A complete WR corps among with RB and TE and maybe even OL?! Four really good players in the defensive front 7. Sure, some questions in the defensive backfield but some possible answers as well. No guarantees but at least a fighting chance. Been a while since that has been true.
A complete WR corps among with RB and TE and maybe even OL?! Four really good players in the defensive front 7. Sure, some questions in the defensive backfield but some possible answers as well. No guarantees but at least a fighting chance. Been a while since that has been true.
It'll be interesting to see if this is the year all this young talent pops. I don't get the "years away" stuff. Schoen and Daboll have been building for 3 offseasons now. Let's see if it pops.
I agree. And we're entering into Year 3 now. We're still very young, but still --there's been significant portions of the roster turned over, coaching staff, FO, scouting department, etc. If we don't see signs of that after this year, then you start to get concerned.
Rookie wide receiver Malik Nabers notched one touchdown, likely two if it were a live game. The no-doubter was on a scramble drill by Tommy DeVito during 11-on-11 drills in the red zone, where last year's undrafted quarterback eventually found this year's sixth overall pick in the back of the end zone.
Earlier in practice, Daniel Jones kicked off 7-on-7 red zone drills with a completion to Nabers. The receiver took it up the sideline, but because no contact is allowed, he veered out of bounds at the goal line with a defender in pursuit. Whether or not he got in can be adjudicated in the locker room or during a film session. They can all agree, however, that during a live game, the competitive Nabers would be on the board for six.
Drew Lock threw a handful of touchdowns during team periods, including a pair to rookie running back Tyrone Tracy Jr. He threw two more to wide receiver Miles Boykin on back-to-back plays and one apiece to Gunner Olszewski (more on him next) and tight end Tyree Jackson after looking off a defender.
Olszewski, a midseason addition who recorded the second-longest punt return in Giants history and the longest in 95 years in Week 17, reminded people that he is officially listed as a wide receiver with another touchdown from Nathan Rourke.
Claimed earlier this month off waivers from the Patriots, Rourke has not played in a regular-season NFL game, but the 6-foot-1, 210-pounder did set the Canadian Football League record with a 78.7 completion percentage in 2022 as he earned the league's award for Most Outstanding Canadian. The newcomer also threw touchdowns during Tuesday's "development" period to Boykin, Chase Cota, and John Jiles, who showed his vertical leap on a highlight grab in the end zone.
Second-year wide receiver Jalin Hyatt caught a touchdown from DeVito.
Running backs Devin Singletary and Eric Gray each scored on the ground, but again, they can debate it in the locker room.
Takeaways
Defensive back Jalen Mills had the lone interception, which came on a tip drill in the final period. A Super Bowl LII champion with the Eagles, the veteran Mills signed with the Giants in March as a free agent. He has made 83 career starts in 106 regular-season games.
Other Notable Plays
Second-year cornerback Deonte Banks broke up a pass in the end zone to start 11-on-11 drills. He forced another incompletion later in practice.
Outside linebacker Brian Burns forced a throwaway. Rookie linebacker Darius Muasau also caused an incompletion in 7-on-7 drills.
Cornerback Nick McCloud sniffed out a swing pass and would have made a tackle at or behind the line of scrimmage.
* During the individual practice period I made a beeline over to the outside linebackers group, where new coach Charlie Bullen was putting his players through drills. There was a big focus on hand placement and winning with the correct inside/outside arm, depending on alignment. The drills stressed the importance of the edge players getting their hands inside, which allows them to control the chest of the offensive lineman and win the leverage battle.
* Kayvon Thibodeaux and Brian Burns were working with each other in these drills, and it is amazing seeing how similar their body types are when they stand next to each other. Thibodeaux is a little thicker in the upper body, which is probably why he is listed at 258, while Burns is at 250.
* I then made my way over to the offensive linemen, who were working together on combo blocks in the run game. The drills featured two players, either a center and guard or guard and tackle, working together to block two defenders. One defender was on the first level with the second playing a linebacker/second-level role. The defenders would present different movements, which forced the offensive linemen to work together in different ways to get both players blocked. It trained the mental part of the game for the offensive linemen to know how to pass off one player to each other, and the physical chemistry necessary to execute it on the field.
* Later in practice, Devin Singletary joined the offensive line group and they worked together on how to pick up different blitzes. There's a lot of teaching going on from both the mental and physical parts of the position with the offensive line group right now.
* The team portion of practice featured all red zone work, with most of it coming inside the 10-yard line. The defense started strong with a pass break-up by Deonte Banks. The offense did score two touchdowns in the first team period, with Tommy DeVito finding Malik Nabers in the back of the end zone after scrambling to buy time in the backfield. Undrafted rookie free agent Nathan Rourke also connected with veteran wide receiver Miles Boykin on a shovel pass while he ran forward in the pocket but before he passed the line of scrimmage.
* The offense heated up later in practice and started getting the ball in the end zone more consistently. Olszewski was extremely active as a receiver, catching a pair of touchdown passes. He is enjoying his chance to compete at wide receiver. Jalin Hyatt scored a touchdown crossing along the back line on a throw from DeVito. Tight end Tyree Jackson was left open in the end zone for a short touchdown catch, while Boykin caught back-to-back touchdowns from Drew Lock at the end of the team practice.
* Rookie Tyone Tracy Jr. got involved in the passing game and caught two balls, one in the flat and another over the middle that could have gone for touchdowns.
* The defense made some plays in the final couple of team periods. Bobby Okereke and Ryder Anderson combined for what could have been a sack. Tre Hawkins III knocked a ball away in the end zone.
* Practices end with a developmental period for the young players, and Rourke made the most of it. He hit John Jiles near the front pylon, who made an amazing grab for a touchdown. Two plays later he connected with wide receiver Chase Cota for a touchdown.
* The defense came up with a takeaway with Jalen Mills successfully executing a tip drill to come down with an interception.
I haven't seen any mention of him, nor seen him in any of the photos.
Has this been confirmed anywhere?
You are the closest to confirmation that I've seen. Maybe he's working out with Aaron Robinson. I know he's led the team in receiving the past few years, but as a guy who's likely to be the #3 WTR, behind Nabers and Hyatt, forcing a long term $8M per year deal may very well move him off the team.
Not ignoring reality is somehow being a troll here now. Got it. 🙄
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but it might be hard to see in the record because of how bad the QB play is going to be.
Back to Reddit, troll.
How about you give this a try: not being a miserable retard that brings up DJ in every thread. I’m sure the conversations with your 40-50 year old dad emboldens you to this behavior though.
Not ignoring reality is somehow being a troll here now. Got it. 🙄
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but it might be hard to see in the record because of how bad the QB play is going to be.
Back to Reddit, troll.
How about you give this a try: not being a miserable retard that brings up DJ in every thread. I’m sure the conversations with your 40-50 year old dad emboldens you to this behavior though.
- I did a double take thinking I saw Saquon in one photo, it was Tracy
- Eric gray has been putting time in the gym
- Slide 98 shows back 7 “starters”: Okereke, McFadden, Flott, Banks, Pinnock and Belton. No surprised there but no rookies or Mcloud.
- Bashem simply looks slow even in photos, lol
- Mcloud got burned for one of Nabers TDs. The beats don’t say who got beat but the photo shows
- I did a double take thinking I saw Saquon in one photo, it was Tracy
- Eric gray has been putting time in the gym
- Slide 98 shows back 7 “starters”: Okereke, McFadden, Flott, Banks, Pinnock and Belton. No surprised there but no rookies or Mcloud.
- Bashem simply looks slow even in photos, lol
- Mcloud got burned for one of Nabers TDs. The beats don’t say who got beat but the photo shows
There is no reporter access this week except for Thursday.
He openly admitted there were things he was not allowed to say.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
I'm sick of this shit QB play and sick of people like you who attack people for facing reality.
No, this is not facing reality, it is a cry for attention.
There is literally nothing left to criticize. Most wanted him replaced. It didn't happen.
You have had a month to deal with it.
He openly admitted there were things he was not allowed to say.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
Yep. He also had strong praise for the WRs who are competing for roster spots. At one point he did mention Fort-Wheaton specifically, but he was impressed with that whole group said several had clearly come to compete.
He openly admitted there were things he was not allowed to say.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
(1) I feel like some people are quick to discount Lock.
He was brought here to compete. When interviewed after Lock left via free agency, John Schneider said the Giants sold him on an opportunity to win a job. Lock and the Giants later backed off of this stance, but why would Schneider lie about that?
I am very curious to see how he looks in this system. Maybe he can put it all together. He is still only 27 years old. With this said, I am biased. I was firmly in the camp of taking OLB Josh Allen in 2019, and select Lock later in the draft. I have always liked Lock's arm talent and moxie.
(2) I am trying to temper my expectations for Tracy, but I am very excited to see him play.
He openly admitted there were things he was not allowed to say.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
I've been saying this, Lock is better than most think. I don't see much difference between him and Jones, and frankly with Jones coming off the ACL injury (so not 100%) I would not be at all surprised to see Lock take the job on day 1.
all I ask at QB this year is that we make it a legitimate competition. Guy who earns it and gives us the best chance to win gets the job. I know there are fans would roll their eyes, but not me. I think a legit camp battle at QB would be exciting to watch. I think the winner would benefit from it too.
Of course it will never be announced, and the company line will always be Jones is QB if he's ready.
Lock is a worthy competitor -- physically, he's a prototype. A lot for Daboll to work with there.
As the injured incumbent Jones gets a few strokes, but if Lock plays well enough to beat the handicap he'll start week 1, and we'll hear that Jones needs more time.
I would love nothing more than for Lock to be a legitimate alternative to Jones, but there's so little there to indicate he will be.
I've used advanced stats to criticize Jones, so I have to be consistent here: Lock has rarely graded out well in any of the advanced metrics. He was ok as a rookie, and was passable (high-end backup) in his 3 games last year. There's a whole lot of nothing inbetween that.
Giants better hope Jones rediscovers his 2022 form (which was bolstered by his running) or that DeVito has an untapped upside we'll see in year 2.
Jones wins the QB competition. Practicing and showing well in training camp and preseason were never his issue outside of a few of those 2022 training camp session where Taylor looked better (as pointed out by Sy).
Of course it will never be announced, and the company line will always be Jones is QB if he's ready.
Lock is a worthy competitor -- physically, he's a prototype. A lot for Daboll to work with there.
As the injured incumbent Jones gets a few strokes, but if Lock plays well enough to beat the handicap he'll start week 1, and we'll hear that Jones needs more time.
I think that this is likely the plan going into the off season programs.
--Competition generally brings out the best in the people competing.
--The fact of a competition would be further evidence that this team is not sitting back on Jones being the guy. I belive this team is serious about finding their franchise guy, but putting the incumbent into an actual competition would be absolute proof of that (though many would still deny if Jones wins, which there is a good chance he would).
--End of day, I want the best guy out there. I don't care who it is.
Malik Nabers clockin' in for Day 2 ⏰
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Brian Burns content 😮💨
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😀
It'll be interesting to see if this is the year all this young talent pops. I don't get the "years away" stuff. Schoen and Daboll have been building for 3 offseasons now. Let's see if it pops.
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Touchdowns
Rookie wide receiver Malik Nabers notched one touchdown, likely two if it were a live game. The no-doubter was on a scramble drill by Tommy DeVito during 11-on-11 drills in the red zone, where last year's undrafted quarterback eventually found this year's sixth overall pick in the back of the end zone.
Earlier in practice, Daniel Jones kicked off 7-on-7 red zone drills with a completion to Nabers. The receiver took it up the sideline, but because no contact is allowed, he veered out of bounds at the goal line with a defender in pursuit. Whether or not he got in can be adjudicated in the locker room or during a film session. They can all agree, however, that during a live game, the competitive Nabers would be on the board for six.
Drew Lock threw a handful of touchdowns during team periods, including a pair to rookie running back Tyrone Tracy Jr. He threw two more to wide receiver Miles Boykin on back-to-back plays and one apiece to Gunner Olszewski (more on him next) and tight end Tyree Jackson after looking off a defender.
Olszewski, a midseason addition who recorded the second-longest punt return in Giants history and the longest in 95 years in Week 17, reminded people that he is officially listed as a wide receiver with another touchdown from Nathan Rourke.
Claimed earlier this month off waivers from the Patriots, Rourke has not played in a regular-season NFL game, but the 6-foot-1, 210-pounder did set the Canadian Football League record with a 78.7 completion percentage in 2022 as he earned the league's award for Most Outstanding Canadian. The newcomer also threw touchdowns during Tuesday's "development" period to Boykin, Chase Cota, and John Jiles, who showed his vertical leap on a highlight grab in the end zone.
Second-year wide receiver Jalin Hyatt caught a touchdown from DeVito.
Running backs Devin Singletary and Eric Gray each scored on the ground, but again, they can debate it in the locker room.
Takeaways
Defensive back Jalen Mills had the lone interception, which came on a tip drill in the final period. A Super Bowl LII champion with the Eagles, the veteran Mills signed with the Giants in March as a free agent. He has made 83 career starts in 106 regular-season games.
Other Notable Plays
Second-year cornerback Deonte Banks broke up a pass in the end zone to start 11-on-11 drills. He forced another incompletion later in practice.
Outside linebacker Brian Burns forced a throwaway. Rookie linebacker Darius Muasau also caused an incompletion in 7-on-7 drills.
Cornerback Nick McCloud sniffed out a swing pass and would have made a tackle at or behind the line of scrimmage.
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* During the individual practice period I made a beeline over to the outside linebackers group, where new coach Charlie Bullen was putting his players through drills. There was a big focus on hand placement and winning with the correct inside/outside arm, depending on alignment. The drills stressed the importance of the edge players getting their hands inside, which allows them to control the chest of the offensive lineman and win the leverage battle.
* Kayvon Thibodeaux and Brian Burns were working with each other in these drills, and it is amazing seeing how similar their body types are when they stand next to each other. Thibodeaux is a little thicker in the upper body, which is probably why he is listed at 258, while Burns is at 250.
* I then made my way over to the offensive linemen, who were working together on combo blocks in the run game. The drills featured two players, either a center and guard or guard and tackle, working together to block two defenders. One defender was on the first level with the second playing a linebacker/second-level role. The defenders would present different movements, which forced the offensive linemen to work together in different ways to get both players blocked. It trained the mental part of the game for the offensive linemen to know how to pass off one player to each other, and the physical chemistry necessary to execute it on the field.
* Later in practice, Devin Singletary joined the offensive line group and they worked together on how to pick up different blitzes. There's a lot of teaching going on from both the mental and physical parts of the position with the offensive line group right now.
* The team portion of practice featured all red zone work, with most of it coming inside the 10-yard line. The defense started strong with a pass break-up by Deonte Banks. The offense did score two touchdowns in the first team period, with Tommy DeVito finding Malik Nabers in the back of the end zone after scrambling to buy time in the backfield. Undrafted rookie free agent Nathan Rourke also connected with veteran wide receiver Miles Boykin on a shovel pass while he ran forward in the pocket but before he passed the line of scrimmage.
* The offense heated up later in practice and started getting the ball in the end zone more consistently. Olszewski was extremely active as a receiver, catching a pair of touchdown passes. He is enjoying his chance to compete at wide receiver. Jalin Hyatt scored a touchdown crossing along the back line on a throw from DeVito. Tight end Tyree Jackson was left open in the end zone for a short touchdown catch, while Boykin caught back-to-back touchdowns from Drew Lock at the end of the team practice.
* Rookie Tyone Tracy Jr. got involved in the passing game and caught two balls, one in the flat and another over the middle that could have gone for touchdowns.
* The defense made some plays in the final couple of team periods. Bobby Okereke and Ryder Anderson combined for what could have been a sack. Tre Hawkins III knocked a ball away in the end zone.
* Practices end with a developmental period for the young players, and Rourke made the most of it. He hit John Jiles near the front pylon, who made an amazing grab for a touchdown. Two plays later he connected with wide receiver Chase Cota for a touchdown.
* The defense came up with a takeaway with Jalen Mills successfully executing a tip drill to come down with an interception.
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Any chance you can summarize for those of us who don't want to sit through an hour of Dottino?
Back to Reddit, troll.
I enjoy the way you present the pictures.
We need an Abe Vigoda tracker for Aaron Robinson.
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Sure is. Did I read recently that he had dropped 20-30 pounds?
I enjoy the way you present the pictures.
Their slider is a bit awkward... it also is funky with different browsers.
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Sure is. Did I read recently that he had dropped 20-30 pounds?
I am not sure.
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Sure is. Did I read recently that he had dropped 20-30 pounds?
The website isn't exactly known for being completely accurate, but they list him at 315lbs and he was 338lbs at the combine for what it's worth.
I wonder if Daboll envisions a James Cook or Shane Vereen type.
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I'm 50/50 on believing Aaron Robinson is alive.
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I would be nice to see one piece of evidence that he is practicing.
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I'm 50/50 on believing Aaron Robinson is alive.
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I would be nice to see one piece of evidence that he is practicing.
Based on Dabolls comments earlier it sounds like he isn’t practicing yet, which is obviously concerning.
Has this been confirmed anywhere?
Has this been confirmed anywhere?
You are the closest to confirmation that I've seen. Maybe he's working out with Aaron Robinson. I know he's led the team in receiving the past few years, but as a guy who's likely to be the #3 WTR, behind Nabers and Hyatt, forcing a long term $8M per year deal may very well move him off the team.
Oh, shit, if anyone needs the work, it's him :)
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but it might be hard to see in the record because of how bad the QB play is going to be.
Back to Reddit, troll.
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but it might be hard to see in the record because of how bad the QB play is going to be.
Back to Reddit, troll.
How about you give this a try: not being a miserable retard that brings up DJ in every thread. I’m sure the conversations with your 40-50 year old dad emboldens you to this behavior though.
I'm sick of this shit QB play and sick of people like you who attack people for facing reality.
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Not ignoring reality is somehow being a troll here now. Got it. 🙄
In comment 16521537 knowledgetimmons said:
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but it might be hard to see in the record because of how bad the QB play is going to be.
Back to Reddit, troll.
How about you give this a try: not being a miserable retard that brings up DJ in every thread. I’m sure the conversations with your 40-50 year old dad emboldens you to this behavior though.
Sure there is... Schmeelk's Monday report. Did you not read it?
Also, I assume you are basing your concern on Ezeudu? Ezeudu is not playing with the first-team OL. Look at his flankmate in the pictures from Monday.
- Eric gray has been putting time in the gym
- Slide 98 shows back 7 “starters”: Okereke, McFadden, Flott, Banks, Pinnock and Belton. No surprised there but no rookies or Mcloud.
- Bashem simply looks slow even in photos, lol
- Mcloud got burned for one of Nabers TDs. The beats don’t say who got beat but the photo shows
- Mcloud got burned for one of Nabers TDs. The beats don’t say who got beat but the photo shows
I'm assuming/hoping that Nabers can beat any CB on this team inside the red zone, which is where today's drills were done.
- Eric gray has been putting time in the gym
- Slide 98 shows back 7 “starters”: Okereke, McFadden, Flott, Banks, Pinnock and Belton. No surprised there but no rookies or Mcloud.
- Bashem simply looks slow even in photos, lol
- Mcloud got burned for one of Nabers TDs. The beats don’t say who got beat but the photo shows
There is no reporter access this week except for Thursday.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
I'm sick of this shit QB play and sick of people like you who attack people for facing reality.
No, this is not facing reality, it is a cry for attention.
There is literally nothing left to criticize. Most wanted him replaced. It didn't happen.
You have had a month to deal with it.
Now, it's whining. It's temper tantrums.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
(1) I feel like some people are quick to discount Lock.
He was brought here to compete. When interviewed after Lock left via free agency, John Schneider said the Giants sold him on an opportunity to win a job. Lock and the Giants later backed off of this stance, but why would Schneider lie about that?
I am very curious to see how he looks in this system. Maybe he can put it all together. He is still only 27 years old. With this said, I am biased. I was firmly in the camp of taking OLB Josh Allen in 2019, and select Lock later in the draft. I have always liked Lock's arm talent and moxie.
(2) I am trying to temper my expectations for Tracy, but I am very excited to see him play.
But he did say two interesting things:
(1) He said he was impressed with Drew Lock's arm and athleticism. Said he was better than he thought. (Surprising that a Giants employee would open that Pandora's Box).
(2) He raved about Tyrone Tracy.
I've been saying this, Lock is better than most think. I don't see much difference between him and Jones, and frankly with Jones coming off the ACL injury (so not 100%) I would not be at all surprised to see Lock take the job on day 1.
Lock is a worthy competitor -- physically, he's a prototype. A lot for Daboll to work with there.
As the injured incumbent Jones gets a few strokes, but if Lock plays well enough to beat the handicap he'll start week 1, and we'll hear that Jones needs more time.
I've used advanced stats to criticize Jones, so I have to be consistent here: Lock has rarely graded out well in any of the advanced metrics. He was ok as a rookie, and was passable (high-end backup) in his 3 games last year. There's a whole lot of nothing inbetween that.
Giants better hope Jones rediscovers his 2022 form (which was bolstered by his running) or that DeVito has an untapped upside we'll see in year 2.
Lock is a worthy competitor -- physically, he's a prototype. A lot for Daboll to work with there.
As the injured incumbent Jones gets a few strokes, but if Lock plays well enough to beat the handicap he'll start week 1, and we'll hear that Jones needs more time.
--The fact of a competition would be further evidence that this team is not sitting back on Jones being the guy. I belive this team is serious about finding their franchise guy, but putting the incumbent into an actual competition would be absolute proof of that (though many would still deny if Jones wins, which there is a good chance he would).
--End of day, I want the best guy out there. I don't care who it is.