according to Popper all indications are that Brunson is willing to sign this offseason to give 5 more yesrs of certainy and forgo 270 millionhe could sign next year
If he does this, the union will be all over him. I can't see it happening, but he has been quoted as saying money is not that important to him and the Rose's are his family.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
I would be pleasantly surprised if he does this but I don't think it is crazy. People throw out the Celtics Isiah Thomas comp as someone who was awesome for a couple years but ultimately got hurt and never got a huge bag. Obviously JB is bigger than IT but for a small guard who was a second rounder to guarantee himself $150M does not seem insane to me.
He was willing to take less with Dallas they just never presented the deal and after the playoff run, he knew he could go to NY with his family and felt disrespected.
This would send shock waves through the league and the union will lose their collective minds.
I Wonder what this does for Julius, does he follow suit or look for the max he can get?
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
He said he heard last week that Brunson will not sign anything long-term until he is guaranteed Thibs is his long term coach. However, it does sound like they might all be working together right now.
that it's questionable by him but, at some point the salary crosses a certain threshold where it's just a number. Would the difference between 156 million and 250 million be terribly meaningful during the course of his life?
Huge if true because I read this article yesterday
I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
He said he heard last week that Brunson will not sign anything long-term until he is guaranteed Thibs is his long term coach. However, it does sound like they might all be working together right now.
Thibs is not a perfect coach but he wins consistently and has a team of players that believe in him.
He said he heard last week that Brunson will not sign anything long-term until he is guaranteed Thibs is his long term coach. However, it does sound like they might all be working together right now.
Well than that means he is signing, the Knicks hierarchy is basiclaly one big family, people joke about CAA being like the mafia, well the Knicks are..
that it's questionable by him but, at some point the salary crosses a certain threshold where it's just a number. Would the difference between 156 million and 250 million be terribly meaningful during the course of his life?
on Thibs is that he's not Spoelstra. You can nitpick rotation decisions and such here and there, and idiots like us may even be right once a while. But this team competes every night and he seems to have cultivated a team-wide commitment to hard work and accountably.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
Rockets are preparing a package around the 3rd pick to acquire Mitchell.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
I think it would have to be #3 and whatever else they're owed from Brooklyn and other stuff. By all accounts, the top of this draft is pretty weak compared to other drafts.
Rockets are preparing a package around the 3rd pick to acquire Mitchell.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
Why would Mitchell sign long term there? Seems dubious.
Houston has a very good up and coming team, I could definitely see him staying there. They have Segun, Green Jabari Smith, one of the Thompsons, Dillon Brooks and Van Vleet.
They can very easily make a very strong offer and convince him to stay. Houston is a major market, its not Cleveland or Utah.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
I actually think he ends up staying in Cleveland, Mitchell doesnt seem like the type to make demands on where to go, he could of done that 2 years ago and he didnt
What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I assume they'll offer to extend him at some point. If he declines, they likely start shopping him and (news flash!) they should take the best offer regardless of who the team is.
run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
RE: RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
I think whats even worse is their reasoning, they think they can still attract stars to Brooklyn and maybe they trade for one, but they aremt keeping them long term
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
its technically 5 years 180 because he still has 1 more year at 24 million
RE: RE: RE: What would it take for the Knicks to get Bridges here?
Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
I honestly dont think they want him to end up in NY regardless of the offer..
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
is some iconic Brooklyn Net. Hell if I’m the Nets I’d prefer the Knicks push their chips in on Bridges - might take them out of the running for someone better in the next year or so.
Randle make the same choice for the four year deal after his breakout
It's a security choice, and I'd say a wise one for JB. He's had a few injury scares this year. Coning into the league a second round pick and playing second fiddle for four years gives him a different perspective from someone who has always been chased after.
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
When I mentioned it. Similar to Harts opt in and extend move last year, this team and front office are a family. Let’s see if Julius does something similar.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that would be a home
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that would be a home
When I mentioned it. Similar to Harts opt in and extend move last year, this team and front office are a family. Let’s see if Julius does something similar.
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
Given that MLB is not a cap league, and Arod's option issue turned out to be an exercise in mutual bluffing, I doubt many would draw the association.
Arod delivered a title in 2009, the only one the Yanks have won in 24 years. If Brunson is here another 10 years and delivers one, I'll take it.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: that would be a home
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
Brunson is very much motivated by monetary security in taking the deal now, rather than hanging himself out there for another year in which one bad step, or one dirty play by an opponent, could change everything.
As I mentioned, Randle made the same choice. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As for Arod, he desperately wanted to win a title, for his personal career validation. And there's nothing wrong with that, either.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
And it's not that nuts. This year was an outlier for him based on his career to date. Now, I think he will continue, but he may not play quite at this level again or he could get hurt. That extension guarantees him enough money for life right now in a still very big way and helps them to build a real consistent contender.
In comment 16521277 moze1021 said:
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
In comment 16521277 moze1021 said:
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
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The Brunson contract stuff went crazy today with some aggregation starting with one of the best and then getting loose with the interpretation. To be clear, everything I've heard is expectation he wants to sign this summer - but not that it's some done deal. And (1/2)...
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The financial implications aren't as drastic as it looks right now -- Brunson can sign this extension which raises his 2025-26 salary, and then base his next deal off bigger TV deal while still in his prime. (2/2).
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The Brunson contract stuff went crazy today with some aggregation starting with one of the best and then getting loose with the interpretation. To be clear, everything I've heard is expectation he wants to sign this summer - but not that it's some done deal. And (1/2)...
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The financial implications aren't as drastic as it looks right now -- Brunson can sign this extension which raises his 2025-26 salary, and then base his next deal off bigger TV deal while still in his prime. (2/2).
Ehh he never said it was a done deal, people took it and ran with it that way but he never said it was a done deal he simpky said that everything he is hesring is that Brunson is thinking about signing a deal now and signs are pointing that direction
Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
The nice thing about the NBA offseason is that everything happens so fast. The finals wrap up the second or third week of June, the draft is the 27th, and then free agency starts the following week. The theories and hypotheticals talk only goes on for like 6 weeks and then we have answers. I much prefer that than the endless speculation we get around NFL free agency and draft.
Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
I can’t get behind LeBron in any way. I hope this isn’t the case.
Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking
Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their
Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking
Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
i think if he is going to work with the Lakers on a trade, it will be an opt in and trade
RE: Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their
Trade up?
Bronny is drafted in the 2nd and can lead the Westchester Knicks to a title while taking his team out every weekend on his dad's credit card.
RE: Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their
But I don't know why this isn't being discussed more as an idea. The cost to get probably two more years of LeBron as a second fiddle is as little as two firsts. That's as cheap as it's ever been. He just averaged 25-8-7, and really doesn't look like slowing down a ton.
The key is he'd have to want to come to NY, but what other location could be better for him as a combination of winning and brand recognition.
Imagine his legacy if he brings an elusive title to NY.
about the Lebron possibility and he mentioned they probably didn’t want the circus that comes with him. Makes sense with the strong culture they’ve built.
However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking
Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
Are you serious? Besides last season LeBron hasn’t played more than 56 games since 2019, and last year he still missed 11 games.
LeBron may be the most selfish player in league history… How many coaches have been fired and players dealt because of him?
Sure he plays defense and distributes when the spotlight is on him, but he’s such an unlike able player I can’t see why anyone would want him on the team.
about the Lebron possibility and he mentioned they probably didn’t want the circus that comes with him. Makes sense with the strong culture they’ve built.
However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
In comment 16521277 moze1021 said:
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
And he is smart enough to know it.
Russ, CP3, Lillard, LaVine, DeJonte, Hayward all signed big deals after various surgeries.
could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things
talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.
I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.
Agreed, but if we won with LeBron, the narrative would be about LeBron. I don’t want to win that way.
I firmly believe the superstars of the LeBron era hurt the NBA product, with their me first attitude and play style, flopping and incessant complaining. It feels like the league is finally coming out of that haze, with team and city oriented superstars, de-emphasizing flopping and emphasizing a more physical game that isn’t over officiated. Hopefully all of that brings the complaining down, but that remains to be seen.
I can’t wait for the LeBron’s, Harden’s, Durant’s and Kyrie’s disappear.
talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.
Apparently this was on the table and the Nets turned it down, which is objectively a horrible decision.
Hopefully the Rockets look elsewhere this summer because that's a tough offer to beat. We should have everything else covered.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
And he is smart enough to know it.
Thing with Brunson is that explosive athleticism is not the platform for his success. I care less about his foot speed
or lift than almost any guard in the league.
could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things
That’s the complete opposite take of scouts and NBA folks I’ve read recently.
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The other scout dropped a harsher take, saying: "Positional athlete. Doesn't function as an elite athlete. Tweener stuck between two positions. Should be a point guard based on his size, but he can't run an offense. He's handicapped as an undersized shooting guard because he can't shoot.
The scout furthered, "His comp [is] a poor man's Davion Mitchell. He is not an NBA prospect in my opinion."
RE: RE: Would LeBron sign with a guarantee that the Knicks use their
Trade up?
Bronny is drafted in the 2nd and can lead the Westchester Knicks to a title while taking his team out every weekend on his dad's credit card.
Correct, to guarantee that we get him. I know he's a second round talent (if that), but could the Knicks have a wink-wink deal with LeBron to secure drafting Bronny.
Head fakes, and ability to read the center’s coverage.
With his improvement in three point shooting, I actually think his game will age very nicely. He’s not a slasher or dunker, those are the guys that struggle when they lose a step (except if you’re Lebron who never ages lol)
could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things
That’s the complete opposite take of scouts and NBA folks I’ve read recently.
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The other scout dropped a harsher take, saying: "Positional athlete. Doesn't function as an elite athlete. Tweener stuck between two positions. Should be a point guard based on his size, but he can't run an offense. He's handicapped as an undersized shooting guard because he can't shoot.
The scout furthered, "His comp [is] a poor man's Davion Mitchell. He is not an NBA prospect in my opinion."
I mean i am not a scout so lol, i could be conlletely wrong , just saying id tske a flier
talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.
Apparently this was on the table and the Nets turned it down, which is objectively a horrible decision.
Hopefully the Rockets look elsewhere this summer because that's a tough offer to beat. We should have everything else covered.
The way Green finished the season, they arent trading him
but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.
but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.
Boston has gone to zone in the second half and it’s slowed Indiana a bit. Knicks prob should have tried something similar games 6 and 7 given the number of guys they were down and Indy’s shooting
but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.
but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.
Right on cue
Yep, he’s missed a ton of wide open three pointers.
Jeff Van Gundy is a consultant with Boston. I can just hear him telling Brad Stevens, “Man this team could really use a veteran coach who’s coached in a big market and has a lot of playoff experience, don’t ya think?”
Jeff Van Gundy is a consultant with Boston. I can just hear him telling Brad Stevens, “Man this team could really use a veteran coach who’s coached in a big market and has a lot of playoff experience, don’t ya think?”
At that point why wouldn't Brad Stevens just be the GM/Head Coach a la Pat Riley in the 2000's?
When I mentioned it. Similar to Harts opt in and extend move last year, this team and front office are a family. Let’s see if Julius does something similar.
Still reading through but like AJ said this was spoken about a few months ago. I agree about Julius also wonder if IHart takes less as well to come back. I may be wrong but Brunson is about to make bank on endorsements. His brand is growing and not just NYC.
Carlisle said his daughter is already going to sit out one semester of college and he can't have her take a whole year off. (This was his comment when asked about officiating, which says everything)
about the Lebron possibility and he mentioned they probably didn’t want the circus that comes with him. Makes sense with the strong culture they’ve built.
However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
I’m a Knicks fan since 1970 and I don’t.
This regime drafts well. Would they essentially waste a pick on Bronny? Not a first. Bronny MIGHT be worth a 2nd. Maybe. Would LeBron sign with the Knicks. Hard to imagine. Only to play with Bronny and Bronny is going to get about as many minutes as Jacob Toppin did this past season.
LBJ is way, waaaaaay down my wish list for the Knicks. The one thing that makes him interesting is that he might not cost the Knicks any players.
Bridges trade would have to be three teams. Eases the sting for the Nets in trading their best player to a rival and also the Nets seem to want to compete now since they don't have any of their picks.
Some teams/players that could make sense to send to the Nets:
ATL: Trae or Murray
New Orleans: Ingram
Minnesota: KAT (they keep saying they'll have to break up this team for cap reasons)
Cleveland: Garland or Mitchell
But my favorite is actually Simons with Portland.
The Nets need a lead guard in the worst way. Simons is blocking both Sharpe and Scoot. The Blazers also could use the plethora of picks.
A Simons to BK, Bridges to NYK and Bogie + Deuce + Picks to POR trade works under the cap too.
Bridges trade would have to be three teams. Eases the sting for the Nets in trading their best player to a rival and also the Nets seem to want to compete now since they don't have any of their picks.
Some teams/players that could make sense to send to the Nets:
ATL: Trae or Murray
New Orleans: Ingram
Minnesota: KAT (they keep saying they'll have to break up this team for cap reasons)
Cleveland: Garland or Mitchell
But my favorite is actually Simons with Portland.
The Nets need a lead guard in the worst way. Simons is blocking both Sharpe and Scoot. The Blazers also could use the plethora of picks.
A Simons to BK, Bridges to NYK and Bogie + Deuce + Picks to POR trade works under the cap too.
If you could do this, i immediately call the clips and try to do a paul george for Randle trade
Bridges trade would have to be three teams. Eases the sting for the Nets in trading their best player to a rival and also the Nets seem to want to compete now since they don't have any of their picks.
Some teams/players that could make sense to send to the Nets:
ATL: Trae or Murray
New Orleans: Ingram
Minnesota: KAT (they keep saying they'll have to break up this team for cap reasons)
Cleveland: Garland or Mitchell
But my favorite is actually Simons with Portland.
The Nets need a lead guard in the worst way. Simons is blocking both Sharpe and Scoot. The Blazers also could use the plethora of picks.
A Simons to BK, Bridges to NYK and Bogie + Deuce + Picks to POR trade works under the cap too.
If you could do this, i immediately call the clips and try to do a paul george for Randle trade
Love Julius, but a Mikal-PG-OG wing trio is pretty insane, especially defensively. That's probably 3 of the top 6 or so wing defenders in the league.
I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.
Agreed, but if we won with LeBron, the narrative would be about LeBron. I don’t want to win that way.
I firmly believe the superstars of the LeBron era hurt the NBA product, with their me first attitude and play style, flopping and incessant complaining. It feels like the league is finally coming out of that haze, with team and city oriented superstars, de-emphasizing flopping and emphasizing a more physical game that isn’t over officiated. Hopefully all of that brings the complaining down, but that remains to be seen.
I can’t wait for the LeBron’s, Harden’s, Durant’s and Kyrie’s disappear.
@SbondyNBA
Between December and May, the Knicks had seven surgeries:
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* OG Anunoby (Elbow)
* Julius Randle (shoulder)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (foot)
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* Jalen Brunson (hand)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (wrist)
I don't remember seeing anything like this, with any team. Totally nuts. The only guy who somehow managed to stay healthy all year was Divencenzo.
Hartenstein had that Achilles thing and Hart had the Ab thing but they didn't surgery.
Don't forget big buckets Burks avoided surgery... but everyone forgot his was still on this team...Think if somehow if the knicks built up a big lead in first half of game 7 and somehow won the starting lineup would be Miles, DDV, Burks, Precious and Hartenstein and still think we would have stayed close to the Celtics they are overrated. The only problem is the bench would have Miles, DDV, Burks, Precious and Hartenstein.
@SbondyNBA
Between December and May, the Knicks had seven surgeries:
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* OG Anunoby (Elbow)
* Julius Randle (shoulder)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (foot)
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* Jalen Brunson (hand)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (wrist)
I don't remember seeing anything like this, with any team. Totally nuts. The only guy who somehow managed to stay healthy all year was Divencenzo.
Hartenstein had that Achilles thing and Hart had the Ab thing but they didn't surgery.
Don't forget big buckets Burks avoided surgery... but everyone forgot his was still on this team...Think if somehow if the knicks built up a big lead in first half of game 7 and somehow won the starting lineup would be Miles, DDV, Burks, Precious and Hartenstein and still think we would have stayed close to the Celtics they are overrated. The only problem is the bench would have Miles, DDV, Burks, Precious and Hartenstein.
I like Jacob Toppin he needs another year in G league then he could be a good role player if they develop him right and not to be a cherry picker like his brother.
Is the guy- it just makes too much sense. Bogie and 4/5 first round picks.
I think the Nets might be worried about the blowback they get if they turn another big offer down for him. The team is going nowhere and theres not really a point of having Bridges on that type of squad.
He's young, fits the culture perfectly and fits their play perfectly. Great D, good shooting for spacing and just enough creation to help when needed.
They could also market it as doing Bridges a solid and I'm sure they would like to own some unprotected Knicks picks.
Philly is confident they can land Paul George to play alongside Embiid and Maxey.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
I love George as a player, but to me, his age bothers me in giving up a ton of assets for him. I guess any deal would include Randle. Should be interesting as PG is CAA.
Philly is confident they can land Paul George to play alongside Embiid and Maxey.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
I love George as a player, but to me, his age bothers me in giving up a ton of assets for him. I guess any deal would include Randle. Should be interesting as PG is CAA.
Yeah i think any deal includes Randle, he is a good fit next to Kawhi
Philly is confident they can land Paul George to play alongside Embiid and Maxey.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
I love George as a player, but to me, his age bothers me in giving up a ton of assets for him. I guess any deal would include Randle. Should be interesting as PG is CAA.
Yeah i think any deal includes Randle, he is a good fit next to Kawhi
LAC is one team that Randle makes some sense on, both CAA clients, that could be the move if PG leaves LA.
Brunson-Divo-PG-OG-Mitch - does that put us on top over Boston, improving Indiana, Philly and Mill.
How about something like a package sign and trade with Chi
for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
but I'm not trading Randle for a 34 year old Paul George who wants a full max and consistently is out hurt. Seems like a pretty drastic step away from the culture we're building and the timeline of the team. If healthy I agree that he's a great fit but I am not putting my eggs in that basket.
There are two names I'm all in on: Bridges and Booker.
RE: How about something like a package sign and trade with Chi
for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
RE: RE: How about something like a package sign and trade with Chi
for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
I find that very very hard to believe.
RE: RE: How about something like a package sign and trade with Chi
for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
Wow very interesting. Don't think I'd do that but its a moot point now any way with DeRozan being a UFA Chicago has no leverage. I know DeRozan is not a great defender, but the guy is a professional scorer and being the driving force of the 2nd unit he could be very valuable and Caruso helps the D immensly.
RE: RE: How about something like a package sign and trade with Chi
for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
Not even remotely true.
RE: RE: RE: How about something like a package sign and trade with Chi
for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
when the team is already good. Last time I felt this way was back in the early 90s. That first off-season following Riley's year 1 when the Knicks had some ammo and some room and made the big move to get...I won't even name him. HE was ok. Played hard. Was a true pro but I won't go there. You knew the Knicks were going to make a big move back then and build on a 50+ win team.
We can only hope (and expect) the big move this time around pays bigger and better dividends.
No idea what to expect but I trust this regime. They will make the right move. If it's a minor move or two, fine. If it's a whopper, fine. I do think they will explore everything.
The Randle looming contract adds a wrinkle. We saw how they handled IQ and I think they liked him a lot as a player. HE played a lot of minutes here. This regime drafted him. They still dealt him. They could do the same with Randle.
but I'm not trading Randle for a 34 year old Paul George who wants a full max and consistently is out hurt. Seems like a pretty drastic step away from the culture we're building and the timeline of the team. If healthy I agree that he's a great fit but I am not putting my eggs in that basket.
There are two names I'm all in on: Bridges and Booker.
I agree with you Jon. Giannis and Booker are the stars I'd chase (who wouldn't) but they are most likely a pipe dream.
Bridges is the other guy I would love to have, and while it's probably not as unlikely, I have a hard time believing the Nets would deal with us.
That said, I'm also comfortable moving forward with the core we have in place and making some smart moves around those guys. Maybe we bring in a Caruso, who I'd love to get, or other lesser tier moves.
It would be really hard to convince me that with health, we wouldn't still be playing with a golden opportunity to knock out Boston or either Western team.
Demar Derozan to Knicks is a realistic possibility
My least favorite player... Want nothing to do with him. He defensive rating continues to drop and the lack of 3 pt shooting just doesn't make him a good fit.
Demar Derozan to Knicks is a realistic possibility
My least favorite player... Want nothing to do with him. He defensive rating continues to drop and the lack of 3 pt shooting just doesn't make him a good fit.
They mentioned it as a bench scorer but i dont knownif he is receptive to that, especially when all indications are the Bulls want to pay him
(iHart, Hart, OG, DVD, Brunson) have involved guys firmly in their prime. Not sure we should be pursuing guys who won't be cheap and who will likely be out of the league sooner rather than later.
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
This would send shock waves through the league and the union will lose their collective minds.
I Wonder what this does for Julius, does he follow suit or look for the max he can get?
Would i be shocked when the Woj bomb comes? yes he is giving up close to 100 million
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
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Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
Thibs is not a perfect coach but he wins consistently and has a team of players that believe in him.
Well than that means he is signing, the Knicks hierarchy is basiclaly one big family, people joke about CAA being like the mafia, well the Knicks are..
Brunson i am sure trusts Rose with his career
Yeah, it would.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
I think it would have to be #3 and whatever else they're owed from Brooklyn and other stuff. By all accounts, the top of this draft is pretty weak compared to other drafts.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
Why would Mitchell sign long term there? Seems dubious.
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Rockets are preparing a package around the 3rd pick to acquire Mitchell.
The good news for the Knicks is that it might take them out of bidding for Bridges.
Why would Mitchell sign long term there? Seems dubious.
Houston has a very good up and coming team, I could definitely see him staying there. They have Segun, Green Jabari Smith, one of the Thompsons, Dillon Brooks and Van Vleet.
They can very easily make a very strong offer and convince him to stay. Houston is a major market, its not Cleveland or Utah.
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
I actually think he ends up staying in Cleveland, Mitchell doesnt seem like the type to make demands on where to go, he could of done that 2 years ago and he didnt
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
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I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
I assume they'll offer to extend him at some point. If he declines, they likely start shopping him and (news flash!) they should take the best offer regardless of who the team is.
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run for the team and a questionable decision by him. I'll believe it when I see it...
Is it questionable by him?
He just broke his shooting hand, didn't he?
Also..plenty of history in NBA of players foregoing all the money they could get to win a championship. Brunson is the guy to understand that...he's trying to legacy build!
he could tear his ACL in October and we'd still have to max him after next season.
And please elaborate on this long list of players who've played on the cheap in the NBA in order to win? You do see guys take less or extend early (which usually means less total $$) on occasion but that's almost always AFTER they've already had a max contract or two. Brunson has never even had one. If he's willing to do it then it's good for the team, but it would be an uncommon decision for a guy at his stage of his career and his earnings to date.
Lebron James, Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch all took about $15 million less to build the Heat team into a contender. And that was when the salary cap was $58 million. Wade then took another hit of at least $10 a few years later by opting out two years early to try to help Miami re-sign Lebron.
I mentioned LeBron taking $15 million less in a previous post. That was over a six year deal - of which he only played 4 years so the discount ended up being less. And of course he had already signed a max deal earlier in his career. So had Bosh. These were all caveats mentioned in my earlier comment.
Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
and it was a horrible decision to turn it down too
I think whats even worse is their reasoning, they think they can still attract stars to Brooklyn and maybe they trade for one, but they aremt keeping them long term
The 4 year extension that pays him 156 would set him up for a super-max contract when he's 32.
Waiting a year and signing a 5 year 270 does pay him more through those 4 years (and does guarantee a 5th year), but he's more likely on the decline when he's up for the super-max.
its technically 5 years 180 because he still has 1 more year at 24 million
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Will the Nets deal with us if Bridges doesn't speak up?
I habe heard he already has...
I dont know if they would even trade him though, i think if the Knicks offered something crazy like 5 or 6 1sts they would maybe think about it but they dont want to trade him to anyone..
Houston last year offered all of the Nets picks back for Mikal and thry turned it down
Do they feel better about a 3-way trade where they're not shipping him directly to NYK I wonder?
I honestly dont think they want him to end up in NY regardless of the offer..
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
It's a security choice, and I'd say a wise one for JB. He's had a few injury scares this year. Coning into the league a second round pick and playing second fiddle for four years gives him a different perspective from someone who has always been chased after.
I'd be surprised if he didn't sign the deal.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
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Yeah, and Wade did it twice. And Wade gave up another $1.5M and the other two $1M each so the Heat could sign Haslem.
People around here act like $156 million is chump change. The difference will never matter to Brunson in his life time, or his kids, or his gandkids, or maybe even his great-grandkids, unless he's a total fool with his money like Antonio Brown. And that doesn't factor in the $104M from his current contract. What could his family possible covet that they wouldn't be able to buy - Manhattan?
Money isn't the goal for every human being. Give the guy credit. He knows money isn't an issue and he obviously wants to win. It's also likely some of that money will go to his boys from Villanova. It's too bad more athletes don't have that outlook.
the point is comparing what the Miami guys gave up (and where they were at that point in their careers) vs. Brunson's situation is a poor comparison for the various reasons already discussed.
When you're talking about a guy who will make over $300 million in his career, not including endorsements, none of what your saying matters. His family will have generational wealth that no one on this board can fathom, or even begin to understand. No one in the next three or four generations in his family will need to work a day in their life.
Agreed, And you know what money can’t buy? Glory
If Brunson leads the Knicks to a championship, he will be on the Mount Rushmore of NY Sports heroes. Immortalized forever.
Brunson seems very self aware and knows leaving a little bit on the table (to him, in the grand scheme of things) to allow Rose to build an even better and more complete team capable of winning a title is greatly beneficial to Brunson long term. It’s easy to say from the outside but I bet it’s a pretty easy decision for him to make
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
Given that MLB is not a cap league, and Arod's option issue turned out to be an exercise in mutual bluffing, I doubt many would draw the association.
Arod delivered a title in 2009, the only one the Yanks have won in 24 years. If Brunson is here another 10 years and delivers one, I'll take it.
Is og going to opt in and extend as well?
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He would be considered by NY sports fans to be the anti-Arod.
Given that MLB is not a cap league, and Arod's option issue turned out to be an exercise in mutual bluffing, I doubt many would draw the association.
Arod delivered a title in 2009, the only one the Yanks have won in 24 years. If Brunson is here another 10 years and delivers one, I'll take it.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite. He wants to win. He's already proven to Knick fans he will do whatever it takes to win. This would just be icing on the cake. If the Knicks can be legit contenders the rest of his time here as a result, he will be revered in NY. If he can deliver a title after 50+ years, he'll be up there with Frazier and Reed, Messier and Manning and, yes, even be mentioned in the same breath as Jeter.
Brunson is very much motivated by monetary security in taking the deal now, rather than hanging himself out there for another year in which one bad step, or one dirty play by an opponent, could change everything.
As I mentioned, Randle made the same choice. And there's nothing wrong with that.
As for Arod, he desperately wanted to win a title, for his personal career validation. And there's nothing wrong with that, either.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
And he is smart enough to know it.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
And he is smart enough to know it.
What?!?
@StevePopper
The Brunson contract stuff went crazy today with some aggregation starting with one of the best and then getting loose with the interpretation. To be clear, everything I've heard is expectation he wants to sign this summer - but not that it's some done deal. And (1/2)...
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The financial implications aren't as drastic as it looks right now -- Brunson can sign this extension which raises his 2025-26 salary, and then base his next deal off bigger TV deal while still in his prime. (2/2).
@StevePopper
The Brunson contract stuff went crazy today with some aggregation starting with one of the best and then getting loose with the interpretation. To be clear, everything I've heard is expectation he wants to sign this summer - but not that it's some done deal. And (1/2)...
Steve Popper
@StevePopper
The financial implications aren't as drastic as it looks right now -- Brunson can sign this extension which raises his 2025-26 salary, and then base his next deal off bigger TV deal while still in his prime. (2/2).
Ehh he never said it was a done deal, people took it and ran with it that way but he never said it was a done deal he simpky said that everything he is hesring is that Brunson is thinking about signing a deal now and signs are pointing that direction
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
The nice thing about the NBA offseason is that everything happens so fast. The finals wrap up the second or third week of June, the draft is the 27th, and then free agency starts the following week. The theories and hypotheticals talk only goes on for like 6 weeks and then we have answers. I much prefer that than the endless speculation we get around NFL free agency and draft.
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Knicks will make a move without question, it may not be the big big name but they are looking for a big wing that can score
Who isn’t lol. But yeah that certainly makes sense. Booker, Durant, Lebron, Mikal, PG all could be available this offseason. I’d expect one to be a Knick
Yeah i think its Mikal, George or Lebron is a Knick by July 1st
I can’t get behind LeBron in any way. I hope this isn’t the case.
Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
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Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking
Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
i think if he is going to work with the Lakers on a trade, it will be an opt in and trade
Trade up?
Bronny is drafted in the 2nd and can lead the Westchester Knicks to a title while taking his team out every weekend on his dad's credit card.
The draft is before free agency.
But I don't know why this isn't being discussed more as an idea. The cost to get probably two more years of LeBron as a second fiddle is as little as two firsts. That's as cheap as it's ever been. He just averaged 25-8-7, and really doesn't look like slowing down a ton.
The key is he'd have to want to come to NY, but what other location could be better for him as a combination of winning and brand recognition.
Imagine his legacy if he brings an elusive title to NY.
However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
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Lebron is still a long shot to even being a discussion, once he makes a decision on his option then you will start to see what he is thinking
Lebron is a great fit for this team at the right price. As much as I am not a fan, he works hard, doesn't miss time, and is not a selfish player.
He would definitely let Brunson cook and play a strong 2nd option.
When he opts out he can do a sign and trade to help the Lakers
Are you serious? Besides last season LeBron hasn’t played more than 56 games since 2019, and last year he still missed 11 games.
LeBron may be the most selfish player in league history… How many coaches have been fired and players dealt because of him?
Sure he plays defense and distributes when the spotlight is on him, but he’s such an unlike able player I can’t see why anyone would want him on the team.
However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
And he is smart enough to know it.
Russ, CP3, Lillard, LaVine, DeJonte, Hayward all signed big deals after various surgeries.
It was about Lebron, lets be real, do i think its likely to happen or even 50% chance? no..
I think its about a 10% chance with it bumping to 25% if he opts in
David Mills? Wasn't that Brad Pitt's character in Seven? Lol.
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100% trades these two firsts and a future pick to get to like 8 overall to get Bronny only for Lebron to stay in LA anyway
David Mills? Wasn't that Brad Pitt's character in Seven? Lol.
Honestly I’m glad I got his first name wrong. The more I can forget about that era the better.
My point was Arod was motivated by the money. That was Nos. 1, 2, and 3 on his priority list. Brunson seems to be just the opposite.
you seem to be laying it on a bit thick, lol. Brunson got what he could 2 years ago (and rightly so). It's not like he came for the MLE.
And A-Rod tried to REDUCE his contract in order to facilitate a trade to Boston but the union wouldn't let him.
Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.
It was about Lebron, lets be real, do i think its likely to happen or even 50% chance? no..
I think its about a 10% chance with it bumping to 25% if he opts in
LeBron chose lifestyle and business over winning when he made his initial decision to go to the Lakers. I don’t see any of that changing now.
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I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.
Agreed, but if we won with LeBron, the narrative would be about LeBron. I don’t want to win that way.
I firmly believe the superstars of the LeBron era hurt the NBA product, with their me first attitude and play style, flopping and incessant complaining. It feels like the league is finally coming out of that haze, with team and city oriented superstars, de-emphasizing flopping and emphasizing a more physical game that isn’t over officiated. Hopefully all of that brings the complaining down, but that remains to be seen.
I can’t wait for the LeBron’s, Harden’s, Durant’s and Kyrie’s disappear.
Apparently this was on the table and the Nets turned it down, which is objectively a horrible decision.
Hopefully the Rockets look elsewhere this summer because that's a tough offer to beat. We should have everything else covered.
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I might have missed that you are forced to sign a broken/injured player. Seems very strange.
Good point on stage in career. I thought LeBron was pretty young when he did it but I might me misremembering.
if we didn't someone else would. Every team in the league is trying to find star level players. They're the most precious resource in the NBA. KD, Zion, Embiid, Kawhi, even Porzingis all signed mega deals after serious injuries.
As for LeBron, he took a slight haircut (something like $15 million over the entire deal) on his Miami contract but it was nothing compared to what Brunson would be leaving on the table by not waiting a year.
I agree and will add that even Greg Oden got a nice contract (for that time) after it was clear to the world that he could not function as a NBA player.
Brute fact is that Brunson is a lot smaller than any of the players mentioned. Big guys stay big; little guys who lose a step, well . . .
If Brunson were to suffer an ACL or Achilles injury, he would not be in demand around the league for a top money contract.
And he is smart enough to know it.
Thing with Brunson is that explosive athleticism is not the platform for his success. I care less about his foot speed
or lift than almost any guard in the league.
That’s the complete opposite take of scouts and NBA folks I’ve read recently.
The scout furthered, "His comp [is] a poor man's Davion Mitchell. He is not an NBA prospect in my opinion."
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picks to trade up for Bronny?
Trade up?
Bronny is drafted in the 2nd and can lead the Westchester Knicks to a title while taking his team out every weekend on his dad's credit card.
Correct, to guarantee that we get him. I know he's a second round talent (if that), but could the Knicks have a wink-wink deal with LeBron to secure drafting Bronny.
With his improvement in three point shooting, I actually think his game will age very nicely. He’s not a slasher or dunker, those are the guys that struggle when they lose a step (except if you’re Lebron who never ages lol)
Hawks get Ben Simmons, Deuce, both 2024 1sts, 2026 first, Wiz protected first
Nets get Trae Young, Bojan
Hawks get Ben Simmons, Deuce, both 2024 1sts, 2026 first, Wiz protected first
Nets get Trae Young, Bojan
Thats actuwlly a pretty fair trade
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could be a really good role player in the NBA, he can shoot the 3, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can D up..He is not elite at naything but he is good at a lot of things
That’s the complete opposite take of scouts and NBA folks I’ve read recently.
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The other scout dropped a harsher take, saying: "Positional athlete. Doesn't function as an elite athlete. Tweener stuck between two positions. Should be a point guard based on his size, but he can't run an offense. He's handicapped as an undersized shooting guard because he can't shoot.
The scout furthered, "His comp [is] a poor man's Davion Mitchell. He is not an NBA prospect in my opinion."
I mean i am not a scout so lol, i could be conlletely wrong , just saying id tske a flier
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talking earlier about how he'd listen to a Rockets trade offer for Bridges involving Jalen Green and getting their picks back. I cannot confirm if he was drunk or not. lol.
Apparently this was on the table and the Nets turned it down, which is objectively a horrible decision.
Hopefully the Rockets look elsewhere this summer because that's a tough offer to beat. We should have everything else covered.
The way Green finished the season, they arent trading him
Brunson, Divo, Hart, George or Mikal and OG against smaller teams..
Boston has gone to zone in the second half and it’s slowed Indiana a bit. Knicks prob should have tried something similar games 6 and 7 given the number of guys they were down and Indy’s shooting
Right on cue
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but Indy is predictably making Al Horford look like the old man he is. Boston needs KP back soon. I’m sure Horford will still hit a big three soon, as always.
Right on cue
Yep, he’s missed a ton of wide open three pointers.
Brunson, Divo, Hart, George or Mikal and OG against smaller teams..
Feels like Mikal would just fit purely off the chemistry of playing with hart ddv Brunson.
Hopefully they can go and get him or get Booker. Maxing Paul George scares me
Al Horford is cooked and yet he continues to let him get abused defensively trip after trip.
Al Horford is cooked and yet he continues to let him get abused defensively trip after trip.
he is awful, he should be fired if they dont win a championship
Felt very forced lol. This wasn’t like 6 points in 10 seconds
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Still the worst coach in the NBA. It’s comically bad how he could fuck a game but for two years running - he’s mastered it.
Al Horford is cooked and yet he continues to let him get abused defensively trip after trip.
he is awful, he should be fired if they dont win a championship
Agreed.
Two big plays in a row unfortunately.
Nah because he knows the media wouldn’t agree and back him like they would against the Knicks
At that point why wouldn't Brad Stevens just be the GM/Head Coach a la Pat Riley in the 2000's?
Still reading through but like AJ said this was spoken about a few months ago. I agree about Julius also wonder if IHart takes less as well to come back. I may be wrong but Brunson is about to make bank on endorsements. His brand is growing and not just NYC.
He wants to win
Carlisle said his daughter is already going to sit out one semester of college and he can't have her take a whole year off. (This was his comment when asked about officiating, which says everything)
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about the Lebron possibility and he mentioned they probably didn’t want the circus that comes with him. Makes sense with the strong culture they’ve built.
However, it really does line up perfectly. Knicks have three draft picks in the range where Bronny should be available, Lebron has an opt-out, he’s a perfect fit for this roster at this time, and could add to his legacy in a major way by being a part of the Knicks team that finally wins it all.
I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
This regime drafts well. Would they essentially waste a pick on Bronny? Not a first. Bronny MIGHT be worth a 2nd. Maybe. Would LeBron sign with the Knicks. Hard to imagine. Only to play with Bronny and Bronny is going to get about as many minutes as Jacob Toppin did this past season.
LBJ is way, waaaaaay down my wish list for the Knicks. The one thing that makes him interesting is that he might not cost the Knicks any players.
No thanks. Stay the course with this group and look to land someone who fits in with Brunson as the lead and the Villanova culture
Some teams/players that could make sense to send to the Nets:
ATL: Trae or Murray
New Orleans: Ingram
Minnesota: KAT (they keep saying they'll have to break up this team for cap reasons)
Cleveland: Garland or Mitchell
But my favorite is actually Simons with Portland.
The Nets need a lead guard in the worst way. Simons is blocking both Sharpe and Scoot. The Blazers also could use the plethora of picks.
A Simons to BK, Bridges to NYK and Bogie + Deuce + Picks to POR trade works under the cap too.
Some teams/players that could make sense to send to the Nets:
ATL: Trae or Murray
New Orleans: Ingram
Minnesota: KAT (they keep saying they'll have to break up this team for cap reasons)
Cleveland: Garland or Mitchell
But my favorite is actually Simons with Portland.
The Nets need a lead guard in the worst way. Simons is blocking both Sharpe and Scoot. The Blazers also could use the plethora of picks.
A Simons to BK, Bridges to NYK and Bogie + Deuce + Picks to POR trade works under the cap too.
If you could do this, i immediately call the clips and try to do a paul george for Randle trade
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Bridges trade would have to be three teams. Eases the sting for the Nets in trading their best player to a rival and also the Nets seem to want to compete now since they don't have any of their picks.
Some teams/players that could make sense to send to the Nets:
ATL: Trae or Murray
New Orleans: Ingram
Minnesota: KAT (they keep saying they'll have to break up this team for cap reasons)
Cleveland: Garland or Mitchell
But my favorite is actually Simons with Portland.
The Nets need a lead guard in the worst way. Simons is blocking both Sharpe and Scoot. The Blazers also could use the plethora of picks.
A Simons to BK, Bridges to NYK and Bogie + Deuce + Picks to POR trade works under the cap too.
If you could do this, i immediately call the clips and try to do a paul george for Randle trade
Love Julius, but a Mikal-PG-OG wing trio is pretty insane, especially defensively. That's probably 3 of the top 6 or so wing defenders in the league.
Bojan had surgery on his wrist..
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I can’t believe I’m reading this. Knick fans want LeBron. You guys are crazy.
Knicks fans under the age of 60 would like to see a championship in their lifetimes.
Agreed, but if we won with LeBron, the narrative would be about LeBron. I don’t want to win that way.
I firmly believe the superstars of the LeBron era hurt the NBA product, with their me first attitude and play style, flopping and incessant complaining. It feels like the league is finally coming out of that haze, with team and city oriented superstars, de-emphasizing flopping and emphasizing a more physical game that isn’t over officiated. Hopefully all of that brings the complaining down, but that remains to be seen.
I can’t wait for the LeBron’s, Harden’s, Durant’s and Kyrie’s disappear.
Totally agree aim
@SbondyNBA
Between December and May, the Knicks had seven surgeries:
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* OG Anunoby (Elbow)
* Julius Randle (shoulder)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (foot)
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* Jalen Brunson (hand)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (wrist)
@SbondyNBA
Between December and May, the Knicks had seven surgeries:
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* OG Anunoby (Elbow)
* Julius Randle (shoulder)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (foot)
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* Jalen Brunson (hand)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (wrist)
I don't remember seeing anything like this, with any team. Totally nuts. The only guy who somehow managed to stay healthy all year was Divencenzo.
Hartenstein had that Achilles thing and Hart had the Ab thing but they didn't surgery.
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@SbondyNBA
Between December and May, the Knicks had seven surgeries:
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* OG Anunoby (Elbow)
* Julius Randle (shoulder)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (foot)
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* Jalen Brunson (hand)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (wrist)
I don't remember seeing anything like this, with any team. Totally nuts. The only guy who somehow managed to stay healthy all year was Divencenzo.
Hartenstein had that Achilles thing and Hart had the Ab thing but they didn't surgery.
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@SbondyNBA
Between December and May, the Knicks had seven surgeries:
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* OG Anunoby (Elbow)
* Julius Randle (shoulder)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (foot)
* Mitchell Robinson (ankle)
* Jalen Brunson (hand)
* Bojan Bogdanovic (wrist)
I don't remember seeing anything like this, with any team. Totally nuts. The only guy who somehow managed to stay healthy all year was Divencenzo.
Hartenstein had that Achilles thing and Hart had the Ab thing but they didn't surgery.
Don't forget big buckets Burks avoided surgery... but everyone forgot his was still on this team...Think if somehow if the knicks built up a big lead in first half of game 7 and somehow won the starting lineup would be Miles, DDV, Burks, Precious and Hartenstein and still think we would have stayed close to the Celtics they are overrated. The only problem is the bench would have Miles, DDV, Burks, Precious and Hartenstein.
I think the Nets might be worried about the blowback they get if they turn another big offer down for him. The team is going nowhere and theres not really a point of having Bridges on that type of squad.
He's young, fits the culture perfectly and fits their play perfectly. Great D, good shooting for spacing and just enough creation to help when needed.
They could also market it as doing Bridges a solid and I'm sure they would like to own some unprotected Knicks picks.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
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Philly is confident they can land Paul George to play alongside Embiid and Maxey.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
I love George as a player, but to me, his age bothers me in giving up a ton of assets for him. I guess any deal would include Randle. Should be interesting as PG is CAA.
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Philly is confident they can land Paul George to play alongside Embiid and Maxey.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
I love George as a player, but to me, his age bothers me in giving up a ton of assets for him. I guess any deal would include Randle. Should be interesting as PG is CAA.
Yeah i think any deal includes Randle, he is a good fit next to Kawhi
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Philly is confident they can land Paul George to play alongside Embiid and Maxey.
It seems the Knicks and 76ers will be battling on this front. Philly has an advantage as they can sign him outright.
The problem for Phyilly though is LAC really going to want to lose him for nothing and then not add anything to a newly signed Kawhi?
My guess George will work with LAC
I love George as a player, but to me, his age bothers me in giving up a ton of assets for him. I guess any deal would include Randle. Should be interesting as PG is CAA.
Yeah i think any deal includes Randle, he is a good fit next to Kawhi
LAC is one team that Randle makes some sense on, both CAA clients, that could be the move if PG leaves LA.
Brunson-Divo-PG-OG-Mitch - does that put us on top over Boston, improving Indiana, Philly and Mill.
There are two names I'm all in on: Bridges and Booker.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
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for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
I find that very very hard to believe.
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for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
Wow very interesting. Don't think I'd do that but its a moot point now any way with DeRozan being a UFA Chicago has no leverage. I know DeRozan is not a great defender, but the guy is a professional scorer and being the driving force of the 2nd unit he could be very valuable and Caruso helps the D immensly.
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for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
Not even remotely true.
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for DeRozan & Caruso. We send back some picks and Bojan to make the salries work. We sell DeRozan on being the next Jamal Crawford 6th man microwave type off the bench to chase a ring the latter part of his career. Caruso gives us another elite defender/ball handler. Chi could easily lose DeRozan for nothing so they'd probably jump at the assets.
According to Scoop b so take FWIW, he claims kNicks and Bulls discussed a deal at the deadline Randle for Derozan and Caruso
Not even remotely true.
Not surprising
We can only hope (and expect) the big move this time around pays bigger and better dividends.
No idea what to expect but I trust this regime. They will make the right move. If it's a minor move or two, fine. If it's a whopper, fine. I do think they will explore everything.
The Randle looming contract adds a wrinkle. We saw how they handled IQ and I think they liked him a lot as a player. HE played a lot of minutes here. This regime drafted him. They still dealt him. They could do the same with Randle.
There are two names I'm all in on: Bridges and Booker.
I agree with you Jon. Giannis and Booker are the stars I'd chase (who wouldn't) but they are most likely a pipe dream.
Bridges is the other guy I would love to have, and while it's probably not as unlikely, I have a hard time believing the Nets would deal with us.
That said, I'm also comfortable moving forward with the core we have in place and making some smart moves around those guys. Maybe we bring in a Caruso, who I'd love to get, or other lesser tier moves.
It would be really hard to convince me that with health, we wouldn't still be playing with a golden opportunity to knock out Boston or either Western team.
My least favorite player... Want nothing to do with him. He defensive rating continues to drop and the lack of 3 pt shooting just doesn't make him a good fit.
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Demar Derozan to Knicks is a realistic possibility
My least favorite player... Want nothing to do with him. He defensive rating continues to drop and the lack of 3 pt shooting just doesn't make him a good fit.
They mentioned it as a bench scorer but i dont knownif he is receptive to that, especially when all indications are the Bulls want to pay him
He's been a significant add through the draft for the Mavs. Woulda/coulda been a Knick pick if Dallas had won a couple more games last year.
A useful player on a controlled rookie contract salary is a very good thing to have.