he will be nicked up or blatantly injured by week 5..
I don't care what kind of year he has with the Eagles, Barkley to me seems like the kind of guy that flashes, makes some crazy plays, then a bunch of meh and every now and then just seems to make a pretty bad play- Dropped pass INT week 1 last year, the long run and fumble against the Packers, going out of bounds against the Jags in 2022 instead of staying in and running the clock etc..
I don't hate Barkley at all, I just think he is one of the MOST overrated players in the league (now and before) and I think he will always be a stat guy, flashy guy but never WIN the big game(s).
he will be nicked up or blatantly injured by week 5..
I don't care what kind of year he has with the Eagles, Barkley to me seems like the kind of guy that flashes, makes some crazy plays, then a bunch of meh and every now and then just seems to make a pretty bad play- Dropped pass INT week 1 last year, the long run and fumble against the Packers, going out of bounds against the Jags in 2022 instead of staying in and running the clock etc..
I don't hate Barkley at all, I just think he is one of the MOST overrated players in the league (now and before) and I think he will always be a stat guy, flashy guy but never WIN the big game(s).
He played his career on really bad teams and helped carry the offense 2 years ago to a playoff birth. He may now be too old to have that same kind of impact, but your post describes CMC before leaving Carolina, how did that turn out when he left? Same stuff said about him and then he went to a top 5 team and moved himself into OPoY and MVP discussions, with deep playoff runs.
with the Eagles.I think early on,his usage will be considerable,as it was with Swift last season. But,with Hurts taking up some of the carries & a bevy of primadonna WRS, I think his usage gets less & less as the season progresses(similar to Swift last year). Sure,he'll still be an integral part,but much less the the preseason prognosticators believe. Will I root for us to stop him when we play them? Sure,but he's gone to an offense full of egos & one that just lost their HOF center. Singletary will be fine!
I don't feel bad about him playing for another team. He wanted to stay
We will see how the move looks this time next year. I know what I probably would have done, but I also don't pour over hours of 22 film to see how much or how little meat was left on the bone in 23. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the film rooms this past winter. I am not ready to say that BArkley was elite as a runner this past season. I think he definitely was in 22. Not sure about 23.
But why do I think Barkley is going to shred the NFL this season.
He was at his worst when he felt like he had to do it all
and hit home runs every play. Usually was the case when the team was terrible (most of the time) and he was the only legitimate offensive weapon (most of the time). In that regard I found him to be a bit of a head case. That's why I'm not losing much sleep over the "revenge" games because he did not usually perform well when he was fired up, for whatever the reason might have been.
On the Eagles, he might finally have the chance to not be the focal point and fill a role within a greater, competent scheme.
Too bad for him it comes after multiple lower body injuries/surgeries and having demonstrably lost his elite, top 1% burst that made him absolutely electric in 2018.
I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Yep. Essentially taking over the Swift role which he is more than capable of doing. Lots of whistling past the graveyard on this thread.
and not resigning a player that talented who always represented this franchise the right way.
He will now get to run behind a good line with talent around him to take pressure off of him. He will thrive and the Giants better be producing offensively otherwise it's egg on Schoen and Dabolls face.
He was the best player on this offense, and we allowed him to walk to our competitor?....smh...terrible, but whatever.
I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
Because he likely won't be getting hit in the backfield by 4 defenders every time he gets a handoff like he did behind the Giants OL? And defenses can't key on him because they actually have other really talented skill position players? I don't know, just spit ballin' here.
I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
Because he likely won't be getting hit in the backfield by 4 defenders every time he gets a handoff like he did behind the Giants OL? And defenses can't key on him because they actually have other really talented skill position players? I don't know, just spit ballin' here.
This. He isn’t the Saquon of 2018, but I think people are going to be surprised at what he is still capable of running behind a decent oline.
But I also believe it was a smart decision not to re-sign him. He will not face the same loaded boxes that he did here and he will likely have some good games with some highlights, but I don't think his body will hold up. It won't be long before he's pulling himself out of the game after every other play.
I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
Because he likely won't be getting hit in the backfield by 4 defenders every time he gets a handoff like he did behind the Giants OL? And defenses can't key on him because they actually have other really talented skill position players? I don't know, just spit ballin' here.
RB is the most injured position in the sport. They don't ALL play behind the Giants' OL.
They get tackled on every play, the location of the tackle doesn't make it hurt less or less likely to cause an injury.
Try spitballin' a little less. Barkley's injury issues are because of the sport he plays, the position he plays, and quite possibly his own physical structure. They have nothing to do with the uniform he wore.
Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Why are RBs injured at a more frequent rate than other positions, and not just on the Giants?
Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Why are RBs injured at a more frequent rate than other positions, and not just on the Giants?
Because offensive linemen are poor run blockers. Run blocking is a lost art in the NFL.
Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Why are RBs injured at a more frequent rate than other positions, and not just on the Giants?
Because offensive linemen are poor run blockers. Run blocking is a lost art in the NFL.
Good try, but let's see if anyone else wants to venture a guess.
RBs are on the receiving end of more hits/tackles than any other position, so yes they get injured more and generally their tread wears out faster than other skill position players. And that said, my points still stand... lol.
RBs are on the receiving end of more hits/tackles than any other position, so yes they get injured more and generally their tread wears out faster than other skill position players. And that said, my points still stand... lol.
Go back to my initial post that you replied to, because you might be the one who likes to argue.
Until his off-season bull puckey last Summer and his inflammatory words. That made me dislike him, this is a business and he shot off his mouth. The second he did, Schoen cut ties mentally with resigning him. Schoen doesn't put up with media crap from his players, hence no Barkley and no McKinney. Be a professional or you are playing elsewhere. I wish him well, I don't have any bad feelings towards him. I nothing him.
From what I remember, most of Saquon's injuries happened
RBs are on the receiving end of more hits/tackles than any other position, so yes they get injured more and generally their tread wears out faster than other skill position players. And that said, my points still stand... lol.
Go back to my initial post that you replied to, because you might be the one who likes to argue.
"Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?"
Now reread your most recent reply right here.
QED.
Quentin E. Deverill!
I did read your post. And my points in the initial retort still stand... lol
sign Saquon, and it sucks that he is an Eagle. Two things can be true. But this recasting of Barkley as some kind of mediocre player in his career is lame to me. He played his heart out for terrible Giants teams. He played injured (even when he shouldn’t have), he was a consummate professional, he never missed camp (even when he could have held out last season), he worked on his blocking, he switched up his style of running. He did whatever he could to produce wins. He was often the sole focus of opposing defenses. This whole attitude of Barkley sucked or Barkley was a disappointment is sour grapes. He went to a team offering crazy money for a RB possibly past his prime. And he would have been stupid not to.
Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
On the surface that sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure that's how it works in reality. I'd be interested to see how many RB injuries happen in the backfield vs longer runs, but I wouldn't be surprised if getting hit earlier is actually safer considering the differences in the total forces involved.
As St. Jimmy noted above, I don't think SB's injuries were in the backfield, but actually on more successful plays.
- High ankle sprain at the end of a 6-yd reception vs TB in 2019
- ACL at the end of a 6-yd rush vs Chi in 2020
- ankle sprain stepping on a defender's foot after an incompletion in the middle of the field vs Dal in 2021
- ankle sprain in a 2-yd rush up the middle vs Ari in 2023 (this was the closest one to what you're suggesting, but it was more about the situation trying to use up clock than it was poor OL play)
Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
On the surface that sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure that's how it works in reality. I'd be interested to see how many RB injuries happen in the backfield vs longer runs, but I wouldn't be surprised if getting hit earlier is actually safer considering the differences in the total forces involved.
As St. Jimmy noted above, I don't think SB's injuries were in the backfield, but actually on more successful plays.
- High ankle sprain at the end of a 6-yd reception vs TB in 2019
- ACL at the end of a 6-yd rush vs Chi in 2020
- ankle sprain stepping on a defender's foot after an incompletion in the middle of the field vs Dal in 2021
- ankle sprain in a 2-yd rush up the middle vs Ari in 2023 (this was the closest one to what you're suggesting, but it was more about the situation trying to use up clock than it was poor OL play)
Hmm, definitely fair points. I'd be interested to see the stats around it as well.
As St. Jimmy noted above, I don't think SB's injuries were in the backfield, but actually on more successful plays.
- High ankle sprain at the end of a 6-yd reception vs TB in 2019
- ACL at the end of a 6-yd rush vs Chi in 2020
- ankle sprain stepping on a defender's foot after an incompletion in the middle of the field vs Dal in 2021
- ankle sprain in a 2-yd rush up the middle vs Ari in 2023 (this was the closest one to what you're suggesting, but it was more about the situation trying to use up clock than it was poor OL play)
Barkley himself publicly expressed frustration about the blocking on the play last year against the Cardinals, where he suffered the ankle injury.
I recall that because I recall reviewing the video of the play in light of his comments.
Giant had an extra OL on the play, with Peart lined up outside Neal on the right side. Both of them blocked the same guy instead of one of them taking the LB who came in unblocked to injure Barkley.
Slayton also could have blocked the LB, but ran past him to block a secondary player.
Whether anyone missed an assignment is known only to the coaches and players involved. But Barkley was publicly displeased.
Knowing the Eagles and their bullshit, he will play all 17 (or 16).
I don't care what kind of year he has with the Eagles, Barkley to me seems like the kind of guy that flashes, makes some crazy plays, then a bunch of meh and every now and then just seems to make a pretty bad play- Dropped pass INT week 1 last year, the long run and fumble against the Packers, going out of bounds against the Jags in 2022 instead of staying in and running the clock etc..
I don't hate Barkley at all, I just think he is one of the MOST overrated players in the league (now and before) and I think he will always be a stat guy, flashy guy but never WIN the big game(s).
Same. I would just like to see this team competitive more than once every 5-10 years
I don't care what kind of year he has with the Eagles, Barkley to me seems like the kind of guy that flashes, makes some crazy plays, then a bunch of meh and every now and then just seems to make a pretty bad play- Dropped pass INT week 1 last year, the long run and fumble against the Packers, going out of bounds against the Jags in 2022 instead of staying in and running the clock etc..
I don't hate Barkley at all, I just think he is one of the MOST overrated players in the league (now and before) and I think he will always be a stat guy, flashy guy but never WIN the big game(s).
He played his career on really bad teams and helped carry the offense 2 years ago to a playoff birth. He may now be too old to have that same kind of impact, but your post describes CMC before leaving Carolina, how did that turn out when he left? Same stuff said about him and then he went to a top 5 team and moved himself into OPoY and MVP discussions, with deep playoff runs.
All good, Chop. I've learned to accept it.
Fuck him
He'd actually have to run through defenders.
Never his game. Avoids contact. Still always injured.
Buh bye.
Definitely exciting moments, but not an all time great.
Definitely exciting moments, but not an all time great.
Great comparison...I hadn't thought of that one before.
Hope he gets a Bronx cheer upon his return each and every time he gets the ball.
We will see how the move looks this time next year. I know what I probably would have done, but I also don't pour over hours of 22 film to see how much or how little meat was left on the bone in 23. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in the film rooms this past winter. I am not ready to say that BArkley was elite as a runner this past season. I think he definitely was in 22. Not sure about 23.
But why do I think Barkley is going to shred the NFL this season.
On the Eagles, he might finally have the chance to not be the focal point and fill a role within a greater, competent scheme.
Too bad for him it comes after multiple lower body injuries/surgeries and having demonstrably lost his elite, top 1% burst that made him absolutely electric in 2018.
He will now get to run behind a good line with talent around him to take pressure off of him. He will thrive and the Giants better be producing offensively otherwise it's egg on Schoen and Dabolls face.
He was the best player on this offense, and we allowed him to walk to our competitor?....smh...terrible, but whatever.
Finally a post of yours that I agree with.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
If he had signed that offer, they would have FT Jones.
Second pick overall. Beggars belief.
He's already questionable from walking out to that hype video
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I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
Because he likely won't be getting hit in the backfield by 4 defenders every time he gets a handoff like he did behind the Giants OL? And defenses can't key on him because they actually have other really talented skill position players? I don't know, just spit ballin' here.
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I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
Because he likely won't be getting hit in the backfield by 4 defenders every time he gets a handoff like he did behind the Giants OL? And defenses can't key on him because they actually have other really talented skill position players? I don't know, just spit ballin' here.
This. He isn’t the Saquon of 2018, but I think people are going to be surprised at what he is still capable of running behind a decent oline.
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I don't care what anyone says, it SUCKS seeing him in that uniform. The Giants made the right business decision, but I think people who don't think he will thrive in that offense (assuming he stays healthy) are in for a rude awakening.
Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?
Because he likely won't be getting hit in the backfield by 4 defenders every time he gets a handoff like he did behind the Giants OL? And defenses can't key on him because they actually have other really talented skill position players? I don't know, just spit ballin' here.
RB is the most injured position in the sport. They don't ALL play behind the Giants' OL.
They get tackled on every play, the location of the tackle doesn't make it hurt less or less likely to cause an injury.
Try spitballin' a little less. Barkley's injury issues are because of the sport he plays, the position he plays, and quite possibly his own physical structure. They have nothing to do with the uniform he wore.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Why are RBs injured at a more frequent rate than other positions, and not just on the Giants?
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Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Why are RBs injured at a more frequent rate than other positions, and not just on the Giants?
Because offensive linemen are poor run blockers. Run blocking is a lost art in the NFL.
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Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
Why are RBs injured at a more frequent rate than other positions, and not just on the Giants?
Because offensive linemen are poor run blockers. Run blocking is a lost art in the NFL.
Good try, but let's see if anyone else wants to venture a guess.
Go back to my initial post that you replied to, because you might be the one who likes to argue.
"Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?"
Now reread your most recent reply right here.
QED.
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RBs are on the receiving end of more hits/tackles than any other position, so yes they get injured more and generally their tread wears out faster than other skill position players. And that said, my points still stand... lol.
Go back to my initial post that you replied to, because you might be the one who likes to argue.
"Why would anyone assume he'll stay healthy?"
Now reread your most recent reply right here.
QED.
Quentin E. Deverill!
I did read your post. And my points in the initial retort still stand... lol
But no, keep being mad at the girl who dumped you for a better guy.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
On the surface that sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure that's how it works in reality. I'd be interested to see how many RB injuries happen in the backfield vs longer runs, but I wouldn't be surprised if getting hit earlier is actually safer considering the differences in the total forces involved.
As St. Jimmy noted above, I don't think SB's injuries were in the backfield, but actually on more successful plays.
- High ankle sprain at the end of a 6-yd reception vs TB in 2019
- ACL at the end of a 6-yd rush vs Chi in 2020
- ankle sprain stepping on a defender's foot after an incompletion in the middle of the field vs Dal in 2021
- ankle sprain in a 2-yd rush up the middle vs Ari in 2023 (this was the closest one to what you're suggesting, but it was more about the situation trying to use up clock than it was poor OL play)
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Honestly Dunk, I think you just like to argue for the sake of arguing. Of course football players get injured. Yes, that is true... lol.
If a RB is getting hit earlier and more frequently behind a shit OL, before he can actually hit a hole and have a better chance of taking on tacklers at the second level... and especially in an offense where defenses are stacking the box because they really don't fear any other aspect of the offensive skill players (or the shit OL in front of them), you don't think that matters to the chances of said RB being injured?
On the surface that sounds reasonable, but I'm not sure that's how it works in reality. I'd be interested to see how many RB injuries happen in the backfield vs longer runs, but I wouldn't be surprised if getting hit earlier is actually safer considering the differences in the total forces involved.
As St. Jimmy noted above, I don't think SB's injuries were in the backfield, but actually on more successful plays.
- High ankle sprain at the end of a 6-yd reception vs TB in 2019
- ACL at the end of a 6-yd rush vs Chi in 2020
- ankle sprain stepping on a defender's foot after an incompletion in the middle of the field vs Dal in 2021
- ankle sprain in a 2-yd rush up the middle vs Ari in 2023 (this was the closest one to what you're suggesting, but it was more about the situation trying to use up clock than it was poor OL play)
Hmm, definitely fair points. I'd be interested to see the stats around it as well.
Was a Giants fan...
As St. Jimmy noted above, I don't think SB's injuries were in the backfield, but actually on more successful plays.
- High ankle sprain at the end of a 6-yd reception vs TB in 2019
- ACL at the end of a 6-yd rush vs Chi in 2020
- ankle sprain stepping on a defender's foot after an incompletion in the middle of the field vs Dal in 2021
- ankle sprain in a 2-yd rush up the middle vs Ari in 2023 (this was the closest one to what you're suggesting, but it was more about the situation trying to use up clock than it was poor OL play)
Barkley himself publicly expressed frustration about the blocking on the play last year against the Cardinals, where he suffered the ankle injury.
I recall that because I recall reviewing the video of the play in light of his comments.
Giant had an extra OL on the play, with Peart lined up outside Neal on the right side. Both of them blocked the same guy instead of one of them taking the LB who came in unblocked to injure Barkley.
Slayton also could have blocked the LB, but ran past him to block a secondary player.
Whether anyone missed an assignment is known only to the coaches and players involved. But Barkley was publicly displeased.
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