potential candidates there, the house should be cleaned all the way down to the scouts. How could you not?
There's a good chance Nabers is great, but if you're building a team from scratch, are you picking a top 10-15 QB or a top 5 receiver first? Does anyone say the latter with a straight face?
Let me argue the other side. I take the top 5 reciever.
Having the #15 QB in the league is QB "hell" and I'm not winning the Superbowl with him.
Right. But any one (or 3) of those QBs, could become perennial top-10 guys. That's the point. And that's more valuable than anything Nabers can ever be, even if he becomes Justin Jefferson.
That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.
That's right.
Once Nabers was drafted at #6, that pick essentially turned into Jones.
Thus, as long as Jones is here, he will be measured against the performance and success of McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
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It is May 15.
That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.
That's right.
Once Nabers was drafted at #6, that pick essentially turned into Jones.
Thus, as long as Jones is here, he will be measured against the performance and success of McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Oh, for chrissakes.....
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It is May 15.
That said, it's a fact...if JJ, Penix, or Nix hit, this organization is going to look really, rally bad. Just one needs to hit & we'll have egg on our face again, no matter how good Nabers might be.
That's right.
Once Nabers was drafted at #6, that pick essentially turned into Jones.
Thus, as long as Jones is here, he will be measured against the performance and success of McCarthy, Penix and Nix.
Oh, for chrissakes.....
Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.
Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.
Jones now has Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson, are we not allowed to judge his performance against 3 rookies?
They decided on the WR and not a QB, so Jones better goddamn well get it done.
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Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.
Jones now has Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson, are we not allowed to judge his performance against 3 rookies?
They decided on the WR and not a QB, so Jones better goddamn well get it done.
But you can’t assume that any of the other 3 QB’s will have the same performance in New York as they would have in their current cities because the Giants without Nabers were significantly behind the other 3 in terms of offensive skill positions.
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Don’t you know we can draft 3 QB’s simultaneously and can assume that they will have the same talent and coaching that they have around them now except on the Giants. After all, having Slayton, Hyatt, and Robinson is the same as having Jefferson and Addison. Mara and Tisch were in the room so they know who the QB would have been if we bypassed Nabers and that is what matters.
Jones now has Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson, are we not allowed to judge his performance against 3 rookies?
They decided on the WR and not a QB, so Jones better goddamn well get it done.
But you can’t assume that any of the other 3 QB’s will have the same performance in New York as they would have in their current cities because the Giants without Nabers were significantly behind the other 3 in terms of offensive skill positions.
You can make a direct QB to QB comparison. This isn’t about a hypothetical situation because that went out the window when the Giants hitched their wagon to Jones, again.
If Jones isn’t significantly better than 3 rookies making a fraction of what he is, there had better be some fucking answers.
Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.
I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
Health permitting, Nabers should be be a 130 target, 1200 yards + player this year. He's going to be the focal point of the offense.
If Hyatt and Robinson don't progress at all, and Slayton is who he's been the last two years, the Giants have a strong receiving group.
If Hyatt and Robinson eclipse Slayton, the Giants have one of the best groups.
Slayton was our most successful receiver last season - not Hyatt or Robinson. May Nabers, Hyatt and Robinson will be better, but they need to show that in games that count. I hope they do.
Here's the bottom line: if we truly have a franchise QB, there is more than enough at his disposal now to be that.
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
Here's the bottom line: if we truly have a franchise QB, there is more than enough at his disposal now to be that.
I know you watch a lot of this. We now have some of the most dominant WRs from the SEC on the roster from the last few years. Nabers/Hyatt and Robinson all balled against the best.
It is going to spread the field and these men are going to run wild. When it happens I will still advocate for drafting a QB. Jones is not great. He is going to excel at throwing short passes to these guys and it is going to open Giant running lanes for Jones.
We were sacked 20 more times than the worst teams in the NFL last year.
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.
I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."
Hmm - who were you before?
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In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.
I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."
Hmm - who were you before?
I just looked it up
Only 1 QB threw for 35 TDs last season
Only 4 QBs threw 30 or more TDs last season
Mahomes threw 27
You've set a high bar to not be useless
Everyone everywhere loves Nabers. One of the top WR prospects in the past few years everyone is saying.
So what if we get Ewers, Beck or whoever the top QBs next year and combine him with Nabers?
Everyone here is killing them and will continue to kill them any second one of the QBs have a good game. And they’ll somehow still go back to blame DJ. Some here are just so shortsighted. They just think because they didn’t take a QB means their married to DJ when they literally proved that they tried to replace him with Maye.
Again, they saw Nabers as an elite prospect. So let’s compare these 3 QBs to Nabers and the QB the Giants get next year.
Nobody forgets there's a draft, we're curious how they plan on drafting a QB if they're sitting at 8-10 in 2025 after passing on 3 QBs at #6 this year.
If it was a "reach" this year, why wouldn't it be a reach next year in a similar or worse draft slot?
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In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.
I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."
Hmm - who were you before?
Producer/Manhattan
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In comment 16516301 Darwinian said:
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In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.
I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."
Hmm - who were you before?
I just looked it up
Only 1 QB threw for 35 TDs last season
Only 4 QBs threw 30 or more TDs last season
Mahomes threw 27
You've set a high bar to not be useless
You're being too literal.. I'll take 29 if we get 4100 yards, or 28. You're missing the point. he's got 62TDs in 60 starts. His production is pathetic, and instead of calling it what it is you're playing semantic games with me, which means, if we dig a little deeper you won't have a leg to stand on. Jones fails the stats test and the eye test. But you want to defend a $100M bonus baby who had probably the very worst season a player has ever had after signing a giant contract. Just admit you're in denial. And you have the temerity to bring Stroud up. Stroud had a better season as a rookie than Jones has ever had, by a wide margin. 4100 yards whereas Jones' career high is 3200. 8.2 Y/A whereas Jones' career high is 6.8.
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
what is Producers' current handle?
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In comment 16515370 christian said:
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Credit to Producer for this draft day observation -- a couple of pretty good offensive minds in Payton and O'Connell determined Nix and McCarthy were the quarterbacks to build their teams around.
what is Producers' current handle?
I believe Producer's is currently posting under Modog
No hes darwaniasm. Maybe Modog too. Wouldn’t be shocking. But he’s definitely darwin
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In comment 16516909 gersh said:
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In comment 16516301 Darwinian said:
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In comment 16516284 christian said:
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There are several fans on this site who think Slayton is the fourth best receiver on the team. If Nabers, Hyatt, and Robinson are better -- the Giants have one of the best and deepest groups in the league. If Jones is better than Nix, McCarthy, and Penix he should have a field day with this group.
Yes, they are not there yet, but there is a chance this is a stellar unit. Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless.
I guess Hyatt and WanDale have the potential to be better than Slayton, but they're not there yet. Slayton is pretty good. I bet he gets just as many snaps as those two guys.
"Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."
Hmm - who were you before?
I just looked it up
Only 1 QB threw for 35 TDs last season
Only 4 QBs threw 30 or more TDs last season
Mahomes threw 27
You've set a high bar to not be useless
You're being too literal.. I'll take 29 if we get 4100 yards, or 28. You're missing the point. he's got 62TDs in 60 starts. His production is pathetic, and instead of calling it what it is you're playing semantic games with me, which means, if we dig a little deeper you won't have a leg to stand on. Jones fails the stats test and the eye test. But you want to defend a $100M bonus baby who had probably the very worst season a player has ever had after signing a giant contract. Just admit you're in denial. And you have the temerity to bring Stroud up. Stroud had a better season as a rookie than Jones has ever had, by a wide margin. 4100 yards whereas Jones' career high is 3200. 8.2 Y/A whereas Jones' career high is 6.8.
“Jones needs to throw 30 to 35 TDs. If he can't do that, he's completely useless."
I’m sorry for taking what you said as what you meant.
Did you mean disappointing rather than totally useless? Not great?
Just because you are setting ridiculous standards doesn’t mean that I’m defending DJ. I’m merely pointing out that you’re a smart idiot. You’re clearly smart but made an idiotic argument.
I’m hoping as much as anyone that we find DJ’s replacement by next season, but that doesn’t mean that he has to be a top 5 QB this year to justify anything.
He peaked at the right moment and got overpaid. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
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It’s been said 10000 times they they are moving on from DJ after this year unless there’s an absolute miracle. By going so hard trying to trade up to 3 for Maye shows you they’re done with DJ. They obviously didn’t like Nix, McCarthy or Penix.
Nobody forgets there's a draft, we're curious how they plan on drafting a QB if they're sitting at 8-10 in 2025 after passing on 3 QBs at #6 this year.
If it was a "reach" this year, why wouldn't it be a reach next year in a similar or worse draft slot?
The possibility of a qb the Giants like being available in the 8-10 range is not unrealistic. Different draft, different players, different evaluations. If the Giants honestly decided that those other 3 qb's had a higher chance of not developing at the NFL level then I can't blame them for passing. So, the big question is why do you/we believe the Giants passed on those qb's, and how certain are we of our opinions?
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It’s been said 10000 times they they are moving on from DJ after this year unless there’s an absolute miracle. By going so hard trying to trade up to 3 for Maye shows you they’re done with DJ. They obviously didn’t like Nix, McCarthy or Penix.
Nobody forgets there's a draft, we're curious how they plan on drafting a QB if they're sitting at 8-10 in 2025 after passing on 3 QBs at #6 this year.
If it was a "reach" this year, why wouldn't it be a reach next year in a similar or worse draft slot?
8 wins? You think they’re winning 8 games with this schedule with DJ or Lock at QB? Everyone here thinks DJ is so terrible that they will easily be in the top 10 again.
Also all the teams that desperately needed QBs took one this year outside of the Giants and Raiders. Maybe the Titans if they don’t believe in Levi’s this year. The Seahawks and Browns possibly but they will be much lower than us. So without many teams fighting over the QBs, the Giants should be able to move up. The top 3 teams this year weren’t budging no matter what. Next year should be easier to move up.
It still goes back to Schoen didn’t like the other QBs. Obviously he loved Nabers. Most people here are losing their minds over not getting a QB and think we’re just sticking with DJ long term. It’s simply not the case. They will draft a QB next year.