I find it incredibly boring. The lack of excitement is brutal.
Announcers don't make the game but the calls can certainly add to it.
Not that it means anything and I'm not a hater. Just an observation where the soft voice doesn't work at all for me. Especially in the playoffs.
No. It's not. It's just boring.
Now she does interviews from behind the bench LOL.
Also - ESPNs audio mixing is terrible. Its been that way for every sport. I always noticed for instance if the Giants were on ESPN it sounded like no crowd was there. You can especially tell with the Knicks/rangers in the playoffs. They do an awful job of picking up stadium noise.
You can tell there are moments where Breen is intentionally trying to get something from either of them and it's just silence.
It does seem like Dorris is intentionally trying to dial it back. But now it's to the point where she barely says anything.
The majority of men who do the color commentary are unbearable.
The majority of men who do the color commentary are unbearable.
That's the thing. We have ripped on men sports commentators since the dawn of time without thinking of it.
Someone doesn't like a particular woman announcer?and it's a big deal? Eh. That's life.
I don’t know what’s funnier - this post, or the pearl clutching in response.
Oh, and it's not pearl clutching - it's pointing out stupidity and bigotry - in part because it's not ripping on individual announcers, it's painting with a ridiculously wide brush.
Mostly, it's pathetic.
Agree. Fun personality and knows the game.
I personally really like Doris Burke too. She really knows her shit.
On the flip side, I don't like Suzyn Waldman. I find her color commentary to be pretty inane. I don't find her insights to be anything better than the average fan and she has a voice best suited for print journalism.
Haha, +1. I loved him as a Knick but man, I'd rather listen to Reggie fucking Miller than him in a game. Terrible.
Some over-talk (like AJ), but that's not unique to the women, so many men announcers do it too. you need a real pro to be confident letting the moment do the talking.
I do think the format is a little too formulaic though - make it more natural. Most fans don't care about the gender of who describes the game for them as long as they do it well.
This is satire, right?
Please?
I do find it interesting, though, that such an unaccomplished female athlete so quickly ascended in broadcasting. That said, I think she deserves it, so maybe not so crazy.
I don't have a problem with female announcers, per se. What I do have a problem with is, and this is especially in football, when they get sideline gigs clearly for nothing more than looks. If they offer nothing to the broadcast, then skip them.
Mercy
I would rather listen to men call the games or talk sports in general. There are some great female studio hosts especially Rebecca Lowe covering the EPL for NBC. She's one of the best in the business regardless of gender.
I like the old school hosts like Hannah Storm and Linda Cohn but again that's more of a generational thing than a gender one. Probably because I'm getting old.
I would rather listen to men call the games or talk sports in general. There are some great female studio hosts especially Rebecca Lowe covering the EPL for NBC. She's one of the best in the business regardless of gender.
I like the old school hosts like Hannah Storm and Linda Cohn but again that's more of a generational thing than a gender one. Probably because I'm getting old.
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Agree. Fun personality and knows the game.
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We'll see how she is as a mentor, though. She is very close with Meredith Marakovits, whoseems to be one of the people potentially in line to fill in for Suzyn and ultimately replace her, as she did last weekend. I didn't get to hear her broadcast, though.
Anecdotally, I find most are not. But, I think it's the wrong women chosen for the wrong reasons most of the time.
What percentage of male commentators do you find good at their job?
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It's almost as if some women are good at it, and some not. Kind of like how some men are good at it, and some not?
Anecdotally, I find most are not. But, I think it's the wrong women chosen for the wrong reasons most of the time.
What percentage of male commentators do you find good at their job?
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It's almost as if some women are good at it, and some not. Kind of like how some men are good at it, and some not?
Anecdotally, I find most are not. But, I think it's the wrong women chosen for the wrong reasons most of the time.
What percentage of male commentators do you find good at their job?
Good question. Not overwhelming, but I think more because I don't think most of them are being hired for their looks. Also, more often than not, in the booth, the color-men/analysts are often former players or coaches, who offer a unique insight, which most of the females counterparts do not. At least not in football and in baseball, the softball experience isn't the same thing.
If the decision is Doris Burke vs. Mark Jackson, it's Burke by a mile. The guy who she replaced is terrible.
The reason I ask about male commentators, is my sense is fans just don't like a lot of the people who do that job.
If the decision is Doris Burke vs. Mark Jackson, it's Burke by a mile. The guy who she replaced is terrible.
The reason I ask about male commentators, is my sense is fans just don't like a lot of the people who do that job.
If the decision is Doris Burke vs. Mark Jackson, it's Burke by a mile. The guy who she replaced is terrible.
The reason I ask about male commentators, is my sense is fans just don't like a lot of the people who do that job.
I don't disagree on Jackson. The problem is I just don't like Burke either. Never have.
Would it be fair to say you don't like Jackson nor Burke, because they are bad commentators, and not because of their gender?
I don't think it's a men versus woman thing, I think like anything else it's just a matter of talent. Doris knows basketball, but is brutally boring to listen to.
I think it was ABC one year had free online streaming of MNF games where you could control the camera you were watching from and could toggle the announcer/color guy off. It was a sublime home viewing experience.
It's one of the reasons I like going to local college football games. Avoid the hassle of NFL games and watch a game with perfect picture and no one telling me what I just saw every play.
It just sounds kind of annoying to me.
When I'm watching a cooking show, however, I'm hanging on every word! 😂 day
Pure entertainment .... but a reminder how the "isms" live and thrive ...
Wah. Someone started a thread and then people discussed the topic. Did that make you sad?
The fact that a bunch of us like Monica McNutt does not qualify as white knighting.
I met and hung out with both Monica McNutt and Kazeem Famuyide at an event a couple years back. Both were really cool people. I'm definitely a fan of her as an announcer too.
I don't like Doris Burke honestly but I don't like most male announcers either. There are some great ones like Breen/Harlan but most of them are annoying.
I don't like Doris Burke honestly but I don't like most male announcers either. There are some great ones like Breen/Harlan but most of them are annoying.
I'm right there with you. There are good and bad male and female announcers.
You can tell there are moments where Breen is intentionally trying to get something from either of them and it's just silence.
It does seem like Dorris is intentionally trying to dial it back. But now it's to the point where she barely says anything.
And for me that is a very, very welcome circumstance. The play is the game, not the sound.
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I'm not a big fan of generalizing, so I'm more comfortable judging on a case-by-case basis.
If the decision is Doris Burke vs. Mark Jackson, it's Burke by a mile. The guy who she replaced is terrible.
The reason I ask about male commentators, is my sense is fans just don't like a lot of the people who do that job.
I don't disagree on Jackson. The problem is I just don't like Burke either. Never have.
Would it be fair to say you don't like Jackson nor Burke, because they are bad commentators, and not because of their gender?
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Agree. Fun personality and knows the game.
I personally really like Doris Burke too. She really knows her shit.
On the flip side, I don't like Suzyn Waldman. I find her color commentary to be pretty inane. I don't find her insights to be anything better than the average fan and she has a voice best suited for print journalism. [/quote
Hmmm, it's almost like each announcer needs to be judged on their own individual merits and not lumped into a bucket the size of 51% of the population. What the hell are we doing here?
My wife couldn’t care less about who’s announcing, she just wants me to shut up during games so I stop scaring the dog.
I did see that one viral baseball clip where the woman butchered it. I think its fair to say the depth of talent is not there relative to men, but that being said I really dont like RJ and its not like Reggie Miller sees the game all that deeply. Even JVG who I loved seems to be disliked by most.
I find it hard to not reflexively think they suck, and also hard not to grade them on a curve when I think theyre good. It'll probably take a legitimately awesome female announcer to change things.
Hope this link works…here’s Monica McNutt
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Does anyone want the Tony Romo of basketball?
Posting this link again - Monica is almost as great Clyde himself
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This thread is wow.
Pure entertainment .... but a reminder how the "isms" live and thrive ...
You want pure entertainment, listen to women talk about other women. Hehe. Cats and cats.
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This thread is wow.
Pure entertainment .... but a reminder how the "isms" live and thrive ...
You want pure entertainment, listen to women talk about other women. Hehe. Cats and cats.
that’s hysterical
Don't the Knicks have his "early bird" rights, which will make it a ... I don't wanna say a slam dunk he'll return, but he stands to just about double his salary.
With regard to Monica, it's been fun watching her role increase the past few years with the Knicks broadcasts and beyond. She played at a high level, and really knows the game. You can also tell that she has a great rapport with Wally, Alan Hahn and Billy Pidto.
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has come up a couple of times on the Knick threads and she has and almost 100% approval rating. People really seem to like her.
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That whole call is fantastic. Her face ... LOL Love that she's a big fan, too. Makes it more fun. Like Breen, Clyde, and the guys in the Mets booth.
Don't the Knicks have his "early bird" rights, which will make it a ... I don't wanna say a slam dunk he'll return, but he stands to just about double his salary.
With regard to Monica, it's been fun watching her role increase the past few years with the Knicks broadcasts and beyond. She played at a high level, and really knows the game. You can also tell that she has a great rapport with Wally, Alan Hahn and Billy Pidto.
Burke is not wrong about that. Early bird rights limit how much the Knicks can match without using cap room. If a suitor exceeds that, the Knicks are in a pickle if they want to keep him.
I believe Meredith will eventually get some run in the booth and I think she deserves it. You can tell she knows her baseball and the Yankees.
My main gripe with announcers is Michael Kay. He strikes me as a good guy and obviously a huge Yankees fan, but I think Ruocco is just miles better.
Flaherty and Marakovits are human melatonin; they could put anyone to sleep. Waldman was a baseball cliche machine.
I like Doc too.
Mercy
Monica is awesome.
She'd talk as if she was this big football expert to everyone but screwed up so much shit and got a lot of it wrong. She was a joke ... As is Paul Dottino or whatever his name is.
I met Kim Jones a couple of times and she's super nice. Felt as if I was talking to a normal person and not some weird arrogant radio personality.
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Monica McNutt is a real name ???
Mercy
Monica is awesome.
Monica was 2nd team All Big East at Georgetown, so she played the game - then she got her masters in journalism at U of Maryland, so she has chops there too.
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for example, she talks in theory well, but I noticed when she'd call the Knicks, she was really very much on the surface and a few times said things that made me say, "What?" One example I can specifically remember ... she said of Hartenstein once, when he was having a solid game, something along the lines of "the Knicks will have trouble keeping Hartenstein on their roster next year."
Don't the Knicks have his "early bird" rights, which will make it a ... I don't wanna say a slam dunk he'll return, but he stands to just about double his salary.
As usual, everyone else is right and BEEZ is wrong. Knicks can only offer him 4 years 72.5 mil with built in raises, I Believe 8%. They can't exceed this but they can exceed the cap. I have read that they can offer him a one year deal to get his full Bird rights and then a larger deal. I don't know if that's true or not, but I defer to someone other than BEEZ.