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What is the biggest need

Blue Dog : 6/17/2024 9:05 pm
I really liked the Tre Herndon signing. CB depth was non-existent and even CB2 was a question. Herndon can play inside and outside. 34 starts, 83 games, and 3100+ snap veteran who is just 28. He isn't a star, but with a $985K cap hit he literally didn't lower the cap space a cent, so that $11.7M cap space is still available to find some other patches even if they don't want to make any big splashes or just sit tight for now.

- Swing tackle: Eluemunor offers some options because he could be kicked out to either side in a pinch and their are a few guard options, but Matt Nelson still isn't healthy and Ezeudu was awful at tackle last year. Tyre Phillips is an easy name to guess at.

- DL: they really did nothing here so far. Jordan Phillips was added on a minimum deal after losing A'shawn Robinson. They're counting on DJ Davidson and Jordon Riley to develop and Rakeem Nunez-Roches. Ryder Anderson could sneak into the group who has allegedly bulked up.

- RB depth: Behind Singletary is a major ?. I'm sure they don't want to give up on Gray but his rookie year was awful. They draft Tracy but he has just one year of actual experience. Beyond that is Jashaun Corbin and Dante Miller. The free agent market is pretty bare, Matt Breida is the easy name, but they need to try something.

- OLB: Behind the big two you have the injury plagued Ojulari and the very replaceable Boogie Basham. Surprisingly they did nothing to address the 3-4DE spot for Bowen, so that could be lumped in here. Tyus Bowser might be worth a health check.
When your “needs” are backups you’re doing ok  
BillT : 6/17/2024 9:53 pm : link
This is a relief from recent Giants teams needing a few starting OLs or a #1 and a #2 WR or a starting edge, or a couple of starters at LB or three new TEs. Hey, it can always be better but this is so much better than it’s been since whenever.
DT  
JoeyBigBlue : 6/17/2024 9:55 pm : link
Besides Dex, there isn’t a credible starter on the team.
It may come down to  
Marty in Albany : 6/17/2024 9:58 pm : link
You can't fix everything. One long-term fix may be more appropriate than two stop-gap fixes.
RE: When your “needs” are backups you’re doing ok  
Blue Dog : 6/17/2024 9:58 pm : link
In comment 16538645 BillT said:
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This is a relief from recent Giants teams needing a few starting OLs or a #1 and a #2 WR or a starting edge, or a couple of starters at LB or three new TEs. Hey, it can always be better but this is so much better than it’s been since whenever.


Starting DT might be a need, I guess it is Jordan Phillips (still injured) or Rakeem Nunez-Roches. Ryder Anderson was getting first team reps at mini camp, that is not good.
Swing tackle  
Toth029 : 6/17/2024 10:30 pm : link
If they are persistent on keeping Eluemunor at LG.

DT has Phillips and Nacho, two experienced vets. Not great pass rushers but far from duds. They can play. Nacho was an odd fit for Wink's defense. They have a lot of young guys and anything can happen.
I don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/17/2024 10:44 pm : link
see room on this roster for another RB. And Gray barely played. Don't equate him returning on specials with his ability to run the football. Gray carried the ball 17 times as a rookie and only five times after Week 5.
From that list, sure DT  
BillT : 6/17/2024 11:08 pm : link
But you can’t fix everything. No one does. Given where this roster was three years ago I’m ecstatic.
RE: I don't  
FranknWeezer : 6/17/2024 11:30 pm : link
In comment 16538660 Eric from BBI said:
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see room on this roster for another RB. And Gray barely played. Don't equate him returning on specials with his ability to run the football. Gray carried the ball 17 times as a rookie and only five times after Week 5.


Eric gonna wake up tomorrow am pretty surprised with this evening's signing!
Breida is out there till traning camp  
bigbluewillrise : 6/17/2024 11:56 pm : link
so i can easily see a reunion on vet min deal.

the giants also just signed a UFL RB tonight.

DT - im fine giving Riley/Davidson real chances and relying on Roches/Phillips.

Herndon/Long give them enough insurance at CB2 to roll with Flott/Hawkins/Phillips giving them real chances.
Same with Riley/Mills at S, enough insurance.

Not fine with Nelson/Ezedeu only at swing T. i would make a move here and spend money if you have to. this OL must be competent. nothing else matter as much as this.

In terms of 3rd edge - i think they are going to give basham a real chance. azees just has to stay healthy.

i would love to see a 3-4 bigger OLB/DE type who can play the run really well and kick inside at DT to rush the passer besides Phillips, unless they think Basham can do this. dont think fox/whitley/Oghoufo have a role. wonder if they put Beavers a bit at backup OLB for run D and share the responsibility.
Biggest Need - Evan Neal  
Manny in CA : 6/18/2024 12:17 am : link

He was actually beginning to find himself, then the injury and mis-diagnosis of his ankle.

He's still a super athlete who can still reprise everything that Thomas has done (recall that he too struggled when he first came here).

So, yeah Evan Neal's health, plus great coaching from Bricillo could make last year's failures a forgotten nightmare.
Health,  
HopePhil and Optimistic : 6/18/2024 1:42 am : link
Coaching and the patience to let the young guys develop.
RE: I don't  
Red Right Hand : 6/18/2024 3:07 am : link
In comment 16538660 Eric from BBI said:
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see room on this roster for another RB. And Gray barely played. Don't equate him returning on specials with his ability to run the football. Gray carried the ball 17 times as a rookie and only five times after Week 5.
So we're kinda taking as a given then that singletary stays healthy, doesn't fall off a cliff and tracy works out like he looks.
I guess I'm on board with that, still...

RB, ILB and swing tackle are the conserns I have right now. Maybe LG if Neal soils the sheets
No one said a big need was....  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 6/18/2024 7:26 am : link
...a franchise quarterback??????
I think far too many are  
section125 : 6/18/2024 8:26 am : link
dismissing the people on the team at DT. Despite what BBI thinks, most teams do not have multiple pass rushing DTs. That is why the Giants employed the "NASCAR" package on passing downs.
While it is true we don't have a Justin Tuck, they didn't have a Dexter Lawrence.

I think OL is still a biggest need. Shell shocked by too many missed attempts to fix the line for 10 years.
Quarterback  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/18/2024 8:42 am : link
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RE: No one said a big need was....  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/18/2024 8:45 am : link
In comment 16538694 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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...a franchise quarterback??????

Remind yourself of this exact post the next time you complain that every thread turns into a DJ thread.
Biggest need….easy for me  
5BowlsSoon : 6/18/2024 8:49 am : link
For EVAN NEAL to be the man he was “destined to be” when selected #7 in the first round. This will have a ripple down effect too.,
according to Baldy  
gidiefor : Mod : 6/18/2024 9:03 am : link
it's the Center - JMS has to step up and be what he was drafted to be -- he had a bad year last year
RE: Quarterback  
Go Terps : 6/18/2024 9:06 am : link
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RE: I think far too many are  
Blue Dog : 6/18/2024 9:10 am : link
In comment 16538709 section125 said:
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dismissing the people on the team at DT. Despite what BBI thinks, most teams do not have multiple pass rushing DTs. That is why the Giants employed the "NASCAR" package on passing downs.
While it is true we don't have a Justin Tuck, they didn't have a Dexter Lawrence.

I think OL is still a biggest need. Shell shocked by too many missed attempts to fix the line for 10 years.


It isn't just about pass rushing, they lost A'Shawn Robinson and Leonard Williams and replaced them with Jordan Phillips so we're going to see a fall in play and Dexter Lawrence will be asked to do a ton. Planning for a 5th and 7th rounder and a declining 32 year old, plus another who hasn't been worth his contract, will step up is not ideal.

If you look at the metrics from last year when it wasn't Dex and Leo/Robinson out there, there was a tremendous drop-off.
RE: RE: I don't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 6/18/2024 9:15 am : link
In comment 16538669 FranknWeezer said:
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see room on this roster for another RB. And Gray barely played. Don't equate him returning on specials with his ability to run the football. Gray carried the ball 17 times as a rookie and only five times after Week 5.



Eric gonna wake up tomorrow am pretty surprised with this evening's signing!


He's not a factor in the final 53. He's a camp body who has already been cut by the Bengals and Falcons.
PREDICTIONS Neal will be a good swing tackle while transitioning to LG  
Ivan15 : 6/18/2024 9:58 am : link
Eluemunor on an average day will grade out better than Neal on his best day thus far.

On second thought, Peart may have been a better swing tackle prospect going forward than Neal is right now.
RE: Quarterback  
Jack Stroud : 6/18/2024 11:00 am : link
In comment 16538715 gidiefor said:
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The Giants have a qb, a pretty good one. They need the defense to play better, they need for the defense to stop the gashing runs up the middle, and find a way to defense the TE!
RE: No one said a big need was....  
Blue Dog : 6/18/2024 11:10 am : link
In comment 16538694 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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...a franchise quarterback??????


For $11.7M minus in-season expenses in the middle of June... I don't think they're in the market.
RE: according to Baldy  
darren in pdx : 6/18/2024 12:46 pm : link
In comment 16538732 gidiefor said:
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it's the Center - JMS has to step up and be what he was drafted to be -- he had a bad year last year


Yeah, a lot of people just assuming he's going to be a solid starter this season. Both him and Neal not developing and being starter quality will not be a good look for Schoen.
RE: RE: according to Baldy  
Mbavaro : 6/18/2024 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16538953 darren in pdx said:
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it's the Center - JMS has to step up and be what he was drafted to be -- he had a bad year last year



Yeah, a lot of people just assuming he's going to be a solid starter this season. Both him and Neal not developing and being starter quality will not be a good look for Schoen.


So basically a rookie year where he was hurt and surrounded by terrible play at the guard position is somehow not a good look for Schoen?

Amazing how you have someone’s career figured out after an injury plagued rookie year
RE: PREDICTIONS Neal will be a good swing tackle while transitioning to LG  
Paulie Walnuts : 6/18/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16538771 Ivan15 said:
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Eluemunor on an average day will grade out better than Neal on his best day thus far.

On second thought, Peart may have been a better swing tackle prospect going forward than Neal is right now.
I'm glad Peart is gone terrible draft pick. What about Ty Phillips for swing tackle?
Agree about the DT and RB  
Lines of Scrimmage : 6/18/2024 4:38 pm : link
Without SB last season the run game was terrible most often. Backups all finished below 3.0 ypc. Hopefully a big improvement with the OL/TE's.

Seen a lot about the 4 man DL and Wide 9 but also saw quite a few 3 man looks in some Titans play. The DT/5T type is a worry imv on early downs/run situations.

Just hoping a lot of the young players make meaningful progress forward all over the roster.
RE: RE: PREDICTIONS Neal will be a good swing tackle while transitioning to LG  
Ivan15 : 6/18/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16539048 Paulie Walnuts said:
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Eluemunor on an average day will grade out better than Neal on his best day thus far.

On second thought, Peart may have been a better swing tackle prospect going forward than Neal is right now.

I'm glad Peart is gone terrible draft pick. What about Ty Phillips for swing tackle?
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Ty Phillips got. A pretty good look over the past 2 seasons. I just don’t think the Giants are very interested.
RE: RE: Quarterback  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/18/2024 6:49 pm : link
In comment 16538836 Jack Stroud said:
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The Giants have a qb, a pretty good one. They need the defense to play better, they need for the defense to stop the gashing runs up the middle, and find a way to defense the TE!


If Jack thinks Jones is a 'pretty good one', we're set.
That is an excellent point BillT  
HBart : 6/18/2024 7:05 pm : link
When your holes are pretty much all depth it's a very good thing.

The Jordan Phillips who last played with Daboll is a player. If he can roll the clock back 5 years DT2 is in fine shape. If it's the Phillips version 2023 DT2 is a hole.
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