NFT: ⚾Mets @ Pirates Series - Games 1-4 ⚾Gm 1- 6:40 pm EDT start⚾

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NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (July) - DanMetroMan - 7/1/2024 10:17 am


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NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am

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Pitching catchup tonight. Should be a quick hame

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Mets @ Pirates | 6:40 pm EDT start - July 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 6:40 pm EDT start - July 5, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 5, 2024 - 6:40 pm EDT start


Note: Ron isn’t calling the game tonight.


Enjoy tonight's game 😊

Have any of you guys ever been there?

To watch a game. The park and view is top notch

In comment 16548768 ripdumaine said:

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To watch a game. The park and view is top notch

I'd love to go there. Amazing view and the park sounds like a lot of fun. The Pirates used to be such an important franchise. It'd be nice for baseball if they were again. Skenes is a frikkin stud already.

Props to him.

peaked and is now in the process of plummeting back to earth.

mcneil hitting a homer on a 99mph skenes fb was not on my bingo card. i know sevy coughed the lead up but this freaking bp man.

He should get a shot coming out of the pen before half these clowns.

In comment 16548768 ripdumaine said:

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To watch a game. The park and view is top notch

Amazing that they could build a ballpark without obstructed view seats.

is simply astonishing.

Up. Adcock down. Not sure why we didn't just bring him up last week but he we are. Let's hope he can lock down some of these middle innings. Maybe Sulser and Walker should be up next. Wilkins Ramos in a month if he does well in AAA.

Looking at his numbers actually not expecting here much either unless Hefner can unlock something.

Righties (7):
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2) Garrett
3) Núñez
4) Ottavino
5) Orze
6) Houser
7) Buttó


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8) Diekman

1) Severino (RHP)
2) Scott (RHP)
3) Peterson (LHP)
4) Manaea (LHP)
5) Quintana (LHP)

It looks like the Mets will go to a 6-man rotation when Senga comes back in about a month based on some rumors I've read.

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Righties (7): 1) Díaz 2) Garrett 3) Núñez 4) Ottavino 5) Orze 6) Houser 7) Buttó Lefites (1): 8) Diekman

Factor in Sean Reid-Foley into this equation somewhere after the All-Star Break too. Ottavino might be the odd man out when he's back. The only thing saving Diekman now is that he's the only lefty in the BP. The Mets need to do something about him ASAP.

I was browsing the comments section in one of the recent MetsMerizedOnline.com articles and saw that the club is expecting SRF back after the ASB, but I don't know why. Was his injury that bad (right shoulder impingement)?

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Notes:
-Today’s game will be on SNY as will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for today's game at PNC Park is expected to be excellent. Click HERE to keep updated and see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-Edwin Diaz returns from his ten-game suspension today. Click HERE to read about it. The Mets went 5-5 during that time without him (while being a man down in the bullpen). They’ve lost three in a row & are currently in 3rd place in the N.L. East, two games ahead of the 4th place Nationals (click HERE to see). They’re also 3.5 games behind the Cardinals for the 3rd & final Wildcard spot in the National League, with a game in hand on them (click HERE to see). After yesterday’s loss (their third in a row) the Mets are only half a game ahead of the Pirates in the N.L. standings, making this series one between close competitors for that final playoff spot.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Alvarez (R), McNeil (L), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L).

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Mets @ Pirates | 4:05 pm EDT start - July 6, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 4:05 pm EDT start - July 6, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 6, 2024 - 4:05 pm EDT start


Note: Ron isn’t calling the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊

nobody out. good time to give pitt some of their own medicine.

not such a fun series so far.

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very good. reasonably bold choice to keep him over nido too since nido is a good glove.

Like Butto.

Assume he'll be in the rotation next year, right?

through first half he has been gold glove level. he's been upper 90th percentile oaa all year (98th percentile heading into today) but recently he's made a lot of key plays when needed.

that he’s turning back into a pumpkin. He has never been a good RP and it’s clear now that he had a horseshoe up his rear for the first quarter of the season.

The dude can’t throw strikes. And that’s with two gifts from the ump that weren’t even close.

Has been phenomenal!

And yes, Nunez has been great too.

Nunez gotta be the set-up guy moving forward.

1 game under with 8 games until the break.
just 2 more on the road then 6 at home vs WASH/COL.

gotta get over .500 and then not look back. getting close to Senga time too.

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1 game under with 8 games until the break. just 2 more on the road then 6 at home vs WASH/COL. gotta get over .500 and then not look back. getting close to Senga time too.

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In comment 16549138 JayBinQueens said:

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Like Butto. Assume he'll be in the rotation next year, right?

He's a keeper. He's a starter, but the Mets are desperate now and need him as a longman in the pen. He should be in the rotation next season full-time, if not here, than in a trade with another club.

straightened out.

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straightened out.

lol, Diaz returning does not “straighten out” our BP in the least bit.

In comment 16549203 CooperDash said:

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In comment 16549188 Ira said: Quote: straightened out. lol, Diaz returning does not “straighten out” our BP in the least bit.

With Diaz the pen is a mess. Without him it's a dumpster fire.

slider was pretty normal in his range though up a bit from his prior outing.



but hey, he passed the feel test!

Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be on SNY as will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for today's game at PNC Park is expected to be excellent again, with mid-day real feel heat being more of a factor. Click HERE to keep updated and see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-The Mets broke a three-game losing streak yesterday with their bullpen throwing 4 & 2/3 innings of scoreless ball, including Diaz closing it out with his 8th save of the season. They’re currently in 3rd place in the N.L. East, still two games ahead of the 4th place Nationals (click HERE to see). They’re also 2.5 games behind the Cardinals for the 3rd & final Wildcard spot in the National League, with a game in hand on them (click HERE to see). The Mets are a game & a half ahead of the Pirates in the N.L. standings in the race for that final playoff spot.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Taylor (R), Bader (R), & Gamel (L).

In comment 16549289 Rob in Rockaway said:

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In comment 16549203 CooperDash said: Quote: In comment 16549188 Ira said: Quote: straightened out. lol, Diaz returning does not “straighten out” our BP in the least bit. With Diaz the pen is a mess. Without him it's a dumpster fire.

I wondered what the actual #'s are in terms of where the bull-pen stands compared to other teams?

Easy to say it's a mess, but I know I tend to react when things go badly, and hardly notice the good days...like yesterday when the BP put up 4 plus scoreless innings....

So, I just checked and the Mets are 16th in the majors (30 teams) for ERA (4.00), 17th in # of saves, 21st in WHIP...they are lower in # of walks 5th from the bottom, or highest amount.

So, the #'s suggest the Mets are a bit below average in terms of their bull pen.

but I suspect that over the last 30 games or so, our BP stats are right near the bottom of the league.

Earlier in the season the Mets had one of the top rated BP's. Lowest ERA and that was with Diaz having a temporary regression. Lopez, Garret & Raley were the anchors.

what has occurred since then is directly responsible for why the Bullpen is all of sudden "a mess"

Raley/Smith out for the season, Lopez/Tonkin DFA, SRF on rehab, Diaz struggles.

That leaves Diekman and Garret, who have been totally overexposed and overworked. I see people slamming the shit out of them daily, its not like they have suddenly forgot how to pitch.

Honestly, I really get sick of people always trying to find someone to blame, where there is not one person who should take the blame. There should be no blame, its just the cause and effect in baseball.

That said, Diaz looked good last night, bats are still hot. An for the record I'm not 100% sold still on if we should not sell at the deadline. Phillies are a powerhouse and the return for sellers will be franchise altering.

Rant over.

TThat's good information danny. But that bullpen has had a revolving door since the start of the season. Some of the pitchers in that pen were not Major League arms.

I'd like to see a comparison of the number of different pitchers in each team's BP. I don't know if that stat is readily available....but it might provide some additional context.

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Mets @ Pirates | 1:35 pm EDT start - July 7, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Keith (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 1:35 pm EDT start - July 7, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 7, 2024 - 1:35 pm EDT start


Note: Ron isn’t calling the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊

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Did Gary just say that Manaea's ERA with Alvarez is 1.56 and his ERA with other catchers being 3.56? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

In comment 16549342 Named Later said:

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TThat's good information danny. But that bullpen has had a revolving door since the start of the season. Some of the pitchers in that pen were not Major League arms. I'd like to see a comparison of the number of different pitchers in each team's BP. I don't know if that stat is readily available....but it might provide some additional context.

I just did a quick search for MLB bullpen rankings and the site I referred to didn't have the more sophisticated stats, including one I was hoping to find...blown saves.

The thought that the BP has gotten worse, especially after Raley, SRF and Smith (who gets killed here) were injured, is no doubt accurate.

But, I bet they are still middle of the pack overall....

into a very expensive Joe McEwing, lol.

He could've helped. Instead, he's injured and missing the year :-(

In comment 16549348 Optimus-NY said:

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Did Gary just say that Manaea's ERA with Alvarez is 1.56 and his ERA with other catchers being 3.56? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The whole staff has a better era w Alvarez

In comment 16549355 JayBinQueens said:

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In comment 16549348 Optimus-NY said: Quote: Did Gary just say that Manaea's ERA with Alvarez is 1.56 and his ERA with other catchers being 3.56? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. The whole staff has a better era w Alvarez

between alvarez' and vientos' defense i dont think im ever trusting another defensive scouting report.

conforto and alonso going from "dh-only" to generally fine was one thing, hard to imagine getting more premium positions so wrong.

In comment 16549348 Optimus-NY said:

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Did Gary just say that Manaea's ERA with Alvarez is 1.56 and his ERA with other catchers being 3.56? Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Someone from MMO gave me these numbers:

Alvarez: 1.56
Narvaez: 5.60
Nido: 3.62
Torrens: 14.73

In comment 16549341 Rory said:

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Earlier in the season the Mets had one of the top rated BP's. Lowest ERA and that was with Diaz having a temporary regression. Lopez, Garret & Raley were the anchors. what has occurred since then is directly responsible for why the Bullpen is all of sudden "a mess" Raley/Smith out for the season, Lopez/Tonkin DFA, SRF on rehab, Diaz struggles. That leaves Diekman and Garret, who have been totally overexposed and overworked. I see people slamming the shit out of them daily, its not like they have suddenly forgot how to pitch. Honestly, I really get sick of people always trying to find someone to blame, where there is not one person who should take the blame. There should be no blame, its just the cause and effect in baseball. That said, Diaz looked good last night, bats are still hot. An for the record I'm not 100% sold still on if we should not sell at the deadline. Phillies are a powerhouse and the return for sellers will be franchise altering. Rant over.

Everyone is welcome to feel however they want to feel - but we dont have to agree with each other. I’m not going to get crazy and praiseworthy because our Bullpen was good for the first quarter of the season. I remember there being a lot of concern about the bullpen going into the season - so a lucky start to the season doesn’t change any of that.

Looking at it as “cause and effect baseball” is oversimplifying it because you don’t like what the other side says. Yes, we’ve had some injuries. But - we’ve also created our own mess by bringing in the RPs that we did. Dieckman, Ottavino, Tonkin (twice), Festa, Jay, Hartwig, Smith, Walker, Rodriguez, Sulser, Adcock. All bad. Even Garrett - as good as he was early on - is crashing down to earth (even if some want to point to workload - though he’s never been a quality pitcher in his career). That’s not a small number of options to choose from - and we’ve given a number of games away because of that.

Dieckman? Sure he had a good year last year but have you seen the years prior that? What did expect signing a mediocre 37 year old RP come off a career year. No, I don’t think his struggles are the result of being overworked. Garrett? Same thing, just not as old. They haven’t been “exposed”. They just aren’t good pitchers.

So, yes - if a struggling RP comes in and walks the park to lose the game or give up a lead, I’m not going to say “aw shucks, get him next time champ”. Part of being a fan. Nor am I’m going to go easy on Stearns for the BP he built. Or why he would call Festa up when there may have been other options to use. Or why some of these guys are in the system anyway. M

Sorry it bothers you.

and that answer is patience because there's a lot that's unknown and distorted by small sample as all RP are.

is diaz the elite diaz he's paid to be who just had some struggles off a major injury? or not? if not it's nobody's fault and only so much that can be done. there arent any edwin diaz' out there to add easily.

is garrett regressing just bc he was overworked or is there something deeper?

is nunez for real?

are otto/diekman totally cooked?

remember there was a lot of impatient clamoring for tonkin to get DFA'd (myself included) and some stronger labeling him as a bad signing. that argument hits a little different with him carrying a 2.25 era in the bronx over 31 innings?

they obviously need to get these assessments right and add from the outside to replace both what they've lose to injury and whatever they judge to not be part of the solution going forward. but getting those assessments right probably requires some level patience.

makes me pine for Vogelfat.

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piece of garbage still in the major leagues? If Bader can come in as a defensive replacement, he can surely play and keep Stewart on the bench.

they took Manaea out after 90 or so pitches. He was dominant.

JFC

game and throw 4 straight balls?

followed by a hanging slider. Honestly, Diaz has killed us so far this year. Hope he has a better 2nd half.

But why do you throw the same relievers today that you used yesterday?

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But why do you throw the same relievers today that you used yesterday?

oh come on ottovino has been cooked all year. we have talked about DFA'ing him for weeks.

Nunez has been stepping up and he stepped up today.

They went with a very rested Diaz in a winnable situation and he didnt get it done. sometimes it is that simple.

Plays the hero.

huge go ahead 2 out hit. great piece of hitting.

both sides out in Pittsburgh. Chapman still throws hard but can’t locate his off speed stuff anymore with any consistency and movement on his fastball is still too hittable.

He doesn't have it today. Not a fan of Otto either, but I think he gives us a better chance to win this game. Make no mistake about it, this IS a BIG game.

In comment 16549407 Optimus-NY said:

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He doesn't have it today. Not a fan of Otto either, but I think he gives us a better chance to win this game. Make no mistake about it, this IS a BIG game.

I think Mendy gives Diaz a batter here and goes batter by batter hoping to get a confidence injection.

doing Chappie.

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huge go ahead 2 out hit. great piece of hitting.

He's come alive ever since they put him at leadoff. Glad to see him come back from his rough start. HUGE hit by him.

In comment 16549407 Optimus-NY said:

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He doesn't have it today. Not a fan of Otto either, but I think he gives us a better chance to win this game. Make no mistake about it, this IS a BIG game.

I agree. I'm not confident in Ottovino, but Diaz doesn't seem to have it tonight.

But Stearns too. Who would have thought come July 4th weekend they’d be .500 from a month ago?

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Following great ABs by Alvarez and Iglesias. Diaz, maybe he can get it together. We're going nowhere if he doesn't.

In comment 16549408 Sammo85 said:

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In comment 16549407 Optimus-NY said: Quote: He doesn't have it today. Not a fan of Otto either, but I think he gives us a better chance to win this game. Make no mistake about it, this IS a BIG game. I think Mendy gives Diaz a batter here and goes batter by batter hoping to get a confidence injection.

I think you were right. Smart way to approach it by our manager. Props to him. Covered all bases, no pun intended!

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Same here Ira. Happy to see Edwin make me eat my words. BIG win!

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But Stearns too. Who would have thought come July 4th weekend they’d be .500 from a month ago?

agreed and would add mendoza in the mix. stearns stayed the course, and has so far proven pretty smart in hiring mendoza who has been aligned with stearns even through some real low lows.

diaz is the most important player on this roster. he was probably the single most important player in 2022 also. if they get that version of him they can compete, especially if senga comes back strong.

they need to dump gamel or DJ and give acuna a shot. eventually iglesias will fade, he is 34 and likely better as a bench player. he has made some big plays defensively but it hasnt graded well. the plays hes made are showing the kind of impact athleticism/defense at 2b can have. this roster could also use a fast guy for late game situations.

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finish the season tied for the third W.C. spot, the Mets would win the tie-breaker since they beat them head-to-head in the season series 3 games to 2 (they're done playing each other for 2024 during the regular season).

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Incorrect. They play a makeup game in St. Louis in August.

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In comment 16549425 Optimus-NY said: Quote: Incorrect. They play a makeup game in St. Louis in August.

Ah, thanks for the correction! Just saw that. August 5th at 5:15 pm ET in the Loooo(u), lol.

The Mets play in the afternoon in Flushing against the Rockies and then the All-Star Break (4 days) takes place from the 15th to 18th.

Here's a Mock Draft from MLB.com:

Latest mock: Just over a week out, who will go No. 1 in '24 Draft? | July 4th, 2024 | Jonathan Mayo @JonathanMayo

Here's who the author of the article linked above has the Mets taking at #19 overall:

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19. Mets: Slade Caldwell, OF, Valley View HS, Ark. (No. 27) This has long been another college hitter landing spot, and they still could consider hitters like Mississippi State’s Dakota Jordan or Kansas State’s Kaelen Culpepper, but there’s more buzz that things might be leaning toward high school hitting, with Caldwell joining prep shortstops like Theo Gillen or Kellon Lindsey atop their board. Caldwell might only be 5-foot-9, but the Mets haven’t shied away from undersized prep bats in the past (see Williams, Jett).

The Mets game that day starts at 1:40 pm ET, so for the die hards out there, they'll have time to pay attention to both.

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When is the 2024 MLB Draft? The 2024 MLB Draft will take place on July 14-16 in conjunction with the MLB All-Star Game at Globe Life Field. The opening rounds will begin at 7 p.m. ET on July 14, with the remainder of the draft beginning at 12 p.m. ET on July 15 and July 16.

2024 MLB Draft order, date: Every pick for Round 1, Competitive Balance Round A | Updated Jun. 27, 2024 2:55 p.m. ET - ( New Window )

We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the big club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am


*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am

We'll be doing one each month for the rest of the season. It'll be easier to consolidate info this way and for everyone to be able to follow along any news and information centering around the big club's various affiliates.


NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (July) - DanMetroMan - 7/1/2024 10:17 am


*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:

NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am

NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm

NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am

got robbed for AS. Alonso makes it for the Mets.

ELDC and Abrams make it at SS.

for now, I guess. not sure if there are more additions.

In comment 16549454 pjcas18 said:

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got robbed for AS. Alonso makes it for the Mets. ELDC and Abrams make it at SS. for now, I guess. not sure if there are more additions.

Nimmo robbed as well.

is Alonso our All-Star? He's been average at best offensively and below average defensively. Should have been Lindor or Nimmo. Maybe it'll increase Alonso's trade value. They need to trade this guy at the deadline because there is no chance they're gonna resign him. Don't make the same mistake the G-Men made with Barkley.

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defensive players this year regardless of position. that should basically invalidate anyone who plays a premium position unless they are far and away better offensively.



kind of dont care too much, i dont mind the players getting extra rest and hopefully it gets them even more fired up for the 2nd half.

Would love to see a big time start from Scott today and we take 3 of 4 from Pitt. Let's get to multiple games over .500 going into the ASB.

In comment 16549520 Eric on Li said:

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defensive players this year regardless of position. that should basically invalidate anyone who plays a premium position unless they are far and away better offensively. kind of dont care too much, i dont mind the players getting extra rest and hopefully it gets them even more fired up for the 2nd half.

I think each team has at least one, so perhaps Abrams was deemed the best option for the Nats?

In comment 16549643 dannysection 313 said:

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In comment 16549520 Eric on Li said: Quote: defensive players this year regardless of position. that should basically invalidate anyone who plays a premium position unless they are far and away better offensively. kind of dont care too much, i dont mind the players getting extra rest and hopefully it gets them even more fired up for the 2nd half. I think each team has at least one, so perhaps Abrams was deemed the best option for the Nats?

They could have gone with Gore or Irvin as well but all close.

Alonso over Christian Walker is a joke though.

I wonder if Mets let Alonso go and sign Walker as his replacement even though he's older. Insane defensive 1B and his bat has really come along the last 2 years. He should be cheaper as well.

In comment 16549643 dannysection 313 said:

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In comment 16549520 Eric on Li said: Quote: defensive players this year regardless of position. that should basically invalidate anyone who plays a premium position unless they are far and away better offensively. kind of dont care too much, i dont mind the players getting extra rest and hopefully it gets them even more fired up for the 2nd half. I think each team has at least one, so perhaps Abrams was deemed the best option for the Nats?

that's probably it, though lindor should have been it for mets > alonso. christian walker has a better case for 1b than alonso.

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Notes:
-Today’s game will be on SNY as will tomorrow’s game.
-The weather for today's game at PNC Park is expected to be fine, with mid-day real feel heat being a factor again, even more so than yesterday afternoon’s game. Click HERE to keep updated and see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-The Mets are back at .500 again (44-44) & came back to win yesterday for the 24th time this season, which is the second-most in MLB to date. They’re still 2.5 games behind the Cardinals for the 3rd & final Wildcard spot in the National League, with a game in hand on them (click HERE to see). The Mets are 2.5 games ahead of the Pirates in the N.L. standings in the race for that final playoff spot & are going for a series victory today. They’re 5-1 against them this season. They’ve already won the overall season series in what will be the final game of the season against them today. They’re 4-3 on this road trip so far & won’t be on the road again after today’s game until July 19th in Miami, in what’ll be the very first game back after the All-Star break.

-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Martinez (R), Taylor (R), Stewart (L), & Gamel (L).

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Mets @ Pirates | 12:35 pm EDT start - July 8, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – SNY: Gary & Blevins (strfish.xyz)

Mets @ Pirates | 12:35 pm EDT start - July 8, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Pirates' feed – SportsNet-PIT (strfish.xyz)

MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets @ Pirates – July 8, 2024 - 12:35 pm EDT start


Note: Keith & Ron aren’t calling the game today.


Enjoy today's game 😊

Pitchers duel through first 3.

In comment 16549748 GF1080 said:

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Pitchers duel through first 3.

These early afternoon games often seem to be low scoring affairs/pitchers' games.

In comment 16549750 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 16549748 GF1080 said: Quote: Pitchers duel through first 3. These early afternoon games often seem to be low scoring affairs/pitchers' games.

Monday 1230 is a weird one.

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In comment 16549750 Optimus-NY said: Quote: In comment 16549748 GF1080 said: Quote: Pitchers duel through first 3. These early afternoon games often seem to be low scoring affairs/pitchers' games. Monday 1230 is a weird one.

Too much odd man, too much odd! It's hotter than a muhfugga too on the field and in the park there today as well. Poor kids, vacationers, and retirees in the stands.

Ties it! 2 run HR on 3-0 count.

BIG TIME 2-run homer there to tie it up here in the top of the 6th!

Scott's only thrown 57 pitches so far and Keller's thrown 75. The Real Feel temperature is 101. I wonder how much it is on the field? I remember mid-summer games on the artificial turf in St. Louis during the day used to be like playing on an oven-like surface.

Scott had thrown 67 pitches headed to the bottom of the 6th, not 57. Just saw that.

Mathew Brownstein
@MBrownstein89 · 9m

Of Brandon Nimmo's 14 homers this season, 8 have tied the game or given the @Mets the lead.

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is starting to irk me with his pitch count bullshit.

well thats the game

Mendoza.

In comment 16549794 Maggot Brain said:

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is starting to irk me with his pitch count bullshit.

Mendoza doesn't make "pitch count" decisions. Those sorts of decisions come from Hefner and Jagers.

almost certainly wasn't pulled due to pitch counts anyway. Rather, they liked the matchup of Orze vs. a lefty. Clearly, ended up not being a good call but he threw 99 pitches last time out and routinely allowed to throw 90+ with Syracuse. This looked like a bad tactical mistake, nothing more.

is replacement level or worse.

A few complete bullpen meltdowns per week and the lineup cooling off and the Mets are looking like the .500 club that their record says.

But even if a bad decision your bullpen should be able to record one stinking out without giving up 5 runs in a tied game. At some point we will have folks doing the historically bad comparisons with this group.

the Mets bullpen is nowhere near the worst in baseball. Coming into today they ranked

-18th in fWAR
-15th in FIP
-15th in era
-2nd in K/9
-26th in BB/9

In comment 16549802 DanMetroMan said:

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almost certainly wasn't pulled due to pitch counts anyway. Rather, they liked the matchup of Orze vs. a lefty. Clearly, ended up not being a good call but he threw 99 pitches last time out and routinely allowed to throw 90+ with Syracuse. This looked like a bad tactical mistake, nothing more.

Gary made it seem like it was a pitch count thing but not sure if he knew that or was insinuating.

Just a general comment here and not directed at you but a terrible spot to give Orze his first game action. Mendoza is boxed in with the pen though. Only 1 outing but I'm not too impressed with Orze.

like Orze was squeezed

not defending Mendoza's decision, but a few pitches called differently and/or Tellez not having a bleeder get through...this wasn't exactly a rocket
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bringing in anyone to pitch. It was a rough spot for Orze.

P.S. The more I see from Houser--even in a long relief role--the less I wanna see him at all. He's 31 and a free agent after the year (see contract details HERE). He's out of options too if I recall. I'd make some changes to the pen sooner rather than later. I'd move Megill to Houser's role very soon & bring up lefty Gage for Orze after today. Go after FA-to-be lefty reliever Tanner Scott from the Fish too soon.

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I'm not defending Orze, or even suggesting he's a major piece of the future but I don't think that was a great spot for his debut and I think he had some bad "luck" go against him.

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not defending Mendoza's decision, but a few pitches called differently and/or Tellez not having a bleeder get through...this wasn't exactly a rocket Link - ( New Window )

For sure. I am WFH today so was watching game. I just wan't impressed with his CU today and his numbers at AAA leave a lot to be desired. A low 90's FB with a CU in the mid 80's won't get it done in a MLB pen IMO. He was hitting 95 today but that doesn't seem like the norm. Hope I am wrong.

isn't particularly unusual for Orze. When I've watched him in Syracuse he's 93-96 usually. Can't say I recall him throwing much harder than that but usually 93-95 with a plus CU with heavy drop to it.

most recently

" Orze, at Syracuse, has a plus-plus changeup and struggles to throw strikes."

" Eric Orze sits 95 mph, has a plus changeup, and struggles to throw strikes. "

to expand on pitch counts, the manager has very little input there. Hefner, in conjunction with Jagers, and more likely than not Stearns map out a usage plan (particularly with prospects). You can bet your ass if it's up to Mendoza he's riding Scott vs. going with Eric Orze. Most bullpen decisions are a groupthink situation and largely mapped out prior to the game. That's not to say they don't adjust but the days of a manager just going with his gut are gone and that's true of 100% teams in baseball right down to Bruce Bochy.

it was indeed pitch count and it was decided before the game (again, likely Hefner/Jagers/Stearns with Mendoza likely not having much input)

Mike Puma
@NYPost_Mets
Carlos Mendoza said it was decided before the game to keep Christian Scott to 75 pitches because he threw 99 last time and was on four days’ rest.

The Marlins announced their status as deadline sellers more than two months ago with their surprising early trade of Luis Arraez, and with the trade deadline now just 22 days away, their activity on that front should pick back up. While much of the focus has been on closer Tanner Scott, who’s a free agent at season’s end, Craig Mish of SportsGrid and the Miami Herald reports that there’s a “growing belief” Jazz Chisholm Jr. will also be traded. Mish lists the Mariners as a “club to watch” if Chisholm is moved and also suggests the Pirates and Royals could join the bidding.

In comment 16549833 DanMetroMan said:

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isn't particularly unusual for Orze. When I've watched him in Syracuse he's 93-96 usually. Can't say I recall him throwing much harder than that but usually 93-95 with a plus CU with heavy drop to it.

That's what I get for listening to the booth then. They said 95 was high for him he usually sits low 90s.

In comment 16549839 DanMetroMan said:

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to expand on pitch counts, the manager has very little input there. Hefner, in conjunction with Jagers, and more likely than not Stearns map out a usage plan (particularly with prospects). You can bet your ass if it's up to Mendoza he's riding Scott vs. going with Eric Orze. Most bullpen decisions are a groupthink situation and largely mapped out prior to the game. That's not to say they don't adjust but the days of a manager just going with his gut are gone and that's true of 100% teams in baseball right down to Bruce Bochy.

+1

In comment 16549846 GF1080 said:

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In comment 16549833 DanMetroMan said: Quote: isn't particularly unusual for Orze. When I've watched him in Syracuse he's 93-96 usually. Can't say I recall him throwing much harder than that but usually 93-95 with a plus CU with heavy drop to it. That's what I get for listening to the booth then. They said 95 was high for him he usually sits low 90s.

I was curious what the statcast readings were so I looked... his last 5 outings coming into today were June 22nd, June 27th June 29th, July 2nd and July 5th. July 5th he threw 1 single FB (13 total pitches) (94.2) (not much help), July 2nd he thew 3 FB's (94, 94, 93.2) and June 29th 5 FB's ranging from 93.3 to 93.8, June 27th 2 FB's 94.2 and 94.3 and June 22nd 3 FB's 93.4, 93.6 and 95.2 and today FB ranged from 93.8-94.6, so yeah, he's not a huge velocity guy but 93-95 is his norm.

confirms it was an organizational decision.


John Harper
@NYNJHarper
Mendoza said it was an organizational decision to limit to Scott to 75 pitches, had to pull him even though he was "in complete control." I get wanting to protect Scott but as so many pitchers have told me, non-stress innings make those pre-determined decisions too arbitrary.

dian and nunez pitched 2 games in a row, reed garrett also i believe.

and even with those 3 pitching it was hard to get those last 2 wins.

sucks and frustrating, but i think they know they need to keep fixing the bp.

figure Fujinami is going to be an option shortly, Montes De Oca might eventually be one as well. Kinda surprised there hasn't been any talk of moving Hamel to the bullpen yet.

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the Mets bullpen is nowhere near the worst in baseball. Coming into today they ranked -18th in fWAR -15th in FIP -15th in era -2nd in K/9 -26th in BB/9

They walk a ton of batters. This is their biggest problem. This would actually be a pretty decent bullpen if it weren’t for the walks. The walks are just absolute killers for relief pitchers. They do strike out a ton of batters though.

In comment 16549957 CooperDash said:

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In comment 16549809 DanMetroMan said: Quote: the Mets bullpen is nowhere near the worst in baseball. Coming into today they ranked -18th in fWAR -15th in FIP -15th in era -2nd in K/9 -26th in BB/9 They walk a ton of batters. This is their biggest problem. This would actually be a pretty decent bullpen if it weren’t for the walks. The walks are just absolute killers for relief pitchers. They do strike out a ton of batters though.

yeah and this was a flaw of construction. they saved money by signing guys like diekman and otto - who are good when they dont walk people but too often that's not the case. otto is actually slightly under his career rate (3 vs 4 per 9) but diekman is way over his (7 vs 5 per 9).

the younger/less proven guys in high leverage walking people is to be expected - thats why they should have signed at least 1 more guy with experience in high leverage.

In comment 16549864 Eric on Li said:

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dian and nunez pitched 2 games in a row, reed garrett also i believe. and even with those 3 pitching it was hard to get those last 2 wins. sucks and frustrating, but i think they know they need to keep fixing the bp.

this was my point yesterday.

They would be 10 games over 500 if the bullpen just held 30% of the games they had a late inning lead and would be 18 games over if they held 50%. I guess the stats are showing they aren’t the worst but I struggle to think of much worse in late innings.

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They would be 10 games over 500 if the bullpen just held 30% of the games they had a late inning lead and would be 18 games over if they held 50%. I guess the stats are showing they aren’t the worst but I struggle to think of much worse in late innings.

in may they were the worst but in april they were one of the best. that averages out to their average but it wasnt by being steadily mediocre. it has been jekyl/hyde.

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They would be 10 games over 500 if the bullpen just held 30% of the games they had a late inning lead and would be 18 games over if they held 50%. I guess the stats are showing they aren’t the worst but I struggle to think of much worse in late innings.

I think the Mets have had some “bad luck” in that many of the bullpens worst outings were in tied games or games where Mets had small leads. Seems like we saw a lot of games earlier in the year where the bullpen did something like 5ip 1ER and the Mets lose 7-3