By a shuttle bus around 5am. Scottie attempted to navigate around the traffic by driving through the media. Was told to stop and supposedly drove another 10-20 yards, officer attached himself to side of vehicle, Scottie stopped and officer reached through window to grab Scottie’s arm. They pulled him from vehicle, placed him up against it and arrested him.
Let’s be clear that Scheffler had nothing to do with car accident
at the entrance to Valhalla. He was ordered to stop by a cop in yellow rain gear, continued to roll up slowly, cop got upset and yanked him out of the car, detained him, and took him to jail. Some ESPN staff were present and said he apologized and said he didn't realize it was an officer due to the rain gear but that the whole scene was "heated".
Sounds like it can be explained by confusion with perhaps some entitlement, exacerbated by an angry cop.
RE: Apparently he tried to pass the scene of a fatal accident
at the entrance to Valhalla. He was ordered to stop by a cop in yellow rain gear, continued to roll up slowly, cop got upset and yanked him out of the car, detained him, and took him to jail. Some ESPN staff were present and said he apologized and said he didn't realize it was an officer due to the rain gear but that the whole scene was "heated".
Sounds like it can be explained by confusion with perhaps some entitlement, exacerbated by an angry cop.
that the police officer was angry and escalated the situation. Seems to me that a well trained officer should have been trying to deescalate the situation.
Not a great excuse, but it seems that Scheffler thought he was dealing with security, a rent a cop, not the real police.
Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
Sounds like they were securing the scene and he ignored them.
According to ESPN, the LEOs were letting players, media and staff bypass the traffic backup to get into the course. Scheffler was in a courtesy care with tournament markings. Apparently there were LEOs and tournament security people there. ESPN's reporter heard Scheffler telling the police he didn't know it was a cop.
Sounds like a whole lot of misunderstanding that should have been handled with simple logic, by both sides.
be interesting to see how the legal system proceeds
Second-degree assault of a police officer, which is a felony
Third-degree criminal mischief
Reckless driving
Disregarding traffic signals from an officer directing traffic
RE: be interesting to see how the legal system proceeds
Second-degree assault of a police officer, which is a felony
Third-degree criminal mischief
Reckless driving
Disregarding traffic signals from an officer directing traffic
It's claimed that the officers had no idea who Scheffler was when they first detained him. ESPN reporter Jeff Darlington claimed: 'One police officer came up to me with his pad and said - pen in hand - "Can you tell me the name of the person we've just arrested?"'
As the golfer was led away, Darlington - who filmed the incident - attempted to get the attention of officers. He was warned: 'Back up or you're going to jail also!
... I had a family member... (who was in the depths of drug addiction, and most certainly had committed a crime)... try to flee from police in their car.
This family member simply went forward and away from police attempting to run her down... to be clear, she did not in any way shape or form drive her vehicle at police... but one officer decided to try to launch himself on top of her windshield like a Hollywood movie. This officer felt on to the pavement.
My relation drove for about 50 yards but then (finally) better judgement took over and she stopped, after which she was promptly arrested. Among other charges, she was charged with "aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer"
Fortunately for my family member, there was video of the incident... (it was in a retail space parking lot)... and the locality had to drop the agg assault charge. Otherwise, she would have been facing serious time in prison.
In that situation, if someone is clearly indicating for you to stop as you drive on a median, the person hangs on your car to prevent you from driving and you continue on and then when you do stop, you wait 30 seconds according to reports from opening the window and the reason is “I didn’t know he was a cop”?
Wouldn’t most people pause for a second in that situation and briefly interact with the person to find out why they’re attempting to stop you from proceeding?
Or do you just assume, fuck it, he’s probably not a cop, I’ll do what I want. Kind of the definition of entitlement
If the video circulating is the scene, it's pretty difficult to believe he didn't know the guy in the bright yellow reflective emergency jacket, surrounded by all of the other guys in bright yellow reflective emergency jackets, standing by the countless police cars -- was a cop.
If the video circulating is the scene, it's pretty difficult to believe he didn't know the guy in the bright yellow reflective emergency jacket, surrounded by all of the other guys in bright yellow reflective emergency jackets, standing by the countless police cars -- was a cop.
I think b/c he was 50 yards from the entrance, its a matter of PGA personnel directing players in vs police. The lanes were separated for traffic and golf club entrance
Regardless of what transpired, he seems entitled AF.
Have you seen the video? There was no entitlement at all. He got out of the car, cooperated and was put in the police car. No yelling "do you know who I am"
If the video circulating is the scene, it's pretty difficult to believe he didn't know the guy in the bright yellow reflective emergency jacket, surrounded by all of the other guys in bright yellow reflective emergency jackets, standing by the countless police cars -- was a cop.
It’s being reported that officers were letting golfers go and that what Sheffler was told. However - the cop who arrested him wasn’t part of the unit. And didn’t know anything about the golfers.
he wanted street cred. he's got the whole Ned Flanders "god boy" thing down and wanted a little more Woods/Mickelson bad-ass to his image so he could appeal to a broader audience. especially relevant seeing Harrison Butker in the news, lol.
Will remind Kentucky of how much $ this tournament brings to their economy while asking, you do want us to return in say five years so kindly drop all charges against the #1 player in the world. Easy Peasy.
Guy went to jail and got booked over a traffic flow miscommunication right outside the course. Even if there was a hothead cop, there should be some adult supervision somewhere.
"Hey, there is a lot of confusion out here and we just needed you to stop"
"Oh sorry about that, I was told I could continue driving like the rest of the players"
"OK, you're clear to proceed. Please be more mindful of police direction in the future."
It doesn't matter what someone else told you over the phone, if a police officer instructs you to stop just do it. You don't have all of the information on what's changed in a chaotic environment. The police are dealing with a situation where someone has just been killed. I think they're best equipped to determine where you and shouldn't drive in that moment.
I don't think it's a punishable crime, but it's certainly not the cop's fault.
... I had a family member... (who was in the depths of drug addiction, and most certainly had committed a crime)... try to flee from police in their car.
This family member simply went forward and away from police attempting to run her down... to be clear, she did not in any way shape or form drive her vehicle at police... but one officer decided to try to launch himself on top of her windshield like a Hollywood movie. This officer felt on to the pavement.
My relation drove for about 50 yards but then (finally) better judgement took over and she stopped, after which she was promptly arrested. Among other charges, she was charged with "aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer"
Fortunately for my family member, there was video of the incident... (it was in a retail space parking lot)... and the locality had to drop the agg assault charge. Otherwise, she would have been facing serious time in prison.
I wish I could say this was an outlier, but alas, I know better.
RE: Apparently he tried to pass the scene of a fatal accident
at the entrance to Valhalla. He was ordered to stop by a cop in yellow rain gear, continued to roll up slowly, cop got upset and yanked him out of the car, detained him, and took him to jail. Some ESPN staff were present and said he apologized and said he didn't realize it was an officer due to the rain gear but that the whole scene was "heated".
Sounds like it can be explained by confusion with perhaps some entitlement, exacerbated by an angry cop.
According to an ESPN article, the accident was a block away from where Scottie was stopped. Traffic patterns were redirected and I think this is where the confusion came in. A big misunderstanding.
Statement from Scottie Scheffler’s Louisville attorney, Steve Romines:
“In the early hours of the morning in advance of his tee time Scottie was going to the course to begin his pre round preparation. Due to the combination of event traffic and a traffic fatality in the area it was a very chaotic situation He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer and driving a marked player’s vehicle with credentials visible. In the confusion,Scottie is alleged to have disregarded a different officer’s traffic signals resulting in these charges. Multiple eyewitnesses have confirmed that he did not do anything wrong but was simply proceeding as directed. He stopped immediately upon being directed to and never at any point assaulted any officer with his vehicle. We will litigate this matter as needed and he will be completely exonerated. “
Why the heck would the cop grab onto a moving car??
That can't possibly be something they're instructed to do at the academy. Especially near a crowd of people. Just seems like a good way to get run over or cause a crash.
Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
There were about 20 cops there at a fatal accident, multiple cruisers with lights flashing, and all of the cops had orange vests with POLICE written on them. Scottie fucked up, but I think the cop overreacted too. It will resolve without too much trouble. He’ll likely pay a fine.
Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
There were about 20 cops there at a fatal accident, multiple cruisers with lights flashing, and all of the cops had orange vests with POLICE written on them. Scottie fucked up, but I think the cop overreacted too. It will resolve without too much trouble. He’ll likely pay a fine.
you realize he wasnt the only golfer to drive around the median and was told to go?
That can't possibly be something they're instructed to do at the academy. Especially near a crowd of people. Just seems like a good way to get run over or cause a crash.
He’s in a strange city early morning driving in what he assumes is event traffic and believes he’s doing as instructed to get into event.
Police officer is handling traffic at a fatality and concerned about that situation and traffic it has caused
From Schleffer’s perspective it’s a traffic guy, from policeman’s perspective it’s just some guy driving “around” instead of waiting. It’s extremely likely had either had an understanding of the other person’s perspective it doesn’t go as far as it did.
That said ultimately police are there to provide public safety and he’s not worried about a sports event. Any citizen driving a vehicle on a public road is responsible to civil authority above their sporting obligations and the responsibility falls on Schleffer.
He’s in a strange city early morning driving in what he assumes is event traffic and believes he’s doing as instructed to get into event.
Police officer is handling traffic at a fatality and concerned about that situation and traffic it has caused
From Schleffer’s perspective it’s a traffic guy, from policeman’s perspective it’s just some guy driving “around” instead of waiting. It’s extremely likely had either had an understanding of the other person’s perspective it doesn’t go as far as it did.
That said ultimately police are there to provide public safety and he’s not worried about a sports event. Any citizen driving a vehicle on a public road is responsible to civil authority above their sporting obligations and the responsibility falls on Schleffer.
every golfer did the same thing Scheffler did, he was told to go around and they would let you in..
The cop who stopped him was part of a different unit and by the soudns of it didnt know there was a golf tournament
With the number of officers present, chances are there's dash or body cam footage.
No matter what anyone else was told or did, nor what an officer may have instructed him to do before, you simply must obey an officer's direction. Whether that's a traffic or regular officer.
If he disobeyed an officer and created a dangerous situation, and that's verified, he should face serious consequences. If he did not, he'll face lesser consequences.
His attorney's statement isn't a factual record. So let's not act like it's the final word.
Darlington just said on SportsCenter that after a somewhat chaotic and confusing exchange as Scheffler tried to enter the property, Scheffler tried to continue driving into the golf course and the officer started yelling obscenities at him. Then when Scheffler rolled his window down, the officer reached into his vehicle and grabbed his arm.
He’s in a strange city early morning driving in what he assumes is event traffic and believes he’s doing as instructed to get into event.
Police officer is handling traffic at a fatality and concerned about that situation and traffic it has caused
From Schleffer’s perspective it’s a traffic guy, from policeman’s perspective it’s just some guy driving “around” instead of waiting. It’s extremely likely had either had an understanding of the other person’s perspective it doesn’t go as far as it did.
That said ultimately police are there to provide public safety and he’s not worried about a sports event. Any citizen driving a vehicle on a public road is responsible to civil authority above their sporting obligations and the responsibility falls on Schleffer.
every golfer did the same thing Scheffler did, he was told to go around and they would let you in..
The cop who stopped him was part of a different unit and by the soudns of it didnt know there was a golf tournament
That’s my point exactly. Scheffler thought he was following cops handling event traffic and what he was previously told, this cop he encountered was handling something entirely different.
And it doesn’t matter if others had done it, at that point in time he was asked not to. Traffic is fluid, things change and maybe the others doing it made the cop aware it was becoming more dangerous as a result. He was behind the wheel it’s his responsibility
i was holding off on comments until the experts weighed in
Kyle Lauletta
@kylelauletta
Hmmm 🤔 Trying to get to work maneuvering through traffic... Stopped by a cop screaming for him to get out the car. Handcuffed immediately. Sounds VERY familiar. Just another traffic cop trying to be a hero is all. #FreeScottieScheffler
Is it really a sensibility offending concept that one officer directed him to do something, and down the road a different officer directed him to do something different?
That's the functional equivalent of running a red light because the previous light was green.
Is it really a sensibility offending concept that one officer directed him to do something, and down the road a different officer directed him to do something different?
That's the functional equivalent of running a red light because the previous light was green.
Is getting pulled out of your car, handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a felony because the authorities were delivering mixed messages about traffic flow.
Are legitimately insane. This is a traffic incident that resulted in some nut job cop charging him with a felony. This could have been de escalated about 100x over
Is getting pulled out of your car, handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a felony because the authorities were delivering mixed messages about traffic flow.
Agreed. The cop goofed and overreacted. Unfortunately, an all too common LE response to that is to throw the book at you and then offer to be "lenient" & toss them in exchange for you not kicking up a fuss about their behavior.
Anyone here not stop and try to explain verbally, rather than continue
Is getting pulled out of your car, handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a felony because the authorities were delivering mixed messages about traffic flow.
This is completely dependent on the sequence of events being as he and his attorney has described, correct?
A different story if for instance he ignored the officer and nearly hit someone or endangered someone?
Is getting pulled out of your car, handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a felony because the authorities were delivering mixed messages about traffic flow.
This is completely dependent on the sequence of events being as he and his attorney has described, correct?
A different story if for instance he ignored the officer and nearly hit someone or endangered someone?
Also the ESPN reporter who saw the whole thing and didn't say anything about nearly hitting someone
Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
What's the difference if a cop or not? You're at the scene of an accident, you obey anyone controlling the area.
If the video circulating is the scene, it's pretty difficult to believe he didn't know the guy in the bright yellow reflective emergency jacket, surrounded by all of the other guys in bright yellow reflective emergency jackets, standing by the countless police cars -- was a cop.
I think b/c he was 50 yards from the entrance, its a matter of PGA personnel directing players in vs police. The lanes were separated for traffic and golf club entrance
There were a lot of course security people there too, and I'd be amazed if they weren't wearing yellow reflective vests in the dark, and standing near the police cars (because they couldn't not be standing by police cars.
It doesn't matter what someone else told you over the phone, if a police officer instructs you to stop just do it. You don't have all of the information on what's changed in a chaotic environment. The police are dealing with a situation where someone has just been killed. I think they're best equipped to determine where you and shouldn't drive in that moment.
I don't think it's a punishable crime, but it's certainly not the cop's fault.
Except the cop who arrested him was dealing the the traffic, not the investigation. And assaulting a police officer? Because the office grabbed onto his car? (And Scheffler stopped when that happened). That's just insane. Talk about trying to justify an overreaction.
And remember, according to ESPN, the cops were letting golfers and tournament official and staff to bypass the blocked traffic.
Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
What's the difference if a cop or not? You're at the scene of an accident, you obey anyone controlling the area.
Which they apparently did.
He was in a marked car and told to bypass the traffic just as others had.
hopefully cooler heads prevail. The cop was dealing with the scene of a death. I don't blame him for being amped up.
No, the cop was dealing with traffic. Investigators were dealing with the scene of the fatal accident. It's two different jobs. People investigating the accident don't handle traffic control.
Like I posted above -- with that many police cars and officers on the scene there will be footage.
If he proceeded as he was directed, and then misunderstood the directions of the next officer, that will be clear. If the officer acted recklessly and disproportionately, it will be addressed.
All of us are familiar with a chaotic traffic situation where there are multiple people giving you direction in a sequence. Just because the first guy passes you through, doesn't mean you don't have to pay attention or can ignore the next guy.
the cop is injured and went to the hospital....cops now claiming the Scheffler dragged the guy. Seems that what is being reported is not what the cops are saying. But as some have said, there likely will be body cam footage and video footage.
But in the dark and looking to see where to go.. easy to lose the moment.
Best to leave this until it gets sorted out. Three sides to every story. Doesn't sound like either one handled this very well.
I suspect the Louisville PD is going to be very happy/lucky that they did this to Scottie Scheffler and not someone a little more vindictive like a Pat Reed or Phil Mickelson
Shockingly, the Louisville PD has claimed not to have any video of the scene. I know it's hard to believe, but somehow the body cam was not functioning. Just more bad luck for the Louisville PD I guess.
awfully interesting there was 'no body cam' footage
but that's been postponed two weeks to 6/3, while in the meantime, the Louisville PD is investigating whether department policies were followed during the arrest.
and the officer, evidently unhappy that the vehicle is moving, running up to it and striking the driver side of the car.
There is nothing that shows the officer being hit/knocked down/dragged, and I suspect none of that happened. I doubt Scheffler would have continued to drive if any of that happened.
and the officer, evidently unhappy that the vehicle is moving, running up to it and striking the driver side of the car.
There is nothing that shows the officer being hit/knocked down/dragged, and I suspect none of that happened. I doubt Scheffler would have continued to drive if any of that happened. wlwt - ( New Window )
So what do we want to guess is the punishment for lying about a felony and falsifying an official police report? One slap on the wrist or two?
and the officer, evidently unhappy that the vehicle is moving, running up to it and striking the driver side of the car.
There is nothing that shows the officer being hit/knocked down/dragged, and I suspect none of that happened. I doubt Scheffler would have continued to drive if any of that happened. wlwt - ( New Window )
So what do we want to guess is the punishment for lying about a felony and falsifying an official police report? One slap on the wrist or two?
Officially, he's been "disciplined" in an unspecified manner for not having the bodycam on.
There are unofficial reports (at the link) the officer has been fired.
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Regardless of what transpired, he seems entitled AF.
That dude is a fucking moron.
(Checking notes)...Oh, that's me. Haha. Yeah, that was an idiotic post that looks even more idiotic tonight.
Sometimes it is better to wait before blaming - kind of like the cop in this incident.
You would think someone would have told him the players get marked courtesy cars.
I bet if he didn't trip himself and get hurt it never would have gone this far.
Between the eye witness reports and that video it’s 100% clear the psycho cop lied and then doubled down on an effing felony. I am just curious where all the people who where defending this clown show resulting in an arrest are. The fact it was scheffler the most soft spoken dude in professional sports made it that much more laughable.
Sounds like it can be explained by confusion with perhaps some entitlement, exacerbated by an angry cop.
Sounds like it can be explained by confusion with perhaps some entitlement, exacerbated by an angry cop.
Very well said. Combine all that and here we are.
Not a great excuse, but it seems that Scheffler thought he was dealing with security, a rent a cop, not the real police.
It was pushed back.
According to ESPN, the LEOs were letting players, media and staff bypass the traffic backup to get into the course. Scheffler was in a courtesy care with tournament markings. Apparently there were LEOs and tournament security people there. ESPN's reporter heard Scheffler telling the police he didn't know it was a cop.
Sounds like a whole lot of misunderstanding that should have been handled with simple logic, by both sides.
Second-degree assault of a police officer, which is a felony
Third-degree criminal mischief
Reckless driving
Disregarding traffic signals from an officer directing traffic
Second-degree assault of a police officer, which is a felony
Third-degree criminal mischief
Reckless driving
Disregarding traffic signals from an officer directing traffic
So absurd.
As the golfer was led away, Darlington - who filmed the incident - attempted to get the attention of officers. He was warned: 'Back up or you're going to jail also!
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This family member simply went forward and away from police attempting to run her down... to be clear, she did not in any way shape or form drive her vehicle at police... but one officer decided to try to launch himself on top of her windshield like a Hollywood movie. This officer felt on to the pavement.
My relation drove for about 50 yards but then (finally) better judgement took over and she stopped, after which she was promptly arrested. Among other charges, she was charged with "aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer"
Fortunately for my family member, there was video of the incident... (it was in a retail space parking lot)... and the locality had to drop the agg assault charge. Otherwise, she would have been facing serious time in prison.
Wouldn’t most people pause for a second in that situation and briefly interact with the person to find out why they’re attempting to stop you from proceeding?
Or do you just assume, fuck it, he’s probably not a cop, I’ll do what I want. Kind of the definition of entitlement
I think b/c he was 50 yards from the entrance, its a matter of PGA personnel directing players in vs police. The lanes were separated for traffic and golf club entrance
Have you seen the video? There was no entitlement at all. He got out of the car, cooperated and was put in the police car. No yelling "do you know who I am"
He just drove thinking he was fine...
LOL
(whatever happened as facts are still developing and I don't know), I've already drawn a conclusion
It’s being reported that officers were letting golfers go and that what Sheffler was told. However - the cop who arrested him wasn’t part of the unit. And didn’t know anything about the golfers.
Cop looks like a total dick here.
Except every player and media personnel has stated he’s the nicest most even keel person on tour.
LMFAO.
LMFAO.
Lmao. This cracked me up too.
"Hey, there is a lot of confusion out here and we just needed you to stop"
"Oh sorry about that, I was told I could continue driving like the rest of the players"
"OK, you're clear to proceed. Please be more mindful of police direction in the future."
I don't think it's a punishable crime, but it's certainly not the cop's fault.
charges get dropped or reduced by the district attorneys' all the time. I'd wager if he's convicted of anything it won't be these charges.
This family member simply went forward and away from police attempting to run her down... to be clear, she did not in any way shape or form drive her vehicle at police... but one officer decided to try to launch himself on top of her windshield like a Hollywood movie. This officer felt on to the pavement.
My relation drove for about 50 yards but then (finally) better judgement took over and she stopped, after which she was promptly arrested. Among other charges, she was charged with "aggravated assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer"
Fortunately for my family member, there was video of the incident... (it was in a retail space parking lot)... and the locality had to drop the agg assault charge. Otherwise, she would have been facing serious time in prison.
I wish I could say this was an outlier, but alas, I know better.
Sounds like it can be explained by confusion with perhaps some entitlement, exacerbated by an angry cop.
According to an ESPN article, the accident was a block away from where Scottie was stopped. Traffic patterns were redirected and I think this is where the confusion came in. A big misunderstanding.
hopefully cooler heads prevail. The cop was dealing with the scene of a death. I don't blame him for being amped up.
“In the early hours of the morning in advance of his tee time Scottie was going to the course to begin his pre round preparation. Due to the combination of event traffic and a traffic fatality in the area it was a very chaotic situation He was proceeding as directed by another traffic officer and driving a marked player’s vehicle with credentials visible. In the confusion,Scottie is alleged to have disregarded a different officer’s traffic signals resulting in these charges. Multiple eyewitnesses have confirmed that he did not do anything wrong but was simply proceeding as directed. He stopped immediately upon being directed to and never at any point assaulted any officer with his vehicle. We will litigate this matter as needed and he will be completely exonerated. “
There were about 20 cops there at a fatal accident, multiple cruisers with lights flashing, and all of the cops had orange vests with POLICE written on them. Scottie fucked up, but I think the cop overreacted too. It will resolve without too much trouble. He’ll likely pay a fine.
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Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
There were about 20 cops there at a fatal accident, multiple cruisers with lights flashing, and all of the cops had orange vests with POLICE written on them. Scottie fucked up, but I think the cop overreacted too. It will resolve without too much trouble. He’ll likely pay a fine.
you realize he wasnt the only golfer to drive around the median and was told to go?
You do this to escalate the situation.
They created an assault charge.
he did
Police officer is handling traffic at a fatality and concerned about that situation and traffic it has caused
From Schleffer’s perspective it’s a traffic guy, from policeman’s perspective it’s just some guy driving “around” instead of waiting. It’s extremely likely had either had an understanding of the other person’s perspective it doesn’t go as far as it did.
That said ultimately police are there to provide public safety and he’s not worried about a sports event. Any citizen driving a vehicle on a public road is responsible to civil authority above their sporting obligations and the responsibility falls on Schleffer.
Police officer is handling traffic at a fatality and concerned about that situation and traffic it has caused
From Schleffer’s perspective it’s a traffic guy, from policeman’s perspective it’s just some guy driving “around” instead of waiting. It’s extremely likely had either had an understanding of the other person’s perspective it doesn’t go as far as it did.
That said ultimately police are there to provide public safety and he’s not worried about a sports event. Any citizen driving a vehicle on a public road is responsible to civil authority above their sporting obligations and the responsibility falls on Schleffer.
every golfer did the same thing Scheffler did, he was told to go around and they would let you in..
The cop who stopped him was part of a different unit and by the soudns of it didnt know there was a golf tournament
Sounds like he did.
No matter what anyone else was told or did, nor what an officer may have instructed him to do before, you simply must obey an officer's direction. Whether that's a traffic or regular officer.
If he disobeyed an officer and created a dangerous situation, and that's verified, he should face serious consequences. If he did not, he'll face lesser consequences.
His attorney's statement isn't a factual record. So let's not act like it's the final word.
He just drove thinking he was fine...
This is what happens quite often for golfers driving into the golf course. There's always traffic and the golfers get right in.
One traffic official waved Scottie through
Then this nutjob cop decided he wanted to insert himself in the situation and that is when things escalated.
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He’s in a strange city early morning driving in what he assumes is event traffic and believes he’s doing as instructed to get into event.
Police officer is handling traffic at a fatality and concerned about that situation and traffic it has caused
From Schleffer’s perspective it’s a traffic guy, from policeman’s perspective it’s just some guy driving “around” instead of waiting. It’s extremely likely had either had an understanding of the other person’s perspective it doesn’t go as far as it did.
That said ultimately police are there to provide public safety and he’s not worried about a sports event. Any citizen driving a vehicle on a public road is responsible to civil authority above their sporting obligations and the responsibility falls on Schleffer.
every golfer did the same thing Scheffler did, he was told to go around and they would let you in..
The cop who stopped him was part of a different unit and by the soudns of it didnt know there was a golf tournament
That’s my point exactly. Scheffler thought he was following cops handling event traffic and what he was previously told, this cop he encountered was handling something entirely different.
And it doesn’t matter if others had done it, at that point in time he was asked not to. Traffic is fluid, things change and maybe the others doing it made the cop aware it was becoming more dangerous as a result. He was behind the wheel it’s his responsibility
@kylelauletta
Hmmm 🤔 Trying to get to work maneuvering through traffic... Stopped by a cop screaming for him to get out the car. Handcuffed immediately. Sounds VERY familiar. Just another traffic cop trying to be a hero is all. #FreeScottieScheffler
That's the functional equivalent of running a red light because the previous light was green.
That's the functional equivalent of running a red light because the previous light was green.
Yes. That is exactly like that
Holy fuck
Agreed. The cop goofed and overreacted. Unfortunately, an all too common LE response to that is to throw the book at you and then offer to be "lenient" & toss them in exchange for you not kicking up a fuss about their behavior.
This is completely dependent on the sequence of events being as he and his attorney has described, correct?
A different story if for instance he ignored the officer and nearly hit someone or endangered someone?
My sincere apologies to those that know all about everything.
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Is getting pulled out of your car, handcuffed, taken to jail, and charged with a felony because the authorities were delivering mixed messages about traffic flow.
This is completely dependent on the sequence of events being as he and his attorney has described, correct?
A different story if for instance he ignored the officer and nearly hit someone or endangered someone?
Also the ESPN reporter who saw the whole thing and didn't say anything about nearly hitting someone
My sincere apologies to those that know all about everything.
Until everything is known, people shouldn't comment?
Odd take for a message board.
There was a reporter there, they gave an account of what they saw. Is that ok? They surely don't know everything either.
What's the difference if a cop or not? You're at the scene of an accident, you obey anyone controlling the area.
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If the video circulating is the scene, it's pretty difficult to believe he didn't know the guy in the bright yellow reflective emergency jacket, surrounded by all of the other guys in bright yellow reflective emergency jackets, standing by the countless police cars -- was a cop.
I think b/c he was 50 yards from the entrance, its a matter of PGA personnel directing players in vs police. The lanes were separated for traffic and golf club entrance
There were a lot of course security people there too, and I'd be amazed if they weren't wearing yellow reflective vests in the dark, and standing near the police cars (because they couldn't not be standing by police cars.
I don't think it's a punishable crime, but it's certainly not the cop's fault.
Except the cop who arrested him was dealing the the traffic, not the investigation. And assaulting a police officer? Because the office grabbed onto his car? (And Scheffler stopped when that happened). That's just insane. Talk about trying to justify an overreaction.
And remember, according to ESPN, the cops were letting golfers and tournament official and staff to bypass the blocked traffic.
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Anyone could have mistaken whether the person was a cop. I think the people who are not "entitled" still have interactions with the police with many of those interactions being negative.
What's the difference if a cop or not? You're at the scene of an accident, you obey anyone controlling the area.
Which they apparently did.
He was in a marked car and told to bypass the traffic just as others had.
hopefully cooler heads prevail. The cop was dealing with the scene of a death. I don't blame him for being amped up.
No, the cop was dealing with traffic. Investigators were dealing with the scene of the fatal accident. It's two different jobs. People investigating the accident don't handle traffic control.
My sincere apologies to those that know all about everything.
Won’t someone think of the golfers?!
If he proceeded as he was directed, and then misunderstood the directions of the next officer, that will be clear. If the officer acted recklessly and disproportionately, it will be addressed.
All of us are familiar with a chaotic traffic situation where there are multiple people giving you direction in a sequence. Just because the first guy passes you through, doesn't mean you don't have to pay attention or can ignore the next guy.
But in the dark and looking to see where to go.. easy to lose the moment.
Best to leave this until it gets sorted out. Three sides to every story. Doesn't sound like either one handled this very well.
@MillerHHunter
Rory McIlroy gets divorced the same weekend that Scottie Scheffler is arrested?
The balls not the only things he's hitting the shit out of today.
Apparently reached in the window and grabbed hold.
Your normal attempt at de-escalation over a traffic issue.
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How the fk did he attach himself to the car and get dragged to the ground? I guess that will come out in footage.
Apparently reached in the window and grabbed hold.
Your normal attempt at de-escalation over a traffic issue.
He is a detective, too. Thought detectives had more on the ball?
Weird shit.
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How the fk did he attach himself to the car and get dragged to the ground? I guess that will come out in footage.
Apparently reached in the window and grabbed hold.
Your normal attempt at de-escalation over a traffic issue.
He is a detective, too. Thought detectives had more on the ball?
Weird shit.
What do you mean?
He turned this into a felony, if I'm reading this right.
@JayCuda
all of scottie scheffler's second rounds in majors, listed from best to worst
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Meanwhile a dozen people will be killed in Chicago this weekend
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Meanwhile a dozen people will be killed in Chicago this weekend
Has this alt been identified?
Shockingly, the Louisville PD has claimed not to have any video of the scene. I know it's hard to believe, but somehow the body cam was not functioning. Just more bad luck for the Louisville PD I guess.
From a couple tweets I'm seeing they may be dropping all of the charges in the next couple days..
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The video is out.
There is none. He was disciplined for not turning it on.
Scheffler should get off any day now. No reason this needs to go any further.
The video is out.
What was the sequence of events?
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knows jack shit about what happened or the sequence of events as they unfolded, so perhaps we all should lighten up a bit.
My sincere apologies to those that know all about everything.
Won’t someone think of the golfers?!
Somehow, there has to have been a gopher involved!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2024 9:28 am : link : reply
Regardless of what transpired, he seems entitled AF.
That dude is a fucking moron.
(Checking notes)...Oh, that's me. Haha. Yeah, that was an idiotic post that looks even more idiotic tonight.
There is nothing that shows the officer being hit/knocked down/dragged, and I suspect none of that happened. I doubt Scheffler would have continued to drive if any of that happened.
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There is nothing that shows the officer being hit/knocked down/dragged, and I suspect none of that happened. I doubt Scheffler would have continued to drive if any of that happened. wlwt - ( New Window )
So what do we want to guess is the punishment for lying about a felony and falsifying an official police report? One slap on the wrist or two?
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and the officer, evidently unhappy that the vehicle is moving, running up to it and striking the driver side of the car.
There is nothing that shows the officer being hit/knocked down/dragged, and I suspect none of that happened. I doubt Scheffler would have continued to drive if any of that happened. wlwt - ( New Window )
So what do we want to guess is the punishment for lying about a felony and falsifying an official police report? One slap on the wrist or two?
Officially, he's been "disciplined" in an unspecified manner for not having the bodycam on.
There are unofficial reports (at the link) the officer has been fired.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/17/2024 9:28 am : link : reply
Regardless of what transpired, he seems entitled AF.
That dude is a fucking moron.
(Checking notes)...Oh, that's me. Haha. Yeah, that was an idiotic post that looks even more idiotic tonight.
Sometimes it is better to wait before blaming - kind of like the cop in this incident.
You would think someone would have told him the players get marked courtesy cars.
I bet if he didn't trip himself and get hurt it never would have gone this far.