NFT: Knicks next year

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Were on offfense we will 100% win the ship next year!

About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line

They need a ball-handling backup PG. Relying on combo guards like Deuce to bring the ball up didn't work out too well.

And right now, we don't have a five. Robinson cannot be relied on. He's too injury prone. iHart is a FA and Sims just sucks.

We also need a lethal shooter, preferably one who can create his own shot.

In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said:

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About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line

Please stop.... I have no laughs available in my soul right now Knicks related.

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They need a ball-handling backup PG. Relying on combo guards like Deuce to bring the ball up didn't work out too well. And right now, we don't have a five. Robinson cannot be relied on. He's too injury prone. iHart is a FA and Sims just sucks. We also need a lethal shooter, preferably one who can create his own shot.

I agree, but we have two middling first round picks. Don't quote me, but I believe they are something like #19 and #21? They are both very close together even if I am slightly off.

This regime drafts well enough that I am confident in an early 20's draft pick coming in and playing well enough at backup PG.

As for Robinson. I disagree 100%. I think he would be among the best backup centers in the league if Hartenstein returns, and we can mange with him as a slight minus starter and a rookie upgrade over Sims at the position next year if we can't resign Stein.

Per the lethal shooter. That is Devo. But we do need an upgrade over Miles on the second team shooting wise. That would be what you trade Bogs, contract for. Or, if there are biters you resign him and he is your lethal sot maker on the second unit.

Soon?

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They need a ball-handling backup PG. Relying on combo guards like Deuce to bring the ball up didn't work out too well. And right now, we don't have a five. Robinson cannot be relied on. He's too injury prone. iHart is a FA and Sims just sucks. We also need a lethal shooter, preferably one who can create his own shot.

Animim- we have all that your asking for - youre just a shitty sportsfan. Seriously - you suck

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Soon?

I'm sorry dude! I kind of feel the same way.

But on the other hand. I still have to say I think our future is bright! I'm kind of excited for next year!

In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said:

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About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line

Yeah, I'm excited about him. The question is will he come over to backup JB knowing he'll be getting reduced minutes compared to what he'd get in Europe?


Rokas Jokubaitis to play in Summer League looking for NBA team - By Antonio Losada Mar 27, 2024, 8:00am EDT - ( New Window )

Still trying to get over what this team would have accomplished if they were healthy

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In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said: Quote: About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line Yeah, I'm excited about him. The question is will he come over to backup JB knowing he'll be getting reduced minutes compared to what he'd get in Europe? Rokas Jokubaitis to play in Summer League looking for NBA team - By Antonio Losada Mar 27, 2024, 8:00am EDT - ( New Window )

We do we keep on mentioning the scrub Jokubaitis' name in this thread? From your own link:

This season, Joku has appeared in 28 EuroLeague games for Barcelona starting two of them and averaging 5.7 points, 1.8 rebounds, 3.2 assists, and 0.3 steals per game. He’s logging nearly 17 minutes per game while shooting 50% inside the arc, 30.8% from 3-point range, and 66.7% from the charity stripe.

5.7 points per game? That's getting near the unmemorable Kendrick Perkins level career numbers (Was shocked to learn he ever played. Have no memory of him). Except Perk put up those numbers up against competition better than American junior high school talent....

If Robinson is healthy and Randle is healthy and they can re-sign Hartenstein, I think this team is a top 5 team in the league and a serious contender. For that month after the trade before Randle got hurt, they were the best team in the league. Randel takes a lot of shit here, but he already changed his game a bit to fit in with this TEAM. DiVincenzo is a huge upgrade over Barrett, who was our starter at the beginning of the season. Hart, McBride, Robinson, and Burks or Bogdonovich off the bench is a very good team.

I am happy for Burks. He was hurt earlier in the year. He must have healed up, because he was playing like the guy we traded for.

There is no guarantee another superstar meshes with this team. And, for all the talk about Thibs, this team seems to love him. So, like him or not, he seems to be the best coach for THIS TEAM right now. It's more important to bring in someone who will buy into what this team is about than anything else.

what does Randle want for an extension, i am not sure you can give him 40 to 50 million, i dont think he is that type of player, i think he is a great player but i dont know how much i trust him as the number 2

Beyind the number 2 star that we will debate all offseason, the Knicks need a backup point, i wouldnt be shocked if its Chris Paul, unless he goes to LA..

I dont want Hartenstein back, i am not paying him 16 million, he was dissapointing this post season, i dont think 16 million locked up to him and 14 to Mitch is smart business, i am fine with Mitch coming back as the backup big..

Find a big who can do defensivley what Thibs likes but also can shoot the ball, a shooter st the 5 for this team with Brunson would be absolutely deadly..

Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.

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Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.

Did you watch this season before he got hurt? He already altered his game to fit and shot a bit less.

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what does Randle want for an extension, i am not sure you can give him 40 to 50 million, i dont think he is that type of player, i think he is a great player but i dont know how much i trust him as the number 2 Beyind the number 2 star that we will debate all offseason, the Knicks need a backup point, i wouldnt be shocked if its Chris Paul, unless he goes to LA.. I dont want Hartenstein back, i am not paying him 16 million, he was dissapointing this post season, i dont think 16 million locked up to him and 14 to Mitch is smart business, i am fine with Mitch coming back as the backup big.. Find a big who can do defensivley what Thibs likes but also can shoot the ball, a shooter st the 5 for this team with Brunson would be absolutely deadly..

I agree that's the ideal fit, I just don't know where we get that guy with zero cap space. I'd rather bring back iHart and trade Mitch. Mitch is the better defensive player but he's just never healthy.

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Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit.

tell me you dont watch the knicks without telling me you dont watch the Knicks

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In comment 16520026 Longtimelurker said: Quote: Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit. tell me you dont watch the knicks without telling me you dont watch the Knicks

Exactly. This is a 2 year old, outdated narrative.

You should go and get him.

As much as he is a dbag and I hate him. If only things werent the way they were I would love to se what this team would look like if we made a move for Durant

Brunson Divo OG Durant Mitch or Ihart

In comment 16520029 Matt M. said:

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In comment 16520026 Longtimelurker said: Quote: Just trade him while he still has some value. The first time he holds the ball for 15 seconds and forces a spinning turn around the garden will go nuts. It will also be terrible for team morale. This is unquestionably Brunson’s team and he has special chemistry with the other nova guys. Randle doesn’t fit. Did you watch this season before he got hurt? He already altered his game to fit and shot a bit less.

Agreed. As long as Randle is not sulking and starting fights with his own teammates, then I am fine with keeping him. Who are we going to trade him for? He has more value for us than any other team I can imagine. He is an all pro in our system. Whatever we get back from a trade of him is not going to return equal value. We should just roll it back with him and maybe pay for a good in season therapist to work with him....

They do that and now it's get another player to play with Brunson, when we already had that. Early in the season the talk was that the Knicks had 2 top 25 players in Randle and Brunson. That hasn't changed, outside of Brunson moving way up the list.

I wonder if Giannis asks to be moved...

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They do that and now it's get another player to play with Brunson, when we already had that. Early in the season the talk was that the Knicks had 2 top 25 players in Randle and Brunson. That hasn't changed, outside of Brunson moving way up the list.

The issue with Randle is not fit where this team with him, if they decide to keep him and go into the season with that Janurary squad, then thats fine..

The issue with Randle is he has 1 year left on his deal and is up for an extension, i dont know if i would gice him 50 a year

As the key injuries continued to rack up and they never lost their identity. Obviously it became too much to handle when you lose 4 starters but what a gritty team that played with heart.

As a UCONN fan, if Knicks need a backup PG, Tristen Newton would be a great fit to this team. Completely selfless player, has a very nice outside shot, plays excellent defense, distributes the ball great and is a back to back NCAA Tourney MVP. He knows how to win and would be a much better guard to come in and spell Brunson throughout the year. Will be interesting to see who they can bring back, but OG should certainly take priority over IHart. Hopefully next year they don’t lose so many keys players to injury, sky is the limit if they are fully healthy.

On my profile radar—- i personally think all your takes are terrible. You shoukd stick to the wwf and stone cold steve austin.

I don’t get this arrive they’re made of glass

For the offseason

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Are you already hearing some offseason rumblings?

In comment 16520044 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I wonder if Giannis asks to be moved...

Didn't he sign an extension a month or two ago?

Brunson, Divo, Hart, OG..

I think most likely:

Mitch, Deuce, Randle, Ihart(even though i dont want him back, i think team does)

50/50:

Bojan, Precious

I think the most likelies changes if a star asls out to NY

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Brunson, Divo, Hart, OG.. I think most likely: Mitch, Deuce, Randle, Ihart(even though i dont want him back, i think team does) 50/50: Bojan, Precious I think the most likelies changes if a star asls out to NY

I think the best move is to get Caruso and bring back Burks

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In comment 16520075 nygiants16 said: Quote: Brunson, Divo, Hart, OG.. I think most likely: Mitch, Deuce, Randle, Ihart(even though i dont want him back, i think team does) 50/50: Bojan, Precious I think the most likelies changes if a star asls out to NY I think the best move is to get Caruso and bring back Burks

I am completely fine gettinf Caruso and running with this team healthy..

I wouldn't mind Tyus Jones either

keep Burks for the bi-annual. But he may have earned himself part of somebody's MLE with his last few games.

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for Caruso given the contracts we have on the books?

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for Caruso given the contracts we have on the books?

you can send them Bkjans expirong a couple of drsft picks for Caruso and dosunmo or Patrick williams as cap filler..

It's not unreasonable to be disappointed they aren't in the ECF. Up 2-0 and up 9 in the 4th to go up 3-0, it's fair to expect the Knicks to close that series.

Next year is going to be tough getting back to this point. Bucks will likely be healthier. Sixers will be in the mix. Obviously Boston. Indiana & Orlando will be good. We'll see what Cleveland does.

The Knicks are in their window NOW. I trust Rose to make shrewd moves and bring him this team to a floor of the ECF, but it won't be easy.

They need to get out of the 2nd round next year. Anything less would be a major failure.

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It's not unreasonable to be disappointed they aren't in the ECF. Up 2-0 and up 9 in the 4th to go up 3-0, it's fair to expect the Knicks to close that series. Next year is going to be tough getting back to this point. Bucks will likely be healthier. Sixers will be in the mix. Obviously Boston. Indiana & Orlando will be good. We'll see what Cleveland does. The Knicks are in their window NOW. I trust Rose to make shrewd moves and bring him this team to a floor of the ECF, but it won't be easy. They need to get out of the 2nd round next year. Anything less would be a major failure.

Bucks are on their last legs, i wouldnt be ahocked if that team stsrts to really fall off even with Giannis...They are an old team with Lopez and Middleton...I wouldnt be surprised if Lillard is traded..

Pacers need a scorer and honestly even after this series i am not worried about them, they would of been a first round exit if the Bucks were healthy abd swept if the Knicks were healthy..

Orlando is up and coming but they have a lot of holes, need shooting another elite scorer, they have a very good piece in Banchero but need more..

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Would you agree the Knicks need to go further in the playoffs next year?

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Would you agree the Knicks need to go further in the playoffs next year?

Yeah of course, this team healthy would of won 60 games and probably sweeps this Pacers team..

I mean you could of had Randle on siakim and lrt OG harrass Haliburton with Divo off ball..

You then would have Hart, Deuce coming in off the bench with Bojan and Mitch

That core to me is Brunson, DDV, Hart and OG

Thats the group I would build around and keep adding players who fit that identity and fill the weaknesses

In comment 16520094 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16520092 Sean said: Quote: Would you agree the Knicks need to go further in the playoffs next year? Yeah of course, this team healthy would of won 60 games and probably sweeps this Pacers team.. I mean you could of had Randle on siakim and lrt OG harrass Haliburton with Divo off ball.. You then would have Hart, Deuce coming in off the bench with Bojan and Mitch

Yep. Randle getting hurt against Miami was such a killer. Remember that when he's frustrating everyone in November.

Is going nowhere with his contract. Bonovich is the one who has the salary to throw in for a deal. Randle signed with CAA so if he wants to stay he will. Hartenstein will probably leave cause someone will give him a big contract. Mich can’t stay healthy so there is a decision to be made there. Divo probably 6th man. Hart going no where but we need to upgrade the #2 and get a stretch 5. Picks are available if we get a stud at the 2 or the #5.

the Nova boys want Mikal, i think its obvious Mikal wants the Knicks and be with his friends, i think the Knicks will make a big offer to the Nets to get him, would they trade him? i dont know but the Knicks are goingnto try..

You go into this offseason with Brunson, Divl, Hart and OG as your core 4, any move you make is with them in mind and how everything fits.

The last thing whoever is added to this team, regardless of talent level, they better embrace this culture, if they cant they are goingnto be chewed up and spit out

Need a center who is a scoring threat

is 4/72. That's a good contract for him, IMO. The following teams project to have cap space: Utah, Detroit OKC, Magic, Raptors, SA, Philly (I think that's it). Pretty much all of them have a starting center already.

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Need a center who is a scoring threat

to me iHart is the stopgap you keep until something better comes along. I'm fine with moving on from Mitch. Even if he was a durable player, he's seemingly regresses offensively.

coming from the free agent market - I think the Knicks offer will be right in range. These playoff broadcasts have hyped him up like he’s a HOFer.

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coming from the free agent market - I think the Knicks offer will be right in range. These playoff broadcasts have hyped him up like he’s a HOFer.

Doesn't seem to be a deep FA center class. It's pretty much just Nic Claxton. iHart may be the second best C in this class.

Hell of a year. Really fun to root for this team. No team can sustain the injuries they had, and the minutes police just shut up.

The OG injury was obviously enormous this series but I bogie was really big too. His shooting and size would have been huge.

I’d be hesitant moving on from Randle. His toughness…and it’s real toughness- will be big. They don’t lose this series with a healthy Randle.

Hartenstein was awful. Maybe he was playing hurt but he killed them. I’m mot overpaying him.

I would also use the 2 picks they have. They need to try to develop some guys on the end of the bench. Especially a big.

If you can add to this core for one more year.

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the Nova boys want Mikal, i think its obvious Mikal wants the Knicks and be with his friends, i think the Knicks will make a big offer to the Nets to get him, would they trade him? i dont know but the Knicks are goingnto try.. You go into this offseason with Brunson, Divl, Hart and OG as your core 4, any move you make is with them in mind and how everything fits. The last thing whoever is added to this team, regardless of talent level, they better embrace this culture, if they cant they are goingnto be chewed up and spit out

On the culture point. Lock up Thibs long term and give him the raise which has been reported. Go all in on this culture.

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In comment 16520106 bceagle05 said: Quote: coming from the free agent market - I think the Knicks offer will be right in range. These playoff broadcasts have hyped him up like he’s a HOFer. Doesn't seem to be a deep FA center class. It's pretty much just Nic Claxton. iHart may be the second best C in this class.

Valančiūnas is still pretty good. He's the only other guy.

Seems like there's a surplus of "good" centers around the league once you get beyond the stars. Just about every team has one - or at least someone that projects to be good.

8 of which were against teams that didn't make the playoffs.

The OG/Randle version of the Knicks won 1 road game against a team that made the playoffs. One. Randle was terrible in that game: 1-11 from the field. Quentin Grimes had a season high 19 points.

The projections for 2025 playoff success from a tiny sample of a team that no longer exists are silly.

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8 of which were against teams that didn't make the playoffs. The OG/Randle version of the Knicks won 1 road game against a team that made the playoffs. One. Randle was terrible in that game: 1-11 from the field. Quentin Grimes had a season high 19 points. The projections for 2025 playoff success from a tiny sample of a team that no longer exists are silly.

26-5 with OG in the lineup, it is not stilly at all, they were a dominant team with OG any way you slice it

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In comment 16520000 Optimus-NY said: Quote: In comment 16519966 BigBlueDawg56 said: Quote: About rokas. He’s a really good prospect and is ready to come over. He will be a rotation piece and maybe more down the line Yeah, I'm excited about him. The question is will he come over to backup JB knowing he'll be getting reduced minutes compared to what he'd get in Europe? Rokas Jokubaitis to play in Summer League looking for NBA team - By Antonio Losada Mar 27, 2024, 8:00am EDT - ( New Window ) We do we keep on mentioning the scrub Jokubaitis' name in this thread? From your own link: This season, Joku has appeared in 28 EuroLeague games for Barcelona starting two of them and averaging 5.7 points, 1.8 rebounds, 3.2 assists, and 0.3 steals per game. He’s logging nearly 17 minutes per game while shooting 50% inside the arc, 30.8% from 3-point range, and 66.7% from the charity stripe. 5.7 points per game? That's getting near the unmemorable Kendrick Perkins level career numbers (Was shocked to learn he ever played. Have no memory of him). Except Perk put up those numbers up against competition better than American junior high school talent....

LigaACB is a lot different than the NBA. They don't score points like the NBA. Their highest scorer is averaging 19 PPG and he's the only player in the league over 15 PPG. Younger players don't get the playing time that older guys do. Luka has stated on multiple occasions that it's much easier to score in the NBA.

Luka averaged 24 MPG with 12 PPG, 5 APG & 5 RPG his last year in Spain. He came over to the NBA and averaged 21, 8 & 6 as a rookie.

Rubio averaged 24 MPG with 6.6 PPG, 4 APG & 3 RPG his final year in Spain.

will look for one more three and D at the 2 or 3. That would make the bench Divo, Deuce, Hart, and either Mitch or I-Hart. That squad would be as good as any in the NBA next year. Would be monstrous to pry Bridges from the Nets or Caruso from the Bulls.

Utah. He’s the perfect scoring big for this team.

I think iHart will be back. He’s not getting 25 mil a year or something like that I don’t think.

They will prob look to trade Robinson. His contract is very reasonable because it was front loaded and if you can manage his minutes during the regular season to like 20-25 mpg he may stay healthier. That’s not gonna happen here for a multitude of reasons.

I also think they’ll go star hunting. Rose has been pretty transparent though his maneuvering that he still thinks they’re another star away. I don’t think that has changed. If they can’t find someone then you role with this team which was pretty damn good and hope they’re healthier.

I think they’ll probably use one of the two draft picks either on a big for a 4 year pg type that can shoot and play smart defense but maybe has a lower ceiling than many

Luka averaged 12 PPG in 24 MPG
Rubio averaged 6.6 PPG in 24 MPG
Gasol averaged 11 PPG in 24 MPG
Ibaka averaged 6.7 PPG in 14 MPG
Mirotic averaged 12 PPG in 23 MPG
Tiago Splitter averaged 15 PPG in 28 MPG

These are all guys that have come over and had successfull NBA careers. If you are looking at players that play in Spain you can't rely on stats to judge them.

I argued with a ton of people that told me Luka wasn't going to be anything special in the NBA and would cite his stats as a reason why. I am a fan of Real Madrid futbol & Baloncesto so I started watching Luka when he was 16 and knew he would be special. Granted I haven't watched Rokas (I hate Barcelona) but the stats mean absolutely nothing. Hell look at Wembanyama's international career. He averaged 12.8 PPG, 6.7 RPG & 1.4 APG in 23 MPG in a worse league. Came over and was borderline dominant as a rookie.

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including good defense on Jokic. Wish he would lock in like this more often.

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I dont think you really want to move up in this drsft, the strength is the depth of the draft not the top half, there are going tk be a lot of trading out of these top picks

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In comment 16520134 Anakim said: Quote: . I dont think you really want to move up in this drsft, the strength is the depth of the draft not the top half, there are going tk be a lot of trading out of these top picks

Okay, but hypothetically speaking, how high can we get up if we packaged 24 and 25?

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In comment 16520136 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16520134 Anakim said: Quote: . I dont think you really want to move up in this drsft, the strength is the depth of the draft not the top half, there are going tk be a lot of trading out of these top picks Okay, but hypothetically speaking, how high can we get up if we packaged 24 and 25?

probably between 10-15, but i think a lot will trade out for future picks

Does Brunson sign an extension? id be shocked if he does because he would be giving up something like a 100 million but if he re-signs, with OG resigning you got your core 4 guys locked up for 3 to 5 years..

I think as for guys who will become available, look for the guys who dont sign an extension, obvious one is Mitchell, George i could see opting in and then asking for them to trade him like Harden did..

I think Lebron might do the same thing..

Also does OG opt in like Hart did and then sign his extension

Run it back. I’ve been saying I’d love them to get a stretch 5. If they do anything drastic that’s what I would aim for.

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But Isiah is being undervalued here. Hes young and embodies everything this team is about. Have to bring him back. Have to bring OG back.

And need one more scorer. I love Caruso but we need one more shot creator and I don’t think it’s Randle. Maybe we buy low for Bridges but I’m still dreaming about Devin Booker.

I saw someone on Twitter suggest Mitch, Deuce and picks for Mikal Bridges and I’d do that in a second. Nets probably wouldn’t but that’s around the idea id be shooting for.

Or you go one tier up and do Randle and picks for Booker.

Have to lighten the offensive load on Brunson and I don’t love staring two basically non shooters with Randle and iHart. I think OG is a 4 long term as well. Hes stronger than fast and does his best work against guys like Giannis.

Im also not sure about Precious. Hard to be both undersized and a non shooter.

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And need one more scorer. I love Caruso but we need one more shot creator and I don’t think it’s Randle. Maybe we buy low for Bridges but I’m still dreaming about Devin Booker.

I agree, we need another legit scorer to actually win a title, which is all I care about going forward. Teams that make the final four and beyond can light it up with shooters and scorers everywhere.

After a bad nights sleep and a long flight home ahead I have had some time to compose myself and still generally am heartbroken. Would we have beaten the Celtics even with OG? Probably unlikely. But to not have a chance is just such a bummer for a team that has given us so much throughout the year.

I think the first thing I need to say is I don’t know if I have ever felt such an emotional attachment to any team in any sport in any year. The closest is probably the 2007 Giants but I think basketball is firmly my favorite sport and this team is just so likable. They fight they play for each other they just embody New York in a way that no other team ever has for me. I am proud of them and I am proud they represent us.

I am going to go position by position with some thoughts then propose some moves I think that need to be made next year to set us up for more success:

C. I love Hartenstein I think more than most. Having a center that can operate near the 3 point line and rebound and defend the paint is an exceptionally rare commodity. I think he is firmly better than Mitch and I think the team does too as exhibited by the minutes split when both were healthy.

That said he did not have a great series, and this was not a great matchup for him. Credit to the Pacers but it’s hard to dominate the paint when Myles Turner is hitting 3s at the rate he did. I do wonder if that ends up costing him just enough in FA to where we can re-sign him to the max we can with his early bird rights which is about 17 mil per year with 10% increases annually. A 4 year 70 mil deal feels right here for both sides. I think he wants to stay and I think he will stay. I would love to see him bring back his 3 pt shot which he has shown flashes of and then completely abandoned him the last 1.5 seasons.

The other side of this coin is I don’t think you can afford to pay your centers a combined 31 mil annually unless you have a true all star at the position and we do not. And so as much as I love Mitch on a personal level, I think he is a likely trade chip this offseason. There are teams that could use his offensive rebounding prowess more than us and the lack of spacing on offense really hurts. And then the injuries, which, I hate to say, generally do not get better for 7 footers and their feet.

I want to like Precious and have him step up as the backup center but he’s both undersized and can’t shoot. I would bring him back on a very reasonable deal but would also consider cutting ties unless the team thinks he can develop some sort of shot. When you’re undersized and can’t shoot that’s just a tough combo.

Sims is meh. Would be great to see him take a leap (no pun intended) but I am dubious.

In sum I would expect iHart back but would not be surprised to see a different backup center. I bet Precious comes back for something like a 3 year 18 mil deal as a depth big at the 4 and 5.

PF. Really comes down to the Julius Randle question. Are we the team that wants to commit to him? There’s no question that his offense would have helped us this year but there’s definitely a bit of forgetfulness about “get back on D and stop arguing with the refs” Julius and “try on defense” Julius.

Ultimately he may be more valuable to us than to other teams. If you go around the league there are a surprisingly few rosters where he’d be a great fit, and so if i had to guess I think he’ll return.

Bogie came on late, but I think his biggest value for us is as a trade filler with his 20 mil expiring. I generally have no problem bringing him back as a bench microwave scorer. We probably beat the Pacers if he’s healthy.

I am going to add OG in the SF section but i do think we need to discuss if his best position is actually the 4 long term. He’s stronger than quick and I love the idea of having a true stretch 4. This is the way the NBA is moving to and there just aren’t that many bruising 4s these days. In fact the second best one behind Giannis is probably on our team already in Julius.

SF. Must re-sign OG at all costs. I don’t care about the injuries. Both seemed abnormal. The team was a juggernaut whenever he was on the floor. I fully expect him to be back. The lack of Self Creation is the only reason he’s not a max player. Get him in the gym doing Steph Curry drills all summer. Need to improve the ball handling. But his defense and shooting just immediately unlocked this team upon arrival. Must stay.

What can you say about Josh Hart that hasn’t already been said. The heart and soul of the team. The only surprising thing about him is that he didn’t grow up in like Fort Greene watching the Knicks as a kid. He just has so much New York energy. I did see a tweet that resonated with me in that he may be the first good No 3 No D player. Probably a bit harsh on both fronts but I’d love to see more consistency shooting from him. I do wonder if his best role is facilitator on the second unit.

SG. DiVincenzo was a revelation. Mini Klay Thompson. Also a guy with heavy New York energy. Kept stepping up in big moments and a building block for this team. Not too unlike Hart I also wonder if his best role is off the bench, but in a JR Smith-esque come off the bench firing mindset.

I am putting Deuce here too because Deuce is not a point guard. He just has trouble running an offense. Hes a 3&D undersized 2, which every team can certainly use. Love his mindset love his hustle. Too streaky a shooter right now but he’s made strides and I expect him to continue to do so.

PG. Jalen Brunson is a top 10 NBA player. Something I doubt even Jalen expected would be true but we’ve reached this point. I also want to point out that I actually think he is an above average defensive player. He gets hidden on defense but he does not get scored on a lot.

I’d bring back Alec Burks on a deal similar to the Precious one I mentioned above. I doubt he’ll have a robust market but as we saw in the playoffs he can score in bunches.

And so as we get to next year, I think the number one need by a country mile is a legitimate second scoring option. Is that Julius, maybe, but I think long term he’s best as a no. 3, or elsewhere.

There’s a path that could involve Devin Booker but I’ll save the keystrokes until he asks for a trade, because the Suns won’t move him otherwise.

I think the Knicks may have a really interesting opportunity to buy low on Mikal Bridges. He did not have a particularly good year last year, but it’s hard to describe that Nets team as anything less than a mess. His PG was Spencer Dinwiddie or Dennis Schroeder. He had to put up with Cam Thomas chucking. There was the whole Ben Simmons thing. There were multiple coaches and no fans and his best friends were balling out in MSG.

He’s a career .480 shooter, is that real or is the .437 mark he shot this year with a joke of a roster around him real? I’d assume the former.

The real question for me is can he replicate 2022 not from a shooting perspective, but from a creation perspective. There were 5 players in 2023 that matched his Nets numbers in 2022 where he shot over 6 free throws per game at over 85%: SGA, Jimmy, DeMar, Dame, Book. Strong company. If you plug his actuals of 6.6 and 89% it’s just Book and Dame. Can he get back to that level is the question. The strong fg% + Ft rate is a recipe for a very very strong number 2 to Brunson.

But It’s no longer a 7 season size we’re looking at like fg% but a 27 game sample size towards the end of a season where stats get wonky. Still, overall, I think the risk reward profile checks out here.

Nic Claxton is a FA. Is Mitch, Deuce, both firsts this year and a 2026 unprotected (the nets don’t have a pick that year) enough to get it done?

Bridges becomes the primary point of attack defender, OG guards the best forward, and good luck scoring on us. And then on offense you’re betting on a positive regression as illustrated above.

Would need to replace Mitch and I’d look at Goga Bitadze who in a per minute basis is an elite shot blocker who got buried in a strong Magic Frontcourt. Should be available for a reasonable cost too.

To replace Deuce maybe we go with Rokas, who this week announced he’s leaving Barca and going to play with us in summer league.

There are some interesting options in the draft too. I really like Mark Sears and Ajay Mitchell who should both be available at the 38th pick we have.

Brunson-Bridges-OG-Ju-iHart

Rokas-DDV-Hart-Bogie-Goga

Burks-Precious-Sears to fill out the roster.

That’s a really strong team. Title contender imo.

No move! That's right-you run it back with the same team and this time you hope to avoid the major injuries. This us a 60 ein team abd a Title Contender withiut thr injuries. Bring everyone back.

In comment 16520173 Eightshamrocks said:

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No move! That's right-you run it back with the same team and this time you hope to avoid the major injuries. This us a 60 ein team abd a Title Contender withiut thr injuries. Bring everyone back.

60 win team and Title Contender without the injuries

I dont want Hartenstein back but i know odds are he will be, i am ot going to be mad because i expect it but he really needs to figure out what went wrong this post season..

I think with OG his best position probably is the 4, but they need to add another 3 and D wing then at the 3, someone bigger than Hart..

Bridges would be that guy, question is how much the Nets would ask for from the Knicks, my guess minimum 4 firsts..

Mitch and Bojan are both in a trade for a star player, their contracts equal about 36 million going out plus draft picks and my guess is plus Deuce, even though i dont thinknthey want to trade him..If they could do that and then flip Randle to someone else for some depth and drsft picks then we are cooking..

2 teams that could use Randle: Mavs and OKC, OKC needs some interior players who can sckre and rebound, he would be a great fit

All in all i think the main core is in place, i think this team is absolutely right there going into next year, it should be a really fun offseason

Want to run Randle out of town. Three time All Star and when he was healthy with OG the Knicks had the best record in the league. Mikal Brudges is not a better player than Randle. Only defensively. Not even close offensively or reboubding wise. Run it back and avoid major injuries.

In comment 16520194 Eightshamrocks said:

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Want to run Randle out of town. Three time All Star and when he was healthy with OG the Knicks had the best record in the league. Mikal Brudges is not a better player than Randle. Only defensively. Not even close offensively or reboubding wise. Run it back and avoid major injuries.

its not running him out of town, you are misunderstanding, Randle is going into whats basically his final year, he has a player option for the follow year but he will most likely opt out...

He is due an extension, what many are syaing is trade him now because they dont want to give him 50 million a year its not because he is some bad player or the Knicks are better, its because the question is there if he is the right number 2...Once you give him that extension you are locked in..

Bridges is not necassarily a better player than Randle, but his contract is better, he might fit a little bit better and he has a skillset that matches this teams a little bit better

basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star..

Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it..

names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling..

Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture..

Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without

to take the load off of Brunson.

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basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star.. Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it.. names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling.. Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture.. Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without

Why would Minnesota let Towns go? It was mentioned yesterday, but Alex Caruso makes the most sense for the culture. I don't see any major moves, I see smaller shrewd moves to push this team forward. OG was the big addition and he's perfect for the team. Caruso would really help.

I like iHart more than most as well and think he was banged up this series. But also he was caught between a rock and a hard place defensively. If he left the paint to guard Turner we couldn’t rebound or block, if he stayed in the paint Turner rained threes. That’s what happens when you have no power forward. I expect that he’ll be back though. I don’t think he’s getting some enormous deal. I also agree he should work on a shot, even if it’s just a midrange j it would help.

As for Randle, I have no problem running it back next year with him as the second option. However if there’s a chance to replace him with a Bridges type player than you do it. It’s not about running him out of town it’s about always trying to improve the team even after a good season.

Unlike most here I really think the team needs another star before they take the next jump. There’s just too much burden on Brunson and that was the case even when Randle was healthy. If Jalen is having a bad game the rest of the team needs to either be plus 15 on the boards or shoot near perfect to win. I don’t know who or where the next star comes from but they should be desperately searching.

I think Mitch can and should be traded. His deal was front loaded so it’s very team friendly and when healthy he’s still a force inside defensively. He needs to go somewhere where they can limit him to 20-25 mpg until the postseason and that’s not here. OKC seems like the perfect fit for him, similar to when they traded for Perkins during the Durant-Westbrook-Harden years.

They have to resign OG, he changed this team when he played. But there also needs to be a better plan to manage his load going forward. He needs to be a 30-35 mpg guy during the regular season given the injuries.

I like Bogs a lot and want him back but understand given his contract it’s likely he’ll be in any trade we make.

Deuce is a nice player on a super reasonable contract and he works hard. I expect his shooting to continue to improve but I also think teams will want him in any trade. Maybe Rokas can be a good replacement.

The team needs a veterans backup point guard. Someone that can come in and run the offense and calm things down a bit. Idk who that is yet but getting that guy will be an important part of taking the next step. Just look at the effect Conley and TJ have had on their teams.

Long story short, this team can’t rest on its laurels. We need to find ways to get better. The Celtics who made the ECF last year added KP and Holiday last year because they recognized they were a win now team. We need to do the same and not just say well that month everyone was healthy we were great so no moves necessary! Thats not how you build a winner

But the stuff he brings to this team are really hard to replace. It’s easy to overlook it because of how successful Brunson was for most of the postseason, but it isn’t sustainable to expect one guy to take on the offensive load that he did over the course of a full season.

Teams can’t sell out on Brunson the way they did if Randle was out there. You can’t throw all of your length at Brunson to double, blitz, trap, without expecting Randle to kill the rest of your team in a 4v3 scenario. Think of all the times Randle gets doubled when he’s out there, teams aren’t throwing 2 guys at him for the hell of it. If you lose Randle, who are you bringing in to replace him that has that much gravity?

I would absolutely love to add a Bridges or Caruso type, but I think those are guys you add to play with Randle still in place. They are guys that excel without the ball, but can also give you secondary ball handling/shooting in the minutes when either Brunson or Randle sits.

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In comment 16520202 nygiants16 said: Quote: basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star.. Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it.. names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling.. Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture.. Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without Why would Minnesota let Towns go? It was mentioned yesterday, but Alex Caruso makes the most sense for the culture. I don't see any major moves, I see smaller shrewd moves to push this team forward. OG was the big addition and he's perfect for the team. Caruso would really help.

Trading for Towns or Donovan Mitchell are pretty doubtful.

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In comment 16520202 nygiants16 said: Quote: basically stating what most of us have said this is the summer they are looking to pounce on a second star.. Randle is close to being a free agent and Brunson will sign an extension this yesr or next and the team is about to be more expensive, this is the offseason to do it.. names he mentioned: Towns, Paul George, Mitchell, the hest breaking it down which i assume means Butler and also the suns retooling.. Also mentions that the Knicks are going to make sure the stsr they add is someone who fits that culture.. Also mentioned it could be adding a star with Randle here or without Why would Minnesota let Towns go? It was mentioned yesterday, but Alex Caruso makes the most sense for the culture. I don't see any major moves, I see smaller shrewd moves to push this team forward. OG was the big addition and he's perfect for the team. Caruso would really help.

Twolves are in dangerous cap category that they need to relieve some salary, Edwards hasnt even been paid yet and with reid there Towns can get them some drsft picks and some dpeth pieces that are cheaper..


I am ok running it back and adding a couple of deoth pieces but this really is thr offseason to go big gsme hunting, its the lerfect scenario to do so, if someone asks out the Knicks are going to be involved..

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to take the load off of Brunson.

Like Julius Randle?

In comment 16520209 Mike in NJ said:

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But the stuff he brings to this team are really hard to replace. It’s easy to overlook it because of how successful Brunson was for most of the postseason, but it isn’t sustainable to expect one guy to take on the offensive load that he did over the course of a full season. Teams can’t sell out on Brunson the way they did if Randle was out there. You can’t throw all of your length at Brunson to double, blitz, trap, without expecting Randle to kill the rest of your team in a 4v3 scenario. Think of all the times Randle gets doubled when he’s out there, teams aren’t throwing 2 guys at him for the hell of it. If you lose Randle, who are you bringing in to replace him that has that much gravity? I would absolutely love to add a Bridges or Caruso type, but I think those are guys you add to play with Randle still in place. They are guys that excel without the ball, but can also give you secondary ball handling/shooting in the minutes when either Brunson or Randle sits.

If you are adding a second star, Randle is most likely gone, hard to have 3 gjys that are ball dominant..

Nobody wants to just get rid of Randle but the way his contract is and the way the Knicks are set up, this is the offseason to go big game hunting

And I came away liking Kyle Filipowski and Jared McCain more than I thought I would. Flip is that stretch-5 who can also score in the paint and is an adept passer. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Olynyk. And McCain is a do-it-all guard: can score at different levels; very good 3-point shooter; selfless, adept passer...



Besides Greg, would anyone be upset if we took Flip and McCain back-to-back in the first round?

In comment 16520214 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 16520209 Mike in NJ said: Quote: But the stuff he brings to this team are really hard to replace. It’s easy to overlook it because of how successful Brunson was for most of the postseason, but it isn’t sustainable to expect one guy to take on the offensive load that he did over the course of a full season. Teams can’t sell out on Brunson the way they did if Randle was out there. You can’t throw all of your length at Brunson to double, blitz, trap, without expecting Randle to kill the rest of your team in a 4v3 scenario. Think of all the times Randle gets doubled when he’s out there, teams aren’t throwing 2 guys at him for the hell of it. If you lose Randle, who are you bringing in to replace him that has that much gravity? I would absolutely love to add a Bridges or Caruso type, but I think those are guys you add to play with Randle still in place. They are guys that excel without the ball, but can also give you secondary ball handling/shooting in the minutes when either Brunson or Randle sits. If you are adding a second star, Randle is most likely gone, hard to have 3 gjys that are ball dominant.. Nobody wants to just get rid of Randle but the way his contract is and the way the Knicks are set up, this is the offseason to go big game hunting

Right, you don't want 3 guys that are ball dominant, but you do need 2. The point is you can't just send Randle out unless the guy you are bringing back replaces his role as the secondary scorer. A guy teams really do have to pay attention to to take the pressure off of Brunson. Can Bridges be that guy? Maybe, but I like his fit better with Randle still on the roster rather than replacing him.

There are only a small handful of guys that I think you can move Randle for. Obviously there are the top stars, but I mean guys that could realistically be available. Towns would be one, but can Minnesota even move him at this point with the success this team is having? Durant/Booker both obviously, but seems like Phoenix wants to see what Bud can do with the group first. It's been discussed at length, but I wouldn't do it for Mitchell.

Other than that, real targets that could actually had, I would move him to make room for Paul George or Brandon Ingram (but you have to find a third team because I don't see New Orleans pairing Randle with Zion). Look through the top players in the league, and find the second star that really makes sense, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot available.

Honestly the guy that would be the perfect fit would be Anthony Davis if Lebron really did decide to go back to Cleveland and LA decides to blow it up. Probably less than a 10% chance that happens, but one can dream.

i am not trading Randle unless a 2nd star is here or coming back in a Randle trade..

but i do think the Knicks are going to do everything they can to get that 2md star they feel comfortable with paying 50 million a year, i dont think they are 100% comfortable giving that to Randle..

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In comment 16520216 Anakim said:

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And I came away liking Kyle Filipowski and Jared McCain more than I thought I would. Flip is that stretch-5 who can also score in the paint and is an adept passer. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Olynyk. And McCain is a do-it-all guard: can score at different levels; very good 3-point shooter; selfless, adept passer... Besides Greg, would anyone be upset if we took Flip and McCain back-to-back in the first round?

Yes, me. I am fine with McCain but Filipowski is charmin soft and a big baby. Among other things he tried to trip a fan storming the court, hurt himself, and blamed the fan.

Need shot blocking from a 5. Would much rather have Ware from Indiana who really turned it on to finish the year.

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Need a center who is a scoring threat

The Knicks need to upgrade the Center position. We need someone like Turner. Robinson needs to go. Sign IHart and upgrade if possible.

If the Knicks draft Bronny why wouldn’t Lebron come here?

Hard to imagine a better combo of winning and large market for him at this point

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In comment 16520216 Anakim said: Quote: And I came away liking Kyle Filipowski and Jared McCain more than I thought I would. Flip is that stretch-5 who can also score in the paint and is an adept passer. Reminds me a bit of Kelly Olynyk. And McCain is a do-it-all guard: can score at different levels; very good 3-point shooter; selfless, adept passer... Besides Greg, would anyone be upset if we took Flip and McCain back-to-back in the first round? Yes, me. I am fine with McCain but Filipowski is charmin soft and a big baby. Among other things he tried to trip a fan storming the court, hurt himself, and blamed the fan. Need shot blocking from a 5. Would much rather have Ware from Indiana who really turned it on to finish the year.

Interesting. Didn’t know about the fan incident. Thanks

I said it last year and I say it again, if you want to keep this team and this culture, the upgrade to be made is a more offensive minded center that cannot be ignored. For the 2nd year in a row, we were killed by that. (Bam and Myles Turner). I feel they really screwed up last year not trading for KP, despite the baggage, he was the perfect fit.

I know this will be unpopular, but I would consider trading up in the draft to get into Zach Edey territory. He could be effective on this team, at the combine, he was draining 3's and he is an excellent rim protector. Thibs would have to teach him how to defend the pick n roll. He would be a nice compliement to Mitch. I think IHart priced himself out and is too expensive anwyays.

Beyond that, they need some length on the wings, that can also be scoring threats.

I don't see the big game hunting as I don't see the fit with Mitchell. The only exception would be Booker.

I'd keep Randle and run it back, but add an offensive mindec center - Edey or someone else and some more length on the wings that can shoot. Kelly Oubre might not be a bad fit.

In comment 16520270 Jon In NYC said:

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If the Knicks draft Bronny why wouldn’t Lebron come here? Hard to imagine a better combo of winning and large market for him at this point

No to Lebron

I know people on BBI make fun of "culture" but the Knicks can't screw this up. Don't bring in anyone that's going to ruin the chemistry. Don't break up the Nova guys.

and in no way am i saying your wrong, there is a part of me that would be fine with it, but if they do you have to be ok with giving him 50 million, and this being your team for the next 5 years..no more tlaking about big stars on the way..

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If Robinson is healthy and Randle is healthy and they can re-sign Hartenstein, I think this team is a top 5 team in the league and a serious contender. For that month after the trade before Randle got hurt, they were the best team in the league. Randel takes a lot of shit here, but he already changed his game a bit to fit in with this TEAM. DiVincenzo is a huge upgrade over Barrett, who was our starter at the beginning of the season. Hart, McBride, Robinson, and Burks or Bogdonovich off the bench is a very good team. I am happy for Burks. He was hurt earlier in the year. He must have healed up, because he was playing like the guy we traded for. There is no guarantee another superstar meshes with this team. And, for all the talk about Thibs, this team seems to love him. So, like him or not, he seems to be the best coach for THIS TEAM right now. It's more important to bring in someone who will buy into what this team is about than anything else.

Same here.

The Giants have a lot of work to do. So do the Mets. DO fo the NEts. Do do the Devils.

The Knicks could fall asleep and do nothing at all for the off-season and they'd be a 54 win team if they merely endured normal bad injury luck next season. Meaning they could lose a guy or two for a month or so and still sleep walk to 50+ wins.

They have work to do yes. So does every team as things are fluid and the Knicks like most are always looking to improve.

WFAN is doing their usual over thinking mental gymnastic marathon with this team. The reality will be so much different. They could pull off a blockbuster but the odds are the Knicks will re-sign IHart and maybe pull off a middle of the road type trade, maybe they move up or down in the draft or maybe stand pat. Depends on what avails itself.

They aren't dumping players based on some stupid ass weirdo narrative that some Knicks fans insist on parroting. The front office isn't thinking the same way, especially when it comes to Randle. And yes, Mitch. Mitch is a huge bargain. Fine he has missed games. You still aren't dumping him based on that logic. However, with that said I could see the Knicks considering Randle's long term future here since his deal is coming up for renewal. Even then, gun to my head he's back and doing his usual 24-10 next season. And 24-10 is worth the max.

It's all about what else is available. We go through this every year. More often than not that pie in the sky dream is not available. With that in mind, they run it back and they should run it back.

since when? Oh since he was the only BIG on the Knicks roster all the while playing against a more talented front court night after night?

Tap into your memories. Think back to when Mitch was playing even on one leg. Think back. The center position here literally never had an off night. They were never outplayed. They outplayed any and all comers.

If you can get Embid>? (you can't so forget it) Sure i'd break up this center tandem.

The only move to make is maybe upgrading the 2G spot but I think Divo and Deuce are fine. Maybe upgrade the backup PG spot. Sure. I am all for it. Maybe add another scoring big. Both moves can be had.

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and in no way am i saying your wrong, there is a part of me that would be fine with it, but if they do you have to be ok with giving him 50 million, and this being your team for the next 5 years..no more tlaking about big stars on the way..

Regarding Randle, I'm open either way, depends what they can get for him.

On Ihart - I like him, but spending big on the center position is not a great allocation of funds, which is why I mentioned Edey.

before I’d ever pay him $50 million a year in his thirties. He has some wear and tear on him now with shoulder and ankle surgeries in the past year, and he’s yet to really impact any of the three postseasons we’ve made since he’s been here. I’d be shopping some combo of Randle, Mitch, and Bogey’s contract along with picks to see what we can get.

And I don’t see any of the three getting moved

We have not seen what this team is capable of at full strength.
Randle has not had a lot of injuries and been an ironman.
You can only give Hartenstein 16 million per so that the line in the sand if he takes it being him back at worst he is a trade chip down the road.
DDV is just starting to show what he is capable and this year was a big jump for him.
Hart, McBride, Mitch/IHart and Bojan is a strong bench.
Randle is a tough decision which I don't think they make until after next season, I think they would love to lock up Brunson but I can't see him leaving that much money on the table. OG is coming back and I think game 7 showed where he wanted to be.
I don't want to add a star that is not a cultural fit for this team, look at Phoenix and The Clippers.
It's crazy but Lebron would be a great fit on this team as an aging star wanting one more ring and has shown to be okay letting Brunson be Brunson and is a hard worker (I know this is not a popular opinion)

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And I don’t see any of the three getting moved

You don't think Randle would be moved for Spida?

After Cleveland's exit there were rumblings that they may look to retool around Mobley/Garland and move off of Allen and Mitchell.

If the Knicks feel they won't be able to match whatever Hartenstein gets on the open market, and have something lined up that would bring in a guy like Bridges or Caruso, do you move Randle for Jarrett Allen?

Randle would seem to be a perfect fit for Cleveland in a lineup with Mobley, Randle, Okoro, Strus, Garland. He gives them rebounding and scoring that you would ideally look for in a 4 next to Mobley.

For the Knicks, Allen gives you all the hustle, rebounding, defensive prowess that we loved in Hartenstein, but is also more of a threat offensively. I know he's not the "stretch 5" that some are hoping for, but there really aren't a lot of them out there.

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In comment 16520351 ajr2456 said: Quote: And I don’t see any of the three getting moved You don't think Randle would be moved for Spida?

I don’t think their interest is as high in him as it was and I don’t think Cleveland moves him

true superstar. But I am also not comfortable with giving him 50 million a year when he'll be 30 next year.

Running it back with the same group next year is not a bad thing, as long as they improve on the margins. But if they go back with the identical roster and do nothing on the margins, that would worry me.

Again, I go back to Boston and their offseason last year. Everyone shit on them for moving Smart and destroying their culture, well it turned out to be shrewd. The Knicks are in win now mode, everything should be about improving the team year in and year out. That means only swinging for the fences if an ideal situation opens up (i.e. Giannis, Booker, etc.) otherwise find guys that provide toughness and depth on the bench.

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After Cleveland's exit there were rumblings that they may look to retool around Mobley/Garland and move off of Allen and Mitchell. If the Knicks feel they won't be able to match whatever Hartenstein gets on the open market, and have something lined up that would bring in a guy like Bridges or Caruso, do you move Randle for Jarrett Allen? Randle would seem to be a perfect fit for Cleveland in a lineup with Mobley, Randle, Okoro, Strus, Garland. He gives them rebounding and scoring that you would ideally look for in a 4 next to Mobley. For the Knicks, Allen gives you all the hustle, rebounding, defensive prowess that we loved in Hartenstein, but is also more of a threat offensively. I know he's not the "stretch 5" that some are hoping for, but there really aren't a lot of them out there.

Jarrett Allen isn’t a bad idea at all and his contract isn’t onerous. However, it still might be too rich for the Knicks. And for Julius Randle? I can’t see that happening under any circumstances barring some other massive move.

I definitely think that the Cavs will consider moving off of him considering how well Mobley played offensively at the 5 in the postseason.

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And I don’t see any of the three getting moved

You’d mentioned the Knicks made an offer at the deadline for Mikal. Any idea what it was? Curious if that’s something they’d circle back to now.

There is a prevailing thought that the nets wouldn’t deal with the Knicks, but they did trade Harden to the sixers, is that really so much better?

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Don't want to link any more than that.

Not gonna pursue him aggressively at this point.

for an endless amount of speculation about trading for Bridges or Booker. I have a hard time thinking either one will happen.

To me, the players most likely to be traded are Bogey (obviously), Mitch and then Randle if it gets you a BIG name. But if not, that's ~36 million in salary to trade for a star player.

AJR, any idea how big the contract for OG's going to be? I am hoping it's not north of $40 mil a year, but with all these teams out there with cap space, I'm guessing we'd at least have to match what a team like Philly would offer him.

We had at the beginning of the year and I would have taken it all day and twice on Sunday. Run it back healthy and if you can add a tough tone setting 4/5 back up brut enforcer I’d be happy.

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for an endless amount of speculation about trading for Bridges or Booker. I have a hard time thinking either one will happen. To me, the players most likely to be traded are Bogey (obviously), Mitch and then Randle if it gets you a BIG name. But if not, that's ~36 million in salary to trade for a star player. AJR, any idea how big the contract for OG's going to be? I am hoping it's not north of $40 mil a year, but with all these teams out there with cap space, I'm guessing we'd at least have to match what a team like Philly would offer him.

I think it ends up somewhere around 5/185

Just that it was significant enough they felt the nets should have taken it

wouldnt be shocked if Knicks call both teams up and make a godfather type of offer eith Picks and Randle...

I think George will be a name that Knicks get heavily involved in, i think Clippers iwll break up George and Kawhi, dont think they want to pay both and then pay Harden as well, i expect him to opt in and then pick where he wants to go via trade

Same thing with Lebron, if he doesnt like how the offseason is going or shaping up, he will opt in and then pick where he wants to go via trade..

I think Butler gets traded, i think he would be a really good fit basketball wise but his ego and how he wants to take over organizations i dont think will be a good fit..

Bridges i expect to quietly ask out, wouldnt be shocked if the Nova 3 already had a conversation with him about forcing his way to the Knicks..

Towns i expect rumors whether they win a ship or not..

Trae Young will be traded obviously not a fit for the Knicks but i expect them to start blowing it up

would fit the team and culture really well, but not sure of the financials to make that work and what we would need to give up.

Booker makes a ton of sense, but not sure we have what it takes to get him.

But I'm also not naive to how the NBA works, the more you have that can work together, the better. That said, I would carefully pursue some of the names above.

Giannis and Booker would be the biggest names that I'd have the most interest in, but I gather it's highly unlikely to happen. As far as the rest? LeBron, no, George no, Butler no.

I'd love to add Bridges to get him with the rest of his college guys. Not sure what a potential Bridges deal would look like or if Brooklyn would even entertain trade offers from us.

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But I'm also not naive to how the NBA works, the more you have that can work together, the better. That said, I would carefully pursue some of the names above. Giannis and Booker would be the biggest names that I'd have the most interest in, but I gather it's highly unlikely to happen. As far as the rest? LeBron, no, George no, Butler no. I'd love to add Bridges to get him with the rest of his college guys. Not sure what a potential Bridges deal would look like or if Brooklyn would even entertain trade offers from us.

Lebron and George would both be absolute perfect fits with this team and Jalen Brunson..

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Nope but Phoenix and LAC have problems the Knicks even the worst Knick capped out teams didn’t have.

are the two guys you could add to improve the team without disrupting the chemistry at all. Otherwise we’re gonna have to gamble a bit with someone.

Josh Hart is one of the toughest players in the league. Brunson is tough as nails. Get all the way the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

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are the two guys you could add to improve the team without disrupting the chemistry at all. Otherwise we’re gonna have to gamble a bit with someone.

These are the two I want too.

running it back isnt really that simple, Randle is going want an extension, its either going to be extend or trade him because you arent going to let him walk after next yesr for nothing..

You are going to be in the 2nd apron, which makes it extremely difficult to trade for a big high priced guy..

I expect a big trade if it happens to happen at the draft or days leading up to free agency because once you re-sign OG and Ihart, you are going to be into the second apron

I feel like Caruso is destined to be here.

Mitch to OKC
Giddey to Bulls
Caruso to Knicks

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...I know this will be unpopular, but I would consider trading up in the draft to get into Zach Edey territory. He could be effective on this team, at the combine, he was draining 3's and he is an excellent rim protector. Thibs would have to teach him how to defend the pick n roll. He would be a nice compliement to Mitch. I think IHart priced himself out and is too expensive anwyays.

Not picking on you directly but this infuriates me. I don't want Thibs teaching anyone to defend the pick and roll because the way he defends the pick and roll when it involves the center flat out sucks. At first I thought it was just a bad habit of Mitch but iHart, Simms and precious does it too so it's the scheme. When the opposing center sets the pick our center starts drifting backwards half way between the ball handler and the opposing center trying to give our player that got picked a chance to recover. He wont challenge the ball handler until he is right at the basket. Stuck in no man's land really defending neither guy.

The ball handler has an open lane to step up and take an uncontested midrange pull up often times drawing a foul because our picked player is running right behind him full speed trying to recover. Or if the ball handler drives close enough to where our center does finally challenge him then it's an easy pass to the opposing cutting center fir a dunk/layup. If our help defender is alert enough to cut off the cutting center then it's an easy pass out to corner or elbow where the help defenders man is wide open for a 3.

One of those 4 results happens almost every single time which is why most opponents run pick and roll heavily against us and Thibs refuses to change it up. Over and over again.

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Mitch to OKC Giddey to Bulls Caruso to Knicks

I actually thought about Mitch as a fit in OKC this morning too, but didn't think there would be anything they have to offer that would move the needle (other than draft picks). Third team solves that.

I still like something like this:

Randle + picks from NYK/Brooklyn to Cleveland
Donovan Mitchell to Brooklyn
Jarrett Allen + Bridges to the Knicks

is that it basically buries Deuce.

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In comment 16520283 Pete44 said: Quote: ...I know this will be unpopular, but I would consider trading up in the draft to get into Zach Edey territory. He could be effective on this team, at the combine, he was draining 3's and he is an excellent rim protector. Thibs would have to teach him how to defend the pick n roll. He would be a nice compliement to Mitch. I think IHart priced himself out and is too expensive anwyays. Not picking on you directly but this infuriates me. I don't want Thibs teaching anyone to defend the pick and roll because the way he defends the pick and roll when it involves the center flat out sucks. At first I thought it was just a bad habit of Mitch but iHart, Simms and precious does it too so it's the scheme. When the opposing center sets the pick our center starts drifting backwards half way between the ball handler and the opposing center trying to give our player that got picked a chance to recover. He wont challenge the ball handler until he is right at the basket. Stuck in no man's land really defending neither guy. The ball handler has an open lane to step up and take an uncontested midrange pull up often times drawing a foul because our picked player is running right behind him full speed trying to recover. Or if the ball handler drives close enough to where our center does finally challenge him then it's an easy pass to the opposing cutting center fir a dunk/layup. If our help defender is alert enough to cut off the cutting center then it's an easy pass out to corner or elbow where the help defenders man is wide open for a 3. One of those 4 results happens almost every single time which is why most opponents run pick and roll heavily against us and Thibs refuses to change it up. Over and over again.

Thibs plays drop coverage with his center, the on man defender goes over the screen to not allow the ball handler to just pull a wide open 3..

The two help defenders pinch in if the center has to slid over to help on the roll man..

If the ball gets kicked to the corner those wing defenders then habe to shoot out to the corner..

The Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA, they wouldnt be that if they couldnt defend the pick and roll

They blew out the Pacers in Game 5 with 95% of the roster but failed to step up in Game 7, sans Hart’s rectus muscle, which was probably bathed in so much local anesthetics that he probably still can’t feel it. For a supposed defensive coach, how could yet let them shoot 78%?

Alright, moving on…..

If you can’t swing a trade for Booker or Bridges, you have to bring the same cast back and make some snall additions. It will be easier to attract vets now, Thibs prefer them anyway.

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They blew out the Pacers in Game 5 with 95% of the roster but failed to step up in Game 7, sans Hart’s rectus muscle, which was probably bathed in so much local anesthetics that he probably still can’t feel it. For a supposed defensive coach, how could yet let them shoot 78%?

that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that they went 4-1 against us after OG's injury - with 3 of the wins being easy for them.

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is that it basically buries Deuce.

He needs to be buried after his horrendous game 7 performance

One criticism of Thibs that I think is totally legitimate (unlike the minutes stuff) is that he's incredibly stubborn. He only wants to win one way. Once OG went down, they should have tried some creative zones to take away the three pointers from Indiana. You look at coaches like Spoelstra/Nurse who constantly try creative coverages when their teams are down to try and spur some confusion. Thibs does not, and will no do that, he wants to win with his scheme and no other way. Sometimes when a team is hot you need to try something different. He rarely does, which is why they're usually middle of the pack/bottom third in 3 point defense.

That being said, they always rank top third in overall defense, so Thibs does know how to coach defense. I just wish he'd be a little less stubborn sometimes.

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In comment 16520535 Jon In NYC said: Quote: is that it basically buries Deuce. He needs to be buried after his horrendous game 7 performance

He's young and he'll learn from it but we had a chance to cut it to 3 in the third on a wide open three pointer from Deuce that he bricked. Turned into the fast break that I believe Brunson broke his hand on.....just brutal

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Thibs plays drop coverage with his center, the on man defender goes over the screen to not allow the ball handler to just pull a wide open 3.. The two help defenders pinch in if the center has to slid over to help on the roll man.. If the ball gets kicked to the corner those wing defenders then habe to shoot out to the corner.. The Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA, they wouldnt be that if they couldnt defend the pick and roll

Yes you described it just like I said. And against most teams it works which is why over the regular season our defensive numbers are great. But when you come up against a team with 1) a speedy guard running the pick and roll and 2) 3 point shooters especially with the big that doesn't set the pick it flat out gets exposed. Your defenders can never catch up and there will always be an open 3. You only hope that it gets to a big who isn't a shooter.

You could see it was a point of emphasis for the pacers to start game 7. Overall I don't like the drop coverage scheme but no denying it can be effective. The problem is not adjusting when you see the other team has figured it out. Atlanta did the same in our playoff game against them and Miami tried to do it last year but their shooters were cold so it wasn't as effective

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In comment 16520537 nygiants16 said: Quote: Thibs plays drop coverage with his center, the on man defender goes over the screen to not allow the ball handler to just pull a wide open 3.. The two help defenders pinch in if the center has to slid over to help on the roll man.. If the ball gets kicked to the corner those wing defenders then habe to shoot out to the corner.. The Knicks are one of the best defensive teams in the NBA, they wouldnt be that if they couldnt defend the pick and roll Yes you described it just like I said. And against most teams it works which is why over the regular season our defensive numbers are great. But when you come up against a team with 1) a speedy guard running the pick and roll and 2) 3 point shooters especially with the big that doesn't set the pick it flat out gets exposed. Your defenders can never catch up and there will always be an open 3. You only hope that it gets to a big who isn't a shooter. You could see it was a point of emphasis for the pacers to start game 7. Overall I don't like the drop coverage scheme but no denying it can be effective. The problem is not adjusting when you see the other team has figured it out. Atlanta did the same in our playoff game against them and Miami tried to do it last year but their shooters were cold so it wasn't as effective

They also were missing their best defender, with OG in help, the big could play up more and made it an easier switch and help scheme..

With OG out, they had to help on Siakim and it made it tougher to get out on shooters..

Some times its not scheme, its the plahers left

But you are not trading Mitch for Caruso, he is on an expiring 9 million dollar contract at 30 years old . Mitch is way to steep a price.
Late first maybe and a 9 million match but no quality assets for him.

It would be easy or that would even 100% work but at least try something different. Switch it up. Have the center show instead of drop, try a zone, anything other than just doing the same thing and hoping for different results. They did it over and over again in the first quarter.

Fultz ever found his shot?

IHart can be had for 15? OG 35?

Thibs isn’t without warts. At some point he could be the bottleneck, right now he’s part of the culture.

Bey arrived the season after they all left.

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But you are not trading Mitch for Caruso, he is on an expiring 9 million dollar contract at 30 years old . Mitch is way to steep a price. Late first maybe and a 9 million match but no quality assets for him.

I question how much of an asset Mitch really is. There's very little scarcity at his position around the league, he's always hurt, and he's seemingly gotten worse offensively as he's gotten older. But putting all that aside, we may have tax/apron concerns and unloading Mitch for a cheaper player could help alleviate them.

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In comment 16520572 larryflower37 said: Quote: But you are not trading Mitch for Caruso, he is on an expiring 9 million dollar contract at 30 years old . Mitch is way to steep a price. Late first maybe and a 9 million match but no quality assets for him. I question how much of an asset Mitch really is. There's very little scarcity at his position around the league, he's always hurt, and he's seemingly gotten worse offensively as he's gotten older. But putting all that aside, we may have tax/apron concerns and unloading Mitch for a cheaper player could help alleviate them.

I agree the injuries is a big deal but he has proven to be one of the best rim protectors/rebounders in the league and in Thibs system that's makes everything go. When he was rolling before the injury he was setting the defense and on pace to be in the defensive player of the year conversation.
Not sure you move him for a possible 30 yr old back up rental.
Mitch could be valuable in a bigger deal .

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When he was rolling before the injury he was setting the defense and on pace to be in the defensive player of the year conversation.

If a player makes top ten in DPOY voting in a given year, Basketball Reference indicates that fact on the player's overview page.

Mitch has never made the top ten for DPOY in his career and, as of the time of his injury, his blocked shots per game average of 1.3 was lower than any previous season.

He won't be traded because stress fractures in his ankle and a visible weight issue leave him with no trade value.

His contract is incredibly reasonable, not that many years left and when healthy he’s a dominant offensive rebounder and defender. Defensive bigs always have value. He’s the perfect piece for a team on the cusp that just needs an interior presence.

Bring the team back and get healthy. Make some additions around the edges. I don't think there is a true star shaking free right now anyway.

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Thibs isn’t without warts. At some point he could be the bottleneck, right now he’s part of the culture.

Agreed. Underrated post.

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In comment 16520656 larryflower37 said: Quote: When he was rolling before the injury he was setting the defense and on pace to be in the defensive player of the year conversation. If a player makes top ten in DPOY voting in a given year, Basketball Reference indicates that fact on the player's overview page. Mitch has never made the top ten for DPOY in his career and, as of the time of his injury, his blocked shots per game average of 1.3 was lower than any previous season. He won't be traded because stress fractures in his ankle and a visible weight issue leave him with no trade value.

You are a true treasure. The way you trash every player on this team I’m surprised they aren’t picking 1st overall in the draft. But then I remember that you don’t have a clue on what you’re talking about and it’s no surprise this team was the 2nd seed.

but on his podcast today Bill Simmons thinks Mikal goes to the Knicks. Say what you want about Bill but he does have sources.

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but on his podcast today Bill Simmons thinks Mikal goes to the Knicks. Say what you want about Bill but he does have sources.

I mean given the Villanova connection, it's not a stretch to link the Knicks with Bridges.

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His contract is incredibly reasonable, not that many years left and when healthy he’s a dominant offensive rebounder and defender. Defensive bigs always have value. He’s the perfect piece for a team on the cusp that just needs an interior presence.

Agreed. Daneil Gafford is on a similar deal, brings similar skills to a team, and was traded at the deadline for a first round pick. A healthy Mitch is a better player than Gafford is, so they could definitely get something of value for Mitch.

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but on his podcast today Bill Simmons thinks Mikal goes to the Knicks. Say what you want about Bill but he does have sources.

I get the 'Nova connection, but I wonder if Nets would be hesitant to trade with the Knicks. I don't recall a lot of Mets-Yanks trade. The one Jets-Giants trade I recall is the Leo Williams one.

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Bring the team back and get healthy. Make some additions around the edges. I don't think there is a true star shaking free right now anyway.

You cant jist run it back and then still try to trade for another star

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but on his podcast today Bill Simmons thinks Mikal goes to the Knicks. Say what you want about Bill but he does have sources.

Mitch, deuce 24 and 25 this year and a 26 first for Mikal

Then flip Randle and Bojan for Paul george..

Brunson, George, Mikal, OG, Hartenstein

Divo, Hart, and a couple of vets off the bench

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In comment 16520732 Jon In NYC said: Quote: but on his podcast today Bill Simmons thinks Mikal goes to the Knicks. Say what you want about Bill but he does have sources. Mitch, deuce 24 and 25 this year and a 26 first for Mikal Then flip Randle and Bojan for Paul george.. Brunson, George, Mikal, OG, Hartenstein Divo, Hart, and a couple of vets off the bench

Gonna take more than that to get Bridges. If the nets are even willing to deal with us there will be a crosstown rival tax we have to pay

No interest in him

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A healthy Mitch is a better player than Gafford is, so they could definitely get something of value for Mitch.

A healthy Mitch ... how did you like the play Mrs Lincoln?

Mitch has missed 80 Knick games (regular and playoff) in the first two season of his deal. Eighty, in two years.

He also missed the entire playoffs in 2021, before he signed his current deal.

And he has stress fracture issues. A very large human with a stress fracture issue in a lower extremity is not a good combination and the Knicks aren't going to find a team unaware of this fact.

The good news, if one looks at it that way, is that Mitch will be back.

can not play them, I will be happy.

McBride is the only youngish player left, and everybody is ready to run him out of town for the poor finish. You don't need all veterans 1 through 15.

I can't wait for Holiday and White to curb stomp Haliburton. The Celtics have the second best defense behind the Wolves in the regular season, let's see how they play the Pacers.

OG Opt in i believe is around the 23rd

Bojans guarantee date is the 28th of june..

I expect moves to happen around these dates, Knicks are going to want the trades done before juky 1st because once Bojan is guaranteed, OG is signed and Hartenstein Knicks will be into the 2nd apron

He has a player option for 48 million this year if he opts in the Knicks could trade for him for Randle,Bojan,and a first, they would need to extend him after next season but obviously if it works out. The Knicks would have plenty of depth to keep George fresh and not play back to backs etc.
OG, George, Mitch, Brunson and DDV is a strong starting 5 with good spacing and shooting.
The Clippers have not extended him and he is about to walk to Philly for nothing it makes too much sense not to take a Knicks deal. Plus they will gain the cap space if they let Randle and Bojan walk after next season sweeten the deal with a couple of first and it's a no brainer.

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Newsflash, bigs miss a lot of games. Outside of like Jokic and Gobert, basically every top center misses a ton of games. Looking at the last 5 years Embiid averages 55 games played per season, Anthony Davis 54, KAT 50, Myles Turner 58, Porzingis 55, Ayton 57 (the guy he was traded for, Nurkic averaged 46). Bam Adebayo and Jarrett Allen look like iron men at the position averaging 68 and 67 games per year over the last 5.

Part of the reason teams are always looking for bigs is because you need multiple solid ones on your team because it’s so likely your guy is going to miss 15-20 games.

as rumors ramp up from now until July 1st, the Knicks are going to offer a shit ton of picks in these deals...They realize that their tram is going to be locked in for the next 5 uears after this offseason no matter what they do..

So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks..

They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get

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as rumors ramp up from now until July 1st, the Knicks are going to offer a shit ton of picks in these deals...They realize that their tram is going to be locked in for the next 5 uears after this offseason no matter what they do.. So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks.. They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get

This is a good point. The Knicks actually have some pressure to trade these picks. They lose value the longer they wait. Trade them now for pieces that can help.

But if you do you better have someone better or at least equal too lined up. We just got our ass beat on the boards and the team shot a playoff % record. Even with bench players we scored 109. Remember Randle is 6 ft 9 and OG 6ft 7 yea can guard anyone. We need a big and a stretch one at that, who loves to rebound. Yes I know hard to find. If we were to lose and lose because of injuries I think the front office learned a lot about this team and what they need to do. Caruso?, dev, hart, OG, McBride, Bogi, where the minutes? Great player, fits in, but a few would need to go. I don’t see team Villanova being broken up. Hart and Devo to the bench? Thibs love hart. We have work to do. Start big in my opinion.

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But if you do you better have someone better or at least equal too lined up. We just got our ass beat on the boards and the team shot a playoff % record.

Please show me what other NBA that won’t happen to when their 10th, 11th & 12th men are getting big minutes. “Next Man Up” is a cool phrase, but you can only take it so far before you get the snot beat out of you.

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as rumors ramp up from now until July 1st, the Knicks are going to offer a shit ton of picks in these deals...They realize that their tram is going to be locked in for the next 5 uears after this offseason no matter what they do.. So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks.. They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get

I don't agree here with the picks, they should try to hold on to some of them as it is a cheap way of adding talent when your cap is over the apron. I'm fine with trading some, but they should hold on to some as well.

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In comment 16521023 nygiants16 said: Quote: as rumors ramp up from now until July 1st, the Knicks are going to offer a shit ton of picks in these deals...They realize that their tram is going to be locked in for the next 5 uears after this offseason no matter what they do.. So if they make a deal and it says 4 or 5 or 6 1sts, dont freak out, this is why they have hoarded so many picks.. They are going to shop a package of Randle, abojan and Mitch with 4 or 5 firsts and see what they can get I don't agree here with the picks, they should try to hold on to some of them as it is a cheap way of adding talent when your cap is over the apron. I'm fine with trading some, but they should hold on to some as well.

thats the beauty they have plenty..

that Randle has a bad attitude or is in any way a dangerous player to build around? Where the fuck does shit come from? Does anyone watch other players? I literally saw Brunson throw his arms up demanding ref attn just about every time he drove for a layup. Randle does it and he's a lazy problem child. WTF? Watch every team. Watch every player. They all do that shit. Randle does it and he's toxic.

Why not just go by the facts that are irrefutable? FACTS. Ready? The guy posts great numbers. Year in year out. He posts great numbers while the team wins so save me the empty stats horse shit. The team that he plays for not only kept him when 90% of NY wanted him gone, back prior to the 2020 season. Then re-signed him when about half of the fans thought he'd be too risky. Then saw that same player play even better ball in 2022 then saw the same player model or change his game in 2023 when more talent was brought in to compliment the team. The staff loves him. Yet you think he's toxic.

Some of you just insist on living in an alternate reality.

I get it, he does throw his hands up and stare down the ref 3-4 times a game. We know that shit never ever happens with any other star NBA player....

Here comes BBIs favorite contrarian to set everyone straight with yet another deranged rant that will surely get you all to change your minds this time! 😂

These picks will most like be in the mid 20's and they depth on this team prohibits a 1st rounder getting a ton of minutes especially with Thibs . This is a young team that eats up minutes.

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that Randle has a bad attitude or is in any way a dangerous player to build around? Where the fuck does shit come from? Does anyone watch other players? I literally saw Brunson throw his arms up demanding ref attn just about every time he drove for a layup. Randle does it and he's a lazy problem child. WTF? Watch every team. Watch every player. They all do that shit. Randle does it and he's toxic. Why not just go by the facts that are irrefutable? FACTS. Ready? The guy posts great numbers. Year in year out. He posts great numbers while the team wins so save me the empty stats horse shit. The team that he plays for not only kept him when 90% of NY wanted him gone, back prior to the 2020 season. Then re-signed him when about half of the fans thought he'd be too risky. Then saw that same player play even better ball in 2022 then saw the same player model or change his game in 2023 when more talent was brought in to compliment the team. The staff loves him. Yet you think he's toxic. Some of you just insist on living in an alternate reality. I get it, he does throw his hands up and stare down the ref 3-4 times a game. We know that shit never ever happens with any other star NBA player....

You realize wanting to trade him has nothing to dow ith anything you just said

the OP and half this place prefaces every comment about Randle with some kind of crap about a bad attitude or toxic behavior. It's pure nonsense. The team loves him and has double and likely will triple down on his existence here. Fans are weird.

it' s just weird. I have to say something sometimes.

I just don't get the hate or even possessing a shred of angst about this guy but what do I know.

it' s just weird. I have to say something sometimes.

I just don't get the hate or even possessing a shred of angst about this guy but what do I know.

I think most people would just prefer to run it back. I think the FO will only deal Randle if they can get a slam dunk player (like Giannis or whatever). They're not trading him for Trae or Zach Lavine or whatever.

Lots of important decisions to be made this offseason with lasting effects on the team. They've kicked the can down the road an awful lot, but they're now running out of time to do a big trade if they're going to.

Randle is in his final year of his deal(he will opt out)he will turn 30 during the season and will obviously want a max type deal. I am JR fan and I am fine running it back with him but he is the most valuable trade piece/salary match/expiring piece they have.
Knicks are forced to make a decision quickly on Randle and his future if they go all in on him so be it but I understand the red flags also he has admitted such a 2 years ago.

In comment 16521145 djm said:

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it' s just weird. I have to say something sometimes. I just don't get the hate or even possessing a shred of angst about this guy but what do I know.

I agree with you on Randle, I just don’t understand why it’s so important to you to try to get through to other fans that may feel differently. Most fans simply aren’t very bright. And many of them don’t watch other games that don’t involve the Knicks so they se all of the Randle turnovers and other antics but they don’t see any other star players doing as much of either of those while watching the highlights on Sportcenter. They just see the…highlights and think all these other players are perfect.

Let’s not forget, we’ve seen many of these brainiacs calling for Thibs to be fired over the past couple of days. The same coach that led this mash unit to the 2 seed and to game 7 of the conference semis with about 3 somewhat healthy players on the team

In comment 16521163 larryflower37 said:

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Randle is in his final year of his deal(he will opt out)he will turn 30 during the season and will obviously want a max type deal. I am JR fan and I am fine running it back with him but he is the most valuable trade piece/salary match/expiring piece they have. Knicks are forced to make a decision quickly on Randle and his future if they go all in on him so be it but I understand the red flags also he has admitted such a 2 years ago.

I agree there are some things to consider don't get me wrong. The lazy or attitude narrative is what grinds my gears.

In comment 16521116 BigBlueShock said:

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Here comes BBIs favorite contrarian to set everyone straight with yet another deranged rant that will surely get you all to change your minds this time! 😂

Dude it's a message board. God forbid one or two people call out a wildly held belief that isn't rooted in facts.

I notice more and more if you try and debunk a myth around here you get insulted buy someone. What did I say that was deranged? Want me to stop? Don't fucking engage me then.

In comment 16521176 djm said:

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In comment 16521163 larryflower37 said: Quote: Randle is in his final year of his deal(he will opt out)he will turn 30 during the season and will obviously want a max type deal. I am JR fan and I am fine running it back with him but he is the most valuable trade piece/salary match/expiring piece they have. Knicks are forced to make a decision quickly on Randle and his future if they go all in on him so be it but I understand the red flags also he has admitted such a 2 years ago. I agree there are some things to consider don't get me wrong. The lazy or attitude narrative is what grinds my gears.

Lazy is a bad take but the on-court bullshit grinds on people at 30 this is the player he is no one is perfect. he is an all-NBA talent no question and the players love him so that has to count for something.

he's not a perfect player. He's too slow to rotate the ball out of the post sometimes. He takes a lot of hard shots (and hits some of them). He'd bring the ball up and be slow to make decisions on the screen. He does pout. He sometimes takes defensive plays off.

Even with all of that, he demands respect with the ball in his hands. The gravity he plays with gives other players better shots, including Brunson who was feasting on open threes off of Julius's rotations. And he's already on the team, so you wouldn't have to give up assets to get him. In 2 of the last 4 seasons he was a top 15 player. And some of that was when he was the only offensive option.

No player is above criticism, but my preference would be to see this team play with Randle. He's a tough guy who has been a warrior for us since we signed him and he deserves a shot to play with a good roster. It'll give us a chance to see if January was a fluke or if the team is as elite as the record said it was.

About Brunson it sounds like he’s going to take a 4 year 150 mil extension rather than wait for the 5 year 270 mil next year.

Should immensely help the Knicks with the cap and future roster flexibility.

Does he maybe need a Coughlin kind of self reflection? Never give up the core but I think he can improve along with the team?

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Does he maybe need a Coughlin kind of self reflection? Never give up the core but I think he can improve along with the team?

I think that has happened. The team adores him.

In comment 16521364 slickwilly said:

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Does he maybe need a Coughlin kind of self reflection? Never give up the core but I think he can improve along with the team?

Exactly what I'm thinking. Be less stubborn and use the team's depth during the regular season before going hard minutes-wise in the playoffs.

this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns?


Evan Sidery
@esidery
Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania
on @RunItBackFDTV
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Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall.

In comment 16525670 DanMetroMan said:

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this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns? Evan Sidery @esidery Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania on @RunItBackFDTV . Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall.

Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball.

In comment 16525672 Anakim said:

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In comment 16525670 DanMetroMan said: Quote: this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns? Evan Sidery @esidery Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania on @RunItBackFDTV . Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall. Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball.

The Knicks literally had Chris Smith on the team lmao.

In comment 16525679 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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In comment 16525672 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 16525670 DanMetroMan said: Quote: this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns? Evan Sidery @esidery Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania on @RunItBackFDTV . Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall. Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball. The Knicks literally had Chris Smith on the team lmao.

Wow Chris Smith is a deep cut. Impressed you pulled that one out.

In Anak’s defense it’s a little bullshit for this player who probably isn’t nba caliber to be declining opportunities to work out in front of teams that better players won’t get.

KnicksMuse
@KnicksMuse
The Knicks may consider trading Julius Randle to ensure they can re-sign OG Anunoby, per @BrettSiegelNBA
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“New York is going to do everything in their power to make retaining Anunoby their priority, sources said, regardless of whether other teams drive up his price. In doing so, this may lead to the team strongly entertaining the idea of a trade involving Julius Randle, not only for roster purposes but as a cost-saving move as well.”

into that Siegel is a poor attempt at a Dov Kleiman like figure for the NBA

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KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse The Knicks may consider trading Julius Randle to ensure they can re-sign OG Anunoby, per @BrettSiegelNBA . “New York is going to do everything in their power to make retaining Anunoby their priority, sources said, regardless of whether other teams drive up his price. In doing so, this may lead to the team strongly entertaining the idea of a trade involving Julius Randle, not only for roster purposes but as a cost-saving move as well.”

Goes along with my feeling that as much as I like Randle, OG is the more important and valuable player here going forward.

In comment 16525875 djm said:

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In comment 16525712 DanMetroMan said: Quote: KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse The Knicks may consider trading Julius Randle to ensure they can re-sign OG Anunoby, per @BrettSiegelNBA . “New York is going to do everything in their power to make retaining Anunoby their priority, sources said, regardless of whether other teams drive up his price. In doing so, this may lead to the team strongly entertaining the idea of a trade involving Julius Randle, not only for roster purposes but as a cost-saving move as well.” Goes along with my feeling that as much as I like Randle, OG is the more important and valuable player here going forward.

I feel similarly. I am especially concerned about Randle's shoulder moving forward. IF it forces him to be less physical, he is a lot less valuable to this team.

on an expiring deal to save money.

Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon.

But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take.

once over the 2nd apron is massive. I could definitely see them moving off some money. But it won't be to afford OG. I could see them moving off of Mitch's salary or something like that.

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on an expiring deal to save money. Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon. But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take.

Has nothing to do with saving money for Dolan, the 1st and 2nd apron extremely hinder the ability to make a trsde for a star...

Its why many think the Knicks will make a deal between now and July 1st then the Knicks will go over the tax and aprons to keep the players they have together..

In comment 16525897 Jan in DC said:

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on an expiring deal to save money. Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon. But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take.

This I agree with.

Using Julius to land a star or better fit is one thing. Knicks aren't moving the guy just to...move him. All NBA for a reason. He's a difference maker.

is keeping his name in the draft. I think he'd be a GREAT pick for the Knicks in the second round (he's projected to go early 2nd). Averaged 14 and 10, 4 assists, 2 steals and a block. No long range game (at least right now) but an excellent defender who can guard multiple spots, 7'2" wingspan makes up for his relatively smaller size (6'8"). He can handle the ball pretty well too. Like many late bloomer... big time growth spurt in HS.

Jon Chepkevich
@JonChep
San Francisco’s Jonathan Mogbo lived above the rim at the NEXT Sports Pro Day.

Measured in w/ a +7 ¾” wingspan (2nd largest differential) and notched the 5th fastest sprint time.

Grab-and-go playmaking + overall versatility really stood out in scrimmages.

Needle-moving week.


Ngijol Songolo
@5ongolo
Jonathan Mogbo has so many skills that can make him a walking mismatch.

He rebounds incredibly well (10.2 RPG in college with a 23.3% rebound rate) and likes to handle + distribute in transition (3.7 APG, 24.5% assist rate).

The role player playoff contenders should consider.

NBACentral
@TheDunkCentral
Nic Claxton, Isaiah Hartenstein and Jonas Valanciunas are potential targets for the OKC Thunder, per @MikeAScotto


“Rival executives are monitoring the Thunder as a potential team in the free-agent center market this summer, with several names available, such as Nic Claxton – who can potentially command over $20 million on the market, as noted by HoopsHype – Isaiah Hartenstein, and Jonas Valanciunas, who’s not expected to return to New Orleans.”

What are your thoughts on Randle in high pressure situations? He's played in 15 playoff games and hes shooting what, 28% from 3? 33% from the floor and averaging 17 pts a game. Not only playoffs, it seems like any late game situation as well. He always makes mistakes. Do you think theres anything to that? How would you explain it?

In comment 16525954 DanMetroMan said:

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Jon Chepkevich @JonChep San Francisco’s Jonathan Mogbo lived above the rim at the NEXT Sports Pro Day. Measured in w/ a +7 ¾” wingspan (2nd largest differential) and notched the 5th fastest sprint time. Grab-and-go playmaking + overall versatility really stood out in scrimmages. Needle-moving week. Ngijol Songolo @5ongolo Jonathan Mogbo has so many skills that can make him a walking mismatch. He rebounds incredibly well (10.2 RPG in college with a 23.3% rebound rate) and likes to handle + distribute in transition (3.7 APG, 24.5% assist rate). The role player playoff contenders should consider.

This guy was created in a lab to play for Thibs.

In comment 16525980 Stu11 said:

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In comment 16525954 DanMetroMan said: Quote: Jon Chepkevich @JonChep San Francisco’s Jonathan Mogbo lived above the rim at the NEXT Sports Pro Day. Measured in w/ a +7 ¾” wingspan (2nd largest differential) and notched the 5th fastest sprint time. Grab-and-go playmaking + overall versatility really stood out in scrimmages. Needle-moving week. Ngijol Songolo @5ongolo Jonathan Mogbo has so many skills that can make him a walking mismatch. He rebounds incredibly well (10.2 RPG in college with a 23.3% rebound rate) and likes to handle + distribute in transition (3.7 APG, 24.5% assist rate). The role player playoff contenders should consider. This guy was created in a lab to play for Thibs.

Raves about his work ethic, they claim he also showed off 3 point range in workouts (who knows?) but watching clips of him he really truly reminds me of Josh Hart. His skillset is the type that gets playing time as a rookie too.
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What are your thoughts on Randle in high pressure situations? He's played in 15 playoff games and hes shooting what, 28% from 3? 33% from the floor and averaging 17 pts a game. Not only playoffs, it seems like any late game situation as well. He always makes mistakes. Do you think theres anything to that? How would you explain it?

he was playing hurt last year and had surgery immediately after the playoffs. I'll give him a pass for that. He was a disaster vs. Atlanta in 2021. No excuses there. Although looking back at that roster in 2021, I think it was a team that overachieved during the regular season and wasn't exactly built for playoff success. Bullock, Noel, and Payton ranked 3, 4, and 5 in minutes played for us that year!

because I don't have stats to back it up...but it seems like its any and all high pressure situations. Late game situations. Last seconds of quarters, late in the shot clock, playoffs. It just seems like he folds. Maybe there are reasons and maybe it will be different, but I just don't think he fits into what we just did. He's not a run the floor and move the ball guy. He's not a shooter. He'd be perfect for minutes when JB isn't on the floor, but Randle isn't going to be a bench role player. I just don't think he fits and his history in high leverage situations gives me cause for concern.

I’d want as of now is probably Ryan Dunn. Elite defender, great rebounder, completely broken shot. Hes basically Herb Jones before Herb learned to shoot a bit. That’s absolutely worth the 25th pick as a dart throw. From Long Island too.

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I watch…a lot of big ten basketball and I’m honestly not even sure who you’re talking about unless this was a Caitlin Clark joke

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I’d want as of now is probably Ryan Dunn. Elite defender, great rebounder, completely broken shot. Hes basically Herb Jones before Herb learned to shoot a bit. That’s absolutely worth the 25th pick as a dart throw. From Long Island too.

If they keep their second I’m also going to stump for Ajay Mitchell. Love his game and guys have proven that you can be successful in the nba coming from a smaller conference.

but i still think they trsde 1 if not both picks

Ulrich Chomche in the draft.

By the way, here's Josh Hart talking about Thibs.
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In comment 16526002 Jon In NYC said:

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In comment 16526000 Anakim said: Quote: . I watch…a lot of big ten basketball and I’m honestly not even sure who you’re talking about unless this was a Caitlin Clark joke

I had to google it. Payton Sandfort

In comment 16526032 Anakim said:

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In comment 16526002 Jon In NYC said: Quote: In comment 16526000 Anakim said: Quote: . I watch…a lot of big ten basketball and I’m honestly not even sure who you’re talking about unless this was a Caitlin Clark joke I had to google it. Payton Sandfort

Oh wow I wouldn’t have pegged him as an nba caliber guy personally. I do think they can find higher upside probably and they’re in a spot where they don’t really need immediate rotation help.

That’s one of the reasons I like Dunn. Let him sit and figure out a jumper for two years similar to how they’ve handled Deuce

Hate to be THAT dude, but Bronny James...is he even any good? I feel like if it his last name was Smith, he'd go undrafted.

In comment 16525970 Kmed6000 said:

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What are your thoughts on Randle in high pressure situations? He's played in 15 playoff games and hes shooting what, 28% from 3? 33% from the floor and averaging 17 pts a game. Not only playoffs, it seems like any late game situation as well. He always makes mistakes. Do you think theres anything to that? How would you explain it?

I don’t love him in ultra clutch spots but he has hit game winners. That said he’s also played very well over 100s of games for NY, including many 4th quarters that saw the Knicks win on his back.

I just think many over think it with Randle. He’s not legendary good no one is saying he is. Still an elite force at PF. He’s also relatively cheap and the Knicks got him for literally nothing. He helped turn this franchise around.

But no, I am not deluding myself or anyone into thinking Randle is some flawless transcendent superstar without weakness. He’s still great. He’s also coming off 2 straight injuries now and is about to get more expensive. I’d be open to just about anything within reason.

In comment 16525679 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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In comment 16525672 Anakim said: Quote: In comment 16525670 DanMetroMan said: Quote: this an indication Lebron is considering the Suns? Evan Sidery @esidery Bronny James was scheduled for 10 workouts with NBA teams, but he’s declined all of them except two: Lakers and Suns, per @ShamsCharania on @RunItBackFDTV . Phoenix will legitimately be considering Bronny at No. 22 overall. Kind of rubs me the wrong way. Bronny isn't that good of a prospect that he can decline workouts for teams. He's at best a second round talent with defensive upside. Aside from Thanasis, I can't think of another example of a nepo situation in basketball. The Knicks literally had Chris Smith on the team lmao.

Hah, I forgot about him

A guy has a bad series and all of a sudden fans label the guy a choke artist. Context matters. Randle was the only good or great player in 2020. 2022 he’s rounding into form during the playoffs and his ankle goes. People forgot he had a 20-10 game, then was red hot in a game only to get hurt.

For the sake of argument I’m fine acknowledging Randle hasn’t played his best ball in May. But that can change. We’ve seen it go both ways. Things change. Randle has the skill set to make a difference.

the absolute best version of Randle to date when he got hurt.

December and January combined he averaged 26/8.5/4.5 on 51% from the field and 84% from the line.

I need him to stay engaged on defense but on offense he was a monster. I think he's being undervalued when everyone keeps suggesting he gets moved for Bridges or for future picks or whatever.

In comment 16526048 djm said:

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In comment 16525970 Kmed6000 said: Quote: What are your thoughts on Randle in high pressure situations? He's played in 15 playoff games and hes shooting what, 28% from 3? 33% from the floor and averaging 17 pts a game. Not only playoffs, it seems like any late game situation as well. He always makes mistakes. Do you think theres anything to that? How would you explain it? I don’t love him in ultra clutch spots but he has hit game winners. That said he’s also played very well over 100s of games for NY, including many 4th quarters that saw the Knicks win on his back. I just think many over think it with Randle. He’s not legendary good no one is saying he is. Still an elite force at PF. He’s also relatively cheap and the Knicks got him for literally nothing. He helped turn this franchise around. But no, I am not deluding myself or anyone into thinking Randle is some flawless transcendent superstar without weakness. He’s still great. He’s also coming off 2 straight injuries now and is about to get more expensive. I’d be open to just about anything within reason.

That's the thing though, Randle has been really good and he's been an important part of making the Knicks good, but he's not the guy to get us to the next level. Randle came to the Knicks when nobody else wanted to and he helped turn us into a playoff caliber team. He's perfect in that role, but he's just not a guy that's gonna get you over the hump, IMO. He has too many important flaws.

I can remember one game winner and it was on a broken play when he lost the ball and then chucked a prayer. Are there more? I can remember dozens of times he lost his dribble or turned the ball over or missed the game winner.

to try and run it back with Randle and id be ok with it but at the same time i juat dont think he is the best fit next to Brunson..

He is a very good player and has a lot for this organization but in the end i dont think he is the number 2 to get this team over the top..

You need a guy where you say in a playoff game ok i am ok with Brunson or the other guy having the ball in their hands, i do not trust Rand le in those big spots

In comment 16526571 Kmed6000 said:

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In comment 16526048 djm said: Quote: In comment 16525970 Kmed6000 said: Quote: What are your thoughts on Randle in high pressure situations? He's played in 15 playoff games and hes shooting what, 28% from 3? 33% from the floor and averaging 17 pts a game. Not only playoffs, it seems like any late game situation as well. He always makes mistakes. Do you think theres anything to that? How would you explain it? I don’t love him in ultra clutch spots but he has hit game winners. That said he’s also played very well over 100s of games for NY, including many 4th quarters that saw the Knicks win on his back. I just think many over think it with Randle. He’s not legendary good no one is saying he is. Still an elite force at PF. He’s also relatively cheap and the Knicks got him for literally nothing. He helped turn this franchise around. But no, I am not deluding myself or anyone into thinking Randle is some flawless transcendent superstar without weakness. He’s still great. He’s also coming off 2 straight injuries now and is about to get more expensive. I’d be open to just about anything within reason. That's the thing though, Randle has been really good and he's been an important part of making the Knicks good, but he's not the guy to get us to the next level. Randle came to the Knicks when nobody else wanted to and he helped turn us into a playoff caliber team. He's perfect in that role, but he's just not a guy that's gonna get you over the hump, IMO. He has too many important flaws. I can remember one game winner and it was on a broken play when he lost the ball and then chucked a prayer. Are there more? I can remember dozens of times he lost his dribble or turned the ball over or missed the game winner.

So we cannot win a title with an all nba player at PF?

Why does he have to be THE guy? We have Brunson and even OG filling big roles here now. We have Divo and Hart filling big roles here now--all these guys weren't here in 2020. Most weren't here in 2022.

A team can win a title with Horace Grant but not Julius Randle? A team can come within a finger tip of of an NBA title with Charles Oakley as the 3rd best player (or even 2nd best) but we cannot win with Randle? That's what everyone is telling me? I can't buy that.

Randle is a terrific player even if he's not THE guy. Fine. Let someone else be THE guy.

while he hasn't hit many game winners at the buzzer not many guys do hit many game winners like that. And many seem to forget the 15 pt 4th quarter assaults this guy unleashes too many times to count.

Like I said, if you can improve upon Randle or flesh out the roster and finances here as to improve the team and it requires Randle being dealt? I am all ears. Until then, he's fine here. He's a winning player even if he's not the best PF of this era. He's still great.

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Like I said, if you can improve upon Randle or flesh out the roster and finances here as to improve the team and it requires Randle being dealt? I am all ears. Until then, he's fine here. He's a winning player even if he's not the best PF of this era. He's still great.

I agree djm. I think if we had a healthy Randle, Brunson & OG, we'd still be in the playoffs battling Boston.

if you trust him with the ball in his hands to score and take over playoff games as the 2nd option then you are going to want to keep him..

If you dont, you are not going to want to keep him..

This isnt about regular season anymore, all those accolades are amazing and he has done a lot for this organization, but right now its about winning in the playoffs

I tend to agree Randle as the 2nd guy with little to no alpha scoring around him (i consider Divo an alpha scorer when needed) I wouldn't be in love with that.

This team is loaded with shooting and scoring now. Randle hasn't been afforded that luxury since he's been here save for a month this season and what happened? The Knicks destroyed everyone.

Randle already displayed that he can work within this system. And he's already displayed that he can taylor his game around the new comers (OG, Hart, Divo)

We'd be playing right now if OG or Randle stayed healthy. We'd be up in this series if they were both healthy. We were cheated. Don't give up on this team just yet.

we need a guy like Randle.

IF they bring in a guy like Mitchell or even Paul George things change.

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if you trust him with the ball in his hands to score and take over playoff games as the 2nd option then you are going to want to keep him..

It seems to me that in the past when Randle was the 1st option (w/ no dependable 2nd option), he would force things, a bad shot or he'd turn it over with a spin move into traffic (trying to be superman), etc.

But before he got hurt this yr, it seemed like he knew he had other options and wasn't forcing things.

I guess we'll find out what the FO & Thibs feels about him in the next few mos.

I don't believe he can learn how to fit into the big picture. He isn't a good spot up shooter. He isn't great at running the floor and finishing. He isn't great at moving the ball and moving without the ball. Those things are what made the 23/24 Knicks successful, IMO. So for those reasons, I don't believe he fits into the big picture. He needs to be Jalen Brunson and have a team built around him rather than a Robin to another Batman. In my humble opinion.

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In comment 16526755 nygiants16 said: Quote: if you trust him with the ball in his hands to score and take over playoff games as the 2nd option then you are going to want to keep him.. It seems to me that in the past when Randle was the 1st option (w/ no dependable 2nd option), he would force things, a bad shot or he'd turn it over with a spin move into traffic (trying to be superman), etc. But before he got hurt this yr, it seemed like he knew he had other options and wasn't forcing things. I guess we'll find out what the FO & Thibs feels about him in the next few mos.

Thats fine in the regular season but in the playoffs you need 2 guys go out and sckre 25 to 30..

Dallas has Doncic and Kyrie

Minnesota has Edwards and Towns

Boston has Brown and Tatum..

We are a different team with OG, with or without Randle.

we agree. He's a perfect fit for a title contender. Pray he stays healthy for one full season/playoff. Give me just one run with everyone healthy. We will see the Knicks win a title if it happens.

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We are a different team with OG, with or without Randle.

Yup and Donte shot the lights out

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We are a different team with OG, with or without Randle.

No disagreement. But in January Randle played within the team concept and we were unbeatable. So I think the question is whether the Knicks try to get back to the January team, with everybody healthy, or go in another direction. If Randle is healthy and has his head on straight (which he seemed to in January), he's a very valuable player.

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In comment 16526769 Kmed6000 said: Quote: We are a different team with OG, with or without Randle. No disagreement. But in January Randle played within the team concept and we were unbeatable. So I think the question is whether the Knicks try to get back to the January team, with everybody healthy, or go in another direction. If Randle is healthy and has his head on straight (which he seemed to in January), he's a very valuable player.

That works in the regular season, that style wont work in the playoffs

Knicks went 12-2. They were 8-0 against teams that didn't make the playoffs and 4-2 against teams that did. Brunson missed one of those losses.

PPG during that 14 game span:

Brunson: 28.6
Randle: 23.8
OG: 15.6
DDV: 13.5
Grimes: 9.4
McBride: 8.6
Hartenstein: 7.7
Hart: 6.8

Grimes had two of his best games of the season in two of the four wins the Knicks had against playoff teams (Nuggets and Sixers) scoring 19 points in each.

DDV's hot streak immediately followed the game in which both Randle and OG were injured and put out of action: a six game span in which DDV averaged 29.2 a game.

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In comment 16525897 Jan in DC said: Quote: on an expiring deal to save money. Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon. But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take. Has nothing to do with saving money for Dolan, the 1st and 2nd apron extremely hinder the ability to make a trsde for a star... Its why many think the Knicks will make a deal between now and July 1st then the Knicks will go over the tax and aprons to keep the players they have together..

I know that. But they're not trading one of the all-stars on the team to make sure they're under the apron. That's what I'm saying.

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In comment 16525902 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 16525897 Jan in DC said: Quote: on an expiring deal to save money. Dolan has been spared paying any money at all for this roster for ages, but that's coming to an end soon. But they're not going to trade Julius to avoid paying luxury tax or some shit. That's a bonkers take. Has nothing to do with saving money for Dolan, the 1st and 2nd apron extremely hinder the ability to make a trsde for a star... Its why many think the Knicks will make a deal between now and July 1st then the Knicks will go over the tax and aprons to keep the players they have together.. I know that. But they're not trading one of the all-stars on the team to make sure they're under the apron. That's what I'm saying.

Yes i agree to a point, i think the apron will definitely be part of the conversation, I think if they want to run it back but leave their options open, that apron is gokng to to come into play..

Thats why i think if a big move happens, it will happen before July 1st

some of that decision depends on if they do a Brunson extension sooner rather than later. I can see them making a move mid-season, but you're definitely right. The move will have to be soon because people on this team are about to get paid.

by July 1st their payroll could look like this:

OG: 35 million
Randle: 30
Brunson 24
Ihart: 16
Hart: 18
mitch: 16
Bojan: 22
Divencenzo: 11
Mcbride 4.3

Thats 176 already, doesnt include draft picks, Precious, and cap holds

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by July 1st their payroll could look like this: OG: 35 million Randle: 30 Brunson 24 Ihart: 16 Hart: 18 mitch: 16 Bojan: 22 Divencenzo: 11 Mcbride 4.3 Thats 176 already, doesnt include draft picks, Precious, and cap holds

Remind me what the deal is with Bojan's contract. It becomes guaranteed at the end of June?

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In comment 16526967 nygiants16 said: Quote: by July 1st their payroll could look like this: OG: 35 million Randle: 30 Brunson 24 Ihart: 16 Hart: 18 mitch: 16 Bojan: 22 Divencenzo: 11 Mcbride 4.3 Thats 176 already, doesnt include draft picks, Precious, and cap holds Remind me what the deal is with Bojan's contract. It becomes guaranteed at the end of June?

June 28th, 2 million of it is guaranteed, after that date it is fully

You need another who can create on his own. OG is a great 3rd clog who contributes in other ways.

Are there any realistic targets on the market better than Randle? You tell me.

they would have swept the Pacers. This year. And they would have given Boston quite the run. This team was insanely good before Randle and OG got hurt at the same time. If an upgrade is truly available, go for it. But be very careful breaking this team up.

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they would have swept the Pacers. This year. And they would have given Boston quite the run. This team was insanely good before Randle and OG got hurt at the same time. If an upgrade is truly available, go for it. But be very careful breaking this team up.

You run it back you better be damn sure this is a title contender, because you are then going into next year most likely giving Randle an extension, Brunson an extension this yesr or next and if its next it is over 45 million a year..

There is no longer stsr hunting, there is no trading Randle for another star...

Like I said, I am open to a move. I think the best course may be to move Randle. But if they do, they need to get a guy who can be a true creator back. Not a guy like Bridges, who can't create on his own. They also need to add some depth.

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In comment 16526986 ElitoCanton said: Quote: they would have swept the Pacers. This year. And they would have given Boston quite the run. This team was insanely good before Randle and OG got hurt at the same time. If an upgrade is truly available, go for it. But be very careful breaking this team up. You run it back you better be damn sure this is a title contender, because you are then going into next year most likely giving Randle an extension, Brunson an extension this yesr or next and if its next it is over 45 million a year.. There is no longer stsr hunting, there is no trading Randle for another star...

Walker Kessler for Mitch and a first, who says no?

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Walker Kessler for Mitch and a first, who says no?

Probably Jazz

probably. I could see them making a push for Clarkson though. Definitely cheaper than Sexton (and worse)

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probably. I could see them making a push for Clarkson though. Definitely cheaper than Sexton (and worse)

Supposedly Clarkson wanted to come to the Knicks at the deadline, i forget who reported it but apparently they heard from Clarkson directly..

Clarkson is the type of move you make after you make your stsr trade..

Clarkson off the bench with Josh hart and maybe Mcbride if he is still here..

Now I am seeing sign and trade OG to the Nets. Bridges isn't an upgrade. Only way trading Julius is for an upgrade.

Fred Katz has said on multiple podcasts that Randle is bought in on the team with OG. The Knicks do need someone off the bench who can create for himself and others. That means moving Bojan and or Mitch.

This is the first time in forever that there will be talented players traded to upgrade the roster

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Now I am seeing sign and trade OG to the Nets. Bridges isn't an upgrade. Only way trading Julius is for an upgrade. Fred Katz has said on multiple podcasts that Randle is bought in on the team with OG. The Knicks do need someone off the bench who can create for himself and others. That means moving Bojan and or Mitch. This is the first time in forever that there will be talented players traded to upgrade the roster

Randle can be bought in all he wants and thats great for the regular season, but in the playoffs i fear jt eont be enough

He'll be re-signed. The deal has probably be done for while.

he fit in seamlessly when the Knicks put the January lineup together. Donte and OG are unselfish high IQ players who make quick decisions. Much different than the previous lineups - RJ was shoot first, Mitch isn’t part of the offense aside from screens and crashing the boards, Grimes was strictly catch and shoot from the corners. The previous two years were worse - Kemba, Fournier, Payton, Bullock, Noel, etc. Maybe they found the exact formula for him to flourish.

On the other hand, if Randle is on the court during the frantic sequence that led to Donte’s game winner against Philly - does he do something to screw it up? Does he force up a bad shot if he gets that pass from Hartenstein instead of kicking it out like OG did? That’s what worries you.

with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling..

If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options..

Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart

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he fit in seamlessly when the Knicks put the January lineup together. Donte and OG are unselfish high IQ players who make quick decisions. Much different than the previous lineups - RJ was shoot first, Mitch isn’t part of the offense aside from screens and crashing the boards, Grimes was strictly catch and shoot from the corners.

Grimes was part of the January lineup. He wasn't traded until February 8.

And, as I posted above, he made significant contribution to two (of only four) games the OG/Randle lineup won against a playoff team, scoring a season high 19 points in each.

I recall Grimes got hot during garbage time in the January blowout win against Philly, so I’m not gonna give him too much credit.

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Very hard to find, but it sounds a lot like Paul George. Are you willing to take that health and age risk.

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with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling.. If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options.. Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart

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I recall Grimes got hot during garbage time in the January blowout win against Philly, so I’m not gonna give him too much credit.

Fair enough, but note that DDV was starting but often not finishing. He averaged fewer minutes than Hart did for the OG/Randle lineup (24.8 vs 27.8).

The tradeoff there is an issue that went away with Randle's injury, but will return next year.

five All-NBA players on the roster for Thibs to keep Hart on the bench in crunch time. One missed rebound and he’s at the scorer’s table.

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In comment 16527120 bceagle05 said: Quote: he fit in seamlessly when the Knicks put the January lineup together. Donte and OG are unselfish high IQ players who make quick decisions. Much different than the previous lineups - RJ was shoot first, Mitch isn’t part of the offense aside from screens and crashing the boards, Grimes was strictly catch and shoot from the corners. Grimes was part of the January lineup. He wasn't traded until February 8. And, as I posted above, he made significant contribution to two (of only four) games the OG/Randle lineup won against a playoff team, scoring a season high 19 points in each.

You keep bringing up how the January lineup was some sort of fluke and not really sustainable because of who they beat..

First off the lineup was beating teams by 17 points and were the nunber 1 defense by far...

second you are completely leaving out when OG played they were 26-5....

So maybe the jan lineup is a little overhyped, but they are still an elite team with OG..

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with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling.. If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options.. Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart

Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load.

The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson.

I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.

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In comment 16527123 nygiants16 said: Quote: with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling.. If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options.. Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load. The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson. I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.

Everything you said is fine for the regular season, i happen to think they could win 60 games with that team because of the lack of defense and how dominant that atarting 5 can be and i even would be fine running it back..

But at the same time when it comes to the playoffs its not about just not being able to double Brunson, they werent able to double Brunson in these playoffs. Its also not about just oh move the ball and run an offense, in the playoffs it is iso heavy, every team runs it, ball in your best players hands...How does Randle help that when he is a 35% shooter?

Can Randle create a little bit and make Brunson's life easier? 100% but at the same time when Brunson is off we see Randle and the Knicks struggle..

In the playoffs 3 minutes left you trust Randle with the ball in his hands? Will the defense in that situation be scared of Randle off ball? I dont think so..

I think Randle is a damn good player but sometimes that damn good player is not the right fit or is jist not enough to put you over the top, Look at Derozan and Lowry in Toronto, they won 60 games and didnt win anything in the playoffs..

You need a dynamic scorer who can also shoot the 3 consistently next to Brunson

This team is about winning a championship, as crazy as it is say but there is no more oh 2nd round good season. Everything the team does, the front office does is about winnning a championship..

So who is in your way in the east?

Boston: 2 big wings, play a little bit smaller and shoot a ton of 3s and switch everything defensively..

Milwaukee: Giannis and Dame for now, an older team but shoot a ton of 3s

Orlando: Young, athletic, will play hard defemse for 48, not the best shooting team, definitely need another guy next to banchero

Those are the 3 teams in the east that will give you trouble in the next 2 or 3 years

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In comment 16527123 nygiants16 said: Quote: with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling.. If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options.. Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load. The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson. I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.

Excellent post. Could not echo these sentiments any more strongly.

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In comment 16527123 nygiants16 said: I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.

This is the problem right here, what happens when you go over the second apron and this keeps happening and you are stuck?

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In comment 16527123 nygiants16 said: Quote: with another big wing that cna handle a little bit and can knock down the 3, doesnt need the ball to be effective but when Brunson is off, he can tske kver the ball handling.. If you have Brunson, Divo, big wing, OG and Hartenstein, that is a tough lineup to defend with multiple options.. Then you add a scorer off the bench with Hart Honestly, I think Randle fills most of what you are looking for there. When he is bought in, he looks the part of an excellent Robin to Brunson's Batman. All reports are that he is bought in, and hopefully watching how this team played with Brunson as the focal point has convinced him to fully embrace taking the backseat. He just needs to know when to pick his spots, and in which match ups he needs to take on more of the scoring load. The biggest benefit I am looking forward to seeing with Randle next season is he prevents teams from selling out on Brunson the way that Philly and Indiana did. You want to throw Oubre your all of your long defenders at Brunson, want to double him and trap him? Good luck playing 4v3 against a lineup that also has Julius Randle on the floor. We have all watched Randle long enough to know teams consistently throw double teams at him, the guy eats up single coverage, and you can't double both him and Brunson. I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore.

Really well said. Brunson's spot up opportunities went to 0 after Julius left the lineup. We need a player that will create gravity on offense (and ideally be efficient). I don't think that Mikal Bridges would have that effect on this team, as much as I like him as a player.

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In comment 16527193 Mike in NJ said: Quote: In comment 16527123 nygiants16 said: I just hope we get a locked in Julius this season. The defensive lapses, the possessions that he doesn't even pretend to try to rotate or closeout, that shit can't happen anymore. This is the problem right here, what happens when you go over the second apron and this keeps happening and you are stuck?

Because of the cap implications they are going to have to make a decision on Julius before the trade deadline. In theory Julius could be the guy that checks all of those boxes, but if January roles around and he isn't fitting in or isn't buying in to what his role should be, then you look to move him. If they sign him to an extension early August, then they can still move him at the deadline as 6 months will have gone by.

Ideally they are able to find the right trade this summer, involving Julius or not, but it's not like they are totally screwed if they have to go into this season with the same core that went 12-1 with OG, Julius, and Brunson in the lineup together. They will definitely have to get more creative, but there are still ways to maneuver.

Knicks are going to be dangerously close, they may not have the option to wait til the deadline...

Either way though i trust the front office so if they dont make a deal i am not going to kill them, cant blame them for thinking this team healthy can do some damage

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ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.”

“Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”

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KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.” “Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work”

Wtihout knowing Kennard's contract details, I like the idea. Kennard is a sharpshooter and can replace Bojan's production (again, IDK his contract) and as much as we like Mitch and his defensive presence, he simply can't stay healthy. Cut bait.

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In comment 16527672 DanMetroMan said: Quote: KnicksMuse @KnicksMuse ESPN’s Chris Herring says the Memphis Grizzlies should trade for Mitchell Robinson in his recent article, “10 Blockbuster Deals That Need to Happen This Offseason.” “Memphis would almost certainly have to send out the same amount of salary -- possibly someone like sharpshooter Luke Kennard -- in order to make the deal work” Wtihout knowing Kennard's contract details, I like the idea. Kennard is a sharpshooter and can replace Bojan's production (again, IDK his contract) and as much as we like Mitch and his defensive presence, he simply can't stay healthy. Cut bait.

Kennard has 1 year remaining and then is a UFA.

size under contract would be down to Randle/Jericho Sims. Kennard isn't a bad player at all, but the 2 headed monster at center was an underrated/undervalued asset for the Knicks.

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size under contract would be down to Randle/Jericho Sims. Kennard isn't a bad player at all, but the 2 headed monster at center was an underrated/undervalued asset for the Knicks.

True, but I want us to re-sign iHart. I'd rather have Claxton, but I think Hartenstein is more realistic.

over Randle AND gettable. And the game is about matchups as well as efficiency. If you don't think we could have used Randle bully ball at times against Indiana and their soft ass bigs, I don't know what to tell you. How many times in that series did we end up with Josh Hart putting down his head and driving for a mid range late in the clock? The Knicks really needed another offensive creator and Randle would have been incredibly helpful in those moments.

I get there are warts in his game but they don't offset what Randle does so well. When he's cooking, he can carry an offense and he offers a physical matchup that is trouble for some lineups. He rebounds and can put pressure on the defense. And he can make people pay behind the arc and at the line. The Knicks can try to get someone better but they won't be easy to find and acquire.

He will either be in a star trade OR possibky trade for bench pieces after a star trade

I get that he's injury prone, but he has an elite talent, a crazy good bargain and he's just coming into his own. We saw him sparingly this season, but he took the next step. The aggressiveness on the boards and on defense was something we haven't seen with him. The only way I'd move Mitch is if we traded him with Randle or Bogey in an upgrade situation.

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over Randle AND gettable. And the game is about matchups as well as efficiency. If you don't think we could have used Randle bully ball at times against Indiana and their soft ass bigs, I don't know what to tell you. How many times in that series did we end up with Josh Hart putting down his head and driving for a mid range late in the clock? The Knicks really needed another offensive creator and Randle would have been incredibly helpful in those moments. I get there are warts in his game but they don't offset what Randle does so well. When he's cooking, he can carry an offense and he offers a physical matchup that is trouble for some lineups. He rebounds and can put pressure on the defense. And he can make people pay behind the arc and at the line. The Knicks can try to get someone better but they won't be easy to find and acquire.

I dont think anyone is arguing that Randle is a good player or that hr could kf been used to beat the Pacers...

The question is can you win a championship with Randle extended making 45 million and he is their 2nd best player

We didn't have Mitch, Bogey or OG. If randle can just be "a guy" and fill in to score when Brunson isn't on the floor, he'd be great. However, he's paid to be a star and demands the ball in his hands.

If you think the knicks win those crazy late games with Randle on the floor instead of Hart, I don't know what to tell you.

Randle and Dallas' first
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I suspect Utah would pass very, very hard on that one. Markkannen will be 27 for the entire 2025 season, Julius will be 30 coming off major shoulder surgery. Kessler finished 3rd in ROY in 2023, followed it up with 8 and 8 this season with 2.4 blocks, 18.0 PER/.131 WS/48... and this is Danny Ainge we are talking about

Guys come back at 100% all the time nowadays. I just think Randle is the kind of guy to get you to playoff caliber status and he can help them take the next step.

However, yeah, Ainge doesn't make fair trades and doesn't work with the knicks either.

but I’d 100% call about Kessler. For whatever reason they just didn’t want to play him, but he’s a difference maker defensively.

after Ainge was such a prick during the Mitchell negotiations. Roster has some decent pieces but is going nowhere in a loaded West, 31-51 record last year. Definition of no man’s land. If Mitchell stays in Cleveland those future unprotected firsts they got will be middle of the road too.

at the Knicks game

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at tbe rsngers gsme

- Sounded very confident OG and iHart return

- Said rockets never offered all the Nets picks back to them for Bridges as previously reported but Marci who really is quite bad at this never asked if the Knicks were going to make a play

- mentioned that Kal’el Ware is a CAA guy (I really like Ware personally)

- thinks the Knicks are the floor for Ryan Dunn (I also like him a lot as OG backup)

And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range.

Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy.

They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop.

I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys.

I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can

Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?

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And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range. Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy. They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop. I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys. I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title?

The Mavs pick is locked in

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In comment 16528142 Jon In NYC said: Quote: And have two picks in the range where the value of the draft will land which is that mid to late first range. Dunn, Ware, Collier, Missi, George, Furphy. They’ll have some interesting choices of guys to let sit and develop. I doubt they make all three picks still but a lot of interesting guys. I’m also going to keep stumping for Ajay Mitchell for as long as I can Does anyone know if the Mavs pick falls if they win the title? The Mavs pick is locked in

Sweet, thank you. Wasn’t sure if it drops to 30 like in the NFL

Knicks are looking into trade scenarios involved 24 and 25

So lebron follows.

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Yeah if they don't use one or both picks in a trade for a star it makes total sense to package them to move up into the 15-20 range to get one player they really like. They probably don't want 2 rookies any way and they have that high 2nd rounder even if they do.

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The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden.

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Quote: The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden. Fischer - ( New Window )

Starting to get a little strange that 99% of people think OG and iHart are returning and Fischer, a known Philly guy, publishes back to back articles hypothesizing based on loose “sources” that they could leave.

In comment 16528257 Jon In NYC said:

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In comment 16528252 bceagle05 said: Quote: Quote: The Knicks will be limited to offering their center a four-year, $72.5 million deal because of his early Bird rights. Any interested rival team will have the ability to double that amount — as much as $151.6 million over the same four-year length. There’s little expectation he’ll draw such a significant number, but league executives and cap strategists are projecting Hartenstein will be able to draw at least $80 million, and perhaps upward of $100 million, from a team hoping to steal Hartenstein from Madison Square Garden. Fischer - ( New Window ) Starting to get a little strange that 99% of people think OG and iHart are returning and Fischer, a known Philly guy, publishes back to back articles hypothesizing based on loose “sources” that they could leave.

He admitted his sources on OG were from other teams telling him, hmm i wonder who 1 of those teams were, none of his sources were from CAA or OG...


I am betting the same with this..

He even said he expects OG to sign with Knicks

that Brunson will sign an extension and that Julius Randle will not..

Also said he thinks the Suns will quietly discuss KD with teams

to tie up $100 million or so for a good but not great center in iHart. They have a couple of years before the roster gets really expensive and they have to pay Chet and Williams. But if they start paying other guys they're quickly in tax territory which I'm assuming OKC wants to avoid like the plague.

In comment 16528406 nygiants16 said:

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that Brunson will sign an extension and that Julius Randle will not.. Also said he thinks the Suns will quietly discuss KD with teams

I want all the old guys (LeBron, CP3, Durant, Harden, etc.) to try and end up on the same team and make a go of it.

AJ was saying if he leaves guys from the Pistons may come available right?

In comment 16528421 nygiants16 said:

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AJ was saying if he leaves guys from the Pistons may come available right?

Yep, I asked him that specifically. He’s anticipating a Cade trade request at some point in the future.

I don't hate Cade on this team actually.

The turnovers are a real problem but if he's your secondary ball handler I think there is something there. Still only 22.

Probably would require quite a few picks but he just dropped a pretty decently efficient 22-7.5-4.5 on a bad Pistons team.

Desperately in need of a change of scenery. I think some of his “injuries” are just blatant tanking too. They’re really screwed his development in my opinion.

they are willing to just do a salary dump

Levine is better than DiVencenzo at this point

In comment 16528507 nygiants16 said:

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they are willing to just do a salary dump

Hell no. He's the epitome of 'Good stats, bad team' dude.

In comment 16528507 nygiants16 said:

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they are willing to just do a salary dump

sauerkraut is more durable than that guy's knee ligaments. Hard pass.

In comment 16528508 Jon In NYC said:

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Levine is better than DiVencenzo at this point

I dont either and i wanted Lavine badly a couple of yesrs ago

one, hold on to him.

wouldn't the Knicks make a play for Brandon Ingram? Buy low and play him as a big 2 and secondary creator. Budget Paul George but 8 years younger

In comment 16528494 bceagle05 said:

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Desperately in need of a change of scenery. I think some of his “injuries” are just blatant tanking too. They’re really screwed his development in my opinion.

+1

but I'm circling back to the Caruso idea and kinda love it? Does Mitch straight up get it done? Mitch and a pick?

You have a starting 5 of Brunson-Caruso-OG-Randle-iHart with basically two all first team defense players who are also knock down shooters and two top tier scorers with Isaiah contributing on both ends.

Bench of Deuce-DVo-Hart-Bogie-Precious

Probably need to add a backup big (I like Goga for cheap personally)

But yeah that's a scary team.

In comment 16528778 Jon In NYC said:

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but I'm circling back to the Caruso idea and kinda love it? Does Mitch straight up get it done? Mitch and a pick? You have a starting 5 of Brunson-Caruso-OG-Randle-iHart with basically two all first team defense players who are also knock down shooters and two top tier scorers with Isaiah contributing on both ends. Bench of Deuce-DVo-Hart-Bogie-Precious Probably need to add a backup big (I like Goga for cheap personally) But yeah that's a scary team.

Not bad.

Why would be move Donte out of the starting lineup and clog up minutes late in games. You probably can't play both of them at the same time. The chemistry with these guys is outrageously good and Divincenzo took the next step in his game this year. 18ppg while shooting 42% from 3 in the playoffs.

Giving up Mitch and leaving us completely bare at the 5 is a bad idea.

In comment 16528795 Kmed6000 said:

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Why would be move Donte out of the starting lineup and clog up minutes late in games. You probably can't play both of them at the same time. The chemistry with these guys is outrageously good and Divincenzo took the next step in his game this year. 18ppg while shooting 42% from 3 in the playoffs. Giving up Mitch and leaving us completely bare at the 5 is a bad idea.

The jump on defense from Dante to Caruso is greater than the drop on offense imo. Caruso not only shot 41% from 3 on 5 attempts but also can run some point. Hes a good and smart offensive player and is just again all world defensively.

I disagree that they can’t play together. Love having both of them on the team and you can mix and match. Caruso played some 4 last year for the Bulls. Brunson-Donte-Caruso-OG-Randle death lineup? Oh baby.

I’m not quite sure what to do with Mitch. He’s a bad fit next to Randle. He can’t stay healthy. When he’s dominant he’s dominant but I’m not super interested in paying a backup 5 who can’t space the floor 14 mil for maybe 60 games a year and who knows what in the playoffs.

The Bulls are losing Drummond and were playing Vuc at the 4 to finish the season so I could see them having interest. They get younger and have Mitch for two years as opposed to Caruso for one.

Hart proved to be vital in late game situations. I just don't think the Knicks should be trading size for a guy that clogs up the guard positions. I'm not moving Donte to the bench unless its a big upgrade.

I am not knocking Caruso. I think he's a really good player and a good fit as a Donte type of guy, but I'll take the younger guy that has room to grow and is improving his game.

Again though, the chemistry between Brunson, DiVincenzo and Hart was so important to our success.

He’s behind OG and Julius and just ahead of Bogie in the rotation. Hes looking at probably 26 mpg Caruso or no