He’s a guaranteed min $50M for 10. The bidding starts there. Yanks will prob try $54-56M hoping that having the highest AA for a position player is enough for Soto. But Steve Cohen or some other desperate team will come in hot with $60M or more per. Teams know that with Judge and Cole the Yanks have a limit.
FWIW Soto appears to be happy on the Yanks. Will getting a few more million per be worth going to likely a lesser team where it would take him longer to get another ring? We’ll see, but Boras seems committed to setting an all time record.
He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!
What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?
That’s not happening but put it this way…if there’s another team in MLB that can afford that, then the Yankees can. There is zero reason for the Yankees to get outbid financially. Soto will increase revenue far greater than what he’s getting paid. There are no excuses for Hal not to beat any and all offers
Will be interesting where he lands up.Sal Licata thinks he’s signing with the Mets because Cohen will out spend anyone. True he will probably offer the most. If all Soto wants is the most money, then he will be a Met. We of course know nothing about what he really wants. Being on the Yankees,he is experiencing that being on the Yankees is like no other team. While on the Padres or Nationals when he was on the road didn’t have 30 percent or more cheering for him when he hits a home run. Does any of that mean anything,who knows.
Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
1) As a fan, right now I say no. But, I don't think Hal feels the same.
2) I am very curious to see how high he goes.
3) The whole Mets thing is ridiculous wishful thinking. They have no appeal other than spending. But, so far, I don't think Cohen has shown the willingness to outbid by the margin it will require. Why in the World would anyone choose the Mets, in their current state, over the Yankees? Nobody in their right mind would.
Agreed. Boras will revel in the attention at the GM and Winter Meetings, as he always does when he’s got the #1 free agent. Yankees will let him have his fun and then pay whatever’s necessary to keep him.
Agreed. Boras will revel in the attention at the GM and Winter Meetings, as he always does when he’s got the #1 free agent. Yankees will let him have his fun and then pay whatever’s necessary to keep him.
95% Soto is a Yankee next year. Boras is not the boogeyman agent he was 20 years ago. The owners have finally been handing him his ass in recent years. He took a bath this past off season having big name clients go all the way to spring training with no deal and having to settle for 1 year deals with outs. Sure when he gets a huge client like Cole he gets them paid but I could teach my pet chimpanzee to get super stars paid when they are FA's. The Mets LOL. Hedge fund managers like Cohen don't get filthy rich throwing bad money after bad. They are a joke right now and are headed for a re-build. The only reason he won't sign before the off season is because of Boros. Trust me he's going nowhere.
Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.
Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.
Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
Why would they have to outbid by a "significant" margin? Some magical Yankees' thing? Soto/Boras will follow the money. The Yankees can't even lure him with the better market argument.
And rebuilding in baseball isn't like the NFL. You don't wait for high draft picks to impact your team right away. It includes signing impactful free agents.
I’m still a Nationals fan but now also Yankees. 1 and 1a. You don’t have to always be a fan of the laundry. The NYG and NYR are the only teams I’ll never stray from.
They are so far from being good. Just because a few Yankees fans bitched in the offseason, doesn't mean Soto will take a chance going to a terrible team. The Mets literally have nothing desirable. No offense.
Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.
Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
I suspect the bigger negotiation point will be number of years. Yanks may want to keep it to 10 years, but the Mets or someone else may offer comparable AAV but 2 extra years or even more
Even a guy as great as Soto, some teams won’t want to be paying him $50 million a year when he’s almost 40, but that’s what the market might command
RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.
They are so far from being good. Just because a few Yankees fans bitched in the offseason, doesn't mean Soto will take a chance going to a terrible team. The Mets literally have nothing desirable. No offense.
So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
RE: RE: RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.
So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
Also the luxury tax (or whatever they're calling it now) seems to be working as intended. At some point you're paying 2x a player's contract price to add him to the team.
RE: RE: RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.
So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
I totally agree. There will and should be many teams vying for his services. You can't count any team out because they are currently bad or not the mystical Yankees. He will go to the highest bidder, plain and simple.
Unless the Mets or any other really bad team offers him insanely more than anyone else, it's not happening. Why would a 25 year old stud who is going to contend this year and clearly cares about winning go to a team like the Mets?
I'm not trying to be a dick or a hater, but the Mets literally have no redeeming qualities. They have big money tied up to bad players, the pitching staff has little in terms of future, they don't really have much youth. Soto isn't making the Mets a contender.
Ohtani's contract structure change things for Soto? Where he gets big money and a team gets some salary relief? I just wonder if SO's contract becomes the new norm for big money FAs
not necessarily true. Pinstripes alone carry a ton of notoriety and likely way more marketing opportunities for Soto. The Mets offering a few million more a season likely wouldn’t cover the loss in endorsements. outside of Ohtani, Harper and Judge have the next most endorsement money and depending on where the info is coming from, it’s by a wide margin.
I wasn’t super high on the Soto trade from the perspective of I hate these long term baseball deals that almost always end up poor in the back end.
.276 BA and really poor corner OF advanced fielding numbers already at a young age these previous 3 years.
I thought he’d be good but overpaid like Giambi was.
So far though, he’s played beyond my expectations. Just absolutely killing it. Even if the later years could be tricky, having the Soto/Judge be the backbone on the team for the next 4+ years just feels too good to pass up. This has been the best Yankee team in ages because of that duo and I don’t think this team should split them up.
Phenomenal pure hitter too. Judge is the better player because of his stupid power but it’s been so cool to watch such a well-rounded hitter like Soto do his thing.
Ohtani's contract structure change things for Soto? Where he gets big money and a team gets some salary relief? I just wonder if SO's contract becomes the new norm for big money FAs
There is a big difference in the two players situations. Ohtani turns 30 next month and everyone knew going in that since he was asking for a lengthy deal, that this was going to be his last major contract (unless he renegotiates). A 10 year deal for example, would mean he was signed through his age 40 season.
As for Soto, he doesn't turn 26 until October- meaning he will play his entire first season under that contract at age 26. Even a 10 year deal means he is only signed through age 36- so a second deal is possible.
In fact, assuming that Soto and Boras are aiming not only to set records for annual salary, but set a new market for stars, they are likely to seek a somewhat shorter deal or have meaningful opt-outs.
For example, if Soto signs a 7 year deal, he's a FA again at age 32- which could set him up for an huge second contract down the road. He could also go for maximum value by going after a 5 year deal after which he would be only 30 and a FA.
A 10-12 year deal doesn't do anything for Soto because he's not a FA again until he's 36-38 years old. Furthermore, it likely limits his earnings since he would be playing at 2025 dollars into his 30's when AVV is likely to be much higher (as new revenue streams appear and rights contracts are negotiated). He's better off going for a series of shorter deals.
What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!
What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?
Still better value than the 2nd ARod contract and Stanton's current one
FWIW Soto appears to be happy on the Yanks. Will getting a few more million per be worth going to likely a lesser team where it would take him longer to get another ring? We’ll see, but Boras seems committed to setting an all time record.
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!
What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?
That’s not happening but put it this way…if there’s another team in MLB that can afford that, then the Yankees can. There is zero reason for the Yankees to get outbid financially. Soto will increase revenue far greater than what he’s getting paid. There are no excuses for Hal not to beat any and all offers
“Pay him. Pay that man his money”
2) I am very curious to see how high he goes.
3) The whole Mets thing is ridiculous wishful thinking. They have no appeal other than spending. But, so far, I don't think Cohen has shown the willingness to outbid by the margin it will require. Why in the World would anyone choose the Mets, in their current state, over the Yankees? Nobody in their right mind would.
Agreed. Boras will revel in the attention at the GM and Winter Meetings, as he always does when he’s got the #1 free agent. Yankees will let him have his fun and then pay whatever’s necessary to keep him.
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It may take awhile though.
Agreed. Boras will revel in the attention at the GM and Winter Meetings, as he always does when he’s got the #1 free agent. Yankees will let him have his fun and then pay whatever’s necessary to keep him.
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!
What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?
Boras is an arrogant ass, but he’s not wrong when he says a guy like Soto increases the value of a franchise in a big way
I don’t know how much too much is for him, but as others have said, the contact will be absurd, yet still worth it for the Yanks to pay it
I also have no doubt multiple other teams will make big offers, Yanks ain’t getting any discount
I can understand still liking a player if he moved on from your favorite team. But flat out changing your "favorite team"?!! Crazy.
Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.
Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
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Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.
Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
Why would they have to outbid by a "significant" margin? Some magical Yankees' thing? Soto/Boras will follow the money. The Yankees can't even lure him with the better market argument.
And rebuilding in baseball isn't like the NFL. You don't wait for high draft picks to impact your team right away. It includes signing impactful free agents.
You might do it, but Hal won't.
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Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.
Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
I suspect the bigger negotiation point will be number of years. Yanks may want to keep it to 10 years, but the Mets or someone else may offer comparable AAV but 2 extra years or even more
Even a guy as great as Soto, some teams won’t want to be paying him $50 million a year when he’s almost 40, but that’s what the market might command
They have many green pieces of paper to offer.
So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
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They have many green pieces of paper to offer.
So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
Also the luxury tax (or whatever they're calling it now) seems to be working as intended. At some point you're paying 2x a player's contract price to add him to the team.
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They have many green pieces of paper to offer.
So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
I totally agree. There will and should be many teams vying for his services. You can't count any team out because they are currently bad or not the mystical Yankees. He will go to the highest bidder, plain and simple.
I'm not trying to be a dick or a hater, but the Mets literally have no redeeming qualities. They have big money tied up to bad players, the pitching staff has little in terms of future, they don't really have much youth. Soto isn't making the Mets a contender.
.276 BA and really poor corner OF advanced fielding numbers already at a young age these previous 3 years.
I thought he’d be good but overpaid like Giambi was.
So far though, he’s played beyond my expectations. Just absolutely killing it. Even if the later years could be tricky, having the Soto/Judge be the backbone on the team for the next 4+ years just feels too good to pass up. This has been the best Yankee team in ages because of that duo and I don’t think this team should split them up.
Phenomenal pure hitter too. Judge is the better player because of his stupid power but it’s been so cool to watch such a well-rounded hitter like Soto do his thing.
There is a big difference in the two players situations. Ohtani turns 30 next month and everyone knew going in that since he was asking for a lengthy deal, that this was going to be his last major contract (unless he renegotiates). A 10 year deal for example, would mean he was signed through his age 40 season.
As for Soto, he doesn't turn 26 until October- meaning he will play his entire first season under that contract at age 26. Even a 10 year deal means he is only signed through age 36- so a second deal is possible.
In fact, assuming that Soto and Boras are aiming not only to set records for annual salary, but set a new market for stars, they are likely to seek a somewhat shorter deal or have meaningful opt-outs.
For example, if Soto signs a 7 year deal, he's a FA again at age 32- which could set him up for an huge second contract down the road. He could also go for maximum value by going after a 5 year deal after which he would be only 30 and a FA.
A 10-12 year deal doesn't do anything for Soto because he's not a FA again until he's 36-38 years old. Furthermore, it likely limits his earnings since he would be playing at 2025 dollars into his 30's when AVV is likely to be much higher (as new revenue streams appear and rights contracts are negotiated). He's better off going for a series of shorter deals.