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NFT: Hockey Thread: Stanley Cup Finals Start Tonight

pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 7:17 am
Edmonton Oilers @ Florida Panthers 8pm ET on ABC.

The Panthers are favored to win the series due to a well balanced team and a stout goalie, but the Oilers have the playoffs top 4 scorers and 5 of the top 7.

Florida's biggest weakness is their D are not very good defensively and due to their aggressive style they play in the offensive zone are prone to giving up odd-man rushes and they rely on their goalie (Bobrovsky) to bail them out. They also take a lot of penalties (generally speaking).

the Oilers are lethal on the power play (37.3% to lead the playoffs). The Oilers PK also leads the playoffs. They will need both to be at their best to win the series because their goalie (Skinner) has not been consistent (but was fantastic in the Dallas series).

This is Connor McDavid and Leon Draisaitl's first SCF appearance and both have had stellar careers to this point, but post-season success has eluded them both and been a stain to an extent on their careers. The only stain.

Should be a fun series. The heavy forecheck and 200-foot game of Florida with Barkov, Tkachuck, Bennett, Verhaeghe, Reinhart, vs the speed and skill of Edmonton with McDavid, Draisaitl, Hyman, Bouchard, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, etc.

I kept waiting for either or both of these to happen against  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 7:38 am : link
the Rangers and neither did:

"Florida's biggest weakness is their D are not very good defensively and due to their aggressive style they play in the offensive zone are prone to giving up odd-man rushes and they rely on their goalie (Bobrovsky) to bail them out. They also take a lot of penalties (generally speaking)."

Rangers don't have McDavid and Draisatl either though, so maybe it will come to fruition in the finals.

I've been pulling for the Oilers to come out of the West, but if the Panthers win I won't be disappointed after they just throttled the Rangers. If that series was close, I would probably be pulling harder for the Oilers.

Panthers in 6.
NYR  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 8:07 am : link
were 1 for 15 on the PP vs FLA. That's the story of the series right there. The Rangers, during the regular season, had the 3rd best PP at 26.4%, if they played to their season average that's 3 more goals in the series and they lost 3 1-goal games. I know it's not that simple, but sometimes it is a big part of the reason for the outcome.

I think the Oilers win but should be a great series  
Metnut : 6/8/2024 8:20 am : link
Would love to see Florida win though and have Okposo get ring. He’s a really good dude and glad see him in a deep run. He left NYI before they made their back to back deep runs.
I actually like some of the Panthers defense  
Rick in Dallas : 6/8/2024 8:24 am : link
Especially Forsling and Montour.
They were terrific against Rangers
RE: NYR  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 8:43 am : link
In comment 16532966 pjcas18 said:
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were 1 for 15 on the PP vs FLA. That's the story of the series right there. The Rangers, during the regular season, had the 3rd best PP at 26.4%, if they played to their season average that's 3 more goals in the series and they lost 3 1-goal games. I know it's not that simple, but sometimes it is a big part of the reason for the outcome.


Not disagreeing with your point because it was a major part of the reason Rangers lost, but Panthers averaged 2.5 penalties per game. I guess when the puck is constantly in the offensive zone it's easier to avoid the penalties though, so there's that.
Panthers in 6  
Optimus-NY : 6/8/2024 9:46 am : link
They handled the Rangers. Credit to them. I hope the Oilers win, but don't think they will.
I hope the TV network get a zero rating.....and freak out!  
George from PA : 6/8/2024 9:56 am : link
We could have had NY/Dallas and got Edmonton and no-where Florida!!!!
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/8/2024 10:10 am : link
It'd be cool if the Oilers won it. A Canadian team hasn't won it all since '93.
I Thought Hockey was Over...  
mvftw : 6/8/2024 10:46 am : link
LOL
Go Oilers  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2024 11:08 am : link
The Panthers and their unique blend of cheap shots and flopping are very easy to hate. Fuck them
What Greg said  
gtt350 : 6/8/2024 11:09 am : link
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RE: RE: NYR  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 11:35 am : link
In comment 16532976 Rob in Rockaway said:
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were 1 for 15 on the PP vs FLA. That's the story of the series right there. The Rangers, during the regular season, had the 3rd best PP at 26.4%, if they played to their season average that's 3 more goals in the series and they lost 3 1-goal games. I know it's not that simple, but sometimes it is a big part of the reason for the outcome.




Not disagreeing with your point because it was a major part of the reason Rangers lost, but Panthers averaged 2.5 penalties per game. I guess when the puck is constantly in the offensive zone it's easier to avoid the penalties though, so there's that.


Exactly, most penalties occur when the other team has the puck and you are trying to get it, so the Panthers having the puck so much the Rangers couldn't draw the normal penalties the Panthers usually commit.

So the Panthers penalties were lower than usual in that series.

All that said if the Rangers convert to their regular season average on power plays in the series there is quite possibly a different outcome.
My bets  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 12:15 pm : link
so far:

EDM to win the cup (I think FLA wins, but I like the underdog odds)

McDavid to win Conn Smythe
Barkov to win Conn Smythe
PJ you have been dogging Florida's D all playoffs  
Stu11 : 6/8/2024 12:50 pm : link
I just don't see it. They have been solid. I wouldn't say they are shut down elite, but they do the job and do not make the mistakes that lose you games. That having been said I'm pulling for Edmonton. It's about time a Canadian team took home the cup and they are a likable fun team to watch.
RE: PJ you have been dogging Florida's D all playoffs  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 12:53 pm : link
In comment 16533047 Stu11 said:
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I just don't see it. They have been solid. I wouldn't say they are shut down elite, but they do the job and do not make the mistakes that lose you games. That having been said I'm pulling for Edmonton. It's about time a Canadian team took home the cup and they are a likable fun team to watch.


The Rangers didn't expose them, but BOS and TBL did. FLA was FAR more talented than BOS and TBL so it didn't cost them series, but if you watched those games there was a ton of odd-man rushes and PP's.

Forsling is fantastic, but none of the other D are defensive D's.
I felt the winner of the Rangers/Panthers Series  
AROCK1000 : 6/8/2024 5:09 pm : link
Would win the cup
Still do...
In non-SCF news  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 6:15 pm : link
the salary cap has been set for 2024-2025 at $88M.

Largest increase since 2018-2019. Cap was $83.5M last year.
Panthers in 5  
Gman11 : 6/8/2024 6:42 pm : link
They shut down the Rangers' big guns. They can do it to Edmonton too.
Panthers in 7  
Rick in Dallas : 6/8/2024 8:12 pm : link
Looking forward to a very good SCF.
Give the edge to Panthers due to Bobrosky in goal over Skinner
......  
Route 9 : 6/8/2024 8:34 pm : link
Ceci

What was that?
Good period  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 9:03 pm : link
EDM controlled the play, FLA leads on the scoreboard.

Only 1 period but if  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:04 pm : link
Bobrovsky plays like this it will be tough for the Oilers
RE: Only 1 period but if  
rnargi : 6/8/2024 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16533169 Rob in Rockaway said:
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Bobrovsky plays like this it will be tough for the Oilers


Welp he's carried it into the second and FL has extended the lead. Crazy
Other than the shot differential  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:33 pm : link
this is similar to the Rangers series. Verhagy and then Rodrigues left all alone to bury shots point blank in front of Skinner.
The only similarities  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 9:37 pm : link
so far to the Rangers series is that the Oilers also failing to capitalize on the power play. and they need to in order to win the series IMO.

FLA is not close to dominating zone time like they did vs NYR and the EDM forwards are moving their feet and forechecking effectively.

but it's very early.
RE: The only similarities  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16533202 pjcas18 said:
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so far to the Rangers series is that the Oilers also failing to capitalize on the power play. and they need to in order to win the series IMO.

FLA is not close to dominating zone time like they did vs NYR and the EDM forwards are moving their feet and forechecking effectively.

but it's very early.


I meant the goals and I'm right about that.
I did say  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/8/2024 9:44 pm : link
"other than", so that puts me wrong.
Florida seems so much more rugged than EDM too  
PetesHereNow : 6/8/2024 10:52 pm : link
Just more physical, and they have a massive goalie advantage with Bobrovsky over Skinner.
Florida  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 10:58 pm : link
definitely outhit EDM. that was never really going to be a question, but this is the game EDM wanted.

they just need to score on their chances. 3 (at least) breakaways and 3 or 4 power plays. need to capitalize or they have no chance.
Wow  
Route 9 : 6/8/2024 11:00 pm : link
Impressive win
Hasek  
RasputinPrime : 6/8/2024 11:02 pm : link
stands on his BOB tonight.

They will get McDavid'd on Monday.
Road  
pjcas18 : 6/8/2024 11:04 pm : link
teams just need to split the opening 2 and they steal home ice.

So, win Monday and EDM did what they needed to do. Lose and the odds are long for them to win.
Panthers stole one last night  
Rick in Dallas : 6/9/2024 7:36 am : link
Bobrovsky was awesome
Having said that I expect the Panthers to get to their checking game . They were rusty having a week off.
......  
Route 9 : 6/9/2024 12:47 pm : link
That was some championship hockey there last night by Florida. Get out shot by almost 60% but cash in when need be and A+ goaltending. That was some Patrick Roy shit last night lol
This has to be a joke  
pjcas18 : 6/9/2024 3:18 pm : link
this site is awesome.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
It won’t happen until July, but according to multiple sources, the Washington Capitals have reached an agreement to purchase the outstanding CapFriendly website, @FriedgeHNIC
reports.
RE: ......  
rnargi : 6/9/2024 7:23 pm : link
In comment 16533345 Route 9 said:
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That was some championship hockey there last night by Florida. Get out shot by almost 60% but cash in when need be and A+ goaltending. That was some Patrick Roy shit last night lol


Yep
RE: Go Oilers  
Optimus-NY : 6/9/2024 8:00 pm : link
In comment 16533021 Greg from LI said:
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The Panthers and their unique blend of cheap shots and flopping are very easy to hate. Fuck them


Double Amen and Double phuq them.
RE: This has to be a joke  
Stu11 : 6/9/2024 9:25 pm : link
In comment 16533443 pjcas18 said:
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this site is awesome.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
It won’t happen until July, but according to multiple sources, the Washington Capitals have reached an agreement to purchase the outstanding CapFriendly website, @FriedgeHNIC
reports.

Yeah I use that site all the time for checking the NHL team cap stuff.
Game 2 in FLA  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 10:30 am : link
tonight @ 8:00.

If EDM plays the exact same game as Saturday I think they get a good outcome. I don't think Bobrovsky can keep up that level of play.

But also, I doubt FLA plays as flat tonight as they did Saturday.

I also don't think EDM can play McDavid 25 min again nor should they.

Should be a fun game.
RE: This has to be a joke  
Mad Mike : 6/10/2024 10:32 am : link
In comment 16533443 pjcas18 said:
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this site is awesome.

Sportsnet
@Sportsnet
It won’t happen until July, but according to multiple sources, the Washington Capitals have reached an agreement to purchase the outstanding CapFriendly website, @FriedgeHNIC
reports.

So ridiculous. Hey, let's take a site that our fans enjoy using and... shut it down.
I expect the Panthers will play a much better game tonight  
Rick in Dallas : 6/10/2024 10:49 am : link
Looking forward to a fun game.
I will go into hockey withdrawals after the SCF’s
September can’t come fast enough
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:38 pm : link
Yikes. Florida is ridiculous.

ZERO shots on goal for Edmonton so far.
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:41 pm : link
Ouch. Rough hit near the knee.
What a turn of events  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 8:48 pm : link
FLA with the 5 min PP off the major, takes a dumb penalty to even it out and EDM scores their 1st of the series off a 3 on 1.

1-0 EDM.
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:48 pm : link
There ya go finally
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 8:50 pm : link
Holy shit. How long was that net wide open for?
wow  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 9:25 pm : link
that's a weak penalty call on Tkachuk.
......  
Route 9 : 6/10/2024 9:45 pm : link
5 SOG for Edmonton
Guys I know I'm missing something here  
Stu11 : 6/10/2024 10:12 pm : link
This is driving me nuts. They keep posting that graphic that at 2541 miles this is the furthest distance between Stanley cup final arenas. I just looked it up MSG & crypto.com arena are over 2700 miles apart. Also the Rock in Newark & Crypto must be just about the same. What am I missing here?
RE: Guys I know I'm missing something here  
pjcas18 : 6/10/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16534318 Stu11 said:
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This is driving me nuts. They keep posting that graphic that at 2541 miles this is the furthest distance between Stanley cup final arenas. I just looked it up MSG & crypto.com arena are over 2700 miles apart. Also the Rock in Newark & Crypto must be just about the same. What am I missing here?


not sure what search you are using:

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Madison Square Garden Center to Crypto.com Arena
Rome2Rio
https://www.rome2rio.com › Crypto-com-Arena
How far is it from Madison Square Garden Center to Crypto.com Arena? The distance between Madison Square Garden Center and Crypto.com Arena is 2494 miles.
RE: Guys I know I'm missing something here  
Mad Mike : 6/10/2024 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16534318 Stu11 said:
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This is driving me nuts. They keep posting that graphic that at 2541 miles this is the furthest distance between Stanley cup final arenas. I just looked it up MSG & crypto.com arena are over 2700 miles apart. Also the Rock in Newark & Crypto must be just about the same. What am I missing here?

MSG and Crypto <2500 miles apart.
RE: RE: Guys I know I'm missing something here  
Mad Mike : 6/10/2024 10:20 pm : link
In comment 16534324 Mad Mike said:
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MSG and Crypto <2500 miles apart.

Are <
Ahhh I used Google navigation  
Stu11 : 6/10/2024 10:23 pm : link
Probably used a different route not direct
Teams'  
Pete in MD : 6/10/2024 10:24 pm : link
arenas in the same final.
I would think  
Pete in MD : 6/10/2024 10:36 pm : link
Islanders or Rangers vs Vancouver would be further, but i guess not.
Panthers played their heavy game tonight  
Rick in Dallas : 6/10/2024 11:16 pm : link
Got chippy in the third period …especially the Oilers
Bobrovsky is a huge advantage in goal for Panthers.
I thought Draisatil left his feet on elbow hit yo Barkov
I love Draisaitl but yikes  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/10/2024 11:45 pm : link
That was dirty as hippie feet. Elbow to the head and leaving his feet, should have been 5 and a gate
Oilers power play  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2024 7:29 am : link
is buzzing, generating zone time, but not many high danger chances. Looks better than the Rangers PP, but with the same result.

Need to shoot more. They keep looking for the seam pass and Barkov (or others) keep getting their stick in the lane. Probably why Draisaitl targeted Barkov. I hope he returns he was my FLA bet for Conn Smythe. Though at this rate it's Bobrovsky's to lose.

The PP is the story of the series, like FLA vs NYR. Other things are happening and people will harp on them, but the difference is 0% on the PP for EDM, a team who relies on PP goals to score.

They say your goalie has to be your best penalty killer and while I don't think EDM is getting the best looks, it's probably true about Bobrovsky.

EDM should be shooting for sticks, getting traffic in front, etc. but hard to tell the owners of a historic playoff PP they need to do something differently.
I expect Draisaitl will be hearing from Dept of Player Safety  
Rick in Dallas : 6/11/2024 9:46 am : link
On his cheap shot hit on Barkov.
Quite frankly, I am shocked he did not receive a major penalty from referees who huddled up after hit.
I hope Barkov is OK as he is fun to watch
I don't think it's suspension  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2024 10:06 am : link
worthy, but probably should have been a major - maybe he'll get a fine, but fines are a joke in the NHL. $10,000 max for 1st offense in a 12-month period.

RE: Oilers power play  
BH28 : 6/11/2024 11:00 am : link
In comment 16534388 pjcas18 said:
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is buzzing, generating zone time, but not many high danger chances. Looks better than the Rangers PP, but with the same result.

Need to shoot more. They keep looking for the seam pass and Barkov (or others) keep getting their stick in the lane. Probably why Draisaitl targeted Barkov. I hope he returns he was my FLA bet for Conn Smythe. Though at this rate it's Bobrovsky's to lose.

The PP is the story of the series, like FLA vs NYR. Other things are happening and people will harp on them, but the difference is 0% on the PP for EDM, a team who relies on PP goals to score.

They say your goalie has to be your best penalty killer and while I don't think EDM is getting the best looks, it's probably true about Bobrovsky.

EDM should be shooting for sticks, getting traffic in front, etc. but hard to tell the owners of a historic playoff PP they need to do something differently.


This is probably a poor analogy, but heavy reliance or success on PP reminds me of baseball teams with extremely good offenses trying to find success in October. Things tighten up and it's usually the teams with the timely pitching and good defense that usually end up winning.
That analogy  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2024 11:11 am : link
is not terrible because FLA had the lowest GA for the regular season.

but...LAK was 3rd and VAN was 6th and DAL was 8th (all top 10) and EDM beat all three to get here and in the process had put up the highest PP% in playoff history.

So, FLA is it, they have it figured out?

Even if EDM was not producing on the PP at historic levels so far in this series being 0 for 7 is a series loser for them - IOW they don't need almost 40% but 20% would be ok and possibly gets them a split in FLA.

......  
Route 9 : 6/11/2024 12:05 pm : link
Damn. 1 goal in 2 games for Edmonton. I really didn't think Florida would win that game after the 1-0 lead.

Florida looks unbeatable and I guess everyone was right saying Rangers/Panthers was the SCF.
4 nations schedule  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2024 1:47 pm : link
released. Of course USA vs Canada is in MTL, but I am definitely going to try and get tickets for the BOS game USA vs SWE game and maybe the finals.

RE: 4 nations schedule  
Route 9 : 6/11/2024 4:01 pm : link
In comment 16534646 pjcas18 said:
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released. Of course USA vs Canada is in MTL, but I am definitely going to try and get tickets for the BOS game USA vs SWE game and maybe the finals.



Do you think Edmonton is going to be swept?
RE: RE: 4 nations schedule  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2024 4:02 pm : link
In comment 16534757 Route 9 said:
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released. Of course USA vs Canada is in MTL, but I am definitely going to try and get tickets for the BOS game USA vs SWE game and maybe the finals.





Do you think Edmonton is going to be swept?


Sure seems possible, If they can't score on the PP seems even more possible. I think they win at least one in Edmonton though.
......  
Route 9 : 6/11/2024 4:05 pm : link
I think the last sweep in the NHL finals was the Red Wings? 1998?
RE: ......  
BrettNYG10 : 6/11/2024 6:35 pm : link
In comment 16534761 Route 9 said:
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I think the last sweep in the NHL finals was the Red Wings? 1998?


Correct.

I think FL sweeps.
Any news on Barkov injury?  
Rick in Dallas : 6/11/2024 7:06 pm : link
Hope he is able to play next game
Maurice only said  
pjcas18 : 6/11/2024 7:09 pm : link
"he's not worse. So that's good" from what I have read.

the extra day should help. didn't look like he broke anything serious or suffered any LBI or a shoulder injury so either a jaw which is NBD (easy for me to say, lol) or a concussion (which could be serious) IMO.
......  
Route 9 : 6/12/2024 7:50 am : link
Remember that 2002 team the Wings had? Holy shit that was a team with some names on it. Lol.
RE: RE: ......  
Route 9 : 6/12/2024 7:51 am : link
In comment 16534850 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 16534761 Route 9 said:


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I think the last sweep in the NHL finals was the Red Wings? 1998?



Correct.

I think FL sweeps.


Lol I remember being mad a week ago about how things turned out but if they can suffocate Connor mcdavid then ... It can happen to anyone?
LeBrun  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2024 12:20 pm : link
with an article today with 9 buyout candidates.

The first buyout window opens 48 hours after the SC is won - which the way things are doing could be in less than a week.

Of the 9 players the only noteworthy ones:

Pierre Luc Dubois - MTL dodged a bullet/freight train by not trading for and extending PLD. What a disaster he has been. If they buy him out this off-season they are just on the hook for 1/3 of the total owed since he is not yet 26. If they want until June 24th or later (when he turns 26) they're on the hook for 2/3rds. GM's (Rob Blake in this case) don't like to admit they were wrong, so I doubt they do it, but I can see it making sense.

Barclay Goodrow - I think this is more of the player not matching their contract than Goodrow being a bad player. from the link...
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...could buy him out this month and not only not have a penalty, but a unique salary cap credit of $247,222 next season to effectively increase their cap to $88.247 million? That feels like a no-brainer. By 2026-27, that one painful year of the buyout, the salary cap should be north of $97 million...


Jean-Gabriel Pageau - per the article - more likely to be traded, but buyout is not out of the question.

the rest are not interesting, except Cam Atkinson, but he's mostly interesting b/c I see him being in demand if he's bought out (and healthy). Maybe PLD too, but PLD might have played himself out of a good contract.
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RE: RE: RE: ......  
BrettNYG10 : 6/12/2024 3:28 pm : link
In comment 16535015 Route 9 said:
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In comment 16534850 BrettNYG10 said:


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In comment 16534761 Route 9 said:


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I think the last sweep in the NHL finals was the Red Wings? 1998?



Correct.

I think FL sweeps.



Lol I remember being mad a week ago about how things turned out but if they can suffocate Connor mcdavid then ... It can happen to anyone?


I'm still mad. I think it's the Rangers winning it all if Fox didn't get hurt.
Patrik Laine wants out of Columbus  
Anakim : 6/12/2024 7:54 pm : link
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RE: Patrik Laine wants out of Columbus  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2024 7:57 pm : link
In comment 16535652 Anakim said:
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Hate to say it of a player in the player assistance program, but I wouldn't touch him. Let someone else allow him to re-establish his value.

In fact, I'd even rather have Pierre Luc Dubois (assuming he's bought out).
RE: RE: Patrik Laine wants out of Columbus  
Anakim : 6/12/2024 8:05 pm : link
In comment 16535655 pjcas18 said:
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Hate to say it of a player in the player assistance program, but I wouldn't touch him. Let someone else allow him to re-establish his value.

In fact, I'd even rather have Pierre Luc Dubois (assuming he's bought out).


Trouba for Laine? (I'm only half kidding)
CBJ  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2024 9:56 pm : link
would do that trade in a heartbeat, no one but the Trouba haters fan club lead by Anakim would do it from NY.

Barkov  
pjcas18 : 6/12/2024 10:33 pm : link
skating, could play tomorrow.
We're back  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2024 7:38 am : link
after a too long layoff for game 3 in EDM.

A must-win if there ever was one.

Nurse expected to play. If he was ever a NYR Anakim would be dead of an aneurysm. Gets paid more than Trouba and is half the player.

I don't know if Nurse playing is a good thing or not, but with as physical as Florida F's are, they need 6 D. Nurse and Ceci are getting destroyed though and I'm not sure they're even playing the "hard minutes".

But...the real story is EDM power play. They're drawing penalties, just not scoring, if that doesn't change this series is over, and it might be already.

......  
Route 9 : 6/13/2024 1:08 pm : link
Edmonton has to win tonight, any ideas on how to beat that arresting Florida forecheck, pjcas18 and friends?

Anything?
RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2024 1:15 pm : link
In comment 16536139 Route 9 said:
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Edmonton has to win tonight, any ideas on how to beat that arresting Florida forecheck, pjcas18 and friends?

Anything?


FLA is not even dominating zone time. You have PTSD from the Rangers series. EDM leads in CF%.

EDM leads in expected goals for, EDM leads in scoring chances, EDM leads in high danger chances, this is not the Rangers Panthers series where Igor kept it close. This is closer to the reverse but where FLA has Igor in net.

EDM is shooting less than 2%.

They have to score on the PP, hate to say it because it's goonish, but I'd even have Corey Perry dress for the sole purpose to get in Bobrovsky's jersey and be a little physical in there. Get him off his game - and if you think for a second NHL players don't do this you're crazy.

Anyway, EDM is competitive everywhere in this series, except where it matters....on the scoreboard.

So, my baby step that would make a difference is the PP. if EDM was 25% on the PP this series is split.
SJS  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2024 3:17 pm : link
name Ryan Warsofsky HC.

ex-Sacred Heart and Curry College player

probably good to have a young coach for Celebrini, etc.
Sounds like  
pjcas18 : 6/13/2024 5:57 pm : link
Barkov is playing, but Evander Kane may not be.

He has a sports hernia and has been a complete zero in this series, so might be addition by subtraction but fans like to think sometimes players are plug n play. Like all the whining about why didn't the Rangers play Zac Jones? Not saying coaches are always right, but it's clear the coaches play the players who they feel give them the best chance to win. And so far for the Oilers it's been a less than 100% Evander Kane over all other options.

I read they may even just opt to go 11 forwards and 7 D because of the Nurse injury and personnel on D.

I would do that and alternate McDavid and Draisaitl on the 3rd line.
......  
Route 9 : 6/13/2024 8:39 pm : link
What's with the weird camera angles?
Edmonton better get cooking here because  
Route 9 : 6/13/2024 8:41 pm : link
My GOD, this is a boring SCF to watch
......  
Route 9 : 6/13/2024 8:56 pm : link
What a save by Bob
......  
Route 9 : 6/13/2024 9:02 pm : link
Wrong jersey, lady
Edmonton is snake bitten...  
rnargi : 6/13/2024 9:06 pm : link
FL is a defensive machine.
Barkov is a monster on the ice  
Rick in Dallas : 6/13/2024 9:14 pm : link
He makes so many great plays that honestly just normal for him.
Nice to see the Oilers finally do something  
NYerInMA : 6/13/2024 9:34 pm : link
After watching the Rangers do nothing against the Panthers for 6 games and then the Oilers repeating the trick for two more, I hope they can actually make this a series.
This series so far is 100% about the quality of the netminders  
rnargi : 6/13/2024 9:45 pm : link
And FL has the massive advantage.
Nurse has to be inactive next game  
JT039 : 6/13/2024 9:47 pm : link
He’s a detriment.
RE: Nurse has to be inactive next game  
rnargi : 6/13/2024 9:52 pm : link
In comment 16536659 JT039 said:
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He’s a detriment.


Does it matter? This series is over.
Maybe just maybe Panthers are the better team  
Rick in Dallas : 6/13/2024 9:55 pm : link
….
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Route 9 : 6/13/2024 9:55 pm : link
This series was the most boring lump of shit I've ever seen in my life. It's like Rangers/Panthers was Dallas vs San Francisco in the 90s and this is 49ers vs Chargers.
RE: Maybe just maybe Panthers are the better team  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2024 7:59 am : link
In comment 16536667 Rick in Dallas said:
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they are up 3-0 so it's hard to argue anything otherwise, however, if you believe in analytics, the Panthers only "deserved" to win game 2.

They base this factor om multiple things like scoring chances, expected goals, etc. and game 1 EDM won 90% of the time, and game 3 they won over 60% of the time with those metrics over 1,000 game simulations each.

The lost game 2 by a wide margin, but what this means is they are outplaying FLA (in game 1 and 3 at least) but still losing.

As many have pointed to the goalie is the difference.

Does that mean FLA is better? Sure in superficial terms and analysis - a goalie is part of the team, but the data says it's unusual for FLA to win games 1 and 3 when the teams play how they did.

In the end it means nothing, one team hoists Lord Stanley, the other cries and spends all summer wondering where it went wrong and they are not comforted by Moneypuck.com's deserve-o-meter suggesting they should have had a different outcome, but it also doesn't change those details.
I’m shocked Edmonton made it to the finals  
5BowlsSoon : 6/14/2024 8:07 am : link
Usually teams with mediocre goaltending don’t make it in. Florida deserves to win.
pj  
Rick in Dallas : 6/14/2024 8:12 am : link
Big difference is obvious in goal for sure with Bobrovsky and also Panthers PK unit.
Analytics are great for stat geeks but I believe the better and deeper team is the Panthers.Wins is the greatest stat imv.
I also feel the Panthers took their foot off the pedal a bit in the third period with the respect to their checking game and the Oilers responded accordingly.
A good learning moment for the Panthers.
Rick no argument from me  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2024 8:23 am : link
my point is more that Bobrovsky is "stealing a series" and basically stealing a cup.

people wondered, how will the Oilers handle the Panthers ferocious forecheck. They haven't been great at it, especially Nurse and Ekholkm who are struggling with it, but that's hasn't been a problem overall. They can't solve Bobrovsky and that is the story in the series. The PP is the epitome of why they will lose.

As for the FLA PK and this is true of the Rangers series as well, there is a saying, you need your goalie to be your best penalty killer and I 100% think that's what we're seeing here.

FLA PK was good in the regular season, but not this good. Bobrovsky is just playing at another level right now. I once thought I'd never see a goalie outplay Tim Thomas in the playoffs when the Bruins won in 2011 (no offense Dominik Hasek who did it repeatedly but not in this century). Granted Bobrovsky isn't as un-orthodox and acrobatic with highlight reel saves as Thomas was, but he's almost as effective.
Pjcas18  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 1:19 pm : link
From my eyeball this series does seem lopsided and just boring. I'm actually thoroughly disappointed. It just seems like one of those series that I haven't been on the edge of my seat, not even once this entire time, other than I guess some nice saves by Bob.

This is has Steelers vs Seahawks Super Bowl vibes to it. Two teams I have no interest and no animosity towards, but at least you could get entertained by that Rams/Titans Super Bowl in 1999-2000.

I think if this were a best of 8 and they kept playing, it might be 8-0 or 7-1 Florida.

I thought Edmonton was way better than they were, but to me they just look like one of those teams should just be happy they got to the SCF.
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 1:21 pm : link
Also, what about Quicks run in 2012?
Quick's  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2024 1:39 pm : link
2012 was legendary. He was incredible in terms of save percentage. At one point I think he had the highest save percentage in any playoffs for 2012 either all time or modern era plus his expected goals saved per game was I want to say best ever since they record that stat. He was saving something like over half a goal per game above expected. That is significant.

So, not to take anything away from Quick, his 2012 was incredible, but eye test, I have never seen anything like Tim Thomas the year before. Maybe that's a tribute to Quick. He made it look easy - like how Carey Price played net so sound positionally, calm, in control, Thomas was flailing all over the crease - like Hasek did.
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 4:47 pm : link
Where would you put Hasek all time?
RE: Pjcas18  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2024 4:54 pm : link
In comment 16537032 Route 9 said:
Quote:
I thought Edmonton was way better than they were, but to me they just look like one of those teams should just be happy they got to the SCF.


They aren't playing badly, they're paying the price for not upgrading in goal.

[quote]JFresh
@JFreshHockey
set goalies aside and the Oilers have been competitive, arguably even.

unfortunately for the Oilers, in the sport of hockey you cannot set goalies aside and Stanley cups are not won on deserve to win o meters
12:11 AM · Jun 14, 2024
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Much to the dismay of Devils fans  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2024 4:57 pm : link
I have Roy and Hasek 1 and 1a all time of goalies I saw a lot of, so I omit goalies like Gump Worsley, Jacque Plante, Turk Broda, Terry Sawchuk, even Ken Dryden, Bernie Parent, Tony Esposito, etc. were too much before my time, you needed to be in your prime at the latest in the mid-80's for me to include you.

Brodeur is probably after those 2 for me.

My favorite goalie "moment" of all time other than Jim Craig in Miracle on Ice was the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. Mike Richter may have had the best performance I've seen a goalie have in any format, in any tournament.
I've always said this about Richter  
Greg from LI : 6/14/2024 4:59 pm : link
He was streaky as hell, and he could look bad sometimes. But, when he was on, he was as good as anyone I've ever seen.
I'm not a huge jfresh fan  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2024 5:09 pm : link
but this is a great quote....

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...Stanley cups are not won on deserve to win o meters...


and it highlights my thoughts on this series. first, I don't find it boring at all. Almost every time McDavid touches the puck he's like a jitterbug skimming across water he just looks different than everyone else and I love to watch him play, and it seems like he's playing a ton each game (you can see his frustration but he's playing a ton). And overall this is not as lopsided a series as the 3-0 lead and two 3 goal wins would indicate.

I’m enjoying watch Barkov play in SCF’s  
Rick in Dallas : 6/14/2024 5:25 pm : link
Plays a great 2 way game.
Also Forsling defensively is so sound.
Wish Barkov was a Ranger.
RE: I’m enjoying watch Barkov play in SCF’s  
pjcas18 : 6/14/2024 5:30 pm : link
In comment 16537170 Rick in Dallas said:
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Plays a great 2 way game.
Also Forsling defensively is so sound.
Wish Barkov was a Ranger.


Good call. He's the premier 2-way player in the league now that Bergeron is retired. I think Barkov probably even got cheated out of a Selke or 2 due to the reputation of Bergeron (and Barkov has 2 Selke's).

......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 5:55 pm : link
You guys can do all that silly talk all you want to but they're being outscored 11-4. This will be a sweep and a forgettable series. It's a yawner. The real SCF was Rangers vs Panthers.

Also, Richter would allow some of the worst goals I've ever seen in my life lol like from center ice or way behind it.
RE: RE: Pjcas18  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16537152 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 16537032 Route 9 said:


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I thought Edmonton was way better than they were, but to me they just look like one of those teams should just be happy they got to the SCF.



They aren't playing badly, they're paying the price for not upgrading in goal.

[quote]JFresh
@JFreshHockey
set goalies aside and the Oilers have been competitive, arguably even.

unfortunately for the Oilers, in the sport of hockey you cannot set goalies aside and Stanley cups are not won on deserve to win o meters
12:11 AM · Jun 14, 2024
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I hate to keep crossing swords here but it's like when the Nets got swept by the Lakers in 2002. 3 out of 4 of those games were close. Still a sweep though.

Florida will hoist the cup in game 4 and a standing ovation by the Edmonton fans for a concerted effort.
RE: Much to the dismay of Devils fans  
Stu11 : 6/14/2024 7:02 pm : link
In comment 16537155 pjcas18 said:
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I have Roy and Hasek 1 and 1a all time of goalies I saw a lot of, so I omit goalies like Gump Worsley, Jacque Plante, Turk Broda, Terry Sawchuk, even Ken Dryden, Bernie Parent, Tony Esposito, etc. were too much before my time, you needed to be in your prime at the latest in the mid-80's for me to include you.

Brodeur is probably after those 2 for me.

My favorite goalie "moment" of all time other than Jim Craig in Miracle on Ice was the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. Mike Richter may have had the best performance I've seen a goalie have in any format, in any tournament.

PJ you know how big of a Devils fan I am. The best goalie of my lifetime is Roy and I don't have to think about it much. As random as Playoff OT can be it wasn't with Roy. He played his best hockey during it. At one point he won a record 10 in a row and was 40-18 lifetime. I saw many games where he stood on his head and absolutely refused to let his team lose. Not to mention when he and Brodeur met in the finals he outplayed Marty. After that I don't get as much into ordering them. I'd probably take Marty over Hasek because of his durability and sheer numbers, but I wouldn't fight to the death with someone who puts Hasek ahead of Marty. '94 when Marty was a rookie they went head to head in a great 7 game 1st Rd series. Game 6 went scoreless for like 6 or 7 periods. I didn't think anyone would ever score. It may have been the best goalie battle I've ever seen.
......  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 7:15 pm : link
Jean-Sebastien Giguere in 2003 was ridiculous. That Ducks team didn't have any business getting as far as they did without him.

I felt like every other game that team played went into overtime because he kept them alive somehow. Some of them were like 3 and one of them went 5 vs Dallas.

Glad he wanted all in 2007. He deserved a cup just for that effort alone.
*  
Route 9 : 6/14/2024 7:16 pm : link
Won it all
Game 4 tonight @ 8:00  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2024 7:27 am : link
maybe like in the NBA with DAL in DAL facing elimination and pulling a New Kids, maybe EDM keeps Route 9 in agony watching hockey. I hope they do, no offense Route 9.

Besides that I think the hockey is interesting, I need a couple bad games from Bobrovsky and a couple good ones from Barkov to shift Conn Smythe to Barkov so I win my bet.

As good as Bobrovsky has been, Swayman (with a sterling 13.3 in 12 games) and Shesterkin (13.1 in 16 games) both still lead Bobrovsky (11.5 in 20 games) in goals saved above expected for the playoffs.

I think Bob is the HEAVY favorite for Conn Smythe right now (Captain obvious?), in fact it would probably be unanimous, but if the series extends I do think there is an opening for him to lose it.
Sully  
pjcas18 : 6/15/2024 11:11 am : link
hired Quinn as an assistant in PIT. Good spot for him to try and re-establish himself.
......  
Route 9 : 6/15/2024 2:04 pm : link
Just end it!
Holy shit  
Route 9 : 6/16/2024 5:00 am : link
Nope. 8-1??
exactly the kind of game  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2024 7:07 am : link
I needed.

Now, another clunker from Bobrovsky, who all of a sudden looks very mediocre and an elite effort from Barkov to help seal the cup, who knows maybe I pull out my bet. lol. because that's all that matters.

Meanwhile, if the Oilers sneak a game or two more, and McDavid piles up more points, any shot he's the Conn Smythe from the losing team? It's been a while but it has happened and his point total is historic. The last two times it happened was the aforementioned JSG in 2003 and Hextall in 1987. Only once out of the 5 times it's happened has it been awarded to a non-goalie (Reggie Leach 1976) so it's a longshot.

McDavid already has the 5th highest point total ever in a post-season behind 3 Gretzky's and a Lemieux and the highest post-season point total in over 30 years.

......  
Route 9 : 6/16/2024 7:07 pm : link
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Route 9 : 7:06 pm : link : reply
Wasn't that the case in 93? Gretzky had a shit ton of points in a SCF losing effort and the trophy went to Roy.
RE: ......  
pjcas18 : 6/16/2024 7:21 pm : link
In comment 16537983 Route 9 said:
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Route 9 : 7:06 pm : link : reply
Wasn't that the case in 93? Gretzky had a shit ton of points in a SCF losing effort and the trophy went to Roy.


very similar to this year.

Gretzky had 2 more points that year than McDavid does, but also played 2 more games.

That said, Roy's stats were better than Bobrovsky's are and that Habs team wasn't anywhere close to these Panthers. Loved Damphousse and Muller, but the young guys came up huge in the playoffs (LeClair, Dionne, DiPietro, etc.) and Roy was great. The one game the Habs lost that series was game 1 then they ripped off 4 straight and he stole game 4 - the OT win in LA.

Roy never allowed more than 3 goals in a game that entire playoffs, Bobrovsky has 4 times so far this playoffs.



We are back  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 2:50 pm : link
again, after a too long layoff for travel for game 5. Sure it's a long distance, but with the extra day the players are going to be too fresh, lol, for a grueling playoff series.

8pm in FLA.

In other news...

Pascal Vincent fired as Blue Jackets coach. They have a new GM (Waddell from CAR) hired on 5/28 so no surprise just kind of late in the cycle - some names already scooped up.

......  
Route 9 : 6/18/2024 3:17 pm : link
Is that why they had an extra day? Because it's that far away lol?

I was actually surprised by the score the other night, didn't watch one second of it and didn't think Edmonton had that type of game in them. I think they win tonight.
EDM  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 8:31 pm : link
opens the scoring with a shortie.

It didn't seem like Kulak even got Stenlund, but either way.
......  
Route 9 : 6/18/2024 8:32 pm : link
Holy shit what a SH goal
Bouch  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 9:18 pm : link
bomb on the PP. EDM up 2-0.

not sure if it was tipped.
McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 9:23 pm : link
with the bad angle.

EDM up 3-0, maybe Bob gets the gate.
McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 9:25 pm : link
with his 2nd point of the game.

The worse Bobrovsky plays the more I think McDavid has a shot at Conn Smythe regardless who wins.

Barkov has been awesome, but if Bobrovsky isn't Conn Smythe not sure who on FLA would be. I guess maybe Barkov but McDavid is having a historic post season.
RE: McDavid  
rnargi : 6/18/2024 9:27 pm : link
In comment 16539314 pjcas18 said:
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with his 2nd point of the game.

The worse Bobrovsky plays the more I think McDavid has a shot at Conn Smythe regardless who wins.

Barkov has been awesome, but if Bobrovsky isn't Conn Smythe not sure who on FLA would be. I guess maybe Barkov but McDavid is having a historic post season.


Bob has given up 11 goals so far in the past 3 games. Do they overlook that?
RE: RE: McDavid  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 9:29 pm : link
In comment 16539317 rnargi said:
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In comment 16539314 pjcas18 said:


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with his 2nd point of the game.

The worse Bobrovsky plays the more I think McDavid has a shot at Conn Smythe regardless who wins.

Barkov has been awesome, but if Bobrovsky isn't Conn Smythe not sure who on FLA would be. I guess maybe Barkov but McDavid is having a historic post season.



Bob has given up 11 goals so far in the past 3 games. Do they overlook that?


I hope not. lol. his numbers overall now are not great. Though hard to ignore how awesome he was in the Rangers series and games 1-3 of the finals. But I have bets on Barkov and McDavid for Conn Smythe.
What a feed  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 9:41 pm : link
by McDavid to Perry on the PP.

4-1 EDM.


FLA comes right back E-rod scores 14 seconds later.

4-2 EDM.
lol  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 9:48 pm : link
that is not a penalty on Hyman. He didn't move into the Panthers players way. he doesn't need to move out of it.

And McDavid's PP zone entries are incredible. If you can get a player with that speed to get it in the zone under control and let you set up, it's negates a lot of the PK aggression.

RE: lol  
rnargi : 6/18/2024 9:49 pm : link
In comment 16539334 pjcas18 said:
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that is not a penalty on Hyman. He didn't move into the Panthers players way. he doesn't need to move out of it.

And McDavid's PP zone entries are incredible. If you can get a player with that speed to get it in the zone under control and let you set up, it's negates a lot of the PK aggression.


Yep...bad call.
I think EDM  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 10:35 pm : link
got away with a too many men there.
wasn't too bad I guess  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 10:40 pm : link
huge PP here for EDM
What a fantastic game  
JT039 : 6/18/2024 10:46 pm : link
FLA  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 10:46 pm : link
net empty.

2 and a half left.

1 goal game.

As fans we deserve an OT.
RE: FLA  
rnargi : 6/18/2024 10:47 pm : link
In comment 16539378 pjcas18 said:
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net empty.

2 and a half left.

1 goal game.

As fans we deserve an OT.


Lol, no...just end it and guarantee a game 6
Holy cow what a sequence  
rnargi : 6/18/2024 10:54 pm : link
...game 6 on tap!
Go Oilers!  
NYerInMA : 6/18/2024 10:54 pm : link
.
That save by Tkachuk  
JT039 : 6/18/2024 10:55 pm : link
Was something special.
RE: That save by Tkachuk  
rnargi : 6/18/2024 10:56 pm : link
In comment 16539391 JT039 said:
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Was something special.


Unbelievable effort.
I think  
pjcas18 : 6/18/2024 11:09 pm : link
McDavid might be Conn Smythe favorite at this point.

If this goes 7 he can pass Gretzky
Please let the Panthers blow this series  
Greg from LI : 6/18/2024 11:09 pm : link
That would be so unbelievably sweet
RE: RE: That save by Tkachuk  
Stu11 : 6/18/2024 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16539393 rnargi said:
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In comment 16539391 JT039 said:


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Was something special.



Unbelievable effort.

In over 45 years of watching hockey that may have been the most impressive effort play I've ever seen
Real time  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 7:46 am : link
I thought there was no way Tkachuk actually kept that out, and then once McDavid scored who was going to challenge it.

but on replay he definitely did. Like a Don Beebe play.
Also  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 7:53 am : link
unless he shows up with a game 6 or 7 stunner Bobrovsky played himself out of Conn Smythe. He had what looked to be an insurmountable lead after game 3. but now McDavid is favored (-150) followed by Barkov (+190) followed by Bobrovsky (+550).

odds fluctuate but those are close to what I'm seeing for the sites who have updated their odds after last night.
Unnoticed with the SC commotion  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 9:50 am : link
Vancouver Canucks
@Canucks
General Manager Patrik Allvin announces that the #Canucks have agreed to terms with defenceman Filip Hronek on an 8-year contract with a $7.25M AAV
We’ve got ourselves a SCF series now  
Rick in Dallas : 6/19/2024 10:39 am : link
Bobrovsky looks human right now.
Oilers speed on the ice very noticeable now
Panthers forecheck not as dominant as first few games.
McDavid playing like a superstar. Special teams favor Oilers.
This is fun!!!
......  
Route 9 : 6/19/2024 10:41 am : link
My GOD, Mcdavid is a BEAST
Another two  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 10:47 am : link
travel days for a flight most of the non-pampered public makes and does their business the next day.

Friday night game 6 and Monday night game 7 if needed.

Flames trade G Jacob Markstrom to the Devils  
Anakim : 6/19/2024 12:04 pm : link
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Jay on the Island  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 12:08 pm : link
called this a couple days ago.
RE: Flames trade G Jacob Markstrom to the Devils  
Stu11 : 6/19/2024 12:09 pm : link
In comment 16539619 Anakim said:
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Jay you're our first official hockey asshat!
RE: RE: Flames trade G Jacob Markstrom to the Devils  
Anakim : 6/19/2024 12:12 pm : link
In comment 16539626 Stu11 said:
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In comment 16539619 Anakim said:


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Jay you're our first official hockey asshat!



No, SethfromAstoria was...wonder what happened to him.
Btw I know it's not on ice related but awful job by the Devils here  
Stu11 : 6/19/2024 12:17 pm : link
They're not bringing back Erika Wachter who does the pre/post and between period stuff. She wasn't hugely knowledgeable on the hockey end when she started 6 years ago but really became a student of the game and did a really good job. She's gonna be missed. MSG network sucks. I think she has a bright future in the business.
Link - ( New Window )
Kevin Bahl and a 2025 first round pick going to Calgary  
Anakim : 6/19/2024 12:20 pm : link
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RE: Kevin Bahl and a 2025 first round pick going to Calgary  
Stu11 : 6/19/2024 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16539636 Anakim said:
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The pick is top 10 protected and Calgary is retaining salary. Not killing the trade at all, and Ball is no Norris candidate, but on a team and defense so lacking in size and physicality I don't think I would have dealt one of our few sources of it. I'd have pushed Siegenthaler instead but maybe they tried and Calgary wanted the size.
I wonder if there is a site  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 12:45 pm : link
that has the likelihood of Tkachuk making this play.

RE: Another two  
LauderdaleMatty : 6/19/2024 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16539574 pjcas18 said:
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travel days for a flight most of the non-pampered public makes and does their business the next day.

Friday night game 6 and Monday night game 7 if needed.


10 hour flight. My buddy who played for Florida(now their VP or sales) says it’s a horrible flight. These guys are the least pampered and most approachable of any major sport by far
RE: RE: Another two  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16539682 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 16539574 pjcas18 said:


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travel days for a flight most of the non-pampered public makes and does their business the next day.

Friday night game 6 and Monday night game 7 if needed.




10 hour flight. My buddy who played for Florida(now their VP or sales) says it’s a horrible flight. These guys are the least pampered and most approachable of any major sport by far


That's why you have a full travel day.

BOS vs VAN didn't need an extra day for travel.

it's 2500 miles from Boston to Vancouer which is only slightly less than Miami to Edmonton.

it's the same flight time from what I know.
Pierre-Luc Dubois to Washington for Darcy Kuemper  
Anakim : 6/19/2024 3:14 pm : link
Wow, busy day
lol  
pjcas18 : 6/19/2024 3:35 pm : link
MTL dodged a bullet with PLD. It seemed fait accompli him going to the Habs, but I'm glad Gorton/Hughes balked at the asking price.

Not sure how Blake survives that.

They had to move him before his NMC triggers in after the draft. Rumors were he was going to be bought out.

Finally  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 7:48 am : link
after a mini vacation, we resume the SCFs with game 6 in EDM @ 8pm.

I'm just hoping for good hockey, but obviously would LOVE a game 7. Game 7's for the cup are just next level intensity.

crowd will be great tonight. FLA needs to score first and quiet them. EDM needs to prevent that. lol.
Crazy that hockey is still going on  
Metnut : 6/21/2024 9:37 am : link
Draft and 4th of July are right around the corner. NHL should consider reworking the calendar to end a little bit earlier rather than in summer?

Def going to keep an eye on the game. Rooting for Game 7.
Florida needs to show some discipline  
Rick in Dallas : 6/21/2024 9:38 am : link
And stay out of the penalty box
Also Bobrovsky needs to regain his Mojo
Oilers have the momentum for sure
Game 7 would be awesome
I so want to be able to laugh at Florida forever  
Greg from LI : 6/21/2024 9:40 am : link
for blowing a 3-0 series lead, dirty ass team that they are
RE: I so want to be able to laugh at Florida forever  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16540630 Greg from LI said:
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for blowing a 3-0 series lead, dirty ass team that they are


Yep, go Oilers!
RE: Crazy that hockey is still going on  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2024 10:12 am : link
In comment 16540625 Metnut said:
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Draft and 4th of July are right around the corner. NHL should consider reworking the calendar to end a little bit earlier rather than in summer?

Def going to keep an eye on the game. Rooting for Game 7.


Will never happen, but the regular season should be 72 games. End the playoffs in May or first week of June.
Shaving 10  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 10:28 am : link
games or around 12.5% off the season would cost money to the owners, front offices and players.

Now, I'm not saying everyone is greedy, but do you think if you give those groups the choice of playing a reasonable season and ending at a reasonable time and giving back 12.5% of your compensation or leave it as is, what do you think they will do?

If you left the money the same you may get some traction, but why would you leave the money the same?
The sweet spot for the schedule  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2024 10:37 am : link
would be 76 games now that there's 32 teams. That would allow each team to have:

- 4 games against each divisional opponent
- 2 games against each conference non-divisional opponent
- 2 games against each non-conference opponent

The next sweet spot would be to add 1 game against each non-divisional conference opponent to the current schedule, and that would take the season to 84 games.
That's why it would never happen, lol.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/21/2024 10:43 am : link
No one ever wants to give up money.
Come on guys...  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 10:54 am : link
16 of 32 teams make the playoffs. It's clear that the playoffs are a different animal and played completely different than the regular season. The regular season means absolutely nothing. It's just to pass time, put butts in seats, and make money. It's way too long and unnecessary when you have a 50/50 chance of getting in to the dance.

The playoffs. Four series which could allow for a team to play up to 28 games. That's more than a THIRD of the regular season. Absurd. First round should be best of 3, second round best of 5, then 7 for the last two rounds.

One vote for leaving it exactly as is  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/21/2024 11:38 am : link
.
......  
Route 9 : 6/21/2024 12:30 pm : link
I actually wish hockey started later and ended later. Bridge the gap between hockey ending and football starting. Start the NHL in December, maybe January when football is just about winding down.

As much as the lockdowns sucked, having all of those sports going on during the boring months of summer months at the same time was a great payoff.
......  
Route 9 : 6/21/2024 12:32 pm : link
I think in 2013 maybe, the cup ended in late June maybe way too close to July?
I like the 4 rounds of 7  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2024 12:56 pm : link
I think the MLB playoffs are too quick, honestly. With a best of 7 you really know which team is better.
RE: I like the 4 rounds of 7  
JohnF : 6/21/2024 3:55 pm : link
In comment 16540762 NYerInMA said:
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I think the MLB playoffs are too quick, honestly. With a best of 7 you really know which team is better.


LOL, so under that arrangement who is the first "Mr. Thanksgiving" ??
RE: I so want to be able to laugh at Florida forever  
Route 9 : 6/21/2024 4:42 pm : link
In comment 16540630 Greg from LI said:
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for blowing a 3-0 series lead, dirty ass team that they are


I have a sneaking suspicion that Edmonton is going to pull this off. I have no idea why. that's why it's a sneaking suspicion.

I hope I'm right. The Oilers seem way more relaxed and the Panthers just don't look right.
I think Florida has been playing tight games all playoff  
Stu11 : 6/21/2024 5:09 pm : link
They haven't been especially great at finishing so they're playing with fire. Sooner or later you risk not getting that decisive goal in the 3rd period like they seem to always do.
RE: RE: I so want to be able to laugh at Florida forever  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 6:41 pm : link
In comment 16540904 Route 9 said:
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In comment 16540630 Greg from LI said:


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for blowing a 3-0 series lead, dirty ass team that they are



I have a sneaking suspicion that Edmonton is going to pull this off. I have no idea why. that's why it's a sneaking suspicion.

I hope I'm right. The Oilers seem way more relaxed and the Panthers just don't look right.


I feel the same. They've resorted to their undisciplined ways. I feel they'll tighten up quit a bit tonight butvI think Edmonton will win a close one. All bets will be off for game 7, a true tossup with the edge going to whoever scores first. Sticks will be held a lot tighter by whoever goes down early. Pressure is a great discriminator
FLA  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 6:48 pm : link
had not been playing as well as fans on here thought all playoffs. The big difference was Bobrovsky. He had a stretch where he was great.

The Panthers style of play is conducive to giving up odd-man rushes and they take a lot of penalties (if you push them even a little). So if Bobrovsky isn't great and...teams start capitalizing on the PP it changes everything.

That said, Bobrovsky can still turn it around and on the other side the Oilers don't exactly have Igor in net, so even if Bob is just Ok, FLA still could win a 6-5 game.

I do think they (FLA) still have the edge, but EDM winning the cup now should surprise no one.
EDM  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 8:35 pm : link
does what they need to and score 1st. What a pass by Draisaitl.
RE: EDM  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16541012 pjcas18 said:
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does what they need to and score 1st. What a pass by Draisaitl.


Perfect
McDavid JUST missed..  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 8:37 pm : link
...
Ticky tak call.  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 8:38 pm : link
...
Draisaitl  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 8:50 pm : link
with the cross ice tape to tape backhand pass. lol.

and draws the penalty.

big test early for FLA on the ensuing PP.
2 shots for FL in first...  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:01 pm : link
..wow...
RE: Draisaitl  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:02 pm : link
In comment 16541018 pjcas18 said:
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with the cross ice tape to tape backhand pass. lol.

and draws the penalty.

big test early for FLA on the ensuing PP.


That was also a soft call. They're keeping it honest
BOOOM!  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:18 pm : link
2-0!
Wow! 10 seconds later and FL responds  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:19 pm : link
2-1
Oh boy a challenge!  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:20 pm : link
!
Wow...so close! Overturned  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:24 pm : link
Still 2-0
Terrible unforced turnover  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 9:42 pm : link
Leads to a FL PP...
Hyman  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 9:57 pm : link
off the blocked shot. 3-0.
Dare I say...  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 10:01 pm : link
Game 7 on tap!
Barkov  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 10:22 pm : link
is so good, makes it look easy.

If anyone can blow a 3-goal lead it's Skinner.
RE: Barkov  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 10:25 pm : link
In comment 16541045 pjcas18 said:
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is so good, makes it look easy.

If anyone can blow a 3-goal lead it's Skinner.


That looked TOO easy
RE: RE: Barkov  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 10:39 pm : link
In comment 16541047 rnargi said:
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In comment 16541045 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


is so good, makes it look easy.

If anyone can blow a 3-goal lead it's Skinner.



That looked TOO easy


Now FLA back to the box, and EDM to the PP up 2. 8:30 left.

FL undisciplined play bites them here  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 10:40 pm : link
What a bad time to take that penalty.
game  
pjcas18 : 6/21/2024 10:50 pm : link
7.
RE: game  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16541054 pjcas18 said:
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7.


Woo hoo!
RE: RE: I like the 4 rounds of 7  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2024 10:51 pm : link
In comment 16540879 JohnF said:
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In comment 16540762 NYerInMA said:


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I think the MLB playoffs are too quick, honestly. With a best of 7 you really know which team is better.



LOL, so under that arrangement who is the first "Mr. Thanksgiving" ??


I'd shorten the regular season so the playoffs started in September.
EDM has come all the way back  
NYerInMA : 6/21/2024 10:51 pm : link
Hopefully they can finish it off on Monday.
RE: EDM has come all the way back  
rnargi : 6/21/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16541057 NYerInMA said:
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Hopefully they can finish it off on Monday.


And so can FL. Game 7 in the SCF. Nothing better
first time since 1945  
RasputinPrime : 6/21/2024 11:34 pm : link
that a team has forced game 7 after dropping first three.

Let's go Oil!
Unbelievable  
Route 9 : 6/22/2024 12:01 am : link
Holy shit. We have a game 7.
SCF Game 7  
Rick in Dallas : 6/22/2024 12:05 am : link
Nothing better!!!
Oilers have the momentum for sure
Their PK has been outstanding
Plus 5v5 edge to Oilers also
Bobrovsky is going to have to stand on his head imv for Panthers to win.
You don't need a world glass goalie  
Gforce11 : 6/22/2024 12:30 am : link
Just need the guy to make timely saves when it matters. Game 7 is going to insane!
Rutger McGroarty's name is being tossed around as he may not  
Anakim : 6/22/2024 10:16 am : link
sign with Winnipeg.


Gotta think Drury will be interested
RE: RE: ......  
BrettNYG10 : 6/22/2024 10:51 am : link
In comment 16534850 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 16534761 Route 9 said:


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I think the last sweep in the NHL finals was the Red Wings? 1998?



Correct.

I think FL sweeps.


You absolute fool.
I hope not but  
Route 9 : 6/22/2024 4:09 pm : link
Game 7 will be a boring blow out, and after that pjcas18 will have to call me Mr. Route 9 for a week.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/22/2024 6:41 pm : link
Pulling hard for the Oilers.
What's with all these extra days off this series?  
NYerInMA : 6/23/2024 9:35 am : link
I hate it when the league drags a series out like this.
RE: What's with all these extra days off this series?  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2024 10:31 am : link
In comment 16541395 NYerInMA said:
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I hate it when the league drags a series out like this.


Same. I have mentioned this several times, I hate it too, it kills the flow IMO.

but on the plus side once the SC finals wrap up, just three more days until the draft.

Briere  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2024 12:09 pm : link
doing some work. Most of the expectations were PHI was taking a big gamble and Michkov wouldn't debut for years. All the teams who passed on him (besides CHI) may look foolish if he can deliver.

Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
Can confirm from a team source the @ADiMarco25
report, that Matvei Michkov is leaving SKA and plans on joining the Flyers.
11:48 AM · Jun 23, 2024
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RE: Briere  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2024 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16541448 pjcas18 said:
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doing some work. Most of the expectations were PHI was taking a big gamble and Michkov wouldn't debut for years. All the teams who passed on him (besides CHI) may look foolish if he can deliver.

Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
Can confirm from a team source the @ADiMarco25
report, that Matvei Michkov is leaving SKA and plans on joining the Flyers.
11:48 AM · Jun 23, 2024
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Montreal was dumb as shit for not taking him.
RE: RE: Briere  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16541468 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 16541448 pjcas18 said:


Quote:


doing some work. Most of the expectations were PHI was taking a big gamble and Michkov wouldn't debut for years. All the teams who passed on him (besides CHI) may look foolish if he can deliver.

Kevin Kurz
@KKurzNHL
Can confirm from a team source the @ADiMarco25
report, that Matvei Michkov is leaving SKA and plans on joining the Flyers.
11:48 AM · Jun 23, 2024
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Montreal was dumb as shit for not taking him.


Yeah. Even if he doesn't pan out, not exactly like they were in win-now mode and couldn't wait a couple years.
......  
Route 9 : 6/23/2024 2:53 pm : link
Who cares? Summer sucks. Well, this year will not matter lol no anticipation for the Giants, who will be absolute garbage.
5 of the greatest words in sports:  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 12:38 pm : link
STANLEY CUP FINALS GAME SEVEN
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2024 12:39 pm : link
I predict handshakes.
RE: .....  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 12:45 pm : link
In comment 16541866 BrettNYG10 said:
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I predict handshakes.

If you get good odds you should bet on that.

Of course I'm traveling for work. not a huge deal, it's on ABC and I'm sure the hotel bar will have the game, but would be better to watch in the comfort of my home.,
I always watch the finals but with little anticipation or excitement  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 2:16 pm : link
This series has captivated me. We've seen both teams at their very best. It all comes down to who's adjustment works our tonight. Bob is the wild card. If he has one of those nights, where he's seemingly got plexiglass behind him, then edge to FL. I have a feeling tonight might be one of those nights. EDM must keep it close.
obviously in a big game the first goal is huge  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 2:18 pm : link
tonight it is huuuuuuge though.
......  
Route 9 : 6/24/2024 3:22 pm : link
Edmonton wins 5-0
RE: Much to the dismay of Devils fans  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2024 4:12 pm : link
In comment 16537155 pjcas18 said:
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I have Roy and Hasek 1 and 1a all time of goalies I saw a lot of, so I omit goalies like Gump Worsley, Jacque Plante, Turk Broda, Terry Sawchuk, even Ken Dryden, Bernie Parent, Tony Esposito, etc. were too much before my time, you needed to be in your prime at the latest in the mid-80's for me to include you.
Brodeur is probably after those 2 for me.
My favorite goalie "moment" of all time other than Jim Craig in Miracle on Ice was the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. Mike Richter may have had the best performance I've seen a goalie have in any format, in any tournament.

I was away early in this SCF (nice post by rnargi having expunged more or less ECF) and saw this.
The evolution of the position in the NHL fascinates me. Of the keepers pj eliminates as before his time Dryden, followed by Parent and Esposito (relatively smaller in stature--Dryden was a complete outlier in his time, now he'd be 'normal' with the Bobs, Hellebucyks, etc. Athletic behemoths who can occlude much of the 6'x 4' just by squatting in their pads. (An aside, I was at the Rangers-Leafs SCP game in '71 when, after a scrum, Vic Hadfield picked up Parent's mask and flew it over the glass into the stands and the fans wouldn't throw it back; by the time his backup mask was brought from the dressing room they had, iirc.)
The others pj mentions in his disqualify category were physical specimens apart: Gump (whom I saw play a bunch, was a smallish, rolly polly teddy bear, with a modicum of athleticism), Plante was slender, maybe an avg. male of his time, Broda (remember him the least, sorta same), and Sawchuk was prolly the biggest, but nothing like today's netminders. Roy definitely fit within the quick, slender, lithe snakes with his arms. Hasek and Brodeur, hardly chunky iron men, born to their HOF breed.

That's why Igor, today, is such an outlier, because he harkens back to the quick, smallish, darting keeper, a vanishing breed. Quick may not be much bigger than Esposito. I haven't looked up any of these GK's heights/weights, all from memory.

Keeper of a flame for underdogs and throwbacks in time, I hope that Bob doesn't have it tonight.
Go Oilers!
As a Ranger fan back in the 60’s and early 70’s  
Rick in Dallas : 6/24/2024 5:21 pm : link
Eddie Giacomin was my fav goalie,
I loved watching him play in person and on TV.
Another smallish goalie probably less than 6’


I think Oilers have a huge advantage tonight in game 7.
EDM is favored  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 6:01 pm : link
but it's practically a pick 'em.

It's f-ing game 7 and it's hockey - no one is favored or has an advantage IMO. That said, pick 1 goalie on either team for this game and it's still Bobrovsky for me despite the shit show the last 3 games have been.

I'm just rooting for a non-blowout and OT.

Heroes are made in game 7's.

Also though I bet EDM to win the cup and McDavid and Barkov for Conn Smythe - so rooting for two of those to happen too, lol.

RE: I always watch the finals but with little anticipation or excitement  
HBart : 6/24/2024 6:09 pm : link
In comment 16541933 rnargi said:
Quote:
This series has captivated me. We've seen both teams at their very best. It all comes down to who's adjustment works our tonight. Bob is the wild card. If he has one of those nights, where he's seemingly got plexiglass behind him, then edge to FL. I have a feeling tonight might be one of those nights. EDM must keep it close.

Agreed. I rarely watch if the Rangers are out, but this is a great series -- expecting a really entertaining game tonight.

If EDM manages a lead it's going to be torture for FL fans.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 6:58 pm : link
I'm no Mr. NHL, but I'll be glued into tonight. I so want the Oilers to win. It'd be cool if Edmonton can comeback from a 3-0 deficit & McDavid is-I believe?-a generational talent & I'd like for him to win it all. One thing I did learn from this postseason is that there's a Sunshine, Florida...Haha. I had never even heard of that place until the postseason began & Googled where the Panthers play & that they're a suburb of Miami.
RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16542063 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
I'm no Mr. NHL, but I'll be glued into tonight. I so want the Oilers to win. It'd be cool if Edmonton can comeback from a 3-0 deficit & McDavid is-I believe?-a generational talent & I'd like for him to win it all. One thing I did learn from this postseason is that there's a Sunshine, Florida...Haha. I had never even heard of that place until the postseason began & Googled where the Panthers play & that they're a suburb of Miami.


Sunrise
pjcas.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/24/2024 7:01 pm : link
My bad, Haha.
RE: pjcas.  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 7:04 pm : link
In comment 16542070 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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My bad, Haha.


well that's how I learned it existed too, lol (because the Panthers arena is there)
RE: EDM is favored  
Rob in Rockaway : 6/24/2024 7:45 pm : link
In comment 16542033 pjcas18 said:
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but it's practically a pick 'em.

It's f-ing game 7 and it's hockey - no one is favored or has an advantage IMO. That said, pick 1 goalie on either team for this game and it's still Bobrovsky for me despite the shit show the last 3 games have been.

I'm just rooting for a non-blowout and OT.

Heroes are made in game 7's.

Also though I bet EDM to win the cup and McDavid and Barkov for Conn Smythe - so rooting for two of those to happen too, lol.


The afternoon guys on NHL Network think McDavid has the Conn Smythe locked up regardless of outcome tonight.
born in Edmonton  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2024 8:00 pm : link
was around the OG boys as a kid. On the ice with my dad when they won their first cup. Dad passed soon after.

I'm a dad with a 6 year old that is giddy for hockey.

I can't wait for the puck to drop.

Game 7. Let's Go!
RE: born in Edmonton  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 8:07 pm : link
In comment 16542105 RasputinPrime said:
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was around the OG boys as a kid. On the ice with my dad when they won their first cup. Dad passed soon after.

I'm a dad with a 6 year old that is giddy for hockey.

I can't wait for the puck to drop.

Game 7. Let's Go!


Good luck, bud.
Good luck, RP!  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2024 8:13 pm : link
.
FLA  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 8:34 pm : link
D - live by the forecheck die by the forecheck.

NYR and BOS couldn't make them pay.

tie game, great pace.
What a start.  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 8:37 pm : link
...
Skinner  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2024 8:57 pm : link
does not seem to be seeing, picking up the puck well
Good period for Panthers  
Rick in Dallas : 6/24/2024 9:00 pm : link
Playing their game
McDavid quite first period
Ya gotta love SCF game 7 intensity
RE: Good period for Panthers  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:11 pm : link
In comment 16542136 Rick in Dallas said:
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Playing their game
McDavid quite first period
Ya gotta love SCF game 7 intensity


Agreed. Quickly established physicality which led to their forcheck being effective in a sustained manner for the first time since early in game 3. Edm has to find a way to break it, either by being more aggressive off the boards and out of the corners or making the forecheckers pay with big hits.
Looks like good Bob has showed up so far  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:27 pm : link
...
Go Oilers!  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2024 9:30 pm : link
It'll be hilarious to see the dirty @$$ Panthers choke and lose the series at home in Game 7 after having been up 3-0. Would be even funnier if they lose in OT, haha.
Here's a link to the game:  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2024 9:37 pm : link
Click below and enjoy 🙂

Stanley Cup Finals - Game 7 - Edmonton Oilers @ Florida Panthers on ABC/ESPN - 8 pm ET start - ( New Window )
RE: born in Edmonton  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2024 9:39 pm : link
In comment 16542105 RasputinPrime said:
Quote:
was around the OG boys as a kid. On the ice with my dad when they won their first cup. Dad passed soon after.

I'm a dad with a 6 year old that is giddy for hockey.

I can't wait for the puck to drop.

Game 7. Let's Go!


It's safe to say all Rangers fans are with you!
Wow  
RCPhoenix : 6/24/2024 9:42 pm : link
That was an incredible 5 minutes of hockey
Backed  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 9:43 pm : link
Right into their goalie. Wtf
RE: Wow  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:43 pm : link
In comment 16542151 RCPhoenix said:
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That was an incredible 5 minutes of hockey


Wow...I knew they were gonna score there. All EDN there and FL pots one.
RE: Backed  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:44 pm : link
In comment 16542153 pjcas18 said:
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Right into their goalie. Wtf


Tired. Long shift?
Drisital has 24 minutes  
JT039 : 6/24/2024 9:44 pm : link
To do something. What a dud this series he has been.
RE: RE: Backed  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16542155 rnargi said:
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In comment 16542153 pjcas18 said:


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Right into their goalie. Wtf



Tired. Long shift?


I think they just misread it.
RE: Drisital has 24 minutes  
RCPhoenix : 6/24/2024 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16542156 JT039 said:
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To do something. What a dud this series he has been.


He has been invisible yet again
RE: Drisital has 24 minutes  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:46 pm : link
In comment 16542156 JT039 said:
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To do something. What a dud this series he has been.


McDavid has also got to get going
RE: RE: RE: Backed  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16542157 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16542155 rnargi said:


Quote:


In comment 16542153 pjcas18 said:


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Right into their goalie. Wtf



Tired. Long shift?


I think they just misread it.


Maybe...but you never let Reinhart skate in like that. That's a read you make every time.
Trust me as a Devils fan I've said this plenty this year  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 9:50 pm : link
That shot just can't go in. Side boards short side? Come on.
RE: Trust me as a Devils fan I've said this plenty this year  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 9:51 pm : link
In comment 16542161 Stu11 said:
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That shot just can't go in. Side boards short side? Come on.


Yep that was on Skinner, no doubt about it
Skinner should have saved it  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 9:59 pm : link
But he was not side boards. He was 8 feet from the net. Both EDM D backed into the crease. For no reason. It wasn’t really even an odd man rush. It was initially kind of a 3 on 2 but EDM back checker got back.

Both D played it like a 2 on 1. Like they didn’t realize each other was out there.
Kulak  
RCPhoenix : 6/24/2024 10:02 pm : link
Badly misplayed that & it cost them
Here we go!  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 10:14 pm : link
1 goal game in the 3rd of game 7 in the SCF
PJ he has to save that  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 10:17 pm : link
Yeah it was a miss communication with the Dmen but they still had him to the outside 10-15 feet Out can't get beat short side with that angle
Wow...  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 10:21 pm : link
Bennett almost with a gift. Huge kill.
EDM  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 10:26 pm : link
not getting in front at all
How the heck dos that stay out  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 10:37 pm : link
Wow
What a game..  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 10:52 pm : link
FL hanging on for dear life
Congratulations FL..  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 10:55 pm : link
Played their game, and as I said earlier, the netminders were the difference. Bob was outstanding.
.....  
BrettNYG10 : 6/24/2024 10:59 pm : link
Congrats to MAB on his Panthers winning, have fun at the Sawgrass Mills mall.

Sorry, RP. Heartbreaking, I feel for you.
Wow the Oilers threw everything but the kitchen sink at them  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 10:59 pm : link
In the 3rd. Give Florida and Bob credit. They didn't yield.
Eff the Panthers.  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2024 11:02 pm : link
Hard luck to McDavid. That dude's amazing.
RE: Wow the Oilers threw everything but the kitchen sink at them  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16542186 Stu11 said:
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In the 3rd. Give Florida and Bob credit. They didn't yield.


I think they threw the kitchen sink, too. What a defensive performance. Defense wins championships, time and again.
RE: RE: Wow the Oilers threw everything but the kitchen sink at them  
Stu11 : 6/24/2024 11:04 pm : link
In comment 16542189 rnargi said:
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In comment 16542186 Stu11 said:


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In the 3rd. Give Florida and Bob credit. They didn't yield.



I think they threw the kitchen sink, too. What a defensive performance. Defense wins championships, time and again.

Yeah PK Subban nailed it with his analysis. They take the center of the ice away. Everything comes from the outside.
SCP have the best looking trophies  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2024 11:07 pm : link
hands down, not close
Congrats #97
Bob doesn't get the Conn Smythe.  
rnargi : 6/24/2024 11:07 pm : link
....congrats McDavid
Fucking Panthers  
NYerInMA : 6/24/2024 11:09 pm : link
The Rangers had better knock them out next year. The Cup-winning goal was weak as shit too. Fucking Skinner.
That was deep  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 11:11 pm : link
Words in the moment from Tkachuk.

Well done and great moment seeing his dad teary eyed and his mom and brother filled with joy.

Hope we see that again in 20 months for the Olympics.
Well we’re on to the draft  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2024 11:16 pm : link
Awards Thursday night. Draft round 1 Friday.
This was the Rangers' year.  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2024 11:18 pm : link
It really hurts to see this effing Florida team prancing around with the SC in their greasy paws. Dirty team. It'll be fun watching them regress next year. Rangers need to get tougher and get a RW for their top line. Yes, I'm salty.
RE: Well we’re on to the draft  
Optimus-NY : 6/24/2024 11:21 pm : link
In comment 16542196 pjcas18 said:
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Awards Thursday night. Draft round 1 Friday.


Quick turnaround for the NBA and NHL, especially for the NHL. Gonna be one last gasp for the Winter sports leagues before the focus shifts away from them until training camp.
Sweet, Messier caked out Walter Tkachuk  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2024 11:23 pm : link
meaning to refer to Matthew's dad Keith.

pj agree your 11:11

Sweet emotion by Maurice, all hail his players
great series  
RasputinPrime : 6/24/2024 11:26 pm : link
great game 7. Oilers could taste history and now this team fades into oblivion.

Sports.
Well said  
ColHowPepper : 6/24/2024 11:32 pm : link
Rasputin. congrats on Oilers' series and season
McDavid deserved Conn Symthe  
Rick in Dallas : 6/25/2024 12:06 am : link
He played outstanding to get Oilers to a game 7
Props to Bobrovsky for an outstanding game
Sucks that a soft goal was the winner
Oilers #29 really disappointed in SCF’s.

Now it’s the offseason to see if Drury can get the Rangers to the SCF’s
RE: This was the Rangers' year.  
NYerInMA : 6/25/2024 8:03 am : link
In comment 16542198 Optimus-NY said:
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It really hurts to see this effing Florida team prancing around with the SC in their greasy paws. Dirty team. It'll be fun watching them regress next year. Rangers need to get tougher and get a RW for their top line. Yes, I'm salty.


Yep, this year hurts far more than any of the Rangers' previous chokejobs, for some reason.
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BrettNYG10 : 6/25/2024 9:17 am : link
I would have voted for Barkov. Bobrovsky was also a good choice.

Here was the voting:

RE: This was the Rangers' year.  
Route 9 : 6/25/2024 11:53 am : link
In comment 16542198 Optimus-NY said:
Quote:
It really hurts to see this effing Florida team prancing around with the SC in their greasy paws. Dirty team. It'll be fun watching them regress next year. Rangers need to get tougher and get a RW for their top line. Yes, I'm salty.


No. It wasn't. They failed just like every other time.
I would just like to note that this outcome is stomach churning  
Greg from LI : 6/25/2024 1:03 pm : link
Fucking franchise was dogshit forever and shouldn't even exist in the first place.
RE: I would just like to note that this outcome is stomach churning  
Route 9 : 6/25/2024 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16542425 Greg from LI said:
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Fucking franchise was dogshit forever and shouldn't even exist in the first place.


Meh. While we have to wait literal decades to see the cup, these undeserving (or whatever) hot area fan bases keep getting it done.

I don't get why everybody is so disappointed and surprised. Did you really expect the likes of Artemi Panarin or Mika to come through for us?

I'll give ya that, seeing Vegas Golden Knights on the cup is kind of stupid lol
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Route 9 : 6/25/2024 1:18 pm : link
I mean that is their first cup in their entire life existence
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