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NFT: The Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones

Grey Pilgrim : 6/2/2024 7:51 am
I prefer the Stones.

To me the Beatles are more Pop and the Stones are more Rock and Roll.

JMO

And You?
Love them both.  
Crispino : 6/2/2024 8:17 am : link
Different styles, both prolific, both influential.
Love them both.  
Crispino : 6/2/2024 8:18 am : link
Different styles, both prolific, both influential.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/2/2024 8:31 am : link
If I had to choose, I'd go with the Beatles. But the Stones are a smidgen behind IMO.
Stones  
bobc : 6/2/2024 8:40 am : link
One was singing that they wanted to hold your hand while the other was singing about satisfaction. Different level of song writing.
Beatles  
x meadowlander : 6/2/2024 8:45 am : link
Because the Beatles aren't 1 band - they reinvented themselves 3-4 times, leaving a fantastic legacy of phenomenal, trend-setting music across British Invasion, Singer Songwriter, Psychedelic. Modern Rock, by the end were pushing the envelope in the same heavy rock/blues genre the Stones spent most of their career in.

The legacy of hit singles and top-10 albums the Beatles recorded over 6 years is just staggering and at least once every few months, I'll find myself dabbling in one of those great albums.

Back then, you were either a...  
BMac : 6/2/2024 8:45 am : link
...Chevy guy or a Ford Guy, and a Beatles fan or a Stones fan. I was a Chevy guy and a Stones fan. Never did like bubble gum.
RE: Back then, you were either a...  
Gman11 : 6/2/2024 9:09 am : link
In comment 16529138 BMac said:
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...Chevy guy or a Ford Guy, and a Beatles fan or a Stones fan. I was a Chevy guy and a Stones fan. Never did like bubble gum.


Actually, I was a fan of the Dave Clark 5.

As for Beatles vs Stones in the 60s, it's a tie. The Beatles were better singers, the Stones better rockers. Both legends.
Hard to compare a band  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 6/2/2024 9:40 am : link
That made records for 7 years versus 50. Love them both but it is hard to imagine what the Beatles might have accomplished had they not fallen apart when they did.
My mother is a Beatles  
pjcas18 : 6/2/2024 9:46 am : link
fan, so while they do have some nostalgia for me, for that reason I'm out. Stones win by default.

Can't be a fan of the same band as your parents. it would be like if all of a sudden I became a Taylor Swift fan. My kids would probably abandon her.

Stones followed very closely by Beatles  
Sec 103 : 6/2/2024 9:48 am : link
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Stones all day  
Darwinian : 6/2/2024 9:49 am : link
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Like others have said, one is pop,  
barens : 6/2/2024 9:49 am : link
the other is rock and roll. Absolutely nothing against the Beatles, but the Stones all day.
The Rolling Stones  
HardTruth : 6/2/2024 9:50 am : link
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Named Later : 6/2/2024 9:56 am : link
In my opinion, when comparing the two bands you have to include their record Producers too. The Beatles had Sir George Martin working with them. The Stones had Andrew Loog Oldham. Point for the Beatles.

Also, consider the untimely demise of Brian Jones, who was one of the early leaders of the Stones.

I liked both bands back in the day. They each introduced new musical influences. They opened the flood gates for every British band that ever picked up a guitar.

Remember that there was no such thing as Music Videos. You heard a 3 minute song on a transistor AM radio. If you liked it, you bought the record.
It's never Beatles or Stones to me  
averagejoe : 6/2/2024 9:57 am : link
It's Beatles AND Stones . No Band can ever be compared to the Beatles. They are in their own category. They redefined what pop music was. Previous to them it was crooners like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis....etc. Rock and Roll was still considered a novelty or a teen fad . They changed that .The quality of their massive output in seven years was astonishing. I always loved the Stones raunchy R&B sound and their hit records still sound great today. But really their reputation is based on 20 songs they recorded sixty years ago that they are still playing in concert .Loved them both . Always will .
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Micko : 6/2/2024 10:01 am : link
Stones.
RE: It's never Beatles or Stones to me  
FanSinceYA : 6/2/2024 10:21 am : link
+1
Stones  
BigBlueinDE : 6/2/2024 10:27 am : link
hands down. Was never a huge fan of the Beatles although, of course, I recognize their influence and importance.
Stones vs Beatles is comparing apples & oranges  
truebluelarry : 6/2/2024 11:19 am : link
they are so different. I like them both and for different reasons. I listen to whatever mood I happen to be in.

I remember way back the argument was who's better, the Stones or the Yardbirds. Both blues-heavy influenced Brit Invasion bands with a lot of crossover appeal.

Another one was who's the better drummer, John Bonham or Ginger Baker?


Two of the greatest bands.  
Giant John : 6/2/2024 11:22 am : link
Music is so different so would not compare them from a musical perspective.
The Beatles…  
Vinny from Danbury : 6/2/2024 11:25 am : link
And it’s not close.
Some may remember the BBI musicologist  
Section331 : 6/2/2024 11:37 am : link
Jeff McKee, who had what I thought was a great analogy for the Beatles v the Stones. He felt the Beatles were like Ted Williams, with his higher overall BA, while the Stones were more like DiMaggio, their string of albums from Beggars Banquet to Exile was akin to DiMaggio’s hitting streak.

Who I prefer depends on what I feel like listening to. The Stones are more fun, with more energy, while the Beatles were more thought-provoking.
The Beatles for me  
US1 Giants : 6/2/2024 11:48 am : link
I like a lot of the Stones songs. I probably like bands like CCR more than the Stones too.
They are equally  
gridirony : 6/2/2024 11:54 am : link
unlistenable, too me.
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Named Later : 6/2/2024 12:06 pm : link
Starting in 1965, the Beatles released this string of classic albums --

1965: Rubber Soul
1966: Revolver
1967: Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band
1968: The White Album
1969: Abbey Road

The Stones played 'Catch-Up' in a way with the following classics --

1967: Satanic Majesties Request (as a counterpoint to Sgt., Pepper)
1968: Beggars Banquet
1969: Let it Bleed
1971: Sticky Fingers

All 9 albums are great collections of contemporary music. I think the edge goes to the Beatles over this time frame.

Since the Beatles stopped touring with the Rooftop Concert, and the Stones continued as a Live Band over the following 50 years....Edge to the Stones.
The Stones and I don’t have to think about it for a second  
Greg from LI : 6/2/2024 12:13 pm : link
I can acknowledge how enormously influential the Beatles were, but I never liked them much. It’s a gut reaction. The Stones hooked me when the Beatles never did.
I was born after you had to choose (I am 52)  
larryflower37 : 6/2/2024 1:37 pm : link
But I can't listen to the Beatles, it's the same with the beach boys it's just feels like old pop music and when they try and push the envelope it's just doesn't work.
The Stones are different with me the blues/country rock fusion just works and lyrically they just hit differently from a depth level.
Obviously IMO and not trying to kill the Beatles
I don't really like either  
Eli Wilson : 6/2/2024 1:52 pm : link
I'm 52, and the first musical group I liked was KISS.

From there I pretty much went the metal route. AC/DC, Metallica, etc.

RE: I was born after you had to choose (I am 52)  
Gman11 : 6/2/2024 1:53 pm : link
In comment 16529254 larryflower37 said:
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But I can't listen to the Beatles, it's the same with the beach boys it's just feels like old pop music and when they try and push the envelope it's just doesn't work.


I think once they grew out of the pop radio sound (Baby, you can drive my car. Beep beep, beep beep yeah) they got a lot better. Still, some of their old stuff is really good like Help! Their version of Twist and Shout - if it doesn't get you singing along there's something wrong with you.

I wasn't a fan of the nonsense (I am the Walrus, Come Together), but there was some mighty fine songwriting in the later 60s.
RE: It's never Beatles or Stones to me  
HardTruth : 6/2/2024 2:56 pm : link
In comment 16529155 averagejoe said:
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It's Beatles AND Stones . No Band can ever be compared to the Beatles. They are in their own category. They redefined what pop music was. Previous to them it was crooners like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis....etc. Rock and Roll was still considered a novelty or a teen fad . They changed that .The quality of their massive output in seven years was astonishing. I always loved the Stones raunchy R&B sound and their hit records still sound great today. But really their reputation is based on 20 songs they recorded sixty years ago that they are still playing in concert .Loved them both . Always will .


What about Elvis?
Beatles  
AROCK1000 : 6/2/2024 3:34 pm : link
But the Stones were around alot longer and were still relevant until Some Girls or perhaps Tattoo You.
RE: RE: It's never Beatles or Stones to me  
averagejoe : 6/2/2024 3:38 pm : link
In comment 16529306 HardTruth said:
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It's Beatles AND Stones . No Band can ever be compared to the Beatles. They are in their own category. They redefined what pop music was. Previous to them it was crooners like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis....etc. Rock and Roll was still considered a novelty or a teen fad . They changed that .The quality of their massive output in seven years was astonishing. I always loved the Stones raunchy R&B sound and their hit records still sound great today. But really their reputation is based on 20 songs they recorded sixty years ago that they are still playing in concert .Loved them both . Always will .



What about Elvis?


Elvis was awesome as were Little Richard Chuck Berry The Everly's Buddy Holly Carl Perkins Jerry Lee and all the originals. They invented the form the Beatles perfected. But they all faded. Sadly Elvis also viewed Rock and Roll as a passing fad and really wanted to be a movie Star . The Beatles added melody and harmonies to the original R&B recipe and put them all out of work .
pop rock  
fkap : 6/2/2024 3:56 pm : link
as embodied by the Beatles, was firmly established by the time they rolled around. They were kings of the hit chart, but pop rock would have been just fine without them.

This is a good example of people putting too much credit on the Beatles. There's no doubt they made a solid contribution to the genre, maybe more than any other individual artist/group (although Les Paul may argue otherwise), but c'mon.

pop rock  
fkap : 6/2/2024 3:56 pm : link
as embodied by the Beatles, was firmly established by the time they rolled around. They were kings of the hit chart, but pop rock would have been just fine without them.

This is a good example of people putting too much credit on the Beatles. There's no doubt they made a solid contribution to the genre, maybe more than any other individual artist/group (although Les Paul may argue otherwise), but c'mon.

Sorry, but the Beatles never put an album out as good as Let it Bleed  
sb from NYT Forum : 6/2/2024 4:03 pm : link
...or Begger's Banquet, Sticky Fingers or Exile.

By 1968 the Stones were by far the better band, IMO.
RE: Sorry, but the Beatles never put an album out as good as Let it Bleed  
AROCK1000 : 6/2/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16529344 sb from NYT Forum said:
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...or Begger's Banquet, Sticky Fingers or Exile.

By 1968 the Stones were by far the better band, IMO.

That 4 album run was incredible....
But Rubber Soul,Revolver and Pepper were better albums top to bottom.
Exile is one of those albums that the critics loved and i never quite agreed with...that said if it was a single album with the best tracks on it, I would feel differently.
that said,i could say the same for the White Album.
If you take the best of that onto 1 album,you have something equal to the best of the Beatles.Let it Be and Abbey Road aint exactly anything to sneeze at either.
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Named Later : 6/2/2024 4:37 pm : link
I purposefully left 'Exile on Main' off of my list of Classics.

For a double album, I'm hard pressed to find 4 good songs on all 4 sides. That album was put together to spite Allen Klein and ABKCO.

The Stones were kind of searching for another guitarist until Ronnie Wood joined the band in 1976.
RE: RE: Sorry, but the Beatles never put an album out as good as Let it Bleed  
Darwinian : 6/2/2024 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16529353 AROCK1000 said:
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...or Begger's Banquet, Sticky Fingers or Exile.

By 1968 the Stones were by far the better band, IMO.


That 4 album run was incredible....
But Rubber Soul,Revolver and Pepper were better albums top to bottom.
Exile is one of those albums that the critics loved and i never quite agreed with...that said if it was a single album with the best tracks on it, I would feel differently.
that said,i could say the same for the White Album.
If you take the best of that onto 1 album,you have something equal to the best of the Beatles.Let it Be and Abbey Road aint exactly anything to sneeze at either.


It's all opinions. I don't think there's any Beatles album as good as the Stones big 4 run: BB, LIB, SF, EOMS. And I don't think it's close. Especially Sgt Peppers, the most overrated album in rock history. I can name 100 albums I like better. I can't listen to it.
Named later  
AROCK1000 : 6/2/2024 5:27 pm : link
In comment 16529366 Named Later said:
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I purposefully left 'Exile on Main' off of my list of Classics.

For a double album, I'm hard pressed to find 4 good songs on all 4 sides. That album was put together to spite Allen Klein and ABKCO.

The Stones were kind of searching for another guitarist until Ronnie Wood joined the band in 1976.

100% agreed
Darwinian  
AROCK1000 : 6/2/2024 5:31 pm : link
In comment 16529371 Darwinian said:
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...or Begger's Banquet, Sticky Fingers or Exile.

By 1968 the Stones were by far the better band, IMO.


That 4 album run was incredible....
But Rubber Soul,Revolver and Pepper were better albums top to bottom.
Exile is one of those albums that the critics loved and i never quite agreed with...that said if it was a single album with the best tracks on it, I would feel differently.
that said,i could say the same for the White Album.
If you take the best of that onto 1 album,you have something equal to the best of the Beatles.Let it Be and Abbey Road aint exactly anything to sneeze at either.



It's all opinions. I don't think there's any Beatles album as good as the Stones big 4 run: BB, LIB, SF, EOMS. And I don't think it's close. Especially Sgt Peppers, the most overrated album in rock history. I can name 100 albums I like better. I can't listen to it.

Sgt Pepper must be viewed from the lens of how it changed,not only how Rock could sound,but also how it could capture and time and place.The Beatles had albums with more top 10 hits on it,but nothing anyone has ever done will approach the work of Art that they created....
RE: It's never Beatles or Stones to me  
56goat : 6/2/2024 5:48 pm : link
In comment 16529155 averagejoe said:
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It's Beatles AND Stones . No Band can ever be compared to the Beatles. They are in their own category. They redefined what pop music was. Previous to them it was crooners like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis....etc. Rock and Roll was still considered a novelty or a teen fad . They changed that .The quality of their massive output in seven years was astonishing. I always loved the Stones raunchy R&B sound and their hit records still sound great today. But really their reputation is based on 20 songs they recorded sixty years ago that they are still playing in concert .Loved them both . Always will .


This. I like them both, but what the Beatles put out in a relatively short time period dwarfs what the Stones did. In 50 years the Stones should have done a lot more than what they did.
The Stones have grown  
dabru : 6/2/2024 5:51 pm : link
on me over the years, I always liked them but I really like them more now. OTOH, the Beatles never did it for me, the do have a few songs I absolutely love tho. The Beatles weren’t a band in the classic sense to me either, while being great musicians, songwriters and producers of albums they just didn’t do it live enough. It would have been nice to have them releasing some great concert footage along with the different studio mixes that have come out.
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dabru : 6/2/2024 5:58 pm : link
In comment 16529324 averagejoe said:
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It's Beatles AND Stones . No Band can ever be compared to the Beatles. They are in their own category. They redefined what pop music was. Previous to them it was crooners like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis....etc. Rock and Roll was still considered a novelty or a teen fad . They changed that .The quality of their massive output in seven years was astonishing. I always loved the Stones raunchy R&B sound and their hit records still sound great today. But really their reputation is based on 20 songs they recorded sixty years ago that they are still playing in concert .Loved them both . Always will .



What about Elvis?



Elvis was awesome as were Little Richard Chuck Berry The Everly's Buddy Holly Carl Perkins Jerry Lee and all the originals. They invented the form the Beatles perfected. But they all faded. Sadly Elvis also viewed Rock and Roll as a passing fad and really wanted to be a movie Star . The Beatles added melody and harmonies to the original R&B recipe and put them all out of work .


I have wondered about how American rock and roll might have progressed if Buddy Holly hadn’t died at 23, even that kid Richie Valens had a bright future .
The day the music died...  
AROCK1000 : 6/2/2024 6:17 pm : link
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It's Beatles AND Stones . No Band can ever be compared to the Beatles. They are in their own category. They redefined what pop music was. Previous to them it was crooners like Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis....etc. Rock and Roll was still considered a novelty or a teen fad . They changed that .The quality of their massive output in seven years was astonishing. I always loved the Stones raunchy R&B sound and their hit records still sound great today. But really their reputation is based on 20 songs they recorded sixty years ago that they are still playing in concert .Loved them both . Always will .



What about Elvis?



Elvis was awesome as were Little Richard Chuck Berry The Everly's Buddy Holly Carl Perkins Jerry Lee and all the originals. They invented the form the Beatles perfected. But they all faded. Sadly Elvis also viewed Rock and Roll as a passing fad and really wanted to be a movie Star . The Beatles added melody and harmonies to the original R&B recipe and put them all out of work .



I have wondered about how American rock and roll might have progressed if Buddy Holly hadn’t died at 23, even that kid Richie Valens had a bright future .
Back in the day I was a Stones fan.  
JerseyCityJoe : 6/2/2024 6:24 pm : link
Saw them at the Garden. But good lord trying to get tickets to see the Beatles was a whole another thing entirely. Beatle Mania was a real thing.
Stones vs. The Who  
bluefin : 6/2/2024 6:33 pm : link
The Who were tighter and rocked harder than The Stones, especially during the 1970’s.
The Beatles are their own category.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/2/2024 6:46 pm : link
Sgt. Pepper’s is an awesome album. I totally disagree with those who think otherwise.
RE: Named later  
Named Later : 6/2/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16529389 AROCK1000 said:
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I purposefully left 'Exile on Main' off of my list of Classics.

For a double album, I'm hard pressed to find 4 good songs on all 4 sides. That album was put together to spite Allen Klein and ABKCO.

The Stones were kind of searching for another guitarist until Ronnie Wood joined the band in 1976.


100% agreed


Yeah, Exile on Main doesn't belong with those other great Stones albums, which are all-time classics.

After you hear Tumblin' Dice, Happy, and maybe Sweet Virginia.....the rest of it is filler to satisfy a bad contract they signed with Allen Klein.
I enjoy listening to the Stones now and then, but I enjoy listening to  
Ira : 6/2/2024 7:27 pm : link
the Beatles anytime.
The Beatles changed the world in some ways, not just music -  
Del Shofner : 6/2/2024 7:45 pm : link
- I don't think the Stones did that.

But the Stones are/were a better rock band as such.
Del  
AROCK1000 : 6/2/2024 8:27 pm : link
In comment 16529494 Del Shofner said:
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- I don't think the Stones did that.

But the Stones are/were a better rock band as such.

Agreed and I think even the Beatles would agree...
They were a pop band who reached heights never seen before or since...
But in terms of stripped down rock n roll...the Stones had em
It’s all about preference  
djm : 6/2/2024 9:07 pm : link
But no band produced to the level or displayed the big hits batting average that the Beatles displayed. Pick a random song from the Beatles, just throw a dart wt their entire catalogue and there’s a better than average chance you picked a great song. Or a “hit.”

Seinfeld said it best. No musical act In recorded history ever reached the popularity of peak that the beatles did right around the time of their last live show, or right before rubber soul. Right about that time as the Beatles peak of popularity was at its very peak, a peak never seen before in history, what did the Beatles do next? They got even better. They went into the studios and embarked on a run of albums that produced the most successful or consistent run of hits ever. At their peak of popularity they got even better.

To me it’s the Beatles. The Stones had an insanely great peak too and their longevity (mick and Keith) has reached laughable proportions but no one had a better peak than John, Paul, George and Ringo. Shit even their solo works are fantastic.
I said peak 2000 times in one fucking post  
djm : 6/2/2024 9:08 pm : link
I need a timeout. Apologies.
RE: Stones  
djm : 6/2/2024 9:13 pm : link
In comment 16529136 bobc said:
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One was singing that they wanted to hold your hand while the other was singing about satisfaction. Different level of song writing.


Guy I work with always takes this sort of stance that the Beatles were kiddie rock. Nonsense. They started off that way (hold your hand and whatever else early on ) but rubber soul through let it be saw them evolve immensely into complex and provocative song writing. Even Help was mature or pushing the envelop for its time. Not to detract from the stones of course. They definitely wrote amazing and dark shit in their own right. Two of the very best.
RE: I said peak 2000 times in one fucking post  
Del Shofner : 6/2/2024 9:13 pm : link
In comment 16529539 djm said:
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I need a timeout. Apologies.


haha - but you're right. The Beatles had higher peaks, perhaps never to be replicated, but the Stones are a longer-running act. The years while and right after the Beatles were breaking up, the Stones put out a string of the best rock albums ever. And they still exist, they get credit for that!
The Beatles  
uconngiant : 6/2/2024 9:36 pm : link
They played Blues, some jazz, rock, and pop of course. Their influence was more than music in was the culture as well
With the Stones  
HardTruth : 6/2/2024 10:21 pm : link
The older I get the more I like them

And its not meant to be a knock on the Beatles
RE: Love them both.  
short lease : 6/3/2024 2:19 am : link
In comment 16529127 Crispino said:
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Different styles, both prolific, both influential.


Same here ... comparing the Stones to the Beatles though is like comparing Apples to Oranges.

The Beatles were a pop/rock vocal band ... the Stones were a R&B/Blues band who became popish.

If you are comparing the 2 - you are not really a student of the lineage of music. Which is fine but, the 2 bands are so different. Most people think they are same "apple" because they are both from England in the 60's ... they are not.

Comparing the Beatles to the Stones is almost like comparing the Beatles to Black Sabbath (maybe that is a bit of a stretch?) but, the Stones and the Beatles are very far apart style wise.
RE: The Beatles  
short lease : 6/3/2024 2:28 am : link
In comment 16529548 uconngiant said:
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They played Blues, some jazz, rock, and pop of course. Their influence was more than music in was the culture as well


So true ... the Beatles didn't only influence music/musicians of their generation they also influenced an entire culture of their generation! Music, hair style, fashion, speech, etc .... it goes on forever.

I once read a list made by historians of the top 100 events that influenced American history. I think #1 was Columbus discovering America. Then things like the Pilgrims landing on Plymouth rock, Revolutionary war, etc ... Some where around the 70's position - was the Beatles playing on Ed Sullivan. Their influence cannot be measured or over estimated.
RE: Stones  
rnargi : 6/3/2024 8:51 am : link
In comment 16529136 bobc said:
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One was singing that they wanted to hold your hand while the other was singing about satisfaction. Different level of song writing.


Fun fact. The Stones first top 20 hit was I Want To Be Your Man. Written for them by the Beates.
Stones for me, although I do like both  
PatersonPlank : 6/3/2024 9:39 am : link
Now the real question is the Stones vs the Beach Boys (LOL).
RE: With the Stones  
djm : 6/3/2024 11:53 am : link
In comment 16529562 HardTruth said:
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The older I get the more I like them

And its not meant to be a knock on the Beatles


This is me too. Stones are growing on me more and more as I get older.
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