I'm hoping the OT loss after playing virtually the whole game in the Rangers end takes the steam out of the Panthers. If they come out flat, it will be the Rangers game for the taking. If they are even more determined then they're probably going back to MSG all even.
It looks to me that whoever wins this series takes the Cup. Nothing against Dallas or Edmonton, but these two teams seem to me to be the favorites.
but the Rangers were outplayed in the last game except for Igor. If he has less than stellar games coming up I don’t see us winning another game. Our finesse stars have been in the witness protection program and Florida seems to be waiting for every break out pass that undoubtedly goes to the points causing turnovers and way too much defensive zone time to protect. I hope I’m wrong and our stars begin to get their noses dirty instead of looking like they’re in the Ice Capades
But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
agree guys, take advantage of the stolen game by winning this one.
But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
Whichever of these two win this series will prolly win the Cup.
if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
Trouba needs to stop these boneheaded, reckless plays and stay out of
if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.
As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
RE: Trouba needs to stop these boneheaded, reckless plays and stay out of
has to step up his game. Those blind passes around the board wind up on the sticks of Panther defensemen. This leads to point shots which have resulted in Panther goals.
if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.
As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
Typical. 6 penalties taken but the Rangers but Rempe's is the only one mentioned. Rempe is fulfilling his role, forechecking, hitting, making traffic in front like on Goodrow's first goal. Most of the Top 6 are not. THEY (Artemy "soft as wonder Bread" Panarin, Mika, Kreider) are the problem. Laf and Trocheck are the only ones who don't look intimidated.
too many of our top players have been not been performing. When I saw Wennberg's speech when he got the hat, it seemed like he was pretty embarrassed by the way they performed. I am looking for a spirited effort tonight.
P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.
if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.
As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
Typical. 6 penalties taken but the Rangers but Rempe's is the only one mentioned. Rempe is fulfilling his role, forechecking, hitting, making traffic in front like on Goodrow's first goal. Most of the Top 6 are not. THEY (Artemy "soft as wonder Bread" Panarin, Mika, Kreider) are the problem. Laf and Trocheck are the only ones who don't look intimidated.
IT's not the only one mentioned. Trouba, for example, is getting plenty of attention. But, there was a conversation specific to Rempe and his penalty could 100% have been avoided. That's the kind of penalty that plays right into their hands. They want to goad their opponents into taking penalties like that out of frustration and then going on the PP.
Laviolette has not typically strayed from a lineup after a win, but it is definitely possible that Rempe sits in favor of Wheeler tonight. If that happened, the lineup could be drastically changed. Would Wheeler go back to 1RW? Or would they go back to Roslovic on the top line, or stick with Chytil? Then what does the 4th line look like with no Vesey or Rempe? My guess is we won't know what the lines look like until pregame, but I can see Laviolette shaking some things up tonight the way the majority of game 3 went.
RE: I have a feeling we are going to get a good game tonight
P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.
The Rempe Effect is real, man. IDK what it is, but look at their record when he's in the lineup.
I think at this point, he'll only get taken out if/when Wheeler is ready to go. I think they're going to try to do everything they can to pull Zibanejad and Kreider out of their collective asses.
The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.
Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?
Florida went to Alex Lyon to start the playoffs, but when he had a hiccup, they went back to Bobrovsky who was pretty much lights out the rest of the way until the Cup Final. He is a Vezina finalist this year and until game 3, he had 7 games in a row giving up 2 or fewer goals. He's been quite enigmatic and largely disappointing since signing the huge contract in 2019 in terms of looking at his contract from a big picture, but starting with last year's playoffs through now, Bobrovsky is one of the top 5 goalies in the league.
RE: RE: I have a feeling we are going to get a good game tonight
P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.
The Rempe Effect is real, man. IDK what it is, but look at their record when he's in the lineup.
I think at this point, he'll only get taken out if/when Wheeler is ready to go. I think they're going to try to do everything they can to pull Zibanejad and Kreider out of their collective asses.
Damn right it is. He should be getting 2 shifts a period with the 4th line at minimum. They get the puck deep and bang the Cats around. And FLA has become very chippy as the series has progressed. The Rangers have been just taking it.
The attached article is their bigger problem. The big boys aren't producing.
The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.
Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?
Florida went to Alex Lyon to start the playoffs, but when he had a hiccup, they went back to Bobrovsky who was pretty much lights out the rest of the way until the Cup Final. He is a Vezina finalist this year and until game 3, he had 7 games in a row giving up 2 or fewer goals. He's been quite enigmatic and largely disappointing since signing the huge contract in 2019 in terms of looking at his contract from a big picture, but starting with last year's playoffs through now, Bobrovsky is one of the top 5 goalies in the league.
Fair enough, but the Rangers have still got the edge in net.
Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.
SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.
As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.
Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.
SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.
As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.
Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
Exactly. For all the criticism coming out now because they had a tough series against Carolina and now Florida, has everyone forgotten the regular season. This Rangers team played like this all year long. They routinely had to comeback late in games. They routinely played tight games. Igor routinely had to stand on his head for 3rd period barrages. They routinely won on nights they didn't have their best games by playing gritty and taking advantage of opportunities. They routinely got ST goals. This has been their MO all year long. Plus, Carolina and Florida are probably their stiffest competition all year long.
if NYR can control the flow or dictate play just a little bit more than last game or closer to 50% of the time and they shoot the puck on net they will find themselves with a 3-1 lead in the game and a 3-1 lead in the series.
Play a near carbon copy of game 2. Get the puck on net you don't need to setup the most amazing sequence of passes to beat this guy in net. He's average. LFG.
They've got to be pretty frustrated. They are looking for things to tweak and there aren't any. The Rangers go in knowing exactly how Florida will play.
Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.
SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.
As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.
Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
The Rangers, Hurricanes, and Panthers are all roughly equivalent caliber teams--but the Rangers have won every OT. That's a bit lucky.
The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
- first, as a holdover from Friday's game, I posted that Lonberg's 'looked like a head shot' when he knocked Vesey out of the game (week to week, I suspect it's not a shoulder but concussion). Our acknowledged and clearcut hockey savant (in full agreement) and his running dog Anakim (:> said it was clear that it was NOT a headshot.
What do you see here thread vets?
the Rempe effect is real, even if his actual TOI is discounted to game impact. As teams were exiting ice after Wennberg's OT winner, Tkachuk and another Panther poked and prodded him with their sticks, he didn't take the bait and then linesmen intervened (surprised Sutherland didn't hand him a GMisconduct for tonight). He's in their heads, just like Panthers are hunting high, such as these:
I think Maurice doubles down on FLA heavy forecheck, intimidation game because directly or indirectly it has completely taken the 'first' line and Panarin out of the game. Why would he change anything? Zib has that haunted, hangdog look on the bench and Fast Eddie (agree w/your post) went w/ my months' old Ice Capades meme for CK (:>
Rangers' d-men have to be much quicker getting the pucks off their sticks and by that I don't mean mindlessly trying to clear up along the wall. Collectively Sunday, they gave a poor account of themselves and the absence of the backcheck by the usual suspects is not making it any easier.
The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.
I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.
That damned goal turned the entire series. The Rangers would have gone into the third period up 3-1 in the game. Winning that game would put them up 3-1 in the series, heading back to MSG with a chance to close out the series.
Instead, Francis takes a shot from center ice with six seconds left in the period, it takes a goofy bounce and goes over Richter's shoulder, and the Pens suddenly had new life. Win that game in OT and the next two games after it. That was as bitter a loss as I've ever experienced.
Only trusted him 4 minutes the last game. That's no trust at all.
I wonder if Lav has considered moving Goodrow to the top line. He's red hot and can take pressure off of Zib by taking faceoffs.
Agreed. I can see him back in the lineup in game 5 where Lavi can control the matchups better with last change. But I'm not sure we see him again tonight in Florida. The question is, if he comes out...do we see Brodzinski or Wheeler? My vote is Wheeler. Brodzinski has been invisible in the playoff games he's played. Maybe Wheeler can provide a small jolt to the lineup. You know his teammates would be pumped after what he went through with the bad leg injury. Not to mention Wheeler has never won a cup having played nearly 1200 games in regular season over 16 seasons.
it's a shoulder to shoulder hit. Dirty? Late? whatever else is not in debate, but it was not a head shot.
Lomberg is 5' 9" (with skates on) and Vesey is 6' 3" even leaning it would be a neat trick for Lomberg's shoulder to connect with Vesey's head. The league reviews all head shots. Trouba was fined for his elbow. Was Lomberg fined?
No? Know why? It wasn't a head shot.
I don't know that putting a glacially slow guy into the lineup
I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.
That damned goal turned the entire series. The Rangers would have gone into the third period up 3-1 in the game. Winning that game would put them up 3-1 in the series, heading back to MSG with a chance to close out the series.
Instead, Francis takes a shot from center ice with six seconds left in the period, it takes a goofy bounce and goes over Richter's shoulder, and the Pens suddenly had new life. Win that game in OT and the next two games after it. That was as bitter a loss as I've ever experienced.
Yup. Horrible memory. That building was silent, that "why not" went in and they're all screaming 1940. I questioned if I would ever see them win it after that series.
but entirely too much was made of the Trouba hit. Call on the ice was right, no argument and I'm not going to say it was clean.
Fine feels a little excessive, but it's not my money and I really don't give a shit.
The rear and shows that the contact was pretty clearly not to the head, and the theatrics from Rodrigues were utterly ridiculous. Hardly missed a shift.
The twitter reactions and the stuff from guys like Subban (of all fucking people) are ridiculous.
Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
Channeling our inner 1993 Montreal Canadians cup run.
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Take a team (Montreal) winning 10 consecutive overtime games in one post-season, for instance. While skeptics’ hands were likely growing callused from raising red flags over the Canadiens’ credibility, mine were clapping louder and louder with every extra-time win, each victory confirming the unassailable logic that Forum ghosts could always be counted on to deliver the goods. Storming back to win four straight against the Nordiques after falling behind 2–0 in the series? Sure thing. Three of four wins in a sweep of Buffalo coming in OT? Sounds about right.
The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Question - does anyone watch the playoffs with the sound off?
The issue is the Panthers do them too. They just don’t get called. Is BS. Along w their making the best use of their SAG cards acting and laying paying on the ice then not missing a single shift
But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
I get what you're saying, but NYR was blown off the fucking ice last game.
RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
RE: RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
Thank you. And Messier LOVES him. Good enough for me.
The Panthers need to start getting called for diving
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
That was the year Lemieux was sick with cancer if I recall.
The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe has some negatives for sure, but speed isn't one of them. Kid is FAST.
Rangers will see the full force of Panthers physical play tonight
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
They have missed a few but that goes both ways. Florida just plays a much heavier game.
I will say that the Romberg video shown above looks more egregious than any of the other angles i saw on TV.
As to Rempe, I love the kids enthusiasm but playing him in away games does not work. And if he is only playing 4 minutes, it definitely does not work. Play him at home when you control the matchups.
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even
...Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
He's definitely not slow, but it does take him a few strides to get those long legs going. When they do, he covers a lot of ice...fast. It's unmistakeable. True he's not reading opponents' transitions well at this point, but he more than most on team can recover ground.
Wheeler? Wheeler? Buehler? Why are we talking about him. He was quite cooked before the injury. As said last week, I think he played RW1 for ~ 20 games before notching a goal, and it was an empty net, keeper drawn out wide near post.
called series.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Well, you do have a dog, a +1500 dog (:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Vesey because to me the video is pretty clear.
Called fairly? "Fair" has broad parameters, maybe refs have not been egregious. But even rules expert Jackson fumfered on the whistle that stopped a Rangers 3 on 2 in its tracks because Bennett (?) fell to the ice after a check holding his hand? wtf and upper body injury not even in question. Best he could do is say refs sometimes get it wrong.
How, pj, in what world is there officiating risk in letting the rush play out where it was clear beyond doubt that Bennett was not going to impact play one way or the other? He was by that point 40' behind. He wasn't gushing blood. He wasn't prone and comatose.
Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
Yep I hear you. Patrick Roy was ridiculous for the habs in that run. Beyond ridiculous. For a legendary career this was Roy’s signature moment, in my view.
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving
and thought the Panthers player was in distress. It is unusual for hockey, you usually need to be leaking or not moving for the refs to blow the whistle if your team doesn't have the puck and even then if you're leaking needs to be severe not just your average lost a bunch of chiclets scenario.
it was a mistake, but (from memory so I could be wrong) the puck was still on the Panthers side of the red line, so it was a potential odd-man rush, but not quite as egregious as some fans make it.
RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
I've just never seen a whistle that quick in such a scenario
Because it gives every incentive possible for players to dive when the puck goes the other way. If there's a potential odd man rush, they always let that play out and then, if the player remains on the ice, blow the whistle afterwards.
RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
Is the word on Vesey a head (or rather "upper body") injury?
the official word is week to week with an upper body injury
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
Have you noticed how they've gone after the Rangers in goal celebrations? Tkahcuk tried to bait Rempe after Wennberg's OT winner on Sunday. I think Rempe might have chirped at him, but still. The refs had to get in front of Tkachuk.
RE: RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.
This is a supremely dirty team. Link - ( New Window )
Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?
Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?
I don't know. I suspect they are, and I also suspect it won't make any difference.
But with the Rangers a couple calls/nons in the red. The blown whistle play acting job that's been all over the web shows the refs up; maybe it bears fruit for the Rangers with a dive call before the series is over.
OEL followed Laf after his spectacular goal and gave him a shove into the boards.
Yeah, I saw that and it looked like it got the attention of some Rangers, which got the attention of the officials. This is what I mean. The Panthers do shit like this all the time and hope for retaliation to get a PP.
Anyway, back to Costy's point, I forgot about this one - Verhaeghe punching Laf in the face after Trocheck's game 2 goal because he was mad that Laf leveled him a few seconds before the goal. Link - ( New Window )
That's bullshit and always has been. NOT calling a foul or penalty is just as impactful on the outcome as calling something. The time of the game doesn't matter. If it's a penalty, blow the whistle. Period. Because not doing so only punishes the team on the receiving end of the poor play.
RE: I just hate the excuse of not wanting to impact the outcome
That's bullshit and always has been. NOT calling a foul or penalty is just as impactful on the outcome as calling something. The time of the game doesn't matter. If it's a penalty, blow the whistle. Period. Because not doing so only punishes the team on the receiving end of the poor play.
Not calling penalties is tilting the game in favor of the team committing uncalled penalties. It's such dumb logic to argue they shouldn't impact plays.
*they shouldn't impact games by swallowing the whistle.
We will get outshot, out hit, out zone-timed - we've seen enough that we are not going to dominate the run of play against Florida. Or even against Carolina.
But we can still win. We can still score. We can be good on the rush. We could just get lucky. Maybe we can even score a PP goal.
We are good enough to be a 50/50 proposition against all the best teams in the league. To win a Cup, you generally need to be on the good side of a lot of 50/50 situations.
Whatever happens, it's super fun. It's fun to be good. It's fun to play in big games with a chance to win a title. This is exactly what is fun about being a sports fan. I'm loving this.
We will get outshot, out hit, out zone-timed - we've seen enough that we are not going to dominate the run of play against Florida. Or even against Carolina.
But we can still win. We can still score. We can be good on the rush. We could just get lucky. Maybe we can even score a PP goal.
We are good enough to be a 50/50 proposition against all the best teams in the league. To win a Cup, you generally need to be on the good side of a lot of 50/50 situations.
Whatever happens, it's super fun. It's fun to be good. It's fun to play in big games with a chance to win a title. This is exactly what is fun about being a sports fan. I'm loving this.
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
When you spend all period pussyfooting around and flipping the puck out of your own end to the NZ. Not a single fucking guy has tried to carry the puck out of the zone. The forecheck has been an embarrassment.
With this third period respond. Will they cave or rise? They're one shot from tying it up
How about a quality scoring chance from someone who isn't Lafreniere? How about Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider actually skate out there instead of having their thumbs up their asses.
was traveling mid-May for Games 5 & 6 and you brought it home. Out of commission and out of the country for two weeks so youse gots to do it again and bring us to SCF. Saddle up and good luck LGR
Frustrating to get out played pretty much 9 straight games now. Somehow they are 5-3 in that stretch and tied on the road against a talented desperate team currently - I’d feel a lot better about our chances to carry this series if we’d tilt the ice at some point. At this point you can’t bank on that happening. You look at the talent on this roster and this shouldn’t happen. Maddening.
Have been an abomination in this series. The core of this team has been shit. What kind of fucking pass is Zibanejad making into a guys feet at the blue line?
And fuck these refs. They missed three penalties on the Panthers in the last 39 seconds of regulation.
I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out
I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out
There isn’t a single defenseman who wants to carry the puck out.
Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
Trouba wasn't even on the ice until the turnover was made. You can lay a lot at Troubas feet, but not that one.
I’m talking about the PK, why is he chasing to the wall? Florida is living off the goal line on the PK and he’s caught above the circles for really no reason. Whatever, he’s average. It is what it is. He’s not the only one
I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out
There isn’t a single defenseman who wants to carry the puck out.
Sure seems that way. I've never seen a team with this much talent repeatedly give up the puck..both willingly and unintentionally. They want a break...not a rush. Why?
Igor saved their asses entire game.
It is not sustainable to win this series if the first line most notably Kreider continues to play like shit.
At least Panarin is trying
Zibby is way off his game.
D corps need to stop stick checking in their zone
Honestly, Panthers putting it to the Rangers regardless of their dirty tactics.
Based on how we played the first 4 games we are lucky to be going back to MSG at 2 games a piece
Thank you Igor.
I’m talking about the PK, why is he chasing to the wall? Florida is living off the goal line on the PK and he’s caught above the circles for really no reason. Whatever, he’s average. It is what it is. He’s not the only one
They’re ALL doing it and leaving the slot and goal line completely exposed on PKs. I truly have no idea why they’re playing so aggressively. You’d think Ray Bourque is on the ice the way they’re playing it.
PJ and others like to tout the fact that he blocks a ton of shots. Well, he blocks a lot of shots because HE'S ALWAYS PINNED IN HIS OWN END. The guy can't move the puck out of the fucking zone. He'll either cough it up, take a dumb fucking penalty, or just be pinned down in his zone.
Of course he's going to block a lot of shots. It's because he basically lives in the defensive zone!
8M per for a "captain" who constantly fucks up and then covers his fuckups with penalties and cheapshots. Incredible.
Panarin's cap hit is 45% greater than Trouba's....
and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.
Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.
Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.
Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.
That’s a poor read and way too aggressive of a play on the winning goal, is it not?
But it’s not all on him. Trouba is just the poster boy, because of the salary and captain status, for my collective issue with this defense group that can’t handle a forecheck with composure and move the puck effectively. Compounded by the Fox injury. Certain forwards are going to take a lot of shit, and most of it is warranted. But they can barely get a clean pass to actually have a chance to attack Florida with some speed. It makes it tough.
All of that said, Mika was terrible and he’s getting his lunch fed to him by Barkov. A lot on the line for him these next 2-3 games. He did get held at the end of regulation, saw that. Could have been a 2 on 1
To be fair none of the fucking Rangers defensemen capable of carrying the puck out of the D zone.
That’s why I have been saying play Zac Jones. It can’t get any worse.
and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.
Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
Yep. And he ain't going anywhere, either.
Two points tonight, let’s be fair. I thought he had a better game, he was more engaged in the battles. Let’s see from here
Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
All starts with a clean face off loss. Then on the PK when you are in a box and you're the strong side D you have a choice (some of it is based on the system/approach the coaches implement some of it is judgment), be passive or be aggressive. On that play Trouba must have seen something or the coaches suggested to be aggressive and he went after Barkov on the half wall.
it was a tic-tac-toe play on the PP, and a great finish by Reinhart. Reinhart had 27 PP goals on the season (most in the league by 6 more than 2nd place). Sometimes you get beat by a great play.
Rangers stole back home ice. they accomplished what they had to.
Nothing else matters. But whine away. whine about the refs, whine about Trouba (someone blamed him for the Mika pass, lol), whine about Lavy, whine about Panarin and Mika, none of it matters right now. It's a best of 3 series with 2 possible home games for the Rangers.
To be fair none of the fucking Rangers defensemen capable of carrying the puck out of the D zone.
That’s why I have been saying play Zac Jones. It can’t get any worse.
Yep. This team couldn't complete a breakout pass if their lives depended on it. But they sure are good flippers!...Well, actually, Trouba doesn't even do that well.
Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
All starts with a clean face off loss. Then on the PK when you are in a box and you're the strong side D you have a choice (some of it is based on the system/approach the coaches implement some of it is judgment), be passive or be aggressive. On that play Trouba must have seen something or the coaches suggested to be aggressive and he went after Barkov on the half wall.
it was a tic-tac-toe play on the PP, and a great finish by Reinhart. Reinhart had 27 PP goals on the season (most in the league by 6 more than 2nd place). Sometimes you get beat by a great play.
Rangers stole back home ice. they accomplished what they had to.
Nothing else matters. But whine away. whine about the refs, whine about Trouba (someone blamed him for the Mika pass, lol), whine about Lavy, whine about Panarin and Mika, none of it matters right now. It's a best of 3 series with 2 possible home games for the Rangers.
Nobody blamed him for the Mika pass. rnargi misunderstood what I was saying.
The Rangers are not an aggressive “chase” PK team. They pretty consistently play the box, keep to the outside, and look to counter off blocked shots and turnovers. Pretty confident it’s a bad read and play by him. I’d expect better. He’s usually a pretty reliable penalty killer
We’re fans discussing a tense playoff game. I don’t really see any whining.
After 10 games against the relentless forecheck and physicality of the Canes and Panthers, the Rangers D corps has been beaten down.
I don’t see anything changing going forward
I hope Igor can steal 2 games.
This was after the penalty on Wheeler on the Mika turnover
The goal had been scored. Look at the post above it. It really doesn’t matter though. Lot of guys had a tough two games in Florida. Have to be better
Interesting to see Panarin top that chart. I felt like he had a better game. They need to find a way to get Lafreniere more ice time. Maybe some signs of life from Fox at least
Being tied 2-2 with a monster of a tough opponent like Florida in the ECF isn't the worst thing in the world.
No way was this going to be easy, but let's put this "home ice advantage" thing to the test and beat them two more times. It was an OT loss, it's not like it was 5-0.
Being tied 2-2 with a monster of a tough opponent like Florida in the ECF isn't the worst thing in the world.
No way was this going to be easy, but let's put this "home ice advantage" thing to the test and beat them two more times. It was an OT loss, it's not like it was 5-0.
It wasn’t 5-0 because of our goalie but the play on ice was indicative of that type of game. Shesterkin is the world’s best goalie, he isn’t a robot—he will have a bad game at some point. Nothing about the first four games, leads me to believe we can win 2 of 3 even at home. They are the better team by a lot
Panarin doesn't deserve the hate he's getting today
he was really active last night, and he is part of the one line that is actually generating offense consistently. Panarin attracts a lot of attention and Lafreniere/Trocheck are benefitting. I am running out of patience with Zibanejad in particular, but Kreider too, and if you know me as a poster, I'm one of the biggest Zibanejad apologists on the planet. I get it, they're up against two of the top five defensive forwards in the league, who just held Pastrnak to 2 points in 6 games, but at some point they have to do something if the Rangers are going to win this series. Maybe game 5 at home they can keep them away from Barkov/Reinhart with last change.
The Rangers wasted an amazing performance by Igor last night, and I have to say, while I'm far from giving up on this series, I am having flashbacks to Lundqvist's playoff career where he was sensational every night but never got any goal support. I have been bringing up how Igor has zero playoff shutouts in his career, he may need a couple from here on out if they're actually going to win the series/Cup.
I thought Goodrow should have rotated down once Trouba abandoned his position. My guess is Lavy told the D to be more aggressive and not cede puck possession on the penalty kill. NHL goals are seldom one person's fault.
I thought Trouba had a good game before that. Zibanejad is the scapegoat for yesterday, IMO.
I thought Goodrow should have rotated down once Trouba abandoned his position. My guess is Lavy told the D to be more aggressive and not cede puck possession on the penalty kill. NHL goals are seldom one person's fault.
I thought Trouba had a good game before that. Zibanejad is the scapegoat for yesterday, IMO.
This is my assumption as well.
The Rangers had the 3rd best PK in the regular season, but they had already allowed 2 PP goals in the game last night (technically time had expired on the Reinhart goal, but irrelevant) and 2 PP goals last game. My guess is Lavy or Peca said let's not sit and wait for them to pick apart the box, let's be aggressive. Trouba was and it cost them.
I thought Rangers in 7, now I'm not so sure they even get to game 7.
First time in this playoff that I don't feel like they will win.
Are they gassed? Indifferent? Chicken shit (yes you Artemy)? Seems like they can't put out more than one good, solid period per game.
Again, Trocheck and Laf the only top 6 guys who showed up. Even Wheeler was better than Mika, Kreider and Panarin. I was very skeptical but Wheeler was in the Top 4 with Troch, Laf and Goodrow. He had jump and passion. Panarin looks like he's going to shit himself if there is a red shirt within 6 feet of him. 4th line better than the Mika line again.
Igor is standing on his head and they still cant win. What a waste. UGH.
Can't we see what happens in the next game before we start wailing and rending our garments?
The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.
Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
This is all true. Miller is big and mobile and can handle the puck - why he refuses to skate a puck out, I don't understand. To a lesser extent, Schneider too. Trouba is what he is. I do think that sitting Gustafsson for Jones and pairing Jones with Trouba and reuniting Miller/Schneider would help quite a bit. Lavi keeps tinkering with the forwards when the defense is the biggest problem by far.
Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
For the sake of being fair and not just singling out the captain (who was fine until the winning goal, agreed there) Lindgren and Schneider struggle with it as well. Lindgren battles, we all know that, but he struggles to do anything besides flip the puck out. Schneider is really fighting it. He probably looks the most uncomfortable with the puck out of them all. K'Andre isn't a great puck mover but his skating is capable of getting him out of tough spots.
Some of this is just the construction of the group, there's only so much that can improve. But they need to make quicker decisions and the forwards need to support and provide options besides chopping it off the boards and out. Let's see where Laviolette differs from Gallant. I think he can find some solutions, especially having last change at home. The two games at home were miles better than in Florida
With Schneider it seems more mental than anything else
Ron Greschner, he's not, but he has enough skating and puck handling that he should be able to do more than just bang it along the boards. He looks like he just panics whenever the puck comes to him in their own end.
Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
For the sake of being fair and not just singling out the captain (who was fine until the winning goal, agreed there) Lindgren and Schneider struggle with it as well. Lindgren battles, we all know that, but he struggles to do anything besides flip the puck out. Schneider is really fighting it. He probably looks the most uncomfortable with the puck out of them all. K'Andre isn't a great puck mover but his skating is capable of getting him out of tough spots.
Some of this is just the construction of the group, there's only so much that can improve. But they need to make quicker decisions and the forwards need to support and provide options besides chopping it off the boards and out. Let's see where Laviolette differs from Gallant. I think he can find some solutions, especially having last change at home. The two games at home were miles better than in Florida
I was going to say, the forwards are not doing anything to help either. They just send it around and there isn’t anyone in to forecheck.
am truly baffled by our inability to get the puck out of the zone and beat the forecheck. I get that Fox is hurt but every single one of our Dmen is incapable of making an outlet pass, and our entire team is allergic to carrying the puck out of the zone. It feels like we're on PKs for entire periods. Get pinned in our zone, dump it out, change, FL reloads, back in our zone again for, realistically, 1-3 minutes at a time.
It's been exhausting watching them, especially since Carolina carried the play in our zone during the previous series as well. This team has not looked good for 60 minutes for like 8 games at this point.
You might as well try and play Zac Jones at this point, though idk who you'd sit. And I'm disappointed K'Andre hasn't been better in this regard.
Also, Mika has just been completely outclassed by Barkov. I know he's playing the Selke winner but he's also snake bitten and in one of his funks (as is Kreider).
If they continue to be invisible this year, I think there's real questions about our core 3, and whether these guys are too streaky to ever bring it home. Laffy is going to break out IMO next year, and it makes me wonder if one (or some) of the three should be moved to help this team reload for the future and center a team around him, because if the big 3 can't step up this year, it's a valid question as to whether they ever will.
Having said that though, I don't even know who you'd move. I get that Panarin has been smothered and it's opening up ice for Vinny and Laffy. He's probably someone I wouldn't want to move at all. Chris is Mr. Ranger for this era, it'd feel awful to see him on another team. Mika has had a terrible year and is older now, if you moved him you'd be doing it at his lowest possible value.
Plus I believe they all have NTCs.
Ugh, I hope we can just pull this out somehow. But it's frustrating watching this team rely on their goalie to bail them out for 20 YEARS and eventually letting them down. It's literally been the story since 05.
Lastly, Florida just looks FASTER. Rangers are beat to every 50/50 puck. It feels like we're gliding towards the puck while Florida is constantly pressing in the right stick to sprint.
Honestly, Panarin is playing way better than Kreider
At least he seems interested in trying to make plays.
Kreider has been a no show and displays no urgency in trying to get the puck out of the D zone
Just skates around midway through blue line and face off circle.
Zibby is being outplayed by Barlow who is a monster. At least he is trying more than I can say for Kreider.
I thought last night Cullye and Kakko played hard
Give me a couple more Trocheck ‘s and LaFraniere’s on this team.
Finesse players don’t get it done in the playoffs.
Please put Jones in with Trouba and reunite Miller with Schneider
I thought last night was Fox’s best game and we wasted it.
Can't we see what happens in the next game before we start wailing and rending our garments?
The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.
Just let the games play out.
Hate to be a doomer (I really do) but I felt we got outplayed game 1. Game 2 definitely felt more even.
It's the utter domination in games 3 and 4 that has me concerned (in conjunction with Carolina making us sweat towards the end of that series).
Also, I'm OBVIOUSLY happy we didn't get to see it, but I am so curious wtf a Carolina-Florida series would have looked like, considering their styles of play.
Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
It feels like this is a problem that just compounds itself.
--> Get pinned in zone
--> get gassed defending and chasing the puck, trying to clear it
--> Clear the damn puck, go off for a change
--> Gathered by FL, who waltz right back into the zone with it after their own change
It's really insane. I find it hard to believe it's a skill issue, but that's what my eyeballs tell me (bolstered by what I hear from others about Laviolette being a good Xs and Os coach).
talk me off the ledge. Rangers need to play a perfect game tomorrow night. Please tell me they can.
Boomer made a good point this series reminds me of the 2014 NYR LAK finals more and more. Except in this one we have caught the occasional break. We need a couple more or we need to play kick ass hockey. We need another game 2 type game out of the blue-shirts, minus the OT stress.
Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
RE: Honestly, Panarin is playing way better than Kreider
Can't we see what happens in the next game before we start wailing and rending our garments?
The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.
Just let the games play out.
This is the take I will hang on to until Thursday night. Sack the fuck up.
This isn't the LA Kings. We can win tomorrow night. And we could have won against LA. Get it done. Break through this shit.
I felt we got outplayed game 1. Game 2 definitely felt more even.
They definitely played better in 2 but at most Florida had a slight edge in 1. Scoring chances were pretty even, shots were pretty even. Igor gave up a softy and Laf put it in his own net.
They played two competitive games at home and then got blitzed on the road. Stole one, lost one. If they lose, we'll have all offseason for postmortems. Don't need premortems.
I really believe that if the NYR get through this, it’ll be so much easier in the Cup Finals than the ECF..like when the Falcon finally got through the meteor shower in the empire strikes back…
FLA has built their team to maximize forward depth. I don't think a team in the league can match them. Maybe DAL, but even then I'd take FLA's forwards.
Tarasenko, the deadline acquisition, is one exception, but their philosophy, supported by their roster, is two on the puck in a heavy, almost cheat-like, fore check.
The way you beat that scheme is exactly what the D are doing, quick wrap arounds on the boards, or reverses behind the net and then wrap around the boards, and forward chips to the middle hitting a breaking forward or bank off the boards to a crossing forward. The Bruins, who are far less talented than the Rangers, did this very well. The D should also activate on the breakout putting pressure on the FLA forwards and wearing them down. Again, BOS did this very well.
the result *should* be odd-man rushes, since FLA's D are porous defensively and their o-zone scheme includes D activation as well. The Rangers had some in games 1 and 2. less in 3 and 4.
The D are not blameless the wraps are late some times, to the wrong side sometimes (the weak side is the easier one), but the breakdown has mostly been the forwards are not always on the boards and when they are, they are often losing 50/50 puck battles.
The D skating it out here would be a disaster and unless Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar suit up in a Rangers jersey they don't really have a D with that skill set - and it's not Jones either from what I have seen. Asking Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider (Fox and Gus are the most natural at it IMO) to suddenly beat fore checkers by skating the puck out of the zone would likely result in more pucks finding the back of the net. When you get time, sure, take the ice you are given, but none of those guys does what the fans are asking.
All fixable and the d-zone play (by forwards and D) was much tighter in games 1 and 2 when the Rangers, despite being outshot, had more high danger scoring chances. Even in the game 1 loss the Rangers out chanced FLA.
Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
Good point. You should give up now. No need to visit these threads anymore.
FLA has built their team to maximize forward depth. I don't think a team in the league can match them. Maybe DAL, but even then I'd take FLA's forwards.
Tarasenko, the deadline acquisition, is one exception, but their philosophy, supported by their roster, is two on the puck in a heavy, almost cheat-like, fore check.
The way you beat that scheme is exactly what the D are doing, quick wrap arounds on the boards, or reverses behind the net and then wrap around the boards, and forward chips to the middle hitting a breaking forward or bank off the boards to a crossing forward. The Bruins, who are far less talented than the Rangers, did this very well. The D should also activate on the breakout putting pressure on the FLA forwards and wearing them down. Again, BOS did this very well.
the result *should* be odd-man rushes, since FLA's D are porous defensively and their o-zone scheme includes D activation as well. The Rangers had some in games 1 and 2. less in 3 and 4.
The D are not blameless the wraps are late some times, to the wrong side sometimes (the weak side is the easier one), but the breakdown has mostly been the forwards are not always on the boards and when they are, they are often losing 50/50 puck battles.
The D skating it out here would be a disaster and unless Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar suit up in a Rangers jersey they don't really have a D with that skill set - and it's not Jones either from what I have seen. Asking Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider (Fox and Gus are the most natural at it IMO) to suddenly beat fore checkers by skating the puck out of the zone would likely result in more pucks finding the back of the net. When you get time, sure, take the ice you are given, but none of those guys does what the fans are asking.
All fixable and the d-zone play (by forwards and D) was much tighter in games 1 and 2 when the Rangers, despite being outshot, had more high danger scoring chances. Even in the game 1 loss the Rangers out chanced FLA.
just my opinion.
PJ....they HAVE had time. They are NOT taking the ice given. How many times have they simply given away the puck without the need to do so? Contested turnovers happen. Unforced turnovers are KILLING them.
Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
I'm not too worried about Igor wanting to re-sign here as long as the money is right. NYC is a very comfortable place for Russians to play and despite our frustrations at times, this is a team with a realistic chance to win the cup each year. You're too doom and gloom! :)
Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
I'm not too worried about Igor wanting to re-sign here as long as the money is right. NYC is a very comfortable place for Russians to play and despite our frustrations at times, this is a team with a realistic chance to win the cup each year. You're too doom and gloom! :)
Lol...I hope you're right. We have been spoiled with our goalie lineage all the way back to Giacomin, Vanbiesbrouck, Davidson, Richter, Hank, and now Igor with a smattering of others in between. What a run, and only 1 cup.
because I was at the beach. Rangers won. So I skipped posting on Game 3 and Game 4. So after the loss, I'm back baby. In Brett we trust.
The good news
Every game is close. We're not getting blown out.
We're pretty much evenly matched.
I trust this regime to make necessary adjustments
It's a best of 3 series with 2 games being at home.
Lafreniere is a stud.
The bad news
Top stars are disappearing. Mika, Panarin, Kreider.
Our PP still hasn't done much.
Rangers are allergic to clearing the zone. That's why they're losing.
Closing thoughts: Dear Lord in Heaven, Rangers in 7.
Again. Panarin had two assists. Why lump him in with those other two nerds?
Also, the guy who said they cannot see the Rangers winning two games at home, OK, good point. Save me the hassle of watching the games because you said so. Forgot Florida went to the cup and everything last year.
Everyone remembers Game 6 and 7 against the Devils in 1994. However, people forget that the reason they had to win both of those monumental games was that the Devils pounded them in games 4 and 5, 3-1 and 4-1.
Everyone remembers Game 6 and 7 against the Devils in 1994. However, people forget that the reason they had to win both of those monumental games was that the Devils pounded them in games 4 and 5, 3-1 and 4-1.
But do those guys have the 1994 grit in them?
Or are they just ... Dan Girardi and Rick Nash? How will we remember this crop?
Says the Rangers won 2 games without really playing their best, and while yesterday turned into a shit show, they won one period, lost two, and were on the wrong side of one crucial OT error away from being up 3-1.
Or put differently, I don't think the Panthers can play much better than they have but the Rangers can - and the recipe for it isn't so hard to figure out. Plus Fox looking better is huge. And home ice should help Z and Kreider.
They are tougher, they are in better shape (every late 2nd and 3rd they have owned us, and one could say better. So what! It’s two out of 3 now. Crying after the season and get those candy asses who won’t go to the net the hell out of here in the offseason. Bottom line “Just win baby”.
They are tougher, they are in better shape (every late 2nd and 3rd they have owned us, and one could say better. So what! It’s two out of 3 now. Crying after the season and get those candy asses who won’t go to the net the hell out of here in the offseason. Bottom line “Just win baby”.
because I was at the beach. Rangers won. So I skipped posting on Game 3 and Game 4. So after the loss, I'm back baby. In Brett we trust.
The good news
Every game is close. We're not getting blown out.
We're pretty much evenly matched.
I trust this regime to make necessary adjustments
It's a best of 3 series with 2 games being at home.
Lafreniere is a stud.
The bad news
Top stars are disappearing. Mika, Panarin, Kreider.
Our PP still hasn't done much.
Rangers are allergic to clearing the zone. That's why they're losing.
Closing thoughts: Dear Lord in Heaven, Rangers in 7.
The next time a Ranger dman makes some half assed flip that gets knocked down at the blue line I’m gonna have a fucking stroke
pj with respect, I think you came close to saying some days ago, in response to post of mine, that FLA overwhelming off zone time really didn't MATTER that much, just look at analytics. heh it's beyond clear I think you're acknowledging that NYR dmen are drowning in FL off zone pressure.
Aside, seems like real of last 3 years, Kyle, Brett,and I and others are in this same convo about the 'core.
Oh, and did DOPS suspend Bennett for his sucker punch on Marchand? Or was that a hockey play too? Brett and Kyle stay away from pj's leagues!!
Bon voyage back to MSG, don't redux this Game 5 at home thing
LGR
but it matters less than scoring chances and high danger scoring chances. That was my point.
you could argue one leads to the other, but game 1 belies that theory as did some of the Bruins Panthers games.
FLA is susceptible to giving up odd-man rushes due to their aggressive o-zone and neutral zone schemes. NYR need to make them pay. They didn't make them pay in game 1 when Bobrovsky was phenomenal. Bob has just been ok since then, but the Rangers (at least in games 3 and 4) haven't pressured the FLA D and Bob enough.
I thought FL got higher quality chances last night than they did in 3.
This was always going to be a coin flip series.
Last night was ridiculous. I forget and can't look it up something like 15 to 6 in scoring chances. Last night was a legit - Igor came close to stealing a game. I believe Bobrovsky was still a net negative, but it didn't matter the Rangers had so low xGF FLA could have had one of those fake plastic practice goalies in net and still won.
The next time a Ranger dman makes some half assed flip that gets knocked down at the blue line I’m gonna have a fucking stroke
This~.
Florida's been impenetrable at the line but the Rangers have been lackadaisical. Were I an Xs an Os guy I'd think a combination of attention to getting the puck out by the D plus some plays taking of their crash the side boards tendency could solve this.
For me this series has been all about special teams
Hot: Panthers PP and PK
Cold: Rangers PP and PK
Special teams got the Rangers the President Cup and ECF’s
It’s missing in action right now..
I think Fox’s injury has had a big negative effect on PP in this series.
He looked much better last night.
I hope that Fox continues to improve.
I would like to see more ice time for LaFraniere on PP
With respect to D corps their have been multiple occasions where they had space to start moving the puck out of zone but they instantly start chipping the puck as soon as it hits their stick imv.
Game 5 is huge. Let’s play 60 minutes of intense and physical hockey
LGR
I thought FL got higher quality chances last night than they did in 3.
This was always going to be a coin flip series.
Last night was ridiculous. I forget and can't look it up something like 15 to 6 in scoring chances. Last night was a legit - Igor came close to stealing a game. I believe Bobrovsky was still a net negative, but it didn't matter the Rangers had so low xGF FLA could have had one of those fake plastic practice goalies in net and still won.
Sadly, I don't think this is such an exaggeration. They didn't really test him much. The 2 goals plus Zibanejad's near miss were the only times. Most of the other SOG seemed to be right in the gut.
This is a similar scenario to the Devils in 1994 and going back further the Islanders in 1979. The Rangers managed to win both of those series against teams that were much tougher and arguably much better. Those two teams won 7 Cups after losing to the Rangers.
On the flip side these games are brutal to watch. I've been watching this NY Rangers DNA for almost 60 years now. Nothing has changed over all the years except 1994 when Messier brought his friends with him to NY. They aren't built for the playoffs. Their best players want no part of this rough, dirty hockey.
The supposed 1st line has been worthless in this series, even on the power play. They're all worried about getting hit and have lost their poise.
Hopefully they find a way to win two more games. If they make it there the next round might be a better match up for them.
It looks to me that whoever wins this series takes the Cup. Nothing against Dallas or Edmonton, but these two teams seem to me to be the favorites.
Excellent point Fast Eddie re "finesse stars have been in the witness protection program".
I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
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if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.
As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
Typical. 6 penalties taken but the Rangers but Rempe's is the only one mentioned. Rempe is fulfilling his role, forechecking, hitting, making traffic in front like on Goodrow's first goal. Most of the Top 6 are not. THEY (Artemy "soft as wonder Bread" Panarin, Mika, Kreider) are the problem. Laf and Trocheck are the only ones who don't look intimidated.
exactly. and I'll take his penalties. He brings snarl that on Lindgren comes close too.
I wonder if Lav has considered moving Goodrow to the top line. He's red hot and can take pressure off of Zib by taking faceoffs.
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Reduce the penalties from last game he has been effective
exactly. and I'll take his penalties. He brings snarl that on Lindgren comes close too.
Why would you take his penalties? The Panthers have been spanking us on their PP.
P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.
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if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.
As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
Typical. 6 penalties taken but the Rangers but Rempe's is the only one mentioned. Rempe is fulfilling his role, forechecking, hitting, making traffic in front like on Goodrow's first goal. Most of the Top 6 are not. THEY (Artemy "soft as wonder Bread" Panarin, Mika, Kreider) are the problem. Laf and Trocheck are the only ones who don't look intimidated.
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.
Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?
The Rempe Effect is real, man. IDK what it is, but look at their record when he's in the lineup.
I think at this point, he'll only get taken out if/when Wheeler is ready to go. I think they're going to try to do everything they can to pull Zibanejad and Kreider out of their collective asses.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.
Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?
Florida went to Alex Lyon to start the playoffs, but when he had a hiccup, they went back to Bobrovsky who was pretty much lights out the rest of the way until the Cup Final. He is a Vezina finalist this year and until game 3, he had 7 games in a row giving up 2 or fewer goals. He's been quite enigmatic and largely disappointing since signing the huge contract in 2019 in terms of looking at his contract from a big picture, but starting with last year's playoffs through now, Bobrovsky is one of the top 5 goalies in the league.
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P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.
The Rempe Effect is real, man. IDK what it is, but look at their record when he's in the lineup.
I think at this point, he'll only get taken out if/when Wheeler is ready to go. I think they're going to try to do everything they can to pull Zibanejad and Kreider out of their collective asses.
Damn right it is. He should be getting 2 shifts a period with the 4th line at minimum. They get the puck deep and bang the Cats around. And FLA has become very chippy as the series has progressed. The Rangers have been just taking it.
The attached article is their bigger problem. The big boys aren't producing.
Anakim, sorry I missed up my attempted response before. I meant I'll take Trouba's penalties because at least he is bringing a needed physical element. Obviously it would be better if he does that without getting whistled.
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.
Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?
Florida went to Alex Lyon to start the playoffs, but when he had a hiccup, they went back to Bobrovsky who was pretty much lights out the rest of the way until the Cup Final. He is a Vezina finalist this year and until game 3, he had 7 games in a row giving up 2 or fewer goals. He's been quite enigmatic and largely disappointing since signing the huge contract in 2019 in terms of looking at his contract from a big picture, but starting with last year's playoffs through now, Bobrovsky is one of the top 5 goalies in the league.
Fair enough, but the Rangers have still got the edge in net.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.
As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.
Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
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Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.
SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.
As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.
Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
Play a near carbon copy of game 2. Get the puck on net you don't need to setup the most amazing sequence of passes to beat this guy in net. He's average. LFG.
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Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.
SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.
As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.
Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
The Rangers, Hurricanes, and Panthers are all roughly equivalent caliber teams--but the Rangers have won every OT. That's a bit lucky.
What do you see here thread vets?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1795181723170300087
the Rempe effect is real, even if his actual TOI is discounted to game impact. As teams were exiting ice after Wennberg's OT winner, Tkachuk and another Panther poked and prodded him with their sticks, he didn't take the bait and then linesmen intervened (surprised Sutherland didn't hand him a GMisconduct for tonight). He's in their heads, just like Panthers are hunting high, such as these:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1795249048280240377
https://twitter.com/i/status/1795265691727368496
I think Maurice doubles down on FLA heavy forecheck, intimidation game because directly or indirectly it has completely taken the 'first' line and Panarin out of the game. Why would he change anything? Zib has that haunted, hangdog look on the bench and Fast Eddie (agree w/your post) went w/ my months' old Ice Capades meme for CK (:>
Rangers' d-men have to be much quicker getting the pucks off their sticks and by that I don't mean mindlessly trying to clear up along the wall. Collectively Sunday, they gave a poor account of themselves and the absence of the backcheck by the usual suspects is not making it any easier.
I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.
That damned goal turned the entire series. The Rangers would have gone into the third period up 3-1 in the game. Winning that game would put them up 3-1 in the series, heading back to MSG with a chance to close out the series.
Instead, Francis takes a shot from center ice with six seconds left in the period, it takes a goofy bounce and goes over Richter's shoulder, and the Pens suddenly had new life. Win that game in OT and the next two games after it. That was as bitter a loss as I've ever experienced.
I wonder if Lav has considered moving Goodrow to the top line. He's red hot and can take pressure off of Zib by taking faceoffs.
Agreed. I can see him back in the lineup in game 5 where Lavi can control the matchups better with last change. But I'm not sure we see him again tonight in Florida. The question is, if he comes out...do we see Brodzinski or Wheeler? My vote is Wheeler. Brodzinski has been invisible in the playoff games he's played. Maybe Wheeler can provide a small jolt to the lineup. You know his teammates would be pumped after what he went through with the bad leg injury. Not to mention Wheeler has never won a cup having played nearly 1200 games in regular season over 16 seasons.
Lomberg is 5' 9" (with skates on) and Vesey is 6' 3" even leaning it would be a neat trick for Lomberg's shoulder to connect with Vesey's head. The league reviews all head shots. Trouba was fined for his elbow. Was Lomberg fined?
No? Know why? It wasn't a head shot.
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I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.
That damned goal turned the entire series. The Rangers would have gone into the third period up 3-1 in the game. Winning that game would put them up 3-1 in the series, heading back to MSG with a chance to close out the series.
Instead, Francis takes a shot from center ice with six seconds left in the period, it takes a goofy bounce and goes over Richter's shoulder, and the Pens suddenly had new life. Win that game in OT and the next two games after it. That was as bitter a loss as I've ever experienced.
Yup. Horrible memory. That building was silent, that "why not" went in and they're all screaming 1940. I questioned if I would ever see them win it after that series.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Fine feels a little excessive, but it's not my money and I really don't give a shit.
The rear and shows that the contact was pretty clearly not to the head, and the theatrics from Rodrigues were utterly ridiculous. Hardly missed a shift.
The twitter reactions and the stuff from guys like Subban (of all fucking people) are ridiculous.
Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
Channeling our inner 1993 Montreal Canadians cup run.
It's been done. 6 more. Just keep going.
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Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Also, anyone heard how Sam Rosen is doing?
Thanks
The issue is the Panthers do them too. They just don’t get called. Is BS. Along w their making the best use of their SAG cards acting and laying paying on the ice then not missing a single shift
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But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
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Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
Thank you. And Messier LOVES him. Good enough for me.
I dislike that team.
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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
That was the year Lemieux was sick with cancer if I recall.
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The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
Has Lonberg's elbow been discussed? I just saw it this morning for the first time.
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putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.
And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
I wish we played a little heavier game against them.
LGR
I dislike that team.
I will say that the Romberg video shown above looks more egregious than any of the other angles i saw on TV.
As to Rempe, I love the kids enthusiasm but playing him in away games does not work. And if he is only playing 4 minutes, it definitely does not work. Play him at home when you control the matchups.
I dislike that team.
Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
He's definitely not slow, but it does take him a few strides to get those long legs going. When they do, he covers a lot of ice...fast. It's unmistakeable. True he's not reading opponents' transitions well at this point, but he more than most on team can recover ground.
Wheeler? Wheeler? Buehler? Why are we talking about him. He was quite cooked before the injury. As said last week, I think he played RW1 for ~ 20 games before notching a goal, and it was an empty net, keeper drawn out wide near post.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
Well, you do have a dog, a +1500 dog (:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Vesey because to me the video is pretty clear.
Called fairly? "Fair" has broad parameters, maybe refs have not been egregious. But even rules expert Jackson fumfered on the whistle that stopped a Rangers 3 on 2 in its tracks because Bennett (?) fell to the ice after a check holding his hand? wtf and upper body injury not even in question. Best he could do is say refs sometimes get it wrong.
How, pj, in what world is there officiating risk in letting the rush play out where it was clear beyond doubt that Bennett was not going to impact play one way or the other? He was by that point 40' behind. He wasn't gushing blood. He wasn't prone and comatose.
Even with the money at stake I don't think it clouds my judgment. I obviously want NYR to win.
Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.
Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
Yep I hear you. Patrick Roy was ridiculous for the habs in that run. Beyond ridiculous. For a legendary career this was Roy’s signature moment, in my view.
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Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.
I still don't understand why the whistle was blown. Did they even explain it or it come up again or ... Anything?
Yep. I called bullshit with the naked eye.
it was a mistake, but (from memory so I could be wrong) the puck was still on the Panthers side of the red line, so it was a potential odd-man rush, but not quite as egregious as some fans make it.
Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.
This is a supremely dirty team.
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Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.
Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.
I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
Have you noticed how they've gone after the Rangers in goal celebrations? Tkahcuk tried to bait Rempe after Wennberg's OT winner on Sunday. I think Rempe might have chirped at him, but still. The refs had to get in front of Tkachuk.
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Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.
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I don't know. I suspect they are, and I also suspect it won't make any difference.
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I think the officiating the past few years in the playoffs has been pretty bad.
Also, anyone heard how Sam Rosen is doing?
Thanks
I do. Much better
Not calling penalties is tilting the game in favor of the team committing uncalled penalties. It's such dumb logic to argue they shouldn't impact plays.
I'll give 'em something to swallow.
that's all I've got..
LGR!
But we can still win. We can still score. We can be good on the rush. We could just get lucky. Maybe we can even score a PP goal.
We are good enough to be a 50/50 proposition against all the best teams in the league. To win a Cup, you generally need to be on the good side of a lot of 50/50 situations.
Whatever happens, it's super fun. It's fun to be good. It's fun to play in big games with a chance to win a title. This is exactly what is fun about being a sports fan. I'm loving this.
But we can still win. We can still score. We can be good on the rush. We could just get lucky. Maybe we can even score a PP goal.
We are good enough to be a 50/50 proposition against all the best teams in the league. To win a Cup, you generally need to be on the good side of a lot of 50/50 situations.
Whatever happens, it's super fun. It's fun to be good. It's fun to play in big games with a chance to win a title. This is exactly what is fun about being a sports fan. I'm loving this.
Well said. Let’s fucking go!!
It works in the playoffs with the likes of Claude Lemieux, Marchand, Tom Wilson and others. Hell, Tik was one of my all time favorite rangers.
Messier loves Rempe as he brings that same energy and is a throwback pest/enforcer.
I dislike that team.
+1
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Panarin-Trocheck-Lafrenière
Cuylle-Wennberg-Kakko
Wheeler-Goodrow-Rempe
They say he's healthy. The official line is just managing his workload after such a long layoff. Who knows...
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Filip Chytil is a healthy scratch for the Rangers tonight
So far, PL has pulled all the right levers. They are 10-3 in the playoffs. I think we owe him a little latitude in his decision for the moment, no?
I mute the TV
Said the same thing. It’s as if the refs have the mindset of “well that’s how the Panthers play so we’ll let it go”
I mute the TV
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Yeah!!!PP
Nope, the best two periods were the OT periods!!!!!! LOL
Let's GO!
No idea what to expect now.
No idea what to expect now.
That is over the bar?
They don’t have the will or desire to clear this shitstains from in front of the net
Still a lot of hockey left to play.
At least Zibby is getting some shots
The whole team is playing timid.
Stars??????
Agree
How about a quality scoring chance from someone who isn't Lafreniere? How about Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider actually skate out there instead of having their thumbs up their asses.
At least he gives effort on the ice.
Don't be surprised if Wheeler is on the first line...
And now Lindgren is hurt
And now Lindgren is hurt
On a play in which he did not have the puck
LGR
LGR
Says here panarin has 2 points
Yeah that was the first time Fox has looked like himself since the knee on knee hit
On the tee box?
Bob has been suntanning back there for the last two periods
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
He's been dreadful
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
Definitely a penalty
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
And Trouba got socked with the shaft of the stick. The refs suck
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
No, there were several plays that would have been called in a regular season game. ESPN even said Kakko was tripped.
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
I could be wrong, but I think Kakko tripped over his own stick
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Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.
Maybe so
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
I could be wrong, but I think Kakko tripped over his own stick
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Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.
Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
No, there were several plays that would have been called in a regular season game. ESPN even said Kakko was tripped.
They called it a trip the. The. Said he tripped to give the shitty non call a gloss over.
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Up to this
Bob has been suntanning back there for the last two periods
Reactions get slower in the sun
Let's hope he plays strong on the wall and corners and makes the game winning dish.
There you go.
But Mika with an ALL-TIME bonehead pass.
And lose the game.
And just like how it was for Gallant. Just like it how it was for Quinn. Kreider and Zibanejad will NEVER be broken up.
Man up.
And fuck these refs. They missed three penalties on the Panthers in the last 39 seconds of regulation.
Off his face and off his hand—bad luck tonight for him
Rangers were changing d. Troubla had just got on the ice as the turnover occured
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
PJ can throw all the analytics he wants. Trouba is fucking awful and the K'Andre-Trouba pairing is horrific.
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
Trouba wasn't even on the ice until the turnover was made. You can lay a lot at Troubas feet, but not that one.
Forget goals. Fucking Sergei Bobrovsky has more points than Kreider and Zibanejad.
But let's not break them up. Let's continue playing musical chairs with the RW instead of breaking those two up.
There isn’t a single defenseman who wants to carry the puck out.
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Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
Trouba wasn't even on the ice until the turnover was made. You can lay a lot at Troubas feet, but not that one.
I’m talking about the PK, why is he chasing to the wall? Florida is living off the goal line on the PK and he’s caught above the circles for really no reason. Whatever, he’s average. It is what it is. He’s not the only one
Bingo. He sucked for most of the fucking game.
Teams didn’t dominate the black hawks like this night and night out. At some point it would be great if this team would show up.
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I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out
There isn’t a single defenseman who wants to carry the puck out.
Sure seems that way. I've never seen a team with this much talent repeatedly give up the puck..both willingly and unintentionally. They want a break...not a rush. Why?
It is not sustainable to win this series if the first line most notably Kreider continues to play like shit.
At least Panarin is trying
Zibby is way off his game.
D corps need to stop stick checking in their zone
Honestly, Panthers putting it to the Rangers regardless of their dirty tactics.
Based on how we played the first 4 games we are lucky to be going back to MSG at 2 games a piece
Thank you Igor.
I’m talking about the PK, why is he chasing to the wall? Florida is living off the goal line on the PK and he’s caught above the circles for really no reason. Whatever, he’s average. It is what it is. He’s not the only one
They’re ALL doing it and leaving the slot and goal line completely exposed on PKs. I truly have no idea why they’re playing so aggressively. You’d think Ray Bourque is on the ice the way they’re playing it.
Of course he's going to block a lot of shots. It's because he basically lives in the defensive zone!
8M per for a "captain" who constantly fucks up and then covers his fuckups with penalties and cheapshots. Incredible.
Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.
Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.
Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
Yep. And he ain't going anywhere, either.
On the bad side, I’ve pretty much reached my limit with the Trouba/KAM duo. Gotta split them up again.
I won't even mention the number of SNAFUs and fuckups he had tonight and all playoff long.
Watch the GWG. Why the fuck did Trouba chase the puck to the boards instead of staying near the goal.
Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.
Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.
That’s a poor read and way too aggressive of a play on the winning goal, is it not?
But it’s not all on him. Trouba is just the poster boy, because of the salary and captain status, for my collective issue with this defense group that can’t handle a forecheck with composure and move the puck effectively. Compounded by the Fox injury. Certain forwards are going to take a lot of shit, and most of it is warranted. But they can barely get a clean pass to actually have a chance to attack Florida with some speed. It makes it tough.
All of that said, Mika was terrible and he’s getting his lunch fed to him by Barkov. A lot on the line for him these next 2-3 games. He did get held at the end of regulation, saw that. Could have been a 2 on 1
That’s why I have been saying play Zac Jones. It can’t get any worse.
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and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.
Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
Yep. And he ain't going anywhere, either.
Two points tonight, let’s be fair. I thought he had a better game, he was more engaged in the battles. Let’s see from here
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
All starts with a clean face off loss. Then on the PK when you are in a box and you're the strong side D you have a choice (some of it is based on the system/approach the coaches implement some of it is judgment), be passive or be aggressive. On that play Trouba must have seen something or the coaches suggested to be aggressive and he went after Barkov on the half wall.
it was a tic-tac-toe play on the PP, and a great finish by Reinhart. Reinhart had 27 PP goals on the season (most in the league by 6 more than 2nd place). Sometimes you get beat by a great play.
Rangers stole back home ice. they accomplished what they had to.
Nothing else matters. But whine away. whine about the refs, whine about Trouba (someone blamed him for the Mika pass, lol), whine about Lavy, whine about Panarin and Mika, none of it matters right now. It's a best of 3 series with 2 possible home games for the Rangers.
That’s why I have been saying play Zac Jones. It can’t get any worse.
Yep. This team couldn't complete a breakout pass if their lives depended on it. But they sure are good flippers!...Well, actually, Trouba doesn't even do that well.
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Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT
Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)
Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
All starts with a clean face off loss. Then on the PK when you are in a box and you're the strong side D you have a choice (some of it is based on the system/approach the coaches implement some of it is judgment), be passive or be aggressive. On that play Trouba must have seen something or the coaches suggested to be aggressive and he went after Barkov on the half wall.
it was a tic-tac-toe play on the PP, and a great finish by Reinhart. Reinhart had 27 PP goals on the season (most in the league by 6 more than 2nd place). Sometimes you get beat by a great play.
Rangers stole back home ice. they accomplished what they had to.
Nothing else matters. But whine away. whine about the refs, whine about Trouba (someone blamed him for the Mika pass, lol), whine about Lavy, whine about Panarin and Mika, none of it matters right now. It's a best of 3 series with 2 possible home games for the Rangers.
Nobody blamed him for the Mika pass. rnargi misunderstood what I was saying.
The Rangers are not an aggressive “chase” PK team. They pretty consistently play the box, keep to the outside, and look to counter off blocked shots and turnovers. Pretty confident it’s a bad read and play by him. I’d expect better. He’s usually a pretty reliable penalty killer
We’re fans discussing a tense playoff game. I don’t really see any whining.
I don’t see anything changing going forward
I hope Igor can steal 2 games.
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and wtf was Trouba doing?
game score for tonight.
Interesting to see Panarin top that chart. I felt like he had a better game. They need to find a way to get Lafreniere more ice time. Maybe some signs of life from Fox at least
Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.
Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.
Yes. He is getting dominated by Barkov. I know Barkov is elite defensively but damn, man, you gotta do better than this.
No way was this going to be easy, but let's put this "home ice advantage" thing to the test and beat them two more times. It was an OT loss, it's not like it was 5-0.
Panarin at least had two assists in this game. What those other two are doing besides being shut down, who knows?
No way was this going to be easy, but let's put this "home ice advantage" thing to the test and beat them two more times. It was an OT loss, it's not like it was 5-0.
It wasn’t 5-0 because of our goalie but the play on ice was indicative of that type of game. Shesterkin is the world’s best goalie, he isn’t a robot—he will have a bad game at some point. Nothing about the first four games, leads me to believe we can win 2 of 3 even at home. They are the better team by a lot
The Rangers wasted an amazing performance by Igor last night, and I have to say, while I'm far from giving up on this series, I am having flashbacks to Lundqvist's playoff career where he was sensational every night but never got any goal support. I have been bringing up how Igor has zero playoff shutouts in his career, he may need a couple from here on out if they're actually going to win the series/Cup.
I thought Trouba had a good game before that. Zibanejad is the scapegoat for yesterday, IMO.
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Don't get the Trouba hate tonight.
Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.
Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.
Yes. He is getting dominated by Barkov. I know Barkov is elite defensively but damn, man, you gotta do better than this.
Not to rehash old and irrelevant arguments, but it's why I didn't like the extension. He's frequently outmatched by the best centers in the game.
I thought Trouba had a good game before that. Zibanejad is the scapegoat for yesterday, IMO.
This is my assumption as well.
The Rangers had the 3rd best PK in the regular season, but they had already allowed 2 PP goals in the game last night (technically time had expired on the Reinhart goal, but irrelevant) and 2 PP goals last game. My guess is Lavy or Peca said let's not sit and wait for them to pick apart the box, let's be aggressive. Trouba was and it cost them.
Are they gassed? Indifferent? Chicken shit (yes you Artemy)? Seems like they can't put out more than one good, solid period per game.
Again, Trocheck and Laf the only top 6 guys who showed up. Even Wheeler was better than Mika, Kreider and Panarin. I was very skeptical but Wheeler was in the Top 4 with Troch, Laf and Goodrow. He had jump and passion. Panarin looks like he's going to shit himself if there is a red shirt within 6 feet of him. 4th line better than the Mika line again.
Igor is standing on his head and they still cant win. What a waste. UGH.
The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.
Just let the games play out.
This is all true. Miller is big and mobile and can handle the puck - why he refuses to skate a puck out, I don't understand. To a lesser extent, Schneider too. Trouba is what he is. I do think that sitting Gustafsson for Jones and pairing Jones with Trouba and reuniting Miller/Schneider would help quite a bit. Lavi keeps tinkering with the forwards when the defense is the biggest problem by far.
For the sake of being fair and not just singling out the captain (who was fine until the winning goal, agreed there) Lindgren and Schneider struggle with it as well. Lindgren battles, we all know that, but he struggles to do anything besides flip the puck out. Schneider is really fighting it. He probably looks the most uncomfortable with the puck out of them all. K'Andre isn't a great puck mover but his skating is capable of getting him out of tough spots.
Some of this is just the construction of the group, there's only so much that can improve. But they need to make quicker decisions and the forwards need to support and provide options besides chopping it off the boards and out. Let's see where Laviolette differs from Gallant. I think he can find some solutions, especially having last change at home. The two games at home were miles better than in Florida
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Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
For the sake of being fair and not just singling out the captain (who was fine until the winning goal, agreed there) Lindgren and Schneider struggle with it as well. Lindgren battles, we all know that, but he struggles to do anything besides flip the puck out. Schneider is really fighting it. He probably looks the most uncomfortable with the puck out of them all. K'Andre isn't a great puck mover but his skating is capable of getting him out of tough spots.
Some of this is just the construction of the group, there's only so much that can improve. But they need to make quicker decisions and the forwards need to support and provide options besides chopping it off the boards and out. Let's see where Laviolette differs from Gallant. I think he can find some solutions, especially having last change at home. The two games at home were miles better than in Florida
I was going to say, the forwards are not doing anything to help either. They just send it around and there isn’t anyone in to forecheck.
am truly baffled by our inability to get the puck out of the zone and beat the forecheck. I get that Fox is hurt but every single one of our Dmen is incapable of making an outlet pass, and our entire team is allergic to carrying the puck out of the zone. It feels like we're on PKs for entire periods. Get pinned in our zone, dump it out, change, FL reloads, back in our zone again for, realistically, 1-3 minutes at a time.
It's been exhausting watching them, especially since Carolina carried the play in our zone during the previous series as well. This team has not looked good for 60 minutes for like 8 games at this point.
You might as well try and play Zac Jones at this point, though idk who you'd sit. And I'm disappointed K'Andre hasn't been better in this regard.
Also, Mika has just been completely outclassed by Barkov. I know he's playing the Selke winner but he's also snake bitten and in one of his funks (as is Kreider).
If they continue to be invisible this year, I think there's real questions about our core 3, and whether these guys are too streaky to ever bring it home. Laffy is going to break out IMO next year, and it makes me wonder if one (or some) of the three should be moved to help this team reload for the future and center a team around him, because if the big 3 can't step up this year, it's a valid question as to whether they ever will.
Having said that though, I don't even know who you'd move. I get that Panarin has been smothered and it's opening up ice for Vinny and Laffy. He's probably someone I wouldn't want to move at all. Chris is Mr. Ranger for this era, it'd feel awful to see him on another team. Mika has had a terrible year and is older now, if you moved him you'd be doing it at his lowest possible value.
Plus I believe they all have NTCs.
Ugh, I hope we can just pull this out somehow. But it's frustrating watching this team rely on their goalie to bail them out for 20 YEARS and eventually letting them down. It's literally been the story since 05.
Lastly, Florida just looks FASTER. Rangers are beat to every 50/50 puck. It feels like we're gliding towards the puck while Florida is constantly pressing in the right stick to sprint.
Kreider has been a no show and displays no urgency in trying to get the puck out of the D zone
Just skates around midway through blue line and face off circle.
Zibby is being outplayed by Barlow who is a monster. At least he is trying more than I can say for Kreider.
I thought last night Cullye and Kakko played hard
Give me a couple more Trocheck ‘s and LaFraniere’s on this team.
Finesse players don’t get it done in the playoffs.
Please put Jones in with Trouba and reunite Miller with Schneider
I thought last night was Fox’s best game and we wasted it.
The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.
Just let the games play out.
It's the utter domination in games 3 and 4 that has me concerned (in conjunction with Carolina making us sweat towards the end of that series).
Also, I'm OBVIOUSLY happy we didn't get to see it, but I am so curious wtf a Carolina-Florida series would have looked like, considering their styles of play.
--> Get pinned in zone
--> get gassed defending and chasing the puck, trying to clear it
--> Clear the damn puck, go off for a change
--> Gathered by FL, who waltz right back into the zone with it after their own change
It's really insane. I find it hard to believe it's a skill issue, but that's what my eyeballs tell me (bolstered by what I hear from others about Laviolette being a good Xs and Os coach).
Boomer made a good point this series reminds me of the 2014 NYR LAK finals more and more. Except in this one we have caught the occasional break. We need a couple more or we need to play kick ass hockey. We need another game 2 type game out of the blue-shirts, minus the OT stress.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
Finesse players don’t get it done in the playoffs.
The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.
Just let the games play out.
This is the take I will hang on to until Thursday night. Sack the fuck up.
This isn't the LA Kings. We can win tomorrow night. And we could have won against LA. Get it done. Break through this shit.
They definitely played better in 2 but at most Florida had a slight edge in 1. Scoring chances were pretty even, shots were pretty even. Igor gave up a softy and Laf put it in his own net.
They played two competitive games at home and then got blitzed on the road. Stole one, lost one. If they lose, we'll have all offseason for postmortems. Don't need premortems.
FLA has built their team to maximize forward depth. I don't think a team in the league can match them. Maybe DAL, but even then I'd take FLA's forwards.
Tarasenko, the deadline acquisition, is one exception, but their philosophy, supported by their roster, is two on the puck in a heavy, almost cheat-like, fore check.
The way you beat that scheme is exactly what the D are doing, quick wrap arounds on the boards, or reverses behind the net and then wrap around the boards, and forward chips to the middle hitting a breaking forward or bank off the boards to a crossing forward. The Bruins, who are far less talented than the Rangers, did this very well. The D should also activate on the breakout putting pressure on the FLA forwards and wearing them down. Again, BOS did this very well.
the result *should* be odd-man rushes, since FLA's D are porous defensively and their o-zone scheme includes D activation as well. The Rangers had some in games 1 and 2. less in 3 and 4.
The D are not blameless the wraps are late some times, to the wrong side sometimes (the weak side is the easier one), but the breakdown has mostly been the forwards are not always on the boards and when they are, they are often losing 50/50 puck battles.
The D skating it out here would be a disaster and unless Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar suit up in a Rangers jersey they don't really have a D with that skill set - and it's not Jones either from what I have seen. Asking Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider (Fox and Gus are the most natural at it IMO) to suddenly beat fore checkers by skating the puck out of the zone would likely result in more pucks finding the back of the net. When you get time, sure, take the ice you are given, but none of those guys does what the fans are asking.
All fixable and the d-zone play (by forwards and D) was much tighter in games 1 and 2 when the Rangers, despite being outshot, had more high danger scoring chances. Even in the game 1 loss the Rangers out chanced FLA.
just my opinion.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
Good point. You should give up now. No need to visit these threads anymore.
FLA has built their team to maximize forward depth. I don't think a team in the league can match them. Maybe DAL, but even then I'd take FLA's forwards.
Tarasenko, the deadline acquisition, is one exception, but their philosophy, supported by their roster, is two on the puck in a heavy, almost cheat-like, fore check.
The way you beat that scheme is exactly what the D are doing, quick wrap arounds on the boards, or reverses behind the net and then wrap around the boards, and forward chips to the middle hitting a breaking forward or bank off the boards to a crossing forward. The Bruins, who are far less talented than the Rangers, did this very well. The D should also activate on the breakout putting pressure on the FLA forwards and wearing them down. Again, BOS did this very well.
the result *should* be odd-man rushes, since FLA's D are porous defensively and their o-zone scheme includes D activation as well. The Rangers had some in games 1 and 2. less in 3 and 4.
The D are not blameless the wraps are late some times, to the wrong side sometimes (the weak side is the easier one), but the breakdown has mostly been the forwards are not always on the boards and when they are, they are often losing 50/50 puck battles.
The D skating it out here would be a disaster and unless Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar suit up in a Rangers jersey they don't really have a D with that skill set - and it's not Jones either from what I have seen. Asking Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider (Fox and Gus are the most natural at it IMO) to suddenly beat fore checkers by skating the puck out of the zone would likely result in more pucks finding the back of the net. When you get time, sure, take the ice you are given, but none of those guys does what the fans are asking.
All fixable and the d-zone play (by forwards and D) was much tighter in games 1 and 2 when the Rangers, despite being outshot, had more high danger scoring chances. Even in the game 1 loss the Rangers out chanced FLA.
just my opinion.
PJ....they HAVE had time. They are NOT taking the ice given. How many times have they simply given away the puck without the need to do so? Contested turnovers happen. Unforced turnovers are KILLING them.
Schneider: 11
Miller: 9
Gus: 6
Trouba: 6
Lindgren: 5
Fox: 3
Sometimes I think someone says something on here and people just repeat it and it becomes true.
those numbers are higher than people would want, but not what fans are here seem to be portraying.
The NHL defines giveaways as:
"a form of turnover where the player makes an unforced error that results in giving the puck up to the opposition"
for reference, FLA D:
Ekblad: 13
Mikkola: 8
Forsling: 6
Montour: 5
Kulikov: 3
OEL: 1
Doesn't look much different IMO.
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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
I'm not too worried about Igor wanting to re-sign here as long as the money is right. NYC is a very comfortable place for Russians to play and despite our frustrations at times, this is a team with a realistic chance to win the cup each year. You're too doom and gloom! :)
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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.
Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.
Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
I'm not too worried about Igor wanting to re-sign here as long as the money is right. NYC is a very comfortable place for Russians to play and despite our frustrations at times, this is a team with a realistic chance to win the cup each year. You're too doom and gloom! :)
Lol...I hope you're right. We have been spoiled with our goalie lineage all the way back to Giacomin, Vanbiesbrouck, Davidson, Richter, Hank, and now Igor with a smattering of others in between. What a run, and only 1 cup.
The good news
Every game is close. We're not getting blown out.
We're pretty much evenly matched.
I trust this regime to make necessary adjustments
It's a best of 3 series with 2 games being at home.
Lafreniere is a stud.
The bad news
Top stars are disappearing. Mika, Panarin, Kreider.
Our PP still hasn't done much.
Rangers are allergic to clearing the zone. That's why they're losing.
Closing thoughts: Dear Lord in Heaven, Rangers in 7.
Also, the guy who said they cannot see the Rangers winning two games at home, OK, good point. Save me the hassle of watching the games because you said so. Forgot Florida went to the cup and everything last year.
But do those guys have the 1994 grit in them?
Or are they just ... Dan Girardi and Rick Nash? How will we remember this crop?
Or put differently, I don't think the Panthers can play much better than they have but the Rangers can - and the recipe for it isn't so hard to figure out. Plus Fox looking better is huge. And home ice should help Z and Kreider.
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The good news
Every game is close. We're not getting blown out.
We're pretty much evenly matched.
I trust this regime to make necessary adjustments
It's a best of 3 series with 2 games being at home.
Lafreniere is a stud.
The bad news
Top stars are disappearing. Mika, Panarin, Kreider.
Our PP still hasn't done much.
Rangers are allergic to clearing the zone. That's why they're losing.
Closing thoughts: Dear Lord in Heaven, Rangers in 7.
The next time a Ranger dman makes some half assed flip that gets knocked down at the blue line I’m gonna have a fucking stroke
Aside, seems like real of last 3 years, Kyle, Brett,and I and others are in this same convo about the 'core.
Oh, and did DOPS suspend Bennett for his sucker punch on Marchand? Or was that a hockey play too? Brett and Kyle stay away from pj's leagues!!
Bon voyage back to MSG, don't redux this Game 5 at home thing
LGR
you could argue one leads to the other, but game 1 belies that theory as did some of the Bruins Panthers games.
FLA is susceptible to giving up odd-man rushes due to their aggressive o-zone and neutral zone schemes. NYR need to make them pay. They didn't make them pay in game 1 when Bobrovsky was phenomenal. Bob has just been ok since then, but the Rangers (at least in games 3 and 4) haven't pressured the FLA D and Bob enough.
My prediction is they will in game 5.
This was always going to be a coin flip series.
This was always going to be a coin flip series.
Last night was ridiculous. I forget and can't look it up something like 15 to 6 in scoring chances. Last night was a legit - Igor came close to stealing a game. I believe Bobrovsky was still a net negative, but it didn't matter the Rangers had so low xGF FLA could have had one of those fake plastic practice goalies in net and still won.
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The next time a Ranger dman makes some half assed flip that gets knocked down at the blue line I’m gonna have a fucking stroke
This~.
Florida's been impenetrable at the line but the Rangers have been lackadaisical. Were I an Xs an Os guy I'd think a combination of attention to getting the puck out by the D plus some plays taking of their crash the side boards tendency could solve this.
Cold: Rangers PP and PK
Special teams got the Rangers the President Cup and ECF’s
It’s missing in action right now..
I think Fox’s injury has had a big negative effect on PP in this series.
He looked much better last night.
I hope that Fox continues to improve.
I would like to see more ice time for LaFraniere on PP
With respect to D corps their have been multiple occasions where they had space to start moving the puck out of zone but they instantly start chipping the puck as soon as it hits their stick imv.
Game 5 is huge. Let’s play 60 minutes of intense and physical hockey
LGR
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I thought FL got higher quality chances last night than they did in 3.
This was always going to be a coin flip series.
Last night was ridiculous. I forget and can't look it up something like 15 to 6 in scoring chances. Last night was a legit - Igor came close to stealing a game. I believe Bobrovsky was still a net negative, but it didn't matter the Rangers had so low xGF FLA could have had one of those fake plastic practice goalies in net and still won.
On the flip side these games are brutal to watch. I've been watching this NY Rangers DNA for almost 60 years now. Nothing has changed over all the years except 1994 when Messier brought his friends with him to NY. They aren't built for the playoffs. Their best players want no part of this rough, dirty hockey.
The supposed 1st line has been worthless in this series, even on the power play. They're all worried about getting hit and have lost their poise.
Hopefully they find a way to win two more games. If they make it there the next round might be a better match up for them.