NFL Christmas Day games moving to Netflix

really glad they are getting into the live event space

In comment 16515537 UConn4523 said:

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really glad they are getting into the live event space

Hopefully its better than Prime. Had some issues with it last year.

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In comment 16515537 UConn4523 said: Quote: really glad they are getting into the live event space Hopefully its better than Prime. Had some issues with it last year.

Prime and Peacock both fine for me. Check your hardware, firmware, etc. either way it’s going to improve not degrade.

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Prime and Peacock both fine for me. Check your hardware, firmware, etc. either way it’s going to improve not degrade.

Peacock has been very good for me though. Who knows. Maybe I am just imagining things at times.

NFL taking games from their package and selling to Netflix for a huge amount of cash would frustrate me if I were them.

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really glad they are getting into the live event space

Nope. Nothing nice about it.

The NFL motto.

addition to the monthly fee?

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addition to the monthly fee?

Nope. The live stuff is included (currently)

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In comment 16515537 UConn4523 said: Quote: really glad they are getting into the live event space Nope. Nothing nice about it.

You really sold me on the reasons why.

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NFL taking games from their package and selling to Netflix for a huge amount of cash would frustrate me if I were them.

This.

I'm flabbergasted that this was even possible. Major fail.

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In comment 16515610 Jack Stroud said: Quote: addition to the monthly fee? Nope. The live stuff is included (currently)

There will be adds in those games, it isn't going to cost us extra.

Highly doubtful that CBS/Fox would let the NFL take games away from something they have paid for.

Likely is that due the Christmas falling on different days of the week, they never had a contract for that day.

The next 3 years have Christmas on Wed, Thu, Fri

This wouldnt happen if people werent willing to pay for it

team? Simms/Boomer are out there

is a scumbag

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is a scumbag

Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.

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In comment 16515729 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: is a scumbag Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful.

You mean they were losing money before he got there?

I miss the days when the only service I had to pay extra for was the Sunday Ticket. Now it's espn+/disney+, peacock, netflix. I'm sure paramount will nab some. They already started for college ball.

Albert Breer
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So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ...

• Peacock
• Amazon Prime
• Netflix
• ESPN+

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There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.

will have to pay one of the big channels to “produce” the game for them

Thats big money. Even if they’re not happy of losing a dessert game as part of their annual/block contract agreements, I’m sure NFL is legally covered and built themselves the capacity to do this.

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NFL taking games from their package and selling to Netflix for a huge amount of cash would frustrate me if I were them.

The NFL isn’t stupid, they aren’t going to intentionally piss off broadcast partners. Xmas falls on a Wednesday, likely outside of either party’s contractual window. I’m sure Fox and CBS aren’t happy about it, but also understand there is little they can do about it.

In comment 16515738 Eric from BBI said:

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There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.

and every year people would bitch about how costly ST was. Well it's more expensive now and you have to pay for all these other services. I'm now 40, get off my lawn

rip off. 4 different streaming services required. Freaking pitiful.

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Goodell is a scumbag

Goodell does NOTHING other than what the NFL owners tell him to do. The puppet isn't the scumbag here, this was a decision by the NFL owners.

This isn't the 1960's-1970's. There are no more independent commissioners. There are only paid lawyers by the Leagues to do the teams bidding. FYI, if we had the Wellington/Tim Mara spat today, Goodell would never have stepped in and forced a solution on the Giants. He does not have the power Pete Rozelle had.

Netflix price increase on the way.

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rip off. 4 different streaming services required. Freaking pitiful.

You need to pay for these. The league may go bankrupt without it. And Goodell will say, it's for the fans' benefit.

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NFL taking games from their package and selling to Netflix for a huge amount of cash would frustrate me if I were them.

No they didn’t. They didn’t bid on these games. The NFL kept these games for themselves to sell as a package.

In comment 16515738 Eric from BBI said:

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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ... • Peacock • Amazon Prime • Netflix • ESPN+ Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 1h There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.

Add in Youtube who streams Sunday Ticket.

that listening to the game on the radio isn't so bad. I still get to see the highlights after the game. Too many games on new streaming services.

is good.

there is a silver lining for those who care- this is a precursor to games being available to stream by team, conference, division- specialty packages..

Overall, it is the times we live in. You complain about the NFL but they dominant the broadcast world sports wise (at least US wise anyway) and they know it. Besides, can't blame the NFL, they aren't taking cheap routes to do this, these streaming services are paying HUGE $$'s to get these rights.

Netflix is looking to compete against Prime and Max (and Peacock) by now getting some NFL games, WWE broadcasts and I would assume down the road possibly UFC stuff too.

For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice.

Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M
Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M
Prime Video - $8.99/M
Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M
ESPN+ - 10.99/M
OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost

For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there.

In comment 16515734 jeff57 said:

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In comment 16515730 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 16515729 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: is a scumbag Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful. You mean they were losing money before he got there?

The league's annual revenue the year he took over was $6.16B. That's pretty good. The 2022 annual revenue was $18B. And they have a goal of $25B in annual revenue by 2027.

Were they losing money? No. That's silly. Are they significantly better off with Goodell in charge and taking the heat for moves they want? They sure are.

In comment 16515911 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 16515734 jeff57 said: Quote: In comment 16515730 Chris in Philly said: Quote: In comment 16515729 Mr. Nickels said: Quote: is a scumbag Goodell's job is to make the owners money. He seems to be pretty good at his job despite everything thinking he's awful. You mean they were losing money before he got there? The league's annual revenue the year he took over was $6.16B. That's pretty good. The 2022 annual revenue was $18B. And they have a goal of $25B in annual revenue by 2027. Were they losing money? No. That's silly. Are they significantly better off with Goodell in charge and taking the heat for moves they want? They sure are.

Meh, I don't think Goodell needs to do much other than stick his finger in the air to see which direction the winds are blowing and stick his hand out to take the money.

He's got monopoly programming to sell at a time when there are multiple channels if you will all looking for unique programming in order to survive the brutal competition. If the NFL isn't making bank now, it never will.

Their mutual problem is the consumer. How much time, money and energy does the consumer want to spend shuffling among these different streaming services before the consumer says "this is too much time or money or effort and I am going to go do something else."

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rip off. 4 different streaming services required. Freaking pitiful.

Don't be silly. This just means you have MORE OPTIONS!

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For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice. Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M Prime Video - $8.99/M Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M ESPN+ - 10.99/M OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there.

What is so hard to process?


How on earth some of you need to be taught why this sucks I will never know.

Oe more time, every time a game that was normally accessible via network TV, cable TV or the football package gets moved to yet a new outlet that costs money, the fan now has to pay more money.

10 years ago you simply needed cable and network TV to watch every prime time game. This is a stone cold fact. Now, that same poor slob that still pays for network TV and cable TV can no longer watch every prime time game.

It aint hard to figure out.

we're getting fucked one small bite at a time.

you're service suffers as a result. Now you aint getting Yankee games or Knicks / Rangers games unless you find the right sports streamer package that offers YES/MSG. And the streaming quality isn't nearly as good as cable TV quality.

So choose your poison. Except the only choice, if you want to watch the same sports content you have always watched for the last 30 years is to BUY MORE PACKAGES. PAY MORE.

Don't even think it's any different than that.

now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.

Matey.

I have $145 to play with if I want and I can turn that budget on and off as I please at any time without having to speaking to customer service.

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now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter.

You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.

no matter how you want to spin it. It's costing us more money.

forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there.

NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.

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In comment 16516012 UConn4523 said: Quote: now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter. You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.

No im not, im getting considerably more. 10 years ago I didn’t have Max and it’s full library, I didn’t have all the other services and their content. I can now add YES and still be under the $145. I don’t watch the Knicks or Hockey but if I really wanted to, FUBO is an option.

In 2014 I was paying for a bundled package of shit and rarely watched anything more than 5-10 channels. Now I can pick whatever I want at any time and scale my costs whenever I want.

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forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there. NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.

LOL, going from complaining to getting less than we used to to complaining about too much being a problem is... something.

In comment 16516047 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16516035 djm said: Quote: In comment 16516012 UConn4523 said: Quote: now I pay $80 for internet and mix and match whatever streaming I want on top of being able to watch it on all devices on the go anywhere in the US. It’s fine if that does nothing for you but you can’t leave out all of the big value props like they don’t matter. You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore. No im not, im getting considerably more. 10 years ago I didn’t have Max and it’s full library, I didn’t have all the other services and their content. I can now add YES and still be under the $145. I don’t watch the Knicks or Hockey but if I really wanted to, FUBO is an option. In 2014 I was paying for a bundled package of shit and rarely watched anything more than 5-10 channels. Now I can pick whatever I want at any time and scale my costs whenever I want.

Fine, there are still many cons to cutting the cord and going full stream. If you're a NYR, NYK and NYY fan it's all but off the table or basically costs the same or more and you're getting less.

To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives. I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports.

there are certainly cons, but most of them are negligible for the vast majority of people. It’s hit/miss for sports fans, that’ll get worked out in time.

We can all debate our preferences and what convenience means to us. Most of us are just trying to share information based on reality.

For $79.99/M Fubo TV carries 189 channels with 1000 hours of DVR. And includes your local affiliates, YES, MSG, SNY, ESPN(s), NFLN, and a bunch of other sports networks.
Fubo Channel Lineup - ( New Window )

In comment 16515738 Eric from BBI said:

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Albert Breer @AlbertBreer So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ... • Peacock • Amazon Prime • Netflix • ESPN+ Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 1h There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over.

These days everybody seems to have a smart TV (WiFi capable) and the money to pay multiple subscriptions.

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In comment 16515738 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Albert Breer @AlbertBreer So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ... • Peacock • Amazon Prime • Netflix • ESPN+ Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 1h There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over. These days everybody seems to have a smart TV (WiFi capable) and the money to pay multiple subscriptions.

Do you really want to pay for access to couple games per year on multiple streaming services?

Adam Silver is sitting on some bar stool in Manhattan saying, ‘Really Roger? Christmas was our day!!!!’

In comment 16516121 section125 said:

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In comment 16516116 GeofromNJ said: Quote: In comment 16515738 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Albert Breer @AlbertBreer So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ... • Peacock • Amazon Prime • Netflix • ESPN+ Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 1h There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over. These days everybody seems to have a smart TV (WiFi capable) and the money to pay multiple subscriptions. Do you really want to pay for access to couple games per year on multiple streaming services?

You can sign up the day before and cancel it the next day if you really want to watch that game. Is it inconvenient? I guess. Is it a hardship requiring all this handwringing? I don’t think anyone can say that with a straight face.

“Cancel membership” must have had a blast haggling their DTV/Cable bill each year/season.

In comment 16516192 Chris in Philly said:

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In comment 16516121 section125 said: Quote: In comment 16516116 GeofromNJ said: Quote: In comment 16515738 Eric from BBI said: Quote: Albert Breer @AlbertBreer So now we'll have games streaming exclusively on ... • Peacock • Amazon Prime • Netflix • ESPN+ Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 1h There was a time when having NFL Sunday Ticket and a cable subscription would get you access to every game. That time is over. These days everybody seems to have a smart TV (WiFi capable) and the money to pay multiple subscriptions. Do you really want to pay for access to couple games per year on multiple streaming services? You can sign up the day before and cancel it the next day if you really want to watch that game. Is it inconvenient? I guess. Is it a hardship requiring all this handwringing? I don’t think anyone can say that with a straight face.

+1. Mountain out of a mole hill. Are these people 90 years old?

I'm just as good watching random NBA games than random NFL games.

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forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there. NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage.

No one is forced to watch anything. Im a die hard football fan, most of my family enjoys watching football too. But im not a caveman. I can leave the game off if something else is happening

If it was the Giants on, it would only ADD to my familys holiday festivities, not detract.

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In comment 16515900 christian said: Quote: For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice. Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M Prime Video - $8.99/M Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M ESPN+ - 10.99/M OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there. What is so hard to process? How on earth some of you need to be taught why this sucks I will never know. Oe more time, every time a game that was normally accessible via network TV, cable TV or the football package gets moved to yet a new outlet that costs money, the fan now has to pay more money. 10 years ago you simply needed cable and network TV to watch every prime time game. This is a stone cold fact. Now, that same poor slob that still pays for network TV and cable TV can no longer watch every prime time game. It aint hard to figure out.

??????????????????????????????????

It's not 10 years ago? Theres less poor slobs that even are subscribed to pay TV than you think. Accessibility, a fine and decent point.

I'm lost about "it aint hard to figure out"....many have "figured out" that there is no reason to pay cable companies anymore...

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In comment 16516042 djm said: Quote: forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there. NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage. LOL, going from complaining to getting less than we used to to complaining about too much being a problem is... something.

Yea, putting NFL games on xmas on a fucking wednesday is awesome.

Boot lick all you want. The truth is right in front of you. Keep on paying.

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“Cancel membership” must have had a blast haggling their DTV/Cable bill each year/season.

That isnt the point.

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In comment 16516042 djm said: Quote: forcing NFL die hard fans to have to pick fights with their non NFL fan spouse on Christmas. No one wants to be maneuvering around opening presents and cooking and driving just to watch a stupid ass NFL game. And then the wife gets pissy about it. Not mine, but she's out there. NFL Games on a Christmas Wednesday is just fucking garbage. No one is forced to watch anything. Im a die hard football fan, most of my family enjoys watching football too. But im not a caveman. I can leave the game off if something else is happening If it was the Giants on, it would only ADD to my familys holiday festivities, not detract.

That too....not the point

In comment 16516332 The Dude said:

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In comment 16515983 djm said: Quote: In comment 16515900 christian said: Quote: For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice. Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M Prime Video - $8.99/M Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M ESPN+ - 10.99/M OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there. What is so hard to process? How on earth some of you need to be taught why this sucks I will never know. Oe more time, every time a game that was normally accessible via network TV, cable TV or the football package gets moved to yet a new outlet that costs money, the fan now has to pay more money. 10 years ago you simply needed cable and network TV to watch every prime time game. This is a stone cold fact. Now, that same poor slob that still pays for network TV and cable TV can no longer watch every prime time game. It aint hard to figure out. ?????????????????????????????????? It's not 10 years ago? Theres less poor slobs that even are subscribed to pay TV than you think. Accessibility, a fine and decent point. I'm lost about "it aint hard to figure out"....many have "figured out" that there is no reason to pay cable companies anymore...

One more time. Everyone. ONE MORE TIME!

How much money did one have to spend 10-20 years ago if they wanted to watch EVERY NFL game? Shit, forget every game...how much did someone have to pay if they simply wanted to watch every PRIME TIME game? How much? Let's take a stab and say it was about 100 bucks per month. You had to have basic cable and maybe one more channel like NFL network. So lets say it was about 150. That guarnteed you could watch every sunday night game and every monday night game and every TNF game. And you got the usual shit on Sundays and even redzone. LEt's say 150.

Try paying 150 (or whatever the number was from back then) now and see how many prime time games you miss.

You have to spend more money for the same product. Not just inflation either. If I want every prime time game and still keep the basic cable TV package--let's put that # at around 180-190 (inflation that's fine not the complaint) you still need to then pay for PRIME (TNF) and NF. So add in another 30-40 bucks per month.

Bye. Good luck.

and peacock!

MOre options! Except you didn't need those extra options back 10 years prior now did you.

Enjoy your options.

You guys must have some crazy add ons to be spending so much. I had directv up until they lost the sunday ticket (2011-summer of 2022). I paid $111 with the package that included big ten acc, etc... sunday ticket, 3 wireless genies.

My youtubetv bill is cheaper by a little even though I'm not paying rental fees anymore, but I get way less sports channels that I used to watch

because one's perspective is important here. I have always liked or preferred the cable TV (fios) TV viewing medium over streaming platforms, especially when it comes to live sports. Movies are fine on any platform for the most part. But as a live sports fan, I don't think it's even close. I can watch the Knicks on one channel, DVred and delayed or live and bounce back n forth to another live or delayed sporting even and never miss a beat. The interface and transitions between one to the other is seamless. Also, I don't care what anyone says, the quality overall is simply better. Better picture. No buffering issues (and I have a lightning fast connection at home) and again, try switching back n forth between two events on a streaming platform--if one event it on one streaming service like NF and the other event it on Prime, you cannot even switch without delays and effort and sloppiness. EVen if the events are on the same streamer it isn't seamless at all.

If you like cable or fios TV you will never want to cut any cords and that doesn't even incude the logistics or lack of certain local sports coverages with all the different streaming services and make no mistake they do exist. Finding the perfect goldilocks zone with the cord cutting strategy is next to impossible and even if you find it, you're paying essentially the same cost and losing out on the cable TV (DVR) viewing experience. If you don't need or prefer that part then you are in luck. Cutting the cord might just be for you. And then you wouldn't be as pissed off about these latest pro sports TV developments but even then, it sucks. Stop spreading these events all over the place like this.

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You guys must have some crazy add ons to be spending so much. I had directv up until they lost the sunday ticket (2011-summer of 2022). I paid $111 with the package that included big ten acc, etc... sunday ticket, 3 wireless genies. My youtubetv bill is cheaper by a little even though I'm not paying rental fees anymore, but I get way less sports channels that I used to watch

My FIOS bill/deal really isn't that bad either. I get tons of content and premium channels and I think we pay under 200 which includes an awesome internet speed/connection and of course, the DVR.

Fios cable is better than streaming shit if you watch sports and like to skip the BS.

as the only thing people want - that’s not reality unless you are speaking exclusively for you. And if that is true and it’s all you want than FUBO + Netflix + Amazon (you have to factor out the cost for other Prime benefits you are also getting) + Peacock is under $120 a month + internet and you are under $200 a month. Thats less than my modest package with Optimum 10 years ago.

You also keep talking about DVR and FUBO, YTTV etc have it. The one off platforms don’t, yet, but that’s a tiny portion of the games and fairly irrelevant.

I think you are working off of incomplete or bad info because some of the stuff you are saying just isn’t true. I can very literally pull up a game I DVRd earlier this week on my phone right now and start watching it.

DJM, we all get you prefer cable. That's awesome. But it seems like you are stating your opinion as fact, which isn't useful to anyone reading this thread and looking for information.

I really encourage you to take a look at the Fubo Pro Package I linked previously.

- $79.99/M
- 1000 Hours of DVR
- 3 households can watch at the same time, up to 10 devices
- 180 channels

What is the thing that is missing between what you want and this package?
Link - ( New Window )

???

There two topics get conflated in this thread:

1) Is there a streaming package provider that has the same features and programming (including access to all local sports) for a lower price than traditional cable?

2) Annoyance that the out-of-market national games are no longer available on cable and network TV.

Keep in mind, when a local game is the national game, it's required to be broadcast locally. So if you're in the NY broadcast area and the Giants are on Peacock/Amazon/etc. you can watch that game on broadcast.

I give up.

The NFL has elected to spread their games to literally 3 different streamers forcing consumers to spend yet more more money for the same # of games. JFC guys, are you the fucking CEO of prime or NF?

You win. Carry on. Nothing to see here.

I know how streamers work. I know you can DVR shit there too. I SUBSCRIBE TO THESE PLATFORMS.

You want this one that bad. Have it.

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There two topics get conflated in this thread: 1) Is there a streaming package provider that has the same features and programming (including access to all local sports) for a lower price than traditional cable? 2) Annoyance that the out-of-market national games are no longer available on cable and network TV. Keep in mind, when a local game is the national game, it's required to be broadcast locally. So if you're in the NY broadcast area and the Giants are on Peacock/Amazon/etc. you can watch that game on broadcast.

NOTHING is being conflated. Some of you just don't want to acknowledge yet another cash grab death by 1000 cut move from the NFL. The consumer sees it. You just don't want to.

Enjoy.

PS I know the Jets and Giants are exempt from this shit. Keep trying.

why are you saying you can’t?

Signing up for and managing separate services can be a little annoying. No argument there. The rest doesn’t add up and that’s what I’m trying to understand.

even though I was sold a bill of goods when YES told us "you want all the Yankee games that aren't on local TV, here buy this product" only to find out today we don't get all those Yankee games anymore now do we. Now I have to pay for something additional.

But that's just more choices! It was all so obvious....

I pay for the streamers. I don't really give a fuck. I can still watch Yankees on prime. I can still watch the BS playoff game on peacock. Same with NF or NFL on prime. I get them all. I have the money to spend.

It's still bullshit. I can do math.

Of course the NFL is greedy. Of course I’d love to pay as little as possible, who wouldn’t? But I also enjoy the benefits of streaming vs cable, which you apparently do not. And that’s fine.

Better than cable.

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Of course the NFL is greedy. Of course I’d love to pay as little as possible, who wouldn’t? But I also enjoy the benefits of streaming vs cable, which you apparently do not. And that’s fine.

Uh, you guys did! I came here merely lamenting how this sucks for the die hard football fan because it's gonna cost us more and the streamer fan boi police here came raining down on how out of touch I am.

Just move on. lol.

In comment 16516874 IchabodGiant said:

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Better than cable.

Nope it's not. It's merely mobile. It's not better. Not by any stretch.

In comment 16516877 djm said:

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In comment 16516874 IchabodGiant said: Quote: Better than cable. Nope it's not. It's merely mobile. It's not better. Not by any stretch.

Thumbs up.

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In comment 16516874 IchabodGiant said: Quote: Better than cable. Nope it's not. It's merely mobile. It's not better. Not by any stretch.

I would agree with djm here.

Mobile, yes.

Better? Not in my experience.

since it's implied that I represent the minority. No. Most fans watch sports via traditional methods.

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During an April 2023 survey, it was found that around 70 percent of respondents who watched sports preferred to follow the action on traditional TV.

So most people aren't happy with this development and even the streaming soldier boys are not better off with this development. You all own regular tv and services or most of you do. Even then, can't the NFL sell out its games to ONLY one streaming platform? They have to sell out to 3 or 4?

No one begrudges anyone from preferring streaming services to cable. Like I said, I use them too. Streaming has its place and benefits. This latest sell out isn't benefitting the same number of people that are now asked to pay more money. Not even close. Just stop.

You seem like a bit of a troubled person. All anyone is trying to do is relay facts to help folks out with making choices.

You've made a number of incorrect assertions on this thread. You've implied there wasn't a streaming service with access to the local broadcasters of the four major sports, and that is incorrect.

You've implied the streaming package providers do not provide DVR, which is incorrect.

If the basis of your anger is simply that some of the national, out-of-market games are now on the standalone streaming services, just stick to that.

that's your fucking retort? Annoyed is not the same as troubled. Yes I was annoyed at having to post the same thing 10 times just to make a point.

I am not troubled at all but thx for the condescending asshole remark. Next time you call someone troubled make sure it's not in person.

In comment 16516900 christian said:

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You seem like a bit of a troubled person. All anyone is trying to do is relay facts to help folks out with making choices. You've made a number of incorrect assertions on this thread. You've implied there wasn't a streaming service with access to the local broadcasters of the four major sports, and that is incorrect. You've implied the streaming package providers do not provide DVR, which is incorrect. If the basis of your anger is simply that some of the national, out-of-market games are now on the standalone streaming services, just stick to that.

And all those things are false. I didn't imply anything, You did. I actually stated there are methods in place that allow for someone so stream more or less the same shit available on cable. I actually said that numerous times.

I said this is yet another death by 1000 cuts method to bleed the fan out of more money. Then you came along championing for streaming services as if you fucking own the stock.

What a fucking dumb thing to argue over. Thx radar.

For those of us interested in collaborating on the best options to watch all the games, this what I believe will do it for a local viewer to watch all local and the national games. Did I miss anything?

Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M
Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M
Prime Video - $8.99/M
Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M
Fubo TV Plus - $79.99/M

For a total of $107.95/M tops. But I as those services are a la carte and no-contract, you can take them only for the times you need them.

In comment 16516927 djm said:

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And all those things are false. I didn't imply anything, You did. I actually stated there are methods in place that allow for someone so stream more or less the same shit available on cable. I actually said that numerous times.

djm on DVR:

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To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives.

djm on access to the major 4 sports

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I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports.

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You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore.

So just to be clear you actually didn't mean those things you said, correct?

streaming sports isn't as seamless as sports viewing on cable tv. Cable TV is simply a better more consistent medium, especially or specifically with regards to sports viewing and DVR service notably, switching between live or delayed events.

Watch a Knicks and Yankee game simultaneously on cable TV with a DVR. IT's seamless. Do the same on a streaming platform(s)--it's anything but.

Don't blame anyone for preferring one to the other. Also, my cable tv bill isn't even that bad when bundled with the internet high speed. It's worth the cost. And if it wasn't, i'd gladly switch to all streams and still be bitching today that the NFL pimped itself out to yet another outlet.

In comment 16516942 christian said:

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In comment 16516927 djm said: Quote: And all those things are false. I didn't imply anything, You did. I actually stated there are methods in place that allow for someone so stream more or less the same shit available on cable. I actually said that numerous times. djm on DVR: Quote: To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives. djm on access to the major 4 sports Quote: I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports. Quote: You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore. So just to be clear you actually didn't mean those things you said, correct?

Yes I said those things. WTF does that have to do with anything you said? The DVR services on a streamer, when you're trying to watch 2 things at once ISN'T as seamless! I know DVR exists in stream land. I have the products dude. Again 100 times now, I know what each product offers. I have used them all extensively.

go dry hump a fire TV lol.

Your issue is jumping back and forth between recorded programs?

just to make a point that isn't relevant. My point was and is simple. You want to debate the virtues of streaming be my guest. I know what they offer. I have done hours and hours of research. I don't want to cut the cord because the alternative isn't as enjoyable and the cost savings isn't as great as maybe some here might think. The juice aint worth the squeeze. You don't need to sell me or enlighten me on what the platforms offer. I knw what they offer but thanks for info anyway.

ALl I said was it sucks that the NFL random prime time game has been sold to yet another potential monthly expense. Sheese.

your costs are wrong, for starters, among other things. If you took a step back you’d see that I’m not arguing for the greed of the NFL, rather, that the costs are still less than what I used to pay despite it being a cash grab. Christian broke down the costs, as have I. You are moving goalposts and claiming things that we didn’t say.

In sum, the nfl is greedy. Streaming is convenient for me with better picture quality and is set up well for the future. The cost differences are less for some, more for others but overall fairly negligible when you factor in cancelling whenever you want. Switching between several apps can be annoying but ultimately a 5-10 second task, same with canceling.

Did I forget anything.

Small bit of advice, if you want to debate facts and add value to the discussion, you should edit your posts for accuracy and brevity. And take quaalude.

Do you think it's enjoyable and respectful to others when you spam up threads with jumbled, and inaccurate posts?

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Your issue is jumping back and forth between recorded programs?

I mean, yes, that's a big one. I DVR shit all the time. I coach youth sports and this time of year don't get home until 8ish or later when the games are already under way. Even during the NFL season I dvr so many games. I can watch a sunday night game and switch over to the Knicks or Rangers, live or also recorded. It's awesome for me. I get to skip commercials. I can squeeze in 2 games at once in the span of 1 hour.

That't not all of it but a big component. Also, admittedly, I just like cable TV.

Didn't mean to tell you to dry hump a fire tv. That would be kind of awkward anyway.

In comment 16516966 christian said:

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Small bit of advice, if you want to debate facts and add value to the discussion, you should edit your posts for accuracy and brevity. And take quaalude. Do you think it's enjoyable and respectful to others when you spam up threads with jumbled, and inaccurate posts?

Or, maybe just ignore my posts.

Find me one thing I said that wasn't accurate? You're too defensive about precious streaming services.

In comment 16516965 UConn4523 said:

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your costs are wrong, for starters, among other things. If you took a step back you’d see that I’m not arguing for the greed of the NFL, rather, that the costs are still less than what I used to pay despite it being a cash grab. Christian broke down the costs, as have I. You are moving goalposts and claiming things that we didn’t say. In sum, the nfl is greedy. Streaming is convenient for me with better picture quality and is set up well for the future. The cost differences are less for some, more for others but overall fairly negligible when you factor in cancelling whenever you want. Switching between several apps can be annoying but ultimately a 5-10 second task, same with canceling. Did I forget anything.

Fine, you're paying less.

It costs LESS these days.

Got it.

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In comment 16516966 christian said:

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Small bit of advice, if you want to debate facts and add value to the discussion, you should edit your posts for accuracy and brevity. And take quaalude. Do you think it's enjoyable and respectful to others when you spam up threads with jumbled, and inaccurate posts?

Better yet, take the fire TV and shove it up your ass instead. How's that for accurate. And respectful.

In comment 16516972 djm said:

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Find me one thing I said that wasn't accurate? You're too defensive about precious streaming services.

Again, all everyone else is trying to achieve in this thread is relay facts and options.

This is seemingly a very emotional issue for you. I have no idea why.

As I posted above, these are two patently inaccurate assertions you made previously.
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you just aggravated me a little bit by twisting shit around or forcing me to reiterate the same points over and over.

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The thread concerns the NFL adding more games to yet another streamer. I said it sucks because it's inevitably gonna cost us all more money. I then clearly said both outlets (streaming and cable TV) have their pros and cons and I don't blame anyone from preferring one to the other. Also said facts show most NFL and sports fans watch sports via traditional TV. Then pointed out pretty clearly why I prefer the DVR services on cable TV vs streaming. Then was told to take a quaalude. Got any? They are next to impossible to find these days.

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In comment 16516972 djm said: Quote: Find me one thing I said that wasn't accurate? You're too defensive about precious streaming services. Again, all everyone else is trying to achieve in this thread is relay facts and options. This is seemingly a very emotional issue for you. I have no idea why. As I posted above, these are two patently inaccurate assertions you made previously. Link - ( New Window )

This is what they call gas lighting someone. You're being a dick. I explained my stance rather clearly. Maybe you should stop now.

is this what you want?

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To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives.

You need to be correct or told you're right, that badly? Fine, the wording there was a little off, I meant to say the DVR service on the streaming giants is not as seamless or efficient or whatever fucking word you want me to use, it is not as enjoyable than the cable tv version. Happy now?

I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports.--I stand by this. Each choice comes with a cost and sacrifice. You don't need to sell me on anything.

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You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore. This is just opinion but I stand by it.


We can agree to disagree. Thx for the most annoying debate ever.

In comment 16516942 christian said:

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In comment 16516927 djm said: Quote: And all those things are false. I didn't imply anything, You did. I actually stated there are methods in place that allow for someone so stream more or less the same shit available on cable. I actually said that numerous times. djm on DVR: Quote: To me, no DVR is a deal breaker and there are many other negatives. djm on access to the major 4 sports Quote: I've checked into it so many times now. Cutting the cord is untenable or not financially viable it if you're a fan of the 4 pro sports. Quote: You're getting less than you got 10 years ago. Also, if you're a Knicks Rangers Yankees fan you aint watching them anymore. So just to be clear you actually didn't mean those things you said, correct?

LOL. Classic djm.

i still dont want to cut the cord and that wasn't the point here anyway.

In comment 16516712 djm said:

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In comment 16516332 The Dude said: Quote: In comment 16515983 djm said: Quote: In comment 16515900 christian said: Quote: For reasons beyond my comprehension this subject has an emotional component I don't understand. What I do understand is price and choice. Netflix Standard with Ads - $6.99/M Peacock Premium with Ads - $5.99/M Prime Video - $8.99/M Paramount+ Essential - $5.99/M ESPN+ - 10.99/M OTA HD Antenna - $9.99 one time cost For $40 a month you can get a great package of content. What's the most exciting is that ESPN will be introducing their live stream product next year and if they buy NFLN, that means MNF and ad hoc NFLN games will be included there. What is so hard to process? How on earth some of you need to be taught why this sucks I will never know. Oe more time, every time a game that was normally accessible via network TV, cable TV or the football package gets moved to yet a new outlet that costs money, the fan now has to pay more money. 10 years ago you simply needed cable and network TV to watch every prime time game. This is a stone cold fact. Now, that same poor slob that still pays for network TV and cable TV can no longer watch every prime time game. It aint hard to figure out. ?????????????????????????????????? It's not 10 years ago? Theres less poor slobs that even are subscribed to pay TV than you think. Accessibility, a fine and decent point. I'm lost about "it aint hard to figure out"....many have "figured out" that there is no reason to pay cable companies anymore... One more time. Everyone. ONE MORE TIME! How much money did one have to spend 10-20 years ago if they wanted to watch EVERY NFL game? Shit, forget every game...how much did someone have to pay if they simply wanted to watch every PRIME TIME game? How much? Let's take a stab and say it was about 100 bucks per month. You had to have basic cable and maybe one more channel like NFL network. So lets say it was about 150. That guarnteed you could watch every sunday night game and every monday night game and every TNF game. And you got the usual shit on Sundays and even redzone. LEt's say 150. Try paying 150 (or whatever the number was from back then) now and see how many prime time games you miss. You have to spend more money for the same product. Not just inflation either. If I want every prime time game and still keep the basic cable TV package--let's put that # at around 180-190 (inflation that's fine not the complaint) you still need to then pay for PRIME (TNF) and NF. So add in another 30-40 bucks per month. Bye. Good luck.

Lmao, one more time....cable bills have been fairly high for over a decade now...what the hell are you paying for?

I've saved money, relative to market, and still watch every game. You note inflation, but I'm not sure you understand it............

Put the price of watching nfl games up against any other popular product on a chart the past 20 years

is misinterpret talking about pricing and changing viewer behavior as being pro greedy NFL. No shit they did this for money. Why are you lashing out on people on an internet forum.

The Dude....shhhhh...djm can't hear you over his ranting and raving like an old dinosaur.

Who know all this time...it's cheaper.

Thx for the insight. This plays like a fucking Xbox PS4 debate.

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is misinterpret talking about pricing and changing viewer behavior as being pro greedy NFL. No shit they did this for money. Why are you lashing out on people on an internet forum.

Ok. Why so mad.

I'll make sure to only complain about the shit you deem worthy.

Enjoy your streams.

but I'm fairly certain that in a few years, if you re-read everything your saying to strangers on the internet.....you'll be in severe pain from cringing.

If you're angry about something else in life and you're taking it out on us..knock it off.

Make respect cool again.

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Who know all this time...it's cheaper. Thx for the insight. This plays like a fucking Xbox PS4 debate.

I don't necessarily understand the comparison but it being a video game console debate tells me everything.

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In comment 16517060 djm said: Quote: Who know all this time...it's cheaper. Thx for the insight. This plays like a fucking Xbox PS4 debate. I don't necessarily understand the comparison but it being a video game console debate tells me everything.

I hope he keeps his cool a lot more when he's coaching those youngins in youth sports.

I haven't said a thing to you. The only person I got a little sour with was Christian and that's really because we were going back n forth again. I generally don't get too nasty here with anyone and try to end things on a positive note. I generally treat people with respect. Maybe mind your own and let this one go.

nice job.

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nice job.

No, I'm quitting now. Enjoy the rest of your day.

No one is gaslighting you. You littered the thread with a bunch of: at best difficult to connect statements, and at worst contradictory and inaccurate statements.

I get the sense no one cares about your opinion (I certainly don't). All anyone cares about is the accuracy of the information shared.

For local fans, who want access to all their local team games and out-of-market national NFL games, there is a solution that costs at a maximum $104/m.

Some of the upsides for many customers will be lower costs, more content, and the option to turn off services when they're not needed.

One of the downsides is a decentralized solution.

I have said far worse on other threads around here. Come off as a raging loon at times, but it's all in good fun and just me venting. This thread is tame in comparison and touches on such an open and shut case yet a few here are so defensive that they are pouring and parsing out my words....

People really love their streaming services. I will tread more carefully next time.

I agree, you regularly embarrass yourself and make inaccurate statements. We make fun of you behind your back for it.

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I agree, you regularly embarrass yourself and make inaccurate statements. We make fun of you behind your back for it.

You're gonna keep going I see. Are you done?

are you making fun of posters? Some secret website? Or are you making fun of internet posters to your friends and family?

You can do better than that. Maybe when you remove the fire TV from your ass you will think more clearly.

The special members portal in BBI opens up -- but only for posters who:

- can edit and consolidate their thoughts in a single posts
- have a loose understanding of the salary cap
- don't ramble, declare they're done, but still keep going

We sit around, stream games, and understand how to operate DVRs. It's awesome.

Try it once in a while. It actually works quite nicely.