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NFL roster building: GMs on QB deals, cap, team culture

Eric on Li : 6/13/2024 12:15 am
excellent article from graziano on espn. nothing specifically giants related, but my favorite section was about the Rams and how their draft philosophy shifted as they traded so many picks for veterans.

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Identifying value and knowing when to spend

A mythology labeled "F--- them picks" sprung up around those Super Bowl champion Rams. Snead and the organization leaned into it and had a whole bunch of fun with the perception that they were the ultimate forget-the-future, win-now team. But as is often the case, it was an oversimplification.

Yes, the Rams had built the top end of the roster by trading away first- and second-round picks for the likes of Stafford, Jalen Ramsey and Von Miller. But in the five years leading up to their title, the Rams actually made 45 draft picks -- more than every other team except the Minnesota Vikings. They collected midround and late-round picks by strategically working the compensatory pick formula and used them in very directed ways.

"I think the volume helps," Snead said, "but also when you have a roster like we had and you can say, 'If these players stay healthy, we know we're going to be in it,' it's a lot easier to step back and see, 'OK, we have a void at specific positions. Now, what skill do these players need to be able to come in and contribute?' We ended up probably tilting toward older players, players who'd played four years, guys with a high floor instead of maybe more upside guys."

Snead cited two examples:

Defensive tackle Greg Gaines, a 2019 fourth-rounder: "We felt like he was a guy who was going to be sound in his gap, which was what we needed because Aaron Donald was going to be a little more free, play a little less structured. And that's great; that's who he is and he's one of the greatest to ever do it. But if you have two players who freelance, then that's a problem."

Safety Jordan Fuller, a 2020 sixth-rounder: "We had some really talented guys who were going to do their own thing in the secondary, so we were looking for someone who had the leadership skills but also the football acumen to be able to call a defense, get everybody in the right spot."

Snead suggested the key was front-office discipline on a number of levels. The discipline to pass on exciting players with upside in favor of ones who bring the specific traits. The discipline to let a player you like leave in free agency, knowing a compensatory pick would be coming. The discipline to actually play young midround draft picks alongside veterans.


the discipline comment really struck a cord with me. one of the words that best defined Jerry Reese's first offseason was discipline. he moved on from some overpaid vets, signed only kawika mitchell to a minimum deal in FA, then similarly drafted an older player in the first round and solid but not too explosive receiver in round 2. a bunch of complimentary role players after that. i think that type of discipline is a big part of what crept away from the organization over time because even as they did successfully add some more explosive players, their risk taking failed more than it worked out.

the steelers and ravens are teams whose drafts always feel the same bc they have their core things they believe in and they stick to them.

whether they get enough decisions right or not remains to be seen but with only a few deviations (waller) i think the current nyg regime has been pretty disciplined in how they've operated, and certainly a lot more than what we saw in the prior decade. they believe in premium position value and they havent been afraid to let players they liked and tried to retain walk. i really hope we arent back to the coaching career fair next year.
NFL roster building: GMs on QB deals, salary cap, team culture - ( New Window )
Good stuff  
Johnny5 : 6/13/2024 12:34 am : link
Good stuff as usual Eric
The Rams front office  
Dnew15 : 6/13/2024 8:52 am : link
is a really good one, and IMO, one that is overlooked as a model way to run a franchise.

They are really won their Super Bowl with an outside the box type thought process, trading for Stafford, trading all their 1st round picks away, putting all their chips in to win a SB.

BUT they way they have rebuilt that roster after they won is also impressive. They are very good at identifying talent that fits their schemes and maximizing their picks in later rounds.
 
christian : 6/13/2024 9:29 am : link
The Rams do a great job ensuring they get a plus player through their top picks. It's such a valuable asset pool, it's damaging when you don't.

As evidenced by the Rams pursuit, that's the type of rationale I hope Schoen used when pursuing Burns.

The Giants have some big misses in the top 2 rounds over the last two regimes. So I'm all for trade market.
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Eric on Li : 6/13/2024 3:15 pm : link
In comment 16535899 christian said:
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The Rams do a great job ensuring they get a plus player through their top picks. It's such a valuable asset pool, it's damaging when you don't.

As evidenced by the Rams pursuit, that's the type of rationale I hope Schoen used when pursuing Burns.

The Giants have some big misses in the top 2 rounds over the last two regimes. So I'm all for trade market.


i have always been a big burns fan, but it gave me some added comfort that it was only about 15 months before nyg got him the rams offered the 2 firsts for him.

one other instructive thing re the rams is how bad things were with snead before mcvay. in the nfl now i dont think any gm no matter how good can "out-roster-build" a bad coach. i think dallas shows the ceiling on that.
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Eric on Li : 6/13/2024 3:18 pm : link
In comment 16535864 Dnew15 said:
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is a really good one, and IMO, one that is overlooked as a model way to run a franchise.

They are really won their Super Bowl with an outside the box type thought process, trading for Stafford, trading all their 1st round picks away, putting all their chips in to win a SB.

BUT they way they have rebuilt that roster after they won is also impressive. They are very good at identifying talent that fits their schemes and maximizing their picks in later rounds.


for the same reason as the last post, i think it's less that it's overlooked and more that the model is mcvay which is hard to replicate (though the league has clearly been trying with lafleurs, occonnell, etc).

if you told me i could pick 1 asset in the entirety of the NFL including players, it would be the currently 38 year old sean mcvay with 20+ prime years left and no injury risks even over mahomes.
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