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BlackLight : 6/7/2024 2:05 pm
I'm trying to think about what would be the worst loss in team history - with the condition that the loss can't have had a clear 2nd order effect leading to a positive outcome.

So in other words, I'm taking Miracle in the Meadowlands 1 & 2 off the table, along with the '03 Meltdown at San Francisco. All three (while each miserable, bleak affairs) ultimately set the stage for future greatness - at least in my mind.

Super Bowl XXXV is perhaps the easy choice, but I'm curious if anyone has an honorable mention or some long buried sports trauma they'd like to dredge up as we head into the weekend?
The Ravens SB game - XXXV  
section125 : 6/7/2024 2:07 pm : link
The phantom hold negating the pick six changed the course of the game and they fell apart.
Easily  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/7/2024 2:11 pm : link
the 49ers playoff game in the 2002 season.

But there are many contenders... the 1997 Vikings playoff loss. The two regular-season losses to Dallas in 1985. Etc., etc.
Losing Plaxico  
RomanWH : 6/7/2024 2:15 pm : link
to that gunshot wound is the first loss that comes to mind.

The one after that would be the SF meltdown in 2002. Then the SB vs the Ravens. Also the one game vs the Eagles where the last minute hook and ladder to Tiki and I think Ron Dixon almost worked if Joe Jurevicius could've held on that block down the sideline.
Flipper  
Arkbach : 6/7/2024 2:15 pm : link
he's still running.
Jets  
ElitoCanton : 6/7/2024 2:16 pm : link
in 1988 is high on the list for me. Flipper game is definitely there too.
RE: Jets  
Mad Mike : 6/7/2024 2:16 pm : link
In comment 16532621 ElitoCanton said:
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in 1988 is high on the list for me. Flipper game is definitely there too.

That one still stings.
RE: RE: Jets  
Mad Mike : 6/7/2024 2:17 pm : link
In comment 16532623 Mad Mike said:
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That one still stings.

Flipper is what I was referring to.
Losing to the Eagles in the divisional round (2008 season)  
Sean : 6/7/2024 2:18 pm : link
That team should have beaten Arizona in the NFC title game at home and then you take your chances in the SB against Pittsburgh.

That team had a stretch where they went 25-5 in a 30 game stretch after the 0-2 start in 2007. There was nothing flukey about 2007 and 2011, that was a great stretch of NYG football.
RE: Losing to the Eagles in the divisional round (2008 season)  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/7/2024 2:21 pm : link
In comment 16532625 Sean said:
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That team should have beaten Arizona in the NFC title game at home and then you take your chances in the SB against Pittsburgh.

That team had a stretch where they went 25-5 in a 30 game stretch after the 0-2 start in 2007. There was nothing flukey about 2007 and 2011, that was a great stretch of NYG football.


You could feel that 2008 team running out of steam.

That more haunting loss to the Eagles to me were the ones to Buddy Ryan between the Super Bowls plus that huge lead we surrendered to them punctuated by the Matt Dodge punt.
RE: Losing to the Eagles in the divisional round (2008 season)  
Jerry in_DC : 6/7/2024 2:22 pm : link
In comment 16532625 Sean said:
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That team should have beaten Arizona in the NFC title game at home and then you take your chances in the SB against Pittsburgh.

That team had a stretch where they went 25-5 in a 30 game stretch after the 0-2 start in 2007. There was nothing flukey about 2007 and 2011, that was a great stretch of NYG football.


This is easy #1 for me. There were far more dramatic losses, but 2008 was the most meaningful. We were good and we should have gone back to the Super Bowl. That is easily the biggest missed opportunity since the Parcells era.

FWIW, 2011 was a little flukey. 2007 wasn't though. 07-08, we were a top team.
The Giants also had a stretch of 12-2  
Sean : 6/7/2024 2:23 pm : link
From 7-7 in 2011 to the midway point of 2012 they went 12-2.

That era of the Giants was always very dangerous and capable. 2008 could have been another ring.
we lost a game to the Eagles  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/7/2024 2:29 pm : link
in the late 80s where we blocked their field goal, Clyde Simmons picked it up and scored in OT. You can't make this crap up.
Melt down loss to Vikings in 1997  
Johnny5 : 6/7/2024 2:34 pm : link
NFC Wildcard game. We were winning handily and then fell apart and gave the game away in spectacular fashion, including the defensive players almost coming to blows on the field.
My memory may be off  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/7/2024 2:35 pm : link
but BBI's biggest state of shock was the 49er playoff loss.
Matt Dodge's 14-seconds-remaining line-drive punt to DeSean Jackson  
CT Charlie : 6/7/2024 2:37 pm : link
felt worse than any other loss to me. It wasn't really consequential, and the game should have gone to overtime where anything could happen.

But the misery of allowing the comeback, and of having to witness the impotence of the offense as well as ineptitude of the defense at crunch time – the experience made me feel hollow, or even stupid, like Charlie Brown believing that THIS TIME Lucy wouldn't pull the ball away...


DeSean Jackson's TD on Matt Dodge's punt - ( New Window )
RE: Flipper  
RCPhoenix : 6/7/2024 2:38 pm : link
In comment 16532620 Arkbach said:
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he's still running.


This is always the image (and game) that immediately comes to mind for me whenever the question of the 'worst loss for the Giants' is raised. Parcells had Mark Collins trying to cover Flipper on a bum ankle. That worked out well (not)
RE: My memory may be off  
Johnny5 : 6/7/2024 2:40 pm : link
In comment 16532641 Eric from BBI said:
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but BBI's biggest state of shock was the 49er playoff loss.

True but he took that one off the table in the OP. That loss and that 97 Vikings loss were both under Fassel and was why I couldn't wait for the Giants to can him. Probably unfair, but I certainly was happy to get Coughlin. That Vikings losss was BRUTAL. We were up by 16 at the half, and I think by 9 with 2 minutes left. Phillipi Sparks and Conrad Hamilton almost came to blows on the field. Vikings had to score, recover an onsides kick, get a PI, and then kick the winning FG with like 8 seconds left. I almost threw my TV out the window... lol
RE: My memory may be off  
RAIN : 6/7/2024 2:54 pm : link
In comment 16532641 Eric from BBI said:
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but BBI's biggest state of shock was the 49er playoff loss.


Your not off. That game took a year off my life. Trey Junkin and that collapse.
Yeah, nice list  
section125 : 6/7/2024 2:58 pm : link
of gut wrenching losses...the 49ers game was almost a laugher at one point and they managed to lose it (didn't Shockey drop a TD that would have iced it late?)
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/7/2024 3:01 pm : link
1/5/03. I went to a really dark place after that game.
The worst in my lifetime, were the...  
D HOS : 6/7/2024 3:14 pm : link
(These were already mentioned)

The "we would have won if the official called pass interference when our wide open and eligible o-lineman was tackled in the endzone before he could make the game winning TD catch after a botched fg snap" game

The "don't punt it to Desean" game.

The "submission formations" game.

Not real happy with Flipper, Sikahema, Joe Horn, Randy Moss, nearly every eagles player ever...

Every time the Giants have a bad loss, I think


RE: Jets  
Sec 103 : 6/7/2024 3:22 pm : link
In comment 16532621 ElitoCanton said:
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in 1988 is high on the list for me. Flipper game is definitely there too.

These
RE: Easily  
TheMick7 : 6/7/2024 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16532617 Eric from BBI said:
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the 49ers playoff game in the 2002 season.

But there are many contenders... the 1997 Vikings playoff loss. The two regular-season losses to Dallas in 1985. Etc., etc.


Nothing else comes close to the SF game! I remember just standing out on my deck(in a tee shirt & shorts) with snow coming down, just screaming into the night(now alcohol certainly played a role,but...) for over a half an hour & not being cold at all. My(ex)wife trying to convince me to come in & finally giving up. She knew how crazy I was when it came to the Giants.(I threw her sister out of our house at the start of the 4th quarter of SB 25 & still believe to this day,if she had stayed,Norwood makes the FG!)
RE: Jets  
Milton : 6/7/2024 3:46 pm : link
In comment 16532621 ElitoCanton said:
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in 1988 is high on the list for me.
This is the first one that came to mind for me, mainly because I wasn't thinking about it turns of how the game played out (blowing a lead or being embarrassed), but instead was thinking about it in terms of a game that we were favored to win and the stakes were so high (the fact that it was the Jets is the least of it).
The Flipper Anderson game  
Greg from LI : 6/7/2024 4:19 pm : link
That team was a Super Bowl quality team
1970 week 14 loss to Rams  
steve in ky : 6/7/2024 4:35 pm : link
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i hate the eagles  
bobc : 6/7/2024 4:41 pm : link
The fumble was the worse loss i can remember. got the team straighten out with coaches and GM all fired but the fumble killed me.
All the ones named already are good - Here's a few more  
kinard : 6/7/2024 5:06 pm : link
2006 against the Titans

Giants up 21-0 with 10 minutes left.Titans score 24 unanswered points and Giants lose.

Most memorable play was Mathias Kiwanuka sacking Vince Young and then inexplicably letting him go becuse he thought he heard a whistle (and Coughlin grabbing him by the facemask as he came off the field)

2014 in Jacksonville

Giants blow 21-3 halftime lead against Jags. In 4th quarter Aaron Colvin returns a fumble for a 50 yard TD and Josh Scobee hits a 43 yarder with 25 seconds left and Giants lose 25-24.

December 2004 in Baltimore

Eli's rookie year and drops a 0.0 QB rating game (4-18 with 2 picks) against a great Raven defense. I was embarrassed for him. How he ever recovered from that game, I'll never know.



The Ravens SB and the 49ers playoff game in the 2002  
GeofromNJ : 6/7/2024 6:38 pm : link
are tied for me because, in my view, both were preventable. I agree with Carl Banks who said on several occasions that if Fassel had played Garrett after Collins got knocked out, the Giants would have won. Banks claimed Collins had open receivers the entire game but was gun-shy after the hit and passing the ball too soon. As for the SF game, Fassel had a week to find a long snapper and the best he could do was Trey Junkin. In that same game, Jeff Garcia was running around like a mad man and Strahan was chasing him for four quarters. Late in the game, Strahan was motioning to the sidelines to be relieved (he could barely breathe) and Fassel ignored his plea. With a minute or two of rest, Garcia might have been caught, but Strahan received no rest and had nothing left.
Sounds like you are asking  
Matt in SGS : 6/7/2024 6:59 pm : link
me to post Pain Week again on the BigBlueVCR account...

lol, and for record, based on my top 20 losses, #1 was The Flipper Game.
RE: we lost a game to the Eagles  
ThomasG : 6/7/2024 7:05 pm : link
In comment 16532630 Eric from BBI said:
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in the late 80s where we blocked their field goal, Clyde Simmons picked it up and scored in OT. You can't make this crap up.


An insane loss that was all but forgotten. Thanks.
RE: The Ravens SB and the 49ers playoff game in the 2002  
ThomasG : 6/7/2024 7:09 pm : link
In comment 16532781 GeofromNJ said:
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are tied for me because, in my view, both were preventable. I agree with Carl Banks who said on several occasions that if Fassel had played Garrett after Collins got knocked out, the Giants would have won. Banks claimed Collins had open receivers the entire game but was gun-shy after the hit and passing the ball too soon. As for the SF game, Fassel had a week to find a long snapper and the best he could do was Trey Junkin. In that same game, Jeff Garcia was running around like a mad man and Strahan was chasing him for four quarters. Late in the game, Strahan was motioning to the sidelines to be relieved (he could barely breathe) and Fassel ignored his plea. With a minute or two of rest, Garcia might have been caught, but Strahan received no rest and had nothing left.


Totally agree.

The Eagle loss collapse in 2010 not too far behind.
RE: Matt Dodge's 14-seconds-remaining line-drive punt to DeSean Jackson  
Jimmy Meatballs : 6/7/2024 8:44 pm : link
In comment 16532645 CT Charlie said:
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felt worse than any other loss to me. It wasn't really consequential, and the game should have gone to overtime where anything could happen.

But the misery of allowing the comeback, and of having to witness the impotence of the offense as well as ineptitude of the defense at crunch time – the experience made me feel hollow, or even stupid, like Charlie Brown believing that THIS TIME Lucy wouldn't pull the ball away...
DeSean Jackson's TD on Matt Dodge's punt - ( New Window )


This one is etched in my mind as well. First game that affected me physically. I was so mad I had to lay down and I remember thinking “I really shouldn’t care this much. This is not healthy.”
85 bears playoff loss  
DJ5150 : 6/7/2024 9:15 pm : link
….the game mcnabb picked up the phone on our bench…..still want to punch him in the throat for that.
RE: 1970 week 14 loss to Rams  
jmdvm : 6/7/2024 11:57 pm : link
In comment 16532738 steve in ky said:
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Yes. A win and we're in.
So many others besides those already noted.
1963 championship game against the Bears. Shofner drops a pass in the end zone.
1993 regular season finale where Mark Jackson drops key passes and Emmitt carries the Cowboys with a separated shoulder to the division title, leaving our guys to get crushed the following week against the 49ers in Simms and LT's last game.
Loss to the Rams last game of 1970 season.  
BigBlueNH : 6/8/2024 2:15 am : link
Possibly my age at the time (10), but the Giants were finally going to make the playoffs for the first time in my fanhood, with a win over sub-500 Rams. They got blown out. I would have to wait another 11 years, well into my adulthood.
For me it was Flipper  
US1 Giants : 6/8/2024 7:36 am : link
It tore my heart out. I learned not to let any game affect me like that anymore.
Two words:  
Klaatu : 6/8/2024 8:54 am : link
Flipper Anderson.
RE: we lost a game to the Eagles  
St. Jimmy : 6/8/2024 8:57 am : link
In comment 16532630 Eric from BBI said:
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in the late 80s where we blocked their field goal, Clyde Simmons picked it up and scored in OT. You can't make this crap up.
Wasn't the kick on third down and because it was blocked and landed behind the line of scrimmage the Eagles would have got to kick again? Those losses to the Eagles in the 80s were maddening.
Lots of heartbreaking losses but, looking back, the 1963 championship  
Ivan15 : 6/8/2024 10:24 am : link
Giants-Bears game was as bad as any loss. After losing to the Packers in the 1961 and 1962 games, the high powered Giants offense with Y.A. Tittle at the top of his game, should have blown out the Monsters of the Midway. A brutally cold day slowed the Giants offense.

1963 probably was a high water mark for the Giants as they entered the Wilderness Years and my waning teenage years. We didn’t know that at the time, although everyone knew the Giants dominance in the Eastern Conference couldn’t last forever.

The SF playoff game in 2002  
Dave on the UWS : 6/8/2024 11:08 am : link
was clearly the most devastating.
But the one that REALLY rubs me the wrong way, was the Dodge punt game, where Desean Jackson, stuck it right in our face with the way he ran parallel to the goal line before going in.
Still pisses me off.
RE: Easily  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 6/8/2024 11:20 am : link
In comment 16532617 Eric from BBI said:
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the 49ers playoff game in the 2002 season.

But there are many contenders... the 1997 Vikings playoff loss. The two regular-season losses to Dallas in 1985. Etc., etc.


+1
RE: The SF playoff game in 2002  
Johnny5 : 6/8/2024 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16533022 Dave on the UWS said:
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was clearly the most devastating.
But the one that REALLY rubs me the wrong way, was the Dodge punt game, where Desean Jackson, stuck it right in our face with the way he ran parallel to the goal line before going in.
Still pisses me off.

Yeah, that was definitely a bad one as well. I can still picture in slow motion Marcellus Rivers and his cement shoes as the last line of defense running (like he was underwater) after Jackson on a horrible angle as I was yelling "Nooooooo!!!" lol
Actually  
Johnny5 : 6/8/2024 12:52 pm : link
I have that wrong. I think the PRTD I am thinking of with Rivers was on a Michael Westbrook return. Another back breaker with like a minute left on the clock.

Ugh yeah the Jackson one was maybe worse, but they were both awful back breaking game winners for Philly.
I don't think I agree with your 2nd order premise fully  
BH28 : 6/8/2024 12:57 pm : link
I see where you are coming from with '03 playoff game, that collapse lead to Fassel getting canned and hiring Coughlin and the rest is history.

The Desean punt game, didn't bring any franchise altering changes if I recall. The team was basically the same team that won the SB the next year.

If anything, that loss prevented them from making the playoffs in 2010 (who knows if they would have gone anywhere).

So that's the worst one in my opinion.
Many of us agree on the worst games...  
DefenseWins : 6/8/2024 2:53 pm : link
but what we may not agree on is WHO or WHAT was truly the cause of those loses..

Miracle in the Meadowlands 1 = Coaching - handing off the ball instead of taking a knee.

Miracle in the Meadowlands 2 = It was NOT Matt Dodge. The game was lost before he kicked that ball. Coughlin put the team in the dreaded "prevent" mode. We did not move the ball on offense for an entire quarter and the defense was playing the bend and break scheme. Dodge was the scapegoat and by the way someone could have tackled Jackson. Even if we kicked it out of bounds, the game was being dominated by the Eagles at that point and the momentum was on their side.

49ers playoff game - Fassel shut down the offense once we had a large lead. The defense also completely folded. I have to also blame leadership on that defense including Strahan who let the guys on the field lose their cool.

Superbowl vs Ravens - This is on Fassel. The team was not prepared at all. Not saying we should have won but it was a complete embarrassment and we could not do anything except return one kick. We were so bad that on the next play we let the Ravens return one too.
RE: I don't think I agree with your 2nd order premise fully  
BlackLight : 6/8/2024 8:45 pm : link
In comment 16533052 BH28 said:
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The Desean punt game, didn't bring any franchise altering changes if I recall. The team was basically the same team that won the SB the next year.

So that's the worst one in my opinion.


I think it forced a mindset for the following season. "Finish" was the theme of the year - that game is what put it in play.
The worst loss has to  
gridirony : 6/10/2024 8:47 am : link
have been a home game, where 60,000+ fans are absolutely miserable, muttering and trudging slowly out of the stadium.

For a road game, it's just individuals swearing at their TVs.
The Kiwi non sack on VY  
fanoftheteam : 6/10/2024 4:10 pm : link
Hurt really bad at the time.

But in that same season - did no one mention the Jay Feely 3 miss game in 06? That hurt me the most outside the obvious ones stated. Had a chance to peove we could enter Seattle and win regardless of the noise etc.
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