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NFT: Is there a “walk away price

Saquon'sQuadz : 6/2/2024 7:30 pm
For Juan Soto?

Im not sure there is and I’m not sure the Yankees have an excuse not to sign this guy.

thoughts?
As a Nationals fan I say NO  
Go Giants : 6/2/2024 7:38 pm : link
He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!
They are going to pay him.  
Giant John : 6/2/2024 7:56 pm : link
It may take awhile though.
RE: As a Nationals fan I say NO  
Jim in Fairfax : 6/2/2024 7:56 pm : link
In comment 16529490 Go Giants said:
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!

What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?
RE: RE: As a Nationals fan I say NO  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/2/2024 8:03 pm : link
In comment 16529498 Jim in Fairfax said:
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!


What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?


Still better value than the 2nd ARod contract and Stanton's current one
 
christian : 6/2/2024 8:06 pm : link
Yankees shouldn't mess around and just start at 10/500. You trade for him to lose him.
I think the numbers are simple  
Tony in Tampa : 6/2/2024 8:07 pm : link
He’s a guaranteed min $50M for 10. The bidding starts there. Yanks will prob try $54-56M hoping that having the highest AA for a position player is enough for Soto. But Steve Cohen or some other desperate team will come in hot with $60M or more per. Teams know that with Judge and Cole the Yanks have a limit.

FWIW Soto appears to be happy on the Yanks. Will getting a few more million per be worth going to likely a lesser team where it would take him longer to get another ring? We’ll see, but Boras seems committed to setting an all time record.
RE: RE: As a Nationals fan I say NO  
BigBlueShock : 6/2/2024 8:10 pm : link
In comment 16529498 Jim in Fairfax said:
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!


What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?

That’s not happening but put it this way…if there’s another team in MLB that can afford that, then the Yankees can. There is zero reason for the Yankees to get outbid financially. Soto will increase revenue far greater than what he’s getting paid. There are no excuses for Hal not to beat any and all offers
It  
mitch300 : 6/2/2024 8:14 pm : link
Will be interesting where he lands up.Sal Licata thinks he’s signing with the Mets because Cohen will out spend anyone. True he will probably offer the most. If all Soto wants is the most money, then he will be a Met. We of course know nothing about what he really wants. Being on the Yankees,he is experiencing that being on the Yankees is like no other team. While on the Padres or Nationals when he was on the road didn’t have 30 percent or more cheering for him when he hits a home run. Does any of that mean anything,who knows.
The Mets suck ass  
Greg from LI : 6/2/2024 10:37 pm : link
Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.
No offense but  
xman : 6/2/2024 10:49 pm : link
you are all fired
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You'reMyBoyBlue!! : 6/2/2024 11:58 pm : link
There is not a realistic amount of money where my response would be “that’s too much “

“Pay him. Pay that man his money”
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 6/3/2024 12:13 am : link
1) As a fan, right now I say no. But, I don't think Hal feels the same.

2) I am very curious to see how high he goes.

3) The whole Mets thing is ridiculous wishful thinking. They have no appeal other than spending. But, so far, I don't think Cohen has shown the willingness to outbid by the margin it will require. Why in the World would anyone choose the Mets, in their current state, over the Yankees? Nobody in their right mind would.
RE: They are going to pay him.  
bceagle05 : 6/3/2024 12:20 am : link
In comment 16529497 Giant John said:
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It may take awhile though.

Agreed. Boras will revel in the attention at the GM and Winter Meetings, as he always does when he’s got the #1 free agent. Yankees will let him have his fun and then pay whatever’s necessary to keep him.
RE: RE: They are going to pay him.  
Matt M. : 6/3/2024 12:28 am : link
In comment 16529595 bceagle05 said:
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It may take awhile though.


Agreed. Boras will revel in the attention at the GM and Winter Meetings, as he always does when he’s got the #1 free agent. Yankees will let him have his fun and then pay whatever’s necessary to keep him.
I think Hal definitely has a line he won't cross.
There is a walk-away price  
M.S. : 6/3/2024 8:11 am : link
For every player in every sport.
RE: RE: As a Nationals fan I say NO  
mfsd : 6/3/2024 8:21 am : link
In comment 16529498 Jim in Fairfax said:
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He’s my favorite player. I’m a Yankees fan now just because of him. Pay the man!


What if he wants 15 years, $750 million?


Boras is an arrogant ass, but he’s not wrong when he says a guy like Soto increases the value of a franchise in a big way

I don’t know how much too much is for him, but as others have said, the contact will be absurd, yet still worth it for the Yanks to pay it

I also have no doubt multiple other teams will make big offers, Yanks ain’t getting any discount
Don't agree with a lot in this thread  
Stu11 : 6/3/2024 8:56 am : link
95% Soto is a Yankee next year. Boras is not the boogeyman agent he was 20 years ago. The owners have finally been handing him his ass in recent years. He took a bath this past off season having big name clients go all the way to spring training with no deal and having to settle for 1 year deals with outs. Sure when he gets a huge client like Cole he gets them paid but I could teach my pet chimpanzee to get super stars paid when they are FA's. The Mets LOL. Hedge fund managers like Cohen don't get filthy rich throwing bad money after bad. They are a joke right now and are headed for a re-build. The only reason he won't sign before the off season is because of Boros. Trust me he's going nowhere.
Jim  
Go Giants : 6/3/2024 8:59 am : link
I do not have a walk away price. I love Soto. 10/750 and I’m still doing it.
Fake Fan...  
IchabodGiant : 6/3/2024 10:06 am : link
You changed allegiances to a team because of a player?!!

I can understand still liking a player if he moved on from your favorite team. But flat out changing your "favorite team"?!! Crazy.
RE: The Mets suck ass  
Metnut : 6/3/2024 10:47 am : link
In comment 16529571 Greg from LI said:
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Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.


Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.

Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.
RE: RE: The Mets suck ass  
Pete in MD : 6/3/2024 11:07 am : link
In comment 16529765 Metnut said:
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Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.



Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.

Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.

Why would they have to outbid by a "significant" margin? Some magical Yankees' thing? Soto/Boras will follow the money. The Yankees can't even lure him with the better market argument.

And rebuilding in baseball isn't like the NFL. You don't wait for high draft picks to impact your team right away. It includes signing impactful free agents.
Icabod  
Go Giants : 6/3/2024 11:11 am : link
I’m still a Nationals fan but now also Yankees. 1 and 1a. You don’t have to always be a fan of the laundry. The NYG and NYR are the only teams I’ll never stray from.
RE: Jim  
56goat : 6/3/2024 12:00 pm : link
In comment 16529651 Go Giants said:
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I do not have a walk away price. I love Soto. 10/750 and I’m still doing it.


You might do it, but Hal won't.
Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.  
Kmed6000 : 6/3/2024 12:06 pm : link
They are so far from being good. Just because a few Yankees fans bitched in the offseason, doesn't mean Soto will take a chance going to a terrible team. The Mets literally have nothing desirable. No offense.
RE: RE: The Mets suck ass  
mfsd : 6/3/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16529765 Metnut said:
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Sorry, but they do. They would have to outbid the Yankees by a significant margin to be an option. I would be shocked if the Yankees allowed that to happen.



Mets are certainly having a bad year but things can change fast in MLB. All offseason we read here on BBI from Yankee fans about how bad Cashman was.

Cohen is going to offer at least $550M for him. Soto is clearly going to the highest bidder, so Yankees can either make the top bid or else he'll go elsewhere.


I suspect the bigger negotiation point will be number of years. Yanks may want to keep it to 10 years, but the Mets or someone else may offer comparable AAV but 2 extra years or even more

Even a guy as great as Soto, some teams won’t want to be paying him $50 million a year when he’s almost 40, but that’s what the market might command
RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.  
Pete in MD : 6/3/2024 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16529870 Kmed6000 said:
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They are so far from being good. Just because a few Yankees fans bitched in the offseason, doesn't mean Soto will take a chance going to a terrible team. The Mets literally have nothing desirable. No offense.

They have many green pieces of paper to offer.
Soto  
TyreeHelmet : 6/3/2024 12:32 pm : link
Unless the money is astronomically more, he shouldn't pick the Mets over the Yankees...and I'm a Mets fan.
RE: RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.  
bceagle05 : 6/3/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16529894 Pete in MD said:
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They have many green pieces of paper to offer.

So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.
RE: RE: RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.  
Mike from SI : 6/3/2024 12:38 pm : link
In comment 16529899 bceagle05 said:
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They have many green pieces of paper to offer.


So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.


Also the luxury tax (or whatever they're calling it now) seems to be working as intended. At some point you're paying 2x a player's contract price to add him to the team.
RE: RE: RE: Nothing is changing in 1 offseason for the Mets.  
Pete in MD : 6/3/2024 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16529899 bceagle05 said:
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They have many green pieces of paper to offer.


So do the Yankees, Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, Blue Jays, Orioles (new owners) and others. This Steve Cohen narrative is so tired - once you get beyond a certain threshold of wealth as a baseball owner, you have more than enough to pay players whatever is necessary. You can only pay 26 baseball players so much money.

I totally agree. There will and should be many teams vying for his services. You can't count any team out because they are currently bad or not the mystical Yankees. He will go to the highest bidder, plain and simple.
I disagree.  
Kmed6000 : 6/3/2024 12:50 pm : link
Unless the Mets or any other really bad team offers him insanely more than anyone else, it's not happening. Why would a 25 year old stud who is going to contend this year and clearly cares about winning go to a team like the Mets?

I'm not trying to be a dick or a hater, but the Mets literally have no redeeming qualities. They have big money tied up to bad players, the pitching staff has little in terms of future, they don't really have much youth. Soto isn't making the Mets a contender.
Does  
cjd2404 : 6/3/2024 2:12 pm : link
Ohtani's contract structure change things for Soto? Where he gets big money and a team gets some salary relief? I just wonder if SO's contract becomes the new norm for big money FAs
Pete  
UConn4523 : 6/3/2024 2:32 pm : link
not necessarily true. Pinstripes alone carry a ton of notoriety and likely way more marketing opportunities for Soto. The Mets offering a few million more a season likely wouldn’t cover the loss in endorsements. outside of Ohtani, Harper and Judge have the next most endorsement money and depending on where the info is coming from, it’s by a wide margin.
I’ll admit it  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 6/3/2024 2:45 pm : link
I wasn’t super high on the Soto trade from the perspective of I hate these long term baseball deals that almost always end up poor in the back end.

.276 BA and really poor corner OF advanced fielding numbers already at a young age these previous 3 years.

I thought he’d be good but overpaid like Giambi was.

So far though, he’s played beyond my expectations. Just absolutely killing it. Even if the later years could be tricky, having the Soto/Judge be the backbone on the team for the next 4+ years just feels too good to pass up. This has been the best Yankee team in ages because of that duo and I don’t think this team should split them up.

Phenomenal pure hitter too. Judge is the better player because of his stupid power but it’s been so cool to watch such a well-rounded hitter like Soto do his thing.
RE: Does  
rich in DC : 6/3/2024 2:49 pm : link
In comment 16529972 cjd2404 said:
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Ohtani's contract structure change things for Soto? Where he gets big money and a team gets some salary relief? I just wonder if SO's contract becomes the new norm for big money FAs


There is a big difference in the two players situations. Ohtani turns 30 next month and everyone knew going in that since he was asking for a lengthy deal, that this was going to be his last major contract (unless he renegotiates). A 10 year deal for example, would mean he was signed through his age 40 season.

As for Soto, he doesn't turn 26 until October- meaning he will play his entire first season under that contract at age 26. Even a 10 year deal means he is only signed through age 36- so a second deal is possible.

In fact, assuming that Soto and Boras are aiming not only to set records for annual salary, but set a new market for stars, they are likely to seek a somewhat shorter deal or have meaningful opt-outs.

For example, if Soto signs a 7 year deal, he's a FA again at age 32- which could set him up for an huge second contract down the road. He could also go for maximum value by going after a 5 year deal after which he would be only 30 and a FA.

A 10-12 year deal doesn't do anything for Soto because he's not a FA again until he's 36-38 years old. Furthermore, it likely limits his earnings since he would be playing at 2025 dollars into his 30's when AVV is likely to be much higher (as new revenue streams appear and rights contracts are negotiated). He's better off going for a series of shorter deals.
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