is a more well rounded team than FLA, but FLA plays far more physically.
FLA 2nd most hits in the playoffs and 5th in hits per game of all 16 playoff teams (47.15 hits per 60 - that is A LOT for 2 playoff rounds and 2nd most per game of all teams in the round of 8).
CAR was 16 out of 16 playoff teams with (24.57 hits per game).
But with that aggression also comes an insane amount of penalties.
FLA is 2nd in PIMS in the playoffs to BOS (BOS played two more games) and 2nd to NYI of all playoff teams in PIMS per game with 15:32 (FLA played 6 more games). That is on average almost 8 minor penalties per game.
And that will be a key to the series IMO. Can NYR maintain discipline and capitalize on the PP.
Shaun Morash from WFAN was talking last night on a Twitter Space or whatever the hell the thing is, but said that he has a source that says Fox is playing with a separated shoulder. The hit in Carolina screwed up his shoulder when he fell. We will find out after the season ends if it's true or not!
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
I think the winner wins the Cup. Great goaltending, balanced scoring and size on both teams. I think IGOR and Rangers Specials make the difference but it won't be easy. Very little room for error.
Agree that Miller-Schneider, Trouba-Gus were more effective pairings.
Also agree Rempe should be playing. This team is bigger and tougher than CAR. It's going to be a more physical series. A couple of shifts per period of Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey cycling low and banging around the Cats D is a good thing. And if it gets rough they will need him.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
The lines are fine as they are. Chytil-Wennberg-Kakko on the third line and Cuylle-Goodrow-Vesey on the fourth. Great bottom-6.
Agree with Greg. Hate that they reunited the K'Andre-Trouba pairing, but alas.
Hopefully Cuylle is enough to deter Tkachuk or Bennett from starting any shit. But let them take stupid penalties, which they're known to do, and then we can capitalize on the PP.
I think it'll come down to who makes more difficult saves: Igor or Bob. I think both teams will pepper both with shots, but who will make the important saves when they need to be made. Panthers are not short on firepower as their top-6 is as good as anyone's.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
They will run Chytil right back into concussion protocol. Panthers will play super aggressive and try to manhandle Rangers. Rempe needs to be out there. Not just to fight. Let him run a few of their guys . I don't think trying to finesse Panthers will work .
but Chytil needs to be in the lineup. This is not the Rangers from 3 years ago where they had no one in the lineup who can match other teams' physicality. The Rangers are one of the most physical teams in the league, even without Rempe. Chytil provides so much in the way of speed, shooting mentality, stickhandling, driving D back, and he's a quietly solid defensive forward. The 3rd line has been generating a lot in the way of offensive zone possession, now add one of the Rangers' best scoring forwards to the line, and that is going to be a crucial component to winning this series.
I'm picking Rangers in 6, same pick I made in the Carolina series, but this one I'm not quite as confident about. Florida is a nasty bunch of SOB's, who are also incredibly talented, deep, and have a goalie who can absolutely steal a series if he needs to. Key questions for the Rangers' success are: Can the Rangers' compromised D pairs keep up with the Florida forwards? Can they continue to dominate the special teams battle? Can they take advantage of Florida's D? Can they withstand Florida's physicality?
But as much as I love Rempe's physicality, there is no way he should play over a healthy Chytil .
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Both teams have issues playing against the other teams dominant style. However is able to overcome that will win.
I am happy that they're here. Not many expected an ECF appearance after PL was hired. He's done an outstanding job in my opinion.
Let's Go Rangers...you've gotten this far, might as well go all the way.
The fact that Laviolette is not a Jack Adams finalist is truly unbelievable to me. I think a lot of people doubted the Rangers' core, the development of the young forwards, and the team in general after the Devils series. I was among them, starting to think they can never win a Cup with this core. Then you watch these playoffs, aside from the poor game 5 against Carolina (which was likely due to the flu kicking around the team), every player on this team has been engaged, working their asses off for every inch of ice. This is not just a testament to Laviolette, but to the whole coaching staff.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
No doubt that Florida is really good. I hope to live a really long time and see a lot of Rangers playoff hockey, and I don't ever expect to see them play in an ECF where the opponent isn't a little scary. The Panthers are here for a reason.
I feel better about this series than the last, for the sole reason that playing against Carolina bothers me a lot more than it bothers most. I think their style of play is a terror to deal with, even if they are perennially light on the offensive talent to bury the chances they create.
there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Vince is reporting that Chytil is all but certain to play
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
He was able to do a little more the last game, better on the puck but he is still off on some of his outlets and is not aggressive with his shot. We get him back to joining the rush we will be more dynamic.
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
Tell me about it. I think the Game 4 thread is where people were talking about the 04 Yankees - Red Sox series.
There's a difference between "Hey, Trouba is an idiot who has no business turning a puck over there" to "This series is over, Florida is winning it" if Florida goes up 1-0 in the first period tonight.
RE: still not thrilled at Miller and Trouba being paired again
is to just stay off of game threads during games. My experience is that they simply do not bring me satisfaction in 90%+ of situations.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
RE: there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
Chytil plays because they really could use his offensive production
He was third on the team in 5v5 goals last year. The team will benefit from a boost to the third line - relying on the top two lines for almost all of the scoring is tough to sustain.
Play smart, don't take the bait, rack up the power plays and make them pay for those penalties.
They aren't super exciting to watch but a damned good team. I picked Dallas vs Florida at the beginning but I think the Rangers can take them if they get that great goaltending. Should be a fun series!
STs as noted so important. But going back to a prior pj comment months ago, the team that wins the 5 on 5 likely wins the Series and the Cup. Rangers have struggled there much of the season.
Per Greg--agree that Miller/Schneider were a more effective pair--think broader comment on the back line is positioning generally, especially under forechecking pressure. CAR made each pair look completely lost, stuck to the walls when the puck was heading to the slot or the circles. They have to do a better job of covering, their man and for each other, and all the Fs have to help. Miller and Schneider are best skaters (with Fox hobbled): I worry the others will give up too much ice in effort not to let Panther Fs jetski by them. Lindgren is Lindgren, glue, has to stay healthy. I'm stuck with worry about Filip.
FLA takes so many penalties if the NYR can capitalize on the PP they can lose the 5v5 GF battle and win the series.
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
In the playoffs so far BOS is the only team to have more PIMS than FLA. BOS had taken almost 5 penalties per game in the playoffs.
So, going back 25 years or whatever it is only one team has won the SC and not been the 5v5 goal leader (one of the Lightning teams), so it's a good indicator, but series by series circumstances can influence the outcome.
Rangers need discipline and to be effective when on the PP. If they do, IMO they win the series.
also, I cringe when I see comments about these Rangers being a "finesse" team. The Rangers have one player who you could call a finesse player (Panarin) and he dished out one of the hardest hits in the playoffs by a Ranger on Oshie. This Rangers team is not a finesse team even if you wish players like Kreider and Mika would hit more, but where they will win this series for the Rangers is on the PP and the odd-man rushes. FLA D is porous. they give up a ton of odd-man rushes opting for offense from players like Ekblad and Montour.
RE: RE: there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
I'm not scratching Wennberg, he is valuable in the D zone and makes a lot of subtle plays on and off the puck to keep the puck in the offensive zone, and in the neutral zone. He has been on the ice for one goal against in 10 playoff games, and the line with him, Cuylle and Kakko has generated good offensive zone time. Adding Chytil to that line could be a good spark, but if I'm looking at the best 12 forwards on the team, Wennberg is among them. I get why people want Rempe in, and I wish there was a way to make that happen too, but not at the expense of a player who can log 12+ minutes and potentially shut down the Barkov line with home ice matchups.
Well that would be novel, if not a first. Good of you to call yourself out. (:
And I take your point, but:
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FLA takes so many penalties if the NYR can capitalize on the PP they can lose the 5v5 GF battle and win the series.
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
Well, as dicey as FLA ostensibly is taking penalties, on STs vs FLA shows it can go very sour; BOS went
1 goal scored on 16PP
6 goals allow on 28PK
if FLA is vulnerable on STs and bec of penalties taken, it did not show vs Bruins.
One area where Rangers--and we all wish you good luck with your long shot bet--have to improve: they are good on the PK and have some SH goals, but they've blown a bunch of SH breakaways. Bob won't likely be worse than Andersen.
is to just stay off of game threads during games. My experience is that they simply do not bring me satisfaction in 90%+ of situations.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
If I posted during game 6 I would have been fired from Rangers threads all time. Instead I just sat on my couch scowling and texting friends how shitty a game 7 was going to be. We're all human, or at least most of us are human.
I know I didn't turn the game off unlike some people I know. Shame on them. They missed a doozy.
I learn a lot more about hockey in the game threads than I learn about any other sport in any other game threads around here. That's the best compliment I can give to the Rangers game threads. They are the best game threads going even if they get a little wonky and miserable.
But as much as I love Rempe's physicality, there is no way he should play over a healthy Chytil .
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
Exactly, it shortens the bench. MAYBE you play him game 1 -- but he's clearly not going to play any games in Florida, and barely play late in the series at MSG.
It's a no brainer to play Chytil over him, I don't even think there's really a debate.
RE: RE: there is no way in hell Chytil shouldn't be playing
unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
Rempe gets 6 minutes of ice time when he plays. Wennberg, while he doesn't shoot, centers a line that is great with posession and has been very good defensively.
KK + Chytil have familiarity, I think Chytil makes KK better. But Vesey has a bit of offense, and Cuylle does a lot of dirty work and is a big body. Goodrow is better at wing than C as well.
putting Rempe in for Wenny shortens the bench. He's going to blossom into a solid bottom 6 F with a defined role IMO, but he isn't there yet.
Laviolette straight up doesn't play him at the end of games. Why are we wasting a skater on that? He isn't the only guy who can throw his body around on this team -- IMO, it's way more importan to increase the offensive potential + puck possession than marginally increasing our toughness (not that Rempe isn't a big shot in the arm for toughness, but he plays like 6 minutes, as mentioned before).
Lastly, people seem to forget that the refs will call ANYTHING on Rempe. Can't take those risks at this point.
overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Agree 100%. I happen to like Rempe because of the energy he seems to bring to the team and from the home fans. But, the reality is Chytil is a MUCH better player, as long as he's healthy. Also, Rempe's size makes him a target not just for opposing players, but the officials.
If Chytil is still not 100%, then sure.
As for the style of play, I agree and forgot who I hear talking about it on the radio. but they spent a whole segment saying just that. The thing with Florida is they are not just physical during play, but kind of dirty at/after the whistle. They have guys who will give the extra shove, or rake a glove in the face. But, it is often the retaliation that gets caught. The suggestion was not to give in to Florida and do the talking during play.
The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Not one person has said anything of the sort. But thanks for saying it if it makes you feel better.
We have the better goalie. As mentioned. Don't get pushed around but play your game. Panthers want to take penalties the PP will make the the pay 💰
had a flashback to my first Rangers game when I was a kid. In the blue seats for Rangers vs. Caps. Guy sitting next to me doing blow out of a little foil packet. George McPhee beats up Dino Ciccarelli. In honor of that glorious evening many moons ago, my prediction for tonight matches the score back then. 3-1. Let's Go Rangers!!!!!
RE: Guys my sincere apologies for my childlike actions
had a flashback to my first Rangers game when I was a kid. In the blue seats for Rangers vs. Caps. Guy sitting next to me doing blow out of a little foil packet. George McPhee beats up Dino Ciccarelli. In honor of that glorious evening many moons ago, my prediction for tonight matches the score back then. 3-1. Let's Go Rangers!!!!!
I'm going to the game tonight. If we lose, I may set myself on fire.
Hugs and kisses to you and hoya!!
You're missing this mega, one hour pre-game on MSG, just now focused on Reinhart. I wanted him so bad when he was FA and left the Sabres (or trade?), late teens? Even back then, Reinhart killed us from the slot with a then inferior team. Ignore him at your peril.
They have been their own worst enemy...I don't think FL has done anything special. Lock down the forecheck with more body and less stick checks and pin the boards. That's the difference. They can stealthily after a subpar start. FL only has 17 shots themselves. They've been no great shakes no matter what PK says.
Rangers need to be better on the dots and bury their chances. I would match Trocheck against Barkov if they're not, hard to tell.
Colin Stephenson
@ColinSNewsday
Still 1-0, FLA after 2. #NYR have 34 seconds of PP time to start the 3rd period. SOG 18-11, FLA. Per @NatStatTrick
, scoring chances 17-15, FLA, HD chances 6-4, Rangers. FLA has won 21-of-35 FOs. Chytil (6:39) second-least TOI for Rangers (Cuylle, 5:11). Fox (15:14) the most.
Colin Stephenson
@ColinSNewsday
Hits 19-17, Rangers.
Other than a few spurts here and there, mostly beginning of the second, it feels like we're still playing Carolina. Play always in our zone, stars not showing up. If someone is gonna tie this up, it's gonna involve Chytil in some way. He's got some jump at least.
Also, 1 PP so far? I guess that's the issue with living and dying by the PP. I don't even feel like the refs have swallowed the whistle, it just feels like a clean game, which works against us. Unlike Carolina who were tripping rangers left and right and had too many men on the ice multiple times without getting called for it
Maloney saying this again. Says Igor totally misplayed the puck.
I’m on radio so can’t opine.
Both Laf and Shesty went for the poke. Shesty probably should have just stood his ground. Also, Shesty turned the puck over on a terrible clear he didn't have to make. Just a bad play all around, indicative of how the whole tram played most of the night
and still, very well could've been going to OT 0-0. Gotta get more pressure Friday.
Agreed. NYR lost that game, FL didn't win it. They outshotvus by just 3 though you'd think listening to ESPN it was 50-10. The Rangers looked rusty. It's that simple.
I have never seen the Rangers D have so much trouble getting the puck out of their own end. It may be time to play Zac Jones who has the ability to carry the puck out of D zone.
Adam Fox definitely injured. Also probably Lindgren.
Give props to Bob who was terrific in goal.
they put on a fucking CLINIC on forechecking. the rangers had a ton of turnovers in their own zone and were suffocated. They had very few opportunities especially early one.
Florida forecheck is dominant... rangers have to find ways to skate or pass out of it or they wont win the series. Rangers did NOT deserve to win tonight. floridas dept hwas also so obvious. they wore the rangers down and late in game seemed to have better legs.
friday is a big one. if rangers dont win, thats not end of world but they need to have a better showing getting out of the forecheck.
RE: Rangers may have emptied the tank against Canes
I have never seen the Rangers D have so much trouble getting the puck out of their own end. It may be time to play Zac Jones who has the ability to carry the puck out of D zone.
Adam Fox definitely injured. Also probably Lindgren.
Give props to Bob who was terrific in goal.
Something is wrong. Neither are playing ti their level. I agree it may be time to shake up the D and get Jones in there.
they put on a fucking CLINIC on forechecking. the rangers had a ton of turnovers in their own zone and were suffocated. They had very few opportunities especially early one.
I believe the Rangers were sloppy and at times lazy against the forecheck. FL ended up with zero goals off their forecheck despite the ozone time. The Rangers turned it over unforced time and time again when they had room to skate or look for an outlet. I believe this game was lost by the Rangers being sloppy. Not because of anything great that FL did.
Florida forecheck is dominant... rangers have to find ways to skate or pass out of it or they wont win the series. Rangers did NOT deserve to win tonight. floridas dept hwas also so obvious. they wore the rangers down and late in game seemed to have better legs.
friday is a big one. if rangers dont win, thats not end of world but they need to have a better showing getting out of the forecheck.
RE: Rangers may have emptied the tank against Canes
I have never seen the Rangers D have so much trouble getting the puck out of their own end. It may be time to play Zac Jones who has the ability to carry the puck out of D zone.
Adam Fox definitely injured. Also probably Lindgren.
Give props to Bob who was terrific in goal.
Fox looks slower than molasses, not that he’s exactly Makar skating to begin with.
I don’t get the thing we saw frequently tonight when a Rangers defenseman has time and space in his own zone, holds the puck for an eternity before the forecheck comes, then proceeds to shit his pants.
That was my point. Two goals, one of which was a total softy and one which was basically an own goal. Scoring chances were close to even despite Florida getting more PP time.
That was my point. Two goals, one of which was a total softy and one which was basically an own goal. Scoring chances were close to even despite Florida getting more PP time.
i think youre downplaying the florida forecheck and it seems the rangers did too. they were not ready for it. florida is a big team too so they wore us down...
Rangers didn’t get to the dirty areas enough. Gave up a cheap goal, an own goal and an ENG. I think the long layoff carried over into some sluggishness out of the gate. The lineup for game 2 needs to be different. Rempe needs to be inserted, Rangers looked lifeless. Chytil did nothing to me that warrants him playing tomorrow. Neither did Vesey. Brooks also pointed out that Chytil sat for a very long stretch in the 3rd period. Rangers need some energy because they had none last night. Also, Fox is a shell of himself, if he’s hurt that badly, play Jones.
Very few chances for both teams. Florida is going to have an advantage on the fore check. We should have an advantage on the rush.
ESPN was making it sound like Florida was dominant. I didn't see it that way. Maybe they had some edges in territory and shot volume, but we can win games like that. We could've won tonight.
This is two good teams. We'll see how it develops buy it looks pretty even to me. There will be some tossup games in a tossup series. We lost one, which is bad, but we are good and we can win.
but give Florida credit, they were in control of the game from opening puck drop until the final horn. I expect the Rangers will regroup and bounce back tomorrow night, it's what they've done all year. They had some chances, just few and far between, and the old miss the net habit reared its ugly head. Fox is my main concern, he looks like he can barely move. The turnovers were really bad, early on especially. We've all talked about Zac Jones a lot, I think it's time to put him in for Gustafsson. As for Chytil/Rempe, Chytil didn't get much more playing time last night than Rempe would have, but I still think you have to roll with Chytil. What I do not get is having him on the ice with 10 seconds left so Mikkola can send him home with a hard message that Florida is going to play every second of every game. We knew this series would be tough, though I did not expect a game 1 shutout loss. That said, they can rebound and I think they will.
hardly inspiring but no need to panic. just win game 2
Fox is playing injured, that is settled. It looked like he was playing on one leg last night. He was a net negative. I give him credit for battling through it, but he may be hurting the team more than he's helping right now.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Yeah, that was dumb. All things considered I thought Kakko got a pretty good shot off, but he's not Ovechkin, and you're setting him up for an awfully low percentage shot at that angle.
I don't think I've seen a goal on home ice in the playoffs since Stepan's game winner against Washington in 2015.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
Fox is playing injured, that is settled. It looked like he was playing on one leg last night. He was a net negative. I give him credit for battling through it, but he may be hurting the team more than he's helping right now.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Jones needs to be inserted, in this series especially. Rangers need a good puck moving defenseman. If it's Fox coming out because he's not 100% or Gus, because he isn't that good, they need someone who can carry it out.
To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
I don't think I've seen a goal on home ice in the playoffs since Stepan's game winner against Washington in 2015.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
They lost 3-0 in '97 to the Panthers and rolled off four straight.
Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Unlike Gallant, Lavi is very good at toggling the team based on opponent. Panthers did a great job clogging the middle in the defensive zone--almost reminiscent of the Tortorella Rangers--but they gave up odd man rushes/breakaways.
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
from the whipping boy thing, but Gustafsson has been living on my shit list lately.
I appreciate the role he played this year, and he was a beast in the first ~third of the season, but I am ready for Jones to step into a full-time role.
Hopefully many weeks from now and after raising a trophy, the conversations around the defensemen broadly are going to be interesting.
Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
Unlike Gallant, Lavi is very good at toggling the team based on opponent. Panthers did a great job clogging the middle in the defensive zone--almost reminiscent of the Tortorella Rangers--but they gave up odd man rushes/breakaways.
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
Speaking of said breakaways, can this team ever freaking score on one? I know during the regular season they had the lowest breakaway goal percentage in the league by a pretty substantial margin. I know it was Schneider and Cuylle on the breakaway chances, but this has been maddening all season long that they just never seem to score on breakaways.
They stayed out of the box (mostly).
They fore checked and controlled zone time
Bobrovsky came up huge on the Rangers high danger chances
And it took a softie and own goal for them to win.
I wouldn't worry.
Someone posted above Fox was playing with a separated shoulder. And I had been interested in that theory because I can't recall him shooting much since the game where the injury allegedly occurred. He let one rip on the PP in the 3rd. He doesn't have a separated shoulder IMO. No way he could do that if he did. It's a LBI IMO. He was a menace on the shot block though but that's really all he did.
I do think if this is all you get from Roslovic I agree with others, he could be watching from the press box. I did not think Chytil was invisible, like some others did, he and Panarin the only forwards who really carried the puck through the neutral zone which is how you need to beat FLA.
I have been against playing Rempe, I think the Panthers will expose him more than be intimidated by him, but if that's all you get from Roslovic then Rempe's positives outweigh his negatives. I doubt Lavy sits Roslovic though. But I could see the lineup change someone above proposed - Chytil on RW1 and Rempe on RW4 and Roslovic to the bench. And Roslovic wasn't the worst forward, so I don't mean to single him out, it's just he plays on a line with Mika and Kreider.
Bottom line if the Rangers scored on a fraction of their high danger chances they win the game. I wouldn't panic, but could see a lineup tweak.
Also, Sasha Barkov is so good. When they talk Selke award this is it, the cliched "200 foot game" so much like Bergeron, but Barkov is a better scorer/skill player. Bergeron a little more physical.
Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
Yeah agreed. Was far too easy for Florida to exit our zone. Thought we just looked unsure and skittish overall. A few good spurts of play, the start of the second period and the Wennberg chance in the third into the PP, were interrupted by silly mistakes that killed momentum. Roslovic high stick and Igor playing the puck before the own goal. Just a strange start to the series from our team, but some credit is due to Florida for sure.
Kreider did talk about the ice being pretty bad. There were uncharacteristic fumbles of the puck all night. Could have been a factor and that's tougher when you're trying to come back instead of playing a simple game with the lead like Florida was able to.
To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
in two ways that Roslovic did not (and I'm not saying they need to play him - I was strongly against it before).
1. Forecheck, it's Rempe's skill (besides fighting which you don't need)
2. Net front presence. Bobrovsky can be knocked off his game (not physically) and he does this thing I noticed lately where he drops his stick. Hank talked about it during the Bruins series. Maybe CHP knows why but it happened last night at least once. Hank said something to do with stopping/corralling a loose puck with your blocker hand. In the Bruins series he lost his stick like 5 times one game.
There was not much traffic in front of Bobrovsky last night for the most part. Every game I see Rempe play he's camped out in front of the crease.
That's the kind of greasy play the Rangers will need if FLA stays disciplined and doesn't take penalties and Rangers can't capitalize on their chances.
it's all related though - you can't have greasy plays without the puck and you are less likely to draw penalties without the puck.
Most penalties occur when one player is trying to get the puck from another player. the other team commits penalties trying to get it, high sticks, hooks, trips, boarding, etc. almost all happen trying to separate the puck from someone. So, the Rangers need the puck more.
or makes going forward. Yes, his size and forechecking offer certain skills. But, other players in his place offer more overall skill, especially on the offensive end.
I like Rempe, but there is some misplaced inflating of his overall impact.
They were not beat by being out-muscled or roughed up.
I also think he is a liability on defense
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
I agree with this. For all his size, I don't think he has a big impact defensively. I agree that the way officials call the game with him in, he becomes a liability in his limited ice time. There is a real problem with the way the league is treating him based on nothing more than size.
RE: RE: Rempe if he plays won’t total more than 5 minutes
I also think he is a liability on defense
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
I agree with this. For all his size, I don't think he has a big impact defensively. I agree that the way officials call the game with him in, he becomes a liability in his limited ice time. There is a real problem with the way the league is treating him based on nothing more than size.
He screens the goalie, he also gets in and leans on opponents while on the forecheck? Who did that last night? No one. Yes, the Rangers were able to exploit the Panthers aggressive defense with odd man break outs. But that can't be the main way they create offense. They need puck possession in the opponents zone. This series is going to require them to get physical for puck possession and winning one on one battles.
For the knowledgeable hockey fans, in your opinions is this as dire as it looked last night?
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time Link - ( New Window )
I think Rempe is a better hockey player than people think, but we can't risk having him on the ice given the refs want to call everything on him.
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
For the knowledgeable hockey fans, in your opinions is this as dire as it looked last night?
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time Link - ( New Window )
if the Panthers are going to be as satisfied to play a low-event game like they were last night, capitalizing on one's chances is what will be paramount.
In the case of last night, it was 2 missed breakaways, a couple of pipes, and a couple of shots that were just plain air-mailed.
On the other end, it was a bad read on the "real" goal and a Keystone Cops moment caused by Igor outside of the crease.
I think Rempe is a better hockey player than people think, but we can't risk having him on the ice given the refs want to call everything on him.
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
How about scoring more than 0 goals?
Duh doy. Adam Fox with two functional legs would presumably help the team do that.
Kreider - Zib - Roslovic
Panarin - Trocheck - Laf
Chytil - Wennberg - Kakko
Cuylle - Goodrow - Vesey
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Gus - Schneider
I'm hoping some rest rejuvenates Fox. They will need much more from him than he brought to the Carolina series if they're gonna move on.
FLA 2nd most hits in the playoffs and 5th in hits per game of all 16 playoff teams (47.15 hits per 60 - that is A LOT for 2 playoff rounds and 2nd most per game of all teams in the round of 8).
CAR was 16 out of 16 playoff teams with (24.57 hits per game).
But with that aggression also comes an insane amount of penalties.
FLA is 2nd in PIMS in the playoffs to BOS (BOS played two more games) and 2nd to NYI of all playoff teams in PIMS per game with 15:32 (FLA played 6 more games). That is on average almost 8 minor penalties per game.
And that will be a key to the series IMO. Can NYR maintain discipline and capitalize on the PP.
Florida isn't coming to New York to take in a Broadway show. These guys are coming for a war. Set Rempe out there to let them know they're ready.
I'm not totally against it for Game 1. Chytil needs to expect that this Florida team might just go after him with some hard hits.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Agree that Miller-Schneider, Trouba-Gus were more effective pairings.
Also agree Rempe should be playing. This team is bigger and tougher than CAR. It's going to be a more physical series. A couple of shifts per period of Rempe-Goodrow-Vesey cycling low and banging around the Cats D is a good thing. And if it gets rough they will need him.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Agree with Greg. Hate that they reunited the K'Andre-Trouba pairing, but alas.
Hopefully Cuylle is enough to deter Tkachuk or Bennett from starting any shit. But let them take stupid penalties, which they're known to do, and then we can capitalize on the PP.
I think it'll come down to who makes more difficult saves: Igor or Bob. I think both teams will pepper both with shots, but who will make the important saves when they need to be made. Panthers are not short on firepower as their top-6 is as good as anyone's.
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overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
I'm picking Rangers in 6, same pick I made in the Carolina series, but this one I'm not quite as confident about. Florida is a nasty bunch of SOB's, who are also incredibly talented, deep, and have a goalie who can absolutely steal a series if he needs to. Key questions for the Rangers' success are: Can the Rangers' compromised D pairs keep up with the Florida forwards? Can they continue to dominate the special teams battle? Can they take advantage of Florida's D? Can they withstand Florida's physicality?
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
I am happy that they're here. Not many expected an ECF appearance after PL was hired. He's done an outstanding job in my opinion.
Let's Go Rangers...you've gotten this far, might as well go all the way.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
I am happy that they're here. Not many expected an ECF appearance after PL was hired. He's done an outstanding job in my opinion.
Let's Go Rangers...you've gotten this far, might as well go all the way.
The fact that Laviolette is not a Jack Adams finalist is truly unbelievable to me. I think a lot of people doubted the Rangers' core, the development of the young forwards, and the team in general after the Devils series. I was among them, starting to think they can never win a Cup with this core. Then you watch these playoffs, aside from the poor game 5 against Carolina (which was likely due to the flu kicking around the team), every player on this team has been engaged, working their asses off for every inch of ice. This is not just a testament to Laviolette, but to the whole coaching staff.
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overestimate Rempe and underestimate everyone else.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
Couldn't agree more. Play with a thick skin and don't lay down and take any bullshit, but I'll happily let them win the hit-counter competition and rack up penalty minutes along the way.
Florida is fast and aggressive, but from a system perspective their forecheck isn't as suffocating as Carolina.
When we've seen the rangers at their best, they've been excellent at suppressing quality shots and exiting the DZ with control. That's really where my focus is.
I'm hoping that Wennberg can keep Barkov in jail in these early home games with last change.
Florida is a complete team and I am scared. I have not watched them much this year, maybe 5-10 times, but I always felt that their defense was good and the stats back it up at 2.4 goals per game.
No doubt that Florida is really good. I hope to live a really long time and see a lot of Rangers playoff hockey, and I don't ever expect to see them play in an ECF where the opponent isn't a little scary. The Panthers are here for a reason.
I feel better about this series than the last, for the sole reason that playing against Carolina bothers me a lot more than it bothers most. I think their style of play is a terror to deal with, even if they are perennially light on the offensive talent to bury the chances they create.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
Chytl plays if he can.
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The Rangers aren't going to sweep this series against Florida. They will lose a game. Can we not declare the series is over? I get being reactionary, but let's keep the clown takes to yourself.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Yes, I have never seen such vitriol over a team that won the President's Trophy and is 8-2 in the playoffs. The narrative around the Rangers this year truly confuses me, and the game 6 game thread is truly hilarious to read lol
Tell me about it. I think the Game 4 thread is where people were talking about the 04 Yankees - Red Sox series.
There's a difference between "Hey, Trouba is an idiot who has no business turning a puck over there" to "This series is over, Florida is winning it" if Florida goes up 1-0 in the first period tonight.
I'm hoping some rest rejuvenates Fox. They will need much more from him than he brought to the Carolina series if they're gonna move on.
When you consider the epic fuck ups we saw from Troubs & Gustafsson in the last game, maybe the plan is to limit the damage by separating them.
That’s all I can come up with.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
Play smart, don't take the bait, rack up the power plays and make them pay for those penalties.
Per Greg--agree that Miller/Schneider were a more effective pair--think broader comment on the back line is positioning generally, especially under forechecking pressure. CAR made each pair look completely lost, stuck to the walls when the puck was heading to the slot or the circles. They have to do a better job of covering, their man and for each other, and all the Fs have to help. Miller and Schneider are best skaters (with Fox hobbled): I worry the others will give up too much ice in effort not to let Panther Fs jetski by them. Lindgren is Lindgren, glue, has to stay healthy. I'm stuck with worry about Filip.
Igor has to be Igor. Stand by your man!!
FLA takes so many penalties if the NYR can capitalize on the PP they can lose the 5v5 GF battle and win the series.
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
In the playoffs so far BOS is the only team to have more PIMS than FLA. BOS had taken almost 5 penalties per game in the playoffs.
So, going back 25 years or whatever it is only one team has won the SC and not been the 5v5 goal leader (one of the Lightning teams), so it's a good indicator, but series by series circumstances can influence the outcome.
Rangers need discipline and to be effective when on the PP. If they do, IMO they win the series.
also, I cringe when I see comments about these Rangers being a "finesse" team. The Rangers have one player who you could call a finesse player (Panarin) and he dished out one of the hardest hits in the playoffs by a Ranger on Oshie. This Rangers team is not a finesse team even if you wish players like Kreider and Mika would hit more, but where they will win this series for the Rangers is on the PP and the odd-man rushes. FLA D is porous. they give up a ton of odd-man rushes opting for offense from players like Ekblad and Montour.
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unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
I'm not scratching Wennberg, he is valuable in the D zone and makes a lot of subtle plays on and off the puck to keep the puck in the offensive zone, and in the neutral zone. He has been on the ice for one goal against in 10 playoff games, and the line with him, Cuylle and Kakko has generated good offensive zone time. Adding Chytil to that line could be a good spark, but if I'm looking at the best 12 forwards on the team, Wennberg is among them. I get why people want Rempe in, and I wish there was a way to make that happen too, but not at the expense of a player who can log 12+ minutes and potentially shut down the Barkov line with home ice matchups.
And I take your point, but:
BOS outscored FLA at 5v5 (12/11) without counting ENG goals and lost the series.
Well, as dicey as FLA ostensibly is taking penalties, on STs vs FLA shows it can go very sour; BOS went
1 goal scored on 16PP
6 goals allow on 28PK
if FLA is vulnerable on STs and bec of penalties taken, it did not show vs Bruins.
One area where Rangers--and we all wish you good luck with your long shot bet--have to improve: they are good on the PK and have some SH goals, but they've blown a bunch of SH breakaways. Bob won't likely be worse than Andersen.
The Rangers PP is significantly better than the Bruins, and they faced the #1 PK in the league last round.
The Rangers PP is significantly better than the Bruins, and they faced the #1 PK in the league last round.
Exactly, the Bruins PP was mediocre in the regular season. NYR had the 3rd best PP in the league in the regular season.
You always want to win 5v5, but in this series win specials and you may win the series.
The Rangers PP is significantly better than the Bruins, and they faced the #1 PK in the league last round.
It's damn good, no question. All I'm saying is that Rangers need to maximize margins when/where they can find them.
All that said, each Series is different, plays out differently.
Enjoy the game, and you'll have plenty of time in the ensuing hours to carry on.
This goes for all sports.
It's not a slight to anyone. I think human nature is simply that the "need" felt to say something is 100x stronger when that something is negative, and so the content of the threads in real time just snowballs on itself and creates a caricature.
If I posted during game 6 I would have been fired from Rangers threads all time. Instead I just sat on my couch scowling and texting friends how shitty a game 7 was going to be. We're all human, or at least most of us are human.
I know I didn't turn the game off unlike some people I know. Shame on them. They missed a doozy.
I learn a lot more about hockey in the game threads than I learn about any other sport in any other game threads around here. That's the best compliment I can give to the Rangers game threads. They are the best game threads going even if they get a little wonky and miserable.
Chytil is obviously far superior offensively, but i think many here are missing that Rempe is just not trusted on the defensive side by Lavi. So you are getting maybe 4 to 5 minutes of Rempe for two periods and then he sits the entire third.
I am no hockey expert, but it is obvious that the staff believes he is a defensive liability.
It's a no brainer to play Chytil over him, I don't even think there's really a debate.
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unless he can't play. All indications are he can play. Thus he should play. Rempe is a fan favorite who takes the body. Great. He may or may not develop into a legit starting forward one day, but as of now he's not a legit starting forward. He's a guy you have fun with in January. Not now, unless he's forced into the lineup thx to injuries or the 1-100 chance the Rangers can't defend themselves, which I don't buy at all.
Chytil can score and create. It's late May. He plays.
Chytil could center the 3rd line with KK and Cuylle. Put Rempe, Goodrow, Vesey as the 4th line and scratch Wennberg.
KK + Chytil have familiarity, I think Chytil makes KK better. But Vesey has a bit of offense, and Cuylle does a lot of dirty work and is a big body. Goodrow is better at wing than C as well.
I'd going either:
Vesey - Chytil - KK
Cuylle - Wenny - Goodrow
or
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Vesey - Wenny - Goodrow
putting Rempe in for Wenny shortens the bench. He's going to blossom into a solid bottom 6 F with a defined role IMO, but he isn't there yet.
Laviolette straight up doesn't play him at the end of games. Why are we wasting a skater on that? He isn't the only guy who can throw his body around on this team -- IMO, it's way more importan to increase the offensive potential + puck possession than marginally increasing our toughness (not that Rempe isn't a big shot in the arm for toughness, but he plays like 6 minutes, as mentioned before).
Lastly, people seem to forget that the refs will call ANYTHING on Rempe. Can't take those risks at this point.
Bennett is not Marchand. Google Bennett's fight card. He fights everyone. He is a little wild, like Rempe, but I don't think that's a fight Rempe wins in a walk. In fact I could see Bennett winning.
He is a guy who WILL cross the line though. Let him.
If I were the Rangers the last thing I would do is try and match FLA physically. Just play the Rangers game. FLA D is VERY susceptible. They give up so many odd-man rushes if NYR doesn't get distracted by the nonsense these games can get out of hand.
Doesn't mean get pushed around, but it means don't get distracted and sucked into stupid play.
If Chytil is still not 100%, then sure.
As for the style of play, I agree and forgot who I hear talking about it on the radio. but they spent a whole segment saying just that. The thing with Florida is they are not just physical during play, but kind of dirty at/after the whistle. They have guys who will give the extra shove, or rake a glove in the face. But, it is often the retaliation that gets caught. The suggestion was not to give in to Florida and do the talking during play.
Rangers in 6! LFG.
Not one person has said anything of the sort. But thanks for saying it if it makes you feel better.
We have the better goalie. As mentioned. Don't get pushed around but play your game. Panthers want to take penalties the PP will make the the pay 💰
Forget a 4 game sweep, destroy them so badly for 3 games they just forfeit game 4 in shame
Enough talk, drop the fucking puck, let’s go Rangers!!
I'm about to Marty McSorley LT56 for his negative bullshit.
Won't happen again? Don't make promises you can't keep, rnargi.
I literally don't care what any of you say during the game. Not everyone can be as consistently level-headed and intelligent as me.
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In the last two game threads. I was suffering Rangers PTSD and I let it get the best of me. It won't happen again. I promise.
Won't happen again? Don't make promises you can't keep, rnargi.
I literally don't care what any of you say during the game. Not everyone can be as consistently level-headed and intelligent as me.
Thanks, Brett! Hey wait....
All good. LGR!!!
#LGR
should be win or lose. self-immolation is all the rage lately.
lol.
It was a medium foil packet.
Be sure to take Tkachuk with you
Hugs and kisses to you and hoya!!
You're missing this mega, one hour pre-game on MSG, just now focused on Reinhart. I wanted him so bad when he was FA and left the Sabres (or trade?), late teens? Even back then, Reinhart killed us from the slot with a then inferior team. Ignore him at your peril.
a lot of players warm up seeing how injured players feel. Rempe warmed up for game 6 too.
Rempe, Chytil, Jones and Lindgren all on ice for warm ups.
@BillPriceNHL
As expected, Filip Chytil is back in the lineup for the Rangers. Rempe, Brodzinski and Wheeler healthy scratches.
#LGR
Florida Panthers vs New York Rangers - 8:20 pm ET start - ECF: Game 1 - ESPN (strfish.xyz) - ( New Window )
Yep, didn't look like a particularly tough shot, unless it got deflected or something.
These kittens don’t scare me
LGR
DESTROY THESE FUCKS
Stick not worried about these Florida men
NYR outhitting FLA 19-17 in the game.
Hope so, otherwise if the Panthers go up 2-0 it may be too much a hole to climb out out with their lack of scoring chances tonight.
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And it's killing them
NYR outhitting FLA 19-17 in the game.
Yet FLA is dancing in the offensive zone
We’ve had multiple odd man rushes, including multiple breakaways, and this dirtbag team FINALLY put our lethal Pp on the ice
We’re winning this game….
We need to establish a physical presence in offensive zone.
How about some third period magic
Colin Stephenson
@ColinSNewsday
Still 1-0, FLA after 2. #NYR have 34 seconds of PP time to start the 3rd period. SOG 18-11, FLA. Per @NatStatTrick
, scoring chances 17-15, FLA, HD chances 6-4, Rangers. FLA has won 21-of-35 FOs. Chytil (6:39) second-least TOI for Rangers (Cuylle, 5:11). Fox (15:14) the most.
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@ColinSNewsday
Hits 19-17, Rangers.
Also, 1 PP so far? I guess that's the issue with living and dying by the PP. I don't even feel like the refs have swallowed the whistle, it just feels like a clean game, which works against us. Unlike Carolina who were tripping rangers left and right and had too many men on the ice multiple times without getting called for it
THE
FUCKING
PUCK
Full expect to lose you
Good call
Unbelievable. How many near misses in this game?
This is a winnable game. Cmon.
Freddy Anderson says hi.
He has, but the score should be 0-0
Felt like a win when we managed to get it to the red line
Have to find some jump before Friday
Shesty fucked up, but the actual goal is no one’s fault but Laffy.
Meanwhile Adam Fox looks awful physically.
Maloney saying this again. Says Igor totally misplayed the puck.
I’m on radio so can’t opine.
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He has, but the score should be 0-0
Correct
Gotta rebound next game.
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That’s how Maloney saw it.
Maloney saying this again. Says Igor totally misplayed the puck.
I’m on radio so can’t opine.
Both Laf and Shesty went for the poke. Shesty probably should have just stood his ground. Also, Shesty turned the puck over on a terrible clear he didn't have to make. Just a bad play all around, indicative of how the whole tram played most of the night
Better win on Friday or risk getting Carolinaed in Game 3.
I know the usual Chicken Little crew is going to wail over this one, but neither team played particularly well IMO. Both goals were weak.
Agreed. NYR lost that game, FL didn't win it. They outshotvus by just 3 though you'd think listening to ESPN it was 50-10. The Rangers looked rusty. It's that simple.
Adam Fox definitely injured. Also probably Lindgren.
Give props to Bob who was terrific in goal.
florida LUCKY to win?!
they put on a fucking CLINIC on forechecking. the rangers had a ton of turnovers in their own zone and were suffocated. They had very few opportunities especially early one.
Florida forecheck is dominant... rangers have to find ways to skate or pass out of it or they wont win the series. Rangers did NOT deserve to win tonight. floridas dept hwas also so obvious. they wore the rangers down and late in game seemed to have better legs.
friday is a big one. if rangers dont win, thats not end of world but they need to have a better showing getting out of the forecheck.
Adam Fox definitely injured. Also probably Lindgren.
Give props to Bob who was terrific in goal.
Something is wrong. Neither are playing ti their level. I agree it may be time to shake up the D and get Jones in there.
You mean, other than multiple breakaways they didn't convert and multiple posts hit?
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They had very few opportunities especially early one.
You mean, other than multiple breakaways they didn't convert and multiple posts hit?
schneider isnt a goal scorer and he hit a pipe... it happens...
they had like 10 shots through 2 periods... most of their shots came at the end in desperation time.
if you think this was a well played game, im not sure what to say... there were SEVERAL sequences where rangers couldnt get puck across center ice...
back at it friday... gotta play better versus forecheck
florida LUCKY to win?!
they put on a fucking CLINIC on forechecking. the rangers had a ton of turnovers in their own zone and were suffocated. They had very few opportunities especially early one.
I believe the Rangers were sloppy and at times lazy against the forecheck. FL ended up with zero goals off their forecheck despite the ozone time. The Rangers turned it over unforced time and time again when they had room to skate or look for an outlet. I believe this game was lost by the Rangers being sloppy. Not because of anything great that FL did.
Florida forecheck is dominant... rangers have to find ways to skate or pass out of it or they wont win the series. Rangers did NOT deserve to win tonight. floridas dept hwas also so obvious. they wore the rangers down and late in game seemed to have better legs.
friday is a big one. if rangers dont win, thats not end of world but they need to have a better showing getting out of the forecheck.
Adam Fox definitely injured. Also probably Lindgren.
Give props to Bob who was terrific in goal.
Fox looks slower than molasses, not that he’s exactly Makar skating to begin with.
I don’t get the thing we saw frequently tonight when a Rangers defenseman has time and space in his own zone, holds the puck for an eternity before the forecheck comes, then proceeds to shit his pants.
Whatever. Get back at it on Friday
i think youre downplaying the florida forecheck and it seems the rangers did too. they were not ready for it. florida is a big team too so they wore us down...
need to adjust friday
That home ice surely paid off tonight
ESPN was making it sound like Florida was dominant. I didn't see it that way. Maybe they had some edges in territory and shot volume, but we can win games like that. We could've won tonight.
This is two good teams. We'll see how it develops buy it looks pretty even to me. There will be some tossup games in a tossup series. We lost one, which is bad, but we are good and we can win.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Cuylle back to 3rd line
Rempe to 4th line
Sit Roslovic.
Yeah, that was dumb. All things considered I thought Kakko got a pretty good shot off, but he's not Ovechkin, and you're setting him up for an awfully low percentage shot at that angle.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
Overall - Florida played a sound game, credit to them. Disappointing that the Rangers didn't come out with some more jump. On the other hand, it's somewhat encouraging that the played a "C" game and that it could easily have been 0-0 late in the third period.
Hopefully they have some great video sessions today. After playing 6 straight against a system as unique as Carolina, it was pretty clear that the rangers were tactically stuck in first gear trying to get through the neutral zone.
One thing that really frustrated the shit out of me -- Igor needs to stay between the fucking pipes. He was an absolute idiot with the puck on his stick last night. Not just on the Laf own-goal (which was 100% Igor's fault). Numerous times in the first and second periods as well.
I also wanted to lose my mind when Gustafsson was driving the net with the puck and very little resistance, and made a pass to a player (I think it was Kakko) further away from the goal than he was and at an awful angle. Shoot the damned puck!
Jones needs to be inserted, in this series especially. Rangers need a good puck moving defenseman. If it's Fox coming out because he's not 100% or Gus, because he isn't that good, they need someone who can carry it out.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
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I don't think I've seen a goal on home ice in the playoffs since Stepan's game winner against Washington in 2015.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
Yes, the frequency of home shutout losses in the playoffs by this team is alarming and usually a staple of a series loss. Hopefully they can recover from this one. Luckily it's game 1 and not game 5 or 7.
They lost 3-0 in '97 to the Panthers and rolled off four straight.
Gretzky just needs to get a hat trick again.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
I appreciate the role he played this year, and he was a beast in the first ~third of the season, but I am ready for Jones to step into a full-time role.
Hopefully many weeks from now and after raising a trophy, the conversations around the defensemen broadly are going to be interesting.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
This is a coinflip series. Losing the first coinflip sucks.
Speaking of said breakaways, can this team ever freaking score on one? I know during the regular season they had the lowest breakaway goal percentage in the league by a pretty substantial margin. I know it was Schneider and Cuylle on the breakaway chances, but this has been maddening all season long that they just never seem to score on breakaways.
They stayed out of the box (mostly).
They fore checked and controlled zone time
Bobrovsky came up huge on the Rangers high danger chances
And it took a softie and own goal for them to win.
I wouldn't worry.
Someone posted above Fox was playing with a separated shoulder. And I had been interested in that theory because I can't recall him shooting much since the game where the injury allegedly occurred. He let one rip on the PP in the 3rd. He doesn't have a separated shoulder IMO. No way he could do that if he did. It's a LBI IMO. He was a menace on the shot block though but that's really all he did.
I do think if this is all you get from Roslovic I agree with others, he could be watching from the press box. I did not think Chytil was invisible, like some others did, he and Panarin the only forwards who really carried the puck through the neutral zone which is how you need to beat FLA.
I have been against playing Rempe, I think the Panthers will expose him more than be intimidated by him, but if that's all you get from Roslovic then Rempe's positives outweigh his negatives. I doubt Lavy sits Roslovic though. But I could see the lineup change someone above proposed - Chytil on RW1 and Rempe on RW4 and Roslovic to the bench. And Roslovic wasn't the worst forward, so I don't mean to single him out, it's just he plays on a line with Mika and Kreider.
Bottom line if the Rangers scored on a fraction of their high danger chances they win the game. I wouldn't panic, but could see a lineup tweak.
Also, Sasha Barkov is so good. When they talk Selke award this is it, the cliched "200 foot game" so much like Bergeron, but Barkov is a better scorer/skill player. Bergeron a little more physical.
Game score for those interested.
His lack of movement was very noticeable
Just my opinion!!!!
I have been a big supporter and believer in Zac Jones all season.
It’s time to play him.
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Rangers ended up with far more quality chances, despite the low shot total. Florida really didn't generate much, and their two goals were weak. So on one hand, that's encouraging, bury a few of those quality chances and it's a different game.
What worries me though is our defensemen continue to really struggle dealing with a strong forecheck, puck retrievals, and zone exits. It's an absolute panic most of the time, just finding any way to flip it out of zone (and the one guy you'd trust to make plays with the puck is obviously injured). Impossible to generate consistent offense this way. We need speed through the neutral zone with possession. We're not a dump and chase team.
It can't just be about survival in the D zone at all times. Have to take some chances to exit with possession and know you've got Igor back there to clean up chances if you do turn it over. Florida is perfectly happy to play a "low event" type of game, pressure our defensemen, and pinch their D hard at the blue line to keep the cycle going. By the time we get it out we need to change the line. We need to find ways to open it up. And no, Rempe's five minutes a night is not the solution to what went on last night. Come on
Seems like they know they didn't get pucks behind the way Florida was doing to them. The intent seemed like it was there, but the rangers D-men were playing so damned timid at the blue line that it was easy for Florida to exit and get through the NZ. NYR were not playing as a unit of 5 AT ALL in the OZ. They were either too late or too timid all night.
Yeah agreed. Was far too easy for Florida to exit our zone. Thought we just looked unsure and skittish overall. A few good spurts of play, the start of the second period and the Wennberg chance in the third into the PP, were interrupted by silly mistakes that killed momentum. Roslovic high stick and Igor playing the puck before the own goal. Just a strange start to the series from our team, but some credit is due to Florida for sure.
Kreider did talk about the ice being pretty bad. There were uncharacteristic fumbles of the puck all night. Could have been a factor and that's tougher when you're trying to come back instead of playing a simple game with the lead like Florida was able to.
I was there for both shutouts in the ECF and the Pittsburgh shut out in 2016.
I went to 13 Rangers games this year, the Rangers won all 13.
Lol and oh yeah, home ice advantage.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
How about scoring more than 0 goals?
Giveaways - 2
Takeaways - 2
Rangers:
Giveaways - 12
Takeaways - 6
I don’t think there’s any way Zac Jones will be put in the lineup. However, I think there will be changes with the forwards.
Fox is killing them. God, that sucks. Scummy ass Caps and shitbag Nick Jensen.
Don't need Rempe, need our guys to move the fucking puck
Why lol
1. Forecheck, it's Rempe's skill (besides fighting which you don't need)
2. Net front presence. Bobrovsky can be knocked off his game (not physically) and he does this thing I noticed lately where he drops his stick. Hank talked about it during the Bruins series. Maybe CHP knows why but it happened last night at least once. Hank said something to do with stopping/corralling a loose puck with your blocker hand. In the Bruins series he lost his stick like 5 times one game.
There was not much traffic in front of Bobrovsky last night for the most part. Every game I see Rempe play he's camped out in front of the crease.
That's the kind of greasy play the Rangers will need if FLA stays disciplined and doesn't take penalties and Rangers can't capitalize on their chances.
it's all related though - you can't have greasy plays without the puck and you are less likely to draw penalties without the puck.
Most penalties occur when one player is trying to get the puck from another player. the other team commits penalties trying to get it, high sticks, hooks, trips, boarding, etc. almost all happen trying to separate the puck from someone. So, the Rangers need the puck more.
I like Rempe, but there is some misplaced inflating of his overall impact.
They were not beat by being out-muscled or roughed up.
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
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I also think he is a liability on defense
If he breathes on a Panther it’s a penalty
I agree with this. For all his size, I don't think he has a big impact defensively. I agree that the way officials call the game with him in, he becomes a liability in his limited ice time. There is a real problem with the way the league is treating him based on nothing more than size.
He screens the goalie, he also gets in and leans on opponents while on the forecheck? Who did that last night? No one. Yes, the Rangers were able to exploit the Panthers aggressive defense with odd man break outs. But that can't be the main way they create offense. They need puck possession in the opponents zone. This series is going to require them to get physical for puck possession and winning one on one battles.
I need a reason to believe.
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time
Link - ( New Window )
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
I expect us to look better and win tomorrow
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
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For the knowledgeable hockey fans, in your opinions is this as dire as it looked last night?
I need a reason to believe.
To boost your optimism, see the link. Expected goals aren't final say on who played better, but I do like to look at them to just get a sense for who had the better chances.
Rangers had the better total xG 2.68 -2.14 and that is including the Panthers empty netter which is about a half goal boost. At 5v5 it was Rangers 1.71 to 1.54.
Rangers didn't generate a ton of quantity but they did still get quality looks and also kept Florida's opportunities down despite more offensive zone time Link - ( New Window )
thanks Kyle
In the case of last night, it was 2 missed breakaways, a couple of pipes, and a couple of shots that were just plain air-mailed.
On the other end, it was a bad read on the "real" goal and a Keystone Cops moment caused by Igor outside of the crease.
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I think Rempe is a better hockey player than people think, but we can't risk having him on the ice given the refs want to call everything on him.
BTW, I didn't think the refs called a great game last night, but how are they seemingly constantly in the way?
He's not IMO (better than people think), but I think he can be. Only is the playoffs the right time to get him the experience? He gets lost in the D-zone and on breakouts and the Rangers struggled with both of those with more experienced players and I don't think he is an upgrade in those areas. There is a reason when he's active the coaches don't play much or in the 3rd period of close games. it's not because they underestimate how good he is, it's because they don't trust him in those situations. Don't you agree?
To play devil's advocate, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, his strong points are things the Rangers also struggled with, so do his risks outweigh the potential positive? I don't know.
I think the penalty thing is a little overblown. he got like one or two penalties for being the size he is and one was probably completely unwarranted. I believe he only had 6 minor penalties (granted in limited min and he's probably averaging 60 PIMs per 60 MIN played, lol, but that's skewed due to the majors).
I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
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I don't always trust coaches (Kakko's usage is very dumb, for example), but sort of agree. I hear you, but I think some make him out to be just a goon. He isn't John Scott.
Does seem like an unlikely future all-star game MVP.
LOL
He's raw.
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To have our #1 defenseman healthy for ONE FRIGGIN PLAYOFF RUN. I swear, Rosival might have been the last one not to be hobbled by the end of Round 1.
Fox this year and the last, McDonagh and his broken foot.
It is my biggest worry with this team. A #1, all-scenarios defenseman is maybe the most important piece to a Stanley Cup roster. Hedman, Keith, Doughty, Pietrangelo, Makar... I don't recall them playing through debilitating injury. So damn frustrating as a fan.
How about scoring more than 0 goals?
Duh doy. Adam Fox with two functional legs would presumably help the team do that.