that all hell could break loose once the finals is over because of the cap ramifications july 1st and the draft being so close to July 1st
I don’t think there will be some massive movement of high impact players. Maybe a handful get moved but there will be a lot of movement with the Oubre type players. I could see contenders try to turn some of their high salary/middle impact guys into cheaper versions due to the cap. I wouldn’t classify it as “as hell breaking loose” but there will be some significant movement. Enough that may turn fringe contenders into play in teams and vice versa
I know you mentioned in the past that you’d be shocked if OG moved on, is that still true? And what’s the general thought on Hartenstein staying or going?
I know you mentioned in the past that you’d be shocked if OG moved on, is that still true? And what’s the general thought on Hartenstein staying or going?
Still true.
I think the Knicks keep him. I could be wrong but I don’t get the sense a 4 year $100 mill deal is out there for him
I know you said you believe OG will be back for a relatively team friendly deal. Would IHart be the same? Are there any cap limitations on keeping both of them? And, finally, the same with Precious.
And who’s the most likely acquisition? Figured I’d get those out of the way, haha. By the way, really appreciate all the info you provide!
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Wow very cool. Booker obviously the crown jewel but I’d thing highly unlikely no? And do you think he and Brunson fit well together? I’d love to just see them add a catch n shoot guy, like Korver was back in the day.
Great news on OG and iHart. I love the chemistry iHart brings.
I know you said you believe OG will be back for a relatively team friendly deal. Would IHart be the same? Are there any cap limitations on keeping both of them? And, finally, the same with Precious.
I think all three are back pending if they make a trade. I think iharts deals comes in lower than what’s being speculated.
Knicks are going to be a second apron team if they keep both OG and ihart
And who’s the most likely acquisition? Figured I’d get those out of the way, haha. By the way, really appreciate all the info you provide!
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Wow very cool. Booker obviously the crown jewel but I’d thing highly unlikely no? And do you think he and Brunson fit well together? I’d love to just see them add a catch n shoot guy, like Korver was back in the day.
Great news on OG and iHart. I love the chemistry iHart brings.
We have so many catch and shoot guys. Our issue is not that but rather another creator on offense. When Brunson was hobbled and Randle was out, it completely threw off our offense. McBride, DD, Hart, OG, etc. can all catch and shoot.
1. Is a potential elite big (AD)
2. A creator (Booker)
3. A defensive wing (Bridges/caruso)
In the draft they want to add multiple position guys Smith could play the 3-4 and small ball 5 in spurts. Dunn defensively could play 3- small ball 5 but his offense has a ways to go. They know they need to improve the back of the bench after what happened with the injuries
it sounds like the Nets seem intent on keeping Bridges?
I don’t think it’s so much they want to keep him as they overrate his value
That's positive, maybe there's a path forward even if the Knicks need to overpay. Bridges for Bogie and a bunch of picks I still think is a major step forward.
I unfortunately now have gotten irrationally excited about KD and am setting myself up for disappointment
That’s a tough one though answer. If AD, Booker or Giannis became available they’d aggressively pursue it. Otherwise I think they’re fine running it back with a Brunson-Dante-OG-Randle-ihart starting lineup and making some tweaks to the wings and depth. They’ll aggressively pursue fixes to the depth and backup wings but I don’t think many people will consider that being aggressive.
I think they’d like to bring Burks back as the 11/12 guy and he’d be cool with it in just not sure there’s a path for it
That’s a tough one though answer. If AD, Booker or Giannis became available they’d aggressively pursue it. Otherwise I think they’re fine running it back with a Brunson-Dante-OG-Randle-ihart starting lineup and making some tweaks to the wings and depth. They’ll aggressively pursue fixes to the depth and backup wings but I don’t think many people will consider that being aggressive.
I think they’d like to bring Burks back as the 11/12 guy and he’d be cool with it in just not sure there’s a path for it
Thats fair, my worry is they become a 2nd apron team running it back and they get stuck
Any Giannis buzz? I know it's a longshot, but figured I'd ask.
He has a deal with ownership that they’ll trade him if he asks, I don’t think he asks this year though. But it’s why resigning and overpaying Randle may be a good thing
Because they’ll have 8 or 9 guys on middle to low high dollar contracts, not because they have 3 aging super max contracts
They’ll be able to find ways to maneuver. It’ll have some uncomfortable decisions, but they’ll have ways.
Yeah thats my issue i dont want to have to trade Divo, Hart or OG to make a deal work, but i get if nothing is out there you cant force it
I really think they get a ring out of this group without having to trade one of those guys
I hope so, in the other thread we were talking about KD and how perfrct he would be because his contract runs 2 years then they would create cap soace just in time to sign Bridges
I've read the Rockets are willing to offer a lot of the Nets draft capital back to them for Bridges. Are they going to try to recoup assets or build around Bridges?
I've read the Rockets are willing to offer a lot of the Nets draft capital back to them for Bridges. Are they going to try to recoup assets or build around Bridges?
They’ll trade Bridges but it’ll have to be on their terms. To be honest I don’t know who the Nets want to build around. They’re rudderless
First of thank you for everything you share over the years
And who’s the most likely acquisition? Figured I’d get those out of the way, haha. By the way, really appreciate all the info you provide!
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Wow very cool. Booker obviously the crown jewel but I’d thing highly unlikely no? And do you think he and Brunson fit well together? I’d love to just see them add a catch n shoot guy, like Korver was back in the day.
Great news on OG and iHart. I love the chemistry iHart brings.
We have so many catch and shoot guys. Our issue is not that but rather another creator on offense. When Brunson was hobbled and Randle was out, it completely threw off our offense. McBride, DD, Hart, OG, etc. can all catch and shoot.
I hear ya, and I definitely agree that they need another creator, though Randle played that role in the past. Honestly, I may just be judging the team that went on that run which isn’t fair.
I’m sitting here like, “Well, Hart’s streaky as hell,” but he was playing through injury. OG, I wouldn’t call an assassin from deep but he’s no slouch either, and he was hurt. Divo was great, McBride shot above his weight class, but I think about things like the struggles from the stripe and it’s just so odd to me. I’ve never seen it where the entire team can be on or ice cold on a given night.
Again, I may have an odd case of recency bias, almost against the Knicks, but after watching 6 straight games of Maxey and Embiid - and I get that they’re the Sixer’s two best players - we don’t have anyone I’d consider automatic if you leave them open beyond the arc or from the FT line.
First i know you said no stars are expected to be available or ask out, i still would be shocked if at least 1 player doesnt ask out..
As far as the Leon Rose and Rich Paul meeting, i habe this gut feeling that it was about Lebron or AD coming to the Knicks..You mentioned 10% chance on Lebron, people mention Philly for Lebron but i think the only team he would leave LA for is the Knicks
To me Paul and Rose dont habe a sitdown over Jordan Clarkson, lol, I think it was about AD or Lebron coming to the Knicks, you have already mentioned AD a few times and even Perkins mentioned it...
it sounds like the only Bridges will be traded is if he forces his way out and makes it loud because they view him as a costsr to a top star...They have been offered hoards of firsts and continue to sya they wont trade him..
Also said Knicks are eyeing this offseason to trade for a star but if no one asks out will eye this trade deadline..
Said if Kat is traded the easiest time to trade him will be at the draft to use his 36 million dollar number to match salaries and it would save the twolves almost 20 million
RE: A few thoughts and AJ you tell me if i am way off
First i know you said no stars are expected to be available or ask out, i still would be shocked if at least 1 player doesnt ask out..
As far as the Leon Rose and Rich Paul meeting, i habe this gut feeling that it was about Lebron or AD coming to the Knicks..You mentioned 10% chance on Lebron, people mention Philly for Lebron but i think the only team he would leave LA for is the Knicks
To me Paul and Rose dont habe a sitdown over Jordan Clarkson, lol, I think it was about AD or Lebron coming to the Knicks, you have already mentioned AD a few times and even Perkins mentioned it...
Probably right it was about someone big. I don’t think the Knicks are the only team Lebron would leave LA for. I think he’d go back to Cleveland to play with Mitchell or to Miami. The possible options are small though. I think Philly is a legitimate option if he leaves
RE: RE: A few thoughts and AJ you tell me if i am way off
First i know you said no stars are expected to be available or ask out, i still would be shocked if at least 1 player doesnt ask out..
As far as the Leon Rose and Rich Paul meeting, i habe this gut feeling that it was about Lebron or AD coming to the Knicks..You mentioned 10% chance on Lebron, people mention Philly for Lebron but i think the only team he would leave LA for is the Knicks
To me Paul and Rose dont habe a sitdown over Jordan Clarkson, lol, I think it was about AD or Lebron coming to the Knicks, you have already mentioned AD a few times and even Perkins mentioned it...
Probably right it was about someone big. I don’t think the Knicks are the only team Lebron would leave LA for. I think he’d go back to Cleveland to play with Mitchell or to Miami. The possible options are small though. I think Philly is a legitimate option if he leaves
Thats true forgot about Cleveland, i wonder if Riley would go after Lebron..
I agree with most of what you said, but I have heard louder rumblings on KAT and KD than you seem to. However, I did hear KD to GS is more likely than NYK, if he is traded.
Also was told that the meeting on Rich Paul was about multiple big-time players, at least 3. I think we can figure it out.
The Knick beats keep mentioning KAT as well, but who knows. I do see the fit, with or without Randle.
If Towns wasn’t about to make $60 million they would have made the deal already. Trading for Towns will make it very hard to operate as a second apron team.
RE: RE: I love Mitch just wish he had some offense in his game
So it would be possible they invest over 30 million into the center position
It's not just his lack of offense. He gets hurt EVERY SINGLE YEAR. He's proven he can't stay healthy.
Yes Mitch gets hurt every year, but that isn't something unique to him. Kind of just comes with the territory with big guys. Look at the top centers in the league, outside of like Jokic and Gobert, they all miss a ton of games.
now that he has been acquitted. Saw a lot of B1G basketball this year and for my money he was the best all around player in the conference. I think if he slides to the bottom of the 1st rd/2nd he'll be a steal.
If you aren’t trading Booker you have to keep KD because you’re not improving enough by trading KD.
The package isnt going to be big
Would the Knicks be willing to include Randle in a deal for KD? Maybe that moves the needle enough for Phoenix if it is Randle and picks.
Probably would make sense for the Knicks to move Julius in that scenario, where are you playing KD if Randle and OG are on the roster? You arent bringing any of those guys off the bench.
is Beal has a no trade, so even if you wanted to blow it up and start collecting draft picks and soreading out the cap, they couldnt
I would think given the age and injury propensity of KD and Beal, they might welcome a Randle trade with a pick or two because it would kind of help them on multiple fronts:
1. Gives them a younger and arguably less injury risk player vs KD (even considering last years dirty play shoulder injury)
2. Gets them out of that monstrous ballooning contract of KD who is owed a lot of money next four years
3. Might get a pick or two in the process.
Randle is a 25/10/5 guy , he is a higher level of player than almost any team gets back when they trade away a superstar.
Randle is approx 27M (if traded prior to July 1st) + Bojan fully gtd at 19M + 1-2 First round picks
KD is 47M (if traded prior to July 1st)
The salaries match almost perfectly.
I highly doubt Randle would not be included but some fun math:
Mitchell Robinson 15M + Achiuwa 6M + McBride 4.7M + Sims 2.5M + D'Quan 2.5M + Bojan 19-20 gtd would get us close to KDs salary
is Beal has a no trade, so even if you wanted to blow it up and start collecting draft picks and soreading out the cap, they couldnt
I would think given the age and injury propensity of KD and Beal, they might welcome a Randle trade with a pick or two because it would kind of help them on multiple fronts:
1. Gives them a younger and arguably less injury risk player vs KD (even considering last years dirty play shoulder injury)
2. Gets them out of that monstrous ballooning contract of KD who is owed a lot of money next four years
3. Might get a pick or two in the process.
Randle is a 25/10/5 guy , he is a higher level of player than almost any team gets back when they trade away a superstar.
Randle is approx 27M (if traded prior to July 1st) + Bojan fully gtd at 19M + 1-2 First round picks
KD is 47M (if traded prior to July 1st)
The salaries match almost perfectly.
I highly doubt Randle would not be included but some fun math:
Mitchell Robinson 15M + Achiuwa 6M + McBride 4.7M + Sims 2.5M + D'Quan 2.5M + Bojan 19-20 gtd would get us close to KDs salary
KD only has 2 years lef ton his deal, its why many say he would be the guy to trade because they cna get the most for him
is Beal has a no trade, so even if you wanted to blow it up and start collecting draft picks and soreading out the cap, they couldnt
I would think given the age and injury propensity of KD and Beal, they might welcome a Randle trade with a pick or two because it would kind of help them on multiple fronts:
1. Gives them a younger and arguably less injury risk player vs KD (even considering last years dirty play shoulder injury)
2. Gets them out of that monstrous ballooning contract of KD who is owed a lot of money next four years
3. Might get a pick or two in the process.
Randle is a 25/10/5 guy , he is a higher level of player than almost any team gets back when they trade away a superstar.
Randle is approx 27M (if traded prior to July 1st) + Bojan fully gtd at 19M + 1-2 First round picks
KD is 47M (if traded prior to July 1st)
The salaries match almost perfectly.
I highly doubt Randle would not be included but some fun math:
Mitchell Robinson 15M + Achiuwa 6M + McBride 4.7M + Sims 2.5M + D'Quan 2.5M + Bojan 19-20 gtd would get us close to KDs salary
KD only has 2 years lef ton his deal, its why many say he would be the guy to trade because they cna get the most for him
I thought it was 4 more years as I think I was quickly scanning the page and thought Beals contract was KD's .
Yeah that 2 year deal makes him more tradeable for sure. All depends on the direction they want to go I guess. If it's all about next year for them I could see them say no. But if they like Randle enough and want to try different chemistry or want the 50+ M cap relief for 2025-26 (both Randle and Bojan expire by then) it might have a shot.
Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
remember if the Celtics win teams can immediately start negotiating with their own players, So a guy like Maxey will probably be announced right away..
It will be interesting to see if the Knicks can lock down OG before July 1st, i dont expect them to be able to with Hartenstein because they have a limit on what they can offer..
Also Windy for the first time mentioned the kNicms in the Paul George talks, now he underlined it as an example for a Paul George opt in and trade but Windy wouldnt mention the Knicks like that..
He also said OG could still test the market but expects him to return to the Knicks
Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
IDK how I feel about Dunn. I know he's possibly the best perimeter defensive player in the Draft, but he is an ATROCIOUS offensive player.
Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
IDK how I feel about Dunn. I know he's possibly the best perimeter defensive player in the Draft, but he is an ATROCIOUS offensive player.
I hear you, with maybe a slight adjustment in that he’s a horrific shooter, not a horrific offensive player. He shot over 50% from the field is a plus offensive rebounder and has a nice handle.
But he has the same jumper I do. He won’t play meaningful minutes until that’s fixed. But if it is he’s OG 2.0. I think worth a swing with a late first in a bad draft.
say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
I think so too. They’re already offering him more money than the opt in so really tough to see a path to NYK unless George wants to play here the most.
I need Devin Booker to force a trade here in the worst way.
say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
I think so too. They’re already offering him more money than the opt in so really tough to see a path to NYK unless George wants to play here the most.
I need Devin Booker to force a trade here in the worst way.
when Leon was hired I think Booker or Embiid would have been possible. But once the Suns were sold and once Morey was hired, the chances of either dropped to zero.
say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
He basically tried to outline like for example the Knicks can trade for PG if he opts in, and everyone jncluding Alan Hahn said oh he would be great fit in NY
say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
I think so too. They’re already offering him more money than the opt in so really tough to see a path to NYK unless George wants to play here the most.
I need Devin Booker to force a trade here in the worst way.
when Leon was hired I think Booker or Embiid would have been possible. But once the Suns were sold and once Morey was hired, the chances of either dropped to zero.
What happened to the good ol days when NBA stars were whiny babies and demanded trades publicly?
Durant 3x, Harden, Kyrie, Lillard, Ant, Kawhi, etc etc.
say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
He basically tried to outline like for example the Knicks can trade for PG if he opts in, and everyone jncluding Alan Hahn said oh he would be great fit in NY
gotcha. I imagine quite a few teams would be interested in that scenario.
Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
IDK how I feel about Dunn. I know he's possibly the best perimeter defensive player in the Draft, but he is an ATROCIOUS offensive player.
I hear you, with maybe a slight adjustment in that he’s a horrific shooter, not a horrific offensive player. He shot over 50% from the field is a plus offensive rebounder and has a nice handle.
But he has the same jumper I do. He won’t play meaningful minutes until that’s fixed. But if it is he’s OG 2.0. I think worth a swing with a late first in a bad draft.
If I had my druthers, I'd package one of our picks with our second rounder to move up a bit. If we can come away with two of Kel'El Ware, Tyler Smith, Bub Carrington, and Jared McCain, I'd consider that a major win.
"“According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks. One of those deals included a pick in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed…the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.” "
"“According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks. One of those deals included a pick in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed…the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.” "
That’s so fucking stupid. They’re going to lose him for nothing.
"Having passed on opportunities to trade him, the Bulls must look more seriously at the trade market or attempt to extend him before he becomes a free agent.
They may have the inside track on keeping him — it’s possible Caruso, given his perpetual risk of injury, prefers to lock in long-term security with an extension. He may instead prefer to test free agency where he will likely attract equal or better offers in team contexts more conducive to winning.
Let’s start with Bojan Bogdanovic. His contract is currently guaranteed for $2 million. It becomes fully guaranteed at $19 million on June 28. If you’re thinking about a significant trade, the Knicks' decision on Bogdanovic is key.
Here’s Gozlan: "I think it makes sense to keep him and guarantee him for the upcoming season if the Knicks feel like there is a trade for an All-Star on the horizon. Attaching his $19 million with Julius Randle's $28.9 million allows them to match for just about anyone. If Bogdanovic is gone, they likely need to trade Josh Hart or Mitchell Robinson, or even try to get Precious Achiuwa involved in a sign-and-trade to get enough money to send out." Link - ( New Window )
hence the question. They're clearly not untouchable level players but it's safe to say they're part of the core going forward. But there's a point where you start talking about potentially acquiring players of a certain caliber - and Brunson's feelings just won't be enough to keep them out of the deal.
hence the question. They're clearly not untouchable level players but it's safe to say they're part of the core going forward. But there's a point where you start talking about potentially acquiring players of a certain caliber - and Brunson's feelings just won't be enough to keep them out of the deal.
I can't imagine they would make any move the Brunson is not 100% on board with until after he signs an extension. And even then he deserves a full season with his core and OG mixed in, whether it includes Randle or a substitution. I imagine even the Randall question is whether Brunson wants to play with him or not.
At this moment in time it seems like they'll look to mostly
run it back with some moves on the margins/draft picks. Of course that could always change if some star asks out. Unless a deal presents itself by June 28 you probably have to pick up Bojan's option. I get this crashes us into the 2nd Apron, but like others have mentioned we can operate as a 2nd apron team because of the fact none of our contracts are bad at all. This could change when/if Randle signs an extension, but that wouldn't be until August at the earliest and they can put it off if they want.
RE: At this moment in time it seems like they'll look to mostly
run it back with some moves on the margins/draft picks. Of course that could always change if some star asks out. Unless a deal presents itself by June 28 you probably have to pick up Bojan's option. I get this crashes us into the 2nd Apron, but like others have mentioned we can operate as a 2nd apron team because of the fact none of our contracts are bad at all. This could change when/if Randle signs an extension, but that wouldn't be until August at the earliest and they can put it off if they want.
Yup Stu looks like the same team with maybe a draft pick (if we keep one). Looks like no bargain studs out there. Unless you want Chicago’s headache. I just don’t see (or heard) anything of substance.
I dont think they can, it doesnt make sense to, picking up Bogies contract and keeping it on the books will put them into apron 2 and makes it nearly impossible to trade for a star..
They will make a deal, how big? who knows but they will make a deal
read as always from Fred Katz Link - ( New Window )
Yeah it was a good read. He made a great point that even the first apron is pretty restrictive in that trades have to be dollar for dollar making it near impossible for 2 teams over the 1st apron to make a trade with each other without getting a 3rd team involved.
wiggle room on an OG contract since IMO he's not a clear cut full max player. And maybe he wants a shorter deal so he can get an even bigger deal in 3 years? He's still pretty young. Rose better not f--k this up.
that he probably isn't taking less to stay with the Knicks. So his agents will go out and talk to the 76ers, they'll offer him higher than what the Knicks will and then the Knicks ultimately match that.
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Ryan Dunn
Virginia PF So
437
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Tyler Smith
G League Ignite PF 2004
438
NR
Bryan Antoine
Radford SG Sr
439
NR
Mohamed Diarra
North Carolina St C Jr
440
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Coleman Hawkins
Illinois PF Sr
441
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Joseph Girard III
Clemson PG Sr
442
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Andrija Jelavic
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443
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Malevy Leons
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Jahmir Young
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that he probably isn't taking less to stay with the Knicks. So his agents will go out and talk to the 76ers, they'll offer him higher than what the Knicks will and then the Knicks ultimately match that.
That's how I think it plays out.
One of his agents is Sam Rose, the other was hired by Leon Rose...
Think about it this way, thia report came out on Monday, they werent able to start negotiations until today but he is already mad?
offer him 4/182. But I'm curious if they'd really go near that number. Even if they sign him or get PG - they have to fill out the rest of their roster. Pretty much everyone on the team other than Embiid and Maxey is a free agent.
that he probably isn't taking less to stay with the Knicks. So his agents will go out and talk to the 76ers, they'll offer him higher than what the Knicks will and then the Knicks ultimately match that.
That's how I think it plays out.
One of his agents is Sam Rose, the other was hired by Leon Rose...
Think about it this way, thia report came out on Monday, they werent able to start negotiations until today but he is already mad?
Oh, the report is probably bullshit.
But I do think that his agents will talk to other teams, find the highest contract they can, and come back to the Knicks and allow them to match it.
Wouldn't surprise me if the standing offer is like 4/140 and he gets an offer for 4/160 and then the Knicks match.
I have confidence in this FO, there are questions about OG and his durability, so why start off with the highest offer. He is CAA and you know the Knicks will have an opportunity to match. Let's see if Philly or OKC or anyone actually makes an offer to OG.
what I can tell, that stems from the idea that OG wanted to be more involved in the offense, at times be the primary ball handler and Nurse didn't allow him to do so. Now if this bothered OG because he felt it was going to cost him money... but the Sixers make the highest bid, it probably won't matter. Who knows if it's even true?
All defense, no offense. Like 99th percentile defense, but 1 percentile offense Would you take someone like that in the first round and put him in the rotation?
Of course Jeffries’ defense was always more team than point of attack and Dunn is elite on both ends, while being way more athletic than Jeffries ever was. But when you have someone so inept on offense, it does give you pause.
and I saw may be moved is Dani Avdija. Still only 23, 15-7-4 on really good percentages. Tough, decent enough defender. Wizards still have Kuzma and now Coulibaly so may not be room for all 3? Locked into a really reasonable contract too.
with Murray -- and the reason he's gettable -- is you really need 3 things to happen:
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
with Murray -- and the reason he's gettable -- is you really need 3 things to happen:
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
I think there is a good enough culture and leadership for him to buy in and with his defense i think on a winning team it will go back to what it was..
but they could also be me being optimistic, i also thought Reddish would buy in when he was starting..
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
He was absolutely atrocious. It's only surprising because of the monster deal he got in the first place.
I also can't believe they let him bring on an assistant last week
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
RE: RE: RE: I think I am back on the Dejounte Murray bandwagon
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think I am back on the Dejounte Murray bandwagon
I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I think I am back on the Dejounte Murray bandwagon
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
Definitely. The question is was that a Hawks issue or a Murray issue?
The Knicks need Donte on the court because of his elite three-point shooting. Murray is a ball dominant guard who doesn't fit well with Trae Young...he wouldn't fit well with Jalen Brunson either. If the Knicks make a big move this summer, it's to replace Randle with an All-Star caliber wing like Paul George or Brandon Ingram. A big-time wing scorer is more valuable than an inefficient guard like Murray.
I don't see why we need to take a chance on a player like Murray.
won't trade Bridges. They're going absolutely nowhere. They need to blow it up.
I think he's better than what he showed last year. Who is going to produce when your PG is a combo of Dinwiddie and Schroeder and you have Cam Thomas chucking?
Who says no to this trade:
NYK Gets Bridges
BKN Gets Murray, 2025 NYK first, Detroit Protected first
ATL Gets Bojan, #24, 2025 MIL 1st, Washington Projected first
5 firsts seems like a lot to trade but none of them individually are that great.
Then draft Ryan Dunn at 25 and Ajay Mitchell at 38. Would be a nasty team.
There is a rumor going around/AJ can confirm or say its false
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Has to be one of the worst hires in sports history. Highest paid coach in the league combined with historical losing and zero development. What a colossal waste of money.
RE: There is a rumor going around/AJ can confirm or say its false
it seems like the origins of this rumor are all just because Mitch has "New Orleans" in his twitter bio..because he's from there.
This feels flimsy at best.
It's 100% based on that fact (and that's not a recent change) and the blogger who mentioned it has frequently thrown out trade "rumors" nobody else has. Seems like absolute BS to me.
guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
RE: RE: RE: There is a rumor going around/AJ can confirm or say its false
Knicks and Pelicans are talking trade involving Mitch
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
Nvm, disregard I just realized you said Pelicans. The ESPN article was Memphis
Kennard is actually a pretty useful player, but I'm not sure for this team specifically. He's not an upgrade over Divincenzo and he's not the guy to run the second unit.
The picks are interesting and if they could swap Kennard for Caruso or someone like that I'd definitely be interested.
guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
Brian Windhorst says to monitor Paul George’s situation in LA
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
guess no harm in asking but Houston was never doing this lol
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
Really doubt it was a long conversation. Like I said, no harm in asking but yeah lol
Brian Windhorst says to monitor Paul George’s situation in LA
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
Are we 100% sure this is all because the Clippers are low balling him? I wonder if there's a little bit of want on PG's end to leave. He just said yesterday:
“It’s not even about ‘chasing a championship’ but it’s playing the right style of basketball is what I’m chasing.”
Whatever that means. I can't imagine that the right style of basketball is what they're offering in Philly either.
how Kawhi/George have been together for 5 years in LA now with only 1 WCF appearance to show for it. And Kawhi didn't even play in that WCF, so as a duo it doesn't even count lol.
Kawhi is going to go down as one of the most interesting historical players ever. Dominant player at his best, but always hurt.
I still can't see George leave him, although he really would look good next to Embiid/Maxey in Philly.
Jonathan Givony
@DraftExpress
NEWS: Dayton big man DaRon Holmes has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN.
(liked him for the Knicks)
-As for the Sixers, I'm going to predict they deal for Butler
BREAKING: The Chicago Bulls are trading two-time All-Defensive guard Alex Caruso to the Oklahoma City Thunder for guard Josh Giddey, sources tell ESPN.
BREAKING: The Chicago Bulls are trading two-time All-Defensive guard Alex Caruso to the Oklahoma City Thunder for guard Josh Giddey, sources tell ESPN.
Love that for OKC. Chicago really should've went the pick route in a Caruso trade but they seem hellbent on making that play in year after year
just a really great defensive player and glue guy. That OKC team is looking dangerous as hell. Still need another big body at Center but very good looking team.
Baylor Scheierman working out for the Knicks...but he can really ball. I did watch some Creighton last year and knew he could shoot but didn't realize he averaged 9 boards and 4 assists.
Baylor Scheierman working out for the Knicks...but he can really ball. I did watch some Creighton last year and knew he could shoot but didn't realize he averaged 9 boards and 4 assists.
Maybe profiles as a young Joe Ingles?
I think you can find a really good role player in this draft, people are down on it because of no stars
I’m going to be pretty disappointed if the Knicks don’t end up with him next week. I think they can develop him into a serviceable offensive player, and he’s got all defense potential.
I really like Jamal Shead out of Houston as well. He’d be a nice replacement for Deuce if they ever have to include him as a part of a trade.
Dunn is the kind of high upside swing you want to be taking with the 25th pick in a weak draft.
Has a somewhat stable floor of defensive guru and cutter and if he develops a serviceable shot all of a sudden you have a cost controlled guy right in that 3 & D archetype. OG is about to make 40 mil, having someone in that ilk developing as his backup is only good business.
You don't even have to play him, just hire a private shooting coach and then go hang in the Maldives for 3 years and get a trillion shots up.
How high can we trade up if we package our second rounder
Evan Sidery
@esidery
Goga Bitadze, the No. 18 overall pick from 2019 draft, is a player many contending teams are targeting as a backup big option on the veteran’s minimum market.
The Clippers, Heat, Kings, Knicks, Mavericks, Pelicans and Suns are teams expected to show interest in Bitadze.
Bitadze averaged 5.0 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2 blocks in 15.4 minutes per game for the Magic.
Evan Sidery
@esidery
Goga Bitadze, the No. 18 overall pick from 2019 draft, is a player many contending teams are targeting as a backup big option on the veteran’s minimum market.
The Clippers, Heat, Kings, Knicks, Mavericks, Pelicans and Suns are teams expected to show interest in Bitadze.
Bitadze averaged 5.0 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2 blocks in 15.4 minutes per game for the Magic.
YES. Give me Goga.
He's an elite shot blocker and not a complete stiff offensively. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the Magic insisted on playing WCJ over him.
If we traded Mitch for something of value and replaced him with Goga for a fraction of the cost I'd be thrilled.
Baylor Scheierman working out for the Knicks...but he can really ball. I did watch some Creighton last year and knew he could shoot but didn't realize he averaged 9 boards and 4 assists.
Maybe profiles as a young Joe Ingles?
I think you can find a really good role player in this draft, people are down on it because of no stars
Yeah I agree I'm actually pretty excited about most of the names that seem to slot in around where the Knicks are picking
but I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens:
“While getting OG Anunoby for $30 million per season would have been the dream for New York, expect the 26-year-old to sign a five-year, $200 million contract instead.” Link - ( New Window )
Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
but I wouldn't be surprised if this is what happens:
“While getting OG Anunoby for $30 million per season would have been the dream for New York, expect the 26-year-old to sign a five-year, $200 million contract instead.” Link - ( New Window )
Yeah that's a big gulp but you gotta swallow and pay it. We pursued the guy for 2 seasons and we saw the affect he had on winning. Just gotta pray he stays healthy for a championship run at some point.
Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
I would pass on PG. Not a good fit with this culture here.
Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Bleacher Report's latest 2024 NBA Mock Draft has the Knicks trading Mitchell Robinson and the No. 24 pick to New Orleans for Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 6 pick.
The Knicks are mocked to select UConn's Stephon Castle at No. 6, and Dayton's DaRon Holmes at No. 25.
The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Bleacher Report's latest 2024 NBA Mock Draft has the Knicks trading Mitchell Robinson and the No. 24 pick to New Orleans for Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 6 pick.
The Knicks are mocked to select UConn's Stephon Castle at No. 6, and Dayton's DaRon Holmes at No. 25.
Thoughts?
Quote:
Bleacher Report is just so bad.
Jon In NYC : 9:24 am : link : reply
They published a Mock Draft that has the Knicks trading Mitch and 24 to New Orleans for 6 and Larry Nance.
The problem? The Pelicans don't own the 6th pick. The Hornets do.
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Paul George could opt in and request a trade to his preferred destination, per
@WindhorstESPN
“[Clippers] have not been willing to meet Paul George’s price. He remains un-signed. You can’t just look at teams with salary cap space. If Paul George changes teams, it’s very likely going to be a situation where he opts into his contract and requests a trade.”
Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
I dont think you can make the deak without Randle
Mitch, Bogie, and Deuce for PG works in the trade machine. That's probably as high as I'd go.
is from yesterday but I actually think Windy makes some good nuanced points about the Knicks and does call the Knicks the best fit out of the Clippers/Sixers/Knicks. And Windy is pretty plugged in. Link - ( New Window )
Heard something similar to the Yahoo report on NYK's Mitchell Robinson. In NYK talks about potential trades, Robinson's name has come up. Don't think NYK is fully committed to moving him but his salary (2 years left on 4-year $60M descending contract) is valuable potential deals
@TheDunkCentral
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“Jimmy Butler will be traded. Rival executives have been buzzing about it for months, for all the obvious reasons. Butler is about to turn 35 (with a lot of hard miles and a lot of injuries)”
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@HowardBeck
when asked who will be the biggest star to change teams this summer
the zgeorge sruff fasicnates me even if the Knicks arent involved, Sixers basically take themselves out before it starts, Report now that George will opt in and request a trade, that in reality takes out the Magic..no reason to opt in if he wants the magic..
I see a lot of people quoting BR implying they are reporting OG is coming back 5 for 200. They are not. They have one *prediction* for every team and that’s one for the Knicks
that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
Nevermind just saw it. That seems like extremely reckless reporting which is Fisher's MO. He took 19 shots in his last full game a Knick. That's not enough?
that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
Nevermind just saw it. That seems like extremely reckless reporting which is Fisher's MO. He took 19 shots in his last full game a Knick. That's not enough?
Fischer is a Philly guy, he seems to be doing their bidding this offseason
that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
Nevermind just saw it. That seems like extremely reckless reporting which is Fisher's MO. He took 19 shots in his last full game a Knick. That's not enough?
Fischer is a Philly guy, he seems to be doing their bidding this offseason
There is some smoke on the OG thing with the Knicks, from what I heard. He feels he has them by the balls and is playing hardball. I’m not sure Philly is the threat Fischer makes them out to be. Do they need a player as injury prone as Embid? However, who is to say all parties are not looking into 3 team deals. I’ll let AJ opine some more , but I have heard there is smoke to OG being difficult. The 4th option thing is a bit of nonsense as hart prefers to not shoot and Donte is very unselfish.
I've long thought that a deal around PG and Randle would make sense for both parties. I guess it'll come down to how LAC feels about Randle. Losing PG would be a massive loss for them given that they've pushed all their chips into winning now but Randle can play with Harden and Kawhi and he's younger and (usually) healthier than those guys.
There is some smoke on the OG thing with the Knicks, from what I heard. He feels he has them by the balls and is playing hardball. I’m not sure Philly is the threat Fischer makes them out to be. Do they need a player as injury prone as Embid? However, who is to say all parties are not looking into 3 team deals. I’ll let AJ opine some more , but I have heard there is smoke to OG being difficult. The 4th option thing is a bit of nonsense as hart prefers to not shoot and Donte is very unselfish.
I don't get this. Rose's son is playing hardball with Rose? Imo more likely is that this is all an effort to avoid any issues the league might have with the Rose's after they got hit with the tampering charge for Brunson
Gotta think that Randle and Robinson would both be shipped out for cap reasons, no?
Just fwiw:
Guessing that the Clips would want Randle.
PG is a free agent so they have little leverage. It's either our pupu platter or he goes for nothing.
We may have to add a first or two but I think we could get it done without Randle.
Randle, PG, OG, Brunson and IHart don't really work. PG and OG are wings, not guards. I can't see the Knicks trading for PG and re-signing OG while keeping Randle.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re-signing Hartenstein and OG and acquiring PG13?
Randle, PG, OG, Brunson and IHart don't really work. PG and OG are wings, not guards. I can't see the Knicks trading for PG and re-signing OG while keeping Randle.
No reason PG can't play SG though
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re-signing Hartenstein and OG and acquiring PG13?
Randle, PG, OG, Brunson and IHart don't really work. PG and OG are wings, not guards. I can't see the Knicks trading for PG and re-signing OG while keeping Randle.
No reason PG can't play SG though
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re-signing Hartenstein and OG and acquiring PG13?
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re-signing Hartenstein and OG and acquiring PG13?
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re-signing Hartenstein and OG and acquiring PG13?
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
I’ve been hoping for a PG trade for a couple of years.
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
Every accomplishment you just mentioned was done as a wing/forward. He's not a shooting guard, never has been and certainly isn't going to morph into one at 34.
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
Every accomplishment you just mentioned was done as a wing/forward. He's not a shooting guard, never has been and certainly isn't going to morph into one at 34.
Saying he’s never been a sg is just factually incorrect. He was for the majority of his time in Indiana playing next to Danny Granger.
But either way it’s a far more position less game than it used to be. In fact I bet he’d end up guarding a fair share of PGs and hiding Brunson on a wing.
Or you have OG guard the guard and move PG to the wing. Either way if you have two elite defensive wings that’s a great spot to be in.
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
Every accomplishment you just mentioned was done as a wing/forward. He's not a shooting guard, never has been and certainly isn't going to morph into one at 34.
Saying he’s never been a sg is just factually incorrect. He was for the majority of his time in Indiana playing next to Danny Granger.
But either way it’s a far more position less game than it used to be. In fact I bet he’d end up guarding a fair share of PGs and hiding Brunson on a wing.
Or you have OG guard the guard and move PG to the wing. Either way if you have two elite defensive wings that’s a great spot to be in.
Agree to disagree. I understand modern basketball. It's split up into bigs, wings and guards. OG and PG are wings. Referencing what PG did at Indiana a decade ago doesn't move the needle for me. I still don't see a fit with IHart, Randle, OG, and George. Maxey, Donovan Mitchell, Haliburton type guards will be very problematic because they won't have a defender quick enough laterally to guard them.
Pete, safe to assume Knicks won’t be in on Durant?
Phoenix does not want to trade him, but reuniting KAT with Booker would ease some of the pain and might even improve them. I have heard Durant wants either Minne or GS, too much baggage with NYK, but you never know. I’d be shocked if this deal happened but very reliable source, who I forced it out of.
averaged 23ppg, shot 41% from three, 90% from the FT line, and is a perennial All-Star isn’t a fit? The “perfect” fits aren’t available to us, and the time is now to go for the ring.
averaged 23ppg, shot 41% from three, 90% from the FT line, and is a perennial All-Star isn’t a fit? The “perfect” fits aren’t available to us, and the time is now to go for the ring.
5 years ago...when we first heard rumblings
Not anymore
He's not the dominant player he was 5 years ago but even at 34 he's the exact type of player a team competing for a championship needs. If the Knicks get him without giving up Randle or other core guys (i.e. Robinson, Bogey and a some first rounders), it would be an absolute steal. We would instantly become a top contender next year if we resign Hart and OG.
Does anyone know if PG opts in and gets traded, how long
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Sign me up. Honestly I'd be in no rush to give him an extension. Let him opt in and we could take it from there. In this restrictive apron environment I don't know with his age if the 4 year mega deal is out there and that may be why we're hearing rumors that he'll go the opt-in and trade route as opposed to signing a FA deal.
makes you wonder if they are close and thats why Philly backed out
In all seriousness, when I saw that report I assumed that LAC has the parameters of a deal worked out with another team already. Could also be 2-3 teams who can give LAC packages they prefer to whatever Philly can/will put together. Then of course there's the possibility that Philly leaked that to gain leverage in negotiations. There's a few possibilities here
I wouldn’t give up much in the way of draft capital. Certainly not if Randle is in the deal. Mitch, Bojan and a protected 1st or two is good value for LAC who risks losing him for nothing.
Possibly related, possibly not but based on who they’ve worked out, it doesn’t seem like they’re planning to use both 1sts unless there are more workouts this week with potential 1st round guys.
Sign me up. Honestly I'd be in no rush to give him an extension. Let him opt in and we could take it from there. In this restrictive apron environment I don't know with his age if the 4 year mega deal is out there and that may be why we're hearing rumors that he'll go the opt-in and trade route as opposed to signing a FA deal.
PGs opt in is 48.8 mil. I believe if they take back more than they send out then they are hard capped.
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
RE: RE: I wouldn’t like George if it meant losing Randle
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
I don’t think that’s true?
Knicks aren’t even a luxury tax team technically so they can take back more money than they send out. I agree I’m not trading Randle but I would trade Mitch Bogie and Deuce which I believe should be enough to make the cap work.
RE: RE: I wouldn’t like George if it meant losing Randle
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
Clippers cant take on more than George's salary, if they wrre trying to trade eith another apron team they would have to match 100% but the Knicks are not an apron team so the Knicks can take on a little bit more..
Clippers can not sign and trade him so thats why it would be an opt in and trade
George is going to want a deal in place before he opts in, kind of like Porzingis last year..
100%. Otherwise he’d take the deal LAC already offered him (he still might). Thats one reason I’m not sure the Knicks would wind up pulling the trigger. You’ll have to pay him til he’s 38.
I am wondering if the pendulum has swung a bit too much
Maybe he's not a top 10 guy anymore but he just played 75 games, had career highs in FG%, 3PT% and shot 91% from the FT line. Lost to the eventual West Champs in 6 without Kawhi.
He's the oldest guy on this list by 7 years, which is obviously important context, but not only is he right there with the best shooting guards in the league, he both shot the most efficiently and is the best defender out of this group (Mikal is up there too on defense)
if the Knicks get him he isnt coming here to be their 1a maybe not even the 1b, yes he is going to be paid a lot but his role on the team is what he is perfect for and if you can keep Randle you become the best team in the NBA next to the celtics
I’m going to find those old starting lineup graphics from the Phil Jackson era with Lou Amundson and Alexey Shved and compare it to Brunson-PG-OG-Randle-Hartenstein, and have myself a good cry.
I did have this thought specifically for the Celtics. Randle has usually done pretty well against KP back when teams were still shoehorning him in as a 4.
Basically as strong a matchup as you can have defensively for Brown and Tatum.
Leverage? In order for LA to play ball with an opt in and trade they have to think there’s a possibility they could lose him outright. Is it really believable he would ball for the Pistons or Jazz? Maybe the he feigns some interest in San Antonio or Orlando?
RE: With Philly supposedly bowing out, who is the team PG would use for
Leverage? In order for LA to play ball with an opt in and trade they have to think there’s a possibility they could lose him outright. Is it really believable he would ball for the Pistons or Jazz? Maybe the he feigns some interest in San Antonio or Orlando?
Its probably Orlando or it has just come to a point that they arent going to sign him to the deal he wants and they want to get something back that is useful for them
At least according to Seth Partniw at The Athletic. For several years he has group ranked the top 125 players in the NBA. That is: he doesn’t rank them 1-125, but groups them into 5 tiers (1-5), as well as sub tiers (A, B and C). Higher tiers contain fewer players - only 6 players grouped in tier 1.
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
At least according to Seth Partniw at The Athletic. For several years he has group ranked the top 125 players in the NBA. That is: he doesn’t rank them 1-125, but groups them into 5 tiers (1-5), as well as sub tiers (A, B and C). Higher tiers contain fewer players - only 6 players grouped in tier 1.
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
Here’s a (paywalled) link:
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I was prepared to be more upset at the Randle tier than I am. It's the same tier as Sabonis, Bane, KAT, Scottie Barnes are on. If anything it's probably too generous for Hart.
In fact I'd say it's also interesting that OG is the tier above that group.
It's pretty wild that PG could be on the cards for what amounts to our 8th (Bogie) and 9th (Mitch) best players
Shams reported that the Sixers interest in Paul George has waned and are moving on and being agressive with their cap space and drsft capital leading up to the drsft
Mikal but only because of his age, health, and contract. With that said, there’s no world in which the packages would be the same. Given what I’d imagine they’d likely be, I prefer PG.
says people around the league think the Nets would trsde Mikal to Knicks if they overpay
The Nets are so laughably pathetic. This kind of thing is the definition of little brother syndrome. And nobody on the planet even asked them to be the little brother, they decided all by themselves that they thought it would be a good idea to move into NYC and “take over the city”. Now, they are petrified to trade players to the Knicks because they play in the same city but nobody on the planet even recognizes the Nets as a New York team. They are an afterthought and passing on a better deal because they worry about the Knicks being in the same city is embarrassing as shit
Probably Memphis. I get that it’s a weak draft but I can’t see them giving up Kennard and a first for Mitch.
Fair. I stole this part from an espn suggested trade idea but I think they also had a first gong back to the Grizz. Could definitely see the Clippers interested in getting Kennard back.
Another trusted source has advised me to keep the Knicks on the list as a potential trade suitor for George if the All-NBA swingman indeed opts into the final season of his current contract at $48.8 million. That step would position George to push for a trade to another team
Another trusted source has advised me to keep the Knicks on the list as a potential trade suitor for George if the All-NBA swingman indeed opts into the final season of his current contract at $48.8 million. That step would position George to push for a trade to another team
Another trusted source has advised me to keep the Knicks on the list as a potential trade suitor for George if the All-NBA swingman indeed opts into the final season of his current contract at $48.8 million. That step would position George to push for a trade to another team
are two of the best with NBA whispers - Woj and Shams typically just break the news when it’s official. Both have mentioned PG and the Knicks in recent days.
Count me in on Avidja or Kispert being on our radar
are two of the best with NBA whispers - Woj and Shams typically just break the news when it’s official. Both have mentioned PG and the Knicks in recent days.
Yeah they talk about teams and players you listen they wont report it but when they talk they arent doing it without some sort of sourced info..
Windhorst didnt jist mention the Knicks out of thin air
are two of the best with NBA whispers - Woj and Shams typically just break the news when it’s official. Both have mentioned PG and the Knicks in recent days.
Yeah they talk about teams and players you listen they wont report it but when they talk they arent doing it without some sort of sourced info..
Windhorst didnt jist mention the Knicks out of thin air
Yeah same with Kendrick Perkins and AD. He is definitely hearing something from his camp. He has been non stop. The latest this past week was that if things don't work out early with Reddick he could ask out and that he's annoyed because Reddick left him off his ballot for the all defensive team.
are two of the best with NBA whispers - Woj and Shams typically just break the news when it’s official. Both have mentioned PG and the Knicks in recent days.
Yeah they talk about teams and players you listen they wont report it but when they talk they arent doing it without some sort of sourced info..
Windhorst didnt jist mention the Knicks out of thin air
Yeah same with Kendrick Perkins and AD. He is definitely hearing something from his camp. He has been non stop. The latest this past week was that if things don't work out early with Reddick he could ask out and that he's annoyed because Reddick left him off his ballot for the all defensive team.
person who really doesn't care about the money? Unless they basically do nothing they're going to be a second apron team. That's not the death penalty. Do you know who else is a second apron team? The reigning champs the Celtics and they're about to pay Tatum 60 mil a year.
Trade for George. Extend him for the 4 years he wants, Give iHart as much as you can, give OG 5/200. You just have to wait it out a bit because the cap is going to keep going up at increasingly rapid rates but soon it'll normalize.
But this is your core either way for 3-4 years and that's great, go bring home a chip.
person who really doesn't care about the money? Unless they basically do nothing they're going to be a second apron team. That's not the death penalty. Do you know who else is a second apron team? The reigning champs the Celtics and they're about to pay Tatum 60 mil a year.
Trade for George. Extend him for the 4 years he wants, Give iHart as much as you can, give OG 5/200. You just have to wait it out a bit because the cap is going to keep going up at increasingly rapid rates but soon it'll normalize.
But this is your core either way for 3-4 years and that's great, go bring home a chip.
it’s the most talented Knicks team since the championship teams of Clyde and Willis. Give him his contract so he’s happy, and take a few swings with this group.
person who really doesn't care about the money? Unless they basically do nothing they're going to be a second apron team. That's not the death penalty. Do you know who else is a second apron team? The reigning champs the Celtics and they're about to pay Tatum 60 mil a year.
Trade for George. Extend him for the 4 years he wants, Give iHart as much as you can, give OG 5/200. You just have to wait it out a bit because the cap is going to keep going up at increasingly rapid rates but soon it'll normalize.
But this is your core either way for 3-4 years and that's great, go bring home a chip.
Bingo. Also I get it's tough for 2 apron teams to do a trade with eachother because it has to be dollar for dollar, so you get a 3rd or 4th team involved that has space. So what the league has been doing this for decades
To opt-in and extend. The cap/aprons are only gonna go up and up and this off season and maybe up to the trade deadline are our chances to add. Keeping him at that opt-in # this year could really help no?
RE: You know the Knicks should offer the motherload for OG
To opt-in and extend. The cap/aprons are only gonna go up and up and this off season and maybe up to the trade deadline are our chances to add. Keeping him at that opt-in # this year could really help no?
it’s the most talented Knicks team since the championship teams of Clyde and Willis. Give him his contract so he’s happy, and take a few swings with this group.
If we add PG13, the expectations are a ticket tape parade IMO. That's a team that can win the whole damn thing.
I agree. Cs should be formidable, but all other Eastern teams have ? marks. The West is a bitch though. I still think Nuggets win it all if they get past Minnesota.
in play that I haven't heard talked about which is...PG wants the Knicks. He's wanted to go to NY the entire time. He said he loves Thibs. I attached a video below about his take on this version of NYK.
That's why he hasn't signed, that's why Philly is looking elsewhere. He's trying to force a move to the Knicks Link - ( New Window )
in play that I haven't heard talked about which is...PG wants the Knicks. He's wanted to go to NY the entire time. He said he loves Thibs. I attached a video below about his take on this version of NYK.
That's why he hasn't signed, that's why Philly is looking elsewhere. He's trying to force a move to the Knicks Link - ( New Window )
I could see it, he also made a comment about having a team eith structure and asystem
in play that I haven't heard talked about which is...PG wants the Knicks. He's wanted to go to NY the entire time. He said he loves Thibs. I attached a video below about his take on this version of NYK.
That's why he hasn't signed, that's why Philly is looking elsewhere. He's trying to force a move to the Knicks Link - ( New Window )
Someone told Philly they werent in it, i dont believe for a second it was Philly's choice to back off..
of Paul George to the Knicks. As someone said above: Meh.
Devin Booker, yes. PG, okay, I guess. Lauri Markkanen would help.
There are KD rumors too. I don't much want him, either.
And why do these trade packages with Randle treat him as if he's an average starter who has to be packaged with 4 firsts to sweeten a deal? He's a goddam All-Star. Why don't other teams have to sweeten the deal to land Julius Randle?
a PG deal or any deal will have to happen before OG signs or else the Knicks will become a first apron team which restricts the amount of money they can take back relative to what they send out more prohibitively.
a PG deal or any deal will have to happen before OG signs or else the Knicks will become a first apron team which restricts the amount of money they can take back relative to what they send out more prohibitively.
When deals are broken by Woj or Shams doesnt really matter it is the order in which the Knicks make them official..
For exmaple OG can be broken today and George broken Wednesday or thursday but then when they become official they announce George first and then OG
I'd be a complete liar if I said I was extremely knowledgable regarding Goga Bitadze but his advanced numbers are strong 17.8 PER, .186 WS/48 in 2024 +60% from the field and 1.2 blocks over only 15 minutes (top 20 in the NBA)
I'd be a complete liar if I said I was extremely knowledgable regarding Goga Bitadze but his advanced numbers are strong 17.8 PER, .186 WS/48 in 2024 +60% from the field and 1.2 blocks over only 15 minutes (top 20 in the NBA)
Goga is great. He gave the Knicks a lot of trouble. I’m fully onboard with him as a backup big.
I’ve come around on this and think it would be a really good move. The cost wouldn’t be crazy and the Knicks would be loaded with him as the 3rd option. Hes still a really good defender and would be a seamless fit.
The age is a bit of a concern but the young perfect superstar is probably not going to be available and getable. Now is the time to take a big swing. This roster with George can win a title.
It makes a lot of sense for him too. I wouldn’t want to be hitching my wagon to Kawhi the next few years.
I’ve come around on this and think it would be a really good move. The cost wouldn’t be crazy and the Knicks would be loaded with him as the 3rd option. Hes still a really good defender and would be a seamless fit.
The age is a bit of a concern but the young perfect superstar is probably not going to be available and getable. Now is the time to take a big swing. This roster with George can win a title.
It makes a lot of sense for him too. I wouldn’t want to be hitching my wagon to Kawhi the next few years.
What would trade package look like?
Probably the core trade is Mitch, Bogie and 2-3 first rounders. Hopefully you can keep Deuce out of the deal
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
Keep in mind the Knicks have a 6.8 mill trade exception and Shake Milton is due 5 mill next season.
RE: RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
Keep in mind the Knicks have a 6.8 mill trade exception and Shake Milton is due 5 mill next season.
The trade exception is useless in this scenario, can't be combined with anything else. Re: Milton, Detroit bought him out of that contract and the Knicks signed him to a 1 year vet min deal
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Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.
ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
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Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.
ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
Lol in the past week every guy has "played there way out of the Knicks range". Well somebody has to be there, they all can't get drafted in the first 23 picks.
not calling BS, this is a shitty draft and Dunn is elite level at 50% of the game but it *appears* either the Knicks truly love Dunn made this extremely obvious, and it would behoove teams ahead of them to feign interest and turn the Knicks into potential trade partners OR this has been a smokescreen.
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@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.
ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
They have the Knicks taking Collier with one of their picks. Would love that as a developmental, high upside swing. Hard t see him falling that far though
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Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
.
ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
They have the Knicks taking Collier with one of their picks. Would love that as a developmental, high upside swing. Hard t see him falling that far though
Generally speaking when I see fans of multiple teams hoping "player X" who is a high upside, "lottery ticket" type to fall to them, said player ends up going a lot higher than people expect.
Oh yeah, I agree. This is a weird draft though, so
it wouldn’t shock me. Plus Givony who’s pretty plugged in continues to drop him in his mocks
For sure. I'm not saying he has no shot of being there when they pick. I just see him mentioned as a popular "lottery ticket" "huge upside" guy from multiple fan bases, more so than some other players. The Ringer has him in the Knicks range (19th)
RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..
You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
RE: RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..
You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
Where are you getting the $166M from? The sites I've seen don't include OG's cap hold once he opts out today, does your projection account for that? In that scenario, even if they moved fast before actually inking iHart and OG, a deal for George without Randle would hard cap them at the first apron.
The only other possibility aside from maybe the sign draft picks, wait a month and trade path would be a 3-team trade where Precious goes to a third team in a sign and trade who sends outgoing salary to LAC to match George's contract.
RE: RE: I've been messing with the numbers, and barring
Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..
You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
Yeah absolutely. With all due respect we look at numbers but we're not NBA capologists. The Knicks have so many moving parts this off season that we have no way of knowing the order they get done or structures of the contracts and what this all means in relation to a potential trade. We can look at Sportac all we want but Rose and his staff have proven to be very adept and punching in #'s that help make everything work.
I just saw this from Windhorst so if the Knicks were to move really
Should New York lose Hartenstein in free agency to a higher offer elsewhere, several centers are on their radar as potential replacements, including free agents Goga Bitadze, Jonas Valanciunas, and Nick Richards, who would be a trade target, league sources told HoopsHype. There’s also an outside chance the Knicks make a run at Andre Drummond, sources said.
is almost like Mobley where it's been more of a slow burn than bursting on the scene offensively but I'd happily hitch my wagon to either one, even if neither one becomes a 30 ppg scorer (I'm not even ruling that out for a pair of 22 year olds).
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Brunson chose to come to the Knicks, he signed on long term with the Knicks because he wanted to join the Knicks. He grew up around the team, he's known Leon Rose for most of his life, went to college "locally", dad on the coaching staff. OG was traded to the Knicks. There are not similar situations (and it should be noted, Brunson has yet to actually take less, it's being suggested he might, further... it's a story because it's so unusual, not the expectation or the norm). Should other Knicks players expect FA's to sign here "for less"? OG played 23 regular season games as a Knick.
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Brunson chose to come to the Knicks, he signed on long term with the Knicks because he wanted to join the Knicks. He grew up around the team, he's known Leon Rose for most of his life, went to college "locally", dad on the coaching staff. OG was traded to the Knicks. There are not similar situations (and it should be noted, Brunson has yet to actually take less, it's being suggested he might, further... it's a story because it's so unusual, not the expectation or the norm). Should other Knicks players expect FA's to sign here "for less"? OG played 23 regular season games as a Knick.
Brunson also makes money off the court as a Knick and after this past season there will only be more money to be made there. Barring a significant improvement offensively (and even then I'm skeptical given his personality), OG won't have those same opportunities.
Under the prior CBA, the Knicks could use owner James Dolan's deep resources to keep this group together after making it to the second round of the playoffs for a second straight year. Now, the Knicks have some difficult choices ahead.
If the Knicks re-sign both center Isaiah Hartenstein and forward OG Anunoby and don't cut any salary, they'll be far into the second apron, limiting their ability to make a big swing for a star. As a result, New York could cut salary by trading their other center, Mitchell Robinson, or by moving on from Bojan Bogdanovic's partially guaranteed deal. Link - ( New Window )
As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
OG Anunoby has declined his $19.9 million player option for next season, a league source tells The Athletic, an expected move. Anunoby will now officially become an unrestricted free agent this summer. Free agency begins June 30.
As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
Doesn't matter now since he already opted out, but you can. They did it last year with Hart Link - ( New Window )
@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..
I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..
I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
I believe the new second apron rules don't go into effect until 7/1, no? Might be why Windhorst said he thinks this is going to come to a head very soon.
@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..
I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
I believe the new second apron rules don't go into effect until 7/1, no? Might be why Windhorst said he thinks this is going to come to a head very soon.
. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
RE: Also, if/when Klay walks, they'd be under the second apron
. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
RE: RE: Also, if/when Klay walks, they'd be under the second apron
. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
RE: Getting into a bidding war with the Warriors would be so frustrating.
The Knicks definitely have the better situation but who knows what PG wants. I really hope we can keep Randle out of this.
You have a right to be frustrated with that because George’s family is all in Cali and he has said he loves being able to play while having them at all the games. San Fran is a lot closer to LA than NY, lol. The Warriors could be a legit threat here
RE: RE: RE: Also, if/when Klay walks, they'd be under the second apron
. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
Wiggins is terrible, like really bad and his contract is awful, 3 more years above 26 million a year..
The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
I agree re. them wanting to remain relevant while Steph is there & I suspect he'll never go elsewhere because of how much he means to that franchise & fan base. I just looked it up...he's 36. & again-while still a top player-I don't see him hanging around until he's 40 or so like LBJ.
The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
They should trade steph, they could get an absolute haul in picks and players....
RE: RE: RE: RE: Also, if/when Klay walks, they'd be under the second apron
What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
I'm not so sure about that. I think the Wiggins contract is a negative asset right now and if the Knicks wanted to include them, have many more tradeable 1st round picks.
I'm skeptical that there's a way to make any deal work without Randle, but if there is one it has to include Deuce. Outside of Kuminga and Randle, that would be the best asset either team would put in the deal.
The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
They should trade steph, they could get an absolute haul in picks and players....
I agree 100% but I’m guessing ownership would be too petrified of the fan backlash
I don't disagree re. taking emotion out of it, but I just can't see it happening. If I was Dunleavy, I'd just blow it up & start fresh. But I can't imagine they do that.
if they trade for George they are really dumb, they arent going to be that much better with George lol, they arent winning the west..
Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol
The Warriors won 46 games last year, it’s not like they were a bad team. They were also very good the second half of the year after a slow start to the season. Dallas made the finals after a 50 win season, as good as the West is, anything can happen.
I don’t think it’s crazy at all for them to think that they can be in the mix next year by upgrading from Klay to George and getting another year of development from guys like Podziemski, Kuminga or whoever they don’t send out for PG.
if they trade for George they are really dumb, they arent going to be that much better with George lol, they arent winning the west..
Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol
The Warriors won 46 games last year, it’s not like they were a bad team. They were also very good the second half of the year after a slow start to the season. Dallas made the finals after a 50 win season, as good as the West is, anything can happen.
I don’t think it’s crazy at all for them to think that they can be in the mix next year by upgrading from Klay to George and getting another year of development from guys like Podziemski, Kuminga or whoever they don’t send out for PG.
36 year old Curry, 34 year old George and 34yearold Green aren’t coming remotely close to coming out of the West. The conference is absolutely loaded with young teams that will continue to get better. No chance. Come on now
is the real test to see how badly PG wants a title. Go play at home with your fam and hit the play in or go to the 2nd best team in the opposing conference.
Ultimately he still has all the leverage if he wants it by just telling teams he won't extend there.
Knicks are trying to combine their picks to move up into the teens..
He also said the Knicks continue to try and tlak to the Nets about Mikal Bridges
Oh hell yeah maybe there's someone they really like. Devin Carter is as Thibsian as it gets.
I haven't really been attention to the top of the draft but people seem to think Ron Holland will drop and aren't sure why. But he's another wing they may like.
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
That beginning just blew my mind. Clippers can't get hard capped so they can pay Harden. Plus Knicks can't get hard capped to the first to pay everyone. This CBA sucks
RE: RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
That beginning just blew my mind. Clippers can't get hard capped so they can pay Harden. Plus Knicks can't get hard capped to the first to pay everyone. This CBA sucks
Yeah its insane how you have to jump through all these hoops to make a deal work, i like to think i am lretty good with knowing the cap but these new rules are crazy
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
Hmmm well not drop dead in love with it, but don't hate it. It's a lot to give up. I like Deni's versatility to his game. Sort of like OG lite. Can play small ball 4 and 3. PG/OG/Deni gives you a hell of a lot of versatility. Thing is I love Thibs, but he's pretty rote and set in his ways. He's stubborn at times. Would be interesting to see if embraces the lineup versatility.
RE: RE: What is the point of trading Randle for PG?
Fit, george is a better player, better matchup to beat Boston...
Also are you paying Randle 45 to 50 million next year?
George is NEVER healthy, much older, and will be getting paid a ton as well. I am all for moving Randle but it doesn't make sense for PG imo. I also don't agree with the better fit. Randle played great with Brunson last year and everyone knows I am not a big Randle fan.
RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
I can’t see Washington trading Deni for that package
RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
This would be an unbelievable trade. I am going to keep beating the drum that Deni is really good and is definitely the third best player in that trade.
RE: RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
I can’t see Washington trading Deni for that package
Obviously draft picks would be involved
RE: RE: What is the point of trading Randle for PG?
“A league source indicated no immediate announcement was expected, but by the time that Anunoby can sign a new deal June 30 it’s hard to imagine it won’t get done”
RE: RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
This would be an unbelievable trade. I am going to keep beating the drum that Deni is really good and is definitely the third best player in that trade.
Found this which I think is interesting. Per 36 nearly identical in Rebounds and Assists and literally the exact same TS%. And Deni is 6 years younger.
RE: RE: RE: Knicks film school is doing a Cap podcast figureing out how the money
works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
This would be an unbelievable trade. I am going to keep beating the drum that Deni is really good and is definitely the third best player in that trade.
Found this which I think is interesting. Per 36 nearly identical in Rebounds and Assists and literally the exact same TS%. And Deni is 6 years younger.
I think it’s fair to point out however that he’s generally getting those numbers against smaller defenders as he’s a SF while Julius is going against bigger bodies. If he replaces Randle is his being 30-40 lbs lighter than Randle going to impact his production? I don’t know the answer and Thibs is the guy to figure it out but I just think it’s worth noting
Leon Rose's daughter posted a picture of him "working the phones" last night. It may mean nothing but as most offseason shit goes, everyone is looking for hints to things going down.
I think the implication is Leon is working hard on trades and maybe something is close?
I do think we're in the window where any minute now a trade can be announced. Would not surprise me at all if all sides wanted this done before the draft so picks can be made with the future roster state in mind.
I think the implication is Leon is working hard on trades and maybe something is close?
I do think we're in the window where any minute now a trade can be announced. Would not surprise me at all if all sides wanted this done before the draft so picks can be made with the future roster state in mind.
I think George trade couod be announced today, tomorrow or thursday, i think George and the clippers will want the deal done with a couple of days to spare just in case..
a Mikal Bridges if its going to happen will haporn today or tomorrow because the Nets want a pick this yesr
take but I would be stunned if the Knicks didn't draft a center.
Precious is almost certainly gone. Mitch seems to be a likely trade candidate. By the end of the year Jericho was the 4th option.
Even if they sign Goga or Drummond or some backup to iHart, you're one achilles flare up from a 48 minute center rotation of Goga and Jericho.
I think you need more talent in that room. I could see them trading up for Kel'el Ware who they just had in for a visit. You don't bring in a guy a few days before the draft unless there's serious interest, and Ware wouldn't make the trip unless he thought he could go there.
I think he's going to be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a star but I don't see anything Derrick Lively is doing right now that Ware can't. Definitely not a mauler but can shoot can block shots, has nice touch. I think he has a ton of upside.
is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen--- the demand for him was well above his level of play--- they could get young player and picks to be able to tank... instead they are looking to pair him... which he will be like 30 and on a bad contract by the time that could even happen--- so dumb
is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen--- the demand for him was well above his level of play--- they could get young player and picks to be able to tank... instead they are looking to pair him... which he will be like 30 and on a bad contract by the time that could even happen--- so dumb
yeah and we obsess in here on getting him to the Knicks but they don't have to deal with that at all with multiple teams interested they could drive his price sky high and deal him far away from the city to a team like Houston for a haul.
is one of the dumbest things ive ever seen--- the demand for him was well above his level of play--- they could get young player and picks to be able to tank... instead they are looking to pair him... which he will be like 30 and on a bad contract by the time that could even happen--- so dumb
What I don’t understand is what star they’re chasing to pair with Bridges. Donovan Mitchell was the hot name for awhile but all signs point to him extending with Cleveland. So that leaves, Trae Young? I have a feeling he’s not getting moved either
take but I would be stunned if the Knicks didn't draft a center.
Precious is almost certainly gone. Mitch seems to be a likely trade candidate. By the end of the year Jericho was the 4th option.
Even if they sign Goga or Drummond or some backup to iHart, you're one achilles flare up from a 48 minute center rotation of Goga and Jericho.
I think you need more talent in that room. I could see them trading up for Kel'el Ware who they just had in for a visit. You don't bring in a guy a few days before the draft unless there's serious interest, and Ware wouldn't make the trip unless he thought he could go there.
I think he's going to be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a star but I don't see anything Derrick Lively is doing right now that Ware can't. Definitely not a mauler but can shoot can block shots, has nice touch. I think he has a ton of upside.
Ware is one of my favorite potential picks for the Knicks. Missi would also be a good get. Maybe if they move up to the teens, Edey could be on the board as well
the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
la la, Knicks working out some players I really like. Mogbo really reminds me of a starter kit Josh Hart, Ware they will probably have to trade up for, Mitchell is a late bloomer who has *some* Brunson to his game and Freeman is a late bloomer who is NBA ready and could be a Thibs favorite.
"Ajay Mitchell, Jonathan Mogbo, Enrique Freeman, Kel’el Ware and Antonio Reeves have all worked out for the Knicks recently and presumably are on New York’s radar as the draft approaches."
the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The only non Randle way to do is to send out Hart or Dante which I strongly doubt they will do
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The only non Randle way to do is to send out Hart or Dante which I strongly doubt they will do
That’s only in a direct 2 team deal. In a 3 team deal, they could for example sign and trade Precious or Burks to send out additional salary. They could also use both their first round picks or use one first and a second to move up for a higher salary slot, sign those guys and wait a month to execute the deal so their salaries can be included. Like I said, it gets complicated but it is possible.
the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
This is not true
It absolutely is true. Go rewatch the KFS video again
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The only non Randle way to do is to send out Hart or Dante which I strongly doubt they will do
That’s only in a direct 2 team deal. In a 3 team deal, they could for example sign and trade Precious or Burks to send out additional salary. They could also use both their first round picks or use one first and a second to move up for a higher salary slot, sign those guys and wait a month to execute the deal so their salaries can be included. Like I said, it gets complicated but it is possible.
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
What I've learned is that its folly to try and think we know the exact
logistics of the cap and salaries involved. Especially now in this new era of the draconian aprons. There are so many moving parts here with the opt out/option dates, July 1, July 6 etc...the way the order of the transactions can be manipulated, cap holds/quali offers and the draft thrown into the middle of all of this. Silly to fight over it. the teams pay experts a lot of money to figure this all out. Think it will all come to a head in the next 10 days or so. Rose is very meticulous in his planning and execution. I have faith that he has been preparing for this for years. I agree with NYGiants though about the PG thing. It will be decided definitely by Friday at the very latest and very possibly by Wed or Thursday with the draft picks hanging over it.
and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
It also occurred to me that the Knicks could be posturing in an attempt to get Randle to accept a team-friendly extension
RE: RE: My guess if Knicks are working hard on this
and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
It also occurred to me that the Knicks could be posturing in an attempt to get Randle to accept a team-friendly extension
Yeah i am sure they went to him early on and said if you dont want to extend thats fine, but then we are going to put you in trades
and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
I think George is playing games and will stay with LA. He is just trying extract the best contract possible. He wants to stay in LA and be near his family.
RE: RE: My guess if Knicks are working hard on this
and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
I think George is playing games and will stay with LA. He is just trying extract the best contract possible. He wants to stay in LA and be near his family.
He doesnt need to play games he has a team eith cap space, there are no reason for games..
If opt in and trades are being discussed its the clippers who initiated that scenario
RE: RE: RE: My guess if Knicks are working hard on this
and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
I think George is playing games and will stay with LA. He is just trying extract the best contract possible. He wants to stay in LA and be near his family.
He doesnt need to play games he has a team eith cap space, there are no reason for games..
If opt in and trades are being discussed its the clippers who initiated that scenario
He does not want to play for the teams that have cap space, this is a game of chicken. He wants to stay with LA, but wants the same extension that Kawhi Leonard got and the Clips seem to be balking at that. Thus, he threatens to opt in and wants a trade to GS or NYK, where they most likely will not get a player of PG's ability. We can talk about Randle being a good return and maybe he is, but I have said this before and I know it for a fact, other teams don't see Randle the way the Knicks do.
The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
that OG has all the leverage and the Knicks can't let him walk....did they really give up so much? RJB was almost a net negative with that contract and Quick is going to demand a large contract himself.
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
says George's preference is to remain with the Clippers on a 4 year deal but they have yet to guarantee 4 years. I think he remains a Clipper
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
There is no need to insult nygiants16, he’s a good poster. You’re the guy that copied and pasted, word for word tweets by Macri and then posted them here as your own and claimed it came from your close “sources” so please spare us all this “I’ve forgotten more about basketball…” bullshit. Anything you post must be taken with an enormous grain of salt
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
No personal shot, but don't enjoy you telling me that my scenario makes no sense. Honestly, I enjoy your posts and opinions, you are one of the posters that makes me read and interact.
I was trying to stay that whatever posturing PG and the Clippers are doing, they both most likely will end up back together with some sort of extension that aligns with Kawhi's timeline.
I have a feeling the Knicks are working on other things, possibly players we are not thinking of.
I've always said, if they want to take the next step with this current nucleus, they need a 2 way center like a Myles Turner, KP, etc to at least share minutes with either IHart or Robinson. It is why I mentioned Zach Edey right after the season ended.
if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
I don't really think that has any bearing on anything. He'd want to come to the Knicks because they're a contending team on the rise where he fits like a glove and they have the CAA connection in the eastern conference. Not to mention, would presumably be willing to give him the contract he wants
as a Clipper. During those 5 years, he only made one All-NBA team and it was a 3rd team nod that he barely received over a young Tatum. His 3P shooting went from 39.7% in the regular season to 34.0% in the playoffs.
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
I don't think they'd actually move Deni but 3 firsts is a lot even if they're not the best firsts. I wonder though if they'd be more interested in swapping out the Bucks pick for their own
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
I don't think it's a bad return is my point. I think for the Wizards, the question is how all these guys fit depending on where they go with 2. If they wind up with Risacher, they'll have him Coulibaly, Kuzma, Deni all 3's/4's. I happen to think Kuzma will be the odd man out but who knows
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
nobody has said he doesnt want to go there
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting my tinfoil hat on
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
Trade idea comes from Grant Hughes of the Bleacher Report
"The Trade
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
Deni Avdija should be on every competitive team's list of targets, so the Knicks might have to dig deeper into their cache of draft assets to land him. If it takes throwing in the top-13-protected 2025 first-rounder coming from the Pistons, they should strongly consider it.
Avdija is an up-and-coming two-way threat on the wing. He's capable of defending multiple positions, distributing and, as of last season, hitting threes. His 37.4 percent knockdown clip from beyond the arc raised his ceiling considerably.
In New York, he'd add heft to an otherwise undersized wing rotation and slot in perfectly next to OG Anunoby (player option). Critically, his ability to facilitate would ease the burden on Jalen Brunson and allow the Knicks to move off Julius Randle's contract in a separate deal.
Washington should be intensely focused on collecting as many future first-rounders as possible, even if that means accepting picks with protections. The goal should be accumulating the maximum amount of lottery tickets for the 2025 draft with an eye toward projected top pick Cooper Flagg."
says George's preference is to remain with the Clippers on a 4 year deal but they have yet to guarantee 4 years. I think he remains a Clipper
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
I agree with this. I did head over there and they're all pretty over him, which is somewhat concerning honestly when it's this unanimous.
as a Clipper. During those 5 years, he only made one All-NBA team and it was a 3rd team nod that he barely received over a young Tatum. His 3P shooting went from 39.7% in the regular season to 34.0% in the playoffs.
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
Well the All NBA team misses are tied to the injuries. Last year was his first time playing over 56 games in a season as a Clipper. Which is concerning, but for different reasons than dropoff in ability, which I'm not sure I totally buy.
He just had his best ever season shooting and played 74 games. Main difference is he had a true PG instead of he and Kawhi trading off possessions. Who knows how the health will hold up though. Probably not great
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Putting my tinfoil hat on
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
I don't believe that's correct unless you're a second apron team
The Warriors have exhibited no desire to part with Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody, Brandin Podziemski and Trayce Jackson-Davis, per
@MontePooleNBCS
“Getting a veteran impact player almost certainly would require moving Jonathan Kuminga, who projects to have the highest upside of Golden State’s under-25 players.
The Warriors have exhibited no desire to part with Kuminga, and their same intent has been applied to Moses Moody, Brandin Podziemski and Trayce Jackson-Davis.”
like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
The Clippers have stood firm on not offering up the 4 year deal that he wants for some time now. Are they trying to gauge the market to see what they can get in return and if they can't get what they want cave on the 4th year? Have they just been hoping that PG cave and take the deal on the table? Seems like it's still very much up in the air.
Not saying that I would do it from the Knicks perspective but if I'm LAC and I can get Randle for PG, I'd do it. He's a good fit with Kawhi, younger than their geriatric roster and (this past season aside) has been very durable unlike Kawhi and PG
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
Yeah I mean I’d love KD. He’s a tier above George as a scorer and maybe similar baggage? I do trust that he just wants to ball in a way that I’m not as sure of for PG.
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Makes sense
Might be "shocking" language but it's nothing new to us or the Knicks. He has all of the leverage and will be paid accordingly. Will he get max? I somehow doubt it but far closer to that then the 5 for 150-175 type of estimates people were guessing.
and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
Or Philly and LA don’t want to give him the deal he wants
that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
Which means his preference is to remain with the Clippers
is a leverage play by George. Pretty clearly wants to remain in Cali/LA (Palmdale) and using what he can to get that 4th year. Maybe the Clippers really do hold firm but this does not read like a player looking to leave at all.
but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
sure how many of these guys were given second workouts but Mogbo getting 2 is interesting. He's been projected round 2 but I've seen him as high as late 1.
is a leverage play by George. Pretty clearly wants to remain in Cali/LA (Palmdale) and using what he can to get that 4th year. Maybe the Clippers really do hold firm but this does not read like a player looking to leave at all.
If george wanted to play the lecerage card he wouodnt agree to opt in
but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
sure how many of these guys were given second workouts but Mogbo getting 2 is interesting. He's been projected round 2 but I've seen him as high as late 1.
but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
Right like something does not add up. This is why I think there's a reasonable situation here where the entire time he's wanted to join the Knicks to try to win a chip.
Or he's really just fighting for that 4th year as a point of principle. Im not sure but it's a strange situation.
I dont think anyone ever thought he wanted to leave
the clippers, i think this entire time everyone knew that it was about his contract..
But i think people are reading the opt in and trade wrong, thats not leverage thats working together to find a team that will pay him and is a contender..
Now is he willing to opt in no matter what? that is a big question..
I personally dont think he opts in unless a trade is ready to be done, otherwise he opts out and maybe re-signs or signs somehwre else
sure how many of these guys were given second workouts but Mogbo getting 2 is interesting. He's been projected round 2 but I've seen him as high as late 1.
Hollinger loves Mogbo
A LOT to like in regard to Mogbo. His lack of outside shot obviously limits his upside (unless of course you're buying that he supposedly has displayed surprisingly solid range in workouts, 69.2% from the line also *potentially* gives you some optimism there) but he runs the court like a guard, 7'2" wingspan, very good passer for his size
Sarr looking to pull an Eli by not working out for the Hawks, seems like very high odds it'll be Risacher #1 with some late buzz on Clingan. I don't envy the Hawks, what a crap year to pick 1st or even high at all.
Sarr looking to pull an Eli by not working out for the Hawks, seems like very high odds it'll be Risacher #1 with some late buzz on Clingan. I don't envy the Hawks, what a crap year to pick 1st or even high at all.
Has it been reported why he wants Washington and not Atlanta? Neither are dream destinations but it's an odd preference to have.
Sarr looking to pull an Eli by not working out for the Hawks, seems like very high odds it'll be Risacher #1 with some late buzz on Clingan. I don't envy the Hawks, what a crap year to pick 1st or even high at all.
Has it been reported why he wants Washington and not Atlanta? Neither are dream destinations but it's an odd preference to have.
He wouldn't answer the question today. He basically "blamed" his handlers. I guess theoretically, he'd be option #1 or #2 from the jump with the Wizards but even then...maybe he is trying to force his way to Houston or SA (far more appealing organizations) but he worked out for the Wizards so...
That trade would end up like when they got Kiki Vandeweigh and Rolando Blackman a year or 2 too late. Also, there would be a serious premium from the Heat.
ive wondered about that since he/heat started publicly bickering. seems like fit there if both sides can get past the all the history/baggage. think knicks seemingly have more they can offer heat than philly.
says he hears that the Knicks are going to make their picks and they will be players that fit Thibs is system.
I'll say this quite a few of the players they are being connected to seem like Thibs-types. I mean, yeah "duh" but I'm talking about players who seem like they can come in immediately and slide into the rotation or at least provide some depth.
says he hears that the Knicks are going to make their picks and they will be players that fit Thibs is system.
I'll say this quite a few of the players they are being connected to seem like Thibs-types. I mean, yeah "duh" but I'm talking about players who seem like they can come in immediately and slide into the rotation or at least provide some depth.
He mentioned Ware specifically - says he can do some of what Derek Lively did.
Mogbo has some things working against him, which is why I couldn’t quite get him into my top 20. He’s only 6-6 and played as a rim-running five at San Francisco, making zero 3-pointers and attempting only two all season. He’s already 22. And he didn’t play in a power conference.
Nonetheless, he becomes a compelling proposition because the strengths here are strong; if the shooting comes around at all, he has a great chance to be a steal in the back half of the draft. Mogbo played guard as a kid before a late growth spurt and handles the ball very well for his size, but more importantly, he is a good passer who averaged 7.4 dimes per 100 possessions – lofty stuff for a center. He’s able to push his own rebounds, lead the break and make decisions on the move and run actions from the elbows in the half court.
He combines that with a very different skill: elite rebounding, despite being an undersized center. His 22.0 percent rebound rate led the WCC and was fourth in the nation – just ahead of some guy named Zach Edey.
Mogbo has great instincts that show up behind his passing, particularly in a superb steal rate for a center (3.2 swipes per 100 possessions) and his high field goal percentage in the paint. While he’s not going to be rim-running for dunks except, perhaps, in brief cameos as a junk-ball five, he’s shown he has the all-court game to be a productive NBA forward. He reflected much of that in the NBA Draft Combine, where in 37 minutes across two games, he filled the stat sheet with 11 rebounds, seven assists and four steals.
Now, about the shooting: I’ve seen Mogbo shoot 3s before games, and his shot isn’t broken. He has a push shot from distance and it’s a bit slow, but he can be threatening enough to warrant at least some token degree of respect from defenses. He shot 69.2 percent from the line in his final college season.
At this point in the draft, I’d take those positives and the upside over the fairly meh outlooks of the rest of the field. Realistically, I expect Mogbo to be picked in the 40s or 50s, but I think he’s one of the most interesting players in this class.
ive wondered about that since he/heat started publicly bickering. seems like fit there if both sides can get past the all the history/baggage. think knicks seemingly have more they can offer heat than philly.
I think the Knicks and Heat have only made one trade ever and it was for Pat Riley so I don't think there's a chance in hell they'd trade Butler to the Knicks
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Rival executives are monitoring Tyus Jones as a possible sign-and-trade candidate from the Wizards, per @MikeAScotto
(https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-2024-nba-mock-draft-paul-george-tyrese-maxey-free-agency-zach-lavine-trade-talks/
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like a guy who would benefit from playing with Brunson
An unusual player who requires several viewings to get a handle on, Mitchell is a strong lefty who has a variety of finishes in the paint area and thrived putting small guards in jail on the block. I’m not sure that will work as well in the NBA as it did in the Big West, but he has other skills to fall back on, as he showed at the combine when he ran the point for two games and handed out nine assists.
A big swing skill for Mitchell will be his 3-point shooting; he upped his percentage to 39.3 percent this past season but on very low volume. From a flat-footed standstill, he has a low release and it’s a bit slow getting out, but it’s fine – his 81.8 percent career mark from the line supports that.
Where things get weird is on the move, where it seems like a hidden grappling hook off screens is tugging him to his right; watching him shoot before a game, he consistently ended up several inches to the right of his takeoff spot. That balance issue is important because he will need to shoot 3s off the bounce at the next level, and right now, that’s not in his bag.
Physically, Mitchell is not an elite athlete by any stretch, but he has a strong base and a solid frame that should help him guard up a position on defense if he needs to. Mitchell has a Belgian passport, incidentally, but it seems unlikely that he would be selected as a stash pick.
Knicks apparently made an agressive pursuit for Caruso
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The New York Knicks made an aggressive push for Alex Caruso, offering draft capital, before Chicago decided to trade him to Oklahoma City, per
@KCJHoop
“League sources indicated that the New York Knicks and Sacramento Kings both offered draft capital to the Bulls in packages they felt were superior to the one-for-one deal. The Athletic previously reported the Kings' offer that featured the 13th overall pick in this week’s NBA Draft.”
says he hears that the Knicks are going to make their picks and they will be players that fit Thibs is system.
I'll say this quite a few of the players they are being connected to seem like Thibs-types. I mean, yeah "duh" but I'm talking about players who seem like they can come in immediately and slide into the rotation or at least provide some depth.
He mentioned Ware specifically - says he can do some of what Derek Lively did.
It's nice that Hahn reads BBI:
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take but I would be stunned if the Knicks didn't draft a center.
I think you need more talent in that room. I could see them trading up for Kel'el Ware who they just had in for a visit. You don't bring in a guy a few days before the draft unless there's serious interest, and Ware wouldn't make the trip unless he thought he could go there.
I think he's going to be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a star but I don't see anything Derrick Lively is doing right now that Ware can't. Definitely not a mauler but can shoot can block shots, has nice touch. I think he has a ton of upside.
RE: RE: Knicks apparently made an agressive pursuit for Caruso
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The New York Knicks made an aggressive push for Alex Caruso, offering draft capital, before Chicago decided to trade him to Oklahoma City, per
@KCJHoop
“League sources indicated that the New York Knicks and Sacramento Kings both offered draft capital to the Bulls in packages they felt were superior to the one-for-one deal. The Athletic previously reported the Kings' offer that featured the 13th overall pick in this week’s NBA Draft.”
This makes it hurt a bit more. I definitely wanted Caruso
The Bulls are so stupid. Easily the worst run team in the league
Is better than what you guys are giving him credit for. Look at his stats when SGA and Williams were out. He’d be a top 10 pick in this draft maybe higher.
The bulls are still dumb but Giddey is a good player, even if he likes underage girls.
No way in hell can I see Thibs moving Mitch and replacing him with a guy like Filipowski. I think he can be a nice get but I don't see Thibs not having a true rim protector and not have a guy that can bang with someone like Embiid.
I don’t think there will be some massive movement of high impact players. Maybe a handful get moved but there will be a lot of movement with the Oubre type players. I could see contenders try to turn some of their high salary/middle impact guys into cheaper versions due to the cap. I wouldn’t classify it as “as hell breaking loose” but there will be some significant movement. Enough that may turn fringe contenders into play in teams and vice versa
I don’t see any stars moving.
draft info has been kinda dark this year but if I had to guess I’d say Tyler Smith, Dunn, Missi, Edey in that order.
Trade I think would be flipping Bojan for someone slightly better and younger, just uncertain of who
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Still true.
I think the Knicks keep him. I could be wrong but I don’t get the sense a 4 year $100 mill deal is out there for him
They should have already, I don’t think they do this summer and I think they regret it. Ownership is stubborn
Gotta look up some more Tyler Smith. He wasn't really on my radar at all.
Gotta look up some more Tyler Smith. He wasn't really on my radar at all.
I think he is. Not sure if the Bulls make him available
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And who’s the most likely acquisition? Figured I’d get those out of the way, haha. By the way, really appreciate all the info you provide!
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Wow very cool. Booker obviously the crown jewel but I’d thing highly unlikely no? And do you think he and Brunson fit well together? I’d love to just see them add a catch n shoot guy, like Korver was back in the day.
Great news on OG and iHart. I love the chemistry iHart brings.
I think all three are back pending if they make a trade. I think iharts deals comes in lower than what’s being speculated.
Knicks are going to be a second apron team if they keep both OG and ihart
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And who’s the most likely acquisition? Figured I’d get those out of the way, haha. By the way, really appreciate all the info you provide!
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Wow very cool. Booker obviously the crown jewel but I’d thing highly unlikely no? And do you think he and Brunson fit well together? I’d love to just see them add a catch n shoot guy, like Korver was back in the day.
Great news on OG and iHart. I love the chemistry iHart brings.
We have so many catch and shoot guys. Our issue is not that but rather another creator on offense. When Brunson was hobbled and Randle was out, it completely threw off our offense. McBride, DD, Hart, OG, etc. can all catch and shoot.
Sounds like Redick is the front runner now
2. A creator (Booker)
3. A defensive wing (Bridges/caruso)
In the draft they want to add multiple position guys Smith could play the 3-4 and small ball 5 in spurts. Dunn defensively could play 3- small ball 5 but his offense has a ways to go. They know they need to improve the back of the bench after what happened with the injuries
I don’t think it’s so much they want to keep him as they overrate his value
Atlanta really is it so far. I think Detroit is a blow it up team next year.
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that it sounds lkke they are ready to blow it up? Detroit? Chicago? Atlanta?
Atlanta really is it so far. I think Detroit is a blow it up team next year.
Murray a target?
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it sounds like the Nets seem intent on keeping Bridges?
I don’t think it’s so much they want to keep him as they overrate his value
That's positive, maybe there's a path forward even if the Knicks need to overpay. Bridges for Bogie and a bunch of picks I still think is a major step forward.
I unfortunately now have gotten irrationally excited about KD and am setting myself up for disappointment
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that it sounds lkke they are ready to blow it up? Detroit? Chicago? Atlanta?
Atlanta really is it so far. I think Detroit is a blow it up team next year.
Murray a target?
Think that ship has sailed
That’s a tough one though answer. If AD, Booker or Giannis became available they’d aggressively pursue it. Otherwise I think they’re fine running it back with a Brunson-Dante-OG-Randle-ihart starting lineup and making some tweaks to the wings and depth. They’ll aggressively pursue fixes to the depth and backup wings but I don’t think many people will consider that being aggressive.
I think they’d like to bring Burks back as the 11/12 guy and he’d be cool with it in just not sure there’s a path for it
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or do you think they are happy to run it back?
That’s a tough one though answer. If AD, Booker or Giannis became available they’d aggressively pursue it. Otherwise I think they’re fine running it back with a Brunson-Dante-OG-Randle-ihart starting lineup and making some tweaks to the wings and depth. They’ll aggressively pursue fixes to the depth and backup wings but I don’t think many people will consider that being aggressive.
I think they’d like to bring Burks back as the 11/12 guy and he’d be cool with it in just not sure there’s a path for it
Thats fair, my worry is they become a 2nd apron team running it back and they get stuck
January validates this confidence.
They’ll be able to find ways to maneuver. It’ll have some uncomfortable decisions, but they’ll have ways.
He has a deal with ownership that they’ll trade him if he asks, I don’t think he asks this year though. But it’s why resigning and overpaying Randle may be a good thing
They’ll be able to find ways to maneuver. It’ll have some uncomfortable decisions, but they’ll have ways.
Yeah thats my issue i dont want to have to trade Divo, Hart or OG to make a deal work, but i get if nothing is out there you cant force it
He should be good to go
Anytime
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Because they’ll have 8 or 9 guys on middle to low high dollar contracts, not because they have 3 aging super max contracts
They’ll be able to find ways to maneuver. It’ll have some uncomfortable decisions, but they’ll have ways.
Yeah thats my issue i dont want to have to trade Divo, Hart or OG to make a deal work, but i get if nothing is out there you cant force it
I really think they get a ring out of this group without having to trade one of those guys
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Because they’ll have 8 or 9 guys on middle to low high dollar contracts, not because they have 3 aging super max contracts
They’ll be able to find ways to maneuver. It’ll have some uncomfortable decisions, but they’ll have ways.
Yeah thats my issue i dont want to have to trade Divo, Hart or OG to make a deal work, but i get if nothing is out there you cant force it
I really think they get a ring out of this group without having to trade one of those guys
I hope so, in the other thread we were talking about KD and how perfrct he would be because his contract runs 2 years then they would create cap soace just in time to sign Bridges
They’ll trade Bridges but it’ll have to be on their terms. To be honest I don’t know who the Nets want to build around. They’re rudderless
Thank you again
Thank you again
Not unless it’s for a start.
It’s possible if there’s nobody on the trade market they 👍
I don’t think there’s significant interest in KAT from what I heard
Bryant gone? i hope not, sojnded like Borrega was the favorite in Cleveland
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And who’s the most likely acquisition? Figured I’d get those out of the way, haha. By the way, really appreciate all the info you provide!
Biggest target: Booker, AD
Middle range: Bridges
Most likely: don’t have a specific name yet, but flipping Bojan for a wing upgrade
Wow very cool. Booker obviously the crown jewel but I’d thing highly unlikely no? And do you think he and Brunson fit well together? I’d love to just see them add a catch n shoot guy, like Korver was back in the day.
Great news on OG and iHart. I love the chemistry iHart brings.
We have so many catch and shoot guys. Our issue is not that but rather another creator on offense. When Brunson was hobbled and Randle was out, it completely threw off our offense. McBride, DD, Hart, OG, etc. can all catch and shoot.
I hear ya, and I definitely agree that they need another creator, though Randle played that role in the past. Honestly, I may just be judging the team that went on that run which isn’t fair.
I’m sitting here like, “Well, Hart’s streaky as hell,” but he was playing through injury. OG, I wouldn’t call an assassin from deep but he’s no slouch either, and he was hurt. Divo was great, McBride shot above his weight class, but I think about things like the struggles from the stripe and it’s just so odd to me. I’ve never seen it where the entire team can be on or ice cold on a given night.
Again, I may have an odd case of recency bias, almost against the Knicks, but after watching 6 straight games of Maxey and Embiid - and I get that they’re the Sixer’s two best players - we don’t have anyone I’d consider automatic if you leave them open beyond the arc or from the FT line.
If they asked for one, I’m sure Bogey would say yes
They still appear to be optimistic
I think it’s PG and if they miss they’re in trouble
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Bryant gone? i hope not, sojnded like Borrega was the favorite in Cleveland
I've heard rumors of Johnny Bryant leaving (e.g., to coach the Cavs), are there any legs to that rumor?
As far as the Leon Rose and Rich Paul meeting, i habe this gut feeling that it was about Lebron or AD coming to the Knicks..You mentioned 10% chance on Lebron, people mention Philly for Lebron but i think the only team he would leave LA for is the Knicks
To me Paul and Rose dont habe a sitdown over Jordan Clarkson, lol, I think it was about AD or Lebron coming to the Knicks, you have already mentioned AD a few times and even Perkins mentioned it...
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Bryant gone? i hope not, sojnded like Borrega was the favorite in Cleveland
I've heard rumors of Johnny Bryant leaving (e.g., to coach the Cavs), are there any legs to that rumor?
Last i saw was Borrega was the favorite
It's not just his lack of offense. He gets hurt EVERY SINGLE YEAR. He's proven he can't stay healthy.
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As an assistant
Bryant gone? i hope not, sojnded like Borrega was the favorite in Cleveland
I've heard rumors of Johnny Bryant leaving (e.g., to coach the Cavs), are there any legs to that rumor?
Last i saw was Borrega was the favorite
Borrego or Atkinson
Also said Knicks are eyeing this offseason to trade for a star but if no one asks out will eye this trade deadline..
Said if Kat is traded the easiest time to trade him will be at the draft to use his 36 million dollar number to match salaries and it would save the twolves almost 20 million
As far as the Leon Rose and Rich Paul meeting, i habe this gut feeling that it was about Lebron or AD coming to the Knicks..You mentioned 10% chance on Lebron, people mention Philly for Lebron but i think the only team he would leave LA for is the Knicks
To me Paul and Rose dont habe a sitdown over Jordan Clarkson, lol, I think it was about AD or Lebron coming to the Knicks, you have already mentioned AD a few times and even Perkins mentioned it...
Probably right it was about someone big. I don’t think the Knicks are the only team Lebron would leave LA for. I think he’d go back to Cleveland to play with Mitchell or to Miami. The possible options are small though. I think Philly is a legitimate option if he leaves
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First i know you said no stars are expected to be available or ask out, i still would be shocked if at least 1 player doesnt ask out..
As far as the Leon Rose and Rich Paul meeting, i habe this gut feeling that it was about Lebron or AD coming to the Knicks..You mentioned 10% chance on Lebron, people mention Philly for Lebron but i think the only team he would leave LA for is the Knicks
To me Paul and Rose dont habe a sitdown over Jordan Clarkson, lol, I think it was about AD or Lebron coming to the Knicks, you have already mentioned AD a few times and even Perkins mentioned it...
Probably right it was about someone big. I don’t think the Knicks are the only team Lebron would leave LA for. I think he’d go back to Cleveland to play with Mitchell or to Miami. The possible options are small though. I think Philly is a legitimate option if he leaves
Thats true forgot about Cleveland, i wonder if Riley would go after Lebron..
Also was told that the meeting on Rich Paul was about multiple big-time players, at least 3. I think we can figure it out.
The Knick beats keep mentioning KAT as well, but who knows. I do see the fit, with or without Randle.
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So it would be possible they invest over 30 million into the center position
It's not just his lack of offense. He gets hurt EVERY SINGLE YEAR. He's proven he can't stay healthy.
Yes Mitch gets hurt every year, but that isn't something unique to him. Kind of just comes with the territory with big guys. Look at the top centers in the league, outside of like Jokic and Gobert, they all miss a ton of games.
Not surprised things wont pick up until the finals are over
The package isnt going to be big
The package isnt going to be big
Would the Knicks be willing to include Randle in a deal for KD? Maybe that moves the needle enough for Phoenix if it is Randle and picks.
Probably would make sense for the Knicks to move Julius in that scenario, where are you playing KD if Randle and OG are on the roster? You arent bringing any of those guys off the bench.
I would think given the age and injury propensity of KD and Beal, they might welcome a Randle trade with a pick or two because it would kind of help them on multiple fronts:
1. Gives them a younger and arguably less injury risk player vs KD (even considering last years dirty play shoulder injury)
2. Gets them out of that monstrous ballooning contract of KD who is owed a lot of money next four years
3. Might get a pick or two in the process.
Randle is a 25/10/5 guy , he is a higher level of player than almost any team gets back when they trade away a superstar.
Randle is approx 27M (if traded prior to July 1st) + Bojan fully gtd at 19M + 1-2 First round picks
KD is 47M (if traded prior to July 1st)
The salaries match almost perfectly.
I highly doubt Randle would not be included but some fun math:
Mitchell Robinson 15M + Achiuwa 6M + McBride 4.7M + Sims 2.5M + D'Quan 2.5M + Bojan 19-20 gtd would get us close to KDs salary
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is Beal has a no trade, so even if you wanted to blow it up and start collecting draft picks and soreading out the cap, they couldnt
I would think given the age and injury propensity of KD and Beal, they might welcome a Randle trade with a pick or two because it would kind of help them on multiple fronts:
1. Gives them a younger and arguably less injury risk player vs KD (even considering last years dirty play shoulder injury)
2. Gets them out of that monstrous ballooning contract of KD who is owed a lot of money next four years
3. Might get a pick or two in the process.
Randle is a 25/10/5 guy , he is a higher level of player than almost any team gets back when they trade away a superstar.
Randle is approx 27M (if traded prior to July 1st) + Bojan fully gtd at 19M + 1-2 First round picks
KD is 47M (if traded prior to July 1st)
The salaries match almost perfectly.
I highly doubt Randle would not be included but some fun math:
Mitchell Robinson 15M + Achiuwa 6M + McBride 4.7M + Sims 2.5M + D'Quan 2.5M + Bojan 19-20 gtd would get us close to KDs salary
KD only has 2 years lef ton his deal, its why many say he would be the guy to trade because they cna get the most for him
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is Beal has a no trade, so even if you wanted to blow it up and start collecting draft picks and soreading out the cap, they couldnt
I would think given the age and injury propensity of KD and Beal, they might welcome a Randle trade with a pick or two because it would kind of help them on multiple fronts:
1. Gives them a younger and arguably less injury risk player vs KD (even considering last years dirty play shoulder injury)
2. Gets them out of that monstrous ballooning contract of KD who is owed a lot of money next four years
3. Might get a pick or two in the process.
Randle is a 25/10/5 guy , he is a higher level of player than almost any team gets back when they trade away a superstar.
Randle is approx 27M (if traded prior to July 1st) + Bojan fully gtd at 19M + 1-2 First round picks
KD is 47M (if traded prior to July 1st)
The salaries match almost perfectly.
I highly doubt Randle would not be included but some fun math:
Mitchell Robinson 15M + Achiuwa 6M + McBride 4.7M + Sims 2.5M + D'Quan 2.5M + Bojan 19-20 gtd would get us close to KDs salary
KD only has 2 years lef ton his deal, its why many say he would be the guy to trade because they cna get the most for him
I thought it was 4 more years as I think I was quickly scanning the page and thought Beals contract was KD's .
Yeah that 2 year deal makes him more tradeable for sure. All depends on the direction they want to go I guess. If it's all about next year for them I could see them say no. But if they like Randle enough and want to try different chemistry or want the 50+ M cap relief for 2025-26 (both Randle and Bojan expire by then) it might have a shot.
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of the Knicks key targets in the draft or via trade?
draft info has been kinda dark this year but if I had to guess I’d say Tyler Smith, Dunn, Missi, Edey in that order.
Trade I think would be flipping Bojan for someone slightly better and younger, just uncertain of who
I’m on my phone so can’t link but I just saw that Smith worked out for the Knicks recently
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of the Knicks key targets in the draft or via trade?
draft info has been kinda dark this year but if I had to guess I’d say Tyler Smith, Dunn, Missi, Edey in that order.
Trade I think would be flipping Bojan for someone slightly better and younger, just uncertain of who
I’m on my phone so can’t link but I just saw that Smith worked out for the Knicks recently
You can provide links from your phone too…fyi, lol
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of the Knicks key targets in the draft or via trade?
draft info has been kinda dark this year but if I had to guess I’d say Tyler Smith, Dunn, Missi, Edey in that order.
Trade I think would be flipping Bojan for someone slightly better and younger, just uncertain of who
I’m on my phone so can’t link but I just saw that Smith worked out for the Knicks recently
You can provide links from your phone too…fyi, lol
I know but it’s marginally more difficult and I was feeling lazy lol
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Excellent. Losing Bryant would've hurt and sucked. I'm guessing he'd be the Knicks' next HC once Thibs is ready to hang 'em up.
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Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason.
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It will be interesting to see if the Knicks can lock down OG before July 1st, i dont expect them to be able to with Hartenstein because they have a limit on what they can offer..
Also Windy for the first time mentioned the kNicms in the Paul George talks, now he underlined it as an example for a Paul George opt in and trade but Windy wouldnt mention the Knicks like that..
He also said OG could still test the market but expects him to return to the Knicks
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
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Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
IDK how I feel about Dunn. I know he's possibly the best perimeter defensive player in the Draft, but he is an ATROCIOUS offensive player.
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Hoopshype mock draft.
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Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
IDK how I feel about Dunn. I know he's possibly the best perimeter defensive player in the Draft, but he is an ATROCIOUS offensive player.
I hear you, with maybe a slight adjustment in that he’s a horrific shooter, not a horrific offensive player. He shot over 50% from the field is a plus offensive rebounder and has a nice handle.
But he has the same jumper I do. He won’t play meaningful minutes until that’s fixed. But if it is he’s OG 2.0. I think worth a swing with a late first in a bad draft.
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
I think so too. They’re already offering him more money than the opt in so really tough to see a path to NYK unless George wants to play here the most.
I need Devin Booker to force a trade here in the worst way.
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Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
I think so too. They’re already offering him more money than the opt in so really tough to see a path to NYK unless George wants to play here the most.
I need Devin Booker to force a trade here in the worst way.
when Leon was hired I think Booker or Embiid would have been possible. But once the Suns were sold and once Morey was hired, the chances of either dropped to zero.
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
He basically tried to outline like for example the Knicks can trade for PG if he opts in, and everyone jncluding Alan Hahn said oh he would be great fit in NY
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say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
I think so too. They’re already offering him more money than the opt in so really tough to see a path to NYK unless George wants to play here the most.
I need Devin Booker to force a trade here in the worst way.
when Leon was hired I think Booker or Embiid would have been possible. But once the Suns were sold and once Morey was hired, the chances of either dropped to zero.
What happened to the good ol days when NBA stars were whiny babies and demanded trades publicly?
Durant 3x, Harden, Kyrie, Lillard, Ant, Kawhi, etc etc.
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say the Knicks would be in play for PG or they wouldn't?
Regardless, I think at the end of the day, PG wants LA and LA wants PG. I think they figure out the $$.
He basically tried to outline like for example the Knicks can trade for PG if he opts in, and everyone jncluding Alan Hahn said oh he would be great fit in NY
gotcha. I imagine quite a few teams would be interested in that scenario.
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Hoopshype mock draft.
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Sounds like the Suns are targeting Kolek at 22 which certainly makes sense.
Knicks take Missi and Dunn which I think most would sign up for.
Tyler Smith was on the board and goes 26. Gets compared to Naz Reid which I love as a player comp and also a fit on this team. Apparently we tried to get a Reid last offseason. Link - ( New Window )
IDK how I feel about Dunn. I know he's possibly the best perimeter defensive player in the Draft, but he is an ATROCIOUS offensive player.
I hear you, with maybe a slight adjustment in that he’s a horrific shooter, not a horrific offensive player. He shot over 50% from the field is a plus offensive rebounder and has a nice handle.
But he has the same jumper I do. He won’t play meaningful minutes until that’s fixed. But if it is he’s OG 2.0. I think worth a swing with a late first in a bad draft.
If I had my druthers, I'd package one of our picks with our second rounder to move up a bit. If we can come away with two of Kel'El Ware, Tyler Smith, Bub Carrington, and Jared McCain, I'd consider that a major win.
That would suck. What did you read?
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like the Bulls will hold onto Caruso.
That would suck. What did you read?
Will Gottlieb
"“According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks. One of those deals included a pick in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed…the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.” "
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like the Bulls will hold onto Caruso.
That would suck. What did you read?
Will Gottlieb
"“According to a source with knowledge of the situation, the Bulls have received offers from multiple teams, consisting of multiple protected first-round picks. One of those deals included a pick in the top-10 of the 2024 Draft, the source said. The Golden State Warriors were among teams who made a strong offer for Caruso, multiple sources confirmed…the source indicated that there was a mandate from the Reinsdorfs to fight for the Playoffs. That, no doubt, impacted the front office’s decision making when it came to pulling the trigger on any Caruso deal.” "
That’s so fucking stupid. They’re going to lose him for nothing.
They may have the inside track on keeping him — it’s possible Caruso, given his perpetual risk of injury, prefers to lock in long-term security with an extension. He may instead prefer to test free agency where he will likely attract equal or better offers in team contexts more conducive to winning.
BOGDANOVIC’S ROLE
Let’s start with Bojan Bogdanovic. His contract is currently guaranteed for $2 million. It becomes fully guaranteed at $19 million on June 28. If you’re thinking about a significant trade, the Knicks' decision on Bogdanovic is key.
Here’s Gozlan: "I think it makes sense to keep him and guarantee him for the upcoming season if the Knicks feel like there is a trade for an All-Star on the horizon. Attaching his $19 million with Julius Randle's $28.9 million allows them to match for just about anyone. If Bogdanovic is gone, they likely need to trade Josh Hart or Mitchell Robinson, or even try to get Precious Achiuwa involved in a sign-and-trade to get enough money to send out."
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they'd consider moving Hart or DVD in a trade.
I'd imagine Brunson would be quite disgruntled
hence the question. They're clearly not untouchable level players but it's safe to say they're part of the core going forward. But there's a point where you start talking about potentially acquiring players of a certain caliber - and Brunson's feelings just won't be enough to keep them out of the deal.
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they'd consider moving Hart or DVD in a trade.
I'd imagine Brunson would be quite disgruntled
hence the question. They're clearly not untouchable level players but it's safe to say they're part of the core going forward. But there's a point where you start talking about potentially acquiring players of a certain caliber - and Brunson's feelings just won't be enough to keep them out of the deal.
I can't imagine they would make any move the Brunson is not 100% on board with until after he signs an extension. And even then he deserves a full season with his core and OG mixed in, whether it includes Randle or a substitution. I imagine even the Randall question is whether Brunson wants to play with him or not.
Yup Stu looks like the same team with maybe a draft pick (if we keep one). Looks like no bargain studs out there. Unless you want Chicago’s headache. I just don’t see (or heard) anything of substance.
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They will make a deal, how big? who knows but they will make a deal
Yeah it was a good read. He made a great point that even the first apron is pretty restrictive in that trades have to be dollar for dollar making it near impossible for 2 teams over the 1st apron to make a trade with each other without getting a 3rd team involved.
Forget iHart is he even better than a healthy Mitch?
Yuck. That dude is soft as butter. And I’m tired of centers with zero offensive game
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Yuck. That dude is soft as butter. And I’m tired of centers with zero offensive game
He is very talented, and there is a part of me that would love to see what Thibs could do with him but yeha he is softer than tissue power
They need a scoring PG for the second unit and as a Brunson fill in.
Saves 3 mil off the cap too
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They need a scoring PG for the second unit and as a Brunson fill in.
Saves 3 mil off the cap too Link - ( New Window )
Utah is interesting, Markannen is going to be an UFA after next yesr, does he sign an extension or will he force their hand to trade him
That's how I think it plays out.
They need a scoring PG for the second unit and as a Brunson fill in.
Saves 3 mil off the cap too Link - ( New Window )
It will take 2 future unrestricted #1s to get Ainge to pick up the phone.
436
24
Ryan Dunn
Virginia PF So
437
25
Tyler Smith
G League Ignite PF 2004
438
NR
Bryan Antoine
Radford SG Sr
439
NR
Mohamed Diarra
North Carolina St C Jr
440
NR
Coleman Hawkins
Illinois PF Sr
441
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Joseph Girard III
Clemson PG Sr
442
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Andrija Jelavic
Mega Basket PF 2004
443
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Malevy Leons
Bradley PF Sr
444
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Jahmir Young
Maryland PG Sr
Knicks have too much to lose. They have to pay him what he wants. It would be insane to let him walk.
That's how I think it plays out.
One of his agents is Sam Rose, the other was hired by Leon Rose...
Think about it this way, thia report came out on Monday, they werent able to start negotiations until today but he is already mad?
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that he probably isn't taking less to stay with the Knicks. So his agents will go out and talk to the 76ers, they'll offer him higher than what the Knicks will and then the Knicks ultimately match that.
That's how I think it plays out.
One of his agents is Sam Rose, the other was hired by Leon Rose...
Think about it this way, thia report came out on Monday, they werent able to start negotiations until today but he is already mad?
Oh, the report is probably bullshit.
But I do think that his agents will talk to other teams, find the highest contract they can, and come back to the Knicks and allow them to match it.
Wouldn't surprise me if the standing offer is like 4/140 and he gets an offer for 4/160 and then the Knicks match.
I like Windhorst to and think he is legit and i am sure he has heard he wont sign before free agency..
There's your Bojan replacement
@ScottAgness
The Pacers are nearing a long-term contract extension with forward Pascal Siakam, league sources told Fieldhouse Files.
Both sides know how each other feels + want the partnership to continue. Story to come.
Smoke screen to avoid tampering
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
Have you heard what the contract could/will look like?
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
thank you
Of course Jeffries’ defense was always more team than point of attack and Dunn is elite on both ends, while being way more athletic than Jeffries ever was. But when you have someone so inept on offense, it does give you pause.
So IDK. IDK how I feel about taking Dunn.
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
How so? He has not officially opted out so the Knicks can discuss an extension no? How could there be a tampering issue?
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
How so? He has not officially opted out so the Knicks can discuss an extension no? How could there be a tampering issue?
So it doesn’t look like there was a handshake deal before yesterday
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Smoke screen to avoid tampering
How so? He has not officially opted out so the Knicks can discuss an extension no? How could there be a tampering issue?
The report was from monday morning
Also mentioned that early seconds (Knicks have 38) are becoming more valuable due to the cap flexibility they offer.
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
1. He doesn't completely lose his head as he has on occasion
2. The shooting needs to hold up
3. He needs to re-discover his defense. Maybe as a true third option fully bought in that happens but it's a risky proposition.
I think there is a good enough culture and leadership for him to buy in and with his defense i think on a winning team it will go back to what it was..
but they could also be me being optimistic, i also thought Reddish would buy in when he was starting..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
He was absolutely atrocious. It's only surprising because of the monster deal he got in the first place.
I also can't believe they let him bring on an assistant last week
Cade
Duren
Ivey
Ausar
Grimes (lol not even joking)
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I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
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I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
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I think if you can get him for Bojan and picks it would be an absolute steal..
Mcbride, Divencenzo, Hart and Mitch off the bench..
I think it could be argued that Divencenzo is a better fit for the starting lineup than Murray is. The spacing he provides is crucial, he fit the defensive scheme well, and he doesn't demand the ball.
Part of the issue with Murray and Young in Atlanta is that they both want the ball in their hands, how does that work with Murray, Brunson and Randle? Also, his defense isn't what it was with the Spurs, and he has been a mediocre shooter for most of his career.
If he is willing to come off the bench and is low cost in a trade? Sure. If he expects to start and you have to give up real assets? No thanks.
I can agree with everything you said except how does Murray and Brunson work, Brunson was as ball dominant as he was becausrle Randle went out...Brunson is a suoerb off the ball player, he was lighting it up from 3 when he could play off Randle and without randle he started to struggle from 3..
Murray also can play with the 2nd unit and give them a ball handler who can run the offense, Knicks even with Randle really struggled with Brunson off
Yeah I think if you can get Murray to buy into a role where he's basically 3 and D on offense but really re-discovers his defensive dominance and runs the entire second unit, there's something there.
They need someone to defend the opponents best guard and let OG take the best wing. Murray could fit. Bridges and Caruso also fit. I think trading Bogie + picks for one of those 3 is the way to go assuming Booker or KD don't shake free.
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
Murray isn't a defensive stopper. His defense has fallen off a cliff in recent years. Just one of a few reasons why it hasn't worked out at all in Atlanta
Definitely. The question is was that a Hawks issue or a Murray issue?
I think he's better than what he showed last year. Who is going to produce when your PG is a combo of Dinwiddie and Schroeder and you have Cam Thomas chucking?
Who says no to this trade:
NYK Gets Bridges
BKN Gets Murray, 2025 NYK first, Detroit Protected first
ATL Gets Bojan, #24, 2025 MIL 1st, Washington Projected first
5 firsts seems like a lot to trade but none of them individually are that great.
Then draft Ryan Dunn at 25 and Ajay Mitchell at 38. Would be a nasty team.
ESPN Sources: After one season, the Detroit Pistons have dismissed coach Monty Williams — who leaves with five years and $65M-plus left on his deal. New President Trajan Langdon will move to make his own coaching hire now.
Has to be one of the worst hires in sports history. Highest paid coach in the league combined with historical losing and zero development. What a colossal waste of money.
Give me back Trey Murphy and we're all set
YES!
And then draft Ryan Dunn and I'll be in heaven
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Give me back Trey Murphy and we're all set
YES!
And then draft Ryan Dunn and I'll be in heaven
Honestly I'd love that too. Deuce-Trey-OG-Dunn-iHart all clamp lineup. Maybe throw Diakite in there for the hell of it.
This feels flimsy at best.
This feels flimsy at best.
oh ok thank you
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
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Knicks and Pelicans are talking trade involving Mitch
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
Nvm, disregard I just realized you said Pelicans. The ESPN article was Memphis
This feels flimsy at best.
It's 100% based on that fact (and that's not a recent change) and the blogger who mentioned it has frequently thrown out trade "rumors" nobody else has. Seems like absolute BS to me.
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
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Knicks and Pelicans are talking trade involving Mitch
This was a hypothetical trade from ESPN on "trades we'd like to see". Fwiw, the return was very light -- Kennard and a 1st
Nvm, disregard I just realized you said Pelicans. The ESPN article was Memphis
Kennard is actually a pretty useful player, but I'm not sure for this team specifically. He's not an upgrade over Divincenzo and he's not the guy to run the second unit.
The picks are interesting and if they could swap Kennard for Caruso or someone like that I'd definitely be interested.
Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
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Rumors are swirling about the Pelicans offering Brandon Ingram in a trade to Houston for Alperen Sengün, but Houston showed no interest, per @KellyIko
New Orleans also contacted Philadelphia to discuss a trade involving Ingram.
“Rumors have swirled about the Pelicans dangling Ingram in trade talks and in one iteration, a hypothetical Ingram-for-Alperen Şengün swap was mentioned, but the Rockets have no interest, team sources said. League sources said New Orleans also contacted the Philadelphia 76ers concerning a possible Ingram trade.”
Yea no thanks. Ingram is a fine scorer but Sengun is a stud. I think Sengun will end up better than Sabonis.
Really doubt it was a long conversation. Like I said, no harm in asking but yeah lol
"[The Clippers] could sign Paul George this afternoon, but the fact that they are not seemingly reacting to what his market clearly is, is something to pay attention to."👀
Are we 100% sure this is all because the Clippers are low balling him? I wonder if there's a little bit of want on PG's end to leave. He just said yesterday:
“It’s not even about ‘chasing a championship’ but it’s playing the right style of basketball is what I’m chasing.”
Whatever that means. I can't imagine that the right style of basketball is what they're offering in Philly either.
Kawhi is going to go down as one of the most interesting historical players ever. Dominant player at his best, but always hurt.
I still can't see George leave him, although he really would look good next to Embiid/Maxey in Philly.
We know where elsewhere is
@esidery
The Sixers are bowing out of the Paul George sweepstakes before free agency begins, per @ShamsCharania
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If Philadelphia is this confident in another plan, they must have assurances elsewhere. Stay tuned.
@DraftExpress
NEWS: Dayton big man DaRon Holmes has received a green room invite to attend the NBA Draft with his family, a source told ESPN.
(liked him for the Knicks)
-As for the Sixers, I'm going to predict they deal for Butler
For the Sixers yes. Knicks not so much
Love that for OKC. Chicago really should've went the pick route in a Caruso trade but they seem hellbent on making that play in year after year
PG might just not have any interest in going to Philly
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PG might just not have any interest in going to Philly
Why? I'm here 😁
I'm not sure Giddey is better than Mitch + 1sts unless you really think Giddey has a lot more in the tank. He was very bad last year.
Chicago instead decided to continue pushing forward for a playoff push.
Another example of bad asset management from Chicago waiting too long to capitalize.
I wonder if Leon made a play
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Giddy is a good player - when SGA or Williams were out his stats were very good. He is a good sidekick to Coby white
I'm not sure Giddey is better than Mitch + 1sts unless you really think Giddey has a lot more in the tank. He was very bad last year.
Good. I think he's getting very close to washed territory.
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Rumor has it their attention is on Jimmy Butler
Good. I think he's getting very close to washed territory.
I'm fine with that... The whole Playoff Jimmy thing is stupid as he's won the same number of championships as Truck Robinson
OKC gets Mitch
Knicks get Caruso
Bulls get Giddey
I've probably come up with dozens of fake stupid trades on BBI and this is the only time one of them has ever come close to actually happening, lol.
Well that's some positive news. Hopefully he's ready at the start of the season and it won't take a month into the seasonto get in shape
They are working on deals for both Jimmy butler and Zach Lavine. How they get both is beyond me, but that is what I’m hearing.
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Rumor has it their attention is on Jimmy Butler
They are working on deals for both Jimmy butler and Zach Lavine. How they get both is beyond me, but that is what I’m hearing.
I am guessing Lavine is a oure salary dump
Possible the harden story about telling George not to go to the Sixers was a plant to send a message? I know tin foil hat but still
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Possible the harden story about telling George not to go to the Sixers was a plant to send a message? I know tin foil hat but still
Yeah just weird since they cant talk to him haha, maybe he found another team?
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either he is about to sign an extension or another team has George's interest
Possible the harden story about telling George not to go to the Sixers was a plant to send a message? I know tin foil hat but still
Yeah just weird since they cant talk to him haha, maybe he found another team?
Orlando possibly?
Maybe profiles as a young Joe Ingles?
Maybe profiles as a young Joe Ingles?
I think you can find a really good role player in this draft, people are down on it because of no stars
I really like Jamal Shead out of Houston as well. He’d be a nice replacement for Deuce if they ever have to include him as a part of a trade.
Has a somewhat stable floor of defensive guru and cutter and if he develops a serviceable shot all of a sudden you have a cost controlled guy right in that 3 & D archetype. OG is about to make 40 mil, having someone in that ilk developing as his backup is only good business.
You don't even have to play him, just hire a private shooting coach and then go hang in the Maldives for 3 years and get a trillion shots up.
The problem? The Pelicans don't own the 6th pick. The Hornets do.
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Goga Bitadze, the No. 18 overall pick from 2019 draft, is a player many contending teams are targeting as a backup big option on the veteran’s minimum market.
The Clippers, Heat, Kings, Knicks, Mavericks, Pelicans and Suns are teams expected to show interest in Bitadze.
Bitadze averaged 5.0 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2 blocks in 15.4 minutes per game for the Magic.
@esidery
Goga Bitadze, the No. 18 overall pick from 2019 draft, is a player many contending teams are targeting as a backup big option on the veteran’s minimum market.
The Clippers, Heat, Kings, Knicks, Mavericks, Pelicans and Suns are teams expected to show interest in Bitadze.
Bitadze averaged 5.0 points, 4.6 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 1.2 blocks in 15.4 minutes per game for the Magic.
YES. Give me Goga.
He's an elite shot blocker and not a complete stiff offensively. I cannot for the life of me figure out why the Magic insisted on playing WCJ over him.
If we traded Mitch for something of value and replaced him with Goga for a fraction of the cost I'd be thrilled.
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Baylor Scheierman working out for the Knicks...but he can really ball. I did watch some Creighton last year and knew he could shoot but didn't realize he averaged 9 boards and 4 assists.
Maybe profiles as a young Joe Ingles?
I think you can find a really good role player in this draft, people are down on it because of no stars
Yeah I agree I'm actually pretty excited about most of the names that seem to slot in around where the Knicks are picking
“While getting OG Anunoby for $30 million per season would have been the dream for New York, expect the 26-year-old to sign a five-year, $200 million contract instead.”
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Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
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Yeah that's a big gulp but you gotta swallow and pay it. We pursued the guy for 2 seasons and we saw the affect he had on winning. Just gotta pray he stays healthy for a championship run at some point.
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Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
I would pass on PG. Not a good fit with this culture here.
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Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
I dont think you can make the deak without Randle
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Bleacher Report's latest 2024 NBA Mock Draft has the Knicks trading Mitchell Robinson and the No. 24 pick to New Orleans for Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 6 pick.
The Knicks are mocked to select UConn's Stephon Castle at No. 6, and Dayton's DaRon Holmes at No. 25.
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Bleacher Report's latest 2024 NBA Mock Draft has the Knicks trading Mitchell Robinson and the No. 24 pick to New Orleans for Larry Nance Jr. and the No. 6 pick.
The Knicks are mocked to select UConn's Stephon Castle at No. 6, and Dayton's DaRon Holmes at No. 25.
Thoughts?
Bleacher Report is just so bad.
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They published a Mock Draft that has the Knicks trading Mitch and 24 to New Orleans for 6 and Larry Nance.
The problem? The Pelicans don't own the 6th pick. The Hornets do.
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“[Clippers] have not been willing to meet Paul George’s price. He remains un-signed. You can’t just look at teams with salary cap space. If Paul George changes teams, it’s very likely going to be a situation where he opts into his contract and requests a trade.”
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Do we still want PG? He seems to just want to be a role player that makes max money. I'm not trading Julius for him. They can have Mitch and Bogie and a couple picks.
I dont think you can make the deak without Randle
Mitch, Bogie, and Deuce for PG works in the trade machine. That's probably as high as I'd go.
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Only a few contenders cna actually trade for him
Hard to judge that kind of move without knowing what Knicks do after that proposed deal. I would want to see the finished product first.
YESSSSSS
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Would they be able to keep OG and get PG?
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
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that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
on his pod just saw a clip
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that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
Nevermind just saw it. That seems like extremely reckless reporting which is Fisher's MO. He took 19 shots in his last full game a Knick. That's not enough?
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I asked my source why would KD want Minnesota and he said he loves Anthony Edwards.
Again just a rumor from a very reliable source that is connected to KD.
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that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
Nevermind just saw it. That seems like extremely reckless reporting which is Fisher's MO. He took 19 shots in his last full game a Knick. That's not enough?
Fischer is a Philly guy, he seems to be doing their bidding this offseason
I asked my source why would KD want Minnesota and he said he loves Anthony Edwards.
Again just a rumor from a very reliable source that is connected to KD.
I actually love this for both teams. Suns need size and an ANT/KD duo is fun as shit
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that OG was miffed by being the 4th option behind the villanova 3....
Right....he was so miffed he risked serious injury to play in game 7
Just curious where did you see that? It wasn’t in his article today.
Nevermind just saw it. That seems like extremely reckless reporting which is Fisher's MO. He took 19 shots in his last full game a Knick. That's not enough?
Fischer is a Philly guy, he seems to be doing their bidding this offseason
There is some smoke on the OG thing with the Knicks, from what I heard. He feels he has them by the balls and is playing hardball. I’m not sure Philly is the threat Fischer makes them out to be. Do they need a player as injury prone as Embid? However, who is to say all parties are not looking into 3 team deals. I’ll let AJ opine some more , but I have heard there is smoke to OG being difficult. The 4th option thing is a bit of nonsense as hart prefers to not shoot and Donte is very unselfish.
I've long thought that a deal around PG and Randle would make sense for both parties. I guess it'll come down to how LAC feels about Randle. Losing PG would be a massive loss for them given that they've pushed all their chips into winning now but Randle can play with Harden and Kawhi and he's younger and (usually) healthier than those guys.
There is some smoke on the OG thing with the Knicks, from what I heard. He feels he has them by the balls and is playing hardball. I’m not sure Philly is the threat Fischer makes them out to be. Do they need a player as injury prone as Embid? However, who is to say all parties are not looking into 3 team deals. I’ll let AJ opine some more , but I have heard there is smoke to OG being difficult. The 4th option thing is a bit of nonsense as hart prefers to not shoot and Donte is very unselfish.
I don't get this. Rose's son is playing hardball with Rose? Imo more likely is that this is all an effort to avoid any issues the league might have with the Rose's after they got hit with the tampering charge for Brunson
This is a crazy take. Stewart is a tweener that doesn't really fit at the 4 or 5. The Knicks interior defense and rebounding would take a massive hit
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Guessing that the Clips would want Randle.
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Gotta think that Randle and Robinson would both be shipped out for cap reasons, no?
Just fwiw:
Guessing that the Clips would want Randle.
PG is a free agent so they have little leverage. It's either our pupu platter or he goes for nothing.
We may have to add a first or two but I think we could get it done without Randle.
It’s fine they’ll draft Dunn and be net even on Hoos
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Gotta think that Randle and Robinson would both be shipped out for cap reasons, no?
Just fwiw:
Guessing that the Clips would want Randle.
PG is a free agent so they have little leverage. It's either our pupu platter or he goes for nothing.
We may have to add a first or two but I think we could get it done without Randle.
It's possible but also assumes there are no other suitors he'd be willing to go to
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Gotta think that Randle and Robinson would both be shipped out for cap reasons, no?
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Guessing that the Clips would want Randle.
PG is a free agent so they have little leverage. It's either our pupu platter or he goes for nothing.
We may have to add a first or two but I think we could get it done without Randle.
Randle, PG, OG, Brunson and IHart don't really work. PG and OG are wings, not guards. I can't see the Knicks trading for PG and re-signing OG while keeping Randle.
Randle, PG, OG, Brunson and IHart don't really work. PG and OG are wings, not guards. I can't see the Knicks trading for PG and re-signing OG while keeping Randle.
No reason PG can't play SG though
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Randle, PG, OG, Brunson and IHart don't really work. PG and OG are wings, not guards. I can't see the Knicks trading for PG and re-signing OG while keeping Randle.
No reason PG can't play SG though
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
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He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
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He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
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He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
Every accomplishment you just mentioned was done as a wing/forward. He's not a shooting guard, never has been and certainly isn't going to morph into one at 34.
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He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
Every accomplishment you just mentioned was done as a wing/forward. He's not a shooting guard, never has been and certainly isn't going to morph into one at 34.
Saying he’s never been a sg is just factually incorrect. He was for the majority of his time in Indiana playing next to Danny Granger.
But either way it’s a far more position less game than it used to be. In fact I bet he’d end up guarding a fair share of PGs and hiding Brunson on a wing.
Or you have OG guard the guard and move PG to the wing. Either way if you have two elite defensive wings that’s a great spot to be in.
Not sure if this was covered, but do you think Randle would be in a possible PG trade?
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He's not a shooting guard, especially at his advanced age. He's more of a small ball four than he is a two. He wouldn't be able to stay healthy chasing smaller guards all over the court.
I don't really agree with that. He's still a very very good perimeter defender and most teams play positionless basketball anyways. You can always use OG against quicker guards or stagger one of their main guys with the bench unit
OG struggles against smaller, quicker guards. He couldn't guard Maxey in the 76ers series. PG is 34 and has been a forward his entire career. Playing him at the 2 at 34 makes no sense.
Which matchup specifically is he struggling with? He’s a 4x all defensive player and just played 75 games and playoffs. He’s not decrepit.
Every accomplishment you just mentioned was done as a wing/forward. He's not a shooting guard, never has been and certainly isn't going to morph into one at 34.
Saying he’s never been a sg is just factually incorrect. He was for the majority of his time in Indiana playing next to Danny Granger.
But either way it’s a far more position less game than it used to be. In fact I bet he’d end up guarding a fair share of PGs and hiding Brunson on a wing.
Or you have OG guard the guard and move PG to the wing. Either way if you have two elite defensive wings that’s a great spot to be in.
Agree to disagree. I understand modern basketball. It's split up into bigs, wings and guards. OG and PG are wings. Referencing what PG did at Indiana a decade ago doesn't move the needle for me. I still don't see a fit with IHart, Randle, OG, and George. Maxey, Donovan Mitchell, Haliburton type guards will be very problematic because they won't have a defender quick enough laterally to guard them.
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He deserves it….you still annoying though"
Phoenix does not want to trade him, but reuniting KAT with Booker would ease some of the pain and might even improve them. I have heard Durant wants either Minne or GS, too much baggage with NYK, but you never know. I’d be shocked if this deal happened but very reliable source, who I forced it out of.
What are you hearing on OG? I’m hearing he is playing hardball that could cause some friction in the locker room.
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Just won a title without a real 2 or 4 in the starting lineup.
Not sure if this was covered, but do you think Randle would be in a possible PG trade?
Just my guess but I think they only do it if they’re keeping Randle
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Just won a title without a real 2 or 4 in the starting lineup.
What are you hearing on OG? I’m hearing he is playing hardball that could cause some friction in the locker room.
He’ll be back
Not anymore
And still a top tier defender
Not anymore
He's not the dominant player he was 5 years ago but even at 34 he's the exact type of player a team competing for a championship needs. If the Knicks get him without giving up Randle or other core guys (i.e. Robinson, Bogey and a some first rounders), it would be an absolute steal. We would instantly become a top contender next year if we resign Hart and OG.
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Just won a title without a real 2 or 4 in the starting lineup.
What are you hearing on OG? I’m hearing he is playing hardball that could cause some friction in the locker room.
Friction in the locker room>? Oh brother...I aint buyin that at all, with all due respect.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
In all seriousness, when I saw that report I assumed that LAC has the parameters of a deal worked out with another team already. Could also be 2-3 teams who can give LAC packages they prefer to whatever Philly can/will put together. Then of course there's the possibility that Philly leaked that to gain leverage in negotiations. There's a few possibilities here
They can’t trade Randle can they? If they can make the money work without him I think there should still be a path.
I wouldn’t give up much in the way of draft capital. Certainly not if Randle is in the deal. Mitch, Bojan and a protected 1st or two is good value for LAC who risks losing him for nothing.
Possibly related, possibly not but based on who they’ve worked out, it doesn’t seem like they’re planning to use both 1sts unless there are more workouts this week with potential 1st round guys.
They can’t trade Randle can they? If they can make the money work without him I think there should still be a path.
Thats exactly how i read it to haha
good news
Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Isiah Hartenstein, Julius Randle.
That's basically the entire starting lineup.
Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Isiah Hartenstein, Julius Randle.
That's basically the entire starting lineup.
Sam Rose?
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guys who share an agent with Paul George:
Jalen Brunson, Josh Hart, Isiah Hartenstein, Julius Randle.
That's basically the entire starting lineup.
Sam Rose?
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Pouring my tin foil cap back on. Wonder if the Jake Fischer report on OG is now unhappy is coming from Philly execs. Lots of chess going on.
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Pouring my tin foil cap back on. Wonder if the Jake Fischer report on OG is now unhappy is coming from Philly execs. Lots of chess going on.
I don't think that's tinfoil cap at all. Fischer is a known Philly guy.
PGs opt in is 48.8 mil. I believe if they take back more than they send out then they are hard capped.
The only big you got to worry about is Embiid and in the playoffs OG locked Embiid down in game 4..
You are more versatile with another bjg wing and when you face boston you can match Brown and Tatum
Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
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Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
I don’t think that’s true?
Knicks aren’t even a luxury tax team technically so they can take back more money than they send out. I agree I’m not trading Randle but I would trade Mitch Bogie and Deuce which I believe should be enough to make the cap work.
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Was watching/listening to the Lowe Post and he had Bobby Marks on. Sounds like the only way to do a trade with the Clippers is exact dollar match. That could only happen with Randle. It's confusing as all he'll but sounds like the only way is a sign and trade. We gotta get this right, whoever they get
Clippers cant take on more than George's salary, if they wrre trying to trade eith another apron team they would have to match 100% but the Knicks are not an apron team so the Knicks can take on a little bit more..
Clippers can not sign and trade him so thats why it would be an opt in and trade
100%. Otherwise he’d take the deal LAC already offered him (he still might). Thats one reason I’m not sure the Knicks would wind up pulling the trigger. You’ll have to pay him til he’s 38.
Maybe he's not a top 10 guy anymore but he just played 75 games, had career highs in FG%, 3PT% and shot 91% from the FT line. Lost to the eventual West Champs in 6 without Kawhi.
He's the oldest guy on this list by 7 years, which is obviously important context, but not only is he right there with the best shooting guards in the league, he both shot the most efficiently and is the best defender out of this group (Mikal is up there too on defense)
I did have this thought specifically for the Celtics. Randle has usually done pretty well against KP back when teams were still shoehorning him in as a 4.
Basically as strong a matchup as you can have defensively for Brown and Tatum.
Also if you wait til after the drsft to consumate and one of the picks is 24 or 25 that 2 million would also count into the money
Its probably Orlando or it has just come to a point that they arent going to sign him to the deal he wants and they want to get something back that is useful for them
Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
Brunson - Tier 2B
Anunoby - 3C
Randle - 4A
Hart - 4A
DiVincenzo - 4C
Hartenstein - 4C
Bogdanović - 5A
Here’s a (paywalled) link:
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Anyway he has 7 Knicks in his ranking, more than any other team. Knicks listed:
Brunson - Tier 2B
Anunoby - 3C
Randle - 4A
Hart - 4A
DiVincenzo - 4C
Hartenstein - 4C
Bogdanović - 5A
Here’s a (paywalled) link:
NBA Player Tiers - ( New Window )
I was prepared to be more upset at the Randle tier than I am. It's the same tier as Sabonis, Bane, KAT, Scottie Barnes are on. If anything it's probably too generous for Hart.
In fact I'd say it's also interesting that OG is the tier above that group.
It's pretty wild that PG could be on the cards for what amounts to our 8th (Bogie) and 9th (Mitch) best players
So ridiculous. Such small minded, petty people these rich fuckers are, lol. Pass.
Shams reported that the Sixers interest in Paul George has waned and are moving on and being agressive with their cap space and drsft capital leading up to the drsft
PG is obviously the better player and an all star/all nba player..
Mikal is younger and has the upside and fits like a glove with the culture and obviously younger
Mikal but only because of his age, health, and contract. With that said, there’s no world in which the packages would be the same. Given what I’d imagine they’d likely be, I prefer PG.
The Nets are so laughably pathetic. This kind of thing is the definition of little brother syndrome. And nobody on the planet even asked them to be the little brother, they decided all by themselves that they thought it would be a good idea to move into NYC and “take over the city”. Now, they are petrified to trade players to the Knicks because they play in the same city but nobody on the planet even recognizes the Nets as a New York team. They are an afterthought and passing on a better deal because they worry about the Knicks being in the same city is embarrassing as shit
Rose has been patient thus far
I don't see him chasing a huge contract unless it's perfect
I'm just saying...who says no to that?
Rose has been patient thus far
I don't see him chasing a huge contract unless it's perfect
The problem is this is the offseason to do it
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trade you probably could get both...
I'm just saying...who says no to that?
Probably Memphis. I get that it’s a weak draft but I can’t see them giving up Kennard and a first for Mitch.
Mitch for Deni would be highway robbery
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trade you probably could get both...
I'm just saying...who says no to that?
Probably Memphis. I get that it’s a weak draft but I can’t see them giving up Kennard and a first for Mitch.
Fair. I stole this part from an espn suggested trade idea but I think they also had a first gong back to the Grizz. Could definitely see the Clippers interested in getting Kennard back.
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Rose has been patient thus far
I don't see him chasing a huge contract unless it's perfect
The problem is this is the offseason to do it
What do you mean perfect to do what?
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Paul George is “the domino who will make it all go when he falls.”
Marcs a little late 😉
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Marcs a little late 😉
anymore progress?
Yeah they talk about teams and players you listen they wont report it but when they talk they arent doing it without some sort of sourced info..
Windhorst didnt jist mention the Knicks out of thin air
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Yeah they talk about teams and players you listen they wont report it but when they talk they arent doing it without some sort of sourced info..
Windhorst didnt jist mention the Knicks out of thin air
Yeah same with Kendrick Perkins and AD. He is definitely hearing something from his camp. He has been non stop. The latest this past week was that if things don't work out early with Reddick he could ask out and that he's annoyed because Reddick left him off his ballot for the all defensive team.
As for the PG stuff to me the reason that Sixers stuff came out about them waning interest is because they dont want to have to trade for George..
Guessing Clippers tried to sign George on a less max deal with less years and he said no, ill go sign with the Sixers for the max..
Clippers said wait give us a few teams you would be willing to play for who dont have cap space and we will try to trade you if you opt in..
Knicks were one of those teams and i am guessing Warriors and obviously Sixers, Sixers said no not trading..
Knicks now are trying to get a deal done before the 28th so he will opt in, if they dont he will opt out and sign with Sixers
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Yeah they talk about teams and players you listen they wont report it but when they talk they arent doing it without some sort of sourced info..
Windhorst didnt jist mention the Knicks out of thin air
Yeah same with Kendrick Perkins and AD. He is definitely hearing something from his camp. He has been non stop. The latest this past week was that if things don't work out early with Reddick he could ask out and that he's annoyed because Reddick left him off his ballot for the all defensive team.
That's so thin skinned lmao
Get OG and IHart done instead
Get OG and IHart done instead
why cant you do all 3?
Trade for George. Extend him for the 4 years he wants, Give iHart as much as you can, give OG 5/200. You just have to wait it out a bit because the cap is going to keep going up at increasingly rapid rates but soon it'll normalize.
But this is your core either way for 3-4 years and that's great, go bring home a chip.
Trade for George. Extend him for the 4 years he wants, Give iHart as much as you can, give OG 5/200. You just have to wait it out a bit because the cap is going to keep going up at increasingly rapid rates but soon it'll normalize.
But this is your core either way for 3-4 years and that's great, go bring home a chip.
^This
Trade for George. Extend him for the 4 years he wants, Give iHart as much as you can, give OG 5/200. You just have to wait it out a bit because the cap is going to keep going up at increasingly rapid rates but soon it'll normalize.
But this is your core either way for 3-4 years and that's great, go bring home a chip.
Bingo. Also I get it's tough for 2 apron teams to do a trade with eachother because it has to be dollar for dollar, so you get a 3rd or 4th team involved that has space. So what the league has been doing this for decades
Draft wednesdy and Thursday
Paul George rumors
Mitchell Robinson rumors
Lets the fun begin
Draft wednesdy and Thursday
Paul George rumors
Mitchell Robinson rumors
Lets the fun begin
Would be wonderful if we get a surprise opt in and extend by OG tomorrow but not holding my breath lol
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Draft wednesdy and Thursday
Paul George rumors
Mitchell Robinson rumors
Lets the fun begin
Would be wonderful if we get a surprise opt in and extend by OG tomorrow but not holding my breath lol
If he opted in to match his extension number with Brunsons that would be amazing, but highly doubt it..
I am jist hoping for the opt out announcement with an extension tweet coming right after
100% it gives them a lot more wiggle room
If we add PG13, the expectations are a ticket tape parade IMO. That's a team that can win the whole damn thing.
Brunson, George, OG, Randle, Hartenstein.
Divo, Hart, Precious whatever roster filler, vet minimum guys..
That's why he hasn't signed, that's why Philly is looking elsewhere. He's trying to force a move to the Knicks
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I could see it, he also made a comment about having a team eith structure and asystem
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Someone told Philly they werent in it, i dont believe for a second it was Philly's choice to back off..
1. Players talk (referencing Harden and Morey?)
2. He blamed some of the Clippers downfall on losing their role players. Now he's going to a team of 3 guys and 0 depth? I don't buy it.
Devin Booker, yes. PG, okay, I guess. Lauri Markkanen would help.
There are KD rumors too. I don't much want him, either.
And why do these trade packages with Randle treat him as if he's an average starter who has to be packaged with 4 firsts to sweeten a deal? He's a goddam All-Star. Why don't other teams have to sweeten the deal to land Julius Randle?
Keep Randle and Deuce - Amazing
Keep Randle but lose Deuce - Cool
Lose Randle and Deuce - no thanks, do something else
I think a scenario that could happen is he opts out and its immediately followed by the tweet from Woj that hr has signed with Knicks..
I think its a near lock he opts out, questiom is has he agreed to a contract yet
Did the injuries at the end of the season change things???
When deals are broken by Woj or Shams doesnt really matter it is the order in which the Knicks make them official..
For exmaple OG can be broken today and George broken Wednesday or thursday but then when they become official they announce George first and then OG
Sounds like a real asset (and spent time with Jalen Brunson in Dallas)
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Goga is great. He gave the Knicks a lot of trouble. I’m fully onboard with him as a backup big.
Would be curious to know the others
I don’t think Orlando is, or at least not one of his top choices if he opts in.
The age is a bit of a concern but the young perfect superstar is probably not going to be available and getable. Now is the time to take a big swing. This roster with George can win a title.
It makes a lot of sense for him too. I wouldn’t want to be hitching my wagon to Kawhi the next few years.
What would trade package look like?
In all seriousness I do think there's a world where they overpay Julius to help facilitate a trade if they become a second apron team.
Maybe they get PG this offseason, AD next? Brunson-PG-OG-AD-iHart is an unreal starting lineup.
Best assortment of defensive players since...04 Pistons?
The age is a bit of a concern but the young perfect superstar is probably not going to be available and getable. Now is the time to take a big swing. This roster with George can win a title.
It makes a lot of sense for him too. I wouldn’t want to be hitching my wagon to Kawhi the next few years.
What would trade package look like?
Probably the core trade is Mitch, Bogie and 2-3 first rounders. Hopefully you can keep Deuce out of the deal
Great hire.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
Keep in mind the Knicks have a 6.8 mill trade exception and Shake Milton is due 5 mill next season.
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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
Keep in mind the Knicks have a 6.8 mill trade exception and Shake Milton is due 5 mill next season.
The trade exception is useless in this scenario, can't be combined with anything else. Re: Milton, Detroit bought him out of that contract and the Knicks signed him to a 1 year vet min deal
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Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
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ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
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reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
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ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
Lol in the past week every guy has "played there way out of the Knicks range". Well somebody has to be there, they all can't get drafted in the first 23 picks.
@TheStrickland
Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
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ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
They have the Knicks taking Collier with one of their picks. Would love that as a developmental, high upside swing. Hard t see him falling that far though
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Virginia F Ryan Dunn has excelled in workouts and may have played his way out of the Knicks' range, according to multiple reports
Dunn is "gaining steam" to get drafted in the early 20s after "a slew of outstanding workouts" this month, per ESPN's @DraftExpress
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ESPN has Dunn going at No. 22 to Phoenix in today's mock draft.
Several teams have said Dunn "exceeded expectations with his shooting while also doing some absolutely mesmerizing things defensively in guarding point guards through centers in group settings."
HoopsHype's @MikeAScotto
reported today that "some in New York believe Dunn will be off the board" when the Knicks are on the clock at No. 24.
They have the Knicks taking Collier with one of their picks. Would love that as a developmental, high upside swing. Hard t see him falling that far though
Generally speaking when I see fans of multiple teams hoping "player X" who is a high upside, "lottery ticket" type to fall to them, said player ends up going a lot higher than people expect.
For sure. I'm not saying he has no shot of being there when they pick. I just see him mentioned as a popular "lottery ticket" "huge upside" guy from multiple fan bases, more so than some other players. The Ringer has him in the Knicks range (19th)
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..
You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..
You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
Where are you getting the $166M from? The sites I've seen don't include OG's cap hold once he opts out today, does your projection account for that? In that scenario, even if they moved fast before actually inking iHart and OG, a deal for George without Randle would hard cap them at the first apron.
The only other possibility aside from maybe the sign draft picks, wait a month and trade path would be a 3-team trade where Precious goes to a third team in a sign and trade who sends outgoing salary to LAC to match George's contract.
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Hartenstein and/or OG walking, I don't see a path to trade for a PG that doesn't include Randle. A trade without Randle would trigger the hard cap with multiple roster spots left to fill. The one possibility I'm unsure about (and it's a very narrow one anyways), would be if the Knicks were to use both their 1st round picks, sign them and then wait the necessary 30 days to include them in a trade which gives them about ~$5M or so to include.
As much as I like Paul George and love the fit, Trading Randle and Bojan or Mitch for him is a bit rich for me. Only way I could see that happening is if Randle wants an extension that the Knicks aren't willing to give him and plans to walk after next season. In that case, a PG return might be the best they can get.
All depends on what the starting salary is for OG and Hartenstein...with OG signed starting at 35 and Bojan, mitch and Deuce traded for George that puts you around 166..
You can mess around with incentives and things like that as well
Yeah absolutely. With all due respect we look at numbers but we're not NBA capologists. The Knicks have so many moving parts this off season that we have no way of knowing the order they get done or structures of the contracts and what this all means in relation to a potential trade. We can look at Sportac all we want but Rose and his staff have proven to be very adept and punching in #'s that help make everything work.
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Washington Wizards +225
Atlanta Hawks +240
Detroit Pistons +325
LA Lakers +700
Portland Trail Blazers +700
Brooklyn Nets +700
Milwaukee Bucks +950
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This a good trade for Knicks !Thanks Mitch !!!
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This a good trade for Knicks !Thanks Mitch !!!
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I guess they could also mutually agree to push back the opt out date close to 7/1
Whuh? Huh??
Great player, but that's a lot for someone who's never averaged more than 20 PPG.
Then again OG is about to get 200 and he's older and even worse as a scorer.
He's not worth that now but maybe he continues to grow to be worth those $$$?
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well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Brunson chose to come to the Knicks, he signed on long term with the Knicks because he wanted to join the Knicks. He grew up around the team, he's known Leon Rose for most of his life, went to college "locally", dad on the coaching staff. OG was traded to the Knicks. There are not similar situations (and it should be noted, Brunson has yet to actually take less, it's being suggested he might, further... it's a story because it's so unusual, not the expectation or the norm). Should other Knicks players expect FA's to sign here "for less"? OG played 23 regular season games as a Knick.
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well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Brunson chose to come to the Knicks, he signed on long term with the Knicks because he wanted to join the Knicks. He grew up around the team, he's known Leon Rose for most of his life, went to college "locally", dad on the coaching staff. OG was traded to the Knicks. There are not similar situations (and it should be noted, Brunson has yet to actually take less, it's being suggested he might, further... it's a story because it's so unusual, not the expectation or the norm). Should other Knicks players expect FA's to sign here "for less"? OG played 23 regular season games as a Knick.
Brunson also makes money off the court as a Knick and after this past season there will only be more money to be made there. Barring a significant improvement offensively (and even then I'm skeptical given his personality), OG won't have those same opportunities.
Yeah from connecting the dots I think this is spot on.
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Thanks AJ...do you like the move for the Knicks? You hearing anything with anthony davis?
Under the prior CBA, the Knicks could use owner James Dolan's deep resources to keep this group together after making it to the second round of the playoffs for a second straight year. Now, the Knicks have some difficult choices ahead.
If the Knicks re-sign both center Isaiah Hartenstein and forward OG Anunoby and don't cut any salary, they'll be far into the second apron, limiting their ability to make a big swing for a star. As a result, New York could cut salary by trading their other center, Mitchell Robinson, or by moving on from Bojan Bogdanovic's partially guaranteed deal.
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Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
I think that's right
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well within his right to ask for every last penny and use what leverage he has to get it. Players for the most part are all about other players getting their money over all else. OG played half of a season with the Knicks, I find it implausible that other Knicks would expect him to accept anything less than the most he can get.
Not when Brunson is thinking about sacrificing and taking less
Crazy and unrealistic way to look at it.
He's not worth that now but maybe he continues to grow to be worth those $$$?
He's 22 years old. Most times when you pay a player their first real money it's for what you think he can develop into.
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As to why we haven’t heard anything on OG yet. Is today a hard deadline for him to opt out?
Yeah at midnight although they can agree to push it back. Not sure there's much to hear at this point. Seems like the direction it's trending is that he'll hit UFA before a deal is worked out
Can they push it back? i thought options couldnt be moved only guarantee dates
Doesn't matter now since he already opted out, but you can. They did it last year with Hart
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Bring back Precious, and bring a vet big like Drummond for when you face a guy like Embiid
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..
I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
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"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..
I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
I believe the new second apron rules don't go into effect until 7/1, no? Might be why Windhorst said he thinks this is going to come to a head very soon.
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@NBA_NewYork
"Growing feeling leaguewide Paul George picking up his $48.8m option for next season to force trade's an increasingly realistic scenario…Free agency begins Sunday 6pm…could see this…play out by then…pretty sure Warriors are as interested as Knicks—maybe more"
–– Marc Stein
That tells me that George is comfortable with the teams interedted in him via trade and that he is confident the Clippers have a deal in place to make sure it happens..
I just dont see hoe the Warriors can pull this off, they are way over the second apron it would rpobably need to be a multi team trade sending out a ton of contracts
I believe the new second apron rules don't go into effect until 7/1, no? Might be why Windhorst said he thinks this is going to come to a head very soon.
Maybe lol i dont know hahaha
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
You have a right to be frustrated with that because George’s family is all in Cali and he has said he loves being able to play while having them at all the games. San Fran is a lot closer to LA than NY, lol. The Warriors could be a legit threat here
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol
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. The bigger issue for GS is what they have to trade. Would they really part with Kuminga or Podziemski? If not, then there won't be much of any value they can give up
They seem pretty committed to going for one last run with Steph. I definitely could see at least one if not both of those guys being included. Moody in the mix as well.
I'm ambivalent on Pod but trading Kuminga would be a terrible decision imo. He's still only 21 and getting better. It's not a given that PG outperforms him over the course of the next 3 years
What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
Wiggins is terrible, like really bad and his contract is awful, 3 more years above 26 million a year..
They also only have 2 tradeable 1st round picks
They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
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The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
They should trade steph, they could get an absolute haul in picks and players....
What about Wiggins, Moody and picks? Even that's probably better than Mitch, Bogie and picks. Which sucks but is probably true.
I'm not so sure about that. I think the Wiggins contract is a negative asset right now and if the Knicks wanted to include them, have many more tradeable 1st round picks.
I'm skeptical that there's a way to make any deal work without Randle, but if there is one it has to include Deuce. Outside of Kuminga and Randle, that would be the best asset either team would put in the deal.
They wont and i get why, but sometimes you got to take emotion out of it
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The Warriors are dumb AF if they think their core can still contend for a title. That window is now closed. Steph is what, 35? He's still amazing, but he's probably nearing the end. Same for Klay & Draymond. Throw in the talent in the West...I don't see it. They seized probably their last drop from that core in '21-'22.
They are hanging on for dear life to remain relevant while Steph is still around. They won’t admit it’s over until he’s gone. They have to keep Steph happy or face a trade demand which will send that franchise straight back to irrelevance. They are desperate
They should trade steph, they could get an absolute haul in picks and players....
I agree 100% but I’m guessing ownership would be too petrified of the fan backlash
Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol
The Warriors won 46 games last year, it’s not like they were a bad team. They were also very good the second half of the year after a slow start to the season. Dallas made the finals after a 50 win season, as good as the West is, anything can happen.
I don’t think it’s crazy at all for them to think that they can be in the mix next year by upgrading from Klay to George and getting another year of development from guys like Podziemski, Kuminga or whoever they don’t send out for PG.
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if they trade for George they are really dumb, they arent going to be that much better with George lol, they arent winning the west..
Kuminga is a future stsr and maybe even a future paul george lol
The Warriors won 46 games last year, it’s not like they were a bad team. They were also very good the second half of the year after a slow start to the season. Dallas made the finals after a 50 win season, as good as the West is, anything can happen.
I don’t think it’s crazy at all for them to think that they can be in the mix next year by upgrading from Klay to George and getting another year of development from guys like Podziemski, Kuminga or whoever they don’t send out for PG.
36 year old Curry, 34 year old George and 34yearold Green aren’t coming remotely close to coming out of the West. The conference is absolutely loaded with young teams that will continue to get better. No chance. Come on now
Ultimately he still has all the leverage if he wants it by just telling teams he won't extend there.
He also said the Knicks continue to try and tlak to the Nets about Mikal Bridges
He also said the Knicks continue to try and tlak to the Nets about Mikal Bridges
Oh hell yeah maybe there's someone they really like. Devin Carter is as Thibsian as it gets.
I haven't really been attention to the top of the draft but people seem to think Ron Holland will drop and aren't sure why. But he's another wing they may like.
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
That beginning just blew my mind. Clippers can't get hard capped so they can pay Harden. Plus Knicks can't get hard capped to the first to pay everyone. This CBA sucks
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
That beginning just blew my mind. Clippers can't get hard capped so they can pay Harden. Plus Knicks can't get hard capped to the first to pay everyone. This CBA sucks
Yeah its insane how you have to jump through all these hoops to make a deal work, i like to think i am lretty good with knowing the cap but these new rules are crazy
Is this where the Mitch talks are coming from?
Fit, george is a better player, better matchup to beat Boston...
Also are you paying Randle 45 to 50 million next year?
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
Hmmm well not drop dead in love with it, but don't hate it. It's a lot to give up. I like Deni's versatility to his game. Sort of like OG lite. Can play small ball 4 and 3. PG/OG/Deni gives you a hell of a lot of versatility. Thing is I love Thibs, but he's pretty rote and set in his ways. He's stubborn at times. Would be interesting to see if embraces the lineup versatility.
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I don't get it.
Fit, george is a better player, better matchup to beat Boston...
Also are you paying Randle 45 to 50 million next year?
George is NEVER healthy, much older, and will be getting paid a ton as well. I am all for moving Randle but it doesn't make sense for PG imo. I also don't agree with the better fit. Randle played great with Brunson last year and everyone knows I am not a big Randle fan.
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
I can’t see Washington trading Deni for that package
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
This would be an unbelievable trade. I am going to keep beating the drum that Deni is really good and is definitely the third best player in that trade.
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
I can’t see Washington trading Deni for that package
Obviously draft picks would be involved
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I don't get it.
Fit, george is a better player, better matchup to beat Boston...
Also are you paying Randle 45 to 50 million next year?
Hmmmm Randle may not be here for too many more years...
I still don't want PG,he's not worth the $.
Patience is the best player here
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
This would be an unbelievable trade. I am going to keep beating the drum that Deni is really good and is definitely the third best player in that trade.
Found this which I think is interesting. Per 36 nearly identical in Rebounds and Assists and literally the exact same TS%. And Deni is 6 years younger.
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works for a Paul George trsd eand he is theorizing that the Mitch and Wizards talks are actually part of a 3 team trade involving the Clippers and PG..
Knicks get: George and Deni
Clippers get: Randle and diakite
Mitch, Bojan and jefferies to Wizards
This would be an unbelievable trade. I am going to keep beating the drum that Deni is really good and is definitely the third best player in that trade.
Found this which I think is interesting. Per 36 nearly identical in Rebounds and Assists and literally the exact same TS%. And Deni is 6 years younger.
I think it’s fair to point out however that he’s generally getting those numbers against smaller defenders as he’s a SF while Julius is going against bigger bodies. If he replaces Randle is his being 30-40 lbs lighter than Randle going to impact his production? I don’t know the answer and Thibs is the guy to figure it out but I just think it’s worth noting
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I don't get it.
Leon Rose's daughter posted a picture of him "working the phones" last night. It may mean nothing but as most offseason shit goes, everyone is looking for hints to things going down.
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I don't get it.
I think the implication is Leon is working hard on trades and maybe something is close?
I do think we're in the window where any minute now a trade can be announced. Would not surprise me at all if all sides wanted this done before the draft so picks can be made with the future roster state in mind.
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I don't get it.
I think the implication is Leon is working hard on trades and maybe something is close?
I do think we're in the window where any minute now a trade can be announced. Would not surprise me at all if all sides wanted this done before the draft so picks can be made with the future roster state in mind.
I think George trade couod be announced today, tomorrow or thursday, i think George and the clippers will want the deal done with a couple of days to spare just in case..
a Mikal Bridges if its going to happen will haporn today or tomorrow because the Nets want a pick this yesr
Precious is almost certainly gone. Mitch seems to be a likely trade candidate. By the end of the year Jericho was the 4th option.
Even if they sign Goga or Drummond or some backup to iHart, you're one achilles flare up from a 48 minute center rotation of Goga and Jericho.
I think you need more talent in that room. I could see them trading up for Kel'el Ware who they just had in for a visit. You don't bring in a guy a few days before the draft unless there's serious interest, and Ware wouldn't make the trip unless he thought he could go there.
I think he's going to be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a star but I don't see anything Derrick Lively is doing right now that Ware can't. Definitely not a mauler but can shoot can block shots, has nice touch. I think he has a ton of upside.
yeah and we obsess in here on getting him to the Knicks but they don't have to deal with that at all with multiple teams interested they could drive his price sky high and deal him far away from the city to a team like Houston for a haul.
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What I don’t understand is what star they’re chasing to pair with Bridges. Donovan Mitchell was the hot name for awhile but all signs point to him extending with Cleveland. So that leaves, Trae Young? I have a feeling he’s not getting moved either
Precious is almost certainly gone. Mitch seems to be a likely trade candidate. By the end of the year Jericho was the 4th option.
Even if they sign Goga or Drummond or some backup to iHart, you're one achilles flare up from a 48 minute center rotation of Goga and Jericho.
I think you need more talent in that room. I could see them trading up for Kel'el Ware who they just had in for a visit. You don't bring in a guy a few days before the draft unless there's serious interest, and Ware wouldn't make the trip unless he thought he could go there.
I think he's going to be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a star but I don't see anything Derrick Lively is doing right now that Ware can't. Definitely not a mauler but can shoot can block shots, has nice touch. I think he has a ton of upside.
Ware is one of my favorite potential picks for the Knicks. Missi would also be a good get. Maybe if they move up to the teens, Edey could be on the board as well
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AJR - any updates on your end on OG or a trade for PG?
Nothing new
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
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the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
"Ajay Mitchell, Jonathan Mogbo, Enrique Freeman, Kel’el Ware and Antonio Reeves have all worked out for the Knicks recently and presumably are on New York’s radar as the draft approaches."
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the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
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The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
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The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The only non Randle way to do is to send out Hart or Dante which I strongly doubt they will do
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The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The only non Randle way to do is to send out Hart or Dante which I strongly doubt they will do
That’s only in a direct 2 team deal. In a 3 team deal, they could for example sign and trade Precious or Burks to send out additional salary. They could also use both their first round picks or use one first and a second to move up for a higher salary slot, sign those guys and wait a month to execute the deal so their salaries can be included. Like I said, it gets complicated but it is possible.
Zero chance OG is signed first, he cant become official until july 6th..George has to opt in by friday..
and even if OG signs first they arent a second apron team..
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the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
This is not true
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the Robinson rumors are in conjunction with a bigger Paul George trade, any talks involving him are because of the bigger deal
I haven't played around with the numbers yet but it's possible they're working on a way to send Kuzma to LAC who would be a nice fit there and makes ~$8M or so more than Mitch to match PG's contract. That makes more sense to me than them moving Avdija. Could be contingent on the draft too. I doubt they'd be as interested in Mitch if they wind up with Sarr at 2, unless it's more about whatever pick compensation they'd get vs the player.
Forgot to add, this would be in an effort to avoid having to include Randle
The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
This is not true
It absolutely is true. Go rewatch the KFS video again
49 for george
24 for Jalen
28 for Randle
18 for hart
11 for divo
thats 130..35 milion for og gets you to 165..
It may prevent you from signing Hartenstein but it wont prevent you from signing OG
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49 for george
24 for Jalen
28 for Randle
18 for hart
11 for divo
thats 130..35 milion for og gets you to 165..
It may prevent you from signing Hartenstein but it wont prevent you from signing OG
You're missing cap holds for like 11 guys and also you're just gonna let iHart walk and have no centers since Mitch is being traded?
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The problem is without Randle you’re sending out more than you’re taking back which hardcaps you and prevents you from signing OG
Not necessarily in a multi-team scenario but that gets complicated.
More likely though is that if they can get PG and keep Randle, they may be find with being hard capped. Order of operations matters though. They can agree on the deal with execute an OG extension before the PG deal is official
The only non Randle way to do is to send out Hart or Dante which I strongly doubt they will do
That’s only in a direct 2 team deal. In a 3 team deal, they could for example sign and trade Precious or Burks to send out additional salary. They could also use both their first round picks or use one first and a second to move up for a higher salary slot, sign those guys and wait a month to execute the deal so their salaries can be included. Like I said, it gets complicated but it is possible.
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
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49 for george
24 for Jalen
28 for Randle
18 for hart
11 for divo
thats 130..35 milion for og gets you to 165..
It may prevent you from signing Hartenstein but it wont prevent you from signing OG
You're missing cap holds for like 11 guys and also you're just gonna let iHart walk and have no centers since Mitch is being traded?
6 guys, so thats 8 cap holds..
2 spots for draft picks at around 3 million if they arent in the deal..
you can sign a couple of vet minimum deals like Andre drummond to fill spots..
Either way they will most likely use a 3rd team to circumvent being hard capped at the first apron and most likely be hard capped at apron 2..
This is way you stack the cupboard of picks
Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
It also occurred to me that the Knicks could be posturing in an attempt to get Randle to accept a team-friendly extension
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and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
It also occurred to me that the Knicks could be posturing in an attempt to get Randle to accept a team-friendly extension
Yeah i am sure they went to him early on and said if you dont want to extend thats fine, but then we are going to put you in trades
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
I think George is playing games and will stay with LA. He is just trying extract the best contract possible. He wants to stay in LA and be near his family.
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and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
I think George is playing games and will stay with LA. He is just trying extract the best contract possible. He wants to stay in LA and be near his family.
He doesnt need to play games he has a team eith cap space, there are no reason for games..
If opt in and trades are being discussed its the clippers who initiated that scenario
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and George is said to be leaning towards opting in..
Clippers must have paramters of a deal with someone, if its the Knicks, my guess is the deal they have set includes Randle and kNicks are trying to work one without Randle and if they cant they will do the deal they have the paramaters for
I think George is playing games and will stay with LA. He is just trying extract the best contract possible. He wants to stay in LA and be near his family.
He doesnt need to play games he has a team eith cap space, there are no reason for games..
If opt in and trades are being discussed its the clippers who initiated that scenario
He does not want to play for the teams that have cap space, this is a game of chicken. He wants to stay with LA, but wants the same extension that Kawhi Leonard got and the Clips seem to be balking at that. Thus, he threatens to opt in and wants a trade to GS or NYK, where they most likely will not get a player of PG's ability. We can talk about Randle being a good return and maybe he is, but I have said this before and I know it for a fact, other teams don't see Randle the way the Knicks do.
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Exactly, he is just trying to get as much money and years that he can.
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
There is no need to insult nygiants16, he’s a good poster. You’re the guy that copied and pasted, word for word tweets by Macri and then posted them here as your own and claimed it came from your close “sources” so please spare us all this “I’ve forgotten more about basketball…” bullshit. Anything you post must be taken with an enormous grain of salt
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
Whats with the personal shot? lol
Nkbody said his preference was not to stay with the clippers
No personal shot, but don't enjoy you telling me that my scenario makes no sense. Honestly, I enjoy your posts and opinions, you are one of the posters that makes me read and interact.
I was trying to stay that whatever posturing PG and the Clippers are doing, they both most likely will end up back together with some sort of extension that aligns with Kawhi's timeline.
I have a feeling the Knicks are working on other things, possibly players we are not thinking of.
I've always said, if they want to take the next step with this current nucleus, they need a 2 way center like a Myles Turner, KP, etc to at least share minutes with either IHart or Robinson. It is why I mentioned Zach Edey right after the season ended.
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if he had no leverage the Clippers would just call his bluff and tell him to opt out..
Threatening to opt in and asking for a trade is not a threat to the clippers...
The clippers ar einitiating the opt in discussions because they know they wont sign him and they also dont want to lose him for nothing..
and he doesnt want the Kawhi contract, he wants 4 years and max money
You always know best, even though I have forgotten more basketball than you will ever know. Let's just see what happens, but I would be very surprised if he does not stay with the Clippers.
Also, this Randle speculation is dumb, a lot of the appeal for PG to come to the Knicks is Randle. They are friends, one of the few friends Randle has in the league. There is no relationship between George and Brunson.
I don't really think that has any bearing on anything. He'd want to come to the Knicks because they're a contending team on the rise where he fits like a glove and they have the CAA connection in the eastern conference. Not to mention, would presumably be willing to give him the contract he wants
But the idea he is threatening to opt in makes zero sense, why would the Clippers care if he opts in?
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
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The Trade
Los Angeles Clippers Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, Julius Randle, Miles McBride, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, No. 38 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL; top-four protected), 2026 first-round pick
New York Knicks Acquire: Paul George
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
I'd make that Wizards deal in a millisecond. I don't believe they would.
I don't think they'd actually move Deni but 3 firsts is a lot even if they're not the best firsts. I wonder though if they'd be more interested in swapping out the Bucks pick for their own
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
I don't think it's a bad return is my point. I think for the Wizards, the question is how all these guys fit depending on where they go with 2. If they wind up with Risacher, they'll have him Coulibaly, Kuzma, Deni all 3's/4's. I happen to think Kuzma will be the odd man out but who knows
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
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and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
nobody has said he doesnt want to go there
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Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
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see 3 firsts being such a huge return when 1 is one of the Knicks 2024 picks (limited value in a bad draft), another being the Knicks 2025 pick (barring injury to Jalen Brunson the Knicks will be picking very late) and the Bucks pick. Deni is 23 years old, he's basically your "2024 pick" AND is on an extremely team friendly contract (4 years 55 million)
Has there been any noise outside of this thread that Wash is interested in trading Deni or the Knicks are interested. He does not seem like a Thibs players and the Knicks passed on him in the draft to pick Obi Toppin. I'm just curious. I'd say he could potentially play some center, but never for thibs.
He definitely improved last year and could be an emerging player and he is signed for a few more years, so curious Washington's motivation to trade him.
Trade idea comes from Grant Hughes of the Bleacher Report
"The Trade
New York Knicks Acquire: Deni Avdija
Washington Wizards Acquire: Bojan Bogdanović, No. 24 pick in 2024 draft, 2025 first-round pick, 2025 first-round pick (via MIL)
Deni Avdija should be on every competitive team's list of targets, so the Knicks might have to dig deeper into their cache of draft assets to land him. If it takes throwing in the top-13-protected 2025 first-rounder coming from the Pistons, they should strongly consider it.
Avdija is an up-and-coming two-way threat on the wing. He's capable of defending multiple positions, distributing and, as of last season, hitting threes. His 37.4 percent knockdown clip from beyond the arc raised his ceiling considerably.
In New York, he'd add heft to an otherwise undersized wing rotation and slot in perfectly next to OG Anunoby (player option). Critically, his ability to facilitate would ease the burden on Jalen Brunson and allow the Knicks to move off Julius Randle's contract in a separate deal.
Washington should be intensely focused on collecting as many future first-rounders as possible, even if that means accepting picks with protections. The goal should be accumulating the maximum amount of lottery tickets for the 2025 draft with an eye toward projected top pick Cooper Flagg."
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says George's preference is to remain with the Clippers on a 4 year deal but they have yet to guarantee 4 years. I think he remains a Clipper
Could be a game of chicken. I will say, reading the LAC reddit it's shockingly nearly unanimous that they are over it and want to move on from him and get something of value in return. They feel that the current team they're locked into has already reached its ceiling
I agree with this. I did head over there and they're all pretty over him, which is somewhat concerning honestly when it's this unanimous.
He's also a fairly big excuse maker, which doesn't really play in NY.
He would definitely help the Knicks but paying him all that money for the next 4 years when he wasn't worth that money the previous 4 years is a risky move for a 34 year old.
Well the All NBA team misses are tied to the injuries. Last year was his first time playing over 56 games in a season as a Clipper. Which is concerning, but for different reasons than dropoff in ability, which I'm not sure I totally buy.
He just had his best ever season shooting and played 74 games. Main difference is he had a true PG instead of he and Kawhi trading off possessions. Who knows how the health will hold up though. Probably not great
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Can't sign and trade and aggregate salaries so that's not an option.
Plus on top of all of this the Clippers as ajr said aren't just sitting on empty roster spots.
It's not feasible to not include Randle, keep OG and keep iHart, as much as I'd like to.
Yes you can. Cavs did it with Sexton in the Mitchell trade. It just needs to be a multi-team trade because LAC can't acquire a player via sign and trade
That was the old CBA. It's specifically been prohibited in the new one which goes into effect 7/1
I don't believe that's correct unless you're a second apron team
@MontePooleNBCS
“Getting a veteran impact player almost certainly would require moving Jonathan Kuminga, who projects to have the highest upside of Golden State’s under-25 players.
The Warriors have exhibited no desire to part with Kuminga, and their same intent has been applied to Moses Moody, Brandin Podziemski and Trayce Jackson-Davis.”
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What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
where did he say this?
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like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
The Clippers have stood firm on not offering up the 4 year deal that he wants for some time now. Are they trying to gauge the market to see what they can get in return and if they can't get what they want cave on the 4th year? Have they just been hoping that PG cave and take the deal on the table? Seems like it's still very much up in the air.
Not saying that I would do it from the Knicks perspective but if I'm LAC and I can get Randle for PG, I'd do it. He's a good fit with Kawhi, younger than their geriatric roster and (this past season aside) has been very durable unlike Kawhi and PG
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
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like Stein expects PG13 to remain with the Clippers as well
What a fucking letdown. Shame on me for getting my hopes up.
On to the next I guess. Mikal?
Kevin Durant is quietly being shopped as he wants out, but as mentioned last week, the hot rumor within the league is a potential straight up sawa for KAT. However, given the the T-wolves tenuous ownership, other teams could get into the mix.
Yeah I mean I’d love KD. He’s a tier above George as a scorer and maybe similar baggage? I do trust that he just wants to ball in a way that I’m not as sure of for PG.
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
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that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
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The executive who suggested the poorest average annual value for Anunoby, $120 million over four years, made sure to point out that what he considered a fair contract was not in line with his prediction for what would play out this summer. Instead, he anticipated Anunoby — who declined a $19.9 million player option Monday, a league source said, and will officially become an unrestricted free agent June 30 — would earn far more.
Why?
“Because he’s got the Knicks by the balls,” the executive said. “They can’t lose him, the same way (Pascal) Siakam’s getting the max from (the) Indiana (Pacers). You can’t trade for somebody, give so much up and then let him go. It’s not feasible.”
Makes sense
Might be "shocking" language but it's nothing new to us or the Knicks. He has all of the leverage and will be paid accordingly. Will he get max? I somehow doubt it but far closer to that then the 5 for 150-175 type of estimates people were guessing.
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and saying hey i am willing to opt in and be traded, these are the teams i woukd be interested in is him doing a favor to the Clippers, its not him working the zclippers to get his deal...
His threat is he is going to opt out and leave via free agnecy
He did the same thing with indiana, he went to them ahead of time and said hey i am leaving whrn my contract is up jf you want to trade me and get somethjng for me..
PG has always wanted LA, he is finally there, so I'm not sure what I believe with all of this and I think it will end with him getting an extension to stay that aligns with Kawhi and Harden will follow.
If PG wanted to leave, he would opt out and sign with Philly. Why would he not want to go there? Embid is the best player in the league when not hurt and Maxey is a great guy and an emerging star. I don't care about the Morey/Harden crap.
Or Philly and LA don’t want to give him the deal he wants
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that George wants a 4 year deal and his preference as we all knew was to stay with the Clippers but they are not willing to go to that 4 year max deal..
I dont know where he said he thinks PG is going back to the Clippers
I can't get back into the paid portion of his substack but he basically said the feeling is George getting that 4th year and remaining with LAC is the most likely outcome and then goes on to say that an all-star that *is* likely to be traded is Brandon Ingram aka George is not likely to be traded.
This is what he said:
Among the key elements regarding Paul George's future with the Clippers or elsewhere: League sources say that the 34-year-old continues to seek a new four-year contract.
Returning to the Clippers has long been regarded as George's preferred scenario, but L.A. is believed to this point to be offering a shorter deal along the lines of what it struck with Kawhi Leonard. In January, without warning, it was announced that Leonard had signed a three-year extension with the Clippers in the $150 million range
Can George nudge the Clippers into giving him a four-year deal — longer than Leonard's — by seriously entertaining his departure? That's the ongoing dance this week
Which means his preference is to remain with the Clippers
If george wanted to play the lecerage card he wouodnt agree to opt in
We know he would like that to be LA but right now doesnt look like that is the case
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
Hollinger loves Mogbo
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but Jesus Christ man, you're about to make 150 mil at minimum. If you really want to be in LA just take the money and figure out what you can get in year 4 down the line.
The guy grew up in LA, idolized Kobe (but grew up a Clippers fan), played HS ball there, college ball there, has banked over 300 million in his career, has his podcast and all of that stuff and if you believe the reports it's completely about the 4th year not trying to join a better team etc.
Right like something does not add up. This is why I think there's a reasonable situation here where the entire time he's wanted to join the Knicks to try to win a chip.
Or he's really just fighting for that 4th year as a point of principle. Im not sure but it's a strange situation.
But i think people are reading the opt in and trade wrong, thats not leverage thats working together to find a team that will pay him and is a contender..
Now is he willing to opt in no matter what? that is a big question..
I personally dont think he opts in unless a trade is ready to be done, otherwise he opts out and maybe re-signs or signs somehwre else
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sure how many of these guys were given second workouts but Mogbo getting 2 is interesting. He's been projected round 2 but I've seen him as high as late 1.
Hollinger loves Mogbo
A LOT to like in regard to Mogbo. His lack of outside shot obviously limits his upside (unless of course you're buying that he supposedly has displayed surprisingly solid range in workouts, 69.2% from the line also *potentially* gives you some optimism there) but he runs the court like a guard, 7'2" wingspan, very good passer for his size
I'd be shocked if they didn't use at least 1 frp
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Hard to get too excited about the draft for the Knicks, because can't imagine them keeping these picks.
I'd be shocked if they didn't use at least 1 frp
I hope they do, some nice rotational pieces in the 15-40 range.
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Hard to get too excited about the draft for the Knicks, because can't imagine them keeping these picks.
I'd be shocked if they didn't use at least 1 frp
I think they trade 1 in either a kick the can or in a bigger trade..
The other they package with thwir 2nd and maybe a future pick to move up to the teens
Has it been reported why he wants Washington and not Atlanta? Neither are dream destinations but it's an odd preference to have.
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Sarr looking to pull an Eli by not working out for the Hawks, seems like very high odds it'll be Risacher #1 with some late buzz on Clingan. I don't envy the Hawks, what a crap year to pick 1st or even high at all.
Has it been reported why he wants Washington and not Atlanta? Neither are dream destinations but it's an odd preference to have.
He wouldn't answer the question today. He basically "blamed" his handlers. I guess theoretically, he'd be option #1 or #2 from the jump with the Wizards but even then...maybe he is trying to force his way to Houston or SA (far more appealing organizations) but he worked out for the Wizards so...
Also Berman says Knicks are interested jn joining the Jimmy Butler Sweepstakes
I feel like that site is run by 11 year old kids.
Also said OG negotiations and George negotiations have nothing to do with the other
That trade would end up like when they got Kiki Vandeweigh and Rolando Blackman a year or 2 too late. Also, there would be a serious premium from the Heat.
ive wondered about that since he/heat started publicly bickering. seems like fit there if both sides can get past the all the history/baggage. think knicks seemingly have more they can offer heat than philly.
I'll say this quite a few of the players they are being connected to seem like Thibs-types. I mean, yeah "duh" but I'm talking about players who seem like they can come in immediately and slide into the rotation or at least provide some depth.
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says he hears that the Knicks are going to make their picks and they will be players that fit Thibs is system.
I'll say this quite a few of the players they are being connected to seem like Thibs-types. I mean, yeah "duh" but I'm talking about players who seem like they can come in immediately and slide into the rotation or at least provide some depth.
He mentioned Ware specifically - says he can do some of what Derek Lively did.
Mogbo has some things working against him, which is why I couldn’t quite get him into my top 20. He’s only 6-6 and played as a rim-running five at San Francisco, making zero 3-pointers and attempting only two all season. He’s already 22. And he didn’t play in a power conference.
Nonetheless, he becomes a compelling proposition because the strengths here are strong; if the shooting comes around at all, he has a great chance to be a steal in the back half of the draft. Mogbo played guard as a kid before a late growth spurt and handles the ball very well for his size, but more importantly, he is a good passer who averaged 7.4 dimes per 100 possessions – lofty stuff for a center. He’s able to push his own rebounds, lead the break and make decisions on the move and run actions from the elbows in the half court.
He combines that with a very different skill: elite rebounding, despite being an undersized center. His 22.0 percent rebound rate led the WCC and was fourth in the nation – just ahead of some guy named Zach Edey.
Mogbo has great instincts that show up behind his passing, particularly in a superb steal rate for a center (3.2 swipes per 100 possessions) and his high field goal percentage in the paint. While he’s not going to be rim-running for dunks except, perhaps, in brief cameos as a junk-ball five, he’s shown he has the all-court game to be a productive NBA forward. He reflected much of that in the NBA Draft Combine, where in 37 minutes across two games, he filled the stat sheet with 11 rebounds, seven assists and four steals.
Now, about the shooting: I’ve seen Mogbo shoot 3s before games, and his shot isn’t broken. He has a push shot from distance and it’s a bit slow, but he can be threatening enough to warrant at least some token degree of respect from defenses. He shot 69.2 percent from the line in his final college season.
At this point in the draft, I’d take those positives and the upside over the fairly meh outlooks of the rest of the field. Realistically, I expect Mogbo to be picked in the 40s or 50s, but I think he’s one of the most interesting players in this class.
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claims the Knicks are interested in Jimmy
ive wondered about that since he/heat started publicly bickering. seems like fit there if both sides can get past the all the history/baggage. think knicks seemingly have more they can offer heat than philly.
I think the Knicks and Heat have only made one trade ever and it was for Pat Riley so I don't think there's a chance in hell they'd trade Butler to the Knicks
@esidery
Rival executives are monitoring Tyus Jones as a possible sign-and-trade candidate from the Wizards, per @MikeAScotto
(https://hoopshype.com/lists/aggregate-2024-nba-mock-draft-paul-george-tyrese-maxey-free-agency-zach-lavine-trade-talks/
).
I don’t know why this gave me flashbacks to Phil Jackson drafting Frank over Donovan Mitchell because he “fit” the triangle offense better.
Id put this at a less than 10% chance.
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claims the Knicks are interested in Jimmy
Id put this at a less than 10% chance.
The interest or a deal getting done?
An unusual player who requires several viewings to get a handle on, Mitchell is a strong lefty who has a variety of finishes in the paint area and thrived putting small guards in jail on the block. I’m not sure that will work as well in the NBA as it did in the Big West, but he has other skills to fall back on, as he showed at the combine when he ran the point for two games and handed out nine assists.
A big swing skill for Mitchell will be his 3-point shooting; he upped his percentage to 39.3 percent this past season but on very low volume. From a flat-footed standstill, he has a low release and it’s a bit slow getting out, but it’s fine – his 81.8 percent career mark from the line supports that.
Where things get weird is on the move, where it seems like a hidden grappling hook off screens is tugging him to his right; watching him shoot before a game, he consistently ended up several inches to the right of his takeoff spot. That balance issue is important because he will need to shoot 3s off the bounce at the next level, and right now, that’s not in his bag.
Physically, Mitchell is not an elite athlete by any stretch, but he has a strong base and a solid frame that should help him guard up a position on defense if he needs to. Mitchell has a Belgian passport, incidentally, but it seems unlikely that he would be selected as a stash pick.
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The New York Knicks made an aggressive push for Alex Caruso, offering draft capital, before Chicago decided to trade him to Oklahoma City, per
@KCJHoop
“League sources indicated that the New York Knicks and Sacramento Kings both offered draft capital to the Bulls in packages they felt were superior to the one-for-one deal. The Athletic previously reported the Kings' offer that featured the 13th overall pick in this week’s NBA Draft.”
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claims the Knicks are interested in Jimmy
Id put this at a less than 10% chance.
The interest or a deal getting done?
Both
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says he hears that the Knicks are going to make their picks and they will be players that fit Thibs is system.
I'll say this quite a few of the players they are being connected to seem like Thibs-types. I mean, yeah "duh" but I'm talking about players who seem like they can come in immediately and slide into the rotation or at least provide some depth.
He mentioned Ware specifically - says he can do some of what Derek Lively did.
It's nice that Hahn reads BBI:
Jon In NYC : 7:59 am : link : reply
take but I would be stunned if the Knicks didn't draft a center.
I think you need more talent in that room. I could see them trading up for Kel'el Ware who they just had in for a visit. You don't bring in a guy a few days before the draft unless there's serious interest, and Ware wouldn't make the trip unless he thought he could go there.
I think he's going to be a very good NBA player. Maybe not a star but I don't see anything Derrick Lively is doing right now that Ware can't. Definitely not a mauler but can shoot can block shots, has nice touch. I think he has a ton of upside.
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offering drsft capital but the Bulls chose Giddey
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@TheDunkCentral
The New York Knicks made an aggressive push for Alex Caruso, offering draft capital, before Chicago decided to trade him to Oklahoma City, per
@KCJHoop
“League sources indicated that the New York Knicks and Sacramento Kings both offered draft capital to the Bulls in packages they felt were superior to the one-for-one deal. The Athletic previously reported the Kings' offer that featured the 13th overall pick in this week’s NBA Draft.”
This makes it hurt a bit more. I definitely wanted Caruso
They took a player who doesnt even fit with their team, they already have Ayo and Coby and decide to add another guard who wants to start...
Meanwhile they want to brjng back derozan, it really makes no sense lol
The bulls are still dumb but Giddey is a good player, even if he likes underage girls.
Surprised they didnt even work him out
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