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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the games today & tomorrow in Flushing against the Dodgers and D-backs respectively.
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Notes:
-The games today and tomorrow will each be on SNY.
-The weather for today's games at Citi Field will be fine to start, but sketchy as the game goes on. There’s a chance of thunderstorms and rain about two hours into the game. Click
HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-The Mets made 4 transactions today. They’re as follows:
(1 & 2) They optioned relief pitchers RHP Dedniel Núñez and LHP Dedniel Núñez to Syracuse—the latter was the 27th man for both games of yesterday’s doubleheader; (3) They activated LHP starter David Peterson from the 60-day injured list; and (4) they signed free agent LHP Julian Smith to a minor league contract.
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-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of
Narváez (L), Nimmo (L), Stewart (L), & Baty (L). 
NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm
*For reference purposes, here is the link for the previous month as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.
Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.
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c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.
Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.
I'd go Choice "A" believe it or not.
But I underestimated the amount of power he generates from his legs. The velocity is down, and I guess it would make sense for there to be strain placed on his arm if he has to adjust to weaker leg power.
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b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.
Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.
I'd go Choice "A" believe it or not.
Think id actually go B. That 2015 team was so close and the Royals team had some lefties who wouldn't have liked Blevins.
All 3 options have merits.
zips just updated their projection for ROS and it was 78-84, so they see them as a slightly above .500 roster though that was with Diaz. without him id guess the projection trends closer to yours.
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a) duaner sanchez cab driver
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
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Breaking: The Mets put Edwin Diaz on the IL with a right shoulder impingement.
Josh Walker is called up, four hours after he was sent down.
I'd go Choice "A" believe it or not.
Think id actually go B. That 2015 team was so close and the Royals team had some lefties who wouldn't have liked Blevins.
All 3 options have merits.
I think I'd go A as well
crappy injury but if it had to happen, it will give baty and vientos a chance to play ever day in big leagues.
2) Senga (who knows when he'll be back. Post All-Star Break perhaps?)
3) Diaz now (15 days)
4) & Drew Smith--no loss there lol (sometime in the next month or so I'm guessing).
Am I right? Anyone missing?
P.S. They need to do something with one of the backup catchers before Alvarez comes off the I.L.
*Now Pete looks hurt having been hit in the index finger of his right hand it looks like.
By the way, fuc@ the WBC....
2) Senga (who knows when he'll be back. Post All-Star Break perhaps?)
3) Diaz now (15 days)
4) & Drew Smith--no loss there lol (sometime in the next month or so I'm guessing).
Am I right? Anyone missing?
P.S. They need to do something with one of the backup catchers before Alvarez comes off the I.L.
*Now Pete looks hurt having been hit in the index finger of his right hand it looks like.
1. believe dmm said alvarez starting a rehab assignment tomorrow? so he should be mid-June.
2. Senga is back at square one basically, so he is 4-6 weeks best case even with no other setbacks.
3. i would guess diaz is shut down for some amount of time (15 day IL to start likely means more than 1 week) so then probably needs at least a 2 week ramp/rehab. i doubt we see him again until he is in full form.
4. drew smith is back in rehab appearances, i think dmm said he'd originally had a set back.
pretty sure we are getting awfully close to a full on youth movement.
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1) Alvarez (coming back in about a month)
2) Senga (who knows when he'll be back. Post All-Star Break perhaps?)
3) Diaz now (15 days)
4) & Drew Smith--no loss there lol (sometime in the next month or so I'm guessing).
Am I right? Anyone missing?
P.S. They need to do something with one of the backup catchers before Alvarez comes off the I.L.
*Now Pete looks hurt having been hit in the index finger of his right hand it looks like.
1. believe dmm said alvarez starting a rehab assignment tomorrow? so he should be mid-June.
2. Senga is back at square one basically, so he is 4-6 weeks best case even with no other setbacks.
3. i would guess diaz is shut down for some amount of time (15 day IL to start likely means more than 1 week) so then probably needs at least a 2 week ramp/rehab. i doubt we see him again until he is in full form.
4. drew smith is back in rehab appearances, i think dmm said he'd originally had a set back.
pretty sure we are getting awfully close to a full on youth movement.
Yup. Tomorrow with Bing for Alvarez. Smith had a set back and restarted his rehab (made his first appearance on Sunday) for the Cyclones. We won't be seeing Senga or Diaz anytime soon.
He looks miserable and gives up on AB's which he never used to do.
1/3 of the way thru the season with 14 RBI's?
He picked a great year to win a batting title, that's for sure....
mcneil has shown very little this year and he has the partially torn elbow. im not sure anyone is going to be all that interested even if he's close to free.
marte has something in his bat still so there may be a team willing to take a flier but totally agree, mets have to pay almost all of his money (or maybe what they dont pay they eat in a contract the other team is looking to move).
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and Marte both have negative value. Cohen would have to eat significant money to move either one. Not saying he won't but they are owed over 50 million AFTER 2024.
mcneil has shown very little this year and he has the partially torn elbow. im not sure anyone is going to be all that interested even if he's close to free.
marte has something in his bat still so there may be a team willing to take a flier but totally agree, mets have to pay almost all of his money (or maybe what they dont pay they eat in a contract the other team is looking to move).
McNeil's reputation off the field is also not exactly that of a guy who is going to be cool being a part time player either. Not ideal for another team trading for a guy who looks awful right now. I don't think either one would be moved without Cohen eating big money.
Meant to write 76-86, not 74-88.
7 pitches over 95 just today.
Thomas Nestico
@TJStats
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David Peterson made his return from the IL today with a solid start against the Dodgers.
Peterson generated a good amount of chases and held the Dodgers to 2 ER. His stuff graded out about average, and his sinker limited damage.
David O'Brien
Verified
@DOBrienATL
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7m
David Fletcher -- yes, the infielder -- started tonight for Triple-A Gwinnett and pitched 5 innings of 3-hit ball with 2 runs, 1 walk, 6 Ks. Struck out Jackson Holiday among others. He features a knuckleball. They've used him to pitch a few times but this was his first start.
@AbbeyMastracco
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Jorge Lopez’s expletive-filled explanation of what happened with the 3B ump went a bit off the rails, he said the Mets are the “worst team” and he thinks he embarrassed them. He doesn’t regret tossing the glove.
No one should be off limits. Trade everyone.
I have nothing against Mendoza, but what a disaster.
good reminder why "you get what you pay for" is usually truism
good for lindor saying that the team meeting had nothing to do with lopez and losing that game had nothing to do with lopez. his comments re the meeting were interesting and seemed genuine.
big spotlight on stearns and mendoza to show something tangible beyond DFA'ing a reliever practically begging for his own release. in terms of clubhouse morale this feels like the lowest point of both rojas and mick the dick, minus the sexual harassment (hopefully). also a good reminder why a respected pro like buck was such a popular choice in the first place. something is rotten in there and they need to root it out.
b) jerry blevins worn out shoes slipping on a curb
c) team puerto rico's WBC celebration
Boddy Ojeda's hedge clipper has entered the room.
And what happened today won't be the last bizarre thing that happens this year, I think we all know that.
He has to show some kind of pulse that he can handle the clubhouse.
110 games to go is a lot of baseball.
Mendoza? Can't blame him for the ugly numbers the highest paid players are putting up, but you've got to wonder how long he lasts.
Buck is probably thanking his lucky stars he's not a part of this mess.
Meanwhile Cohen seems most interested in the issues he's having with building his casino and entertainment center....
And what happened today won't be the last bizarre thing that happens this year, I think we all know that.
He has to show some kind of pulse that he can handle the clubhouse.
he doesnt strike me as in over his head as callaway did at this point. i remember pretty clearly thinking very quickly that callaway was a mistake they needed to get rid of to the point of wanting terry collins back.
this feels more like luis rojas in august 2021, when ironically they got swept by the LAD with diaz blowing either 1 or 2 games. watching a wreck happening in slow motion with a manager frozen in time.
there's time for mendoza to save himself, all he has to do is find a way for this team to not continue shooting itself in the dick.
Lopez is another notch in the growing list of his piss poor signings. This team is also full of proven players that continue to be worse players. Get a hold of your team, David.
Eric on Li : mute : 6/10/2018 9:55 am : link
I'm pretty sure the answer yes with 1 caveat - what is the internal opinion of Callaway? Rhetorical question, unless you want to answer. His comments/behavior the last couple weeks may have cratered the entire clubhouse when it may have just been a down period due to injuries. If I had the opinion that he's a guy truly in over his head and not just a rookie manager making some mistakes, I'd seriously consider giving Collins a month before the deadline to see what happens.
This roster is highly highly flawed. But if they get to the halfway point of the season with a healthy Thor/JDG/Familia and Matz/Wheeler are still pitching well and they're within 3-4 games, this shithole roster would still have a better chance at a miracle run than most others this franchise has fielded this decade. And a better chance than the rosters in the future since I highly doubt they are signing a better closer this offseason and there are only so many years left with JDG/Thor together.
spoiler alert, the mets did only get 1 more season with jdg, thor, and wheeler together healthy, and it was with mickey callaway.
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Somehow, I don't think so...
Lopez is another notch in the growing list of his piss poor signings. This team is also full of proven players that continue to be worse players. Get a hold of your team, David.
I'm pretty sure he has a hold of the team - keeping in mind he basically has been here for 6 months. You need to simmer down.
And why don't you mention Severino, Manaea? Two very good signings so far. Imagine where this team would be without them? Shudder.
Lopez and Wendle were nothing more than filler signings. Do I love that they didn't give Vientos a shot right away, sure - but he's here now, isn't he?
This team stinks right now because Diaz is back to being a headcase with physical maladies that may or may not exist. Their 5 or 6 highest paid players generally comparative to their contract value, and expectations altogether, have just all have sucked tremendously.
I put this entirely right now on the players - it's on them and put the metrics aside - really there's something going on off the field or that needs some shaman magic to resolve but I think it exists between the guys like Alonso/McNeil who came up here and the guys brought in on big deals. I think you are going to see McNeil and Alonso jettisoned but probably stuck with Lindor and Stearns has to find ways to quasi build a new core with him as part of it with Alvarez and other prospects.
i think they are in different situations but i do agree that there is probably some form of a rift along these lines.
this is just a theory to try to unify some of the weird problems across so many different leaderships since 2021, but i think there was a natural jealousy that probably emerged between homegrown players who werent paid (and all hired Boras) and guys cohen was bringing in and handing record deals to.
it is a natural human emotion to want "theirs" but the problem is many misjudged themselves. started with conforto who turned down a rumored 100m+ offer from mets. then played poorly in a contract year and ultimately got less. and now we have pete doing the same thing after 2+ years of rumored extension discussions he passed on.
mcneil actually took the reasonable extension off his batting title year, i think his problems are more wear/tear and maybe personality related. he seems to not handle struggling well.
i think nimmo and lindor were good extensions but created a false hope that everyone was going to get paid top dollar when that's just not realistic. and while both are comfortably all star level players neither has risen to the mvp level of a judge/soto. if alonso truly cared about winning as much as he says he would have quietly signed a deal along the lines of what olsen got. imo that in part is why braves are braves and mets are mets. they have chosen guys who care more about focusing on baseball without distractions even if it costs them a little $.
alonso/boras wanted to (and have) portrayed him as the met version of judge, but when it came time to do what judge did in his walk year he obviously hasnt done that.
he was referring to himself. that he looked like the worst teammate in mlb for getting himself thrown out.
what he said was honest and not wrong, sny did a shit job portraying it when he didnt have a translator with him and was clearly not communicating his thoughts the clearest.
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
(1) On the Jorge Lopez debacle and the weird debate that followed. Let’s put this in context.
Lopez was visibly upset when we walked into the clubhouse, long after he’d been ejected, tossing his glove into the stands.
He looked like he’d been crying at his locker. 🧵
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
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(2) English is not his first language, not a cop out, a fact.
This is evidenced by the 3+ minute audio I, along with other reporters - the Mets beat is awesome BTW - combed through.
It was difficult to understand a good portion of it, especially the clip in question.
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
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(3) He says, “I think I been looking (like) the worst teammate probably in the whole f---ing MLB.”
SNY posted the clip with the quote: “I think I’ve been on the worst team in probably the whole f---ing MLB.”
Key word: “looking” doesn’t make sense (or appear) in the latter.
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
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(4) Later,
@SteveGelbs
asked Lopez to clarify if he said, “I’m on the worst team” and Lopez says, “probably, yeah.”
This is undeniable, though I still feel with an interpreter by his side, it doesn’t play out this way.
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
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(5) Later, Lopez doubles down on both “team” and “teammate” after the game, away from cameras, a source told the great
@AnthonyDiComo
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This is after a person with knowledge of the situation told reporters Lopez was being DFAd FWIW.
At this point, what’s the difference?
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
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(6) This isn’t a matter of making excuses for a player, who had dealt with mental health issues in the past, clearly having an on field breakdown that continued long after the game ended.
Lopez was wrong for his actions. He’s wrong for blasting his team in his clarifications.
Manny Gómez
@MannyGo3
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(7) His actions on the field + denying to the press that he had met with team officials + cursing in front of cameras in a postgame interview forced the Mets’ hand.
I hope that he’s receiving the help he needs in this time. Something clearly wasn’t right from what I could see.
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when discussing his “the worst in MLB” comment, he was asked if he was referring to the team, or a teammate, and he said “both”. Any idea what teammate he was referring to?
he was referring to himself. that he looked like the worst teammate in mlb for getting himself thrown out.
what he said was honest and not wrong, sny did a shit job portraying it when he didnt have a translator with him and was clearly not communicating his thoughts the clearest.
Got it, thanks. It's too bad, I thought he was pretty good, and at least he gave a shit.
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when discussing his “the worst in MLB” comment, he was asked if he was referring to the team, or a teammate, and he said “both”. Any idea what teammate he was referring to?
he was referring to himself. that he looked like the worst teammate in mlb for getting himself thrown out.
what he said was honest and not wrong, sny did a shit job portraying it when he didnt have a translator with him and was clearly not communicating his thoughts the clearest.
Got it, thanks. It's too bad, I thought he was pretty good, and at least he gave a shit.
agreed, i think he clearly had something snap on the field though. when things get bad here it's a challenge for anybody and some guys just cant respond the right way to it.
sny did a shitty job trying to make what they didnt even know if said or not sound worse than it was.
the barrel rate is legit.
the defense has been stellar.
91mph avg EV is up there with best on the team.
he will never be a great hitter but he has made some loud contact at times they needed it.
Perception is reality in this day and age and Gelbs did not help Lopez at all with this.
I’m with Sammo and Cooper, at least he showed he cared.
Yes, where was the Met's PR department in all of this?
A clearly shaken player, who is doing his best to understand and converse in English, not his primary language, is left alone in front of his locker to answer to the media after his melt down on the field.
Bad job Mets PR staff....
Also if he gets picked up by braves lol
@SNY_Mets
The CT scan on Pete Alonso's right hand was negative, reports @martinonyc
He is day-to-day
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I think it exists between the guys like Alonso/McNeil who came up here and the guys brought in on big deals.
i think they are in different situations but i do agree that there is probably some form of a rift along these lines.
this is just a theory to try to unify some of the weird problems across so many different leaderships since 2021, but i think there was a natural jealousy that probably emerged between homegrown players who werent paid (and all hired Boras) and guys cohen was bringing in and handing record deals to.
it is a natural human emotion to want "theirs" but the problem is many misjudged themselves. started with conforto who turned down a rumored 100m+ offer from mets. then played poorly in a contract year and ultimately got less. and now we have pete doing the same thing after 2+ years of rumored extension discussions he passed on.
mcneil actually took the reasonable extension off his batting title year, i think his problems are more wear/tear and maybe personality related. he seems to not handle struggling well.
i think nimmo and lindor were good extensions but created a false hope that everyone was going to get paid top dollar when that's just not realistic. and while both are comfortably all star level players neither has risen to the mvp level of a judge/soto. if alonso truly cared about winning as much as he says he would have quietly signed a deal along the lines of what olsen got. imo that in part is why braves are braves and mets are mets. they have chosen guys who care more about focusing on baseball without distractions even if it costs them a little $.
alonso/boras wanted to (and have) portrayed him as the met version of judge, but when it came time to do what judge did in his walk year he obviously hasnt done that.
Agreed - while I am not a Lindor fan or "trustee" - he at least had a Cleveland track record to argue off of as a cornerstone player (won't criticize Mets even though the contract is gross - it is timing on market and what MLB pays) and while I worry about him offensively comparatively as a clutch player, he goes out there every day and plays and provides sufficiently good defense for now.
I still think Nimmo can be salvageable as a bat - even if we assume the last 2 years on his deal will probably be a net stash/negative in terms of value or status to team.
I'm out on Alonso/McNeil/Marte for various reasons and I trust Stearns probably is too. Diaz has to be salvaged somehow someway or that is a huge anchor/problem.
What will be interesting to watch is how he pivots over next two years with some flexibility back in hand and integrating younger talent onto roster and the philosophy and culture of competing. Fitting in or deciding on Baty, Vientos, Acuna, Gilbert or others - I suspect Stearns is going to have to do some interesting trading - which I advocate for to find pieces that can fit and need a shot.
here are guys they've drafted in that range the last few years, so believe it or not the QO gives them what looks to be a decent chance at a top 100ish prospect:
2021 - Scott (5th, $350k), Vasil (8th, $190k)
2022 - Tong (7th, $226k)
2023 - AJ Ewing ($675k, was the comp pick for Bassitt I think)
so i'd again caution not throwing the baby out with bathwater. pete imo is in a very different category from Marte/McNeil who are both clearly athletically diminished from 2 years ago and have participated in some known clubhouse irregularities.
id trade pete for something really good, but he's the guy i think is least likely to be the cancer and like lindor still one of the most productive players on the roster that offensively has been reasonably productive even while underperforming.
@MBrownstein89
Most hard-hit balls (95+ mph) by a team in the month of May along with their W/L record this month:
Philadelphia Phillies: 294 (19-7)
New York Yankees: 291 (19-7)
New York Mets: 291 (7-19)
@Metsmerized
#Mets
Mets reportedly offered him seven years and $158 million last summer, so he’s clearly not going to accept that. If he doesn’t rebound this season the market for him may be more tepid than he likes, but can probably get at least 5-6 years, $20-$25M per.
Perception is reality in this day and age and Gelbs did not help Lopez at all with this.
I’m with Sammo and Cooper, at least he showed he cared.
Gelbs is a twat and is about only himself. Never trust the media.
I remember that! Oh $hit. This fugly. Stearns and Mendozaline aren't exactly MacArthur and Ike...
If the language is a problem that's on the Mets for not having an interpreter as well as the Mets PR for not handling it. Not Gelbs.
Plus frankly, the Mets still haven't come out and said that's not what he said or meant. So it's obvious to me, they think that is what he said and meant.
@PSLToFlushing
Francisco Alvarez is batting 2nd and catching tonight for @RumblePoniesBB
It is his first rehab appearance since thumb surgery
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he is pacing for 35 homers, 32 doubles, and 80 rbis. he has been historically a clutch player here so i wouldnt entirely close the book on pete yet. not sure im going more than 3 or 4 years with him at this point, but they can QO him and get something back even if he walks.
Mets reportedly offered him seven years and $158 million last summer, so he’s clearly not going to accept that. If he doesn’t rebound this season the market for him may be more tepid than he likes, but can probably get at least 5-6 years, $20-$25M per.
this past offseason:
bellinger entering his age 28, able to play CF/OF/1B, only got 3x80m.
chapman entering his age 31, able to play near GG D at 3b, only got 3x54m.
and on top of them soler, jdm, hoskins.
alonso entering his age 30, 1b-only, off a poor year, and potentially with QO attached? maybe i'd take the over on all those deals but if so not by much.
pete's rc last year was 121, his rc this year is 120.
ops last year was 821, this year his ops is 761.
i would bet A LOT of money he regrets turning down last year's extension offer - which even including in it the 20.5m he's making this year means he gave up an additional 137m guaranteed.
if FA started tomorrow I would 100% take the under on 137m. And honestly i wouldnt be surprised if that is part of what is weighing on Pete. If you regretted turning down $137m and the new regime has been unwilling to negotiate extensions, you'd also probably be pretty ticked off at yourself/representation.
Isaac
@isaacgroffman
Tylor Megill is one the most exciting pitchers in the MLB
Let’s take a look at what makes him so intriguing 🧵#Mets #LGM
In his first two starts after returning from the IL Tylor Megill has shown flashes of brilliance, including a dominant 7 IP 0 ER 9 K performance against the Dodgers.
He likely visited the pitching lab during his time out and he has made some fascinating adjustments...
1. The Fastball
Megill has slightly raised his arm angle in order to get more iVB or “rise” on his Fastball.
This year we have seen him average 16.5 to 17 inches of iVB and top out at 19.7 inches, 19-21 inches in considered elite iVB.
2. A New Slider
Megill has been throwing a different gyro-like Slider as his main secondary pitch.
He throws this pitch a lot harder, topping out at 89 and it has a bit more vertical movement.
This new Slider, combined with his Cutter and high Fastball give Megill a very solid three pitch mix to neutralize right handed batters.
3. The American Spork
This Splitter/Forkball that Megill developed last year, inspired by Kodai Senga's Ghost Fork is one of the most unique pitches in the MLB.
It averages around 500 RPM's which is the lowest spinning pitch in the MLB this year that is not a Knuckleball.
This pitch is so unique because it has spin like a Knuckleball but moves like a Splitter.
He kills so much spin by seperating his fingers far apart on the ball with his huge fingers.
The pitch is a unicorn, and a lethal weapon in his arsenal.
4. Health
I hate to even bring this up. But it seems like every time in the last two years Megill has looked good his shoulder acts up.
Since he is throwing 98 again it would be foolish to forget about the health factor, but lets all collectively knock on wood.
5. Conclusion
Megill has been using a 7-pitch mix. He can bring high heat at 97 or use his Cutter and Slider which cut in at the last second at 90.
And then he can drop a Spork which comes in 10 MPH slower.
(Chart Courtesy of @TJStats)
It's his arm endurance and general availability health that scares the bejesus out of me.
pete's rc last year was 121, his rc this year is 120.
ops last year was 821, this year his ops is 761.
i would bet A LOT of money he regrets turning down last year's extension offer - which even including in it the 20.5m he's making this year means he gave up an additional 137m guaranteed.
if FA started tomorrow I would 100% take the under on 137m. And honestly i wouldnt be surprised if that is part of what is weighing on Pete. If you regretted turning down $137m and the new regime has been unwilling to negotiate extensions, you'd also probably be pretty ticked off at yourself/representation.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens. I like Pete on a personal level, but he scares me on a big money contract and long-term.
It's his arm endurance and general availability health that scares the bejesus out of me.
i've never been a big megill fan, and im least optimistic about any SP staying healthy for obvious reasons. but especially the high velo ones who have never even proven to throw 150 innings.
that said with:
scott
megill
peterson
butto
vasil
sproat
tidwell
it would take a lot of bad luck to not have at least 3 exciting homegrown arms in the rotation 12 months from now.
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last year he slashed .307 / .358 / .525 with 26 homers, 97 rbis, 20 stolen bases. only k'd 15.6%. 881 ops rc 134.
pete's rc last year was 121, his rc this year is 120.
ops last year was 821, this year his ops is 761.
i would bet A LOT of money he regrets turning down last year's extension offer - which even including in it the 20.5m he's making this year means he gave up an additional 137m guaranteed.
if FA started tomorrow I would 100% take the under on 137m. And honestly i wouldnt be surprised if that is part of what is weighing on Pete. If you regretted turning down $137m and the new regime has been unwilling to negotiate extensions, you'd also probably be pretty ticked off at yourself/representation.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens. I like Pete on a personal level, but he scares me on a big money contract and long-term.
agreed, but if he takes the QO im good with that. or if he'd do something 3-years like the bellinger contract (which would get him something like $100m out of the $157m he was offered last year).
if he walks and they get back $500k+ and a draft pick im ok with that.
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last year he slashed .307 / .358 / .525 with 26 homers, 97 rbis, 20 stolen bases. only k'd 15.6%. 881 ops rc 134.
pete's rc last year was 121, his rc this year is 120.
ops last year was 821, this year his ops is 761.
i would bet A LOT of money he regrets turning down last year's extension offer - which even including in it the 20.5m he's making this year means he gave up an additional 137m guaranteed.
if FA started tomorrow I would 100% take the under on 137m. And honestly i wouldnt be surprised if that is part of what is weighing on Pete. If you regretted turning down $137m and the new regime has been unwilling to negotiate extensions, you'd also probably be pretty ticked off at yourself/representation.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens. I like Pete on a personal level, but he scares me on a big money contract and long-term.
agreed, but if he takes the QO im good with that. or if he'd do something 3-years like the bellinger contract (which would get him something like $100m out of the $157m he was offered last year).
if he walks and they get back $500k+ and a draft pick im ok with that.
Me too - but I do hope Stearns is looking into whats going on in the clubhouse too - I'm not so sure Pete may not want to just "get away" and go somewhere else.
Me too - but I do hope Stearns is looking into whats going on in the clubhouse too - I'm not so sure Pete may not want to just "get away" and go somewhere else.
if i were stearns, i may consider 1 last run at Pete for an extension. it's not an easy contract to project right now and i think they would need triggers with opt ins/opt outs so that way there can be an arrangement that works for both sides, pete can earn his top line if he performs with mutual options but mets can get out in say 3 years/80m if he doesnt.
i certainly wouldnt want to keep him if he wants to leave, but i also think he'd probably say fairly right now "i havent been offered a contract to stay from david stearns so what does it matter if i say i want to commit to being here?", so something may have to give to understand the answer to that question better right now.
he hasnt been unreasonably productive relative to his career, but i do think he probably feels unwanted and frustrated by the direction things have gone and how that impacts him. anyone who sees $130m+ gtd go up in smoke would probably feel that way.
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Me too - but I do hope Stearns is looking into whats going on in the clubhouse too - I'm not so sure Pete may not want to just "get away" and go somewhere else.
if i were stearns, i may consider 1 last run at Pete for an extension. it's not an easy contract to project right now and i think they would need triggers with opt ins/opt outs so that way there can be an arrangement that works for both sides, pete can earn his top line if he performs with mutual options but mets can get out in say 3 years/80m if he doesnt.
i certainly wouldnt want to keep him if he wants to leave, but i also think he'd probably say fairly right now "i havent been offered a contract to stay from david stearns so what does it matter if i say i want to commit to being here?", so something may have to give to understand the answer to that question better right now.
he hasnt been unreasonably productive relative to his career, but i do think he probably feels unwanted and frustrated by the direction things have gone and how that impacts him. anyone who sees $130m+ gtd go up in smoke would probably feel that way.
Agreed. Stearns should approach him now.
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Me too - but I do hope Stearns is looking into whats going on in the clubhouse too - I'm not so sure Pete may not want to just "get away" and go somewhere else.
if i were stearns, i may consider 1 last run at Pete for an extension. it's not an easy contract to project right now and i think they would need triggers with opt ins/opt outs so that way there can be an arrangement that works for both sides, pete can earn his top line if he performs with mutual options but mets can get out in say 3 years/80m if he doesnt.
i certainly wouldnt want to keep him if he wants to leave, but i also think he'd probably say fairly right now "i havent been offered a contract to stay from david stearns so what does it matter if i say i want to commit to being here?", so something may have to give to understand the answer to that question better right now.
he hasnt been unreasonably productive relative to his career, but i do think he probably feels unwanted and frustrated by the direction things have gone and how that impacts him. anyone who sees $130m+ gtd go up in smoke would probably feel that way.
I don't think Boras would even consider doing an extension at this moment unless they blow him away
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Me too - but I do hope Stearns is looking into whats going on in the clubhouse too - I'm not so sure Pete may not want to just "get away" and go somewhere else.
if i were stearns, i may consider 1 last run at Pete for an extension. it's not an easy contract to project right now and i think they would need triggers with opt ins/opt outs so that way there can be an arrangement that works for both sides, pete can earn his top line if he performs with mutual options but mets can get out in say 3 years/80m if he doesnt.
i certainly wouldnt want to keep him if he wants to leave, but i also think he'd probably say fairly right now "i havent been offered a contract to stay from david stearns so what does it matter if i say i want to commit to being here?", so something may have to give to understand the answer to that question better right now.
he hasnt been unreasonably productive relative to his career, but i do think he probably feels unwanted and frustrated by the direction things have gone and how that impacts him. anyone who sees $130m+ gtd go up in smoke would probably feel that way.
I don't think Boras would even consider doing an extension at this moment unless they blow him away
Boras hasn't exactly been on fire lately. This past off-season was a disaster for him.
If the language is a problem that's on the Mets for not having an interpreter as well as the Mets PR for not handling it. Not Gelbs.
Plus frankly, the Mets still haven't come out and said that's not what he said or meant. So it's obvious to me, they think that is what he said and meant.
How about not assuming the worst and/or giving him the benefit of the doubt? The media are vultures.
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I don't think Boras would even consider doing an extension at this moment unless they blow him away
Boras hasn't exactly been on fire lately. This past off-season was a disaster for him.
It definitely was. This offseason will show if last year was a one-off or if it's a new trend, with Pete as a big factor in which it becomes
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I don't think Boras would even consider doing an extension at this moment unless they blow him away
Boras hasn't exactly been on fire lately. This past off-season was a disaster for him.
It definitely was. This offseason will show if last year was a one-off or if it's a new trend, with Pete as a big factor in which it becomes
right but does pete risk it?
if mets come to him with a fair deal that's let's say 80m gtd over 3, plus easy mutual options that could take it to 5 years $130m, does he pass?
1 more ball on his wrist or bad 2nd half and he is michael conforto or rhys hoskins getting a 1 year deal.
i get the feeling this offseason he was itching to get the same offer he turned down last year, and now after a brutal free agent market and slow first 1/3 and the team looking like a disaster, i think he likely knows he made a big mistake.
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I don't think Boras would even consider doing an extension at this moment unless they blow him away
Boras hasn't exactly been on fire lately. This past off-season was a disaster for him.
It definitely was. This offseason will show if last year was a one-off or if it's a new trend, with Pete as a big factor in which it becomes
right but does pete risk it?
if mets come to him with a fair deal that's let's say 80m gtd over 3, plus easy mutual options that could take it to 5 years $130m, does he pass?
1 more ball on his wrist or bad 2nd half and he is michael conforto or rhys hoskins getting a 1 year deal.
i get the feeling this offseason he was itching to get the same offer he turned down last year, and now after a brutal free agent market and slow first 1/3 and the team looking like a disaster, i think he likely knows he made a big mistake.
I hope he feels the pressure and takes something like you outlined.