Build the Right Way

Schoen has done a great job of rebuilding the core of this team. As we know the

Thing that separates great teams from the mediocre teams is the ability to draft

And develop players drafted on day two and day three.

I’m looking at guys like

McFadden

Belton

Gray

Flott

Bellinger

Johnson

Philips

A few others Riley, Davidson, Ezeudu. These players to me are truly the difference makers.

Definitely more talent now than there’s been over the last few years.

Need at least one of Neal or JMS to be part of the solution up front though.

But about 90% of his picks in the first 4-5 rounds I’ve liked at the time of the selection. Only ones I didn’t love were Ezeudu and Flott. Was lukewarm on Belton, Phillips & Hyatt. Loved the rest of em (Thibs, Neal, WDR, Banks, JMs, Nabers, Nubin, Gray, Tracy, Johnson

Jones - not GM's pick, sucks against .500+ teams
Nabors - unproven, but tremendous potential
Hyatt - young, has more potential than shown
Robinson - can this talent stay healthy
Thomas - not GM's pick, offensive cornerstone
JMS - total ? if he'll be good
Neal - see JMS
Burns - not building through draft, needs to stop running past QB on rush
Thibodeaux - needs to show up every game
Lawrence - not GM's pick, defensive cornerstone
Okereke- not building through draft, a big play player
Banks - excellent coverage man, and only a rookie
Nubin - unproven, very good potential

There are far too many question marks as to whether that is the core of sustainable winning. More time may tell. If everything clicks, and each player makes the other players around them better, winning could come this year.

On paper, not the field, it certainly looks better than the recent past.

If Schoen can get everybody on board and execute an investment in a new QB then maybe we’ll really have something.

Until then, it’s just a good post.

agree. Despite what some say, I think they're going in the right direction.

A number of those players were not free agents or top two round picks.

Schoen's built the core of the team pretty evenly through Gettleman picks, trades, free agency, and the draft.

If they are decent we'll have a good year

we have no one with any history of NFL production at RB OR TE besides Singletary and Bellinger.

Tracy might be nie, Johnson might be nice, but as of now neither has done anything, nor any of the other RBs or TEs currently on the roster, assuming Waller flakes, which seems likely.

you could make the argument that you need to see more out of all of those guys.

Just continues to have the The Blue Shafes fixated.

Whatever- hope they win. GM and Coach probably aren't getting the job done yaer 3 - we'll still be Dallas and Philly's bitch in which Wash may seem to have a better future.

We'll see.

It'll come down to whether the players are right. We've got 4 proven guys- Thomas, Okereke, Burns and Dex. No one else has put together 2 top level seasons. The potential is there, but let's see this year if it comes together.

Are either free agent acquisitions or players here under gettleman. Joe Schoen just had his 3rd draft. Andrew Thomas had his detractors on here after his 1st year and even some after his 2nd season. Dexter didn't become the player he was until Wink came in and moved him to DT.

The players drafted under Schoen are entering their 3rd, 2nd or rookie year. Thibodeaux will benefit with the addition of Burns. Evan Neal remains to be seen. Wandale Robinson has shown his ability and he will benefit with Nabers and Hyatt stretching defenses.

Last year, Banks more than held his own as a rookie. JMS, while not bad needs to improve and I believe he will.

This year, Nabers looks like he will garner a lot of attention from opposing defenses and that will open up the other wide receivers and running game. Tyler Nubin has potential.

What I see is Joe Schoen focusing on premium positions in the first round of the draft (offensive tackle, wide receiver, cornerback and pass rusher).

In the 2nd round, while some may not be premium positions, he addressed offensive line, safety and wide receiver.

to be solid starters for us, the whole offense will benefit greatly.

than 3 years ago. However, we still have a team with the average age being a top 5 lowest in the league. They have been on the wrong side of the curve when it comes to injuries and need to have a year or two when they have near the lowest to allow development to actually occur.
First time GM in Schoen so hopefully the learning curve there has flattened out and there will be less staff changes.

The presumptive starters on offense:

Jones
Singletary
Nabers*
Slayton
Robinson*
Bellinger*
Thomas
Runyan
JMS*
Eluemunor
Neal*

And defense

Davidson*
Lawrence
Roches
Burns
Thibs*
Okereke
McFadden*
Flott*
Banks*
Pinnock
Nubin*

"More games are lost than won in the NFL". What that means is it isn't always the teams that make the plays, it is the team that makes the fewest mistakes. I agree that his approach to the draft is more than fine. However, having Neal not work out yet as a top 7 picks, giving Jones that horrendous contract, hanging on to Barkley and McKinney too long and not trading them are all big mistakes that have really overshadowed anything he has done well. Long story short, every GM will have misses but you can't miss big like those misses and expect to compete when you are trying to rebuild a team. Successful teams like the Eagles can miss on Wentz with his contract and make up for it with Hurts. This is a very pivotal year.

list under the "building the right way" theme. It is fairly remarkable a QB can play at that level, pile up injury concerns, and still keep a starting job. I have never seen anything like it in my time of watching ANY sport.

I do, however, like the flow of investments into WR, OL and Edge. If Neal begins to play like he at least belongs in the NFL this is clearly a much better roster than the Dave Gettleman years.

Winning still probably gets capped though until an upgrade is found at QB.

I also don't how much the build through the draft purity test holds when the Giants traded the 39th pick and a 4/9.4M contract for the opportunity to sign a veteran player to a 5/141M contract.

FA fell off significantly as well. Just a really bad job by the front office for over a decade.

It took 16 drafts to add another AP OL in AT (Snee 2004) in the draft and 9 years on the DL from JPP to Dex.

First three seasons of TC/EA they added a lot of talent on the OL/Front 7 via both DP/FA. 8 good to great players.

This regime is still behind imv but maybe this is the year they finally leave the great destruction of the Giants LoS phase.

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I also don't how much the build through the draft purity test holds when the Giants traded the 39th pick and a 4/9.4M contract for the opportunity to sign a veteran player to a 5/141M contract.

And they traded Leonard Williams for a 2nd round pick. Plus it wasn't like Burns was some 30+ veteran. He is 26 and drafted the same year as Dexter.

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I also don't how much the build through the draft purity test holds when the Giants traded the 39th pick and a 4/9.4M contract for the opportunity to sign a veteran player to a 5/141M contract. And they traded Leonard Williams for a 2nd round pick. Plus it wasn't like Burns was some 30+ veteran. He is 26 and drafted the same year as Dexter.

I have no idea what any of that has to do with anything.

The opening post is lauding Schoen building through the draft. And arguably the biggest move he made on the defensive side of the ball was trading a top 40 draft pick, to sign a player a from a different team to the 3rd highest defensive contract in league history.

I think it was a great move. I think a team needs to succeed at roster building with every tool at their disposal.

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In comment 16533301 TrueBlue56 said: Quote: I also don't how much the build through the draft purity test holds when the Giants traded the 39th pick and a 4/9.4M contract for the opportunity to sign a veteran player to a 5/141M contract. And they traded Leonard Williams for a 2nd round pick. Plus it wasn't like Burns was some 30+ veteran. He is 26 and drafted the same year as Dexter. I have no idea what any of that has to do with anything. The opening post is lauding Schoen building through the draft. And arguably the biggest move he made on the defensive side of the ball was trading a top 40 draft pick, to sign a player a from a different team to the 3rd highest defensive contract in league history. I think it was a great move. I think a team needs to succeed at roster building with every tool at their disposal.

If Schoen knows what he is doing, (which is highly questionable if 80M-2 year/160M-4 year Jones doesn't step up his game) then Burns contract will likely be restructured over the very long term.

The Giants just can't have Jones, Thomas, Dex and Burns eating up a huge portion of the cap. Between the four of them, they don't put a lot of points on the board.

Lawrence and Thomas are on very good contracts. Relative to their output (assuming they play), they are great values.

Burns and Jones are the financial wildcards. If they underperform their value, the Giants will not contend for a championship.

We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB.

But yea... it's the right way.

Schoen has exhibited some good instincts. He's invested heavily in the pass rush and secondary on defense. On offense he's invested heavily in pass protection and the pass catching positions. Modern football is not a complicated game: throw the ball, stop the pas. Everything else is in service to that.

how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do.

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how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do.

Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way.

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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way.

Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years?

Good to know Producer/Manhattan

credible coach or anyone with even a basic understanding of football understands the game is a lot more than just passing the ball and stopping the pass. Running the ball and stopping run are critical aspects to a teams success. Even more so come the playoffs.

In comment 16533340 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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credible coach or anyone with even a basic understanding of football understands the game is a lot more than just passing the ball and stopping the pass. Running the ball and stopping run are critical aspects to a teams success. Even more so come the playoffs.

Running the ball and passing the ball is in service to the pass game. You know this.

In comment 16533340 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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credible coach or anyone with even a basic understanding of football understands the game is a lot more than just passing the ball and stopping the pass. Running the ball and stopping run are critical aspects to a teams success. Even more so come the playoffs.

Yes. Which is why premium picks should be allocated to Guards, RBs, DTs and Middle LBs.

Basic stuff.

In comment 16533338 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years? Good to know Producer/Manhattan

Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!

does it this way, but they don’t. Look at the above distribution - he’s literally nailed allocation to all the important positions. These guys are the prototypes for their position too.

When he’s backed up the BRINKS truck, it’s been at QB and the trenches. He’s refused to pay Barkley & McK (2 popular players) not at premium positions.

There’s applied logic and you can see what he’s trying to do. I give him credit for that.

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We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way.

We need a guy who is a known producer. I’m looking for someone in Manhattan.

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Yes. Which is why premium picks should be allocated to Guards, RBs, DTs and Middle LBs. Basic stuff.

I was particularly excited with that big contract gave Barkley.

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In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. We need a guy who is a known producer. I’m looking for someone in Manhattan.

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does it this way, but they don’t. Look at the above distribution - he’s literally nailed allocation to all the important positions. These guys are the prototypes for their position too.

No one is debating the allocation of resources. We're just getting a kick out of you connecting that to the draft, and a bunch of the players you called out he didn't draft.

Would be a lot of fun at parties.

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Would be a lot of fun at parties.

And some of you guys have enough names to throw a party without a single invite.

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In comment 16533367 JT039 said: Quote: Would be a lot of fun at parties. And some of you guys have enough names to throw a party without a single invite.

Referring to yourself? Nice.

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In comment 16533367 JT039 said: Quote: Would be a lot of fun at parties. And some of you guys have enough names to throw a party without a single invite.

Or would your party consist of boggle and scrabble games? I am sure you throw kickin parties. Do you require everyone to bring their own dictionaries and thesaurus’s?

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We need a guy who is a known producer. I’m looking for someone in Manhattan.

Your crusade against other BBIers who've been banned and returned under new handles is one of the best subplots cooking on BBI these days. I commend you sir.

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In comment 16533357 JT039 said: Quote: We need a guy who is a known producer. I’m looking for someone in Manhattan. Your crusade against other BBIers who've been banned and returned under new handles is one of the best subplots cooking on BBI these days. I commend you sir.

I didnt call out any BBIers in that post. Just looking to upgrade the team. Lot of good athletes have come from the manhattan area.

On the presumed 53 man roster for Dallas they probably will have 8 players that have played for another organization.

QB Rush, 1 year with NYG
QB Lance, SF
RB Elliott, 1 year with NE
WR Cooks, various
LB Kendricks, Minnesota mainly
S Hooker, Indy
P Anger, LAR
LS Sieg, LV


This is probably not a fair comparison because Dallas probably has the most home grown talent of any roster in the NFL.

to well Googs. The two teams who played in the NFCCG last season have 1st round RB's. Teams all over the league have made huge investments in the positions you listed. Many of them are consistent playoff teams and SB winners.

Way to be on top of things with the basics.

My favorite Giants roster of all time -- the 2011 championship team. Highlighted in yellow are Giants draft picks in rounds one and two.

Great pass rush, great secondary, great pass game.

From a roster construction perspective, I see a little bit of resource allocation similarity.

In comment 16533353 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 16533338 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years? Good to know Producer/Manhattan Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt!

Wrong again l

If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over

Why don’t you just ask Eric

Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are

I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested

You should do the same

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My favorite Giants roster of all time -- the 2011 championship team. Highlighted in yellow are Giants draft picks in rounds one and two. Great pass rush, great secondary, great pass game. From a roster construction perspective, I see a little bit of resource allocation similarity.

The one thing Reese was a master at as a scout and initially as GM was not finding just contributors but really really good players late in the draft. A guy like Gibril Wilson while not a star - helped a lot. Bradshaw, Diehl, Jacobs, Jacquin Williams were all big parts of both SBs.

And of course he hit some major home runs in UDFA and free agency.

While the process is sound, the results are elusive.

I'm not sure the Giants have enough talent to have 5 NFL starters. CB2 and RB2 are huge questions. QB is mediocre at best.

On top of that some of those really young draftees from year 1 and year 2 need to develop - fast.

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does it this way, but they don’t. Look at the above distribution - he’s literally nailed allocation to all the important positions. These guys are the prototypes for their position too. When he’s backed up the BRINKS truck, it’s been at QB and the trenches. He’s refused to pay Barkley & McK (2 popular players) not at premium positions. There’s applied logic and you can see what he’s trying to do. I give him credit for that.

But the results havent been there, so what are you giving him credit for? I like Schoen but if we aren’t finishing at 9+ wins than this was a failure.

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My favorite Giants roster of all time -- the 2011 championship team. Highlighted in yellow are Giants draft picks in rounds one and two. Great pass rush, great secondary, great pass game. From a roster construction perspective, I see a little bit of resource allocation similarity. The one thing Reese was a master at as a scout and initially as GM was not finding just contributors but really really good players late in the draft. A guy like Gibril Wilson while not a star - helped a lot. Bradshaw, Diehl, Jacobs, Jacquin Williams were all big parts of both SBs. And of course he hit some major home runs in UDFA and free agency.

I also think the staff did a great job developing players at all levels. Towards the end of that era, the number of diamonds in the rough dwindled down.

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In comment 16533330 UConn4523 said: Quote: how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do. Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way.

A "Masterclass?" How about we've ben subjetcted to "a Fumbling class?" If we're talking drafts, name one OL he has drafted that has been at least decent?

And when you tell another poster "you know this . . ."-- Well you knwo QB is the most importoant position in the NFL. Please expalin where "the masterclass" has evovled for this position during his tenure?

And a 2nd rd Safety is "Masterclass" drafting?

In comment 16533427 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16533355 mittenedman said: Quote: does it this way, but they don’t. Look at the above distribution - he’s literally nailed allocation to all the important positions. These guys are the prototypes for their position too. When he’s backed up the BRINKS truck, it’s been at QB and the trenches. He’s refused to pay Barkley & McK (2 popular players) not at premium positions. There’s applied logic and you can see what he’s trying to do. I give him credit for that. But the results havent been there, so what are you giving him credit for? I like Schoen but if we aren’t finishing at 9+ wins than this was a failure.

I agree 100% and have been beating that drum for a while. I understand people are bearish on this team due to the last 12 years, but I have high expectations for this roster. If they stay healthy and don't win games, we've got the wrong guy picking the players or coaching the players.

He's got a good Offensive Head Coach who will be calling plays this year. He's got an All Pro LT and a nice WR trio with what looks like an elite WR1. Even if the OL blows, he's got plenty to work with at WR (like Burrow).

Win, or the Giants made a mistake with you. Nobody's reputation survives this team staying healthy and losing.

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how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do. Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way. A "Masterclass?" How about we've ben subjetcted to "a Fumbling class?" If we're talking drafts, name one OL he has drafted that has been at least decent? And when you tell another poster "you know this . . ."-- Well you knwo QB is the most importoant position in the NFL. Please expalin where "the masterclass" has evovled for this position during his tenure? And a 2nd rd Safety is "Masterclass" drafting?

Mumsy never quote did get sarcasm, did she?

In comment 16533442 christian said:

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In comment 16533437 giantstock said: Quote: how else do teams build if it’s not through the draft? Outside of outliers like the Rams, draft picks panning out pretty much determines success. Schoen isn’t doing anything 30 other teams aren’t trying to do. Schoen has drafted players, signed free agents, and traded for players. A masterclass in building the right way. A "Masterclass?" How about we've ben subjetcted to "a Fumbling class?" If we're talking drafts, name one OL he has drafted that has been at least decent? And when you tell another poster "you know this . . ."-- Well you knwo QB is the most importoant position in the NFL. Please expalin where "the masterclass" has evovled for this position during his tenure? And a 2nd rd Safety is "Masterclass" drafting? Mumsy never quote did get sarcasm, did she?

haha glad it was sarcasm. You're an excellent poster.

Hey man, these are weird times. You never know!

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to well Googs. The two teams who played in the NFCCG last season have 1st round RB's. Teams all over the league have made huge investments in the positions you listed. Many of them are consistent playoff teams and SB winners. Way to be on top of things with the basics.

30 carries and a cloud of dust.

Chucklehead…

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In comment 16533399 Lines of Scrimmage said: Chucklehead…

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Recall a few chuckleheads on here remarking after the last draft Jimmy Googs : 12/23/2021 8:53 am : link how that Chicago pick was going to be top 10 and likely top 5. They didn’t make the comment that it would be with both though...

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chuckleheads Jimmy Googs : 12/18/2021 8:43 pm : link blaming Chris Mara!

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Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:34 pm : link was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3?

Here’s a link if you want to read through more

History of chuckleheads plus another ID from 2010! - ( New Window )

.

In comment 16533413 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16533353 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533338 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years? Good to know Producer/Manhattan Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt! Wrong again l If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over Why don’t you just ask Eric Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested You should do the same

The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular.

It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe.

In comment 16533570 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 16533413 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533353 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533338 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years? Good to know Producer/Manhattan Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt! Wrong again l If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over Why don’t you just ask Eric Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested You should do the same The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular. It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe.

Nice spin
I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name

Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric

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Nice spin I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric

Ignore him. Bad day at the boggle tournament.

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In comment 16533555 ThomasG said: Quote: In comment 16533399 Lines of Scrimmage said: Chucklehead… Quote: Recall a few chuckleheads on here remarking after the last draft Jimmy Googs : 12/23/2021 8:53 am : link how that Chicago pick was going to be top 10 and likely top 5. They didn’t make the comment that it would be with both though... Quote: chuckleheads Jimmy Googs : 12/18/2021 8:43 pm : link blaming Chris Mara! Quote: Remember all the chuckleheads that wanted to debate Jones Jimmy Googs : 1/15/2022 11:34 pm : link was going to be good in 2021 because Josh Allen really only became a good QB from his Year 2 to Year 3? Here’s a link if you want to read through more History of chuckleheads plus another ID from 2010! - ( New Window )

lol.

Also nice to see UConn and his massive ego weigh in too. So predictable.

Nighty night!

You were exposed moron. Didn’t know about that first ID though!!

What a schlep you are.

Someone expose themselves as a multiple dupe then backs it up by admitting it saying others take the bait

Let’s finish this off with a “…”

Once a dep, always a dip.

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Once a dep, always a dip.

No I actually caught it.

Thanks for admitting your Googs amongst other IDs. At least for once you admitted it.

Way to represent LBH!!!

Later.

Googs purposely outed himself with his moronic catch phrase that was linked to 3 other usernames now…. Because he wanted to “bait” us to showing everyone how many user names he truly has.

Man, he really got us!! There’s a reason why googs has been banned more than any poster on this site. There’s a reason why he brings absolutely nothing intelligent to this site. There’s a reason why he has more handles than anyone on this site.

If you haven’t figured out why Googs, you are not that bright son. And this just proves it. This I probably one of the funniest things I’ve read now on this site.

We took the “bait” - lol, absolutely hysterical.

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Googs purposely outed himself with his moronic catch phrase that was linked to 3 other usernames now…. Because he wanted to “bait” us to showing everyone how many user names he truly has. Man, he really got us!! There’s a reason why googs has been banned more than any poster on this site. There’s a reason why he brings absolutely nothing intelligent to this site. There’s a reason why he has more handles than anyone on this site. If you haven’t figured out why Googs, you are not that bright son. And this just proves it. This I probably one of the funniest things I’ve read now on this site. We took the “bait” - lol, absolutely hysterical.

All of you are losers who can't manage to stick with one handle, dep. And you in particular are a fucking hypocrite for being right behind Googs in handles used and still acting like you have any right to be calling others out.

In comment 16533583 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16533570 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533413 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533353 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533338 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years? Good to know Producer/Manhattan Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt! Wrong again l If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over Why don’t you just ask Eric Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested You should do the same The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular. It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe. Nice spin I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric

I don't need to ask Eric. You already admitted it, dumbass.

Boggle tournament.

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Boggle tournament.

Is the insinuation that you're cool and I'm not?

I can live with you believing that.

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In comment 16533762 JT039 said: Quote: Boggle tournament. Is the insinuation that you're cool and I'm not? I can live with you believing that.

Not at all. I actually believe you’re highly intelligent and seem like a very competitive person. Can’t get them all the time champ. Better luck next time.

I do not find myself better than any person here.

In comment 16533754 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 16533583 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533570 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533413 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533353 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533338 Mbavaro said: Quote: In comment 16533327 Darwinian said: Quote: We're not rebuilding the right way. Management has been an illogical disaster. And we still have a laughably bad player at QB. But yea... it's the right way. Daboll and Schoen have been here for 7 years? Good to know Producer/Manhattan Finally, I figured it out - welcome back, Britt! Wrong again l If you are so convinced that I am a dupe as you incorrectly obsess over Why don’t you just ask Eric Then you’ll realize whst a total horses ass you are I’ll go beck to ignoring you as Eric requested You should do the same The irony of you getting your diaper in a twist about getting called out in the same thread that you're trying to call out Producer (a handle that existed and was also banned before Mbavaro was ever registered) is pretty spectacular. It doesn't matter who you actually are, you definitely just outed yourself as a dupe. Nice spin I was in here when he was Manhattan and it came to light he was also here under Producer as others started calling out in being here under a different name Easy way to find out if i am a dupe….just ask Eric I don't need to ask Eric. You already admitted it, dumbass.

No I didn’t and I explained why

Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU

than the Way is the execution. The batting average in acquisitions and retention, especially with the big swings, has to be high.

If you can't evaluate, "Way" doesn't matter.

In comment 16533441 mittenedman said:

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He's got a good Offensive Head Coach who will be calling plays this year. He's got an All Pro LT and a nice WR trio with what looks like an elite WR1. Even if the OL blows, he's got plenty to work with at WR (like Burrow). Win, or the Giants made a mistake with you. Nobody's reputation survives this team staying healthy and losing.

Imo unless the team implodes, Schoen/Daboll have a little more time. Especially Schoen.

If Jones continues to play poorly, he's gone after this season.

In comment 16533766 JT039 said:

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In comment 16533765 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533762 JT039 said: Quote: Boggle tournament. Is the insinuation that you're cool and I'm not? I can live with you believing that. Not at all. I actually believe you’re highly intelligent and seem like a very competitive person. Can’t get them all the time champ. Better luck next time. I do not find myself better than any person here.

Might be your most accurate BBI post of all time under any of your handles, dep. Maybe there's hope for us after all.

In comment 16533785 Mbavaro said:

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Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU

You wouldn't even know who Producer is if you weren't here prior to this handle.

I don't need to ask anyone to sort that out. It's obvious on its face. You could just admit what your prior handle(s) were, but you - like the rest of the dupe brigade - lack the character to do so.

In comment 16533848 Gatorade Dunk said:

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In comment 16533785 Mbavaro said: Quote: Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU You wouldn't even know who Producer is if you weren't here prior to this handle. I don't need to ask anyone to sort that out. It's obvious on its face. You could just admit what your prior handle(s) were, but you - like the rest of the dupe brigade - lack the character to do so.

One person can provide the answer and you choose not to find out

I explained how I knew and now….along with stalking me you now choose to personally insult me by saying I have a lack of character

Great job internet muscles….this is a message board and it’s sad that you choose to demean someone’s character

I’ll ignore your posts moving forward and I suggest you ignore mine

Jones was not drafted by this regime.

In comment 16533871 Go Giants said:

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Jones was not drafted by this regime.

Gee, thanks for announcing you won't read the rest of the post. Cool.
He was drafted by the Giants and then re-signed to a second contract though. That's why I put the part about big ticket free agents being at premium positions, with guys just entering their prime.

In comment 16533860 Mbavaro said:

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In comment 16533848 Gatorade Dunk said: Quote: In comment 16533785 Mbavaro said: Quote: Either get verification from the one person who can verify or STFU You wouldn't even know who Producer is if you weren't here prior to this handle. I don't need to ask anyone to sort that out. It's obvious on its face. You could just admit what your prior handle(s) were, but you - like the rest of the dupe brigade - lack the character to do so. One person can provide the answer and you choose not to find out I explained how I knew and now….along with stalking me you now choose to personally insult me by saying I have a lack of character Great job internet muscles….this is a message board and it’s sad that you choose to demean someone’s character I’ll ignore your posts moving forward and I suggest you ignore mine

Internet muscles?

It's not like I'm threatening you. I'm just pointing out that you're a dupe, because you are.

I don't care if you ignore my posts. I already find you completely useless anyway.

if once in awhile a decent thread isn't derailed by idiots and their egos

it's getting to the point where I am simply going to get rid of both of you.

In comment 16533906 Eric from BBI said:

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it's getting to the point where I am simply going to get rid of both of you.

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In comment 16533906 Eric from BBI said:

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it's getting to the point where I am simply going to get rid of both of you.

as usual I'm way late to the actual discussion, but it is something I have thought a lot about. First, there probably is no one way to build a team because no matter how its built you have to have good players. at the same time I really think the old 'build thru the draft' mantra, even though so many managers and coaches still swear by it, is kind of last century. Just think of the numbers. Just about every team turns it roster over about every 5 years and in any 5 year period a team will get @ 40 picks, but given the overall odds of success of draft picks - less than 50% when all rounds are figured - no team unless they get really likely can expect to get more than 15-20 players out of their drafts in any 5 year period. As a result, what I believe you almost have to do is find your key core impact players at impact positions with your high picks and then fill in the blanks as best as you can with later round picks and free agents. And given that it is a passing league those impact positions are QB, pass rushers, CBs, WRs and OTs (and especially LTs). Again I don't think one necessarily wants to be doctrinaire about it and pass on really good players early on at other positions, but if you are going to take players at other positions you really want them to be really good players and not just to fill a hole.

As an aside, while I was personally hoping that the Giants would take Nabers at #6 I am still more than a little surprised that they didn't take a QB there. My sense is that it may very well have come down to what Daboll wanted and/or pushed for in that he could have his own QB or stick with Jones while building up the weapons package available to the QB and he opted for the latter. We shall see.

In comment 16534030 Snorkels said:

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as usual I'm way late to the actual discussion, but it is something I have thought a lot about. First, there probably is no one way to build a team because no matter how its built you have to have good players. at the same time I really think the old 'build thru the draft' mantra, even though so many managers and coaches still swear by it, is kind of last century. Just think of the numbers. Just about every team turns it roster over about every 5 years and in any 5 year period a team will get @ 40 picks, but given the overall odds of success of draft picks - less than 50% when all rounds are figured - no team unless they get really likely can expect to get more than 15-20 players out of their drafts in any 5 year period. As a result, what I believe you almost have to do is find your key core impact players at impact positions with your high picks and then fill in the blanks as best as you can with later round picks and free agents. And given that it is a passing league those impact positions are QB, pass rushers, CBs, WRs and OTs (and especially LTs). Again I don't think one necessarily wants to be doctrinaire about it and pass on really good players early on at other positions, but if you are going to take players at other positions you really want them to be really good players and not just to fill a hole. As an aside, while I was personally hoping that the Giants would take Nabers at #6 I am still more than a little surprised that they didn't take a QB there. My sense is that it may very well have come down to what Daboll wanted and/or pushed for in that he could have his own QB or stick with Jones while building up the weapons package available to the QB and he opted for the latter. We shall see.

Good post, and I wish more would end with"we shall see"!