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NFT: ⚾Mets @ Nats Series | Games 1 - 3⚾ Gm 1 - 6:45 pm EDT Start⚾

Optimus-NY : 6/3/2024 5:55 pm
We’re trying something a bit different with the threads starting with this series. Instead of a thread per game, we’re going to try a thread per series due to their being less activity on the daily threads—which is totally understandable since the team is in a tailspin and doesn’t look to be going out of it anytime soon. Let’s see how it goes.

It was suggested we try it this way and we agreed upon it yesterday after we voted on it. If it’s not popular, we can always go back to doing it the old way. Please share your opinion about this change after this series is over on this thread. It won’t be much different. Lineups and starting pitcher matchup graphics will still be posted for each game as before, just consolidated into a single thread. Anywho, let’s give it a swing—and unlike the Mets, hopefully it’ll work! 😂

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Mets @ Nats: Game 1 – ⚾Megill (R) vs. Gore (L)⚾ – 6:45 pm ET


Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the games today & tomorrow in D.C. against the Nats.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-The games today and tomorrow will both be on SNY.
-The weather forecast for tonight's game at Nationals Park looks decent despite their being a thunderstorm prior to it. Click HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-The Mets suffered their 6th loss yesterday when leading after 8 innings since May 1st. As of the end of yesterday afternoon’s game, no other team has more than two. Additionally, the Mets are 24-35 & in 4th place in the N.L. East. They’re 3.5 games behind the 3rd place Nats, who they’re playing for the first time this season tonight in the first game of a three-game set. They’re dangerous when it comes to stealing bases, so that’s something to take note of.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions to start the month of June.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Nido (R), Taylor (R), McNeil (L), & Stewart (L).
Check out the Minor League thread for June below:  
Optimus-NY : 6/3/2024 5:56 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the big club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am


*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
Here are a couple of useful financial websites:  
Optimus-NY : 6/3/2024 5:57 pm : link
Cot's Baseball Contracts - A Clearinghouse for MLB Salary and Payroll details


RosterResource - Team Payroll - NEW YORK METS PLAYER PAYROLL
Here are links to tonight's game:  
Optimus-NY : 6/3/2024 6:38 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Nats | 6:45 pm EDT start - June 3, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Nats | 6:45 pm EDT start - June 3, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Nats’ feed – MASN (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Nats – June 3, 2024 - 6:45 pm EDT start


Note: Ron won’t be calling the game tonight.


Enjoy tonight's game 😊
Thanks, Optimus!  
JayBinQueens : 6/3/2024 6:57 pm : link
Wonder how they'll blow it tonight
RE: Thanks, Optimus!  
Optimus-NY : 6/3/2024 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16530121 JayBinQueens said:
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Wonder how they'll blow it tonight


Death by a thousand stolen bases. Professor X could steal abase offa the Mets' catchers.
The Mets are gonna need Megill to go at least 5 or 6 innings tonight.  
Optimus-NY : 6/3/2024 7:05 pm : link
Other than Adrian Houser, the bullpen is just about spent going into tonight. After this series, everyone can get two days off before going to London to face the Philthies there On June 8th and 9th.
Gore looks like he doesnt have command  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2024 7:17 pm : link
it's weird how this team has had stretches where you vaguely think back to early 2022 when they would grind pitchers and get their pitch counts up early. and then they have their stretches where they take really bad at bats.

last year obviously a big difference was marte but he's been good this year. mcneil obviously not close to what he was in 2022 so that's a loss but bader has probably been better than canha and JDM is better than anyone they had hitting 5th in 2022. strange that they havent been able to come anywhere close being as cohesive of a lineup.
Vientos  
Sammo85 : 6/3/2024 7:46 pm : link
Love to see it.
another hr for vientos - mets entered today 9th in production from 3b  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2024 7:47 pm : link
i guess the production loss from alvarez probably negates this, but obviously ahead of the season this kind of production from 3b would have probably been considered best case scenario.

RE: Vientos  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2024 7:52 pm : link
In comment 16530149 Sammo85 said:
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Love to see it.


he will cool off and the k rate will almost certainly go up at some point, but the power is legit and he has always been a .280+ hitter so i dont think he will be all or nothing. he has never been overly passive either, i think he's a pretty natural hitter for a guy with that kind of power.

i think better version of JDD/Duda is close to a lock at this point. the defense at 3b seems clearly better than JDD ever was. unlike those 2 i think he could end up a more consistent 30/90 type who hits ~.250. with DH/3b/1b flex and a good platoon split against lefties that's a nice piece.
yeah Vientos looks good  
KDavies : 6/3/2024 8:07 pm : link
a bright spot in a lousy season. Unfortunately not in the local viewing area, so haven't been able to see him too much on defense. How has he been defensively at 3B? 0 errors obviously a good sign
RE: RE: Vientos  
Sammo85 : 6/3/2024 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16530152 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16530149 Sammo85 said:


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Love to see it.



he will cool off and the k rate will almost certainly go up at some point, but the power is legit and he has always been a .280+ hitter so i dont think he will be all or nothing. he has never been overly passive either, i think he's a pretty natural hitter for a guy with that kind of power.

i think better version of JDD/Duda is close to a lock at this point. the defense at 3b seems clearly better than JDD ever was. unlike those 2 i think he could end up a more consistent 30/90 type who hits ~.250. with DH/3b/1b flex and a good platoon split against lefties that's a nice piece.


He’s a clear fit for given where this roster will be over next couple seasons. Obviously if the K rate escalates and the D is just not feasible it will be a no brainer if he has to be only a DH and prices out some time or point later.

And of course now Megill serves up a meatball pitch to .150 BA Joey Gallo.
Iglesias and Torrens  
Sammo85 : 6/3/2024 8:24 pm : link
Deliver immediate dividends! 7-4 Mets. Stearnsball in progress.
RE: yeah Vientos looks good  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2024 8:31 pm : link
In comment 16530161 KDavies said:
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a bright spot in a lousy season. Unfortunately not in the local viewing area, so haven't been able to see him too much on defense. How has he been defensively at 3B? 0 errors obviously a good sign


he has looked normal in a good way. on some hard hit balls that would have been web gem types he's been close. he has a strong arm.

as a counter example jdd never looked comfortable whereas so far this year vientos has looked reasonably natural. he's a big guy with athletic limitations but so far he has made all the plays he's supposed to make (he's actually +1 OAA heading into today).
Stearnsball…lol, okay. I thinks he’s DFA’d more of his signings  
CooperDash : 6/3/2024 8:35 pm : link
that he’s kept. In two months.

Anyways…Vientos is a stud that some of us saw while the FO did not. Sure, he’ll come back down to earth a bit (or maybe not?) but it’s nice to see him size the moment. And Baty…I refuse to believe that he’s not a quality MLB bat. The kid can hit and they need to help him click in the pros. These are the two players that really excite me going forward.
McNeil seems like the type of guy  
JayBinQueens : 6/3/2024 8:38 pm : link
Who is upset Iglesias is having a good game because it may make him sit a little more instead of being happy they're winning
Best case scenario  
Maggot Brain : 6/3/2024 8:58 pm : link
is Baty finds his bat in Triple A, they ship out Alonso, and move Vientos to 1B.
RE: RE: RE: Vientos  
Mike in NY : 6/3/2024 8:59 pm : link
In comment 16530162 Sammo85 said:
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Love to see it.



he will cool off and the k rate will almost certainly go up at some point, but the power is legit and he has always been a .280+ hitter so i dont think he will be all or nothing. he has never been overly passive either, i think he's a pretty natural hitter for a guy with that kind of power.

i think better version of JDD/Duda is close to a lock at this point. the defense at 3b seems clearly better than JDD ever was. unlike those 2 i think he could end up a more consistent 30/90 type who hits ~.250. with DH/3b/1b flex and a good platoon split against lefties that's a nice piece.



He’s a clear fit for given where this roster will be over next couple seasons. Obviously if the K rate escalates and the D is just not feasible it will be a no brainer if he has to be only a DH and prices out some time or point later.

And of course now Megill serves up a meatball pitch to .150 BA Joey Gallo.


Or you dump Alonso and play him at 1B
Iglesias has had success at the ML level  
dannysection 313 : 6/3/2024 9:14 pm : link
.279 lifetime hitter and an excellent glove.

Anyone know why he was out of baseball last year? And only the Mets were interested in giving him another shot?

Breath of fresh air (yea, real small sample size) after watching McNeil hit into a million 4-3's on the second pitch of the AB.
Houser  
GF1080 : 6/3/2024 9:46 pm : link
Has been really good coming out of the pen.
Houser gave up three runs last time out of the pen  
CooperDash : 6/3/2024 9:49 pm : link
??

He sucks
Houser  
GF1080 : 6/3/2024 9:54 pm : link
1.46 E.R.A out of pen. Only 12 innings so SSS.
this bp is a joke  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2024 9:59 pm : link
stopped watching after the 7th inning figuring only bad things could happen, not sure how this game is still going.
You can use as much lipstick as you want  
CooperDash : 6/3/2024 10:00 pm : link
He’s still a pig.

7.01 ERA
Never  
GF1080 : 6/3/2024 10:07 pm : link
Any doubts haha.
Talk about no lead is safe  
dannysection 313 : 6/3/2024 10:20 pm : link
Wow, a win's a win, but where do you go to get some order to this BP?

Ottavino has been horrid.

Hate to say it, but yesterday's game was a big loss....could have been 4-1 in their last five with even a suggestion of some positive juice.

What's up with Diaz? Is he hurt, or Billy Eppler hurt?

They sure miss him, or the 2022 version anyhow.
diaz is playing catch so maybe not as gloomy as initially feared  
Eric on Li : 6/3/2024 10:47 pm : link
it's crazy but right now it feels like they need drew smith, SRF, and reed to give them a week or two stabilizing 8th/9th.

diekman fine vs tough lefties but otto in high leverage (esp b2b) has been problematic.
Megill  
allstarjim : 6/4/2024 12:24 am : link
Had some hard luck and some inconsistency with his location and execution tonight, but I think he has a chance to put it together because that split/forkball (whatever you want to call it) is a really good out pitch.

I think if he can piece this together, the fastball is strong, he has #3 upside. I'm buying Megill right now as a meaningful part of this future rotation.

As for Vientos, I'm absolutely loving this opportunity for him to get an extended run. I believe this guy is a big time power hitter that's going to generate a lot of production.

Baty has had a lot of leash, I still see potential there but tbh I'm not optimistic he will be a consistent performer, but I hope he figures it out.
RE: RE: yeah Vientos looks good  
KDavies : 6/4/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16530169 Eric on Li said:
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a bright spot in a lousy season. Unfortunately not in the local viewing area, so haven't been able to see him too much on defense. How has he been defensively at 3B? 0 errors obviously a good sign



he has looked normal in a good way. on some hard hit balls that would have been web gem types he's been close. he has a strong arm.

as a counter example jdd never looked comfortable whereas so far this year vientos has looked reasonably natural. he's a big guy with athletic limitations but so far he has made all the plays he's supposed to make (he's actually +1 OAA heading into today).


Thanks! That is encouraging. Whether it is at 3B, 1B, or DH (or a combo), Vientos seems to be cementing himself in the future of the team, which is very nice.

If Alonso is traded (or leaves in FA), certainly lessens the blow there.
RE: RE: RE: yeah Vientos looks good  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 10:01 am : link
In comment 16530310 KDavies said:
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If Alonso is traded (or leaves in FA), certainly lessens the blow there.


100%. If Alonso walks, Vientos is your 1b and Mauricio/Baty can compete for 3b. Acuna/Jett eventually phase in at 2b/Cf.

then a ton of $ freed up for Soto and the DH spot freed up for a good/cheaper solution just like they found JDM. problem with that plan is im pessimistic on Soto leaving NYY. just cant see them dropping the ball on that a year after having missed on yamamoto.

so i think it's hard to envision a better overall player than alonso being attainable. which means id start getting comfortable with vientos in a mixed role, and baty some reps in LF to hopefully take the DJ Stewart roster spot in a few weeks.

btw here's an interesting vientos observation, his numbers right now are almost exactly the same as his AAA numbers last year in terms of walk rate/k rate/iso. beyond the exit velo one of the things that has always stood out to me is that year over year he has always made incremental improvements. i still expect regression in the babip and k-rate as pitchers adjust, but as i said above he is obviously an MLB power hitter and more and more im becoming convinced he can at least be an average MLB hitter on top of that.

damn, I almost forgot about Mauricio  
KDavies : 6/4/2024 11:13 am : link
agreed re Soto being a pipedream. Even with the money, I think it's going to be hard to pry a hitter like that away from the Yankees. It would be colossal disaster for the Yankees to lose perhaps the best hitter in the game in his prime crosstown.

Looking at free agency, and yeah, pickings are thin for hitting. Agreed it may be best to just re-sign Alonso. Otherwise, most interesting bats besides Soto appear to be O'Neill, JD Martinez, Adames, Bregman, Gleyber, Goldschmidt, Hoskins.

Should have a lot of options. If Alonso is gone, obviously Vientos to 1B. If he stays, Alonso, Vientos, and Baty can hold down 1b/DH/3B (obviously with Alonso not playing 3B and Baty not at 1B), with Alvarez DHing some to rest him (likely bench Baty on those days). Mauricio can compete at 2B with McNeil. McNeil can always play OF
i think mcneil is destined for a super utility role  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 11:23 am : link
i am very concerned about his athletic regression generally though. his defense is off a cliff this year. his power is basically gone (max exit velo is 5 mph below last year).

he is still making contact decently and not k'ing, maybe he just needs the elbow surgery or something from that partial tear, but the defensive regression leads me to believe he's just hitting his expiration date faster than expected like marte.
RE: damn, I almost forgot about Mauricio  
allstarjim : 6/4/2024 2:35 pm : link
In comment 16530379 KDavies said:
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agreed re Soto being a pipedream. Even with the money, I think it's going to be hard to pry a hitter like that away from the Yankees. It would be colossal disaster for the Yankees to lose perhaps the best hitter in the game in his prime crosstown.

Looking at free agency, and yeah, pickings are thin for hitting. Agreed it may be best to just re-sign Alonso. Otherwise, most interesting bats besides Soto appear to be O'Neill, JD Martinez, Adames, Bregman, Gleyber, Goldschmidt, Hoskins.

Should have a lot of options. If Alonso is gone, obviously Vientos to 1B. If he stays, Alonso, Vientos, and Baty can hold down 1b/DH/3B (obviously with Alonso not playing 3B and Baty not at 1B), with Alvarez DHing some to rest him (likely bench Baty on those days). Mauricio can compete at 2B with McNeil. McNeil can always play OF


I think the Mets have a legit shot at Soto. I don't think there's any way he's not hitting free agency. And then it's Cohen vs Steinbrenner, the latter of whom recently said that the payroll is unsustainable. They have big money long-term on Judge, Stanton, Cole, and Rodon tied up. They certainly have the ability to sign him and I think they'll make a play, but I can see Cohen just offering more. And the rumors have been that Soto wants to play for the Mets.

I still think that the smart money is on the Yankees, but I think it's fairly close...I'd put it at 60-40 odds or so.
Btw  
allstarjim : 6/4/2024 2:36 pm : link
I'm a fan of the series threads vs the gameday threads. Good change.
RE: RE: damn, I almost forgot about Mauricio  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 3:05 pm : link
In comment 16530566 allstarjim said:
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agreed re Soto being a pipedream. Even with the money, I think it's going to be hard to pry a hitter like that away from the Yankees. It would be colossal disaster for the Yankees to lose perhaps the best hitter in the game in his prime crosstown.

Looking at free agency, and yeah, pickings are thin for hitting. Agreed it may be best to just re-sign Alonso. Otherwise, most interesting bats besides Soto appear to be O'Neill, JD Martinez, Adames, Bregman, Gleyber, Goldschmidt, Hoskins.

Should have a lot of options. If Alonso is gone, obviously Vientos to 1B. If he stays, Alonso, Vientos, and Baty can hold down 1b/DH/3B (obviously with Alonso not playing 3B and Baty not at 1B), with Alvarez DHing some to rest him (likely bench Baty on those days). Mauricio can compete at 2B with McNeil. McNeil can always play OF



I think the Mets have a legit shot at Soto. I don't think there's any way he's not hitting free agency. And then it's Cohen vs Steinbrenner, the latter of whom recently said that the payroll is unsustainable. They have big money long-term on Judge, Stanton, Cole, and Rodon tied up. They certainly have the ability to sign him and I think they'll make a play, but I can see Cohen just offering more. And the rumors have been that Soto wants to play for the Mets.

I still think that the smart money is on the Yankees, but I think it's fairly close...I'd put it at 60-40 odds or so.


dont see him choosing mets if they aren't at least .500 and in contention for a WC. he is going to have options just like ohtani had 3 or 4 teams willing to pay the freight and how LAD matched on yamamoto.
I think the path forward for McNeil (assuming this isnt just elbow)  
Metnut : 6/4/2024 3:15 pm : link
is to take a hard look at what Daniel Murphy did mid-career to reinvent himself. McNeil is 32 now. What he did in the minors, and with the Mets to get this contract doesn't look like it's going to work anymore.

His best chance is to hit the weights and alter his approach to generate more power and harder hit balls. The hope would be that he'll be able to retain enough of his contact ability to still be viable despite changing things up. Chance that it doesn't work. but there's also a chance he's out of baseball by 34 if he doesn't change things up and continues like he currently is playing for rest of 2024 and during 2025.
RE: Btw  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 4:05 pm : link
In comment 16530567 allstarjim said:
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I'm a fan of the series threads vs the gameday threads. Good change.


Duly noted. A lot of good convos/chats get lost in the weeds when we do daily threads. They won't this way. I'll post today's lineups and starting pitcher matchups in this thread in about two hours just the same way as before. After tomorrow's series finale we can take another pole at how this worked out.
Mets @ Nats: Gm 2 ⚾Peterson (L) vs Herz (L)⚾ 6:45 pm EDT  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 6:17 pm : link

Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for the game tonight & tomorrow in D.C. against the Nats.
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#LFGM!
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Notes:
-Both today’s & tomorrow’s games will be on SNY.
-The weather forecast for tonight's game at Nationals Park looks decent except for around the start of the game when there will be a chance of thunderstorms and rain. Click HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-Carlos Mendoza said that Francisco Alvarez won’t be travelling with the team to London in the upcoming series there against the Phillies in a few days. Mendoza did indicate though that there’s a good chance that Alvarez joins the Mets again on June 11th when they begin their homestand against the Marlins. It all depends on if he continues to make progress or not.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions to start the month of June.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Taylor (R), McNeil (L), & Stewart (L).
Here are links to tonight's game:  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 6:39 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Nats | 6:45 pm EDT start - June 4, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Nats | 6:45 pm EDT start - June 4, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Nats’ feed – MASN (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Nats – June 4, 2024 - 6:45 pm EDT start


Note: Ron won’t be calling the game tonight.


Enjoy tonight's game 😊

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Named Later : 6/4/2024 7:09 pm : link
Alright Optimus....Nicely Done. Love that righty lineup vs the left-hander Herz.

Now let's go get one.
peterson velocity down but control looks very good  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 7:48 pm : link
41 pitches through 4 innings. i've always tended towards him > megill even though both have had volatility issues because when he is on he just looks like a better pitcher. would be great if 1 of those 2 could really get themselves figured out.
RE: peterson velocity down but control looks very good  
JayBinQueens : 6/4/2024 8:09 pm : link
In comment 16530828 Eric on Li said:
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41 pitches through 4 innings. i've always tended towards him > megill even though both have had volatility issues because when he is on he just looks like a better pitcher. would be great if 1 of those 2 could really get themselves figured out.


McGill in the BP would be better, imo. Peterson always teases. Hope he can string a few good starts together
Peterson with a quality start so far today through 6.  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 8:24 pm : link
Looks like he should be able to give us 8 innings at this rate, having only thrown 64 pitches through 6. The bullpen needs the rest.

Props to Vientos too btw. Excellent defensive play in the 6th and good challenge. Kid's thriving at the plate and in the field. Mets are gonna have a nice problem between him and Baty down the line.
vientos defensive play for KD  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 8:30 pm : link
he came into today +1 OAA, neutral DRS. i think we may be getting close to a point where his odds of being the 3b going forward are flipping to for from against.

Great last out of the  
JayBinQueens : 6/4/2024 8:41 pm : link
inning there by Nunez
DJ Stewart...  
dannysection 313 : 6/4/2024 8:52 pm : link
I think I'm ready for someone else....
RE: DJ Stewart...  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 8:53 pm : link
In comment 16530863 dannysection 313 said:
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I think I'm ready for someone else....


they have to get baty some OF time. that could/should be his spot in a couple weeks. can start twice a week for marte, once or twice a week for vientos at 3b whenever he spells alonso or jdm.
another angle of the vientos play (replay reversed from safe to out)  
Eric on Li : 6/4/2024 8:56 pm : link
Put it in the books...  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 9:26 pm : link

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Looks like the surgery Peterson had this past off-season bore fruit:  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 9:33 pm : link


Here's the rest of his pitching line tonight:
5 H
2 R
2 ER
2 BB
2 K
0 HR
3.09 ERA
28 Batters faced
2 HBP
Nice W  
GF1080 : 6/4/2024 9:48 pm : link
Let's keep building. Really wish they didn't blow that Sunday game but have to forget about it.
Peterson and Megill are both looking good.  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 9:51 pm : link
We've seen them be teases in the past, but somehow this feels different (famous last words, lol).
The Mets to McNeil after another fine game by Iglesias:  
Optimus-NY : 6/4/2024 9:55 pm : link
Could Vientos actually be a future Met star  
giantsFC : 6/4/2024 11:59 pm : link
Gasps.

Mets play better without angry douche complaining McNeil. I’m sticking to my never liking him and his “grit”

Alonso, it’s like you want him to return but only at a sub 3 yesr deal at low end. No way a team pays him a lot.

Lindor, I’m saying it now may age into his contract as a value if he can stay healthy every year. In 5 years SS contract values will all be his price or more.

Soto 2025.

I'm with you on not really liking McNeil  
moespree : 6/5/2024 12:14 am : link
If he's not going to hit like his 2022 numbers then he's pretty useless. A slap hitter with a .296 on base isn't going to get it done.

Also his constant temper tantrums are annoying to me as well.
His temper tantrums  
giantsFC : 6/5/2024 12:35 am : link
Made him hard to like. Also seems like someone who makes team bonding difficult. Idk could be wrong. But now that Lindor issue 2 years ago along w the Tommy Pham quotes makes me wonder about this teams leadership u dear him and Alonso
Break up  
Spider43 : 6/5/2024 1:31 am : link
The Mets!
RE: Peterson and Megill are both looking good.  
dannysection 313 : 6/5/2024 9:54 am : link
In comment 16530921 Optimus-NY said:
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We've seen them be teases in the past, but somehow this feels different (famous last words, lol).


Wouldn't that be nice....we've been waiting long enough, especially with Peterson.
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Named Later : 6/5/2024 10:21 am : link
Since I don't get to see many of the Mets games down here, I usually check this thread first thing in the morning. I scroll down to see if Paige is dancing.

After she brightens my day, I go to MLB.com and check their highlight package. Vientos is becoming another day-brightener. That was some throw across the diamond, from his knees.

Peterson 'throws grounders' and that's his calling card. Let him start on rotation.
McNeil stilled owed $15.75M each of 2025 and 2026  
Metnut : 6/5/2024 10:25 am : link
so he's likely not going anywhere. Absolute soonest he'd get DFAd would be around this time next year I think. They'll work him back into the lineup (at least against righties) after this "rest" period is done. He'll certainly have to consider rethinking his entire approach and training this offseason if he's not able to put a big second half together.
mendoza made a point about mcneil hitting too many flyballs  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 10:29 am : link
and i think that is correct. the 2 things that scare me most about him are

1. the defense has gone off a cliff and
2. his max exit velocity, which is presumably the best hit ball he's hit all year, is 6 mph lower than his best hit ball last year and the best hit balls he's hit in all his prior years.

he has clearly trended negatively in the power department and yet he is hitting more balls in the air. seems like a bad combination. hard to not think the elbow may be a bigger issue than they expected.

his k-rate is still great and he is still squaring balls up so there is some hope he can still hit for a high average if he can get back to more line drives. k-rate and squaring balls up correlate somewhat predictively with BA. also his avg. ev is same as it ever was.
Great effort by Peterson,  
Section331 : 6/5/2024 10:30 am : link
nice to see a starter go into the 7th. As much as the pen has struggled, I think the starters have been reason #1 for their struggles. They’re getting no length from SP’s, putting too much stress on a weakened BP.

And I don’t want to crow too early, but it looks like we’ve found our everyday 3B.
RE: McNeil stilled owed $15.75M each of 2025 and 2026  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16531103 Metnut said:
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so he's likely not going anywhere. Absolute soonest he'd get DFAd would be around this time next year I think. They'll work him back into the lineup (at least against righties) after this "rest" period is done. He'll certainly have to consider rethinking his entire approach and training this offseason if he's not able to put a big second half together.


agreed, the good thing is that he has the versatility that if he becomes a part time player in multiple positions he can still have value if he can hit even with less power. he may just need to trend more towards being a platoon option. no huge split this year but over his career he was about 10% better vs righties.
Marte  
GF1080 : 6/5/2024 2:09 pm : link
In the initial lineup today and now out.
RE: Marte  
DanMetroMan : 6/5/2024 2:19 pm : link
In comment 16531318 GF1080 said:
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In the initial lineup today and now out.


Knee "issue".
RE: vientos defensive play for KD  
KDavies : 6/5/2024 4:08 pm : link
In comment 16530853 Eric on Li said:
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he came into today +1 OAA, neutral DRS. i think we may be getting close to a point where his odds of being the 3b going forward are flipping to for from against.



Yeah, saw that one. Good stuff, particularly with Baty struggling. I had almost written Vientos off as a 3B. I really need to stop believing minor league defensive scouting reports (Alonso, Alvarez, Vientos)
Mets @ Nats: Game 3 –⚾Severino (R) vs. Corbin (L)⚾– 4:05 pm EDT  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 4:12 pm : link

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Notes:
-Today’s game will be on SNY, but the games in London against the Phillies won’t be carried by any local affiliates for either side.
-The weather forecast for today's game at Nationals Park is questionable due to rain and thundertorms in the forecast there. Click HERE to keep updated and see Hourly AccuWeather Reports for there.
-The Mets are going for the sweep today in D.C. against the Nationals; this is the first series they’ve won since the early portion of May against the Cardinals. The Mets have won 23 of their last 34 games against the Nats. To start the day, the Mets are only a game and a half behind them in the standings for 3rd place in the N.L East. The Mets and Nats will play again on July 1st in D.C. again.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions to start the month of June.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Nido (R), Marte (R), McNeil (L), & Stewart (L).
RE: RE: vientos defensive play for KD  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 4:28 pm : link
In comment 16531399 KDavies said:
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he came into today +1 OAA, neutral DRS. i think we may be getting close to a point where his odds of being the 3b going forward are flipping to for from against.





Yeah, saw that one. Good stuff, particularly with Baty struggling. I had almost written Vientos off as a 3B. I really need to stop believing minor league defensive scouting reports (Alonso, Alvarez, Vientos)


it's definitely the skill that can be most variable. even someone like JDD was terrible defensively as a met, but did get a lot better in SF at least for 1 year last year.

it's just very variable in general i suppose if you think about how quickly marte and mcneil have fallen off.
seems like with the rain they may not get this one in  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 4:30 pm : link
especially since they arent going to mess with timing into london (presumably).

not sure what weather report looks like, but sounds like not good?
RE: seems like with the rain they may not get this one in  
KDavies : 6/5/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16531409 Eric on Li said:
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especially since they arent going to mess with timing into london (presumably).

not sure what weather report looks like, but sounds like not good?


now and 5, 40% chance of rain. 6 & 7 looks like no rain. 8 50% chance again. Could be a window, but who knows.

Rival  
DanMetroMan : 6/5/2024 4:45 pm : link
execs believe Alonso will be traded (Passan).
RE: Rival  
SJGiant : 6/5/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16531415 DanMetroMan said:
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execs believe Alonso will be traded (Passan).


They are talking about adding him on WIP (Philadelphia) radio. I didn't listen or hear who they would give up.
RE: seems like with the rain they may not get this one in  
GF1080 : 6/5/2024 5:01 pm : link
In comment 16531409 Eric on Li said:
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especially since they arent going to mess with timing into london (presumably).

not sure what weather report looks like, but sounds like not good?


5:30 start.
This feed is one of the best when to comes to delays:  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 5:20 pm : link
Mets Weather
@WxMets

5:30 first pitch in DC. Radar looks good right now. Can't rule out another round later but looking good to start. #LGM

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Here are links to today's game:  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 5:36 pm : link
*Courtesy of sportsurge.net*

Mets @ Nats | 5:30 pm EDT start - June 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Nats | 5:30 pm EDT start - June 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Nats’ feed – MASN (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Nats – June 5, 2024 - 5:30 pm EDT start


Note: Ron won’t be calling the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊
Torrens making his case  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 6:05 pm : link
i think nido has shown too much to send down over a few games, someone would likely claim him. not as sure re torrens since anyone could have had him a few days ago for less cash.
Torrens  
GF1080 : 6/5/2024 6:05 pm : link
HR.

Lots of great D for both teams so far.
RE: Torrens making his case  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 6:06 pm : link
In comment 16531459 Eric on Li said:
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i think nido has shown too much to send down over a few games, someone would likely claim him. not as sure re torrens since anyone could have had him a few days ago for less cash.


Gotta keep Nido. Torrens is gonna get the Gary Sanchez treatment once Alvarez is ready next week.
Did you guys see this from Tommy Pham? lol.  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 6:15 pm : link
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RE: Did you guys see this from Tommy Pham? lol.  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 6:18 pm : link
In comment 16531470 Optimus-NY said:
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tommy doesnt seem to make friends or stay long wherever he goes.

he can fight whoever he wants though, we got j-rod.
so i guess we're gonna be carrying 3 catchers ROS  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 6:31 pm : link
kidding...kind of.
B2B  
GF1080 : 6/5/2024 6:32 pm : link
Homers! Torrens 2nd and then Lindor.
Back to back homers - am I watching the Mets???  
Ira : 6/5/2024 6:32 pm : link
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they are tee'ing off on corbin btw - 12 hard hit balls  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 6:34 pm : link
pete 116.3mph lineout for pete (hardest hit ball since 2022)
followed it up with 113.6 mph double
lindor 109.3mph on his homer
nimmo 105.2mph on his gidp
torrens was 101 and 103 on his homers
RE: Did you guys see this from Tommy Pham? lol.  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/5/2024 7:28 pm : link
In comment 16531470 Optimus-NY said:
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Has he figured out that there's no fighting in baseball? He's prepared to fuck up guys who don't fight. I'd love to see the tough guy in an MMA ring.
What have ew got in Torrens?  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 7:30 pm : link
Is he out of options? Didn't the Prisonstripers trade him because he's got an opt-out of his deal for June 15th?
RE: What have ew got in Torrens?  
Ira : 6/5/2024 7:42 pm : link
In comment 16531520 Optimus-NY said:
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Is he out of options? Didn't the Prisonstripers trade him because he's got an opt-out of his deal for June 15th?

Well, he's a career .226 hitter with 19 total home runs before today. He seems to have a good arm.
Put another one in the books :-)  
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No locally televised games for 6 days after this game today.  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 7:45 pm : link
Gonna suck dealing with the FOX and BSPN douches.
Series thread  
GF1080 : 6/5/2024 7:46 pm : link
Series sweep. I don't know but maybe we should have done this sooner!
OUTSTANDING work by Severino today:  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 7:54 pm : link
Check it...






I want him back next year with the Mets. He's showing that he's part of the solution, not the problem. Mets are gonna have at least three kids in the rotation between next year and into 2026 (e.g., Scott, Tidwell, and Sproat). Severino would be a nice veteran to be mix in with that group.
RE: Series thread  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16531539 GF1080 said:
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Series sweep. I don't know but maybe we should have done this sooner!


I think so! I'll take this as a vote for "Yes, let's continue!", lol.
Check out the Minor League thread for June below:  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 8:06 pm : link
We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the big club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am


*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
RE: RE: Series thread  
dannysection 313 : 6/5/2024 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16531543 Optimus-NY said:
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Series sweep. I don't know but maybe we should have done this sooner!



I think so! I'll take this as a vote for "Yes, let's continue!", lol.


That and playing the Nat's....I thought they were supposed to be better this year?

Jose Iglesias is making me even less excited about Jeff McNeil's contract. I mean, Iglesias can play it seems and has a MLB track record to suggest this isn't a DJ Stewart fluke-ish few games...

Nice to win a few games; makes last Sunday's BP meltdown even harder to live with..

Off to London...
I don't know about you guys, but I Andy Martino is a guy who has a  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 8:23 pm : link
VERY punchable face. I can't stand seeing him on Baseball Night in NY, or anywhere else for that matter.
think this was their first series sweep since last july  
Eric on Li : 6/5/2024 9:21 pm : link
pretty remarkable to almost go a full calendar year.
Let's take a vote tomorrow on how people liked the series thread  
Optimus-NY : 6/5/2024 10:27 pm : link
format vs. the single game thread format.

My vote:
-We should continue the series thread format. It consolidates things more.
RE: Let's take a vote tomorrow on how people liked the series thread  
Section331 : 6/6/2024 8:52 am : link
In comment 16531639 Optimus-NY said:
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format vs. the single game thread format.

My vote:
-We should continue the series thread format. It consolidates things more.


After a series sweep in the first series thread, is this even a question? Series threads, only, please! Thanks for doing these Optimus.
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Named Later : 6/6/2024 10:26 am : link
If Paige is dancin' I'm happy.

I'll cast my ballot right now in early Primary Voting -- Series Thread.

What exactly is Severino's Contract status ?? I want to keep him as long as possible as a bridge to the Young Guns.
RE: ..  
GF1080 : 6/6/2024 10:30 am : link
In comment 16531799 Named Later said:
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If Paige is dancin' I'm happy.

I'll cast my ballot right now in early Primary Voting -- Series Thread.

What exactly is Severino's Contract status ?? I want to keep him as long as possible as a bridge to the Young Guns.


FA after the year.
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Named Later : 6/6/2024 10:36 am : link
He's worth a new Contract. All the money the Mets have wasted on dis-interested Pitchers.....Luis is a Keeper.
agreed re Severino  
KDavies : 6/6/2024 10:47 am : link
he has shown he can pitch in NY and IMO has answered the question as to whether last year was an outlier.

Wouldn't mind going fwd with Senga, Sevy, Scott, Butto, Peterson, Tidwell, Sproat.
forgot Megill  
KDavies : 6/6/2024 10:52 am : link
did not forget Manaea. Would look to deal him if out of it
Severino is probably at least worth the QO  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2024 11:15 am : link
whether he takes it or not who knows, but that would be a 4th round pick and $500k+ in pool money if he signs elsewhere.

fyi in the last few drafts that would mean a player like:

Ewing (2023 round 4 $675k)
Tong (2022 round 7 $226k)
Scott (2021 round 5 $350k)

signing 1 year free agents who perform well enough that you can qualify them the following offseason is great business. Ewing was the comp pick for losing Bassitt, and at this point he is likely a better prospect than anyone they gave up for Bassitt (Ginn is 25 w/ a 4.5 era in AAA, ranked #15 in OAK system).
RE: think this was their first series sweep since last july  
dannysection 313 : 6/6/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16531601 Eric on Li said:
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pretty remarkable to almost go a full calendar year.


Didn't the Mets sweep the Pirates earlier this season?

Either way, it doesn't happen often.
RE: Let's take a vote tomorrow on how people liked the series thread  
dannysection 313 : 6/6/2024 11:38 am : link
In comment 16531639 Optimus-NY said:
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format vs. the single game thread format.

My vote:
-We should continue the series thread format. It consolidates things more.


Works for me!
RE: Severino is probably at least worth the QO  
Rory : 6/6/2024 11:52 am : link
In comment 16531850 Eric on Li said:
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whether he takes it or not who knows, but that would be a 4th round pick and $500k+ in pool money if he signs elsewhere.

fyi in the last few drafts that would mean a player like:

Ewing (2023 round 4 $675k)
Tong (2022 round 7 $226k)
Scott (2021 round 5 $350k)

signing 1 year free agents who perform well enough that you can qualify them the following offseason is great business. Ewing was the comp pick for losing Bassitt, and at this point he is likely a better prospect than anyone they gave up for Bassitt (Ginn is 25 w/ a 4.5 era in AAA, ranked #15 in OAK system).


I didn't even think of the QO strategy. What would be his draft compensation if he was to sign elsewhere?

Would that beat mid season trade to a surging contender who needs pitching at the ASB?
Rory it would be a 4th round pick and a little over $500k in bonus$  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2024 2:21 pm : link
for the draft pool. that's why i comp'd some of their recent picks in that range, because they have been getting solid prospects. scott and tong maybe more than solid as top 100 candidates. ewing probably a little fairer but he is squarely top 20 and probably comparable to vargas who was a good return for D-Rob.

so bottom line it would take a really good return for me to move Severino if i liked him enough to give him QO.

separately mayer just posted this, which is pretty interesting. I dont think lindor is the only variable here (vientos became starting 3b, JDM is healthy, alonso moved to #2, etc) but i think the takeaway is that this offense can be really good when they get alvarez back and he can outproduce whatever fall off we inevitably see from vientos.

Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
Mets offense before switching Francisco Lindor to leadoff:

.232/.304/.362, 97 wRC+ (19th)

Mets offense since switching Francisco Lindor to leadoff:

.265/.329/.461, 128 wRC+ (2nd)
McNeil on the bench  
JayBinQueens : 6/6/2024 2:59 pm : link
the last few days has helped, too
RE: McNeil on the bench  
Optimus-NY : 6/6/2024 3:08 pm : link
In comment 16532065 JayBinQueens said:
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the last few days has helped, too


The more often, the better. Sick of him.
iglesias has 7 hits and 3 runs scored in 5 games  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2024 3:48 pm : link
wendle had 8 hits and 3 runs scored in 18 games.
short had 1 hits and 2 runs scored in 10 games.
RE: iglesias has 7 hits and 3 runs scored in 5 games  
KDavies : 6/6/2024 4:15 pm : link
In comment 16532107 Eric on Li said:
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wendle had 8 hits and 3 runs scored in 18 games.
short had 1 hits and 2 runs scored in 10 games.


Solid hitter, though with very little power/speed. Hit .292 in '22. I assume he was injured last year, as he only had 28 AAA games (and hit .317). Good backup IF. Ideally, you'd have a better starter at 2B, but ride the hot streak.
Iglesias  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:25 pm : link
has played well and Acuna has cooled down (3 for his last 23), she they will probably give Iglesias a decent amount of leash. I'd like to see Ritter get a cup of coffee though.
RE: Iglesias  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2024 4:36 pm : link
In comment 16532133 DanMetroMan said:
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has played well and Acuna has cooled down (3 for his last 23), she they will probably give Iglesias a decent amount of leash. I'd like to see Ritter get a cup of coffee though.


acuna has cooled in terms of results, but under hood he is still playing better than earlier. not sure the hh% but i know he has had at least 1-2 every game and of those 23 only 2 k's (and 3 walks). so basically 7.5% k's, 11.5% walks, and 81% batted balls (21).

think that means 3/21 = .142 babip over the mini-slump, so there's some bad luck mixed in.

i agree iglesias probably has at least the rest of june or so and acuna is going to need to continue making good contact and showing progression before being ready for a call up.

Stewart's roster spot may be the easier one for someone at AAA to grab than Iglesias', if I were Baty i'd be volunteering to shag balls in LF.
Wouldn't  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2024 4:47 pm : link
be surprised to see Trayce Thompson relatively soon. wRC+ up to 116, 11.7 BB%, 22.4% K%, 14 homers. May hit .292/.363/.652 with 16 extra base hits and is 2/6 in June with a HR
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pjcas18 : 6/6/2024 4:47 pm : link


Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89
Highest fWAR by a National League position player since May 1st:

Bryce Harper: 1.6
Francisco Lindor: 1.5

@Metsmerized
#Mets #LGM
Keith Hernandez said he thinks McNeil and Iglesias will platoon  
Ira : 6/6/2024 7:51 pm : link
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Hilary : 6/7/2024 6:51 am : link
Diaz closed for cyclones last night. Three batters- 2k's no walks- no hits
Hate  
GF1080 : 6/7/2024 8:42 am : link
That we had 2 days off once the bats started to get going.
RE: Wouldn't  
dannysection 313 : 6/7/2024 8:56 am : link
In comment 16532148 DanMetroMan said:
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be surprised to see Trayce Thompson relatively soon. wRC+ up to 116, 11.7 BB%, 22.4% K%, 14 homers. May hit .292/.363/.652 with 16 extra base hits and is 2/6 in June with a HR


Isn't he Klay Thompson's brother?

Saw him in ST...looks like he at least brings some power to the table...whether he'll figure out a way to keep the K's down is the question.
RE: RE: Wouldn't  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16532414 dannysection 313 said:
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In comment 16532148 DanMetroMan said:


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be surprised to see Trayce Thompson relatively soon. wRC+ up to 116, 11.7 BB%, 22.4% K%, 14 homers. May hit .292/.363/.652 with 16 extra base hits and is 2/6 in June with a HR



Isn't he Klay Thompson's brother?

Saw him in ST...looks like he at least brings some power to the table...whether he'll figure out a way to keep the K's down is the question.


That he is. Posted a .901 OPS with the Dodgers in 2022
Looks  
DanMetroMan : 6/7/2024 9:59 am : link
Like Alvarez won’t be back on the 11th as he’s missing this weekend in Syracuse to tend to a family matter.
splitting with philly is probably the most likely outcome  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 10:26 am : link
but if they could some how keep this win streak going and come home to alvarez + diaz rejoining the team entering a 6 game homestand starting with miami, they wouldnt quite be back from the dead but they'd have a chance to get to .500 by the end of the month.

if they can be close to or at .500 entering this stretch, they will likely get themselves over .500 entering the ASB.

RE: Looks  
Eric on Li : 6/7/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16532443 DanMetroMan said:
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Like Alvarez won’t be back on the 11th as he’s missing this weekend in Syracuse to tend to a family matter.


that's bad timing.
big day for you OP  
Rory : 6/7/2024 12:09 pm : link
London series, div rival, new game thread.

High stakes man. No pressure

also Phuck the Phillies
RE: big day for you OP  
Rory : 6/7/2024 12:10 pm : link
In comment 16532536 Rory said:
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London series, div rival, new game thread.

High stakes man. No pressure

also Phuck the Phillies


weekend**
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