Found it funny when he sympathized with DJ for having multiple coaches. Almost like the classic of sympathizing with the kid who killed his parents because he is an orphan.
My dudes, chills out. The time to freak out is over. It is time to play the hand and see what happens. Season has yet to reveal itself. Let hope spring.
My dudes, chills out. The time to freak out is over. It is time to play the hand and see what happens. Season has yet to reveal itself. Let hope spring.
Spot on man. Is what it is now - let's see what happens in season. I keep reminding myself that it is entertainment :)
Is Jones taking more flack than he deserves? Probably, but that's one of the downsides of playing in NY. He's got 40 million reasons to deal with it. Carl should have seen how fans and the press treated Phil Simms early in his career.
***Carl should have seen how fans and the press treated Phil Simms early in his career.
Not just early in his career. When Simms was injured and Hostetler was playing well, there was a story of fans heckling Simms and his family when they were out in Wayne.
DJ will go down as the worst quarterback ever to play the position but it has only been because of the coaches, the lack of weapons, the crappy OL and now the belligerent fans. There is simply no place in professional sports for the victim card. What an utter embarrassment for this franchise.
DJ will go down as the worst quarterback ever to play the position but it has only been because of the coaches, the lack of weapons, the crappy OL and now the belligerent fans. There is simply no place in professional sports for the victim card. What an utter embarrassment for this franchise.
Worst QB to ever play a the position?
We need to move on from him, but that’s ridiculous
Amazing some of the nonsense people post
I can't put into words how much I football love Carl Banks
as fan of the Giants since 1966. I think he was a Hall of Fame player. I appreciate that he is still part of the Giants organization. He will always be a Golden NY Giant for me.
That doesn't mean I always agree with him even though he has forgotten more about football today than I will ever know.
A sympathetic figure? He will make over 100 million dollars in the NFL. I saw a picture of Daniel Jones in the throwback uniform today and it immediately took away the usual unrealistic optimism I have at this time of year. I certainly don't wish Daniel Jones any harm. He seems like a good guy. I hope I never see him start another game for the Giants.
He is the face of losing during one of the worst periods of Giant's football in the Super Bowl era. He will be forever mentioned with Dave Brown as a 1st round QB bust who was drafted to follow a legendary NY Giants QB.
after his "best" season where he played like a good backup QB.
Been gifted 6 years of starts, an unprecedented opportunity for a QB as bad as him. Cry me a fing river with this loser.
Have you ever negotiated a contract. First thing you do is ask for a crazy number. Why wouldn't you ask for $50M a year.
That comment makes no sense.
Of course. But if his side is going to be mercenary when it suits them (like in a contract negotiation), the Giants as a team should do the same. Yet it feels like he is treated with kids glove by the organization and provided excuses for why he has been unsuccessful.
"so called fans" I tune them out. Because it means they think that just because your opinion is different than theirs, that somehow makes you less of a fan. They're criticizing you, while at the same time, patting themselves on the back for being a "better fan".
And Banks' take that the DJ bashing is making Jones a sympathetic figure is just plain dumb.
Sympathetic to whom? Is it the fans who are never critical of DJ or the ones who refuse to to overlook his shortcomings and dare to suggest the team needs a better QB?
Found it funny when he sympathized with DJ for having multiple coaches. Almost like the classic of sympathizing with the kid who killed his parents because he is an orphan.
Some of these Giant fans focus way too much on blaming Jones for everything that's gone wrong with this team instead of understanding everything around the QB that impacts his ability to perform.
All that money he got probably included hazard pay to play behind these olines.
When the Giants are able to bring in a better option, they'll move on till then he is the starting QB for the Giants and I will root for him to lead this team to wins.
There is really no other option but to give Jones one more chance.
Let him earn a chance to continue with an improved offense or bench him if he struggles. Benching him or releasing him really isn’t an option this season.
I am in favor of giving him that “one more chance” but the constant criticism by the fans and media has made it next to impossible for him to have any success here. Would you bust your butt playing behind a guy who is almost certainly a goner or at least will be benched during the season?
Lets stop bitching about the past, its getting tiresome.
For the record I wanted to move on too, and would have taken JJM, Nix, or Penix (probably Nix of Penix) when we couldn't trade up. I even think that Lock may beat Jones out (if its a fair fight). However it is what it is, I hope whoever wins the job plays better than I think they will
I have sympathy for Janiel Dones, too. It's not his fault he is a bad QB and was installed as the 6 yr face of the franchise despite the evidence. That's management's fault.
The Giants are stupid. Jones is bad. And the fans are screwed.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Oh shit. Now you’ve done it….. get ready for the hounds…
Lead the Giants to their next championship. I also think Jones may get him fired prematurely. That’s why I dislike Jones and never want to see him start another game for us.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Sample size.
RE: How about some sympathy for the fans that have to watch him play?
It’s weird just dawned on me you really don’t ever see many takes that empathize with a suffering fan base. Once in a blue moon maybe but whenever focus is pointed at a fan base it’s usually just to mock them, especially in this day and age. Even last night’s NYR playoff clincher saw numerous pics or shots of young Carolina fans crying in their seats.
Being a fan isn’t easy when your team sucks. No one really cares. We are here to be used, abused and ridiculed.
I didn’t read the article but if banks used more than one sentence to detail this sympathetic crap he spent too much time and effort. Jones will be fine. We’re the ones that need help.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
It seems to be pretty much confirmed that Schoen made at least compulsory efforts to move up, but what he offered and how serious he was are open to debate. I hope we see some of it in the Hard Knocks segment, it could answer a lot of those questions.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
Plus I'm pretty sure Jones got enough credit for that win, in the form of almost $100M. He then rewarded us with the very worst season a starting QB has ever given a team after signing a mega contract, at least in my recollection.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
Basically every beat and national reporter disagrees with you
Let’s take it a step further
Schoen was scouting all of the top QB prospects in person last year
Then during the pre draft evaluation phase spent an TON of time and resources with literally all the top prospects except for Nix..between visits and personal workouts….
Do you think they literally went through all of this for no reason?
on a football level. Obviously not a financial level.
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Have they played any other games besides that one?
I’ll let you go look it up. How many seasons does Jones have of 25 tds and 3500 yards? How about Cousins?
The sad thing is many teams probably don’t view Cousins as good enough. But if Jones had his stats, people here would be ready to induct him in the ring of honor. It’s how low the bar has fallen.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
and tiring. I completely agree with that. I am also a guy that thinks we should move on because of injury, but in the same breath I think DJ can be a good QB with a better OL and the weapons he has now. To listen to the toxic DJ hate is exhausting, but people can't help spewing the same crap over and over again.
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
Every single year of his 8 year career that Cousins has started at least 15 games, he's had better numbers that Jones' BEST season.
There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
on a football level. Obviously not a financial level.
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
You know Eric, most fans were irate over the Giants picking him 6th, and I believe when he started playing, those same fans were looking for every flaw they could find to justify their opinion. Of course, when things didn't go well, they were anxious to pile on. To the point that they disregarded the obvious major problems with the rest of the team. Some on this board, including myself, would cite the horrible OL play, when he would be hit almost at receiving the snap, the very mediocre (to be kind) WRs play. It was called excuses, (I call them facts) even though it was painfully obvious that he had no chance to make a play. Oh, he doesn't see the field well, he's afraid to go deep, goes to the safety valve to quickly, never considering the enormous pressure he was trying to make plays under. Then If he did get some time, couldn't find an open receiver. Yes, at times did he miss an open WR when he wasn't under pressure, sure, haven't we've seen that with all QBs? The most ridiculous position I believe is he is supposed to make all those around him better. This was a piss poor team, how do you make people better who stink, and you had problems protecting yourself? Not to mention the coaching changes and different systems. Let's remember, football is the ultimate TEAM sport. No one, don't care who you are, can do it alone. Then we get the, he's had 5 years. Yes, 5 years with the same shitty team. We also get, Taylor and Devito played better, but they had a healthier OL that were somewhat improved. Can DJ be an excellent QB? IMO, yes, but who knows. None of us are experts. We all give our opinions; I'm just saying let's be fair.
He has a major weapon now. If the line in average and not the second worst line in the last 40 years then I won’t feel sorry for him. Time to produce or I’m off the DJ wagon believe it or not.
Justin Pugh was the left tackle in the Buffalo game. Tyrod was better than every Jones start but one in that game.
Jones ranked 41st in the league in EPA when not pressured. But go ahead. Make more excuses.
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There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
Justin Pugh has played LT a lot before. In fact as much as people hate on Justin Pugh our OL played a million times better once he came in. People just love to bitch. Like they need somewhere to let go of their frustrations in life so they bitch about everything. Daniel Jones had by far the least amount of time to throw in the league last year. Much less than TT. People love to say making excuses when they want to fight against it something and here are the reasons when they want to fight for something. Excuses/Reasons... You seem like everything is an excuses kind of guy.
Fact is the best QB play last year in any game was done by DJ when he had time. Fact is he played before a worse line than TT. Fact is our only weapon was out in 3 of those starts. Fact is we had a LG playing LT for the first time in his career. Fact is he had the least amount of time to throw than any QB last year in the NFL. So reasons/excuses... probably somewhere in between.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the point is it isn't a fair fight
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
If you think you have a chance to draft a player you think we be a super star or take a QB you aren't sold on how can you draft a QB you don't think is very good. It isn't like we took a guy that some people liked and some didn't and he was equal to the remaining QBs. Nabers was considered by some as the best player in the draft!
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
And what happened after that game?
JFC. People constantly pull out this ridiculous, strawman argument all the time thinking it means something when, it means very little.
He threw 15 TD passes that year. 15. That’s terrible.
And you’re going to try to compare Jones to Cousins? Seriously? That makes no sense whatsoever.
DJ had no chance of being successful last season after Thomas went down. Neal was a hot mess and it was like moving chairs at all the other spots in front of him. He was getting hit and sacked at an all time rate, it was that bad. I'm surprised he didn't get hurt earlier.
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
...at six f'ing YEARS of people defending Jones with every excuse in the book. It's crazy. Just crazy. The folks who ask 'if Jones was on another team, what would Giants fans think of him' KNOW Giants fans would laugh their asses off if the Commanders had Jones then paid him that crazy contract, and kept him around year after year after year just because he reminds the Owner of a cross-eyed Eli. Unbelievable. Yet every year it's excuses and more excuses for this mook from Duke who makes Dave Brown look competent.
...at six f'ing YEARS of people defending Jones with every excuse in the book. It's crazy. Just crazy. The folks who ask 'if Jones was on another team, what would Giants fans think of him' KNOW Giants fans would laugh their asses off if the Commanders had Jones then paid him that crazy contract, and kept him around year after year after year just because he reminds the Owner of a cross-eyed Eli. Unbelievable. Yet every year it's excuses and more excuses for this mook from Duke who makes Dave Brown look competent.
Ahhh another excuses guy.
RE: I think Daboll is a talented coach who could conceivably
Lead the Giants to their next championship. I also think Jones may get him fired prematurely. That’s why I dislike Jones and never want to see him start another game for us.
This ^
RE: RE: RE: RE: the point is it isn't a fair fight
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
DJ had no chance of being successful last season after Thomas went down. Neal was a hot mess and it was like moving chairs at all the other spots in front of him. He was getting hit and sacked at an all time rate, it was that bad. I'm surprised he didn't get hurt earlier.
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
Great post, you're so right!!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: the point is it isn't a fair fight
the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
Maybe the pros think more of DJ than the novices on this board..
that even before the big contract, even going back to the draft, that he was treated by some as a punchline. Whether or not he cuts a sympathetic figure is up to you, but there were absolutely some folks in the media and around the league who were never going to give him a fair shake, and there are some who seem to enjoy his struggles.
Now, trying to sell him as a sympathetic figure to the fans, at this point, is incredibly disengeuous. Banks is out here toeing the Company Line and firing off some rounds in the PR war, but the problem with that is the most sympathetic thing about Daniel Jones is that the Company was out there slutting it up all winter and spring with every Tom, Dick, and JJ that could toss a football. He doesnt appear terribly wanted and ery'body knows it.
The rest...the excuse making, the rationalizing...THAT is the narrative created to explain what is an undisputably poor record of performance in 5 years in the NFL.
Terps, what cracks me up is when people point to '22 as some sort of All Pro like season. The dude threw 15 TDs in 16 games started! I'm no Gerald Lambeau-'Good Will Hunting' reference-but even I know that's less than 1 TD per game. In this era's NFL, that is pitiful.
The rest...the excuse making, the rationalizing...THAT is the narrative created to explain what is an undisputably poor record of performance in 5 years in the NFL.
They learned a word. They want to use it. They haven't a fucking clue what they are talking about.
Terps, what cracks me up is when people point to '22 as some sort of All Pro like season. The dude threw 15 TDs in 16 games started! I'm no Gerald Lambeau-'Good Will Hunting' reference-but even I know that's less than 1 TD per game. In this era's NFL, that is pitiful.
They didn't *ask* him to throw more TDs. [/s]
As if you have to ask an NFL QB to throw more TDs.
...at six f'ing YEARS of people defending Jones with every excuse in the book. It's crazy. Just crazy. The folks who ask 'if Jones was on another team, what would Giants fans think of him' KNOW Giants fans would laugh their asses off if the Commanders had Jones then paid him that crazy contract, and kept him around year after year after year just because he reminds the Owner of a cross-eyed Eli. Unbelievable. Yet every year it's excuses and more excuses for this mook from Duke who makes Dave Brown look competent.
But ... all things being fair, the Giants should keep their word and give Drew Lock a fair shot at the job. It will be very interesting to compare the two.
Also.... DeVito let his 15 minutes get to his head. Let's see if he can improve.
Terps, what cracks me up is when people point to '22 as some sort of All Pro like season. The dude threw 15 TDs in 16 games started! I'm no Gerald Lambeau-'Good Will Hunting' reference-but even I know that's less than 1 TD per game. In this era's NFL, that is pitiful.
I think Jones' best season, numbers aside, was his rookie year. He was in the Shurmur system and that was when he earned the "Danny Dimes" nickname.
Yet you think Jones is the one guy they got right. You have no problem trashing everyone else they drafted, the coaching staffs, the food vendors and everyone else under the sun. But Jones is somehow Teflon for you. Beyond criticism for some damn reason. Laughable
is watching the Giants come out on the field with Jones at QB and starting out the game in lack luster fashion
I am so tired of watching that reel -- so, so tired -- that tape does not seem to change very much
I wish and pray that tape changes; I really, really do. But it's the tape I haytes - and not Daniel Jones. I want the guy to come out and ball. So far it seems more like a wobble.
and Madeline Kahn said it best -- "I'm so TIRED!"
and on top of that there is a lot of JDS out there for sure
going to guess no one.
Been gifted 6 years of starts, an unprecedented opportunity for a QB as bad as him. Cry me a fing river with this loser.
Been gifted 6 years of starts, an unprecedented opportunity for a QB as bad as him. Cry me a fing river with this loser.
Do you mean ‘loser’ as in, a player with a losing record, or as a personal insult?
Spot on man. Is what it is now - let's see what happens in season. I keep reminding myself that it is entertainment :)
Not just early in his career. When Simms was injured and Hostetler was playing well, there was a story of fans heckling Simms and his family when they were out in Wayne.
Been gifted 6 years of starts, an unprecedented opportunity for a QB as bad as him. Cry me a fing river with this loser.
Have you ever negotiated a contract. First thing you do is ask for a crazy number. Why wouldn't you ask for $50M a year.
That comment makes no sense.
Been gifted 6 years of starts, an unprecedented opportunity for a QB as bad as him. Cry me a fing river with this loser.
Weird flex calling him a loser, and have you ever been in negotiations? You always aim high. Blame Schoen.
Worst QB to ever play a the position?
We need to move on from him, but that’s ridiculous
Amazing some of the nonsense people post
That doesn't mean I always agree with him even though he has forgotten more about football today than I will ever know.
A sympathetic figure? He will make over 100 million dollars in the NFL. I saw a picture of Daniel Jones in the throwback uniform today and it immediately took away the usual unrealistic optimism I have at this time of year. I certainly don't wish Daniel Jones any harm. He seems like a good guy. I hope I never see him start another game for the Giants.
He is the face of losing during one of the worst periods of Giant's football in the Super Bowl era. He will be forever mentioned with Dave Brown as a 1st round QB bust who was drafted to follow a legendary NY Giants QB.
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after his "best" season where he played like a good backup QB.
Been gifted 6 years of starts, an unprecedented opportunity for a QB as bad as him. Cry me a fing river with this loser.
Have you ever negotiated a contract. First thing you do is ask for a crazy number. Why wouldn't you ask for $50M a year.
That comment makes no sense.
Of course. But if his side is going to be mercenary when it suits them (like in a contract negotiation), the Giants as a team should do the same. Yet it feels like he is treated with kids glove by the organization and provided excuses for why he has been unsuccessful.
And Banks' take that the DJ bashing is making Jones a sympathetic figure is just plain dumb.
Sympathetic to whom? Is it the fans who are never critical of DJ or the ones who refuse to to overlook his shortcomings and dare to suggest the team needs a better QB?
Nonsense.
+1 absolutely
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
The greatest trick DEP_026 ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist...
Always makes you think that he's going to take the next step.
Let's move on already.
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The greatest trick DEP_026 ever pulled was to convince the world he didn't exist...
What time was your appointment?
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
They're coming around to the carcass late in the day.
going to guess no one.
IF the OL can just be average...
if Jones can play at a level similar to 2022...
With these receivers, he certainly can become a middle-of-the-pack quarterback in the NFL, like he was in 2022.
But there is the risk... it is very easy to see this franchise use any potential "rebound" season as an excuse to extend the mediocrity.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
We have a poster who just said he was the worst QB ever. So Banks comment has merit.
Give me a break
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No, but we would like the Giants to be a good team that is interesting to watch. This shouldn't need to be explained.
All that money he got probably included hazard pay to play behind these olines.
When the Giants are able to bring in a better option, they'll move on till then he is the starting QB for the Giants and I will root for him to lead this team to wins.
I am in favor of giving him that “one more chance” but the constant criticism by the fans and media has made it next to impossible for him to have any success here. Would you bust your butt playing behind a guy who is almost certainly a goner or at least will be benched during the season?
They would still complain. Let’s be real.
For the record I wanted to move on too, and would have taken JJM, Nix, or Penix (probably Nix of Penix) when we couldn't trade up. I even think that Lock may beat Jones out (if its a fair fight). However it is what it is, I hope whoever wins the job plays better than I think they will
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
The Giants are stupid. Jones is bad. And the fans are screwed.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Oh shit. Now you’ve done it….. get ready for the hounds…
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Sample size.
It’s weird just dawned on me you really don’t ever see many takes that empathize with a suffering fan base. Once in a blue moon maybe but whenever focus is pointed at a fan base it’s usually just to mock them, especially in this day and age. Even last night’s NYR playoff clincher saw numerous pics or shots of young Carolina fans crying in their seats.
Being a fan isn’t easy when your team sucks. No one really cares. We are here to be used, abused and ridiculed.
I didn’t read the article but if banks used more than one sentence to detail this sympathetic crap he spent too much time and effort. Jones will be fine. We’re the ones that need help.
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K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
It seems to be pretty much confirmed that Schoen made at least compulsory efforts to move up, but what he offered and how serious he was are open to debate. I hope we see some of it in the Hard Knocks segment, it could answer a lot of those questions.
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If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers everyone would consider him a franchise QB.
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For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Ah, the legendary WC playoff win over a wildly overrated Vikings team, where Jones single-handedly put the team on his back.
That win is so incredibly overstated, its not even funny. Yes, mediocre players have really good games. Mitch Trubisky threw 6 TD's in a game once, yet no one in Chicago is pining to give him another chance.
And regarding ATL paying Cousins, why the fuck would I care? I'm pretty sure no one here is a Falcons fan, but we do care where the Giants spend their money. Besides, Cousins has had a MUCH better career than Jones. If Jones were putting up Cousins-type numbers, NO ONE would be complaining.
Plus I'm pretty sure Jones got enough credit for that win, in the form of almost $100M. He then rewarded us with the very worst season a starting QB has ever given a team after signing a mega contract, at least in my recollection.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
Do we know for sure that they Giants tried to trade up for Maye? Or they were serious in their attempt to trade up? Based on the draft and free agency, I don't think they were serious on moving away from Jones this season.
Basically every beat and national reporter disagrees with you
Let’s take it a step further
Schoen was scouting all of the top QB prospects in person last year
Then during the pre draft evaluation phase spent an TON of time and resources with literally all the top prospects except for Nix..between visits and personal workouts….
Do you think they literally went through all of this for no reason?
Come on now
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Have they played any other games besides that one?
I’ll let you go look it up. How many seasons does Jones have of 25 tds and 3500 yards? How about Cousins?
The sad thing is many teams probably don’t view Cousins as good enough. But if Jones had his stats, people here would be ready to induct him in the ring of honor. It’s how low the bar has fallen.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
THIS!
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D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
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D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old Kirk Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
Since you like stats, here's some more for you:
In DJ's best year (2022) he passed for 15 TDs and 3,205 yds. (Or if you prefer 2019... 3,027 yds and 24 TDs.)
In Cousins' WORST year as a starter he passed for 26 TDs and 3,603 yds.
In other words, EVERY year he's been a starter, Cousins has put up better numbers than DJ's BEST year.
And while both QBs were injured last season, Cousins still had 18 TDs in 8 games. In 6 games DJ passed for 2 TDs.
No matter how you look at it, Cousins is a far better QB as well as a far better value.
Give Jones Justin Jefferson and a good offensive line and see what happens.. and yeah, I know jefferson missed 7 games last year, but so did Andrew Thomas
Every single year of his 8 year career that Cousins has started at least 15 games, he's had better numbers that Jones' BEST season.
Stop with the excuses.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
Jones ranked 41st in the league in EPA when not pressured. But go ahead. Make more excuses.
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There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
Maybe 1 year for 10 on a prove it. Cousins got 4/180. And he's 35 coming off an injury.
Football-wise, he's been handed the worst set of circumstances I've ever seen for an NFL QB. We've literally watched this guy get physically destroyed gritting his teeth and trying to walk through a meat-grinder.
It must suck beyond belief to QB behind this OL, with skill players who can't do anything. His one crutch was a comically error-prone Saquon Barkley.
David Carr would like a word…
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
However, the piling on has gotten to ridiculous levels. It's become a feeding frenzy even with national pundits.
You know Eric, most fans were irate over the Giants picking him 6th, and I believe when he started playing, those same fans were looking for every flaw they could find to justify their opinion. Of course, when things didn't go well, they were anxious to pile on. To the point that they disregarded the obvious major problems with the rest of the team. Some on this board, including myself, would cite the horrible OL play, when he would be hit almost at receiving the snap, the very mediocre (to be kind) WRs play. It was called excuses, (I call them facts) even though it was painfully obvious that he had no chance to make a play. Oh, he doesn't see the field well, he's afraid to go deep, goes to the safety valve to quickly, never considering the enormous pressure he was trying to make plays under. Then If he did get some time, couldn't find an open receiver. Yes, at times did he miss an open WR when he wasn't under pressure, sure, haven't we've seen that with all QBs? The most ridiculous position I believe is he is supposed to make all those around him better. This was a piss poor team, how do you make people better who stink, and you had problems protecting yourself? Not to mention the coaching changes and different systems. Let's remember, football is the ultimate TEAM sport. No one, don't care who you are, can do it alone. Then we get the, he's had 5 years. Yes, 5 years with the same shitty team. We also get, Taylor and Devito played better, but they had a healthier OL that were somewhat improved. Can DJ be an excellent QB? IMO, yes, but who knows. None of us are experts. We all give our opinions; I'm just saying let's be fair.
Jones ranked 41st in the league in EPA when not pressured. But go ahead. Make more excuses.
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There is no basis for saying he can even be an above average QB. He's one of the absolute worst QBs in the league. Tyrod Taylor, a backup, massive outplayed him last year.
I love how people talk about DeVito and TT like they played behind the same OL. Who was LT for the majority of DJ starts? A LG that had never played LT before. Who was the LT for TT starts? One of the best LT in the game. They aren't the same. If a QB had more time they will preform better. If they have less time they do worse. Let go of this toxic hate.
Justin Pugh has played LT a lot before. In fact as much as people hate on Justin Pugh our OL played a million times better once he came in. People just love to bitch. Like they need somewhere to let go of their frustrations in life so they bitch about everything. Daniel Jones had by far the least amount of time to throw in the league last year. Much less than TT. People love to say making excuses when they want to fight against it something and here are the reasons when they want to fight for something. Excuses/Reasons... You seem like everything is an excuses kind of guy.
Fact is the best QB play last year in any game was done by DJ when he had time. Fact is he played before a worse line than TT. Fact is our only weapon was out in 3 of those starts. Fact is we had a LG playing LT for the first time in his career. Fact is he had the least amount of time to throw than any QB last year in the NFL. So reasons/excuses... probably somewhere in between.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
The offer to move up 3 spots was pretty good. What are you talking about. Because they wanted 3 1st rounders which would be an idiot move to trade up 3 spots? That would be like paying 50K for a 5K diamond to use your example.
They followed that up by deciding to pass on 3 first round QB's. That's their prerogative but then you can't say they want to move on because they have had ample opportunity.
If you think you have a chance to draft a player you think we be a super star or take a QB you aren't sold on how can you draft a QB you don't think is very good. It isn't like we took a guy that some people liked and some didn't and he was equal to the remaining QBs. Nabers was considered by some as the best player in the draft!
going to guess no one.
I certainly have apathetic feelings about him.
D. Jones 24/35 301 2 0
K. Cousins
31/39 273 2 0
For those complaining about Jones salary, how about what the Falcons are paying 35 year old KirK Cousins. Jones outplayed Cousins in that game more that the stats indicate, especially considering Cousins' decision to throw short of the sticks on 4th down to essentially end the game
And what happened after that game?
JFC. People constantly pull out this ridiculous, strawman argument all the time thinking it means something when, it means very little.
He threw 15 TD passes that year. 15. That’s terrible.
And you’re going to try to compare Jones to Cousins? Seriously? That makes no sense whatsoever.
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
Ahhh another excuses guy.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
I hope Nabers is as good as advertised, the OL holds up, and Jones balls out this year.
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
Can you imagine the first time Jones misses a WR deep.
So making money makes you immune to getting pounder by idiots 24/7?
It's like some fans just wanna be right that he wasn't good at the expense of actually winning.
Some fans have really lost the ability to be objective and stuck on supporting their narrative.
Great post, you're so right!!
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the Giants have no desire to move on. Just pay attention to what they've done rather than how they spin it.
So I guess trying to trade up for Maye was imaginary and never happened
SMH
They don't get credit for making an offer that obviously wasn't good enough just like I don't get credit for not buying my wife a diamond because the jeweler wouldn't accept a shiny new Quarter in return.
Nice spin
You do realize it takes two to tango to make a trade
And as for the next 3 QB’s….I have no problem with them passing
So your narrative is grossly inaccurate to say they have no desire to move on from Jones as they tried to
Now you are spinning it to say that the offer wasn’t good enough
Bottom line…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for one
I'm not spinning anything. Schoen has had three drafts and has not taken a flyer on any QB's. Jones hasn't been the answer since before Schoen got here but he has done nothing to improve the position. The ugly secret is that in 2022, Jones' best year, he was at best mediocre. They need to move on to ever have a hope of contending for a SB and in the year they had the best chance of doing so they punted. Again.
So they should draft a QB if they don’t have a conviction on one?
They liked one…tried to get him
Didn’t have a willing partner
So again….they tried to move on…but it takes two to tango
Beck to your original point…if you are married to a QB…you don’t try to trade up for his replacement
Maybe the pros think more of DJ than the novices on this board..
Now, trying to sell him as a sympathetic figure to the fans, at this point, is incredibly disengeuous. Banks is out here toeing the Company Line and firing off some rounds in the PR war, but the problem with that is the most sympathetic thing about Daniel Jones is that the Company was out there slutting it up all winter and spring with every Tom, Dick, and JJ that could toss a football. He doesnt appear terribly wanted and ery'body knows it.
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Dude is making $40 million.
So making money makes you immune to getting pounder by idiots 24/7?
What? Sorry, but hard for me to feel bad for a guy making $40 million dollars.
The rest...the excuse making, the rationalizing...THAT is the narrative created to explain what is an undisputably poor record of performance in 5 years in the NFL.
The rest...the excuse making, the rationalizing...THAT is the narrative created to explain what is an undisputably poor record of performance in 5 years in the NFL.
They learned a word. They want to use it. They haven't a fucking clue what they are talking about.
They didn't *ask* him to throw more TDs. [/s]
As if you have to ask an NFL QB to throw more TDs.
"But he has to play better when he gets healthy. He will have to resume where he was starting to ascend to, and if he doesn't, they're gonna move on."
Barring a major improvement, I do think 2024 is Jones' last season as a Giant.
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...at six f'ing YEARS of people defending Jones with every excuse in the book. It's crazy. Just crazy. The folks who ask 'if Jones was on another team, what would Giants fans think of him' KNOW Giants fans would laugh their asses off if the Commanders had Jones then paid him that crazy contract, and kept him around year after year after year just because he reminds the Owner of a cross-eyed Eli. Unbelievable. Yet every year it's excuses and more excuses for this mook from Duke who makes Dave Brown look competent.
Ahhh another excuses guy.
Ahh, another Pollyanna.
Also.... DeVito let his 15 minutes get to his head. Let's see if he can improve.
But the real story here, is why are the Giants using a dedicated mouthpiece this far out for this kind of story.
I think Jones' best season, numbers aside, was his rookie year. He was in the Shurmur system and that was when he earned the "Danny Dimes" nickname.
Yet you think Jones is the one guy they got right. You have no problem trashing everyone else they drafted, the coaching staffs, the food vendors and everyone else under the sun. But Jones is somehow Teflon for you. Beyond criticism for some damn reason. Laughable
I am so tired of watching that reel -- so, so tired -- that tape does not seem to change very much
I wish and pray that tape changes; I really, really do. But it's the tape I haytes - and not Daniel Jones. I want the guy to come out and ball. So far it seems more like a wobble.
and Madeline Kahn said it best -- "I'm so TIRED!"
and on top of that there is a lot of JDS out there for sure
None of it should affect how we enjoy the games.