Reese is a jealous, petty person. And, the veterans running their mouths and playing dirty are the same. No matter what Reese says, they stats (ratings, attendance, etc.) tell the truth. Nobody is watching for her. Right or wrong, Clark has garnered a whole new level of interest for the league, for which all the players are benefitting. Anybody that doesn't like it should go play overseas.
And, with all this new interest, the league is still hemorrhaging money. They are all lucky to have jobs at all. If the NBA decides tomorrow to cut off subsidizing the WNBA, the league folds by the end of the year.
The cynic in me wonders how much of this (not that particular foul, which was reckless) is WWE Kayfabe. The WNBA gets more attention with everyone hating on Clark versus everyone loving her, methinks.
The reffing is absolutely abysmal. They go from calling ticky tack calls to calling nothing all in the same game. I also am shocked when they'll review a call and still get it wrong.
These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
They miss wind open shots right under the basket like crazy. No matter the personalities or controversy or whatever....the league will never grow with that kind of play.
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
and I think the quality has steadily improved over time. Most players weren't shooting or hitting 3s in the 90s, now most players on the court are at least passable at shooting. With notable exceptions (such as the crybaby currently in the Finals), most great players try very hard on defense and some of them are great at it.
I agree that the quality of the WNBA is meh. However I also find most college basketball and football to also be low quality, and that doesn't stop tons of people from enjoying those sports, even if they don't have alma mater allegiances.
It's probably a net benefit for society that there are women's professional sports leagues.
because they were the people to start the anti-clark stuff. Only true bigots are making that about race.
They'd rather the league be unpopular, because it will always leave them the window to pretend the problem is everyone else and their biases. Once people start tuning in, then they have to start succeeding on their merits. They don't appreciate that.
As Chris Rock once observed, there are three ways to get attention in America - be notorious, be a victim, or be great at something. Being great at something is hard. Being a victim isn't.
Like it, don’t like it. But let’s not pretend is more than that. There are women’s sports I like but I don’t find basketball to be a sport that displays women’s talents as well as some others. The anti Clark stuff is ugly for a number of reasons.
I'm still waiting for Angel reese to run, she lumbers up
and down the court. Her game is 5 ft in and she misses so many easy shots then gets her own rebounds which pad her stats. She thinks she's a beauty queen but looks like ET or could star in Avatar
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
Like it, don’t like it. But let’s not pretend is more than that. There are women’s sports I like but I don’t find basketball to be a sport that displays women’s talents as well as some others. The anti Clark stuff is ugly for a number of reasons.
Not to Miller the thread, but I don't understand why women's softball doesn't get more attention. It's a fast game. the pitchers look unhittable but somehow the batters get hits. it's basically MLB circa 1968. Way better than the wnba.
because they were the people to start the anti-clark stuff. Only true bigots are making that about race.
Taurasi is a hypocrite. She made team USA right out of college and praises how the veterans took her under their wings and helped her learn the international game. Then she says Clark shouldn't make it b/c she doesn't know the international game and isn't a veteran.
She's complaining about "special whistles" but the flagrant was lucky it was a flagrant 1. She wound up, never played the ball, and swiped clear across Clark's head. She's a dirty player and praises dirty play. She thinks she has a "role" as the villain.
Nobody is tuning in to watch her and she isn't anywhere near the player Clark is. She is good. Clark is great. She is the best player to come out of college in a long time.
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
They miss wind open shots right under the basket like crazy. No matter the personalities or controversy or whatever....the league will never grow with that kind of play.
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
My buddy bet on the game they played a few weeks ago and I happened to be on the phone with him. So I watched it as well. It was absolutely terrible. They're missing shots that high schoolers are making and I'm not talking the high schoolers that go to the NBA. I couldn't believe how bad they were.
So far, this is not the case. Fever started the season with 7 straight sellouts, lead the WNBA attendance by a wide margin and also lead road attendance.
I'm sure high school teams are hitting logo threes going to their left like Sabrina and Caitlin do. You guys just can't give these women credit for anything. It would be too hard for your fragile egos to handle.
bricking layup’s. Obviously the other players are jealous and petty, even to their own detriment. It’s human nature, but it’s annoying her own coach and teammates aren’t coming to her aid. Neither is the league in general. In fact, it seems only the male NBA athletes are calling the rest of the league out.
Even McNutt has a poor take on this, and I generally like her.
I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Smoke any team in the wnba. It’s ok. Men and boys play men and boys leagues and women and girls play women and girl’s leagues. Everything is fine that way. My issue is that the women’s college and wnba games are not compelling to me. I’ve tried watching but it’s just not very good and it’s slow. When I watch sports I want to see the best. Women’s is not that.
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
RE: RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
loves it. I think there is a lot of old people, men and women, who like women's basketball. He says he appreciates the fundamentals and it reminds him of old school basketball with the teamwork and style of play.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
RE: RE: RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
You can probably name a few former WNBA rookies who came into the league more pro-ready that Caitlin Clark, but quite honestly, I struggle to think of any who came into the league with bigger expectations.
And that's kinda the point. The level of hype might have been unfair, given what the expectations reasonably should've been, and Clark hasn't exactly been the driving force behind her own hype, but at the end of the day overhype is overhype, even if it's coming from people who don't really understand what they're talking about.
loves it. I think there is a lot of old people, men and women, who like women's basketball. He says he appreciates the fundamentals and it reminds him of old school basketball with the teamwork and style of play.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
This is where I have a problem also. Salaries were not scrutinized before this year and no charter flights or security. Now, you have the league up in arms that it only came with Clark. How about a big thank you because your league still hemorrhages money every season. Just say thank you and play your game.
is the slew of players, fans, and media who want to pretend like she is some random phenomenon and hint that it's because she is white. Really? Are we to ignore that she is the best player to come out of college in a generation and she scored more points in women's college basketball ever? EVER.
She isn't a gimmick. She's fucking a great player.
In comment 16537930 CooperDash said:
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
In comment 16537930 CooperDash said:
[quote] In comment 16537916 Keaton028 said:
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In comment 16537908 Greg from LI said:
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
There has been an overall increase, but a significant difference in both TV viewership and attendance for Fever games. Vastly more people around the country are watching Clark/Fever than any other player/team.
salaries, I remember people being shocked, surprised and dismayed Clark was only going to earn $76,000 on her rookie salary (not endorsements or anything just her salary), but comparatively speaking the average XFL player made just $68,000 (plus health insurance) in 2023 and I think the XFL probably has similar viewership as the WNBA (with Clark - who as mentioned has contributed to triple the average viewership from last year - will it last?). The average WNBA salary is $120,000.
Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
There has been an overall increase, but a significant difference in both TV viewership and attendance for Fever games. Vastly more people around the country are watching Clark/Fever than any other player/team.
Yes, I’ve already mentioned that Clark is a big part of the overall increase in viewership. Which is to be expected anytime you have a new player with her type of hype. But even if you remove the Fever games - there has been a significant rise in views up for other teams that have nothing to do with Clark. I don’t understand what the argument is here. The numbers bear this out.
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
Is a white Jackie Robinson. With most of her league Black, Caitlin has been disrespected, ostracized, and relentlessly taunted and attacked by a jealous league of black players so racially short sighted. Caitlin is really gifted and energizing their formerly empty venues into stadiums full of cheering (and paying) fans bolstering their league’s revenues and possibly making them ALL more money! Ever since Angel Reese pointed to her ring finger in a cesspool filled lack of sporting honor she wears a moniker as the classless Darth Vader of women’s basketball. The NBA never dared treat Larry Bird like this.
RE: RE: RE: I don't watch the WNBA, so when I saw this thread, I decided to look
at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
Well, now they have Boston inside and cutting to the hoop and Mitchell a little bit. Between Clark starting to figure things out and the team gaining a little chemistry, they are playing much better.
Is a white Jackie Robinson. With most of her league Black, Caitlin has been disrespected, ostracized, and relentlessly taunted and attacked by a jealous league of black players so racially short sighted. Caitlin is really gifted and energizing their formerly empty venues into stadiums full of cheering (and paying) fans bolstering their league’s revenues and possibly making them ALL more money! Ever since Angel Reese pointed to her ring finger in a cesspool filled lack of sporting honor she wears a moniker as the classless Darth Vader of women’s basketball. The NBA never dared treat Larry Bird like this.
The young girls coming up are ballers, Caitlin Clark is just the beginning.
Run for the Rose is in mid-July in Louisville it's the largest AAU girls event every year over 2500 teams for 7 days and its been growing like crazy year over year.
Girls are in the gym now 7 days a week at a young age and the skill level is growing at a rapid rate. Also the girls game is much more physical currently than the boys game they use more screens and work harder down low.
It's a different game but you should be able to appreciate it for what it is and not compare it to the men's game. There are a lot of great ball players in the WNBA beside Clark but what she is doing as a rookie is impressive.
But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
The highly-anticipated debut game for the first overall pick in the 2024 WNBA Draft drew an average of 2.1 million viewers, the most for a WNBA game since 2001.
The WNBA game was also competing with the NBA Playoff game between the New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers which was airing on ESPN. The NBA's opening night doubleheader in October averaged 2.8 million viewers on TNT, the league's least-watched opening night since 2014.
from a rights standpoint the WNBA obviously isn't anywhere in the same galaxy as the NBA's $75 billion but they dont need to be anywhere close to that for everyone associated with the WNBA to benefit from any increased attention Caitlin Clark brings. As the value associated with the NBA despite declining ratings can attest, sports are basically the last viable bulk time media property left. it's not impossible that a women's sport starts benefiting from it even if it's infrequent like Team USA soccer.
As far as her success on the court, she's a rookie. Wemby is probably the next dynasty guy in the NBA and he didnt get anywhere close to MVP votes or playoff race. they were actually 22-60 for the 2nd straight year so their record didnt change at all. Lebron was 35-47 his rookie year shooting 41% overall and 29% from 3. MJ is the undisputed goat, he was 38-44 and didnt win his first MVP until year 4. so maybe we give it more than a few weeks or even a year until we declare overhyped?
But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
I agree the Jackie Robinson comparison is ridiculous. But, I do think 100% she is a generational talent. What has she done? For one, she scored more points in the college game than anyone...ever. Two, I don't recall the specific stats, but there are few instances where she is the first person or second person in the WNBA to accomplish a few milestones as a rookie, first 10 games, etc.
But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
I agree the Jackie Robinson comparison is ridiculous. But, I do think 100% she is a generational talent. What has she done? For one, she scored more points in the college game than anyone...ever. Two, I don't recall the specific stats, but there are few instances where she is the first person or second person in the WNBA to accomplish a few milestones as a rookie, first 10 games, etc.
She has scored the most points in D1 but not in the college game. And even with that there are some tehnicalities with ncaa changes where others with more points are excluded. I don't remember the specifics but it's similar to saying a football team has the most championships because it had the most superbowls but other teams have more including when it wasn't called the superbowl. Saying they have the most superbowls is accurate, saying the have the most championships isn't.
Her accomplishments are worthy enough to state them as they are without having to be creative reporting it. That is the reason people go out of their way to overcorrect the hype and try to put her down. That's not fair to her. She's just trying to play her game but this whole media storm is out of control. But drama sells and the league is trying to capitalize on it. But it has to be a distraction for her and just more for her to overcome to get comfortable in the league.
RE: The Clark fans are the Swifties of women's b-ball
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
Hanna Hidalgo and MiLaysia Fulwiley are three excellent young freshmen in last year's NCAA season. Actually like the physical, hard charging (old School) game the women play than the no defense NBA's game.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
they clearly don’t like her, and that’s unfortunate. Her playstyle seems like a very strange reason why, so I don’t buy that, there’s a lot more to it than you are admitting IMO.
Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
but doesn’t that further prove that the attendance was still doubled? The away attendance proves everything - 15k for the Fever, 7-10k for the rest of the league (and it’s skewed a bit since some of those games are @ Indy).
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
I suppose there's some amount of rookie hazing going on, but agree that her teammates should step up here - rookie or no rookie, when your teammate is abused on the court, you should stand up for her.
Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
I only heard the attendance for those 2 games.
The point is to highlight that attendance for the Fever is ridiculously more than the rest of the league. So are ratings. Yes, attendance and viewership are up league-wide. But, the disparity in Fever games vs. evryone else is significantly huge.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization of Clark. She is very emotional in the heat of the game for sure, but I wouldn't say she is brash or a shit talker. Off the court all her answers are completely bland and from the Eli school of answering reporters.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I agree with you. I think people are giving Reese too much credit. If it wasn't for her dust up at the end of the 2023 NCAA Finals I don't think she'd be anywhere near as popular.
job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I think she's definitely exaggerating their "beef" even if she doesn't like her to begin with. She was an NIL darling and has a strong social media following, she knows how to make money by bringing attention on herself.
I think she doesn't like Clark, but she's definitely going overboard to push a "rivalry" because she knows it's just going to make her more relevant and get her more internet clicks.
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class. Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
i had heard something very interesting regarding why NBA players like Clark so much. Someone mentioned 2 things
- she can score from 35 ft away
- she is a brilliant passer who gets inside players involved.
Every bottom roster NBA player can do what every WNBA player does to the 'Nth' degree... except most NBA players cant do what Clark does with shooting or passing and they like that
She is the gravy train right now, not Reese or anyone else
Obviously the shooter/distributor will get more attention while the player doing the grunt work doesn't. But without the Horace Grant/ D Rodman the championships still wouldn't come.
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
RE: Both are excellent players but with different game.
Obviously the shooter/distributor will get more attention while the player doing the grunt work doesn't. But without the Horace Grant/ D Rodman the championships still wouldn't come.
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
Sky was over 7200 last year, so the jump to 8600 is great but not that impressive when compared to the Fever. 2023 the Fever averaged just over 4000, this year its over 16,000.
Also, look at the attendance when the Mystics played the Sky (4200) and then 3-4 days later played the Fever . Clark moves the needle, for whatever reason. The Mystics had to move the game to a larger arena and drew 20k
[quote]Last Friday, the Washington Mystics hosted the Indiana Fever at Capital One Arena. After the game, the Mystics announced that they set some major attendance marks. They include a sellout of 20,333 fans, the highest attended game since 1999 and that this mark was higher than any game since the 2007 WNBA Finals.[quote] attendance - ( New Window )
And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class. Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
And Angel Reese stepped up to the plate in that time of need.
Clark is handling it well I think. She's got a lot of attention and scrutiny because she brought a lot of eyes to the sport that weren't there already. In the long run, that's great for the game. My wife, for example, couldn't give a shit about pro sports. We live in CT where we see a lot of great college players come thru and she's a big fan of Caitlin Clark. Bigger even than Paige Bueckers right now.
This beef is good for the sport. Half of what makes the NBA so fun these days is this kind of stuff, which adds a WWE type plot to a lot of these games. It's good for the womens' game that they have this now too.
Clark has put the WNBA on the map, just look at this thread.
Has there ever been a thread about womens sports on bbi as active as this one? Shes polarizing on both sides and everyone wants to watch. She is the ONLY reason that the WNBA is on the map. Nobody is watching Angel Reese unless shes playing CC.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
are fairly interchangeable terms especially with sports. And the word hate has lost its meaning anyway, just look at how misused and misinterpreted it is in Daniel Jones threads.
Has there ever been a thread about womens sports on bbi as active as this one? Shes polarizing on both sides and everyone wants to watch. She is the ONLY reason that the WNBA is on the map. Nobody is watching Angel Reese unless shes playing CC.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
About women's sports? Yes. Threads about the USWNT have garnered this level of interest. About the WNBA? Never.
She’s relevant. But Reese probably thinks people tuned in to watch her. Clark is the golden goose - ( New Window )
In this one case, Reese and Carter are at least a little relevant, because some of the viewership may have been to see if there were any fireworks resulting from the flagrant the last game.
I really can't figure out if Reese is delusional or if she is just playing this up for her own brand management.
RE: Clark has put the WNBA on the map, just look at this thread.
Has there ever been a thread about womens sports on bbi as active as this one? Shes polarizing on both sides and everyone wants to watch. She is the ONLY reason that the WNBA is on the map. Nobody is watching Angel Reese unless shes playing CC.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
A below average player? Are you serious? This is the idiocy that fuels the drama. Both players are upper echelon and both play different positions which makes the constant comparison even more stupid. Neither one is as good as the other in what they do best.
I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but shes below average.
She shoots like 30% from within 5 feet of the basket and a lot of her rebounds come from her own easy misses. I didn't say she was useless, just below average, which she is.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
RE: I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but shes below average.
She shoots like 30% from within 5 feet of the basket and a lot of her rebounds come from her own easy misses. I didn't say she was useless, just below average, which she is.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
Disagree about Clark. She's already top 20 in scoring and is setting records as the fastest in league history to a number of milestones.
but I've watched a few games and I do look at the box scores. CC plays like a rookie. She turns the ball over a lot, she doesn't shoot with the confidence that she had in college and she gets pushed around. You can clearly see the talent and that she will be a top player, but shes a rookie that doesn't really have a big impact yet.
RE: I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but shes below average.
She shoots like 30% from within 5 feet of the basket and a lot of her rebounds come from her own easy misses. I didn't say she was useless, just below average, which she is.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
Lol @ hurt feelings. It's not about feelings but simply looking at where she ranks in the league in most categories she's well above average. Numbers don't lie but your bias is showing.
And, with all this new interest, the league is still hemorrhaging money. They are all lucky to have jobs at all. If the NBA decides tomorrow to cut off subsidizing the WNBA, the league folds by the end of the year.
The cynic in me wonders how much of this (not that particular foul, which was reckless) is WWE Kayfabe. The WNBA gets more attention with everyone hating on Clark versus everyone loving her, methinks.
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
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These women think it’s a fashion show and they are all copycats imitating each other with spandex. Tatoos. Eyelashes different color hair. Etc
They all bitch and whine and complain instead of playing basketball
I have zero interest in watching.
it's a female version of the NBA which I also don't watch.
Totally agree
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
However, they would rather burn it all to the ground than let her be the reason for the success of the league.
If the roles were reversed, we would be hearing racism.
The WNBA is pretty awful, Clark is one of the only reasons to tune in and the other players are clearly pissed about it.
And the NBA is definitely not as good as its every been, not even close IMO.
I agree that the quality of the WNBA is meh. However I also find most college basketball and football to also be low quality, and that doesn't stop tons of people from enjoying those sports, even if they don't have alma mater allegiances.
It's probably a net benefit for society that there are women's professional sports leagues.
They'd rather the league be unpopular, because it will always leave them the window to pretend the problem is everyone else and their biases. Once people start tuning in, then they have to start succeeding on their merits. They don't appreciate that.
As Chris Rock once observed, there are three ways to get attention in America - be notorious, be a victim, or be great at something. Being great at something is hard. Being a victim isn't.
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
Not to Miller the thread, but I don't understand why women's softball doesn't get more attention. It's a fast game. the pitchers look unhittable but somehow the batters get hits. it's basically MLB circa 1968. Way better than the wnba.
And this year, Taurasi is not playing well.
Nobody is tuning in to watch her and she isn't anywhere near the player Clark is. She is good. Clark is great. She is the best player to come out of college in a long time.
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Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
I'm sorry but if you've got two teams missing 4 or 5 layups a game no one is going to watch that.
My buddy bet on the game they played a few weeks ago and I happened to be on the phone with him. So I watched it as well. It was absolutely terrible. They're missing shots that high schoolers are making and I'm not talking the high schoolers that go to the NBA. I couldn't believe how bad they were.
So far, this is not the case. Fever started the season with 7 straight sellouts, lead the WNBA attendance by a wide margin and also lead road attendance.
Clark:
23 ; 8 Reb; 9 assists
Clark ftw
Even McNutt has a poor take on this, and I generally like her.
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I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
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Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
I think it's perfectly fair to say that Clark is somewhat overhyped. But whatever her talent level relative to the hype she's getting, the WNBA just isn't in a position to treat badly the biggest cash cow it's ever had. It just makes the look-in audience wonder why they ought to take this league seriously.
Is it fair to say that she’s overhyped after only 10 games or so? Not only has he had to adjust to pro level talent immediately after finishing a long college season but has also had to deal with an awful lot of bullying that the league has allowed. Along with the scrutiny that she’s been under. I think she’s doing an amazing job considering all of that. The rest of your comment I agree with.
It’s like people thought that she would walk into the league and be the #1 player from game 1 of her pro career. That’s unfair. And completely unrealistic.
You can probably name a few former WNBA rookies who came into the league more pro-ready that Caitlin Clark, but quite honestly, I struggle to think of any who came into the league with bigger expectations.
And that's kinda the point. The level of hype might have been unfair, given what the expectations reasonably should've been, and Clark hasn't exactly been the driving force behind her own hype, but at the end of the day overhype is overhype, even if it's coming from people who don't really understand what they're talking about.
My father started as a Uconn women's fan (he's always been a Uconn men's hoops fan as an alum - it was always Uconn's big sport even if it was just NIT goals vs NCAA plus with Scott Burrell being a neighbor of ours and classmate of mine, his interest became rekindled in the 90's) and when the women's team got good he became a fan of them too.
He still watches them religiously (Uconn women) and when they began graduating players to the WNBA (Taurasi, Bird, etc,) he began watching them in the WNBA.
it's not about beating the men or even boys. there are probably 300 boys high school teams who would beat a WNBA team if not more (probably more) - my HS team was mid and we had an NBA player on it plus an almost 7-footer - physically the women cannot compete it's a simple fact, but it's about how they compete with each other and creating an interesting entertainment product.
Which is where my problem with the WNBA exists. I have nothing against WNBA players and I admire their talent, but where does the entitlement come from? they want charter flights, security, salary beyond what the market bears, and to be treated like superstars. The WNBA is projected to lose $50M in 2024 alone.
IMO, they should earn what they want. So far they haven't done it, the league is what 25 or 30 years old and surviving on subsidies? I kind of view them like the old NFL teams from the early 1970's. If you believe my father, and I do, he says a lot of the players from an NFL roster in the 70's had to work jobs in the off-season to make ends meet. Put those dues in, keep building and increasing the talent level, make a compelling product, and the market will follow and with it comes everything else. but it seems like they want to jump to the outcome without putting in the work.
There are enough entertainment dollars for people to be interesting in consuming something else if it is compelling.
She isn't a gimmick. She's fucking a great player.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
You answered the question
Thank you
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
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Even with Clark
Gotta disagree. More people are definitely tuning in with Clark in the W. They may be not tuning in at the same level as the NBA, but more people are tuning in to watch Clark. I am military, and in years past my guys would never discuss the WNBA. Now discussion on Clark is brought up pretty regularly since the tourney and into her most recent games.
You don’t have to “disagree”. Just call it out as an ignorant statement by someone who couldn’t be bothered to watch a women’s sport.
WNBA games are averaging 1.32 million viewers which is triple from last year.
Clark is a huge reason why and the league’s treatment of here is bizarre. But women an be pretty petty and jealous of each other. It’s such a bad look and the league is intent on letting it ride because of the money it’s bringing in. It’s ‘murica at its finest.
“Murica at its finest”
What’s that supposed to mean?
It’s pretty simple - corporations prioritizing profits at the deliberate expense of their employees.
What did YOU think it meant.
I honestly didn’t know which is why I asked you the question
You answered the question
Thank you
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
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Yes, but the stats for viewership and in person are vastly higher for the Fever. There is a hugely significant drop for games Clark is not playing in.
Clark is a big factor in the rise in viewership but she’s not the only reason. She didn’t triple viewership in one year all by herself. There were other popular rookies entering the league at the same time. The reality is that people DO watch the WNBA and their viewership is increasing. And it’s not because of one person.
Look at the numbers with and without her. There is a reason the Fever lead the league in both home and road attendance, for example, with a losing record.
Are you saying that no team other has had an increase in attendance or viewership in non-Fever games?
There has been an overall increase, but a significant difference in both TV viewership and attendance for Fever games. Vastly more people around the country are watching Clark/Fever than any other player/team.
Yes, I’ve already mentioned that Clark is a big part of the overall increase in viewership. Which is to be expected anytime you have a new player with her type of hype. But even if you remove the Fever games - there has been a significant rise in views up for other teams that have nothing to do with Clark. I don’t understand what the argument is here. The numbers bear this out.
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Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
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at the stats to see how Clark is really doing. As of now, she's 17th on the scoring list with 15.6 ppg. She's shooting 36.7% and 32.2%. Now, I know stats aren't the whole picture, but I'm starting to think that she's over hyped. But I'm open to listening to anyone who has more to add to this picture. Link - ( New Window )
Overhyped? She's done things as a rookie that nobody else has done or 1 other person has done in the history of the league. She is just now starting to figure out the physicality of the league and also her and Boston are starting to get some real chemistry.
You also have to remember; these college kids completed their season and came straight to their WNBA season with little to no rest or even practice with their teams. The biggest thing killing the fever right now, is until the last few games no one else as stepped up. They've been doubling Clark and giving her full court press all game. Logic tells you someone else should be wide open, but no one else is stepping up and hitting their shots.
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Then don’t watch ?
Run for the Rose is in mid-July in Louisville it's the largest AAU girls event every year over 2500 teams for 7 days and its been growing like crazy year over year.
Girls are in the gym now 7 days a week at a young age and the skill level is growing at a rapid rate. Also the girls game is much more physical currently than the boys game they use more screens and work harder down low.
It's a different game but you should be able to appreciate it for what it is and not compare it to the men's game. There are a lot of great ball players in the WNBA beside Clark but what she is doing as a rookie is impressive.
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
The WNBA game was also competing with the NBA Playoff game between the New York Knicks and Indiana Pacers which was airing on ESPN. The NBA's opening night doubleheader in October averaged 2.8 million viewers on TNT, the league's least-watched opening night since 2014.
from a rights standpoint the WNBA obviously isn't anywhere in the same galaxy as the NBA's $75 billion but they dont need to be anywhere close to that for everyone associated with the WNBA to benefit from any increased attention Caitlin Clark brings. As the value associated with the NBA despite declining ratings can attest, sports are basically the last viable bulk time media property left. it's not impossible that a women's sport starts benefiting from it even if it's infrequent like Team USA soccer.
As far as her success on the court, she's a rookie. Wemby is probably the next dynasty guy in the NBA and he didnt get anywhere close to MVP votes or playoff race. they were actually 22-60 for the 2nd straight year so their record didnt change at all. Lebron was 35-47 his rookie year shooting 41% overall and 29% from 3. MJ is the undisputed goat, he was 38-44 and didnt win his first MVP until year 4. so maybe we give it more than a few weeks or even a year until we declare overhyped?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
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But this is ridiculous. The white Jackie Robinson?? So the hundreds of other white players before her suddenly don't exist?
Generational talent? Done things that noone else has ever done? Like what?
This is where the "hate" comes from. It's not hate to point things out that aren't true while still giving her credit.
She's a great shooter and can develop into a great player but she isn't there yet and there's no shame or hate in saying that.
Her hype is doing well for the league but many people are seeing the hype and just flat out making up things to go along with it. Twisting stats and making hyperbole.
Let her play her game and keep her out of the circus and just let her hone her craft.
I agree the Jackie Robinson comparison is ridiculous. But, I do think 100% she is a generational talent. What has she done? For one, she scored more points in the college game than anyone...ever. Two, I don't recall the specific stats, but there are few instances where she is the first person or second person in the WNBA to accomplish a few milestones as a rookie, first 10 games, etc.
She has scored the most points in D1 but not in the college game. And even with that there are some tehnicalities with ncaa changes where others with more points are excluded. I don't remember the specifics but it's similar to saying a football team has the most championships because it had the most superbowls but other teams have more including when it wasn't called the superbowl. Saying they have the most superbowls is accurate, saying the have the most championships isn't.
Her accomplishments are worthy enough to state them as they are without having to be creative reporting it. That is the reason people go out of their way to overcorrect the hype and try to put her down. That's not fair to her. She's just trying to play her game but this whole media storm is out of control. But drama sells and the league is trying to capitalize on it. But it has to be a distraction for her and just more for her to overcome to get comfortable in the league.
Outside of one or 2 ridiculous takes, what are you referring to?
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is correct.
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no hyperbole too great, no offense too slight, no criticism at all valid.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
Now blow me.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is correct.
This * 1,000
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no hyperbole too great, no offense too slight, no criticism at all valid.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
Ionescu deal was 24 million 2 years ago with no hype or drama and NBA players love her shoes
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no hyperbole too great, no offense too slight, no criticism at all valid.
Might be one of the most moronic takes I’ve read.
and thanks for proving my point, jackass
I proved your a moron? I can’t take credit for that. You did a bang up job yourself.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Clark may not be a top 15-20 player in the league but she is clearly the most relevant player there.
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
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the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
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Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
the avg wnba salary is about $140k. Caitlin has a 30 mil Nike deal. It's just jealousy, that's it.
They hate that she’s the face of the league. But she’s is clearly not liked for her race and orientation, that’s a fact and it a sad one. It’s not just good hard nosed basketball being played against her, players are out to get her. Would be nice if some of her veteran teammates stood up for her.
I suppose there's some amount of rookie hazing going on, but agree that her teammates should step up here - rookie or no rookie, when your teammate is abused on the court, you should stand up for her.
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Fever home game - 18K in attendance with 2 losing teams playing. The Fever have been averaging 16.5K,
Atlanta home game - 3K in attendance.
Yeah, there was another game played yesterday that you conveniently left out.
Why did you choose to highlight the one team (Atlanta) that has the worse attendance in the league? And why did you omit the other game played yesterday (Storm vs Mercury) that had an attendance of 9,444?
I only heard the attendance for those 2 games.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
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For a few obvious reasons:
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization of Clark. She is very emotional in the heat of the game for sure, but I wouldn't say she is brash or a shit talker. Off the court all her answers are completely bland and from the Eli school of answering reporters.
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
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job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I agree with you. I think people are giving Reese too much credit. If it wasn't for her dust up at the end of the 2023 NCAA Finals I don't think she'd be anywhere near as popular.
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job marketing her and making people who typically don't care, care. Some of the discourse is expectedly stupid (TIL there are no other straight white players in the WNBA lmao). Angel Reese in particular has done a great job leveraging her relative popularity into a "rivalry" with Clark. Interesting to see how long this popularity surge lasts. The jealousy around Clark is absolutely real, but they're definitely playing it up WWE-style to create the first WNBA storyline that would ever approach 100+ posts on BBI or be a topic on the stupid SAS/Skip sports shows (outside the Griner craziness).
So you think Reese is doing it on purpose? I don’t, I think she’s got a naturally shitty attitude and it happens to be working for her.
I think she's definitely exaggerating their "beef" even if she doesn't like her to begin with. She was an NIL darling and has a strong social media following, she knows how to make money by bringing attention on herself.
I think she doesn't like Clark, but she's definitely going overboard to push a "rivalry" because she knows it's just going to make her more relevant and get her more internet clicks.
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class.
Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
- she can score from 35 ft away
- she is a brilliant passer who gets inside players involved.
Every bottom roster NBA player can do what every WNBA player does to the 'Nth' degree... except most NBA players cant do what Clark does with shooting or passing and they like that
She is the gravy train right now, not Reese or anyone else
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
Chicago Sky average attendance last year was 6411 this year it is averaging 8634 and Clark have not played there as yet. I guess Reece is having some kind of effect.
Sky was over 7200 last year, so the jump to 8600 is great but not that impressive when compared to the Fever. 2023 the Fever averaged just over 4000, this year its over 16,000.
Also, look at the attendance when the Mystics played the Sky (4200) and then 3-4 days later played the Fever . Clark moves the needle, for whatever reason. The Mystics had to move the game to a larger arena and drew 20k
[quote]Last Friday, the Washington Mystics hosted the Indiana Fever at Capital One Arena. After the game, the Mystics announced that they set some major attendance marks. They include a sellout of 20,333 fans, the highest attended game since 1999 and that this mark was higher than any game since the 2007 WNBA Finals.[quote]
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And alot of players in the league and idiots in the media can’t stand the attention she’s getting.
This is a stupid take, Sabrina Ionescu hasn't faced this same push back and if you know the women's game she had the most triple double in history of college basketball, was the number #1 pick overall and had a signature shoe that a ton of NBAers wear.
Catlin Clark is a talker and brash part of her game is getting in other women's head. The rivalries she is creating is good for the game and hopefully Clark and Boston can build something in Indiana.
Ionescu just isn’t the draw, the numbers prove it. If she was, I suspect she’d get the same treatment.
I would argue it's because of the difference in how they approach the game. Ionescu was just as hyped as Clark coming out she is not a brash shit talker like Clark.
Clark is about hype, sensationalism and in your face. I am not bashing her I love her game and the way she plays but the WNBA hasn't seen someone like this since Diana Taurasi. She gets under all the other players skin and some take the bait. Reese is making her a star because she constantly takes the bait and can't shut up.
The liberty aren't worried about the sideshow and nonsense going on in Chicago and Indiana.
Ionuscu was nowhere near the draw or hype as Clark. She’s an outstanding player but Clark made two Finals which really helped her.
Plus the liberty were irrelevant her first few year until they got Stewart and Jones.
Indiana is irrelevant to the actual game right now and Indiana vs Chicago is an irrelevant game outside of the Reese / Clark drama. Liberty vs LV was a bigger game this week from a basketball prospective. It's good for the game and people are watching so that's great hopefully it will last when people get past the drama. Clark is going to be a great pro and hopefully it settles down and is about the actual basketball at some point.
Indiana is not irrelevant. First of all, just for the overall league, they might be the MOST relevant or significant because they are the one team with, by far, the most eyes on it every game.
More importantly, with Clark and Boston starting to gel, they are actually becoming a relevant team in the standings. They still have a losing record, but they have won 5 of their last 7 to move into 4th in the East. Not spectacular, but on the rise.
I meant relevant from a level of play and standings, they are not close to playing at the level of the top teams and those teams have shut down Clark. I think Clark and Boston are a strong foundation but like the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars to win a title she is in for a long grind over the next couple of years.
I hope she continues to develop and gets stronger. It should be fun to watch.
If you get a chance listen to Geno Auriemma's comments about her and the rookie class. Geno Auriemma - ( New Window )
Auriemma's clip is a good listen.
Would be tough. Reese isn’t a transcendent player and bird and magic respected each other. Reese hates Clark.
& Bird-Magic for sure had a ton of respect for one another.
I watched more of the women's NCCA tournament this spring than I did the men's.
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This feels like it could morph into the women's version of Bird-Magic.
Would be tough. Reese isn’t a transcendent player and bird and magic respected each other. Reese hates Clark.
The media would love this and will try to create the narrative, but for these reasons, it just isn't so.
Clark is handling it well I think. She's got a lot of attention and scrutiny because she brought a lot of eyes to the sport that weren't there already. In the long run, that's great for the game. My wife, for example, couldn't give a shit about pro sports. We live in CT where we see a lot of great college players come thru and she's a big fan of Caitlin Clark. Bigger even than Paige Bueckers right now.
This beef is good for the sport. Half of what makes the NBA so fun these days is this kind of stuff, which adds a WWE type plot to a lot of these games. It's good for the womens' game that they have this now too.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
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I really can't figure out if Reese is delusional or if she is just playing this up for her own brand management.
Everyone looks at everything through a racial lense these days. Its quite annoying. People see the attention that CC is getting and then turning into a white thing. People are then seeing the hate shes getting and turning it into a black thing. IMO, the reality is that people become fans of athletes they can relate to. Theres nothing wrong with that. Its the same reason Angel Reese gets so much love despite being a below average player.
On the flip side, I don't think shes hated because shes a straight white girl. Maybe by some small group of idiots, but I think its because they are jealous. They've put all of their blood, sweat and tears into the game and this young girl comes in and shes immediately the face of the league. Women are catty and this is no different.
However, these girls complain about the money they make and they are too stupid to realize that CC is their golden ticket. They need to open their damn eyes.
A below average player? Are you serious? This is the idiocy that fuels the drama. Both players are upper echelon and both play different positions which makes the constant comparison even more stupid. Neither one is as good as the other in what they do best.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
CC isn't anything special yet either, but at least you can see the potential with her. She should get stronger and more skilled and she can shoot with the best of em so she will be a force in the future.
Lol @ hurt feelings. It's not about feelings but simply looking at where she ranks in the league in most categories she's well above average. Numbers don't lie but your bias is showing.
It’s the hype she gets. Reese clearly thinks it’s not warranted, so like an adult, she whacks her in the head every chance she gets. Seems logical.