Wednesday, June 12
Mandatory Minicamp #2
Approx. 9:45 a.m. – Special Teams Coordinator Michael Ghobrial Available
Approx. 10:25 a.m. – Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator Mike Kafka Available
Approx. 10:35 a.m. – Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen Available
Approx. 10:45 a.m. -- Head Coach Brian Daboll Available
11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m. -- Practice
Approx. 1:15 p.m. -- Players Available
@art_stapleton
#NYGiants "backed off" Evan Neal as recovery from ankle surgery continues, per Brian Daboll. If this lingers into training camp, think you'll eventually see Jermaine Eluemunor move back to RT + Aaron Stinnie step in at LG.
Don't think NYG are there yet. Give it 6 more weeks.
@art_stapleton
I don't believe Giants would be concerned with Eluemunor and his ability to bounce outside from LG at a moment's notice, nor should they be. Stinnie has starts in this league at LG, plus a handful of young guard options (Kubas, McKethan, Ezeudu) if the Neal plan at RT does not materialize.
This will become a significant storyline in August if Neal is still unable to stay on the field. I don't think we're there yet.
And we're not even talking about improving his play, which must happen, too.
Yes.
That being said, Cota's injury could be serious. Some may say "so what?" but filling up IR with guys who weren't going to make the team can have cumulative salary cap ramifications.
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This seems like way too much of a hypothetical.
Yes.
That being said, Cota's injury could be serious. Some may say "so what?" but filling up IR with guys who weren't going to make the team can have cumulative salary cap ramifications.
thats why we wont see teh major splash move unless schoen gets desperate.
i think prices will come down too.
so i dont think well see a 1 year7-8m signing.
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This seems like way too much of a hypothetical.
Yes.
That being said, Cota's injury could be serious. Some may say "so what?" but filling up IR with guys who weren't going to make the team can have cumulative salary cap ramifications.
They've said this sort of thing before. What we're going to see is that everyone may be in attendance, but some people will be limited. He never said the words "full go". Here are the snippets:
"I think we should have everybody ready to go for training camp, which is important."
"So we're going to be smart with a few people. Then hopefully once training camp, July 24th, hits, unless something happens between now and then, hopefully we'll have everybody."
"Again, that's the plan. Whether that comes to fruition or not, that's what I'm expecting, for everybody to be out here."
There will absolutely be players who will be limited at the start of camp.
Hopefully the young center can step up and hopefully the Runyan signing proves to be ALOT better than Glowinski, same goes with Eluemunor and dear God hopefully AT stays healthy… a lot of hopefully, yet again
Injury updates from yesterday, per sources:
• WR Chase Cota: Broken collarbone
• WR Bryce Ford-Wheaton: Sprained shoulder
• CB Tre Hawkins: Illness
On the bright side for Cota, if you’re going to break your collarbone, the day before a six-week break is the best timing possible.
@PLeonardNYDN
Evan Neal is simply following the rehab recommendations of the surgeon who operated on the fracture in his left foot late last season, the Daily News was told Tuesday. But the former No. 7 overall pick’s distance from the team during practice recently has stood out. Why it’s a must to continue monitoring this key player as #Giants camp nears in late July
@DDuggan21
Today is the Giants' second and final minicamp practice before a six-week break until training camp. Interested to see if they need to limit their team periods today due to the injury situation at WR.
Gunner Olszewski (ankle) is out and Isaiah McKenzie (?) hasn't participated all spring. Chase Cota (collarbone), Bryce Ford-Wheaton (shoulder) and Darius Slayton (?) left practice yesterday. Cota and Ford-Wheaton won't practice today, not sure about Slayton.
That could leave them with just nine healthy WR. Last thing they need is a starting WR to pull a hamstring in the last practice of the spring because he's taking extra reps.
@art_stapleton
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OTA 12 on tap for #Giants100 this morning, the final practice of the offseason program.
We talk to all three coordinators and Brian Daboll before practice, then select players afterward.
Giants will report for training camp July 23 with the first practice set for July 24
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Ghobrial on KOR - hangtime is key...so we will see lower hang time and that could lrad tonusimg two return guys to cover more ground .... and there is less space to execute blocking achemes, so it may look more like a run play
#NYGiants Ghobrial - look at it as the kickoff is the first defensive play in a series
#NYGiants Ghobrial - can adjust the KOR scheme and keys in the preseason
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Ghobrial - excited about miller and tracy...have skills to be good returners
#NYGiants Ghobrial - top priority is to make sure the unit knows the new rules.....challenge is how quickly your team can do this
#NYGiants Ghobrial - gano has great accuracy and explosive leg and much experience....want to always monitors number of kicks in camp
@Dan_Salomone
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STC Michael Ghobrial said the new kickoff return will have more elements of an offensive run play. The space and hang time aren’t there to get creative with the blocking.
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Ghobrial - there are a few non-kickers on the roster who have done some kicking in the past
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants special teams coordinator Michael Ghobrial left the door open to working some non-kickers on kickoffs and coverage this season given the new rules. Said there are guys on the roster who have done it before, although accuracy and ball placement remain the priorities
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@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka on Lock - doing a really nice job...more comfotable with verbage and execution every day....been in multiple systems and try to take the good from those
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka - nabers on schedule and doing a nice job....making plays and has great work ethic
#NYGiants Kafka om WR room - coming together nicely
....some energetic young guys are taking a leadership role
#NYGiants Kafka - devito doing a nice job in his second year....taking next step with the details
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka - helps with fundamentals, techniques and formations, etc while coach daboll calls plays at practice
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka - helps with fundamentals, techniques and formations, etc while coach daboll calls plays at practice
Kafka has always seemed so milquetoast to me and I've wondered how his personality plays during HC interviews. With the play-calling being taken away from him, I wonder how much this is going to hurt him.
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka - also processes the interactions with the players at practice.....team has not made a decision who will call plays in the games yet
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka - had experience in KC where andy reid called the plays and the coordinators were deeply involved and all worked together
#NYGiants Kafka - WD Robinson has taken forward steps on the field and as a leader
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Kafka - says he can count on neal...he's been going thru meetings and engaged with the offense...just waiting for medical clearance to be ready tp go
#NYGiants Kafka - bricillo putting own flavor on the OL and says he is happy where they are at
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen on his base defense - will find out what best fits the players... mulitplicity on the backend
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@GiantInsider
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Complicity on backend, physical, fundamentally sound, that’s how DC Shane Bowen describes what he wants from his D
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen - all of the rookies have grown and done a good job....seen guys not make same mistake twice...they turn the page so we dont waste time.
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen - there is a fine between schematically aggressive and play style aggressive.....you can be aggressive outside of the scheme
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@GiantInsider
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Bowen:” We were a new defensive nine weeks ago, now we’re the Giants defensive. Nothing is new anymore”
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen - it was a new defense nine weeks ago...now it is not new - it is the giants defense, which will evolve as we figure out what the players can do...it is "not the shane bowen way" - we will grow and learn together
#NYGiants Bowen - unit taken big strides....told players we have to be ready to go when we come back in six weeks
#NYGiants Bowen - dexter lawrence, okereke, burns etc are not just great players but also great dudes.....guys get to that level by their effort and leadership - they are fun to coach
@JordanRaanan
Assistant HC and offensive coordinator Mike Kafka talked about not calling plays this spring. He’s says his role is to be “complimentary to (Daboll).” Kafka has been getting feedback from players after plays and provides input in meetings.
Kafka: “Whatever (play-calling) decision (Daboll) goes with, I’ll support.”
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen - technique and fundamentals are standard for DBs....but there may be a few different things within the scheme that they need to learn - guys will separate themselves in the first few weeks of training camp...seen improvement but not enough...camp is more telling
#NYGiants Bowen - lot of positions on the defense where he wants competition to drive them.....
#NYGiants Bowen - be better than you were yesterday....will give young guys every chance and coach them but then they have to make the plays
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Daboll - the WRs who were nicked yesterday wont work today bit should be ready for camp (cota, ford wheaten, slayton)...says bellinger got nicked a few weeks ago and precautionary to hold him back in the spring
@Patricia_Traina
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Giants are holding the three receivers who were dinged yesterday. Also Daboll said Bellinger had something happen a few weeks ago and they’re being cautious with him.
@GiantInsider
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Daboll says something happened a few weeks ago with Bellinger but he’s fine. He will be ready for camp.
That explains why Bellinger was on side yesterday.
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Daboll - have to make sure you keep the competitlve spirit alive among the players but more important now to get the fundamentals right
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Daboll - been totally impressed with nabers skills albut also with his football smarts...knows what all the skill guys on offense are doing....hyatt also had a great camp
@GiantInsider
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Daboll on Wan’Dale Robinson:
“We ask him to do a lot, smart, runs a variety of routes. Good football player”
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Daboll - been a lot of good collaboration among the asst coaches....kafka, etx been very valuable with their input
#NYGiants Daboll - can count on neal...been here and working his butt off...participatimg in the meetings..expects all to be cleared for training camp
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Daboll - every experience can help you learn and grow....easy to be up, but you will have tough times and there is much to learn...you dont have all the answers and you lean on others to try to grow....the lows are not fun but very good learning tools if used correctly
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Daboll - OL has had communication...the chemistry been good, too...that's what you look for at this time of year without pads
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants first training camp practice will be July 24
@GiantInsider
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Daboll says the hope is every injured player will be ready for camp. Obviously the big one is Evan Neal and I get the feeling they’re not sure on Neal yet.
@DDuggan21
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Daboll said “something happened a few weeks ago” to TE Daniel Bellinger in explaining his reduced reps this spring. Daboll said he’s being cautious and Bellinger is fine.
Daboll said WR Darius Slayton won’t practice today. He’s still hopeful everyone will be ready for camp.
@art_stapleton
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🕷️ 🕷️ 🕷️ #Giants100
@wanda1erobinson
@jalinhyatt
@whyguard13
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1800909923561394624 - ( New Window )
Hyatt
Nabers
Are going to be a very good trio for years to come. Let’s just hope whoever the QB is can utilize them.
@DDuggan21
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Haven’t seen tennis balls used this creatively since Judge was taping them to DB’s hands to stop them from holding
https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1800912742607401126 - ( New Window )
@charlottecrrll
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Some one handed grabs from Malik Nabers today #giants
Just makes it look easy
https://x.com/charlottecrrll/status/1800912826611245155 - ( New Window )
@art_stapleton
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Punt returners using tennis balls to test their concentration #Giants100 Wan’Dale Robinson
Ayir Asante
Tyrone Tracy
@SNYGiants
Daniel Jones ➡️ Malik Nabers
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1800911233010299186 - ( New Window )
@art_stapleton
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Punt returners using tennis balls to test their concentration #Giants100 Wan’Dale Robinson
Ayir Asante
Tyrone Tracy
The PR clearly had the number 87. So either McKenzie was doing it, or there is some issue there which is why Asante changed his number.
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This seems like way too much of a hypothetical.
Yes.
That being said, Cota's injury could be serious. Some may say "so what?" but filling up IR with guys who weren't going to make the team can have cumulative salary cap ramifications.
thats why we wont see teh major splash move unless schoen gets desperate.
i think prices will come down too.
so i dont think well see a 1 year7-8m signing.
We don't really have the money for a signing of that caliber anyway. Yes, the Giants do technically have enough cap space right now, but if you earmark $10M for in-season operating space, you're left with $2M and change, so any signing above that will likely trigger a restructure elsewhere (if not immediately, eventually).
Unfortunately for the Giants, the easiest contract for them to tap for space this year is also probably one that they'd like to avoid touching unless/until all other avenues to cap space are exhausted. For that reason, I expect the Giants to avoid putting themselves at greater risk to need that contract's available balance, and a FA signing in the $7-8M range would definitely increase that risk. I think they'd prefer to stay under $4M (and probably closer to $3M) for any late new additions.
@DDuggan21
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Brief, light practice to wrap minicamp. Vets Andrew Thomas, Dexter Lawrence, Bobby Okereke and Brian Burns got the day off from team drills.
@PLeonardNYDN
An extremely light 2nd and final #Giants minicamp practice just wrapped up here in East Rutherford. Dexter Lawrence, Brian Burns, Andrew Thomas, Bobby Okereke and Azeez Ojulari didn’t do any team work. The receivers who got hurt yesterday, including Darius Slayton, didn’t practice. Training camp next in late July
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants WDRobinson - difference from last yr is night and day....now in full go
#NYGiants WDRobinson - back to himself after not having to rehab the knee.....will do whatever role they ask
#NYGiants WDRobinson - young WR room has different skillsets...trying to learn every day.....kind of felt at end of last yr that he would step up as a young leader
#NYGiants WDRobinson - thinks he will be much more explosive after the catch ..... were times last year - especially early - when he didnt feel it....confidence has returned
#NYGiants WDRobinson - did some GPS numbers this offseason that he never hit before
#NYGiants WDRobinson - everybody's production in the WR room with help everybody else in the room.
#NYGiants WDRobinson - daboll always been a fun joking guy...now that he's calling plays in the spring, maybe a little more intense but still the same guy
@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Eleumunor - guard is one of the spots they needed....he started at LG at start of his pro career...just wants to be out there
#NYGiants Eleumunor - bricillo believes in his technique and puts guys in the right place in the right time....explains eveything about how and why the play is designed
#NYGiants Eleumunor - says it is a terrific OL room...one big family and having a lot of fun with them
#NYGiants Eleumunor - not important what position he plays but would rather just stay at LG, now that it is where he's been working...says confidence in going vs this defensive front is key in how you react after they win a battle
#NYGiants Eleumunor - practiced at multiple positions with raiders even though they played him at RT
#NYGiants Eleumunor - strugglwd with confidence early in his career.....thought his career was over 2 yrs ago but then he got to practice vs raiders maxx crosby and it helped him become the player he wants to be...says he has more upside
#NYGiants Eleumunor - helping neal to gain confidence because he knows the kind of RT he can be
@DDuggan21
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Jermaine Eluemunor said he doesn’t care if he plays guard or tackle, he just wants to start. Eluemunor said he is focusing solely on LG now since that’s where the team put him. He said he has confidence in Evan Neal at RT.
@art_stapleton
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#NYGiants wrapped their on-field portion of the offseason program. Team will meet tomorrow morning and have an organization BBQ before breaking for summer.
Select players will stick around for the team's Legends Event at The Theater at MSG next Thursday.
Then: see you July 23.
Agreed.
@art_stapleton
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CB Tre Herndon, a tryout for the #NYGiants here at minicamp, made a nice play on a deflected Tommy DeVito pass popped in air by Darrian Beavers, taking it to the house with the rest of the defense chasing him to party in the end zone.
Won't be surprised if Herndon gets a deal.
@JordanRaanan
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The Giants are signing veteran CB Tre Herndon, per agents
@davidcanter
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@NessMugrabi
. A quality vet added to the mix after he had an interception for a TD at today's minicamp practice.
Herndon has played in 83 career games with 34 starts.
You might want to double check your facts. Jon Runyan jr has played almost equal snaps at LG and RG. He has more snaps at RG and that is where he has been playing the last year and a half where he has over 1600 snaps.
Jermaine Eluemunor is the only one going to a new position as he played LT and RT last year, but he has played under Carmen Bricillo for most of his career. He also has experience playing guard.
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This seems like way too much of a hypothetical.
Yes.
That being said, Cota's injury could be serious. Some may say "so what?" but filling up IR with guys who weren't going to make the team can have cumulative salary cap ramifications.
thats why we wont see teh major splash move unless schoen gets desperate.
i think prices will come down too.
so i dont think well see a 1 year7-8m signing.
We don't really have the money for a signing of that caliber anyway. Yes, the Giants do technically have enough cap space right now, but if you earmark $10M for in-season operating space, you're left with $2M and change, so any signing above that will likely trigger a restructure elsewhere (if not immediately, eventually).
Unfortunately for the Giants, the easiest contract for them to tap for space this year is also probably one that they'd like to avoid touching unless/until all other avenues to cap space are exhausted. For that reason, I expect the Giants to avoid putting themselves at greater risk to need that contract's available balance, and a FA signing in the $7-8M range would definitely increase that risk. I think they'd prefer to stay under $4M (and probably closer to $3M) for any late new additions.
The easiest contract to adjust is Andrew Thomas. His salary is already fully guaranteed for the next 3 years and his salary is basically flat and he has no bonus money tied to the last 2 years of his deal yet. Convert salary to bonus push it over 5 years can easily add 12 - 14 mil to the cap space.
I would argue they should do it anyway. create the space now( or likely at the end of camp) to cover incidentals throughout the season and if you don't need it then you carry it over to next year when it can take some of the sting away from the dead money that will be owed to Jones
Again, just my opinion/guess/hunch, don't yell at me!
@Schmeelk
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We recap the final day of minicamp and the offseason program for the
@Giants
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@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen on his base defense - will find out what best fits the players... mulitplicity on the backend
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
@GiantInsider
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Complicity on backend, physical, fundamentally sound, that’s how DC Shane Bowen describes what he wants from his D
Complicity? What does that mean? I guess I need to hear the interview.
@Dan_Salomone
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STC Michael Ghobrial said the new kickoff return will have more elements of an offensive run play. The space and hang time aren’t there to get creative with the blocking.
I can’t question Ghobrial’s abilities or credentials, but if I am running the Giants, I would think seriously about hiring a special assistant who has coached under the new Kickoff rules to help out.I don’t want to watch preseason and 4-5 games before they figure out the new rule strategy.
Is McCloud on his way to being purely - or at least primarily - a safety?
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[Nubin] brings a certain presence that blends well with Jason Pinnock, Dane Belton and Nick McCloud, who has been seeing action in three-safety looks.
Is McCloud on his way to being purely - or at least primarily - a safety?
At least the Giants appear to have a Plan A and a Plan B for Neal. Apparently, if Eluemunor has to move to RT, Stinnie at LG and Runyan at RG is better than the reverse. Also, if Neal does have to move to guard, the consensus is that he should be at LG although I don’t know why except that LG is where he played at Alabama.
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That the Giants put Eluemunor at LG and Runyan at RG despite the fact that both have played mostly on the opposite side their entire career.
I think it's because Runyan is being handed the starting right guard job whereas Eluemunor will be competing for the left guard and right tackle spots. That's my best guess. I think they still love Ezeudu (every bit as much as they still love Neal) and want him to win the left guard job with Eluemunor as the top backup at several spots along the line. This is just my guess. And I think for the OTA's they didn't like the optics of the beat reporters seeing Eluemunor at right tackle with Neal out, so they had him working with the #1's at left guard and put Ezeudu at left tackle and right tackle.
Again, just my opinion/guess/hunch, don't yell at me!
Milton, I think you are right about the optics. Having Eluemunor start to practice at RT could be interpreted as the Giants panicking about Neal and his recovery. Put that off for 6 weeks. Eluemunor is experienced and has shown to be able to handle any changes pretty easily.
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@giantswfan
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#NYGiants Bowen on his base defense - will find out what best fits the players... mulitplicity on the backend
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
@GiantInsider
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Complicity on backend, physical, fundamentally sound, that’s how DC Shane Bowen describes what he wants from his D
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Complicity? What does that mean? I guess I need to hear the interview.
think it’s supposed to read “multiplicity”
Last year, he finally got some significant playing time as a starter beginning Week 8, when the guy ahead of him went down.
After watching him play, Tampa had no apparent interest in bringing him back, and he signed with the Giants for not much more than minimum.
Not your typical 30 yo vet OL. And not in a comforting way.
Last year, he finally got some significant playing time as a starter beginning Week 8, when the guy ahead of him went down.
After watching him play, Tampa had no apparent interest in bringing him back, and he signed with the Giants for not much more than minimum.
Not your typical 30 yo vet OL. And not in a comforting way.
Stinnie fills a need for vet guard but at 30 years old, he can be replaced easily if he falters.So who his backup may be in late August could be very important.
@art_stapleton
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#NYGiants wrapped their on-field portion of the offseason program. Team will meet tomorrow morning and have an organization BBQ before breaking for summer.
Select players will stick around for the team's Legends Event at The Theater at MSG next Thursday.
Then: see you July 23.
Neal flipping the dogs and burgers?