How bad is this show?
That last episode was the drizzling shits, it made The Last Jedi look like best picture at the Oscars.
Each episode of this show is DOUBLE the cost of Godzilla Minus One and it looks drastically WORSE visually/effects.
Disney continues to kill continuity from George's works, first it was Leia and Obi Wans mindless adventure, to not one but two kids just being magically made.
I think Andor is pretty good, and Mandalorian was ok (I didn't bother with season 3 though). The rest of the recent stuff has ranged from passable to bad.
The witches were created by Lucas in The Clone Wars, although the ones we saw appear different from those on TCW and Ashoka
Listen to real fans and not sites like Rotten Tomatoes or IGN. They are paid by Disney for positive reviews. The show is a slap in the face to Star Wars.
But since the sequels I did love Clone Wars, Bad Batch, Rogue One, Rebels, Mandolorian, Andor and a few others. Even Kenobi had some moments I enjoyed. So there's been some great content lately... but those fucking movies just ruin the whole damned thing.
More politically correct BS from Disney.
I had zero interest in Ashoka.
That game's storyline with some tweaks would be perfect for an episodic TV series, too - a ragtag group travel around to different planets searching for a MacGuffin to defeat a Sith Lord. You've got multiple Jedi, a Twi'Lek, a Wookie, funny droids, a Mandalorian...it'd be a friggin' lay-up.
Why buy everything in the Star Wars universe if you aren't going to take & use the best stuff? It wasn't exactly a niche game, either.
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is it that bad?
Listen to real fans and not sites like Rotten Tomatoes or IGN. They are paid by Disney for positive reviews. The show is a slap in the face to Star Wars.
They are paid by Disney for positive reviews? Lets not get crazy, that's not how that works.
Episode 3 was definitely the weakest so far...the Jedi in the first two episodes are really intriguing especially Sol.
I had zero interest in Ashoka.
Ahsoka was boring and Rosario Dawson was surprisingly bad. Maybe becuase of the director? Regardless, she was completely wooden.
The whole point of this show was for KK to kill Star Wars once and for all and re-invent it in her image.
She got the first part right!
The Star Wars universe in my head growing up as a kid 30 years ago was much different than this.
The Star Wars universe in my head growing up as a kid 30 years ago was much different than this.
This times a million. And it devalues the entire idea of the Force - of hidden Force users, those with innate abilities they never knew about. Or hell, even Anakin himself being the chosen one.
A bunch of ladies chanting around children shouldn't be able to magically bestow the Force upon someone else. It is a stupid, non-canon concept.
Other folks on social media are up in arms over another female lead being cast (I could care less) and the ethnical diversity of the cast (another point I think is asinine).
The writing is piss poor. The plot is frayed. Great costumes as always, but its a godawful show.
Kathleen Kennedy needs to be shit canned and Disney needs to turn the reigns over to Favreau and Filoni
It seems like Disney is trying to use these TV series to fill in the innumerable blanks left by the sequel abominations. A lot of season 3 of the Mandalorian sets up the rise of the First Order, a plot point I feel like should have been a focus of a different show instead of shoehorning into the adventures of a bounty hunter and his son lol
The Acolyte seems like it's trying to set the stage for the creation of Luke Skywalker and maybe explaining how Palpatine survived (lol idiotic).
We'll see what happens, I guess. So far, I like it way more than Obi Wan, Boba Fett, and maybe even Mando Season 3. And anything is better than the sequels lol
A bunch of ladies chanting around children shouldn't be able to magically bestow the Force upon someone else. It is a stupid, non-canon concept.
I guess it's a good thing that never happened then. I assume you're referring to the girls' ascension ceremony? They were already force users as shown when they both messed around with that butterfly/moth thing when they were introduced. I'm assuming what the ceremony was doing was somehow connecting the girls to the larger group. Perhaps creating some kind of empathetic force connection. Hopefully, that gets explained at some point.
But no, the girls already had force powers that they were shown using prior to the ceremony you referenced. Unless you're talking about something else.
Andor
Mando S1&2
Ashoka
Mando S3
Kenobi
BOBF
I watched this too, she was great. Some of that stuff is so hard to believe, but there it is on video.
Amazing how quickly the gleam of those franchises went away.
DEI at it's best!
I think Disney has been trying to eliminate the political aspect of their content, but they had already made so much, there was no going back.
I haven't started yet, but one of my issues with Star Wars, is the way they just casually have so many Jedi's. It used to be a novelty, not everyone under the sun is a Jedi. Not that way to expand the Star Wars universe IMHO.
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
I think Disney has been trying to eliminate the political aspect of their content, but they had already made so much, there was no going back.
I haven't started yet, but one of my issues with Star Wars, is the way they just casually have so many Jedi's. It used to be a novelty, not everyone under the sun is a Jedi. Not that way to expand the Star Wars universe IMHO.
Andor, Mando, and The Bad Batch are Jedis? Hmmm... Must have missed that.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
I think Disney has been trying to eliminate the political aspect of their content, but they had already made so much, there was no going back.
I haven't started yet, but one of my issues with Star Wars, is the way they just casually have so many Jedi's. It used to be a novelty, not everyone under the sun is a Jedi. Not that way to expand the Star Wars universe IMHO.
Andor, Mando, and The Bad Batch are Jedis? Hmmm... Must have missed that.
I don't know how you came to that conclusion, but there have been Jedi's in just about every series with the exception of Andor(which was fantastic BTW). It's just overkill.
wow talk about a simp.... excellent?? L O L
The SW hate is over the top. Andor in particular was really good.
Carrie Ann Moss is kind of always cool, but can only do so much with what she’s given (same with that last Matrix movie, which was TURRRIBLE)
Andor is the exception to the rule, as was Rogue One. The Mandalorian started out strong, but it really seems to have lost its way. The rest of the shows are unwatchable sh*tstorms.
Although Obi-Wan’s singular redeeming quality is that it managed to distill the prequel trilogy into a three minute flashback montage, and it turns out that’s all we really needed.
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
The Empire is based on an actual government that existed until about 32 years prior to Star Wars release.
Those overtones would have been much more relevant to the audience then
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In comment 16536506 uconngiant said:
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
The Empire is based on an actual government that existed until about 32 years prior to Star Wars release.
Those overtones would have been much more relevant to the audience then
He’s not talking about that
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In comment 16536506 uconngiant said:
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
The Empire is based on an actual government that existed until about 32 years prior to Star Wars release.
Those overtones would have been much more relevant to the audience then
He’s not talking about that
Yes I get he's referring to the social justice type issues. Things are different today than they were in 1977, both socially and with what Hollywood is okay putting out. People say the same thing about Star Trek and Dr Who, but addressing contemporary issues in those shows is nothing new either
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s talking about the DEI, forced diversity, and wokeness being heavily involved in the story.
Watch the director and actress interviews. She said the goal was to make white people cry.
They don’t even care about making good stories lol
On the other hand, this already seems to me like a continuation of the Disney trend of really shitting on/ruining most aspects of the original. The series seems primed to now ruin Jedi in general, the same way they've ruined Luke, Leia, Obi Wan, Boba Fett, Ahsoka. Yet, I keep getting sucked in.
I think Andor is pretty good, and Mandalorian was ok (I didn't bother with season 3 though). The rest of the recent stuff has ranged from passable to bad.
I may be in the minority on this, but I liked Solo as well. Mandalorian was good for 2 seasons. Season 3 plus Book of Boba Fett, which was essentially Season 2.5 of Mandalorian sucked.
Mistake one was buying the franchise only to turn away the plethora of stories from the old Expanded Universe. Even if you didn't want to do Lucas' vision for sequels, there was so much material there for movies and shows for decades that fans would love, new and old fans alike. Instead, they came up with their own disjointed drivel and proceeded to shit on virtually every legacy character.
For a long time I poo-pooed the theory that they wanted to destroy Star Wars, because it makes no sense from a business standpoint. Then I had an irrational thought along those lines last week. I saw (I think on Prime) The Black Hole, which was the terrible Disney attempt at Sci-fi in response to Star Wars. I joked that maybe Disney never got over that movie bombing and never competing with Star Wars.
There really is no rational explanation for how they've run the franchise. Why buy it to shit all ovr everything about it.
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
Why is it politics if a show runner choose to cast xyz in a leading role? Or if their sexuality is reflected in their work? Writers write about what they know and how they feel; some may be uncomfortable with the end result but so what.
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
Why is it politics if a show runner choose to cast xyz in a leading role? Or if their sexuality is reflected in their work? Writers write about what they know and how they feel; some may be uncomfortable with the end result but so what.
It has nothing to do with being uncomfortable with the end result. What a writer knows and feels is not always appealing to other people.
They have every right to put in the story whatever they like that tells their own personal stories and shares their experiences. But the audience is also allowed to conclude that it is entirely uninteresting - which seems to be what is happening here.
The rest is mostly trash. Mando had some promise but has kind of gone off the rails (though I will say the Luke Skywalker kicking ass was probably the best fan service I've ever seen--a lot of us old fogies have been waiting on that for 35 years).
But overall, for me, it's not the forced political viewpoints, it's just executed poorly. I could give two shits if they cast a diverse character, but it should be natural and I shouldn't notice it. I'm noticing it because it's just overall bad and clunky. Just like the sets that look like 1960s TV sci fi, or Land of the Lost. I mean, this is a multi-billion-dollar franchise.
I'll also say that they could have just as easily screwed up the Expanded Universe with poor execution, but agree with the comments that it was a treasure trove of excellent material. And the guy who said "just do Knights of the Old Republic"--spot on. I don't care who you cast, what their pronouns are, who they sleep with... for f's sake, just make it entertaining. I hate mideval crap and dragons, but HBO got me hooked on GOT (read the books) and the new series. Because it's good.
Sorry for the rant... Just so disappointing.
Acolyte - ( New Window )
Disney and every other company with an agenda beyond telling good stories that entertain the viewers can eat a lightsaber.
I think Igor is trying to destroy the company (stock price will be $20. or so) and then he will buy a ton of it and start creating good movies again.
He is an evil genius that Igor.
You mean the Galactic Statrcruiser.
I went myself and can tell you that my experience did not match hers at all.
It was unbelievably good.
Perhaps since she went opening weekend not all the bugs were worked out yet?
I'm not sure what people are looking for with the spinoffs.
I've enjoyed them all.
If you don't, then don't watch.
It's not all that hard.
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doc on the rise and fall of Galaxy's Edge at Disney. Simply incredible stuff by the girl who did it.
You mean the Galactic Statrcruiser.
I went myself and can tell you that my experience did not match hers at all.
It was unbelievably good.
Perhaps since she went opening weekend not all the bugs were worked out yet?
I took my son as well.
We both had a blast.
It was overpriced but I had fun anyway.
I'm not sure what people are looking for with the spinoffs.
I've enjoyed them all.
If you don't, then don't watch.
It's not all that hard.
We won’t. Does that mean it’s ok for you to share your opinion but others can’t?
As to what we are looking for, how about something good? Mandalorian was great, for example.
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I like Star Wars but this is just so bad. I won't watch another one until they drop the political crap from it.
LOL! The first movie was literally about taking on an evil government dictatorship. Yeah, not too political...
He’s not talking about the politics within the story.
Why is it politics if a show runner choose to cast xyz in a leading role? Or if their sexuality is reflected in their work? Writers write about what they know and how they feel; some may be uncomfortable with the end result but so what.
I mean at this point I think Disneys politics are pretty well documented. And you’re right, the show runner and writers are going to do their thing based on what they know and how they feel, but where the politics comes in is that Disney is intentionally choosing their show runners, directors, writers etc because they know these are the types of stories they will create. Disney clearly has a social agenda, some people will like it, but based on reviews and stock performance, most don’t.
I think Igor is trying to destroy the company (stock price will be $20. or so) and then he will buy a ton of it and start creating good movies again.
He is an evil genius that Igor.
It's funny, Iger's only been back as Disney CEO for 1 year and a half, and they think Iger is responsible for everything that's been put out since then. These series have been in the works for years.
Id say after 2 years, people can really judge Iger for the content coming out in the theatre's and Disney+, but for now, this still seems like his predecessor's work.
Huh? How about a good quality show/movie? This is one of the most famous franchises on the planet being made by one of the biggest media juggernauts and they can barley make anything decent.
It looks like fanfics, the effects look something from a Youtube movie. It's all lazy, the acting stinks, the directing stinks, DEI is heavily shoehorned in and Georges ideas are completley throw out and ignored.
Star Wars is like pizza to me. Even when it's not that good. It's still pretty good.
That being said... Kathleen Kennedy and the showrunner really turned me off on this project before it aired. Kennedy admitted that she knows exactly who/what the star Wars demographic audience and then consciously dismisses them in favor of what she wants to make. Outside of seeing what they do with the Thrawn storyline... I'm pretty much in Star Wars fatigue.
Seems like people enjoyed it back then and hate it now. I’d say it’s more sad than hilarious since the IP stinks now, and I never thought I’d ever say that. It’s also not just the politics that stink.
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when people complain that Star Wars has gotten too political. Politics was the entire point. Just ask Lucas.
Seems like people enjoyed it back then and hate it now. I’d say it’s more sad than hilarious since the IP stinks now, and I never thought I’d ever say that. It’s also not just the politics that stink.
Star Wars is like pizza to me. Even when it's not that good. It's still pretty good.
That being said... Kathleen Kennedy and the showrunner really turned me off on this project before it aired. Kennedy admitted that she knows exactly who/what the star Wars demographic audience and then consciously dismisses them in favor of what she wants to make. Outside of seeing what they do with the Thrawn storyline... I'm pretty much in Star Wars fatigue.
Agreed.
Also, if it were possible for entertainment companies to knowingly only release 'stuff the fans want" they would and there would never be a box office flop.
But it's not that easy, as evidenced by the century+ history of Hollywood executives chasing trends and tripping over their own dicks. Hell, Star Wars itself was considered a schlocky genre flick when it was produced. Then when it was a massive hit, how many copy cats were produced that weren't even a fraction as popular?
I'm sure in Disney's minds they have targeted the "old fans" a bunch already with all the shows about OT characters + Andor. But they want everyone in the damn world to watch so they branch out with kid cartoons and different kinds of stories and yadda yadda yadda. That to me is a more realistic, convincing argument than Disney intentionally flushing money to fund some secret politically motivated conspiracy.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/14/disneys-star-wars-box-office-profits-fail-to-cover-cost-of-lucasfilm/
Streaming also has not gone well. You can't blame that on Star Wars though. They made many bad decisions and declined in subscribers in 4 of the past 5 quarters
https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2024/04/07/the-real-reason-for-disneys-11-billion-streaming-losses/
That said, we'll still subscribe. My kid loves Marvel and a bunch of other things. One day we will get to the park, but I think I may aim for Universal first... once they open up that new area with Super Mario Land and Donkey Kong Country.
It was over the moment Disney got their hands on it. Disney was my customer for years. I saw the changes happening internally before you could see them externally.
They are trying too hard to turn their assets into something other than what the pubilc is looking for.
It is not just Star Wars, just look at what they did to ESPN.
What has been happening at the Parks over the past few years is criminal too. The place used to be about a Magical experience for kids and adults. Something that takes you away from your normal life for a few hours. That is over and they even ruined some of their fireworks displays by injecting ads for their movies... in the fireworks.
They are also restricting park hopping too and you cannot just show up and buy a ticket like you could in the past. It is like they are trying to accurately predict how many guests will visit the parks on a given day so they can optimize labor and foor supplies.