that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
Holy revisionist history, Batman! Neal at 7 was a no brainer, everyone had high grades on him. If you want to make the argument that he played LT in college, so to draft him as a RT lacked foresight, there’s an argument, but the last tackle we had make that switch turned out pretty good.
Injuries and poor coaching for someone trying to re-learn to play a position backwards can make for a long transition, but I’m not gonna fault Schoen for things out of his control. Plus, him making his first two high picks in the trenches with players who graded out exceptionally well. Sometimes you miss, everyone misses. His other premier picks: Thibs, Banks, JMS, all look like studs, Robinson will play a large role, that’s not a bad hit ratio.
that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
How was Schoen wrong? He's tried him at a spot he played very often in college. Very, very few criticized the pick at the time. It was largely an overwhelming praised pick.
Neal played both right and left tackle at Alabama, at an exceedingly high level.
Again, this has been mentioned a hundred times but Dallas had him as the #1 player in the draft.
Eric, I think we’re making the same point. And I know he played on the right side his sophomore year, but if I’m not mistaken he played on the left did (albeit, left guard) his freshman year. My point was his first step back in pass pro has more often been with his left, his first punch, etc…
Also in college, you can get away with technique issues when you’re his size and surrounded by immense talent - there were a couple years there where I think Alabama woulda given the Giants a run for their money. In the pro’s, those technique issues, which are correctable, need to be top tier, and the guy to his left has regularly been a liability. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on him, and I certainly don’t think that the pick was a fireable offense, no matter how it looks in hindsight if he busts.
At this point, I seriously doubt whether the issue for Neal has to do
But it’s not like he knows he’s facing a speedrusher and just loses his mind, there’s a reason, right? I wish I could find it now, but someone posted a twitter thread on here of a play by play breakdown of All22 tape from the Cards game last year - I believe the post even got stickied.
The thread’s main focus was DJ, his unwillingness to throw deep in the first half, and the fundamental changes that the Cardinals made the moment Hyatt caught that bomb to kick off the second half. But the other thing they focused on was Neal.
Arizona runs/ran a lot of wide 9 that game, and the points he highlighted were a tentative first step back which got him beat to the outside by speedrushers, and him getting caught helping his RG and being out of position - which also got him beat to the outside. If Bobby Johnston wasn’t the Joe Judge of OL coaches, I’d agree that we’re at a point where the flip flopping of sides and reversal of technique wasn’t irrelevant, but even the poster of the thread pointed that out - I believe he was a former D3 coach.
He also highlights a few plays - run plays going to the left, one in particular where Neal is pulling, and how fluid and more natural he looks. I found it really eye opening. Part of it is poor coaching, part of it is him being injured, both of which ‘cause him to revert to being reliant on his immense talent and size, but all of that reinforces bad habits.
The kid wants to be great, he’s not dumb, and unlike an Erik Flowers, he at least presents as someone coachable. I think if he can stay healthy, he could take a huge step forward this year. I know this point has been made ad nauseam but, people wanted to ditch AT after two years too.
The Giants have lost a lot of football games, and that causes impatience and fans to distrust everyone, unilaterally, from decision makers to players, I get that. I just think Neal is far from a lost cause, and the recalibration with coaching is a sign of positive and consistent re-evaluation from Schoen & Daboll; something we haven’t seen in a while. And maybe I’m wrong, I’m wrong all the time, but it’s easier to be patient than being a psycho like I used to be haha.
that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
Yes, how dare Schoen draft one of the consensus top players in that draft at a position of huge importance to an offense and one where we needed to invest.
Firing Schoen for the Neal pick is one of the most insane takes I've seen around here. He was a consensus top 10 pick, if not even higher. I saw mocks that winter that had the Jags taking him first overall. This isn't like us drafting Thomas Lewis in the first round in '94.
He hasn't been good. But this is a make or break season for him.
Carter Coughlin
Boogie Basham
Isaiah Simmons
Azeez Ojulari
Darnay Holmes
Isaiah Hodgins
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Ryder Anderson
Also, some under the radar noise from:
Ayir Asante
Alex Johnson
With Wink gone - I wondered if he'd have a role in the new defense.
I definitely had wrote him off - interesting the press he's getting.
This is not a knock on Jones, but 7-on-7s are not 11-on-11s.
With Wink gone - I wondered if he'd have a role in the new defense.
I definitely had wrote him off - interesting the press he's getting.
I mention Boogie because he's come up a multiple practices now. Again, it is early. Some fade.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
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that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
Holy revisionist history, Batman! Neal at 7 was a no brainer, everyone had high grades on him. If you want to make the argument that he played LT in college, so to draft him as a RT lacked foresight, there’s an argument, but the last tackle we had make that switch turned out pretty good.
Injuries and poor coaching for someone trying to re-learn to play a position backwards can make for a long transition, but I’m not gonna fault Schoen for things out of his control. Plus, him making his first two high picks in the trenches with players who graded out exceptionally well. Sometimes you miss, everyone misses. His other premier picks: Thibs, Banks, JMS, all look like studs, Robinson will play a large role, that’s not a bad hit ratio.
Again, this has been mentioned a hundred times but Dallas had him as the #1 player in the draft.
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that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
How was Schoen wrong? He's tried him at a spot he played very often in college. Very, very few criticized the pick at the time. It was largely an overwhelming praised pick.
Carter Coughlin
Boogie Basham
Isaiah Simmons
Azeez Ojulari
Darnay Holmes
Isaiah Hodgins
Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Ryder Anderson
Also, some under the radar noise from:
Ayir Asante
Alex Johnson
Carter Coughlin can play. Always thought he deserved to see the field more. Solid player with more upside than most think IMO.
With the addition of special teams ILB Matthew Adams, I was sure Coughlin was toast. But he was playing with the first team today with Micah out.
Again, this has been mentioned a hundred times but Dallas had him as the #1 player in the draft.
Sy’56 said he thought Neal played better at RT than at LT.
You may very well be right, but I think all of those guys are still one top notch season away from being studs.
#NYGiants worked on new kickoff returns yesterday with two returners on the field together as expected.
Those pairings:
Darius Slayton/Tyrone Tracy Jr.
Devin Singletary/Turbo Miller
Ayir Asante/Wan’Dale Robinson
Also: blocking scheme similar to offensive run combinations. More skill players.
Again, this has been mentioned a hundred times but Dallas had him as the #1 player in the draft.
Eric, I think we’re making the same point. And I know he played on the right side his sophomore year, but if I’m not mistaken he played on the left did (albeit, left guard) his freshman year. My point was his first step back in pass pro has more often been with his left, his first punch, etc…
Also in college, you can get away with technique issues when you’re his size and surrounded by immense talent - there were a couple years there where I think Alabama woulda given the Giants a run for their money. In the pro’s, those technique issues, which are correctable, need to be top tier, and the guy to his left has regularly been a liability. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on him, and I certainly don’t think that the pick was a fireable offense, no matter how it looks in hindsight if he busts.
The thread’s main focus was DJ, his unwillingness to throw deep in the first half, and the fundamental changes that the Cardinals made the moment Hyatt caught that bomb to kick off the second half. But the other thing they focused on was Neal.
Arizona runs/ran a lot of wide 9 that game, and the points he highlighted were a tentative first step back which got him beat to the outside by speedrushers, and him getting caught helping his RG and being out of position - which also got him beat to the outside. If Bobby Johnston wasn’t the Joe Judge of OL coaches, I’d agree that we’re at a point where the flip flopping of sides and reversal of technique wasn’t irrelevant, but even the poster of the thread pointed that out - I believe he was a former D3 coach.
He also highlights a few plays - run plays going to the left, one in particular where Neal is pulling, and how fluid and more natural he looks. I found it really eye opening. Part of it is poor coaching, part of it is him being injured, both of which ‘cause him to revert to being reliant on his immense talent and size, but all of that reinforces bad habits.
The kid wants to be great, he’s not dumb, and unlike an Erik Flowers, he at least presents as someone coachable. I think if he can stay healthy, he could take a huge step forward this year. I know this point has been made ad nauseam but, people wanted to ditch AT after two years too.
The Giants have lost a lot of football games, and that causes impatience and fans to distrust everyone, unilaterally, from decision makers to players, I get that. I just think Neal is far from a lost cause, and the recalibration with coaching is a sign of positive and consistent re-evaluation from Schoen & Daboll; something we haven’t seen in a while. And maybe I’m wrong, I’m wrong all the time, but it’s easier to be patient than being a psycho like I used to be haha.
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that Neal had better be full go by training camp or they need to move Eluemunor now. None of this last minute shit again.
If Neal isn't at least a starting tackle, I'd consider firing Schoen. How can anyone be that wrong with a high pick? I still believe in Neal will be a good tackle but Schoen being that wrong would be a disaster.
Yes, how dare Schoen draft one of the consensus top players in that draft at a position of huge importance to an offense and one where we needed to invest.
What the hell was he thinking?
He hasn't been good. But this is a make or break season for him.