To piggyback off Eli’s comments at his retirement presser.
For me, it is Tuck. He’s probably my second favorite Giant ever. I wish he had spent his entire career here.
For some of you older folks, I gotta imagine Banks, Bavaro, Marshall, Mark Collins, Sam Huff, etc. come to mind.
I don’t count Toomer being on KC training camp roster.
This was kind of an illustration of Reese's downfall. He wisely decided not to spend crazy high money on second contracts, but that also meant that he had to hit on every premium draft pick to replace talent he let walk. He did well on finding defensive tackle talent, but it meant he was spending a second round pick at DT every few years and never really had depth on the line. And when he started missing on high picks, everything fell apart.
Yea, agreed. We've seemingly had a train of good defensive tackles via draft, free agency, and trade. It hasn't stopped our suckitude so it's kind of pointless to pine for what could have been had Linval stayed.
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Bill
You crack me up. You are the BBI version of Ron Swanson and I mean that as compliment.
You love cooking food and teaching people grammar.
The only exception is Mark Bavaro. Hated, hated, seeing him on the Eagles. But I was younger then and free agency hadn't changed everything yet.
Another vote for Bavaro. I even cheered for him as an eagle. When asked how could I do that, I replied that he had not voluntarily left the Giants, rather they cut him saying he was too injured.
Yea, agreed. We've seemingly had a train of good defensive tackles via draft, free agency, and trade. It hasn't stopped our suckitude so it's kind of pointless to pine for what could have been had Linval stayed.
Especially considering how well Hankins did in place of him the next year.
The one thing the Giants have done to your point is develop good IDLs.
Yeah, WTH did Eli Manning ever do anyways.
Right answer would be Bavaro, Collins or Pepper, although Bavaro wasn't that productive after he left. I just hated seeing him in that uniform.
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Brandon Jacobs going to SF is an honorable mention.
this is the answer. worse they paid beason almost as much as joseph got if memory serves and he basically hardly played before retiring.
Not saying that professional athletes don't go on and can be very successful after football but, at the time of retirement I would bet many don't know what the future holds - so grab the money that is in front of you until it is not there anymore.
Bavaro, Banks, Johsnon, Marshall, Howard, Elliott, Hostetler, Meggett, Roberts, Oates, Collins...I would've loved them all to have remained Giants until they retired.
I totally forgot Tuck played for the Raiders.
Joseph did not start the cycle. The pattern of moving on from good DTs goes back to the 1960s.
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the grammar police, but it's "who's", just in case you have to correspond with superiors.
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You crack me up. You are the BBI version of Ron Swanson and I mean that as compliment.
You love cooking food and teaching people grammar.
I don't do the grammar thing very often. It just bugs me when it's in the OP. As a thread starter I know you can't post until you've previewed the OP. So there's really no need for careless mistakes unless you don't give a shit. In that case I don't mind pointing it out.
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Linval being over rated is a clown comment. Much better player than Hankins. Giants let Griffin go but they used a 6th round pick to replace him in Cofield.
Linval (2nd/2010), Austin (2nd/2011), Hankins (2013/2nd) and Bromley (2014/3rd). That is a lot of assets to then give a big contract to Snacks for one outstanding season. How about some interior OL or DE's with those picks? Instead the great destruction of the LoS.
Reese did a lot of damage to the organization over time.
This is the first name that came to me too ... I still see his ‘windup and delivery’ on Kelso in the SB as if it happened yesterday. He was a true beast. Also in the same vein, Everton Walls and Dave Duerson ... both came to the Giants late in their careers but helped solidify the DB.
Linval being over rated is a clown comment. Much better player than Hankins. Giants let Griffin go but they used a 6th round pick to replace him in Cofield.
Linval (2nd/2010), Austin (2nd/2011), Hankins (2013/2nd) and Bromley (2014/3rd). That is a lot of assets to then give a big contract to Snacks for one outstanding season. How about some interior OL or DE's with those picks? Instead the great destruction of the LoS.
Reese did a lot of damage to the organization over time.
Remember they handed out a 6-yr contract to Chris Canty. This was in 2009, and with Robbins being let go (age), Jay Alford (3rd round pick) never materializing, and then letting Cofield go after 2010, back to the draft to find the piece inside by Canty. Linval is picked, and I get it, but the Marvin Austin pick never made sense to me. To make matters worse, he sucked.
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Yea, agreed. We've seemingly had a train of good defensive tackles via draft, free agency, and trade. It hasn't stopped our suckitude so it's kind of pointless to pine for what could have been had Linval stayed.
Especially considering how well Hankins did in place of him the next year.
The one thing the Giants have done to your point is develop good IDLs.
Disagree. Hankins had a nice year sack-wise in 2014 (the year after Joseph left) but the Giants were garbage against the run. 3rd worst in the league in total rushing yards. Worst in the league in yards per attempt (4.9). They basically made every running back look like Jim Brown.
The year before with Joseph they were #4 in the league in yards per attempt. And Hankins was a meh player for the Giants except for that 7-sack season. Wasn't worth a 2nd contract, so rinse and repeat.
Meanwhile Joseph was a rock for Minny for the next 6 years.
Basically 2014 was the start of a string of really shitty defenses (some of the worst the Giants have ever fielded), except for 2016.
Was it all because of Joseph getting resigned? Of course not. But as the previous poster said, it was emblematic of Reese letting good players go and using Day 2 picks on bums like Jay Bromley and Owamagbe Odighizuwa.
By the time he left, yes. But you can't discredit his rookie season or the impact he had on a stale offense. He was nothing short of a revelation in 2002.
When you think of it, so many of the greatest Giant players were here for their entire careers. LT, Simms, Eli, Banks, Tuck and Bavaro are the 2, other than Huff, who jump out to me. Ron Johnson, maybe, he played on some awful Giant teams, but was a heck of a RB.
When you think of it, so many of the greatest Giant players were here for their entire careers. LT, Simms, Eli, Banks, Tuck and Bavaro are the 2, other than Huff, who jump out to me. Ron Johnson, maybe, he played on some awful Giant teams, but was a heck of a RB.
My mistake on Ron Johnson, I thought he finished his career in DC, and I had no recollection that he was in Cleveland his rookie year.
A few of the many others Bavaro, McCaffery, Cam Wake, Sam Huff, Rosey Grier, Tom Landry, Tuna, Little Bill & Ernie Adams.
Unless they feel good about Sam Howell, Seattle is another team searching for their next QB.
Kudos to the Parcells call out as that probably bothered me the most. Belichick too of course.
His name is on the fucking championship trophy, you think maybe you could commit the spelling to memory?
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Remember the commercial with Lawrence Taylor ... the premise was he wakes up from a nightmare(?) .....
"and Bill Parcells is coaching the Cowboys"???
A true Giants legend who did nothing wrong