Have been wondering why they switched Runyon from preferred left side to right and Eleumonur from his more exprienced side (right) to left. Explantations
They want Runyon between Neal and JMS
They feel if Eleumonur has to move to tackle- Stinne,Ezeudu and Neal would fill in at left guard.
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Put both guards on sides they're less experienced on, so that when your right tackle fails and you have to move your guard to tackle (on the other side), your weak backup guards will be on their preferred side. That's the plan?
Or maybe Daboll/Carmen are a step ahead of what Ed Valentine is thinking. After last year's musical chairs though, it's hard to assume that.
Put both guards on sides they're less experienced on, so that when your right tackle fails and you have to move your guard to tackle (on the other side), your weak backup guards will be on their preferred side. That's the plan?
Or maybe Daboll/Carmen are a step ahead of what Ed Valentine is thinking. After last year's musical chairs though, it's hard to assume that.
Agreed. Our problem is that for the past decade plus, we seems to be more concerned with our worst case scenario instead of getting our starters ready. For years all you hear is flexibility along the OL. Next thing we know, our starters suck to begin with, then there are injuries, and we still suck with our versatility. I really hope this works but why flip sides with Neal? I don't get it. Going from G to T or T to G on the same side of the line us easier for most than going from T to T or G to G on different sides of the line.
Put both guards on sides they're less experienced on, so that when your right tackle fails and you have to move your guard to tackle (on the other side), your weak backup guards will be on their preferred side. That's the plan?
Or maybe Daboll/Carmen are a step ahead of what Ed Valentine is thinking. After last year's musical chairs though, it's hard to assume that.
Runyan has an equal amount of experience on both sides. Experience isn't the issue with him. Eluemunor has played every position except center.
I want to know how they performed with the bullets flying for real.
What does the oft-injured Neal look like. Are the new FA signings good.
So much hinges on finally getting a OL that competes in both the running and passing game.
Tired of the slop we have been running out there year after year.
Put both guards on sides they're less experienced on, so that when your right tackle fails and you have to move your guard to tackle (on the other side), your weak backup guards will be on their preferred side. That's the plan?
Or maybe Daboll/Carmen are a step ahead of what Ed Valentine is thinking. After last year's musical chairs though, it's hard to assume that.
Runyan played 925 snaps at right guard for the packers last year and he played 680 snaps at right guard in 2022 (320 snaps at left guard). I wouldn’t say he is less experienced there.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
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It’s a real puzzle to me why he has not yet gotten it.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
Like A beaten drum. Here comes another comment about Daniel Jones on a thread that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
Agreed, though would be nice to do that without forcing movement all around the line. If they dont become confident in Neal, then perhaps have Eluemenor on the bench waiting to take his spot. Rotation at LG won't help JMS either.
I think Sy’56 said he liked Neal’s sophomore year at RT better than his junior year at LT.
I don’t think Runyon’s position would be an issue if he had not said that he prefers LG. He was a LT in college so that switch to LG probably was easier and more comfortable than switching to RG. However, he played both and now has a lot of pro experience at each spot.
He scores higher as a pass blocker than a run blocker so that may have something to do with putting him at RG.
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It’s a real puzzle to me why he has not yet gotten it.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
Like A beaten drum. Here comes another comment about Daniel Jones on a thread that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
It's not so much about DJ as it is about being consistent with the application of patience for a young player in a suboptimal situation.
The best five as far as we know now are Thomas, Eluemunor, JMS, Runyon and Neal. Exactly who are currently projected as starters. Not prioritizing depth or emergency scenarios.
His health (and poor coaching) are the primary reasons he has yet to fulfill his vast potential.
If he can play 17 healthy games this year, we WILL see a massive difference.
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That's par for the course for this organization. They've been bottom dwellers for years for a reason.
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Again prioritizing depth and emergency scenarios over putting their best 5 where they belong and letting them rep.
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That's par for the course for this organization. They've been bottom dwellers for years for a reason.
Do people seriously not read or not actually follow what positions players have actually played? One person makes a comment or posts something and it gets parroted over and over again.
Fact 1 - Jon Runyan jr. Has been playing Right Guard for the last year and a half.
Fact 2 - Jon Runyan jr. Has over 1600 snaps at Right guard for the past 2 seasons.
Fact 3 - last season while playing Right Guard, he allowed only two sacks and six quarterback hits in 568 pass-block snaps, according to Pro Football Focus. His pass rush win rate in 2023 of 94.2 percent was the ninth best among guards.
Fact 4 - JON RUNYAN: Yeah, my whole career, it didn't matter where I played. Early on in the career I played mainly the left, and towards the end, second half, moved over to the right. It feels natural for me now. Kind of when I moved over there about two years ago, I kind of felt like a fish out of water, but it's kind of my home now and I feel comfortable there.
The only player who is changing positions is Eluemunor and he played under Bricillo with the Raiders and Patriots. We all knew when he signed that he was most likely p,saying guard and he was insurance for Neal at Right Tackle.
Continue on with the hand wringing, but at the very least be factual in making statements.
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It’s a real puzzle to me why he has not yet gotten it.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
My view has nothing to do with patience as I’m not being critical of Neal. I’m just surprised that he is not yet established at the position. Coming out of Bama, I thought he was a great pick and a guy who would step in and start / star almost immediately. He was dominant in the SEC and he has the size, the tools and the apparent work ethic … it’s all there.
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It’s a real puzzle to me why he has not yet gotten it.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
My view has nothing to do with patience as I’m not being critical of Neal. I’m just surprised that he is not yet established at the position. Coming out of Bama, I thought he was a great pick and a guy who would step in and start / star almost immediately. He was dominant in the SEC and he has the size, the tools and the apparent work ethic … it’s all there.
Neal was a very attractive prospect going into his junior year at Bama. Not sure he had a great third year though before turning pro as he struggled with good SEC pass rushers. However, he certainly had enough of a pedigree, size and power to be a highly sought after NFL prospect.
While injuries have occurred over past 2 years, it just seems that lack of development, particularly in his footwork, from his final year in college has continued. And now it looks so worse because the competition he faces every week is very good.
Hopefully he gets back on the field very soon this summer because he has to develop that footwork and build up some confidence that he can succeed at this level.
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It’s a real puzzle to me why he has not yet gotten it.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
Like A beaten drum. Here comes another comment about Daniel Jones on a thread that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
It's not so much about DJ as it is about being consistent with the application of patience for a young player in a suboptimal situation.
Put both guards on sides they're less experienced on, so that when your right tackle fails and you have to move your guard to tackle (on the other side), your weak backup guards will be on their preferred side. That's the plan?
Or maybe Daboll/Carmen are a step ahead of what Ed Valentine is thinking. After last year's musical chairs though, it's hard to assume that.
And Bricillo and elumanour who've been together 6 out of 7 years they've been in the NFL, Bricillo doesn't know what he's doing with the man. got it.
I think the pereption that elumanour is the most likely to get moved if neal shits the bed, and therefore sets it up so LG is the position he can
A) most easily replace and
B) has to fill only one spot and not make multiple position changes does seem sound thinking.
I think Sy’56 said he liked Neal’s sophomore year at RT better than his junior year at LT.
To me it's not. First injuries. He played injured his first year. Injure again last year. And just as importantly OL coach sucked.
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Neal Is not fully recovered from ankle surgery and will be replaced by Eleumenor. When Neal is ready, he can start working at LG and as the swing tackle. Neal’s college experience is as freshman LG, sophomore RT and junior LT.
I think Sy’56 said he liked Neal’s sophomore year at RT better than his junior year at LT.
Um, wouldn't the easy out be to have Elumanour start at RT then, runyon at LG and Stinnie and Ezudu compete for RG???????
If Eluemunor goes to RT Runyon will stay at RG and Stinnie and Ezeudu will compete at LG. That’s in the article.
Agree! Seems like they are a player short at least. I was hoping for a guard in round 3 that could potentially have made Eloumenors move to RT easier if needed. Hoping Neal turns it around. But as a franchise, you can't count on this and assume it.
I think Carmen Bricillo is "Just what the doctor ordered", #1 he learned for the best, the Pats' Dante Scarnecchia; #2 Bricillo has had success everywhere he's been
After struggling mightily, both tackle Evan Neal and "swing" guard and tackle "E-Z" Ezeudu actually started to look better, right before they went out injured.
Jon Runyan and Eluemunor are going to be solid guards. Their being there is going to work wonders for JMS, at center.
I'd love to see a fullback in the backfield to shore-up the pass/run blocking. We'll see.
I'd love to see a fullback in the backfield to shore-up the pass/run blocking. We'll see.
How about Chapman?
It was amazing to see how well he was playing when he came back from the Eagles.
Then the quad injury, "what a kick in the pants" !
Sure could use a healthy Tyree, just about now
I really want to find out how reps Neal has had with all his injuries.
From some of my rough calculations, a full time OL playing all 17 games (not counting playoffs) would experience approximately 1000 reps per season.
Anyone else have better info re: reps per season.
His health (and poor coaching) are the primary reasons he has yet to fulfill his vast potential.
If he can play 17 healthy games this year, we WILL see a massive difference.
Ok, just read your post. That was the premise behind my question re: how many reps has Neal had with all his injuries.
I concur that he needs reps to unlock that potential.
It was amazing to see how well he was playing when he came back from the Eagles.
Then the quad injury, "what a kick in the pants" !
Sure could use a healthy Tyree, just about now
It appears he's a free agent.
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It’s a real puzzle to me why he has not yet gotten it.
I think we've established that it takes 6+ years to develop in the NFL, so Neal is only halfway there.
Or are we not giving Neal the same patience that we gave Jones?
Like A beaten drum. Here comes another comment about Daniel Jones on a thread that has nothing to do with Daniel Jones.
It's not so much about DJ as it is about being consistent with the application of patience for a young player in a suboptimal situation.
The major difference is that QBs are dependent on the OL and the skill players to be successful. An OT just needs to be able to do their job.
What if that OT had the worst OL coach in the league and simultaneously battled injuries?