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NFT: Game 4: New York Rangers @ Florida Panthers Game Thread

BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 6:50 am
Good morning, Carl.

#lgr
Let's Go Rangers  
Gman11 : 5/28/2024 7:06 am : link
I'm hoping the OT loss after playing virtually the whole game in the Rangers end takes the steam out of the Panthers. If they come out flat, it will be the Rangers game for the taking. If they are even more determined then they're probably going back to MSG all even.

It looks to me that whoever wins this series takes the Cup. Nothing against Dallas or Edmonton, but these two teams seem to me to be the favorites.
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Route 9 : 5/28/2024 7:17 am : link
Keep it rolling, Brett.
Let’s go Rangers  
OBJRoyal : 5/28/2024 7:41 am : link
Come out strong and bury them
Good morning Brett  
Carl in CT : 5/28/2024 7:48 am : link
Huge game need to play our best. Let’s get that first line going!!
Break their spirit and come back to NY for the clincher  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 7:51 am : link
Let’s go!
Hate to say it  
Fast Eddie : 5/28/2024 8:10 am : link
but the Rangers were outplayed in the last game except for Igor. If he has less than stellar games coming up I don’t see us winning another game. Our finesse stars have been in the witness protection program and Florida seems to be waiting for every break out pass that undoubtedly goes to the points causing turnovers and way too much defensive zone time to protect. I hope I’m wrong and our stars begin to get their noses dirty instead of looking like they’re in the Ice Capades
I still can't believe they won game 3  
ShockNRoll : 5/28/2024 8:15 am : link
But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.
agree guys, take advantage of the stolen game by winning this one.  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 8:37 am : link
Rangers have to play more on the attack and in FLA zone, knock the around a little.

Excellent point Fast Eddie re "finesse stars have been in the witness protection program".
RE: I still can't believe they won game 3  
Big Rick in FL : 5/28/2024 8:58 am : link
In comment 16525554 ShockNRoll said:
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But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.


I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
Whichever of these two win this series will prolly win the Cup.  
Optimus-NY : 5/28/2024 8:59 am : link
The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
We need our scorers to start scoring  
averagejoe : 5/28/2024 9:01 am : link
if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
Trouba needs to stop these boneheaded, reckless plays and stay out of  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:05 am : link
The penalty box
RE: We need our scorers to start scoring  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 9:14 am : link
In comment 16525578 averagejoe said:
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if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!
I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.

As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.
RE: Trouba needs to stop these boneheaded, reckless plays and stay out of  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 9:14 am : link
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The penalty box
Agreed.
RE: Whichever of these two win this series will prolly win the Cup.  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 9:16 am : link
In comment 16525577 Optimus-NY said:
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.
Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.
Trouba last 2 games 14 blocked shots  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 9:25 am : link
Reduce the penalties from last game he has been effective
Bob is not the Panthers weak link  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 9:27 am : link
It’s their D corps if we can continue to get the puck behind them and go to work imv
Keandre Miller  
Maijay : 5/28/2024 9:31 am : link
has to step up his game. Those blind passes around the board wind up on the sticks of Panther defensemen. This leads to point shots which have resulted in Panther goals.
RE: RE: We need our scorers to start scoring  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 9:32 am : link
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if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!

I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.

As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.


Typical. 6 penalties taken but the Rangers but Rempe's is the only one mentioned. Rempe is fulfilling his role, forechecking, hitting, making traffic in front like on Goodrow's first goal. Most of the Top 6 are not. THEY (Artemy "soft as wonder Bread" Panarin, Mika, Kreider) are the problem. Laf and Trocheck are the only ones who don't look intimidated.
RE: Trouba last 2 games 14 blocked shots  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16525593 Rick in Dallas said:
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Reduce the penalties from last game he has been effective


exactly. and I'll take his penalties. He brings snarl that on Lindgren comes close too.
I can't imagine he plays Rempe tonight  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 9:35 am : link
Only trusted him 4 minutes the last game. That's no trust at all.

I wonder if Lav has considered moving Goodrow to the top line. He's red hot and can take pressure off of Zib by taking faceoffs.
RE: RE: Trouba last 2 games 14 blocked shots  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:38 am : link
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Reduce the penalties from last game he has been effective



exactly. and I'll take his penalties. He brings snarl that on Lindgren comes close too.


Why would you take his penalties? The Panthers have been spanking us on their PP.
I have a feeling we are going to get a good game tonight  
Essex : 5/28/2024 9:40 am : link
too many of our top players have been not been performing. When I saw Wennberg's speech when he got the hat, it seemed like he was pretty embarrassed by the way they performed. I am looking for a spirited effort tonight.

P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.
RE: RE: RE: We need our scorers to start scoring  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 9:41 am : link
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if they do we win this series. We cannot win depending on 4th line. Panarin looks petrified out there. Maybe he needs to sit. This is why Rempe needs to play. Mika and Kreider are both due. I hope tonight they break out. They scored 5 on Bob with very few shots. Don't play passive tonight and pressure him. They can't sit back and let Panthers control the game and win again. Play like we are down 2-1 and desperate . LGR !!

I don't recall who, but I did hear someone this morning talking about the top 6, Panarin in particular. They said go back and watch how the Panthers are going out of their way to slow him down, which does open things up for other guys on the ice.

As for Rempe, again, I think his impact is overblown. He plays less than 7 minutes a night and his penalty likely is the reason that was down to 4 minutes on Sunday. I like him, but he isn't some magic elixir. Yes, their record is very good when he plays. But, you know what? It is really very good when he doesn't play also. They won the President's Trophy for a reason.



Typical. 6 penalties taken but the Rangers but Rempe's is the only one mentioned. Rempe is fulfilling his role, forechecking, hitting, making traffic in front like on Goodrow's first goal. Most of the Top 6 are not. THEY (Artemy "soft as wonder Bread" Panarin, Mika, Kreider) are the problem. Laf and Trocheck are the only ones who don't look intimidated.
IT's not the only one mentioned. Trouba, for example, is getting plenty of attention. But, there was a conversation specific to Rempe and his penalty could 100% have been avoided. That's the kind of penalty that plays right into their hands. They want to goad their opponents into taking penalties like that out of frustration and then going on the PP.
RE: RE: RE: Trouba last 2 games 14 blocked shots  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 9:42 am : link
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Reduce the penalties from last game he has been effective



exactly. and I'll take his penalties. He brings snarl that on Lindgren comes close too.



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RE: RE: Whichever of these two win this series will prolly win the Cup.  
Optimus-NY : 5/28/2024 9:47 am : link
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.

Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.


Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?
I'm curious to see what the lineup looks like tonight  
ShockNRoll : 5/28/2024 9:50 am : link
Laviolette has not typically strayed from a lineup after a win, but it is definitely possible that Rempe sits in favor of Wheeler tonight. If that happened, the lineup could be drastically changed. Would Wheeler go back to 1RW? Or would they go back to Roslovic on the top line, or stick with Chytil? Then what does the 4th line look like with no Vesey or Rempe? My guess is we won't know what the lines look like until pregame, but I can see Laviolette shaking some things up tonight the way the majority of game 3 went.
RE: I have a feeling we are going to get a good game tonight  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:51 am : link
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P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.



The Rempe Effect is real, man. IDK what it is, but look at their record when he's in the lineup.

I think at this point, he'll only get taken out if/when Wheeler is ready to go. I think they're going to try to do everything they can to pull Zibanejad and Kreider out of their collective asses.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 9:52 am : link
Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.

Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
RE: RE: RE: Whichever of these two win this series will prolly win the Cup.  
ShockNRoll : 5/28/2024 9:54 am : link
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.

Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.



Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?


Florida went to Alex Lyon to start the playoffs, but when he had a hiccup, they went back to Bobrovsky who was pretty much lights out the rest of the way until the Cup Final. He is a Vezina finalist this year and until game 3, he had 7 games in a row giving up 2 or fewer goals. He's been quite enigmatic and largely disappointing since signing the huge contract in 2019 in terms of looking at his contract from a big picture, but starting with last year's playoffs through now, Bobrovsky is one of the top 5 goalies in the league.
RE: RE: I have a feeling we are going to get a good game tonight  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16525624 Anakim said:
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P.S. The Rempe debate is over, if you are only going to play him four minutes, scratch him. There is no sense in it.




The Rempe Effect is real, man. IDK what it is, but look at their record when he's in the lineup.

I think at this point, he'll only get taken out if/when Wheeler is ready to go. I think they're going to try to do everything they can to pull Zibanejad and Kreider out of their collective asses.


Damn right it is. He should be getting 2 shifts a period with the 4th line at minimum. They get the puck deep and bang the Cats around. And FLA has become very chippy as the series has progressed. The Rangers have been just taking it.

The attached article is their bigger problem. The big boys aren't producing.

Anakim, sorry I missed up my attempted response before. I meant I'll take Trouba's penalties because at least he is bringing a needed physical element. Obviously it would be better if he does that without getting whistled.
Rangers not getting production from stars who carried them here - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: Whichever of these two win this series will prolly win the Cup.  
Optimus-NY : 5/28/2024 10:02 am : link
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The Panthers are formidable. Bobrovsky's their weak link though.

Bobrovsky? Interesting, considering many thought he was a big x factor to prefer Boston to Florida as an opponent.



Wasn't he weak last year and had to be replaced?



Florida went to Alex Lyon to start the playoffs, but when he had a hiccup, they went back to Bobrovsky who was pretty much lights out the rest of the way until the Cup Final. He is a Vezina finalist this year and until game 3, he had 7 games in a row giving up 2 or fewer goals. He's been quite enigmatic and largely disappointing since signing the huge contract in 2019 in terms of looking at his contract from a big picture, but starting with last year's playoffs through now, Bobrovsky is one of the top 5 goalies in the league.


Fair enough, but the Rangers have still got the edge in net.
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x meadowlander : 5/28/2024 10:02 am : link
In comment 16525626 BrettNYG10 said:
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Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.

Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.
It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.

SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.

As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.

Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
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Matt M. : 5/28/2024 10:07 am : link
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Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.

Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.

It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.

SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.

As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.

Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)
Exactly. For all the criticism coming out now because they had a tough series against Carolina and now Florida, has everyone forgotten the regular season. This Rangers team played like this all year long. They routinely had to comeback late in games. They routinely played tight games. Igor routinely had to stand on his head for 3rd period barrages. They routinely won on nights they didn't have their best games by playing gritty and taking advantage of opportunities. They routinely got ST goals. This has been their MO all year long. Plus, Carolina and Florida are probably their stiffest competition all year long.
puck control is key  
djm : 5/28/2024 10:18 am : link
if NYR can control the flow or dictate play just a little bit more than last game or closer to 50% of the time and they shoot the puck on net they will find themselves with a 3-1 lead in the game and a 3-1 lead in the series.

Play a near carbon copy of game 2. Get the puck on net you don't need to setup the most amazing sequence of passes to beat this guy in net. He's average. LFG.
Florida played their A+ game Sunday and lost.  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 10:41 am : link
They've got to be pretty frustrated. They are looking for things to tweak and there aren't any. The Rangers go in knowing exactly how Florida will play.
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 10:49 am : link
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Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.

Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.

It isn't luck. 34 comeback wins isn't luck - Rangers are OUTSTANDING at turning on the jets when they need to - great teams get the breaks, get the bounces. Having a lights-out goalie affords teams to be more offensive in their game planning. So the Rangers use a game featuring LOT of high-risk-reward passing that turns the puck over a ton.

SOG through these playoffs was predictable and won't change - if the Rangers keep playing their game, the tables will shift more, the Panthers will become more aggressive, draw more penalties and things should begin to open up.

As some have noted, 10 and 93 haven't been playing poorly, per se - they have been gameplanned against.

Hopefully, no more of these heart-attack OT's. I need my sleep. :)


The Rangers, Hurricanes, and Panthers are all roughly equivalent caliber teams--but the Rangers have won every OT. That's a bit lucky.
Luck always plays a role in championships  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 11:15 am : link
The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins
Rempe and FLA cheap shot artists  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 11:20 am : link
- first, as a holdover from Friday's game, I posted that Lonberg's 'looked like a head shot' when he knocked Vesey out of the game (week to week, I suspect it's not a shoulder but concussion). Our acknowledged and clearcut hockey savant (in full agreement) and his running dog Anakim (:> said it was clear that it was NOT a headshot.
What do you see here thread vets?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1795181723170300087

the Rempe effect is real, even if his actual TOI is discounted to game impact. As teams were exiting ice after Wennberg's OT winner, Tkachuk and another Panther poked and prodded him with their sticks, he didn't take the bait and then linesmen intervened (surprised Sutherland didn't hand him a GMisconduct for tonight). He's in their heads, just like Panthers are hunting high, such as these:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1795249048280240377

https://twitter.com/i/status/1795265691727368496

I think Maurice doubles down on FLA heavy forecheck, intimidation game because directly or indirectly it has completely taken the 'first' line and Panarin out of the game. Why would he change anything? Zib has that haunted, hangdog look on the bench and Fast Eddie (agree w/your post) went w/ my months' old Ice Capades meme for CK (:>

Rangers' d-men have to be much quicker getting the pucks off their sticks and by that I don't mean mindlessly trying to clear up along the wall. Collectively Sunday, they gave a poor account of themselves and the absence of the backcheck by the usual suspects is not making it any easier.
RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
Optimus-NY : 5/28/2024 11:23 am : link
In comment 16525677 Greg from LI said:
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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins


I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.
RE: RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 11:33 am : link
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I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.


That damned goal turned the entire series. The Rangers would have gone into the third period up 3-1 in the game. Winning that game would put them up 3-1 in the series, heading back to MSG with a chance to close out the series.

Instead, Francis takes a shot from center ice with six seconds left in the period, it takes a goofy bounce and goes over Richter's shoulder, and the Pens suddenly had new life. Win that game in OT and the next two games after it. That was as bitter a loss as I've ever experienced.
RE: I can't imagine he plays Rempe tonight  
BC Eagles94 : 5/28/2024 11:40 am : link
In comment 16525606 Ron Johnson said:
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Only trusted him 4 minutes the last game. That's no trust at all.

I wonder if Lav has considered moving Goodrow to the top line. He's red hot and can take pressure off of Zib by taking faceoffs.


Agreed. I can see him back in the lineup in game 5 where Lavi can control the matchups better with last change. But I'm not sure we see him again tonight in Florida. The question is, if he comes out...do we see Brodzinski or Wheeler? My vote is Wheeler. Brodzinski has been invisible in the playoff games he's played. Maybe Wheeler can provide a small jolt to the lineup. You know his teammates would be pumped after what he went through with the bad leg injury. Not to mention Wheeler has never won a cup having played nearly 1200 games in regular season over 16 seasons.
lol  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 11:40 am : link
it's a shoulder to shoulder hit. Dirty? Late? whatever else is not in debate, but it was not a head shot.

Lomberg is 5' 9" (with skates on) and Vesey is 6' 3" even leaning it would be a neat trick for Lomberg's shoulder to connect with Vesey's head. The league reviews all head shots. Trouba was fined for his elbow. Was Lomberg fined?

No? Know why? It wasn't a head shot.
I don't know that putting a glacially slow guy into the lineup  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 11:52 am : link
is going to have the effect you might be thinking it would
RE: RE: RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 11:55 am : link
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I remember that. Hated those Pens teams and Tom Barrasso in net for them. Eff Ron Francis too. That fluke goal Richter allowed to him is still haunting.



That damned goal turned the entire series. The Rangers would have gone into the third period up 3-1 in the game. Winning that game would put them up 3-1 in the series, heading back to MSG with a chance to close out the series.

Instead, Francis takes a shot from center ice with six seconds left in the period, it takes a goofy bounce and goes over Richter's shoulder, and the Pens suddenly had new life. Win that game in OT and the next two games after it. That was as bitter a loss as I've ever experienced.


Yup. Horrible memory. That building was silent, that "why not" went in and they're all screaming 1940. I questioned if I would ever see them win it after that series.
it was definitely a dirty hit  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 11:55 am : link
The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.
Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 11:58 am : link
putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.

And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.
I have no issues with the way Florida is playing the game  
bigbluehoya : 5/28/2024 11:58 am : link
but entirely too much was made of the Trouba hit. Call on the ice was right, no argument and I'm not going to say it was clean.

Fine feels a little excessive, but it's not my money and I really don't give a shit.

The rear and shows that the contact was pretty clearly not to the head, and the theatrics from Rodrigues were utterly ridiculous. Hardly missed a shift.

The twitter reactions and the stuff from guys like Subban (of all fucking people) are ridiculous.
rear *angle*  
bigbluehoya : 5/28/2024 11:58 am : link
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djm : 5/28/2024 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16525626 BrettNYG10 said:
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Rangers have had a horseshoe stuck up their ass. 4 OT wins so far. And Bobrovsky was ass Sunday.

Hopefully we can play a dominating game tonight.


Channeling our inner 1993 Montreal Canadians cup run.

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Take a team (Montreal) winning 10 consecutive overtime games in one post-season, for instance. While skeptics’ hands were likely growing callused from raising red flags over the Canadiens’ credibility, mine were clapping louder and louder with every extra-time win, each victory confirming the unassailable logic that Forum ghosts could always be counted on to deliver the goods. Storming back to win four straight against the Nordiques after falling behind 2–0 in the series? Sure thing. Three of four wins in a sweep of Buffalo coming in OT? Sounds about right.


It's been done. 6 more. Just keep going.
link to 1993  
djm : 5/28/2024 12:00 pm : link
..
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RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
djm : 5/28/2024 12:05 pm : link
In comment 16525677 Greg from LI said:
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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins


Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.
RE: it was definitely a dirty hit  
Stufftherun : 5/28/2024 12:07 pm : link
In comment 16525704 Greg from LI said:
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The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.


I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 12:11 pm : link
In comment 16525705 Victor in CT said:
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putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.

And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.


Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Question - does anyone watch the playoffs with the sound off?  
David in Belmont : 5/28/2024 12:13 pm : link
and listen to the Rangers' announcers on radio. Is the radio broadcast synchronized so you can do that?

Also, anyone heard how Sam Rosen is doing?

Thanks
RE: Trouba needs to stop these boneheaded, reckless plays and stay out of  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/28/2024 12:14 pm : link
In comment 16525580 Anakim said:
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The penalty box


The issue is the Panthers do them too. They just don’t get called. Is BS. Along w their making the best use of their SAG cards acting and laying paying on the ice then not missing a single shift
RE: RE: I still can't believe they won game 3  
Bear vs Shark : 5/28/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16525576 Big Rick in FL said:
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But that is the beauty of this team, that they can win ugly, and win games they play nowhere near their best. That said, this series is far from over and if the Rangers play game 4 the way they played game 3, they're most likely going back to the Garden tied up on Thursday night. Through 3 games the Rangers do not have a goal out of Mika, Kreider, or Panarin and the PP is 0-8. If they're going to close out this series, those things need to change, and the defensemen need to be more careful with the puck in their own end. The turnovers are happening at an alarming rate, mostly due to Florida's relentless forecheck, but some are unforced as well. I'm loving the unsung heroes that are being born in these playoffs, and ultimately don't care who scores the big goals, but it would be nice to see one or more of the big guns fire it up for the next 3-4 weeks.



I don't watch hockey at all so I have no idea if it's true with the entire sport. I say it about football & soccer all the time. The teams that can play a bad/ugly game and still pull out wins is typically the team that goes on to win the title.
I get what you're saying, but NYR was blown off the fucking ice last game.
RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16525719 Ron Johnson said:
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Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.


Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.
I think this has been a pretty fairly  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 12:32 pm : link
called series.

not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 12:35 pm : link
Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.

Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.
RE: RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16525738 Greg from LI said:
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Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.



Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.


Thank you. And Messier LOVES him. Good enough for me.
The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 12:54 pm : link
Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.
Look, I really want to like Wheeler  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 12:55 pm : link
He's had a very good career, he's clearly a big team guy (cheering them on like a madman at the games). He's just SO slow now.
RE: RE: Luck always plays a role in championships  
Victor in CT : 5/28/2024 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16525713 djm said:
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In comment 16525677 Greg from LI said:


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The '94 Rangers caught a big break when the Caps upset the Penguins, the Rangers' nemesis. They played the Lemieux Penguins three times in the playoffs (1989, '92, '96) and lost all three times. The Rangers were 5-1 against the Caps and 6-0 against the Devils in the regular season, but only 2-2 against the Penguins



Same with those 93 Canadians avoiding Pitt. And the caps for that matter. The Dale Hunter memorial.


That was the year Lemieux was sick with cancer if I recall.
RE: RE: it was definitely a dirty hit  
schabadoo : 5/28/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16525717 Stufftherun said:
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In comment 16525704 Greg from LI said:


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The puck isn't even in the picture when Vesey gets hit.



I felt it was late/dirty and though I don’t have then benefit of a recording, I believe the dwarf headed beaver toothed creature accentuated the hit by jumping into Vesey as well.


Has Lonberg's elbow been discussed? I just saw it this morning for the first time.
Elbow to the head away from play - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
x meadowlander : 5/28/2024 1:11 pm : link
In comment 16525719 Ron Johnson said:
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putting himself in he conversation but he's too slow.

And what exactly has Chytil done after a similar layoff to make anyone think Wheeler would be any better. He's older, slower.



Rempe is quite slow himself. With Wheeler in limited minutes you're probably hoping for no mistakes and maybe his vet savvy produces a scoring chance or 2.
Rempe has some negatives for sure, but speed isn't one of them. Kid is FAST.
Rangers will see the full force of Panthers physical play tonight  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 1:19 pm : link
Need to keep their heads up for sure .
I wish we played a little heavier game against them.
LGR
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 1:29 pm : link
In comment 16525754 Greg from LI said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.
Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.
I think refs have been fine overall  
ciggy : 5/28/2024 1:30 pm : link
They have missed a few but that goes both ways. Florida just plays a much heavier game.

I will say that the Romberg video shown above looks more egregious than any of the other angles i saw on TV.

As to Rempe, I love the kids enthusiasm but playing him in away games does not work. And if he is only playing 4 minutes, it definitely does not work. Play him at home when you control the matchups.
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 1:42 pm : link
In comment 16525754 Greg from LI said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.


Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?
RE: Wheeler was on fumes when he got hurt. All credit to him for even  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 1:44 pm : link
In comment 16525738 Greg from LI said:
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...Rempe's a better skater than you might think for a giant. He's no speedster but he's definitely faster than Wheeler is at this point in his career.

He's definitely not slow, but it does take him a few strides to get those long legs going. When they do, he covers a lot of ice...fast. It's unmistakeable. True he's not reading opponents' transitions well at this point, but he more than most on team can recover ground.

Wheeler? Wheeler? Buehler? Why are we talking about him. He was quite cooked before the injury. As said last week, I think he played RW1 for ~ 20 games before notching a goal, and it was an empty net, keeper drawn out wide near post.
RE: I think this has been a pretty fairly  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 2:01 pm : link
In comment 16525740 pjcas18 said:
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called series.
not trying to change anyone's mind, fans always think it's worse for their team, it's human nature, but not having a dog in the fight, I don't think the refs have been bad at all.

Well, you do have a dog, a +1500 dog (:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Vesey because to me the video is pretty clear.

Called fairly? "Fair" has broad parameters, maybe refs have not been egregious. But even rules expert Jackson fumfered on the whistle that stopped a Rangers 3 on 2 in its tracks because Bennett (?) fell to the ice after a check holding his hand? wtf and upper body injury not even in question. Best he could do is say refs sometimes get it wrong.

How, pj, in what world is there officiating risk in letting the rush play out where it was clear beyond doubt that Bennett was not going to impact play one way or the other? He was by that point 40' behind. He wasn't gushing blood. He wasn't prone and comatose.
The inadvertant or inexplicable  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 2:12 pm : link
whistle was wrong, still don't think that makes it a poorly called series through three games.

Even with the money at stake I don't think it clouds my judgment. I obviously want NYR to win.
RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 2:19 pm : link
In comment 16525787 Route 9 said:
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Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?


Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.
RE: ....  
djm : 5/28/2024 2:24 pm : link
In comment 16525744 BrettNYG10 said:
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Pointing out the role of luck isn't some insult. I can't think of a championship team who didn't have some luck. We also had some bad luck with the Fox injury, so take what we can get.

Thanks for sharing that, djm, I didn't realize that about the '93 Habs.



Yep I hear you. Patrick Roy was ridiculous for the habs in that run. Beyond ridiculous. For a legendary career this was Roy’s signature moment, in my view.
oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 2:44 pm : link
THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor.
Link - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 2:46 pm : link
In comment 16525820 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16525787 Route 9 said:


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Was it the 3 on 2 in the first period?



Yes. Bennett got jostled, lost the puck, knew the Rangers had an odd man rush, so he crumpled to the ice as if he were shot.


I still don't understand why the whistle was blown. Did they even explain it or it come up again or ... Anything?
......  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 2:46 pm : link
Just a stoppage for injury?
Had to be  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 2:53 pm : link
No other possible reason for the whistle
RE: Had to be  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16525853 Greg from LI said:
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No other possible reason for the whistle


Yep. I called bullshit with the naked eye.
IMO the ref overreacted  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 2:59 pm : link
and thought the Panthers player was in distress. It is unusual for hockey, you usually need to be leaking or not moving for the refs to blow the whistle if your team doesn't have the puck and even then if you're leaking needs to be severe not just your average lost a bunch of chiclets scenario.

it was a mistake, but (from memory so I could be wrong) the puck was still on the Panthers side of the red line, so it was a potential odd-man rush, but not quite as egregious as some fans make it.
RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
schabadoo : 5/28/2024 3:09 pm : link
In comment 16525843 Greg from LI said:
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THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )


Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.

Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
I've just never seen a whistle that quick in such a scenario  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:10 pm : link
Because it gives every incentive possible for players to dive when the puck goes the other way. If there's a potential odd man rush, they always let that play out and then, if the player remains on the ice, blow the whistle afterwards.
RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16525886 schabadoo said:
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Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.


There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.

This is a supremely dirty team.
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RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16525886 schabadoo said:
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In comment 16525843 Greg from LI said:


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THIS is the really dirty hit, not so much the earlier one. This is the one that took Vesey out of the series and yet didn't even get a minor. Link - ( New Window )



Right. I posted that too, hadn't seen it before today.

Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.
Is the word on Vesey a head (or rather "upper body") injury?
the official word is week to week with an upper body injury  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:17 pm : link
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Oh and FWIW  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:18 pm : link
Okposo is in for Florida and Lomberg is out
also Cousins out, Lorentz in  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:23 pm : link
Seems a bit panicky for Florida to make two forward substitutions, but we'll see what happens.

RE: the official word is week to week with an upper body injury  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:30 pm : link
In comment 16525896 Greg from LI said:
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Thanks. It was definitely a dirty hit. But, it's hard to tell just how hard he hit him or exactly where, that it would force him out. That's nuts.
Matt, did you watch the video I linked?  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:32 pm : link
It was an elbow to the side of the head.
RE: Matt, did you watch the video I linked?  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16525910 Greg from LI said:
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It was an elbow to the side of the head.
I did. It looked like the back of the head or neck.
RE: RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Costy16 : 5/28/2024 3:39 pm : link
In comment 16525775 Matt M. said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.

Yup. I discussed this a bit before the series. They are a sneaky dirty team. I say sneaky because we know they are physical, but they are not overtly dirty. They do a lot at/after the whistle quickly to try to elicit a response, which is more likely to get the attention of the refs. Diving is another tactic along those lines. They love to goad opponents, hoping to get a PP or two.


Have you noticed how they've gone after the Rangers in goal celebrations? Tkahcuk tried to bait Rempe after Wennberg's OT winner on Sunday. I think Rempe might have chirped at him, but still. The refs had to get in front of Tkachuk.
RE: RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 3:40 pm : link
In comment 16525891 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16525886 schabadoo said:


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Non-stop chatter about Trouba almost hitting people during play, these MFers are literally knocking players out of games away from the puck.



There's also a video of Rodrigues attempting, and missing, a flying elbow on Wennberg.

This is a supremely dirty team. Link - ( New Window )
Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?
Yep.  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:46 pm : link
OEL followed Laf after his spectacular goal and gave him a shove into the boards.
RE: RE: RE: RE: oh and since we were talking about Vesey/Lomberg  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16525913 Matt M. said:
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Are these videos being submitted to the league formally by the Rangers? Any chance they start calling the Panthers for some of this shit? Or is it more likely they just call the whole game tighter and the Rangers get screwed some more?


I don't know. I suspect they are, and I also suspect it won't make any difference.
I think the series has been called fairly  
HBart : 5/28/2024 3:51 pm : link
But with the Rangers a couple calls/nons in the red. The blown whistle play acting job that's been all over the web shows the refs up; maybe it bears fruit for the Rangers with a dive call before the series is over.
RE: Yep.  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 4:00 pm : link
In comment 16525917 Greg from LI said:
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OEL followed Laf after his spectacular goal and gave him a shove into the boards.
Yeah, I saw that and it looked like it got the attention of some Rangers, which got the attention of the officials. This is what I mean. The Panthers do shit like this all the time and hope for retaliation to get a PP.
lol  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 4:04 pm : link
you guys remind me of Rain Man with your serious injury list.

What list are you talking about??  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 4:22 pm : link
Anyway, back to Costy's point, I forgot about this one - Verhaeghe punching Laf in the face after Trocheck's game 2 goal because he was mad that Laf leveled him a few seconds before the goal.
Link - ( New Window )
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BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 4:40 pm : link
I think the officiating has been fair but not good, lol.

I think the officiating the past few years in the playoffs has been pretty bad.
RE: Question - does anyone watch the playoffs with the sound off?  
bluesince56 : 5/28/2024 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16525721 David in Belmont said:
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and listen to the Rangers' announcers on radio. Is the radio broadcast synchronized so you can do that?

Also, anyone heard how Sam Rosen is doing?

Thanks


I do. Much better
I just hate the excuse of not wanting to impact the outcome  
Matt M. : 5/28/2024 4:43 pm : link
That's bullshit and always has been. NOT calling a foul or penalty is just as impactful on the outcome as calling something. The time of the game doesn't matter. If it's a penalty, blow the whistle. Period. Because not doing so only punishes the team on the receiving end of the poor play.
RE: I just hate the excuse of not wanting to impact the outcome  
BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16525963 Matt M. said:
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That's bullshit and always has been. NOT calling a foul or penalty is just as impactful on the outcome as calling something. The time of the game doesn't matter. If it's a penalty, blow the whistle. Period. Because not doing so only punishes the team on the receiving end of the poor play.


Not calling penalties is tilting the game in favor of the team committing uncalled penalties. It's such dumb logic to argue they shouldn't impact plays.
*they shouldn't impact games by swallowing the whistle.  
BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 4:46 pm : link
Is what I meant.
RE: *they shouldn't impact games by swallowing the whistle.  
Dr. D : 5/28/2024 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16525965 BrettNYG10 said:
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Is what I meant.

I'll give 'em something to swallow.

that's all I've got..

LGR!
In all likelihood  
Jerry in_DC : 5/28/2024 6:24 pm : link
We will get outshot, out hit, out zone-timed - we've seen enough that we are not going to dominate the run of play against Florida. Or even against Carolina.

But we can still win. We can still score. We can be good on the rush. We could just get lucky. Maybe we can even score a PP goal.

We are good enough to be a 50/50 proposition against all the best teams in the league. To win a Cup, you generally need to be on the good side of a lot of 50/50 situations.

Whatever happens, it's super fun. It's fun to be good. It's fun to play in big games with a chance to win a title. This is exactly what is fun about being a sports fan. I'm loving this.
RE: In all likelihood  
djm : 5/28/2024 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16526022 Jerry in_DC said:
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We will get outshot, out hit, out zone-timed - we've seen enough that we are not going to dominate the run of play against Florida. Or even against Carolina.

But we can still win. We can still score. We can be good on the rush. We could just get lucky. Maybe we can even score a PP goal.

We are good enough to be a 50/50 proposition against all the best teams in the league. To win a Cup, you generally need to be on the good side of a lot of 50/50 situations.

Whatever happens, it's super fun. It's fun to be good. It's fun to play in big games with a chance to win a title. This is exactly what is fun about being a sports fan. I'm loving this.


Well said. Let’s fucking go!!
Florida is a team of pests  
Mattman : 5/28/2024 7:13 pm : link
They try to go right on the line and a bit over to throw you off your game and get some retaliation penalties.

It works in the playoffs with the likes of Claude Lemieux, Marchand, Tom Wilson and others. Hell, Tik was one of my all time favorite rangers.

Messier loves Rempe as he brings that same energy and is a throwback pest/enforcer.
RE: The Panthers need to start getting called for diving  
Dave : 5/28/2024 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16525754 Greg from LI said:
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Because they're doing a lot of it. I still can't believe they whistled play dead with the Rangers started a 3 on 2 when Bennett acted as if he were shot in the hand, and I've already mentioned what a joke Rodrigues' performance was after the Trouba hit.

I dislike that team.


+1
Looks like Chytil is scratched.  
Mad Mike : 5/28/2024 7:42 pm : link
Unclear if it's Wheeler or Brodz in for him.
Per Mollie and MSG  
Mark in ATL : 5/28/2024 7:50 pm : link
warmup lines vs. Florida:

Kreider-Zibanejad-Roslovic
Panarin-Trocheck-Lafrenière
Cuylle-Wennberg-Kakko
Wheeler-Goodrow-Rempe
RE: Looks like Chytil is scratched.  
Bear vs Shark : 5/28/2024 7:51 pm : link
In comment 16526096 Mad Mike said:
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Unclear if it's Wheeler or Brodz in for him.
why? Just don't get it
Fourth line feels very weak  
Bear vs Shark : 5/28/2024 7:52 pm : link
Let's see how it goes...
Shit: is Chytil injured???  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 7:53 pm : link
I thought he looked very good after being out 6 months
RE: Shit: is Chytil injured???  
Mad Mike : 5/28/2024 7:55 pm : link
In comment 16526107 Rick in Dallas said:
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I thought he looked very good after being out 6 months

They say he's healthy. The official line is just managing his workload after such a long layoff. Who knows...
.  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 7:55 pm : link
Rangers Videos
@SNYRangers
Filip Chytil is a healthy scratch for the Rangers tonight
RE: Fourth line feels very weak  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 7:58 pm : link
In comment 16526104 Bear vs Shark said:
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Let's see how it goes...


So far, PL has pulled all the right levers. They are 10-3 in the playoffs. I think we owe him a little latitude in his decision for the moment, no?
Wheeler!  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 7:58 pm : link
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Help!!! How do you find the he Rangers radio broadcast  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 8:13 pm : link
Can’t stand ESPN announcers
I mute the TV
That’s a bad penalty  
Essex : 5/28/2024 8:27 pm : link
Especially since I thought we started pretty well over first 4 minutes
Check the refs  
bubba0825 : 5/28/2024 8:27 pm : link
Online gambling activity
So the panthers can do it to Toruba after the play  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2024 8:28 pm : link
but Rangers cant do it to the panthers? got it
RE: So the panthers can do it to Toruba after the play  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/28/2024 8:30 pm : link
In comment 16526133 nygiants16 said:
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but Rangers cant do it to the panthers? got it


Said the same thing. It’s as if the refs have the mindset of “well that’s how the Panthers play so we’ll let it go”
Igor looking  
RodneyHamp : 5/28/2024 8:31 pm : link
very sharp so far.
RE: Help!!! How do you find the he Rangers radio broadcast  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 8:32 pm : link
In comment 16526123 Rick in Dallas said:
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Can’t stand ESPN announcers
I mute the TV


NHL app has it
Nice  
schabadoo : 5/28/2024 8:37 pm : link
PP gets going and maybe we can breathe a bit.
What a snipe!!!  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/28/2024 8:37 pm : link
Let’s gooo
Attaboy Vinny!!!  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 8:38 pm : link
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Post and in  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 8:38 pm : link
TROCHECK PP
High blocker side again  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 5/28/2024 8:38 pm : link
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Here's a link to the game:  
Optimus-NY : 5/28/2024 8:39 pm : link
#LGR!


New York Rangers @ Florida Panthers: Game 4 ECF - ESPN - 8:20 pm EDT start - ( New Window )
Cross bar  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 8:40 pm : link
Head shot on Goodrow...refs?
ESPN  
bubba0825 : 5/28/2024 8:41 pm : link
Seems like they are lobbying for trouba to get suspended.
RE: Help!!! How do you find the he Rangers radio broadcast  
shyster : 5/28/2024 8:45 pm : link
In comment 16526123 Rick in Dallas said:
Quote:
Can’t stand ESPN announcers
I mute the TV


link below

tunein has a deal with NHL, so this is legit
tunein - ( New Window )
Great call  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 8:46 pm : link
By Lav to send the first pp unit back out for the last 30 seconds. I think he caught them by surprise
KK  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 8:47 pm : link
looking good, made nice play in PP2 just before Vinnie
last night Trocheck would have been whistled  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 8:54 pm : link
for embellishment
Our best period by far  
Essex : 5/28/2024 8:57 pm : link
Just sucks we couldn’t get the second.
That was a great period for the Rangers...  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 8:58 pm : link
...
Thanks guys  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 8:58 pm : link
Rangers with a terrific period
Yeah!!!PP
RE: Our best period by far  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 9:00 pm : link
Essex, wave your wand for 5 more this series
RE: Our best period by far  
kcgiants : 5/28/2024 9:06 pm : link
In comment 16526157 Essex said:
Quote:
Just sucks we couldn’t get the second.


Nope, the best two periods were the OT periods!!!!!! LOL
That was indeed their best period in a long time  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 9:07 pm : link
Achingly close to a 2-0 lead if Zibby’s PP chance had been an inch lower
Wouldn't it be a great time for Igor's first playiff shutout?  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:15 pm : link
Hmmm? Hmmm?

Let's GO!
What happened?  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:21 pm : link
Theyre flat as hell right now
Someone said Rempe is slow?  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 9:27 pm : link
Lavvy giving him some ice time
Weak sauce on that call  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:29 pm : link
...
terrific save  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 9:31 pm : link
.
We’re playing like total ass in this period  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:33 pm : link
The Panthers were going to score eventually and they did
Son of a bitch...  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:33 pm : link
....
Horrendous first ten minutes  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:36 pm : link
Bob can take a vacation back there. Igor needs to stand on his head again. We’re lucky they only scored one goal this period.
They have to stop trying tobjust dump the puck out. It's  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:38 pm : link
Turnover city again. It never works. Skate.
As good as the first was is as bad is the second has been  
Essex : 5/28/2024 9:38 pm : link
Disappointing
That sucks  
HBart : 5/28/2024 9:38 pm : link
The momentum was about to turn on that penalty kill.

No idea what to expect now.
And on cue....they dump it into the crowd, pp FL  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:38 pm : link
Stupid.
Kreider playing Casper the Ghost  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 9:39 pm : link
Such a disappointment in a physical game
Goddamn, how can they look that good in the first  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 9:39 pm : link
And this bad in the second??
An own goal, now a delay of game  
schabadoo : 5/28/2024 9:39 pm : link
This is self-sabotage.
Feel like this series and the Carolina period  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/28/2024 9:41 pm : link
neither opponent has had a sloppy game, or even a sloppy period. Whereas the Rangers have had a few.
RE: That sucks  
Essex : 5/28/2024 9:41 pm : link
In comment 16526200 HBart said:
Quote:
The momentum was about to turn on that penalty kill.

No idea what to expect now.


That is over the bar?
Unbelievable  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:41 pm : link
What happened? Where's the team from the first period?
Hopefully this is the time  
jgambrosio : 5/28/2024 9:41 pm : link
Where they realize they need to take their head out of their ass
Wake the fuck up  
redbeard : 5/28/2024 9:42 pm : link
Jesus boys. Doesn’t even look like the same team from the first period
What the hell has gone wrong with the PK??  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 9:43 pm : link
Can’t stop shit lately
Gotta bury one here.  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:44 pm : link
..
This is what happens  
Costy16 : 5/28/2024 9:44 pm : link
When you spend all period pussyfooting around and flipping the puck out of your own end to the NZ. Not a single fucking guy has tried to carry the puck out of the zone. The forecheck has been an embarrassment.
Wheeler  
regischarlotte : 5/28/2024 9:44 pm : link
looking like a brilliant move so far.
RE: What the hell has gone wrong with the PK??  
Essex : 5/28/2024 9:45 pm : link
In comment 16526212 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
Can’t stop shit lately

They don’t have the will or desire to clear this shitstains from in front of the net
Florida  
AcidTest : 5/28/2024 9:45 pm : link
has had a lot more chances than the Rangers this period. I would have been surprised if they hadn't scored at least one goal.

Still a lot of hockey left to play.
Nightly gaffe by panarin  
jgambrosio : 5/28/2024 9:48 pm : link
.
What a shit pp  
Gforce11 : 5/28/2024 9:48 pm : link
Fucking lazy.
Disgusting  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:49 pm : link
Total fucking ass
Kreider, Panarin, Zibanejad  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:49 pm : link
All playing like they don't give a shit. No urgency. No creativity. Hardly any moving.
This is embarrassing now.  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:49 pm : link
...
Junk  
Kanavis : 5/28/2024 9:49 pm : link
Lifeless . 180 from the first period
Woukd be nice if Kreider, Mika and Panarin would show up  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2024 9:50 pm : link
playing like complete and utter dogshit
The  
AcidTest : 5/28/2024 9:50 pm : link
Rangers are really sloppy right now. A few bad giveaways in their own end led to two good chances for Florida.
How do we look so fast and so crisp with the puck in the first  
Essex : 5/28/2024 9:50 pm : link
To so slow and this shit in the second period
Bread and Krieder look like they  
redbeard : 5/28/2024 9:50 pm : link
Have zero interest in playing this type of game

At least Zibby is getting some shots
This is a fucking joke of a period  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 9:51 pm : link
A fucking joke.
This fucking team  
Gforce11 : 5/28/2024 9:51 pm : link
Can never play 60 mins of hockey.
3 "stars"  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2024 9:51 pm : link
getting bailed out by everyone else on the team
RE: Kreider, Panarin, Zibanejad  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:52 pm : link
In comment 16526229 Anakim said:
Quote:
All playing like they don't give a shit. No urgency. No creativity. Hardly any moving.


The whole team is playing timid.
This team  
dlauster : 5/28/2024 9:52 pm : link
Drives me nuts. My heart can’t take this.
RE: 3  
bluesince56 : 5/28/2024 9:53 pm : link
In comment 16526239 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
getting bailed out by everyone else on the team


Stars??????
Rempe  
Costy16 : 5/28/2024 9:53 pm : link
Has played well and is nowhere to be found.
At this point demote the top line to #4 to send a message  
jgambrosio : 5/28/2024 9:54 pm : link
And move the rest up one. Who cares if Rempe doubles his 3 minutes of ice time. At least he gives a shit.
We try to go in one on one and can't gain the zone  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:54 pm : link
We try to chip out all alone and two Panthers keep it in.
RE: At this point demote the top line to #4 to send a message  
bluesince56 : 5/28/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16526246 jgambrosio said:
Quote:
And move the rest up one. Who cares if Rempe doubles his 3 minutes of ice time. At least he gives a shit.


Agree
Just get the fuck out of this period  
redbeard : 5/28/2024 9:55 pm : link
Gross
I  
AcidTest : 5/28/2024 9:58 pm : link
agree with the commentators. The Rangers goalie has been fantastic. The problem is that the defense in front of him has been poor.
I guess we'll see what they're made of  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 9:58 pm : link
With this third period respond. Will they cave or rise? They're one shot from tying it up
Tkachuk goes into Igor at the end, no call.  
Gforce11 : 5/28/2024 9:59 pm : link
No replay.
I feel like every time the K'Andre-Trouba pair is on the ice  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:01 pm : link
We're pinned in our own end. IDK the metrics, but it definitely felt like that.
RE: I guess we'll see what they're made of  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:02 pm : link
In comment 16526254 rnargi said:
Quote:
With this third period respond. Will they cave or rise? They're one shot from tying it up


How about a quality scoring chance from someone who isn't Lafreniere? How about Panarin, Zibanejad and Kreider actually skate out there instead of having their thumbs up their asses.
Serious question: Why insert Rempe in lineup?  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 10:02 pm : link
When you don’t play him
At least he gives effort on the ice.
The only positive thing you can say  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 10:03 pm : link
Is they are only down one and can get right back in this one with a goal
RE: The only positive thing you can say  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:09 pm : link
In comment 16526262 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
Is they are only down one and can get right back in this one with a goal


Don't be surprised if Wheeler is on the first line...
ok, boys,  
ColHowPepper : 5/28/2024 10:11 pm : link
was traveling mid-May for Games 5 & 6 and you brought it home. Out of commission and out of the country for two weeks so youse gots to do it again and bring us to SCF. Saddle up and good luck LGR
Trouba with another SNAFU  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:16 pm : link
And the sky is blue
Fucking putzes with the puck  
Gforce11 : 5/28/2024 10:17 pm : link
WTF?
So you believe these turnovers?  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:17 pm : link
Unbelievable
First line has no  
bluesince56 : 5/28/2024 10:17 pm : link
interest in playing. Very sad. Don Maloney commented three tackles and no called
Well, we picked up where we left off  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:17 pm : link
Grade-A scoring chance for Tarasenko.



And now Lindgren is hurt
RE: Well, we picked up where we left off  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:19 pm : link
In comment 16526285 Anakim said:
Quote:
Grade-A scoring chance for Tarasenko.



And now Lindgren is hurt


On a play in which he did not have the puck
GOD BLESS AMERICA!  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:21 pm : link
.
My man again...  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:21 pm : link
...2-2
Laf has arrived  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2024 10:22 pm : link
In this league
Laffy is something  
redbeard : 5/28/2024 10:22 pm : link
Kid is a stud
What a pass by Fox  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:22 pm : link
...
LAFFY!!  
nyjuggernaut2 : 5/28/2024 10:22 pm : link
Kid is carrying this team offensively!
Of course LaFraniere  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 10:23 pm : link
2-2
LGR
There  
AcidTest : 5/28/2024 10:25 pm : link
you go. Sort of an "own goal" because it went in off the Panthers goalie, but the nice pass to set it up made that possible.
Great goal  
Dang Man : 5/28/2024 10:27 pm : link
But following it up with sloppy passing and an inability to get the puck out of their own zone. It’s maddening how it’s gone on this entire series.
RE: Of course LaFraniere  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 10:28 pm : link
In comment 16526295 Rick in Dallas said:
Quote:
2-2
LGR



Says here panarin has 2 points
Panthers must think it’s football  
bluesince56 : 5/28/2024 10:28 pm : link
Tackling is really good
Do they blackout every time they score a goal  
jgambrosio : 5/28/2024 10:29 pm : link
And forget how to play the game?
Carolina is going to get tight...  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:32 pm : link
Pounce Rangers
Yeah it’s definitely been  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2024 10:33 pm : link
Frustrating to get out played pretty much 9 straight games now. Somehow they are 5-3 in that stretch and tied on the road against a talented desperate team currently - I’d feel a lot better about our chances to carry this series if we’d tilt the ice at some point. At this point you can’t bank on that happening. You look at the talent on this roster and this shouldn’t happen. Maddening.
Bob is not  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 10:33 pm : link
Up to this
I need a deink...  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:35 pm : link
Lol
RE: What a pass by Fox  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 10:35 pm : link
In comment 16526293 rnargi said:
Quote:
...


Yeah that was the first time Fox has looked like himself since the knee on knee hit
RE: Carolina is going to get tight...  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 10:36 pm : link
In comment 16526304 rnargi said:
Quote:
Pounce Rangers



On the tee box?
Good word  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:42 pm : link
IGOR!
Gotta find some  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:44 pm : link
Inner fight. Bury these Cats
What a pussy  
Gforce11 : 5/28/2024 10:48 pm : link
Handle the puck dickhead, it’s not a hot potato
It's like the 70s Canadians  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:48 pm : link
against a peewee team
Zib  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 10:49 pm : link
Is asleep
First line  
bluesince56 : 5/28/2024 10:49 pm : link
playing scared
Zibby is snake bitten  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:51 pm : link
..
Both  
AcidTest : 5/28/2024 10:53 pm : link
teams must be completely exhausted. This period has been completely frenetic.
Zibby is snake bitten  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:54 pm : link
..
Welp here we go again  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:54 pm : link
...let's get Igor another OT win
wow  
sb2003 : 5/28/2024 10:55 pm : link
3 OT games in a row.
RE: Bob is not  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:55 pm : link
In comment 16526306 Ron Johnson said:
Quote:
Up to this


Bob has been suntanning back there for the last two periods
The last three minutes was better but man  
Essex : 5/28/2024 10:56 pm : link
are we getting our ass kicked isn every facet except G
Am I insane?  
Bear vs Shark : 5/28/2024 10:56 pm : link
Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said
RE: Zibby is snake bitten  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16526326 rnargi said:
Quote:
..


He's been dreadful
RE: Am I insane?  
Essex : 5/28/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16526331 Bear vs Shark said:
Quote:
Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said

Definitely a penalty
RE: Am I insane?  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:57 pm : link
In comment 16526331 Bear vs Shark said:
Quote:
Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said


And Trouba got socked with the shaft of the stick. The refs suck
RE: Am I insane?  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:58 pm : link
In comment 16526331 Bear vs Shark said:
Quote:
Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said


No, there were several plays that would have been called in a regular season game. ESPN even said Kakko was tripped.
Welp.  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 10:59 pm : link
CK, Bread, and Zibby are all due. Get one now and all is forgiven.

11 shots on goal over 2 periods  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 10:59 pm : link
If the idea is to get Bob rusty so he can play crappy in OT...
You gotta call that trip  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/28/2024 11:00 pm : link
Guy is going in for a potential game winning goal.
RE: Am I insane?  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16526331 Bear vs Shark said:
Quote:
Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said


I could be wrong, but I think Kakko tripped over his own stick
RE: RE: Am I insane?  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16526342 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 16526331 Bear vs Shark said:


Quote:


Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Maybe so

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said



I could be wrong, but I think Kakko tripped over his own stick
Shesterkin is on another level  
sb2003 : 5/28/2024 11:00 pm : link
and the Rangers always have a punchers chance where they pull off a Harlem Globetrotters type winner.

RE: RE: Am I insane?  
LauderdaleMatty : 5/28/2024 11:01 pm : link
In comment 16526336 rnargi said:
Quote:
In comment 16526331 Bear vs Shark said:


Quote:


Someone got tackled on that 2 on 1? Kappo straight up got tripped? ESPN didn't even show a replay.

Zibby is snakebit, as someone said



No, there were several plays that would have been called in a regular season game. ESPN even said Kakko was tripped.


They called it a trip the. The. Said he tripped to give the shitty non call a gloss over.
But that was absolutely a penalty for socking Trouba  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:02 pm : link
He socked him with the shaft of the stick
One shot away from going home up 3-1, boys....  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:03 pm : link
...go take it.
Just rewinded it  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:03 pm : link
Kakko tripped over his own stick...because of course he did.
RE: RE: Bob is not  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16526329 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 16526306 Ron Johnson said:


Quote:


Up to this



Bob has been suntanning back there for the last two periods



Reactions get slower in the sun
Just a reminder Kakko has 7 hits  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 11:06 pm : link
He plays a complete game and doesn’t shy away from the physical play
RE: Just a reminder Kakko has 7 hits  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:08 pm : link
In comment 16526352 Rick in Dallas said:
Quote:
He plays a complete game and doesn’t shy away from the physical play


Let's hope he plays strong on the wall and corners and makes the game winning dish.
I like our chances  
Ron Johnson : 5/28/2024 11:10 pm : link
In the first 10 minutes. The last 10 not as much
Win or lose, just make it quick  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 11:10 pm : link
I can’t stay up much longer, I’m beat
HOLY CRAP!  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:11 pm : link
Wtf?
WHY WOULD YOU PASS THAT?  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:11 pm : link
Mika, WTF man?
Zibby....uggh  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:11 pm : link
What kind of pass was that?
RE: Win or lose, just make it quick  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:12 pm : link
In comment 16526358 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
I can’t stay up much longer, I’m beat


There you go.
I'm fucking incensed  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:12 pm : link
First of all, that was a penalty at the end of the third period.



But Mika with an ALL-TIME bonehead pass.
Oof  
Greg from LI : 5/28/2024 11:12 pm : link
That’s a bad, bad screwup
Zib’s crap play leads to PP  
Dang Man : 5/28/2024 11:12 pm : link
And a quick goal changes the complexion of this series.
Zibanajed fricken has been terrible  
nygiants16 : 5/28/2024 11:13 pm : link
and wtf was Trouba doing?
Me we knew it  
Route 9 : 5/28/2024 11:13 pm : link
Wasn't going to be easy. Game 5 back at MSG.
Dumbshit  
Gforce11 : 5/28/2024 11:13 pm : link
The first line is dog shit, just dog shit
What an awful play by Zibanejad  
Mad Mike : 5/28/2024 11:13 pm : link
to hang Wheeler out to dry.
Deserved to lose that game  
redbeard : 5/28/2024 11:14 pm : link
They haven’t put a complete game together in weeks. They are going to lose this series unless the big guns and power play wake the fuck up
Off Lindgrens hand  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:14 pm : link
No chance for Igor
RE: What an awful play by Zibanejad  
kcgiants : 5/28/2024 11:14 pm : link
In comment 16526371 Mad Mike said:
Quote:
to hang Wheeler out to dry.

And lose the game.
RE: Deserved to lose that game  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:15 pm : link
In comment 16526372 redbeard said:
Quote:
They haven’t put a complete game together in weeks. They are going to lose this series unless the big guns and power play wake the fuck up


And just like how it was for Gallant. Just like it how it was for Quinn. Kreider and Zibanejad will NEVER be broken up.
Luck Ran Out  
regischarlotte : 5/28/2024 11:15 pm : link
Extremely fortunate -- and decidedly outplayed -- in Games 2 and 3 also.

Man up.
Kreider, Panarin, Zibanejad  
Costy16 : 5/28/2024 11:15 pm : link
Have been an abomination in this series. The core of this team has been shit. What kind of fucking pass is Zibanejad making into a guys feet at the blue line?

And fuck these refs. They missed three penalties on the Panthers in the last 39 seconds of regulation.
Thie last two periods were an embarrassment  
Essex : 5/28/2024 11:15 pm : link
I see nothing that is going to change in the final best of three. We are toast
Better win Thursday  
The_Boss : 5/28/2024 11:16 pm : link
FLA in 6 is a distinct possibility
RE: Off Lindgrens hand  
Essex : 5/28/2024 11:16 pm : link
In comment 16526373 rnargi said:
Quote:
No chance for Igor


Off his face and off his hand—bad luck tonight for him
RE: Zibanajed fricken has been terrible  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:17 pm : link
In comment 16526368 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
and wtf was Trouba doing?


Rangers were changing d. Troubla had just got on the ice as the turnover occured
.  
Kyle in NY : 5/28/2024 11:17 pm : link
Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT

Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)

Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade
RE: .  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:19 pm : link
In comment 16526382 Kyle in NY said:
Quote:
Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT

Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)

Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade


PJ can throw all the analytics he wants. Trouba is fucking awful and the K'Andre-Trouba pairing is horrific.
No goals from Krieder or Panarin says it all  
GFAN52 : 5/28/2024 11:23 pm : link
.
RE: .  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:23 pm : link
In comment 16526382 Kyle in NY said:
Quote:
Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT

Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)

Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade


Trouba wasn't even on the ice until the turnover was made. You can lay a lot at Troubas feet, but not that one.
RE: No goals from Krieder or Panarin says it all  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:24 pm : link
In comment 16526388 GFAN52 said:
Quote:
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Forget goals. Fucking Sergei Bobrovsky has more points than Kreider and Zibanejad.


But let's not break them up. Let's continue playing musical chairs with the RW instead of breaking those two up.
.  
Kyle in NY : 5/28/2024 11:25 pm : link
I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out
Thr Rangers have had two world class goalies  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:26 pm : link
Over the past decade and a half and it sure seems they're gonna waste Igor just like they did Hank. Igor deserves that game.
RE: .  
Costy16 : 5/28/2024 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16526392 Kyle in NY said:
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I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out


There isn’t a single defenseman who wants to carry the puck out.
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Kyle in NY : 5/28/2024 11:27 pm : link
In comment 16526389 rnargi said:
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Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT

Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)

Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade



Trouba wasn't even on the ice until the turnover was made. You can lay a lot at Troubas feet, but not that one.


I’m talking about the PK, why is he chasing to the wall? Florida is living off the goal line on the PK and he’s caught above the circles for really no reason. Whatever, he’s average. It is what it is. He’s not the only one
RE: What an awful play by Zibanejad  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2024 11:28 pm : link
In comment 16526371 Mad Mike said:
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to hang Wheeler out to dry.


Bingo. He sucked for most of the fucking game.
Outshot 40-23  
MetsAreBack : 5/28/2024 11:28 pm : link
This just continues to happen over and over and over again

Teams didn’t dominate the black hawks like this night and night out. At some point it would be great if this team would show up.
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rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:29 pm : link
In comment 16526395 Costy16 said:
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I thought Miller had a decent game relatively speaking. But the analytics aren’t going to look good for anyone on the team right now. They’re playing like absolute amateurs in their own zone and managing the puck. Florida is an aggressive forechecking team but we’re reacting like we have not one clue what to do to counter that. Constant panic making a single damn pass exiting the zone. They look like my beer league team. Figure it the fuck out. Eventually pucks start bouncing off pads and going in when the other team is allowed to throw 100 pucks at the net. Not sustainable. They’re a good team. They’re not the 85 Oilers. Figure it out



There isn’t a single defenseman who wants to carry the puck out.


Sure seems that way. I've never seen a team with this much talent repeatedly give up the puck..both willingly and unintentionally. They want a break...not a rush. Why?
Stopped playing hockey after first period  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 11:29 pm : link
Igor saved their asses entire game.
It is not sustainable to win this series if the first line most notably Kreider continues to play like shit.
At least Panarin is trying
Zibby is way off his game.
D corps need to stop stick checking in their zone

Honestly, Panthers putting it to the Rangers regardless of their dirty tactics.
Based on how we played the first 4 games we are lucky to be going back to MSG at 2 games a piece
Thank you Igor.


RE: RE: RE: .  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2024 11:32 pm : link
In comment 16526398 Kyle in NY said:
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I’m talking about the PK, why is he chasing to the wall? Florida is living off the goal line on the PK and he’s caught above the circles for really no reason. Whatever, he’s average. It is what it is. He’s not the only one


They’re ALL doing it and leaving the slot and goal line completely exposed on PKs. I truly have no idea why they’re playing so aggressively. You’d think Ray Bourque is on the ice the way they’re playing it.
And one more thing on Trouba  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:34 pm : link
PJ and others like to tout the fact that he blocks a ton of shots. Well, he blocks a lot of shots because HE'S ALWAYS PINNED IN HIS OWN END. The guy can't move the puck out of the fucking zone. He'll either cough it up, take a dumb fucking penalty, or just be pinned down in his zone.


Of course he's going to block a lot of shots. It's because he basically lives in the defensive zone!


8M per for a "captain" who constantly fucks up and then covers his fuckups with penalties and cheapshots. Incredible.
Panarin's cap hit is 45% greater than Trouba's....  
BurberryManning : 5/28/2024 11:39 pm : link
and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.

Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL
....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/28/2024 11:40 pm : link
Don't get the Trouba hate tonight.

Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.

Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.
RE: Panarin's cap hit is 45% greater than Trouba's....  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:41 pm : link
In comment 16526407 BurberryManning said:
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and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.

Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL



Yep. And he ain't going anywhere, either.
At least Blake Wheeler looked excellent.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/28/2024 11:44 pm : link
Cuylle has been good the entire postseason.

On the bad side, I’ve pretty much reached my limit with the Trouba/KAM duo. Gotta split them up again.
RE: ....  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:46 pm : link
In comment 16526408 BrettNYG10 said:
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Don't get the Trouba hate tonight.


I won't even mention the number of SNAFUs and fuckups he had tonight and all playoff long.

Watch the GWG. Why the fuck did Trouba chase the puck to the boards instead of staying near the goal.

RE: ....  
Kyle in NY : 5/28/2024 11:47 pm : link
In comment 16526408 BrettNYG10 said:
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Don't get the Trouba hate tonight.

Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.

Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.


That’s a poor read and way too aggressive of a play on the winning goal, is it not?

But it’s not all on him. Trouba is just the poster boy, because of the salary and captain status, for my collective issue with this defense group that can’t handle a forecheck with composure and move the puck effectively. Compounded by the Fox injury. Certain forwards are going to take a lot of shit, and most of it is warranted. But they can barely get a clean pass to actually have a chance to attack Florida with some speed. It makes it tough.

All of that said, Mika was terrible and he’s getting his lunch fed to him by Barkov. A lot on the line for him these next 2-3 games. He did get held at the end of regulation, saw that. Could have been a 2 on 1
Anak  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 11:48 pm : link
To be fair none of the fucking Rangers defensemen capable of carrying the puck out of the D zone.
That’s why I have been saying play Zac Jones. It can’t get any worse.
Jacob Trouba on the PK  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:48 pm : link


RE: RE: Panarin's cap hit is 45% greater than Trouba's....  
Kyle in NY : 5/28/2024 11:48 pm : link
In comment 16526409 rnargi said:
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and year after year he proves that he is too soft to be a playoff performer.

Playoff hockey is a different game. Perimeter dangles don't get it done against quality opponents. There are perhaps five (5!) forwards on Florida we would prefer to dress than Bread but he carries the fourth highest cap hit in the NHL




Yep. And he ain't going anywhere, either.


Two points tonight, let’s be fair. I thought he had a better game, he was more engaged in the battles. Let’s see from here
RE: .  
pjcas18 : 5/28/2024 11:49 pm : link
In comment 16526382 Kyle in NY said:
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Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT

Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)

Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade


All starts with a clean face off loss. Then on the PK when you are in a box and you're the strong side D you have a choice (some of it is based on the system/approach the coaches implement some of it is judgment), be passive or be aggressive. On that play Trouba must have seen something or the coaches suggested to be aggressive and he went after Barkov on the half wall.

it was a tic-tac-toe play on the PP, and a great finish by Reinhart. Reinhart had 27 PP goals on the season (most in the league by 6 more than 2nd place). Sometimes you get beat by a great play.

Rangers stole back home ice. they accomplished what they had to.

Nothing else matters. But whine away. whine about the refs, whine about Trouba (someone blamed him for the Mika pass, lol), whine about Lavy, whine about Panarin and Mika, none of it matters right now. It's a best of 3 series with 2 possible home games for the Rangers.
RE: Anak  
Anakim : 5/28/2024 11:50 pm : link
In comment 16526414 Rick in Dallas said:
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To be fair none of the fucking Rangers defensemen capable of carrying the puck out of the D zone.
That’s why I have been saying play Zac Jones. It can’t get any worse.


Yep. This team couldn't complete a breakout pass if their lives depended on it. But they sure are good flippers!...Well, actually, Trouba doesn't even do that well.
They better find an answer.  
rnargi : 5/28/2024 11:53 pm : link
They're not going to get lucky 2 of the next 3 games. They have to play lime they did in the first period for 60 minutes.
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Kyle in NY : 5/28/2024 11:58 pm : link
In comment 16526417 pjcas18 said:
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Horrific game by 93. Never gave the team a chance in OT

Nice positioning by Trouba aka the most defensively aware defenseman or whatever (hey pj, know you’re reading)

Playing this way isn’t sustainable. Reintroduce the team to the puck on the off day. It is not a grenade



All starts with a clean face off loss. Then on the PK when you are in a box and you're the strong side D you have a choice (some of it is based on the system/approach the coaches implement some of it is judgment), be passive or be aggressive. On that play Trouba must have seen something or the coaches suggested to be aggressive and he went after Barkov on the half wall.

it was a tic-tac-toe play on the PP, and a great finish by Reinhart. Reinhart had 27 PP goals on the season (most in the league by 6 more than 2nd place). Sometimes you get beat by a great play.

Rangers stole back home ice. they accomplished what they had to.

Nothing else matters. But whine away. whine about the refs, whine about Trouba (someone blamed him for the Mika pass, lol), whine about Lavy, whine about Panarin and Mika, none of it matters right now. It's a best of 3 series with 2 possible home games for the Rangers.


Nobody blamed him for the Mika pass. rnargi misunderstood what I was saying.

The Rangers are not an aggressive “chase” PK team. They pretty consistently play the box, keep to the outside, and look to counter off blocked shots and turnovers. Pretty confident it’s a bad read and play by him. I’d expect better. He’s usually a pretty reliable penalty killer

We’re fans discussing a tense playoff game. I don’t really see any whining.
I’m trying to be optimistic going forward BUT  
Rick in Dallas : 5/28/2024 11:58 pm : link
After 10 games against the relentless forecheck and physicality of the Canes and Panthers, the Rangers D corps has been beaten down.
I don’t see anything changing going forward
I hope Igor can steal 2 games.
This was after the penalty on Wheeler on the Mika turnover  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2024 12:04 am : link
before the PP even started.

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and wtf was Trouba doing?


game score for tonight.

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Kyle in NY : 5/29/2024 12:10 am : link
The goal had been scored. Look at the post above it. It really doesn’t matter though. Lot of guys had a tough two games in Florida. Have to be better

Interesting to see Panarin top that chart. I felt like he had a better game. They need to find a way to get Lafreniere more ice time. Maybe some signs of life from Fox at least
RE: ....  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 12:24 am : link
In comment 16526408 BrettNYG10 said:
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Don't get the Trouba hate tonight.

Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.

Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.


Yes. He is getting dominated by Barkov. I know Barkov is elite defensively but damn, man, you gotta do better than this.
Seems like a tough road ahead  
M.S. : 5/29/2024 6:15 am : link
if there are no goals from Kreider, Panarin or Zibanejad.
......  
Route 9 : 5/29/2024 6:16 am : link
Being tied 2-2 with a monster of a tough opponent like Florida in the ECF isn't the worst thing in the world.

No way was this going to be easy, but let's put this "home ice advantage" thing to the test and beat them two more times. It was an OT loss, it's not like it was 5-0.
RE: Seems like a tough road ahead  
Route 9 : 5/29/2024 6:18 am : link
In comment 16526474 M.S. said:
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if there are no goals from Kreider, Panarin or Zibanejad.


Panarin at least had two assists in this game. What those other two are doing besides being shut down, who knows?
RE: ......  
Essex : 5/29/2024 7:49 am : link
In comment 16526475 Route 9 said:
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Being tied 2-2 with a monster of a tough opponent like Florida in the ECF isn't the worst thing in the world.

No way was this going to be easy, but let's put this "home ice advantage" thing to the test and beat them two more times. It was an OT loss, it's not like it was 5-0.

It wasn’t 5-0 because of our goalie but the play on ice was indicative of that type of game. Shesterkin is the world’s best goalie, he isn’t a robot—he will have a bad game at some point. Nothing about the first four games, leads me to believe we can win 2 of 3 even at home. They are the better team by a lot
Panarin doesn't deserve the hate he's getting today  
ShockNRoll : 5/29/2024 7:58 am : link
he was really active last night, and he is part of the one line that is actually generating offense consistently. Panarin attracts a lot of attention and Lafreniere/Trocheck are benefitting. I am running out of patience with Zibanejad in particular, but Kreider too, and if you know me as a poster, I'm one of the biggest Zibanejad apologists on the planet. I get it, they're up against two of the top five defensive forwards in the league, who just held Pastrnak to 2 points in 6 games, but at some point they have to do something if the Rangers are going to win this series. Maybe game 5 at home they can keep them away from Barkov/Reinhart with last change.

The Rangers wasted an amazing performance by Igor last night, and I have to say, while I'm far from giving up on this series, I am having flashbacks to Lundqvist's playoff career where he was sensational every night but never got any goal support. I have been bringing up how Igor has zero playoff shutouts in his career, he may need a couple from here on out if they're actually going to win the series/Cup.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/29/2024 8:37 am : link
I thought Goodrow should have rotated down once Trouba abandoned his position. My guess is Lavy told the D to be more aggressive and not cede puck possession on the penalty kill. NHL goals are seldom one person's fault.

I thought Trouba had a good game before that. Zibanejad is the scapegoat for yesterday, IMO.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/29/2024 8:42 am : link
In comment 16526446 Greg from LI said:
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Don't get the Trouba hate tonight.

Zibanejad has been awful. Totally outclassed by Barkov this series. If they lose this series, he's #1 on my shit list.

Officials missed two calls in the final minute. Really bullshit.



Yes. He is getting dominated by Barkov. I know Barkov is elite defensively but damn, man, you gotta do better than this.


Not to rehash old and irrelevant arguments, but it's why I didn't like the extension. He's frequently outmatched by the best centers in the game.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2024 8:44 am : link
In comment 16526507 BrettNYG10 said:
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I thought Goodrow should have rotated down once Trouba abandoned his position. My guess is Lavy told the D to be more aggressive and not cede puck possession on the penalty kill. NHL goals are seldom one person's fault.

I thought Trouba had a good game before that. Zibanejad is the scapegoat for yesterday, IMO.


This is my assumption as well.

The Rangers had the 3rd best PK in the regular season, but they had already allowed 2 PP goals in the game last night (technically time had expired on the Reinhart goal, but irrelevant) and 2 PP goals last game. My guess is Lavy or Peca said let's not sit and wait for them to pick apart the box, let's be aggressive. Trouba was and it cost them.

I thought Rangers in 7, now I'm not so sure they even get to game 7.  
Victor in CT : 5/29/2024 8:47 am : link
First time in this playoff that I don't feel like they will win.

Are they gassed? Indifferent? Chicken shit (yes you Artemy)? Seems like they can't put out more than one good, solid period per game.

Again, Trocheck and Laf the only top 6 guys who showed up. Even Wheeler was better than Mika, Kreider and Panarin. I was very skeptical but Wheeler was in the Top 4 with Troch, Laf and Goodrow. He had jump and passion. Panarin looks like he's going to shit himself if there is a red shirt within 6 feet of him. 4th line better than the Mika line again.

Igor is standing on his head and they still cant win. What a waste. UGH.
Quit dooming, Christ  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 8:56 am : link
Can't we see what happens in the next game before we start wailing and rending our garments?

The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.

Just let the games play out.
Zone Exits  
Costy16 : 5/29/2024 8:58 am : link
Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
RE: Zone Exits  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 9:01 am : link
In comment 16526520 Costy16 said:
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Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.


This is all true. Miller is big and mobile and can handle the puck - why he refuses to skate a puck out, I don't understand. To a lesser extent, Schneider too. Trouba is what he is. I do think that sitting Gustafsson for Jones and pairing Jones with Trouba and reuniting Miller/Schneider would help quite a bit. Lavi keeps tinkering with the forwards when the defense is the biggest problem by far.
RE: Zone Exits  
Kyle in NY : 5/29/2024 9:06 am : link
In comment 16526520 Costy16 said:
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Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.


For the sake of being fair and not just singling out the captain (who was fine until the winning goal, agreed there) Lindgren and Schneider struggle with it as well. Lindgren battles, we all know that, but he struggles to do anything besides flip the puck out. Schneider is really fighting it. He probably looks the most uncomfortable with the puck out of them all. K'Andre isn't a great puck mover but his skating is capable of getting him out of tough spots.

Some of this is just the construction of the group, there's only so much that can improve. But they need to make quicker decisions and the forwards need to support and provide options besides chopping it off the boards and out. Let's see where Laviolette differs from Gallant. I think he can find some solutions, especially having last change at home. The two games at home were miles better than in Florida
With Schneider it seems more mental than anything else  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 9:11 am : link
Ron Greschner, he's not, but he has enough skating and puck handling that he should be able to do more than just bang it along the boards. He looks like he just panics whenever the puck comes to him in their own end.
RE: RE: Zone Exits  
Costy16 : 5/29/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16526526 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 16526520 Costy16 said:


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Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.



For the sake of being fair and not just singling out the captain (who was fine until the winning goal, agreed there) Lindgren and Schneider struggle with it as well. Lindgren battles, we all know that, but he struggles to do anything besides flip the puck out. Schneider is really fighting it. He probably looks the most uncomfortable with the puck out of them all. K'Andre isn't a great puck mover but his skating is capable of getting him out of tough spots.

Some of this is just the construction of the group, there's only so much that can improve. But they need to make quicker decisions and the forwards need to support and provide options besides chopping it off the boards and out. Let's see where Laviolette differs from Gallant. I think he can find some solutions, especially having last change at home. The two games at home were miles better than in Florida



I was going to say, the forwards are not doing anything to help either. They just send it around and there isn’t anyone in to forecheck.
Posted this on NYR sub  
Bear vs Shark : 5/29/2024 9:25 am : link
but gonna post it here also:

am truly baffled by our inability to get the puck out of the zone and beat the forecheck. I get that Fox is hurt but every single one of our Dmen is incapable of making an outlet pass, and our entire team is allergic to carrying the puck out of the zone. It feels like we're on PKs for entire periods. Get pinned in our zone, dump it out, change, FL reloads, back in our zone again for, realistically, 1-3 minutes at a time.

It's been exhausting watching them, especially since Carolina carried the play in our zone during the previous series as well. This team has not looked good for 60 minutes for like 8 games at this point.

You might as well try and play Zac Jones at this point, though idk who you'd sit. And I'm disappointed K'Andre hasn't been better in this regard.

Also, Mika has just been completely outclassed by Barkov. I know he's playing the Selke winner but he's also snake bitten and in one of his funks (as is Kreider).

If they continue to be invisible this year, I think there's real questions about our core 3, and whether these guys are too streaky to ever bring it home. Laffy is going to break out IMO next year, and it makes me wonder if one (or some) of the three should be moved to help this team reload for the future and center a team around him, because if the big 3 can't step up this year, it's a valid question as to whether they ever will.

Having said that though, I don't even know who you'd move. I get that Panarin has been smothered and it's opening up ice for Vinny and Laffy. He's probably someone I wouldn't want to move at all. Chris is Mr. Ranger for this era, it'd feel awful to see him on another team. Mika has had a terrible year and is older now, if you moved him you'd be doing it at his lowest possible value.

Plus I believe they all have NTCs.

Ugh, I hope we can just pull this out somehow. But it's frustrating watching this team rely on their goalie to bail them out for 20 YEARS and eventually letting them down. It's literally been the story since 05.

Lastly, Florida just looks FASTER. Rangers are beat to every 50/50 puck. It feels like we're gliding towards the puck while Florida is constantly pressing in the right stick to sprint.
Honestly, Panarin is playing way better than Kreider  
Rick in Dallas : 5/29/2024 9:26 am : link
At least he seems interested in trying to make plays.
Kreider has been a no show and displays no urgency in trying to get the puck out of the D zone
Just skates around midway through blue line and face off circle.
Zibby is being outplayed by Barlow who is a monster. At least he is trying more than I can say for Kreider.
I thought last night Cullye and Kakko played hard
Give me a couple more Trocheck ‘s and LaFraniere’s on this team.
Finesse players don’t get it done in the playoffs.
Please put Jones in with Trouba and reunite Miller with Schneider
I thought last night was Fox’s best game and we wasted it.
RE: Quit dooming, Christ  
Bear vs Shark : 5/29/2024 9:28 am : link
In comment 16526517 Greg from LI said:
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Can't we see what happens in the next game before we start wailing and rending our garments?

The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.

Just let the games play out.
Hate to be a doomer (I really do) but I felt we got outplayed game 1. Game 2 definitely felt more even.

It's the utter domination in games 3 and 4 that has me concerned (in conjunction with Carolina making us sweat towards the end of that series).

Also, I'm OBVIOUSLY happy we didn't get to see it, but I am so curious wtf a Carolina-Florida series would have looked like, considering their styles of play.
RE: Zone Exits  
Bear vs Shark : 5/29/2024 9:29 am : link
In comment 16526520 Costy16 said:
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Are a real problem. I mean, not a single defenseman looks remotely interested in trying to maintain possession to get the puck out of the zone. They act like the puck is a live grenade. They flip it out as soon as they touch it. It also doesn't help that statistically speaking, Trouba is one of/if not the worst at zone exits in the entire league.
It feels like this is a problem that just compounds itself.

--> Get pinned in zone
--> get gassed defending and chasing the puck, trying to clear it
--> Clear the damn puck, go off for a change
--> Gathered by FL, who waltz right back into the zone with it after their own change

It's really insane. I find it hard to believe it's a skill issue, but that's what my eyeballs tell me (bolstered by what I hear from others about Laviolette being a good Xs and Os coach).
Positive note  
Bear vs Shark : 5/29/2024 9:33 am : link
and not to sound too resigned to a loss, but I see a really solid future for Cuylle.
gonna be a long 2 days  
djm : 5/29/2024 9:36 am : link
talk me off the ledge. Rangers need to play a perfect game tomorrow night. Please tell me they can.

Boomer made a good point this series reminds me of the 2014 NYR LAK finals more and more. Except in this one we have caught the occasional break. We need a couple more or we need to play kick ass hockey. We need another game 2 type game out of the blue-shirts, minus the OT stress.
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Kyle in NY : 5/29/2024 9:37 am : link
Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.

Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.

Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time
RE: Honestly, Panarin is playing way better than Kreider  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 9:40 am : link
In comment 16526541 Rick in Dallas said:
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Finesse players don’t get it done in the playoffs.


RE: Quit dooming, Christ  
djm : 5/29/2024 9:41 am : link
In comment 16526517 Greg from LI said:
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Can't we see what happens in the next game before we start wailing and rending our garments?

The first two games were pretty evenly played. The last two were not. They are perfectly capable of beating the Florida fucking Panthers. Will they? I don't know, any more than any of you know that they won't. Heard this same shit in the Carolina series.

Just let the games play out.


This is the take I will hang on to until Thursday night. Sack the fuck up.

This isn't the LA Kings. We can win tomorrow night. And we could have won against LA. Get it done. Break through this shit.
RE: RE: Quit dooming, Christ  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 9:44 am : link
In comment 16526542 Bear vs Shark said:
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I felt we got outplayed game 1. Game 2 definitely felt more even.


They definitely played better in 2 but at most Florida had a slight edge in 1. Scoring chances were pretty even, shots were pretty even. Igor gave up a softy and Laf put it in his own net.

They played two competitive games at home and then got blitzed on the road. Stole one, lost one. If they lose, we'll have all offseason for postmortems. Don't need premortems.
Best of 3 now. Get the fucking 2 wins.  
The_Boss : 5/29/2024 9:49 am : link
I really believe that if the NYR get through this, it’ll be so much easier in the Cup Finals than the ECF..like when the Falcon finally got through the meteor shower in the empire strikes back…
It is 100% a skill issue  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2024 9:50 am : link
and roster construction.

FLA has built their team to maximize forward depth. I don't think a team in the league can match them. Maybe DAL, but even then I'd take FLA's forwards.

Tarasenko, the deadline acquisition, is one exception, but their philosophy, supported by their roster, is two on the puck in a heavy, almost cheat-like, fore check.

The way you beat that scheme is exactly what the D are doing, quick wrap arounds on the boards, or reverses behind the net and then wrap around the boards, and forward chips to the middle hitting a breaking forward or bank off the boards to a crossing forward. The Bruins, who are far less talented than the Rangers, did this very well. The D should also activate on the breakout putting pressure on the FLA forwards and wearing them down. Again, BOS did this very well.

the result *should* be odd-man rushes, since FLA's D are porous defensively and their o-zone scheme includes D activation as well. The Rangers had some in games 1 and 2. less in 3 and 4.

The D are not blameless the wraps are late some times, to the wrong side sometimes (the weak side is the easier one), but the breakdown has mostly been the forwards are not always on the boards and when they are, they are often losing 50/50 puck battles.

The D skating it out here would be a disaster and unless Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar suit up in a Rangers jersey they don't really have a D with that skill set - and it's not Jones either from what I have seen. Asking Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider (Fox and Gus are the most natural at it IMO) to suddenly beat fore checkers by skating the puck out of the zone would likely result in more pucks finding the back of the net. When you get time, sure, take the ice you are given, but none of those guys does what the fans are asking.

All fixable and the d-zone play (by forwards and D) was much tighter in games 1 and 2 when the Rangers, despite being outshot, had more high danger scoring chances. Even in the game 1 loss the Rangers out chanced FLA.

just my opinion.
RE: .  
rnargi : 5/29/2024 9:51 am : link
In comment 16526557 Kyle in NY said:
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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.

Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.

Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time


If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?
RE: RE: .  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16526567 rnargi said:
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In comment 16526557 Kyle in NY said:


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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.

Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.

Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time



If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?


Good point. You should give up now. No need to visit these threads anymore.
RE: It is 100% a skill issue  
rnargi : 5/29/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16526566 pjcas18 said:
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and roster construction.

FLA has built their team to maximize forward depth. I don't think a team in the league can match them. Maybe DAL, but even then I'd take FLA's forwards.

Tarasenko, the deadline acquisition, is one exception, but their philosophy, supported by their roster, is two on the puck in a heavy, almost cheat-like, fore check.

The way you beat that scheme is exactly what the D are doing, quick wrap arounds on the boards, or reverses behind the net and then wrap around the boards, and forward chips to the middle hitting a breaking forward or bank off the boards to a crossing forward. The Bruins, who are far less talented than the Rangers, did this very well. The D should also activate on the breakout putting pressure on the FLA forwards and wearing them down. Again, BOS did this very well.

the result *should* be odd-man rushes, since FLA's D are porous defensively and their o-zone scheme includes D activation as well. The Rangers had some in games 1 and 2. less in 3 and 4.

The D are not blameless the wraps are late some times, to the wrong side sometimes (the weak side is the easier one), but the breakdown has mostly been the forwards are not always on the boards and when they are, they are often losing 50/50 puck battles.

The D skating it out here would be a disaster and unless Quinn Hughes or Cale Makar suit up in a Rangers jersey they don't really have a D with that skill set - and it's not Jones either from what I have seen. Asking Miller, Trouba, Lindgren, and Schneider (Fox and Gus are the most natural at it IMO) to suddenly beat fore checkers by skating the puck out of the zone would likely result in more pucks finding the back of the net. When you get time, sure, take the ice you are given, but none of those guys does what the fans are asking.

All fixable and the d-zone play (by forwards and D) was much tighter in games 1 and 2 when the Rangers, despite being outshot, had more high danger scoring chances. Even in the game 1 loss the Rangers out chanced FLA.

just my opinion.


PJ....they HAVE had time. They are NOT taking the ice given. How many times have they simply given away the puck without the need to do so? Contested turnovers happen. Unforced turnovers are KILLING them.
NY Rangers defenseman D-zone giveaways  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2024 10:04 am : link
all playoffs, not just this series (per moneypuck):

Schneider: 11
Miller: 9
Gus: 6
Trouba: 6
Lindgren: 5
Fox: 3

Sometimes I think someone says something on here and people just repeat it and it becomes true.

those numbers are higher than people would want, but not what fans are here seem to be portraying.

The NHL defines giveaways as:

"a form of turnover where the player makes an unforced error that results in giving the puck up to the opposition"

for reference, FLA D:

Ekblad: 13
Mikkola: 8
Forsling: 6
Montour: 5
Kulikov: 3
OEL: 1

Doesn't look much different IMO.
RE: RE: .  
Kyle in NY : 5/29/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16526567 rnargi said:
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In comment 16526557 Kyle in NY said:


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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.

Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.

Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time



If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?


I'm not too worried about Igor wanting to re-sign here as long as the money is right. NYC is a very comfortable place for Russians to play and despite our frustrations at times, this is a team with a realistic chance to win the cup each year. You're too doom and gloom! :)
RE: RE: RE: .  
rnargi : 5/29/2024 10:16 am : link
In comment 16526583 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 16526567 rnargi said:


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In comment 16526557 Kyle in NY said:


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Good post Bear. There's a ton on the line for this veteran core in these next 2-3 games. You can only knock at the door so many times.

Rangers future looks a lot brighter if this Lafreniere ascension continues. There's a lot of young pieces in place and assume they re-sign Igor after next season. But if they don't get it done this year, their next run may not involve all/some of the veteran leaders.

Let's see what they've got. I had started to consider this during the Penguins series two years ago and then Mika and Kreider got scorching hot. Now's the time



If you were Igor, and you KNOW the team can't move more than half thier core roster due to NTCs, and you've seen that they realistically cannot compete in the playoffs against the more physical teams and it ain't changing for them, would you re-sign?



I'm not too worried about Igor wanting to re-sign here as long as the money is right. NYC is a very comfortable place for Russians to play and despite our frustrations at times, this is a team with a realistic chance to win the cup each year. You're too doom and gloom! :)


Lol...I hope you're right. We have been spoiled with our goalie lineage all the way back to Giacomin, Vanbiesbrouck, Davidson, Richter, Hank, and now Igor with a smattering of others in between. What a run, and only 1 cup.
I was unable to post on the Game 2 thread  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/29/2024 10:31 am : link
because I was at the beach. Rangers won. So I skipped posting on Game 3 and Game 4. So after the loss, I'm back baby. In Brett we trust.

The good news

Every game is close. We're not getting blown out.
We're pretty much evenly matched.
I trust this regime to make necessary adjustments
It's a best of 3 series with 2 games being at home.
Lafreniere is a stud.

The bad news

Top stars are disappearing. Mika, Panarin, Kreider.
Our PP still hasn't done much.
Rangers are allergic to clearing the zone. That's why they're losing.

Closing thoughts: Dear Lord in Heaven, Rangers in 7.



......  
Route 9 : 5/29/2024 12:46 pm : link
Again. Panarin had two assists. Why lump him in with those other two nerds?

Also, the guy who said they cannot see the Rangers winning two games at home, OK, good point. Save me the hassle of watching the games because you said so. Forgot Florida went to the cup and everything last year.
......  
Route 9 : 5/29/2024 12:48 pm : link
Being a Rangers fan and the word spoiled do not belong in the same sentence lol
I'll just put this out there  
Greg from LI : 5/29/2024 1:38 pm : link
Everyone remembers Game 6 and 7 against the Devils in 1994. However, people forget that the reason they had to win both of those monumental games was that the Devils pounded them in games 4 and 5, 3-1 and 4-1.
RE: I'll just put this out there  
Route 9 : 5/29/2024 1:45 pm : link
In comment 16526758 Greg from LI said:
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Everyone remembers Game 6 and 7 against the Devils in 1994. However, people forget that the reason they had to win both of those monumental games was that the Devils pounded them in games 4 and 5, 3-1 and 4-1.


But do those guys have the 1994 grit in them?

Or are they just ... Dan Girardi and Rick Nash? How will we remember this crop?
My sunshine pump  
HBart : 5/29/2024 1:52 pm : link
Says the Rangers won 2 games without really playing their best, and while yesterday turned into a shit show, they won one period, lost two, and were on the wrong side of one crucial OT error away from being up 3-1.

Or put differently, I don't think the Panthers can play much better than they have but the Rangers can - and the recipe for it isn't so hard to figure out. Plus Fox looking better is huge. And home ice should help Z and Kreider.
Check out  
Professor Falken : 5/29/2024 2:03 pm : link
the shot disparity over the last two games.
Shots - ( New Window )
We just need to find away.  
Carl in CT : 5/29/2024 2:37 pm : link
They are tougher, they are in better shape (every late 2nd and 3rd they have owned us, and one could say better. So what! It’s two out of 3 now. Crying after the season and get those candy asses who won’t go to the net the hell out of here in the offseason. Bottom line “Just win baby”.
We just need to find away.  
Carl in CT : 5/29/2024 2:43 pm : link
They are tougher, they are in better shape (every late 2nd and 3rd they have owned us, and one could say better. So what! It’s two out of 3 now. Crying after the season and get those candy asses who won’t go to the net the hell out of here in the offseason. Bottom line “Just win baby”.
RE: I was unable to post on the Game 2 thread  
redbeard : 5/29/2024 3:10 pm : link
In comment 16526606 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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because I was at the beach. Rangers won. So I skipped posting on Game 3 and Game 4. So after the loss, I'm back baby. In Brett we trust.

The good news

Every game is close. We're not getting blown out.
We're pretty much evenly matched.
I trust this regime to make necessary adjustments
It's a best of 3 series with 2 games being at home.
Lafreniere is a stud.

The bad news

Top stars are disappearing. Mika, Panarin, Kreider.
Our PP still hasn't done much.
Rangers are allergic to clearing the zone. That's why they're losing.

Closing thoughts: Dear Lord in Heaven, Rangers in 7.





The next time a Ranger dman makes some half assed flip that gets knocked down at the blue line I’m gonna have a fucking stroke
'Just my opinion'  
ColHowPepper : 5/29/2024 3:41 pm : link
pj with respect, I think you came close to saying some days ago, in response to post of mine, that FLA overwhelming off zone time really didn't MATTER that much, just look at analytics. heh it's beyond clear I think you're acknowledging that NYR dmen are drowning in FL off zone pressure.

Aside, seems like real of last 3 years, Kyle, Brett,and I and others are in this same convo about the 'core.

Oh, and did DOPS suspend Bennett for his sucker punch on Marchand? Or was that a hockey play too? Brett and Kyle stay away from pj's leagues!!

Bon voyage back to MSG, don't redux this Game 5 at home thing
LGR
zone time matters  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2024 3:48 pm : link
but it matters less than scoring chances and high danger scoring chances. That was my point.

you could argue one leads to the other, but game 1 belies that theory as did some of the Bruins Panthers games.

FLA is susceptible to giving up odd-man rushes due to their aggressive o-zone and neutral zone schemes. NYR need to make them pay. They didn't make them pay in game 1 when Bobrovsky was phenomenal. Bob has just been ok since then, but the Rangers (at least in games 3 and 4) haven't pressured the FLA D and Bob enough.

My prediction is they will in game 5.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 5/29/2024 3:53 pm : link
I thought FL got higher quality chances last night than they did in 3.

This was always going to be a coin flip series.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2024 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16526865 BrettNYG10 said:
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I thought FL got higher quality chances last night than they did in 3.

This was always going to be a coin flip series.


Last night was ridiculous. I forget and can't look it up something like 15 to 6 in scoring chances. Last night was a legit - Igor came close to stealing a game. I believe Bobrovsky was still a net negative, but it didn't matter the Rangers had so low xGF FLA could have had one of those fake plastic practice goalies in net and still won.
RE: RE: I was unable to post on the Game 2 thread  
HBart : 5/29/2024 4:53 pm : link
In comment 16526829 redbeard said:
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In comment 16526606 LawrenceTaylor56 said:


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The next time a Ranger dman makes some half assed flip that gets knocked down at the blue line I’m gonna have a fucking stroke


This~.

Florida's been impenetrable at the line but the Rangers have been lackadaisical. Were I an Xs an Os guy I'd think a combination of attention to getting the puck out by the D plus some plays taking of their crash the side boards tendency could solve this.
For me this series has been all about special teams  
Rick in Dallas : 5/29/2024 5:11 pm : link
Hot: Panthers PP and PK
Cold: Rangers PP and PK
Special teams got the Rangers the President Cup and ECF’s
It’s missing in action right now..
I think Fox’s injury has had a big negative effect on PP in this series.
He looked much better last night.
I hope that Fox continues to improve.
I would like to see more ice time for LaFraniere on PP

With respect to D corps their have been multiple occasions where they had space to start moving the puck out of zone but they instantly start chipping the puck as soon as it hits their stick imv.

Game 5 is huge. Let’s play 60 minutes of intense and physical hockey
LGR

RE: RE: .....  
Matt M. : 5/29/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16526883 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16526865 BrettNYG10 said:


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I thought FL got higher quality chances last night than they did in 3.

This was always going to be a coin flip series.



Last night was ridiculous. I forget and can't look it up something like 15 to 6 in scoring chances. Last night was a legit - Igor came close to stealing a game. I believe Bobrovsky was still a net negative, but it didn't matter the Rangers had so low xGF FLA could have had one of those fake plastic practice goalies in net and still won.
Sadly, I don't think this is such an exaggeration. They didn't really test him much. The 2 goals plus Zibanejad's near miss were the only times. Most of the other SOG seemed to be right in the gut.
I agree with Greg  
arniefez : 5/29/2024 5:35 pm : link
This is a similar scenario to the Devils in 1994 and going back further the Islanders in 1979. The Rangers managed to win both of those series against teams that were much tougher and arguably much better. Those two teams won 7 Cups after losing to the Rangers.

On the flip side these games are brutal to watch. I've been watching this NY Rangers DNA for almost 60 years now. Nothing has changed over all the years except 1994 when Messier brought his friends with him to NY. They aren't built for the playoffs. Their best players want no part of this rough, dirty hockey.

The supposed 1st line has been worthless in this series, even on the power play. They're all worried about getting hit and have lost their poise.

Hopefully they find a way to win two more games. If they make it there the next round might be a better match up for them.

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