If there's one thing we've learned over the last 5 years is the Giants love them some Daniel Jones.
A few contract things I think increase the chances he returns:
- Next year is the cheap year in his contract, keeping him in 2025 will only cost 30.5M in cash (cash by year 46, 36, 30.5, 47.5).
- In a strange way getting hurt would might help him. If he can't pass a physical in March, 23M of that 30.5M is guaranteed. If they're already paying 75%, it might make sense to let him rehab and pay the additional 7.5M.
So with contract stuff in his favor, I think it would take a disaster of a season, including Daboll getting fired for Jones to not return.
Obviously a good season secures his return. But I think even a bad to average season won't end his tenure. He becomes quite cheap as a bridge.
You think the Giants will cut Jones if he doesn't have a long playoff run? That doesn't make much sense financially.
I do agree that if the team hovers around .500 and Jones playes even as good as the 20th best QB, they'll bring him back.
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A long playoff run.
You think the Giants will cut Jones if he doesn't have a long playoff run? That doesn't make much sense financially.
If he plays well (4000 yards, 30+ total TDs) and has a long playoff run, let’s say to the Conference championship game, it will be hard to release him. But we both know that won’t happen.
He's going to play as the 25th - 18th best QB, and at the end of the year we are going to hear about how it's unfair to truly evaluate him coming off an injury, with a rookie WR, and an OL that "hasn't had time to gel."
I agree the cap impact won't be a factor, but I disagree cost won't be.
In real terms keeping Jones next year will be a 1/30M commitment. That's a pretty low number for a bridge starter.
2021: 10 passing touchdowns
2022: 15 passing touchdowns
2023: 2 passing touchdowns
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But his cap hit is still about $42m and cap savings about $20m. So, I don’t see the cap being a major factor in his favor or not in his favor. It going to be about his play on the field.
I agree the cap impact won't be a factor, but I disagree cost won't be.
In real terms keeping Jones next year will be a 1/30M commitment. That's a pretty low number for a bridge starter.
Not sure I believe they think like that. The cap number yes, the cash number?
- Stayed healthy
- 9-7-1 regular season, highly efficient, average production
- One very good playoff game, one very bad playoff game
So then what's the threshold for a 1/30M commitment?
They brought in Singletary, who’s selling point is that he is a dual threat. They drafted Tracy, a converted WR, at RB. They’ve significantly upgraded the WR corps. Anything less than 3,800 yards and 25 TD’s just isn’t going to cut it, especially if it’s combined with an under 7 YPA.
Nobody's forcing you to read it.
I agree the cap impact won't be a factor, but I disagree cost won't be.
In real terms keeping Jones next year will be a 1/30M commitment. That's a pretty low number for a bridge starter.
Not sure I believe they think like that. The cap number yes, the cash number?
If you want to look at if from a cap perspective, the save 30.5M in cap space if they cut him. They save 19.4M in 2025 and 11.1M on 2026.
The real question is whether one year of additional service from Jones is worth 30.5M.
They structured the contract in a way to move off him after this year.
Another season of truly bad OLine could save him somewhat.
They structured the contract in a way to move off him after this year.
I actually think it's quite the other way around. The contract was constructed to make it easy for them to keep him the third year.
The other variable I missed in the OP is that 12M of 2025 salary becomes guaranteed March 5th. So prior to the draft the Giants effectively must decide whether they keep him or not.
I don't think keeping Jones precludes them from drafting a quarterback in 2025 draft, but they will have to decide before the draft.
It's a clever element of the deal that benefits Team Jones.
I for one will be rooting for him to win a bunch of games and make the playoffs so we can have a little bit of fun this season. I feel like he's become so polarizing that half of the fan base wants him to be so bad he has to be cut. That just doesn't make sense to me as a fan that buys season tickets and invests many Sundays on the team.
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I'll say for him to return he'll need to make the playoffs and stay healthy. Anything less he's gone. I don't think drafting Nabers had much to do with Jones.
They structured the contract in a way to move off him after this year.
I actually think it's quite the other way around. The contract was constructed to make it easy for them to keep him the third year.
The other variable I missed in the OP is that 12M of 2025 salary becomes guaranteed March 5th. So prior to the draft the Giants effectively must decide whether they keep him or not.
I don't think keeping Jones precludes them from drafting a quarterback in 2025 draft, but they will have to decide before the draft.
It's a clever element of the deal that benefits Team Jones.
I for one will be rooting for him to win a bunch of games and make the playoffs so we can have a little bit of fun this season. I feel like he's become so polarizing that half of the fan base wants him to be so bad he has to be cut. That just doesn't make sense to me as a fan that buys season tickets and invests many Sundays on the team.
Any chance we can have a block on you posting in perpetuity?
Engram leaves here and all of the sudden no more drops.
Barkley never came close to what he was when Eli was his QB. Yes, injuries, but he was healthy in 2022 and his receiving was way down. Plus maybe his blitz pickup might have something to do with Jones not recognizing where the blitz is coming from?
I hope I eat crow but all evidence points to the guy just not being good at football.
Do you possess any willpower at all? Or do you gain weight on every diet because every day becomes a cheat day for you?
The topic is right in the subject line. You have the option to skip the thread entirely.
But you can't.
It's a clever element of the deal that benefits Team Jones.
The whole thing benefits Team Jones. Schoen really got taken to the woodshed on that contract.
The contract is fine - no woodshed. The player signing the contract IS the woodshed.
What's the alternative to Jones in 2025?
2. Assuming moderately healthy, how well did he play?
3. Where are we picking in the draft?
If we finish around .500 and no playoffs we will pick in the teens, and I can see us sticking with him. Under that and he’s gone whether he was hurt or unproductive.
If he’s healthy and we only improve 1-2 wins than he needs to go. If he’s hurt again he needs to go.
If Jones plays 12 games, throws for 2,000+ yards and 10+ TDs, I think he will be the unquestioned starter heading into 2025, with the idea that better protection and more weapons is all he needs.
On March 5th he fails a physical, and the Giants owe him 23M. Do they cut him on the spot or do they let him continue to rehab and see how the draft and UFA play out?
And if Jones is healthy by June and it only costs an additional 7M for him to be on the roster, do they pay him?
A choice that you are absolutely empowered to make. I think?
If Jones plays 12 games, throws for 2,000+ yards and 10+ TDs, I think he will be the unquestioned starter heading into 2025, with the idea that better protection and more weapons is all he needs.
I don’t think that does it. If he misses 5 games and the playoffs that seals his fate IMO. Just like it would have if it happened in 2022 and probably last year as well if we didn’t already commit the money.
On March 5th he fails a physical, and the Giants owe him 23M. Do they cut him on the spot or do they let him continue to rehab and see how the draft and UFA play out?
And if Jones is healthy by June and it only costs an additional 7M for him to be on the roster, do they pay him?
When does that additional $7 mill become guaranteed? How late can they cut him and save the $7 mill?
I think another injury year is death knell...
- Next year is the cheap year in his contract, keeping him in 2025 will only cost 30.5M in cash (cash by year 46, 36, 30.5, 47.5).
- In a strange way getting hurt would might help him. If he can't pass a physical in March, 23M of that 30.5M is guaranteed. If they're already paying 75%, it might make sense to let him rehab and pay the additional 7.5M.
So with contract stuff in his favor, I think it would take a disaster of a season, including Daboll getting fired for Jones to not return.
Obviously a good season secures his return. But I think even a bad to average season won't end his tenure. He becomes quite cheap as a bridge.)
I’ve been thinking the same things lately. Jones would have to really shit the the bed for them to not at least consider bringing him back in 25.
If he looks average or better AND gets the injury money, 7.5 million more might look cheap.
I’m not a djfc member but I’m preparing myself for possibility of his return next year.
If Luck looks good, that would factor into the decision.
if they cant, jones will be back.
how much they like jones vs alternatives will depend largely on how the season goes, and the alternatives available will be just as big of a factor as jones performance, maybe even bigger (i.e. jones didn't dictate a qb draft pick this year as much as maye would have and jjm didnt).
In that scenario the Giants will likely be entering the FA period with zero QBs under contract. Hard to imagine when they could just keep Jones for a cheaper number than they just did.
Outside of a start(career ender) like that he needs to have competent 8-9 20TD+ season, imv it's the baseline MINIMUM he needs to hit to be back in '25
What's the alternative to Jones in 2025?
Trading for a QB or trading up for a QB
if they cant, jones will be back.
how much they like jones vs alternatives will depend largely on how the season goes, and the alternatives available will be just as big of a factor as jones performance, maybe even bigger (i.e. jones didn't dictate a qb draft pick this year as much as maye would have and jjm didnt).
This is the answer! If they can draft someone or sign someone they view as an upgrade, bye bye DJ, if not..he will be back
The thing that could swing it is regularly getting booed off the field at home and/or back channeled complaints from the locker room about the organizational favoritism showed to Daniel.
1. Rumors of neck issues impacting his throwing motion
2. He tore his ACL
3. When he played he was horrendous
4. Taylor and DeVito made him look like the third best QB on the team
And yet, after an offseason that saw Kirk Cousins become an FA and one of the strongest QB draft classes in years, Jones is here.
Next year's FA class probably won't have a Cousins in it, the draft class is expected to be weaker, and Jones is going to cost less.
So why would the Giants not bring him back in 2025?
What has cousins won by the way???
What has cousins won by the way???
I agree. And, still, he is a much better quarterback than Jones.
--$41.6M
--15.2% of the cap
How are either of those good for the Giants?
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Jesus. Falcons think so highly of him - they drafted his replacement already.
What has cousins won by the way???
I agree. And, still, he is a much better quarterback than Jones.
Yes, he definitely is. But when we upgrade from Jones - the last thing we need is a mid 30s QB who has never won.
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Jesus. Falcons think so highly of him - they drafted his replacement already.
What has cousins won by the way???
I agree. And, still, he is a much better quarterback than Jones.
Yes, he definitely is. But when we upgrade from Jones - the last thing we need is a mid 30s QB who has never won.
Who is not that much better, really.
1. Rumors of neck issues impacting his throwing motion
2. He tore his ACL
3. When he played he was horrendous
4. Taylor and DeVito made him look like the third best QB on the team
And yet, after an offseason that saw Kirk Cousins become an FA and one of the strongest QB draft classes in years, Jones is here.
Next year's FA class probably won't have a Cousins in it, the draft class is expected to be weaker, and Jones is going to cost less.
So why would the Giants not bring him back in 2025?
That's why I am resigned to the fate that, barring a catastrophic injury or performance, Jones will return in 2025.
Jones, Lock, and DeVito are at best journeyman QBs. The difference is that the latter two are extremely cheap. Taylor and DeVito outplayed Jones last year. If Lock and/or DeVito do so this year, then Jones will be cut IMO. Lock would be resigned, and the Giants will begin searching for their next franchise QB.
To those who think Jones will be gone... who's the alternative?
Much like trading for Russell Wilson from a few years ago or drafting Malik Willis 5th overall.
Much like trading for Russell Wilson from a few years ago or drafting Malik Willis 5th overall.
Both Cousins and Wilson would have been better alternatives to Jones. They may not get the Giants to the Super Bowl but with a good team and coaching they would give the Giants a fighting chance to at least get to the Conference Finals.
Engram leaves here and all of the sudden no more drops.
Barkley never came close to what he was when Eli was his QB. Yes, injuries, but he was healthy in 2022 and his receiving was way down. Plus maybe his blitz pickup might have something to do with Jones not recognizing where the blitz is coming from?
I hope I eat crow but all evidence points to the guy just not being good at football.
Lot of good points but I don't think the beginning conclusion is fair. Look at the Judge teams with Jones and without Jones. Went from a mediocre to bad offense to a little sisters of the poor offense without him. could be coaching, bad players, etc. Could be he made the team better. 2022 was a bad football team. Made the playoffs and won a game. You can give credit to coaching, schedule, SB, etc. Also fair to give credit to DJ. Same way you can look at the woes when DJ was on the field in 2023 and blame just him, or you can blame other things. I think the coaching job was great in 2022 but bad in 2023 and DJ's play was right with this.
To those who think Jones will be gone... who's the alternative?
Well we could draft one and develop him. Oh, wait...
He has a worse contract
And the capital to get him was astronomical.
So no- he is or was not a better option.
if they cant, jones will be back.
The complicating variable is timing. The Giants have to make a down payment on Jones a month before the draft on March 5. Unlike this year, where 2024 Jones was already paid for, the payment structure for 2025 Jones isn't predetermined.
Now maybe they pay the 12M as insurance and proceed into UFA/trade/draft season, and that's a fair alternative.
In terms of the like factor, I don't think that's a binary scenario. The Giants can like a player in the draft and select him and rationalize keeping Jones on a 1/30M bridge deal.
In fact that scenario is probably the most similar to the scenarios you've described with both Smith/Mahomes and Smith/Kaepernick.
I know OTC is projecting the cap at 260 for 2025 right now, but I don't think that holds. I think that's an extraordinary conservative estimate that the cap only increase 5M YoY. My guess is the cap is closer to 275 for 2025. On a 275M cap, Jones would be 15% of the cap. Not great, but tolerable for continuity.
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I'll say for him to return he'll need to make the playoffs and stay healthy. Anything less he's gone. I don't think drafting Nabers had much to do with Jones.
They structured the contract in a way to move off him after this year.
I actually think it's quite the other way around. The contract was constructed to make it easy for them to keep him the third year.
The other variable I missed in the OP is that 12M of 2025 salary becomes guaranteed March 5th. So prior to the draft the Giants effectively must decide whether they keep him or not.
I don't think keeping Jones precludes them from drafting a quarterback in 2025 draft, but they will have to decide before the draft.
It's a clever element of the deal that benefits Team Jones.
I think you are absolutely right. It is a virtual certainty he is brought back next year purely due to the clever way team DJ structured this contract. Never has a front office been more bamboozled by a player than this franchise.
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He should end up being the starter, if healthy, and with a better supporting cast have a positive season. I get that its the slow period but there should be a block on DJ threads until camp.
I for one will be rooting for him to win a bunch of games and make the playoffs so we can have a little bit of fun this season. I feel like he's become so polarizing that half of the fan base wants him to be so bad he has to be cut. That just doesn't make sense to me as a fan that buys season tickets and invests many Sundays on the team.
Any chance we can have a block on you posting in perpetuity?
You wouldn’t have anything to do.
I for one will be rooting for him to win a bunch of games and make the playoffs so we can have a little bit of fun this season. I feel like he's become so polarizing that half of the fan base wants him to be so bad he has to be cut. That just doesn't make sense to me as a fan that buys season tickets and invests many Sundays on the team.
Nobody put a gun to your head to make you open this thread. If you don't want to see it, pass it by.
Our defense is preventing Jones from throwing TD passes? Maybe they're better than we thought.
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I'll say for him to return he'll need to make the playoffs and stay healthy. Anything less he's gone. I don't think drafting Nabers had much to do with Jones.
They structured the contract in a way to move off him after this year.
I actually think it's quite the other way around. The contract was constructed to make it easy for them to keep him the third year.
The other variable I missed in the OP is that 12M of 2025 salary becomes guaranteed March 5th. So prior to the draft the Giants effectively must decide whether they keep him or not.
I don't think keeping Jones precludes them from drafting a quarterback in 2025 draft, but they will have to decide before the draft.
It's a clever element of the deal that benefits Team Jones.
I think you are absolutely right. It is a virtual certainty he is brought back next year purely due to the clever way team DJ structured this contract. Never has a front office been more bamboozled by a player than this franchise.
One more season of DJ already makes me want to vomit, I cannot fathom two
UFA is going to find you average QBs with inflated salaries - like Cousins or Dak. No team is trading a young, promising QB for anything the Giants can offer?
The Giants clearly think Jones is a good QB. Given that, which of the above options do you think they would choose over him in 2025?
If Jones is able to play in 2025 he will almost certainly be doing it as the starter for the Giants. They are open to upgrading, but it is not seen as a necessity.
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I really am dying to know. Is this whiney gash thing new for you? The Internet says you've been on BBI for some time, but this degree of bitchiness is something I would have noticed before.
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And with the requirement of a down payment to keep him on the roster throughout the draft process, I think the odds are very high he is there in 2025.
UFA is going to find you average QBs with inflated salaries - like Cousins or Dak. No team is trading a young, promising QB for anything the Giants can offer?
The Giants clearly think Jones is a good QB. Given that, which of the above options do you think they would choose over him in 2025?
If Jones is able to play in 2025 he will almost certainly be doing it as the starter for the Giants. They are open to upgrading, but it is not seen as a necessity.
There is one option out there and I understand there might be less than 0% chance of it happening. But stranger things happen.
What if Buffalo implodes this year? Can they possibly be dumb enough to put Allen on the market for say 3 first rounders plus whatever.
Just spitballin.
Who is not that much better, really.
See, this is why many think the DJFC have lost their damn minds.
Kirk Cousins has played 8 full seasons, in 7 of them, he's thrown for over 4,000 yards, and in the 8th, almost 3,700 yards - totals Jones HAS NEVER REACHED!
In 8 full seasons, Cousins has thrown for at least 25 TD's, again, a number that Jones has never reached, and only came close once. He has never in his career averaged under 7.1 YPA, again, a number Jones has never reached.
I have my issues with Cousins, but he is light years better than Daniel Jones, and anyone arguing that simply doesn't know football.
Engram leaves here and all of the sudden no more drops.
Barkley never came close to what he was when Eli was his QB. Yes, injuries, but he was healthy in 2022 and his receiving was way down. Plus maybe his blitz pickup might have something to do with Jones not recognizing where the blitz is coming from?
I hope I eat crow but all evidence points to the guy just not being good at football.
Feliciano played half the snaps in SF (48%) to what he did in NYG (97%). Not to mention the scheme and players around him on the line. He wasn't even bad in New York and wanted to return. This is Daniel's fault? Weird man.
Hernandez hasn't been much better in Zona. His PFF ratings have been mid 60's or lower. Low bar, I guess?
Evan Engram caused six INTs in 2020 and had 11 drops altogether. He had 7 last year and an ADOT of 5 yards. Lots of dump offs. Not to mention his YPG still wasn't higher than it was in 2019 - a Jones year.
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Who is not that much better, really.
See, this is why many think the DJFC have lost their damn minds.
This why idiots permeate BBI. I want Jones gone and have for quite awhile. But if you put Jones on the Vikings and put Cousins behind the Giants offense, the numbers likely flip.
Is Cousins better? Like I said, somewhat.
In fact - he couldn’t even beat the Giants at home on which you called one of the worst playoff teams ever.
To those who think Jones will be gone... who's the alternative?
This is exactly where I am. The time to replace Jones was this offseason. I think the Giants have enough talent to play themselves out of a 1-3 draft pick in 2025. That is likely the spot required to get a top qb prospect in 25. I think Jones is back in 25.
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If you want to draft a rookie, is there someone as good as Drake Maye coming out who will be easier/cheaper for the Giants to get? If the only first round QBs coming out are the JJ/Penix/Nix range, why would the Giants take one this year?
UFA is going to find you average QBs with inflated salaries - like Cousins or Dak. No team is trading a young, promising QB for anything the Giants can offer?
The Giants clearly think Jones is a good QB. Given that, which of the above options do you think they would choose over him in 2025?
If Jones is able to play in 2025 he will almost certainly be doing it as the starter for the Giants. They are open to upgrading, but it is not seen as a necessity.
There is one option out there and I understand there might be less than 0% chance of it happening. But stranger things happen.
What if Buffalo implodes this year? Can they possibly be dumb enough to put Allen on the market for say 3 first rounders plus whatever.
Just spitballin.
I don't understand why the Bills would do that deal. You don't trade an elite QB in the prime of his career for draft picks. They don't get closer to knocking off the Chiefs by hoping they can package 3 first round picks together in the hopes of finding someone as good as the guy they just traded.
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if they can get someone they like better, they will do it.
if they cant, jones will be back.
The complicating variable is timing. The Giants have to make a down payment on Jones a month before the draft on March 5. Unlike this year, where 2024 Jones was already paid for, the payment structure for 2025 Jones isn't predetermined.
Now maybe they pay the 12M as insurance and proceed into UFA/trade/draft season, and that's a fair alternative.
In terms of the like factor, I don't think that's a binary scenario. The Giants can like a player in the draft and select him and rationalize keeping Jones on a 1/30M bridge deal.
In fact that scenario is probably the most similar to the scenarios you've described with both Smith/Mahomes and Smith/Kaepernick.
I know OTC is projecting the cap at 260 for 2025 right now, but I don't think that holds. I think that's an extraordinary conservative estimate that the cap only increase 5M YoY. My guess is the cap is closer to 275 for 2025. On a 275M cap, Jones would be 15% of the cap. Not great, but tolerable for continuity.
completely agree - if jones performs in line with his career averages, which i generally consider a most likely scenario for any player - it is possible they decide to keep him as insurance even if they also decide they need to upgrade. Unless you have a #1/2 overall pick the draft is never a guarantee that you will get the guy you want 2 months ahead of time when most big cap decisions are made.
if he performs to his career averages and stays healthy, he also likely has positive trade value since the trading team would take on just 1 year, $30m, just $12m guaranteed $, 2nd year option. At age 28 he'd be same age Mayfield was this past offseason when he got a richer deal than that, so in a higher cap it's possible there's value there. his cap # from a team trading for him could easily be lowered below $20m.
i think all of the above were things they considered when they extended him and structured the 3rd year the way they did in the first place. as we have said, by their actions they liked him a lot when they extended him and appear to still like him even after the ACL. That 'like' can be valued by a contract that over time has ranked somewhere between #10-15. the path to his contract exceeding $40m aav was by ranking top 5/10 in the statistical categories everyone routinely cites as things he needs to do (and/or winning enough to get to playoffs). I think it's probably fair to assume they saw Maye as a potential top 5-10 QB but didn't see that in JJM/Penix/Nix.
Jones put up a historically bad 2 TDs to 6 ints, took 2 injuries and went 1-5 only putting up an offensive TD in one half of one game and was outperformed in basically the same anount of pass attempts in passing TDs, passing yards and iNTs by an undrafted rookie and a journeyman backup . He threw as many TDs to the opposition as he did to his team.
Yet this organization didn’t see fit to draft a single QB in a draft their owner acknowledged as one if the best QBs drafts in years
Not only that they replaced tbe journeyman backup with a worse journeyman backup
So no I really dont think there is a chance he wont be here in 2025.
In fact - he couldn’t even beat the Giants at home on which you called one of the worst playoff teams ever.
What has Jones won?
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Is a highly paid AB who hasn’t won shit, right?
In fact - he couldn’t even beat the Giants at home on which you called one of the worst playoff teams ever.
What has Jones won?
I am talking about Cousins. Keep up. Not everything is about Jones. But your obsession for him is quite impressive.
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Who is not that much better, really.
See, this is why many think the DJFC have lost their damn minds.
Kirk Cousins has played 8 full seasons, in 7 of them, he's thrown for over 4,000 yards, and in the 8th, almost 3,700 yards - totals Jones HAS NEVER REACHED!
In 8 full seasons, Cousins has thrown for at least 25 TD's, again, a number that Jones has never reached, and only came close once. He has never in his career averaged under 7.1 YPA, again, a number Jones has never reached.
I have my issues with Cousins, but he is light years better than Daniel Jones, and anyone arguing that simply doesn't know football.
Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins are already ranked among the top twenty quarterbacks to have ever played the position in terms of passing yards, touchdown passes and passer rating. And they will both likely have multiple years ahead of very strong production. Daniel Jones is probably the worst quarterback to have ever played the position in NFL history given the number of games started and passes attempted. My guess is, he will remove any doubt as to this ignominious achievement in the year(s) ahead.
The idea that people have compared him to players like Cousins and Wilson has been comical over the past five years. Now it is beyond sad. Schoen should have absolutely signed either Cousins or Wilson this past off season and cut DJ. Carrying on with this charade is the very definition of insanity.
A poster said Cousins "is not that much better, really." That is a comparison
Except Section125s post.
And your reply agreeing cousins is better than Jones.
But no, no one in this thread compared them
We gonna get some kind of Big Apple discount?
Money grow on trees around here?
We gonna get some kind of Big Apple discount?
Money grow on trees around here?
Go Terps throwing shit to the wall.
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He's 36 in 2 months, he's coming off an achilles tear and he just signed a contract that guarantees him $90M.
We gonna get some kind of Big Apple discount?
Money grow on trees around here?
Go Terps throwing shit to the wall.
Along with his fan club.
Signing Cousins to a contract like that would be the worst signing of the offseason.
You did, didn't you?
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What has cousins won by the way???
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Jesus. Falcons think so highly of him - they drafted his replacement already.
What has cousins won by the way???
I agree. And, still, he is a much better quarterback than Jones.
Yes, he definitely is. But when we upgrade from Jones - the last thing we need is a mid 30s QB who has never won.
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Much like trading for Russell Wilson from a few years ago or drafting Malik Willis 5th overall.
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In fact - he couldn’t even beat the Giants at home on which you called one of the worst playoff teams ever.
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Is a highly paid AB who hasn’t won shit, right?
In fact - he couldn’t even beat the Giants at home on which you called one of the worst playoff teams ever.
What has Jones won?
I am talking about Cousins. Keep up. Not everything is about Jones. But your obsession for him is quite impressive.
I think maybe you don't know what "compare" means.
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He's 36 in 2 months, he's coming off an achilles tear and he just signed a contract that guarantees him $90M.
We gonna get some kind of Big Apple discount?
Money grow on trees around here?
Go Terps throwing shit to the wall.
Those are known as "facts". Something you are obviously not familiar with.
It's really that simple. And it's the same policy for every NFL team that doesn't currently have a top 5 QB. Doesn't matter who's on the roster or what the circumstances are, if you can get a better QB, you do it.
Maybe they land Prescott or trade for Cousins. IF the Giants feel those guys are upgrades, Jones would be gone.
But unless Jones is truly horrid, the Giants are not just going to dump him and ride Drew Lock without having Jones' true replacement in the building.
Thus, if Jones is serviceable or better this year, and the Giants can't sign a better QB, Jones will be back.
Even if the Giants are terrible and draft a QB with a high pick, Jones might still be back to hold the fort for however long it takes for the rookie to play.
And oh yeah. Jones would also have to stay healthy (to not return). If his injury clause kicks in, they're going to be paying him $30M regardless. That might keep him a Giants backup next year even if they find a better starter.
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A long playoff run.
You think the Giants will cut Jones if he doesn't have a long playoff run? That doesn't make much sense financially.
If he plays well (4000 yards, 30+ total TDs) and has a long playoff run, let’s say to the Conference championship game, it will be hard to release him. But we both know that won’t happen.
With the season you posted, you say it would be hard to release him. Why the hell would you even contemplate releasing him, that's an elite performance.
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A long playoff run.
You think the Giants will cut Jones if he doesn't have a long playoff run? That doesn't make much sense financially.
If he plays well (4000 yards, 30+ total TDs) and has a long playoff run, let’s say to the Conference championship game, it will be hard to release him. But we both know that won’t happen.
With the season you posted, you say it would be hard to release him. Why the hell would you even contemplate releasing him, that's an elite performance.
Which is why it would be hard to release him.
It's really that simple. And it's the same policy for every NFL team that doesn't currently have a top 5 QB. Doesn't matter who's on the roster or what the circumstances are, if you can get a better QB, you do it.
Maybe they land Prescott or trade for Cousins. IF the Giants feel those guys are upgrades, Jones would be gone.
But unless Jones is truly horrid, the Giants are not just going to dump him and ride Drew Lock without having Jones' true replacement in the building.
Thus, if Jones is serviceable or better this year, and the Giants can't sign a better QB, Jones will be back.
Even if the Giants are terrible and draft a QB with a high pick, Jones might still be back to hold the fort for however long it takes for the rookie to play.
And oh yeah. Jones would also have to stay healthy (to not return). If his injury clause kicks in, they're going to be paying him $30M regardless. That might keep him a Giants backup next year even if they find a better starter.
It's not quite that simple. You also need to account for cost. If they feel like they can find similar production or even slightly worse, but at a fraction of the cost, they can and should do it. If he plays mediocre, he should be replaced because you can get mediocre production for a lot less than 30 million.
Now I don't believe that's how they will operate because they have shown zero signs that they evaluate the QB position with anything other than emotion
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Who is not that much better, really.
See, this is why many think the DJFC have lost their damn minds.
This why idiots permeate BBI. I want Jones gone and have for quite awhile. But if you put Jones on the Vikings and put Cousins behind the Giants offense, the numbers likely flip.
Are we sure about that?
What if we put Jones on Washington in 2017, does he throw 27 TDs to the likes of Jamison Crowder, Ryan Grant, Josh Doctson and Vernon Davis at the tail end of his career?
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He's 36 in 2 months, he's coming off an achilles tear and he just signed a contract that guarantees him $90M.
We gonna get some kind of Big Apple discount?
Money grow on trees around here?
Go Terps throwing shit to the wall.
Those are known as "facts". Something you are obviously not familiar with.
What MOOPS - yes they are. Which I agree with and you seem to can’t understand.
It’s not it time for you to quit on the Giants again like you have admittedly done before?
Jones isn't here anymore if he doesn't have a good 2022 season. HE's here now because despite the bad 23 season he signed long term prior to week 1. He was here after 2021 because he was a cheap cost controlled player.
Follow the money. Don't over think it. Teams rarely if ever cut cheap QBs even if they are struggling unless they feel the player isn't going to improve. See Niners with Trey Lance. Niners roster was stacked. The team was ready to win with just about anyone behind center. As long as you didn't get in the way (hello Jimmy G) you could hold the job. Lance couldn't do it, hence he was cut.
If Jones falls apart in 23 I would think the timing would be right for a release or a dramatic pay cut/team friendly restructure. Timing matters.
Engram leaves here and all of the sudden no more drops.
Barkley never came close to what he was when Eli was his QB. Yes, injuries, but he was healthy in 2022 and his receiving was way down. Plus maybe his blitz pickup might have something to do with Jones not recognizing where the blitz is coming from?
I hope I eat crow but all evidence points to the guy just not being good at football.
Right. It was DJ's fault that Evan Engram dropped passes right in his hands and we all know that guys like Isiah Hodgins were better players before coming here. No way in hell was the HC to blame for Engram or god forbid we just chalk it up to Engram maturing as a player after leaving NYG. Blame Jones...And Jones causes OL breakdowns....cmon!
PS, Hodgins was on a PS before coming here. And then he ended 2022 as a household name with approx 40 catches and 5-6 TDs in like 10 games. Isiah. Fucking. Hodgins.
I don't know why we need to exaggerate to make a point around here but ok....
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...in fact, OL guys like Feliciano and Hernandez leave here and all of the sudden look competent.
Engram leaves here and all of the sudden no more drops.
Barkley never came close to what he was when Eli was his QB. Yes, injuries, but he was healthy in 2022 and his receiving was way down. Plus maybe his blitz pickup might have something to do with Jones not recognizing where the blitz is coming from?
I hope I eat crow but all evidence points to the guy just not being good at football.
Right. It was DJ's fault that Evan Engram dropped passes right in his hands and we all know that guys like Isiah Hodgins were better players before coming here. No way in hell was the HC to blame for Engram or god forbid we just chalk it up to Engram maturing as a player after leaving NYG. Blame Jones...And Jones causes OL breakdowns....cmon!
PS, Hodgins was on a PS before coming here. And then he ended 2022 as a household name with approx 40 catches and 5-6 TDs in like 10 games. Isiah. Fucking. Hodgins.
I don't know why we need to exaggerate to make a point around here but ok....
The irony of referring to Isaiah Hodgins as a "household name" before admonishing your fellow posters about exaggeration is off the charts, even for you.
The guys who love him are convinced he'll be gone next year
Wild, unprecedented stuff. Hes among the most boring, anonymous journeyman QB who's ever played and he continues to warp the minds of owners and fans alike.
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Who is not that much better, really.
See, this is why many think the DJFC have lost their damn minds.
This why idiots permeate BBI. I want Jones gone and have for quite awhile. But if you put Jones on the Vikings and put Cousins behind the Giants offense, the numbers likely flip.
Is Cousins better? Like I said, somewhat.
He is not "somewhat" better, he is CLEARLY better. His worst season is far better than Jones's best. Top 10 in yards and TD's 8 out of 9 full seasons.
Maybe you should look up "reading comprehension", because it's clearly eluding you.
The guys who love him are convinced he'll be gone next year
Wild, unprecedented stuff. Hes among the most boring, anonymous journeyman QB who's ever played and he continues to warp the minds of owners and fans alike.
He’s not a great QB and many of us want to move on, but no need to make it personal with the guy….geez
One more season of DJ already makes me want to vomit, I cannot fathom two
This...100% this.
It is so very fuckin' sad.
What other team in any other sport and at any other level, would stick with a clearly sub-par talent at the most important position - for 6, possibly 7 years?!!!
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...in fact, OL guys like Feliciano and Hernandez leave here and all of the sudden look competent.
Engram leaves here and all of the sudden no more drops.
Barkley never came close to what he was when Eli was his QB. Yes, injuries, but he was healthy in 2022 and his receiving was way down. Plus maybe his blitz pickup might have something to do with Jones not recognizing where the blitz is coming from?
I hope I eat crow but all evidence points to the guy just not being good at football.
Right. It was DJ's fault that Evan Engram dropped passes right in his hands and we all know that guys like Isiah Hodgins were better players before coming here. No way in hell was the HC to blame for Engram or god forbid we just chalk it up to Engram maturing as a player after leaving NYG. Blame Jones...And Jones causes OL breakdowns....cmon!
PS, Hodgins was on a PS before coming here. And then he ended 2022 as a household name with approx 40 catches and 5-6 TDs in like 10 games. Isiah. Fucking. Hodgins.
I don't know why we need to exaggerate to make a point around here but ok....
The irony of referring to Isaiah Hodgins as a "household name" before admonishing your fellow posters about exaggeration is off the charts, even for you.
Had you ever heard of Hodgins prior to October / November of 2022? Did you know his name by January 2023? I know I did. The guy was starting on FF teams where as 3 months prior no one knew who he was.
Household name was appropriate. I didn't say the guy was great or pro bowl caliber or even a worthy starter. But he became known as a viable NFL WR and had a great playoff game performance.
Thanks for the interest.
You say this on every thread. I guarantee you'll post on this one a dozen more times.
- Stayed healthy
- 9-7-1 regular season, highly efficient, average production
- One very good playoff game, one very bad playoff game
So then what's the threshold for a 1/30M commitment?
Don't forget to unzip
The FA route isn't going to work, because a Kirk Cousins-type is about as good as it gets and some of our luminaries point out he isn't good enough.
So the draft? Well if the Giants are picking 6-10ish in a weak 2025 QB draft, why would they be more likely to pick one than they were in 2024?
Further, what are the criteria that need to be met for the Giants to draft a QB? To me this is THE question of the offseason.
If not the draft, a trade? For who?
If you think this is a contentious issue now, I think it's got a chance to be much moreso around Halloween with another season in the tank.
The FA route isn't going to work, because a Kirk Cousins-type is about as good as it gets and some of our luminaries point out he isn't good enough.
So the draft? Well if the Giants are picking 6-10ish in a weak 2025 QB draft, why would they be more likely to pick one than they were in 2024?
Further, what are the criteria that need to be met for the Giants to draft a QB? To me this is THE question of the offseason.
If not the draft, a trade? For who?
If you think this is a contentious issue now, I think it's got a chance to be much moreso around Halloween with another season in the tank.
Why did they pick one in 2019? As I think it through, 2025 feels like a repeat of 2019. Bring back Jones and use a first round pick on QB. A year after they should have just like 2018.
But, yeah I think Jones being back regardless feels more likely than not.
I for one will be rooting for him to win a bunch of games and make the playoffs so we can have a little bit of fun this season. I feel like he's become so polarizing that half of the fan base wants him to be so bad he has to be cut. That just doesn't make sense to me as a fan that buys season tickets and invests many Sundays on the team.
Agree!
It’s mid June and a lot of us think this season is probably DOA already because of the QB position. I don’t get posts like this. And if it offends you, don’t click on the post.
Is there a guy in this draft like that? Sometime else that fits the bill as the Giants' "face of the franchise?" I don't know. If there isn't, Arch Manning is eligible for the 2026 draft.
2024 - Jones
2025 - Jones
2026 - Jones (last year of contract)/Arch reenact 2004 Warner/Eli.
Hey - Eric is providing a counseling service. A lot of posters were in dire need of it.
When I see a thread about a thing I don't like, a thing I find ridiculous, what should I do? Should I open that and thread and post on it? Or should I just move along?
Of course I have no way to prove it, but it’s something I’ve always suspected.
Of course I have no way to prove it, but it’s something I’ve always suspected.
Or maybe they had a better evaluation on him over Dwayne Haskins without all of the ancillary bull shit being involved
But I do think believing that they saw a lot of Eli in Jones isn’t Jim Garrison like paranoia.
But I do think believing that they saw a lot of Eli in Jones isn’t Jim Garrison like paranoia.
Maybe….at the same time….he was just the better choice over Haskins and certain tv personalities called them racist for doing it
What does that have to do with anything? Just a grudge for you to hold onto? Honestly, who cares what certain TV personalities said at the time, and why is it relevant to bring it up in this context?
Yea…it was him
Is there a guy in this draft like that? Sometime else that fits the bill as the Giants' "face of the franchise?" I don't know. If there isn't, Arch Manning is eligible for the 2026 draft.
2024 - Jones
2025 - Jones
2026 - Jones (last year of contract)/Arch reenact 2004 Warner/Eli.
You might be onto something here. Add in that Drake Maye fit that bill too. Looking back at the first round QB's the Giants have drafted: Morehead St, Duke, Ole Miss, Duke.
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I think they drafted Jones because they thought they were getting an Eli clone. Big, smart, nice, boring. From a 'good family', utterly inoffensive on camera, will do the commercials with the corporate partners, etc.
Is there a guy in this draft like that? Sometime else that fits the bill as the Giants' "face of the franchise?" I don't know. If there isn't, Arch Manning is eligible for the 2026 draft.
2024 - Jones
2025 - Jones
2026 - Jones (last year of contract)/Arch reenact 2004 Warner/Eli.
You might be onto something here. Add in that Drake Maye fit that bill too. Looking back at the first round QB's the Giants have drafted: Morehead St, Duke, Ole Miss, Duke.
And who were the available options at the time of those respective picks?
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A better question is how do the Giants evaluate college and pro quarterbacks, and what motivated then to draft quarterbacks?
Here are the Giants' leaguewide rankings in points scored since 2012, interspersed with their QB draft picks over that period:
2012 - 6
2013 draft: Ryan Nassib, Round 4
2013 - 28
2014 - 13
2015 - 6
2016 - 26
2017 draft: Davis Webb, Senior Bowl MVP, Round 3
2017 - 31
2018 - 16
2018 draft: Kyle Lauletta, Senior Bowl MVP, Round 4
2019 - 18
2019 draft: Daniel Jones, Senior Bowl MVP, Round 1
2020 - 31
2021 - 31
2022 - 15
2023 - 30
Does this look like it tells the story of a team acting logically in the mission of winning football games?
Cris Carter was the biggest mouth in that whole scenario.
Brett Kollman blasting the Giants for not drafting Dwayne Haskins another.
Whole situation is funny looking back. The overreaction and the childish antics. Know-it-all attitude and behavior.
For all the talk of the Giants "type". Look, if the Giants had the #1 pick, Caleb Williams is their pick. It's silly.
That's a great observation.
A related but slightly different observation, around measuring "like." I think we've all collectively tortured the 2/82M number to death, when the 3/112.5 might have been the scenario to focus on.
As you know my initial thought was Team Jones not getting 3 years effectively guaranteed was a win for the Giants. That's what Prescott got (3 years of 40M), and that was my psychological expectation.
I've thought on many occasions, might it have been better for Jones to accept a lower AAV for 3 years. And my guess is functionally he did.
A better question is how do the Giants evaluate college and pro quarterbacks, and what motivated then to draft quarterbacks?
Here are the Giants' leaguewide rankings in points scored since 2012, interspersed with their QB draft picks over that period:
2012 - 6
2013 draft: Ryan Nassib, Round 4
2013 - 28
2014 - 13
2015 - 6
2016 - 26
2017 draft: Davis Webb, Senior Bowl MVP, Round 3
2017 - 31
2018 - 16
2018 draft: Kyle Lauletta, Senior Bowl MVP, Round 4
2019 - 18
2019 draft: Daniel Jones, Senior Bowl MVP, Round 1
2020 - 31
2021 - 31
2022 - 15
2023 - 30
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The Giants are not acting logically in regard to QB and openly discuss it ie needing to “fall in love” with a QB. Love isn’t based on logic.
At the same time, though, guys like Schoen and Daboll also aren't stupid; they want to win big just like all of us and know that average at QB likely isn't going to get you there and my guess is that what they want to see from Jones this fall is the ability to play at a pretty high level and if not I'm pretty sure they'll be moving on. Time will tell!
The point is the third year in his deal allows for a considerable amount of wiggle room in the cost/benefit measurements.
The point is the third year in his deal allows for a considerable amount of wiggle room in the cost/benefit measurements.
Wow! A nuanced thread on BBI; I must have missed that! The thing is the Giants aren't going to make their decision based on money and cap considerations. If they believe that Jones is the answer at QB they'll pay him. That's what NFL teams do. If they don't they'll start the process of moving on.
Unsurprisingly, the nuance goes over your head again. Because of the timing and construction of the contract, it's not necessarily a binary choice.
They may very well be in a position where they both have to pay and start the process of moving on from him.
This is the same situation they were in with Manning in 2019. His roster bonus was due before the draft at the start of the league year. One third of his new cash compensation was paid before the draft (almost exactly what the Giants owe Jones on March 5).
You contribute more with your "let it play out" decrees than when you actually try and delve into outcomes. Just stick with that.
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If they believe that Jones is the answer at QB they'll pay him. That's what NFL teams do. If they don't they'll start the process of moving on.
Unsurprisingly, the nuance goes over your head again. Because of the timing and construction of the contract, it's not necessarily a binary choice.
They may very well be in a position where they both have to pay and start the process of moving on from him.
This is the same situation they were in with Manning in 2019. His roster bonus was due before the draft at the start of the league year. One third of his new cash compensation was paid before the draft (almost exactly what the Giants owe Jones on March 5).
You contribute more with your "let it play out" decrees than when you actually try and delve into outcomes. Just stick with that.
If I read your analysis correctly the scenario you describe only would come into play if Jones can't pass a physical prior to the start of the football year. And for him to work as a bridge they'd want to have some guarantees that he'd be healthy by the fall to work as a bridge.
12M of his 30.5M 2024 salary is guaranteed March 5 (regardless of his health) which is both before the draft and free agency begins. They have to make that decision before they can draft, sign, or trade for another quarterback.
If he cannot pass a physical that same day, that 12M increases to 23M.
These stage gates in the contract before the league milestones are there by design, and to Jones's advantage. They force the Giants hand before they have all the information and options.
Imagine a scenario where they effectively "pay" either the 12M or 23M to keep their options open. Then the decision becomes is it worth to keep a healthy Jones For +18M or a recovering Jones for +7M.
Again, the question we're debating is what would it take for the Giants to not want Jones at a fair rate to be at a minimum a bridge.
12M of his 30.5M 2024 salary is guaranteed March 5 (regardless of his health) which is both before the draft and free agency begins. They have to make that decision before they can draft, sign, or trade for another quarterback.
If he cannot pass a physical that same day, that 12M increases to 23M.
These stage gates in the contract before the league milestones are there by design, and to Jones's advantage. They force the Giants hand before they have all the information and options.
Imagine a scenario where they effectively "pay" either the 12M or 23M to keep their options open. Then the decision becomes is it worth to keep a healthy Jones For +18M or a recovering Jones for +7M.
Again, the question we're debating is what would it take for the Giants to not want Jones at a fair rate to be at a minimum a bridge.
I think you are right christian. Unless the season is an absolute disaster, there's a good chance Jones is the bridge here for 2025. They've already done this in 2019. And, we just saw the Falcons pay Cousins just to draft Penix 8th overall.
I could see a scenario quite easily where the Giants bring back Jones at his salary while drafting a QB within the top 2 rounds in the draft.
12M of his 30.5M 2024 salary is guaranteed March 5 (regardless of his health) which is both before the draft and free agency begins. They have to make that decision before they can draft, sign, or trade for another quarterback.
If he cannot pass a physical that same day, that 12M increases to 23M.
These stage gates in the contract before the league milestones are there by design, and to Jones's advantage. They force the Giants hand before they have all the information and options.
Imagine a scenario where they effectively "pay" either the 12M or 23M to keep their options open. Then the decision becomes is it worth to keep a healthy Jones For +18M or a recovering Jones for +7M.
Again, the question we're debating is what would it take for the Giants to not want Jones at a fair rate to be at a minimum a bridge.
I think you've maybe got yourself really deep into the weeds here. The fact is that the Giants are going to pretty much know whether Jones is their guy going forward or not by March 5th. They are also going to have a pretty good idea what their options are in both the 2025 draft and free agency. And at that point whether they want to keep Jones around as a bridge is almost besides the point. The one thing that would complicate the issue obviously is if Jones in fact can't pass the physical, but that almost becomes one of those things worst-case scenarios that you deal with when they happen.
His current contract is not 'fair' value IF those people are close to the truth.
Aside from a scant few people who think he's top tier, there are those who think he's middle of the pack, but only with generosity is he near the top of the middle. IMO, that is still a QB who needs to be in the rearview mirror.
His contract still isn't 'fair', but it isn't outrageous.
Bridge QB's don't cost 30-40 mil. They're in the 5-15 range.
Win-Loss isn't as important as DJ showing his play is still getting better. IMO, that's what got him the contract, off a decent, not stellar, year. His trajectory was supposed to continue upward. It dropped to rock bottom, with poor play and 2 more serious injuries.
Another year of mediocrity, especially if coupled with more games lost to injury, is not going to cut it. Borderline toss-up. The lower the level of mediocrity, the less likely his return.
But, this conversation is WAAAAAAY too early. The time to have it is November, at the earliest. He could be injured, or benched, or the rest of the team could look awful, again.
Teams don't make a decision on a quarterback based on "having a pretty good idea what their options are." Do you think on March 5th 2024 the Giants had finalized their draft POV?
But regardless, that's not the point of the thread. The point of the thread is what would Jones need to show them to be unequivocally out of the race by March 5th.
In the event you've lost track of how to move along from threads you don't want to participate in, I've highlighted in red the back button conveniently located in the top left-hand corner of your browser.
And yet here you are discussing it.
You've never really addressed this question, and I am just dying to know the answer. I beg this of you. When you engage in conversations you don't want to be in, this is like the result of a spell or forced behavior?
Have you been kidnapped? Maybe by a witch? Should we call for help?
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It IS way too early for this kind of discussion.
And yet here you are discussing it.
You've never really addressed this question, and I am just dying to know the answer. I beg this of you. When you engage in conversations you don't want to be in, this is like the result of a spell or forced behavior?
Have you been kidnapped? Maybe by a witch? Should we call for help?
Maybe because I feel like the adult in the room and would like to see the discussion come back to you know like reality. Maybe the bigger question is why do you feel the need to continue to start threads that are best monumentally premature or at worst kind of stupid, irrelevant and inconsequential.
So, it's not kidnapping or witchcraft, it's thread policing, got it.
How about this, and I'll throw in a tootsie pop for you if you can be a good little boy. In the second column you'll see a label that says "Started By."
If you see the handle christian, just go ahead and skip. This way you don't accidentally find yourself participating in discussions you don't want to be in.
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It IS way too early for this kind of discussion.
And yet here you are discussing it.
You've never really addressed this question, and I am just dying to know the answer. I beg this of you. When you engage in conversations you don't want to be in, this is like the result of a spell or forced behavior?
Have you been kidnapped? Maybe by a witch? Should we call for help?
Maybe because I feel like the adult in the room and would like to see the discussion come back to you know like reality. Maybe the bigger question is why do you feel the need to continue to start threads that are best monumentally premature or at worst kind of stupid, irrelevant and inconsequential.
I must have missed when Eric made you arbiter of what should be discussed here on BBI. If you don't like the threads Christian posts, ignore them and start your own.
Maybe because I feel like the adult in the room and would like to see the discussion come back to you know like reality. Maybe the bigger question is why do you feel the need to continue to start threads that are best monumentally premature or at worst kind of stupid, irrelevant and inconsequential.
I must have missed when Eric made you arbiter of what should be discussed here on BBI. If you don't like the threads Christian posts, ignore them and start your own.
It's a deeply weird behavior I just don't get.
It's like walking into a store and letting the clerk know you don't like what the sell and won't be buying it.
I imagine it stems from some kind of weird need to control others. The payoff from controlling me, some random dude on the internet who is chatting about football, must be very rewarding.
1. Rumors of neck issues impacting his throwing motion
2. He tore his ACL
3. When he played he was horrendous
4. Taylor and DeVito made him look like the third best QB on the team
And yet, after an offseason that saw Kirk Cousins become an FA and one of the strongest QB draft classes in years, Jones is here.
Next year's FA class probably won't have a Cousins in it, the draft class is expected to be weaker, and Jones is going to cost less.
So why would the Giants not bring him back in 2025?
Wrong on Cousins. The Falcons drafted their future QB this year. Cousins is their starter and will help with the training wheels for the new kid. Cousins is not going to sit the bench next year so he will leave for a starting job.
Next is Russell Wilson. He will be available and possibly before the end of this season.
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But, this conversation is WAAAAAAY too early. The time to have it is November, at the earliest. He could be injured, or benched, or the rest of the team could look awful, again.
In the event you've lost track of how to move along from threads you don't want to participate in, I've highlighted in red the back button conveniently located in the top left-hand corner of your browser.
Why the snark?
I did participate.
I did not tell anyone they should, or should not, have the conversation.
I merely commented that it is too early for the conversation, after having given my views on the QB situation.
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But, this conversation is WAAAAAAY too early. The time to have it is November, at the earliest. He could be injured, or benched, or the rest of the team could look awful, again.
In the event you've lost track of how to move along from threads you don't want to participate in, I've highlighted in red the back button conveniently located in the top left-hand corner of your browser.
Why the snark?
I did participate.
I did not tell anyone they should, or should not, have the conversation.
I merely commented that it is too early for the conversation, after having given my views on the QB situation.
I apologize, that was uncalled for.
I think they will upgrade; but i think some of you don’t understand that it’s not
always all or nothing. they are addressing a team with massive flaws; mostly trigerred by one faulty assumption after another between 2016-2021.
Jones is most likely a lower end starter. not a horrendous backup; also not a top 10 qb whose situation has failed him. Giants may strike with right pick in
25 and cut him. They may sign a free agent and move on. We don’t know.
i don’t think the op is being fair; i don’t think nyg is in full bloom love they are going to address team as makes sense.
If nyg stink this year and draft early they will almost
certainly take a qb and move on. if they are midpack they may have to figure out how to draft or acquire a competitor more creatively.’
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Who is not that much better, really.
See, this is why many think the DJFC have lost their damn minds.
This why idiots permeate BBI. I want Jones gone and have for quite awhile. But if you put Jones on the Vikings and put Cousins behind the Giants offense, the numbers likely flip.
Is Cousins better? Like I said, somewhat.
If nyg stink this year and draft early they will almost
certainly take a qb and move on. if they are midpack they may have to figure out how to draft or acquire a competitor more creatively.’
I don't they are full bloom in love with him. I think the economics make it very intriguing that they may keep him as a bridge.
Isn't he the 12th highest paid?