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MTN-G-man : 7/8/2024 3:57 pm
My question is, Can his flaws be fixed?
Or  
MTN-G-man : 7/8/2024 4:01 pm : link
maybe I should ask can he be who we thought He’d be?
At this point, I think he'll get the chance to show improvement. I  
Ira : 7/8/2024 4:06 pm : link
hope he will, but there's no way to know for sure at this point.
If Bricillo cannot get to  
section125 : 7/8/2024 4:08 pm : link
him, then no...
May regret saying this, but it seems almost impossible for Neal  
ThomasG : 7/8/2024 4:26 pm : link
not to get better.

He may not reach fixed level or even good enough but he has to be able to move on from train-wreck status this season.

The first goal  
k2tampa : 7/8/2024 4:27 pm : link
Is to have a full year without injury.
Well Until Training Camp Starts ...  
Trainmaster : 7/8/2024 4:27 pm : link

I’m afraid not  
5BowlsSoon : 7/8/2024 4:38 pm : link
Irreparable….
Ability for Neal to show improvement  
norripe : 7/8/2024 4:51 pm : link
I think there are 3 parts to it.
One is health, he has not been fully healthy during training camp, and the season since being a Giant. Two is technique, in college he could by with his size and strength and never had to have great technique with his hands and feet. Three is attitude, we don't know how driven he is, Some just want to get by with their physical skills, while others are driven to improve every day. We should see signs by the pre-season games one way or the other. He will be given the chance to succeed or fail. If there is not significant improvement, I expect the Giants to make a move and move Elemunor there from guard.
Just a blind forecast  
dairborn : 7/8/2024 4:58 pm : link
but I think Neal starts camp on PUP list. Just a hunch from all the stuff in the spring. They said they think he will be available for camp. However, I think that's just keeping the reporters off their backs. Time will tell.
So far, another Giant whose injuries have derailed his career  
BillT : 7/8/2024 4:59 pm : link
Doesn’t mean he can’t get healthy and perform. Doesn’t mean he will get healthy and perform. Anyone who thinks they know whether he can or can’t is full of it.
Don’t you have to be on the rails at some point  
ThomasG : 7/8/2024 5:05 pm : link
to suggest you got derailed?
I am curious who will remember and be man enough to admit this….  
NJBlueTuna : 7/8/2024 5:07 pm : link
I was excited when they drafted Neal, he was the consensus stud, can’t miss, blue goose OT of the draft. Dallas, well known for being skilled/lucky at picking OTs, was known to have Neal as the top rated overall player in the draft. Life was good on draft day.

About 7 games into Neal’s rookie season, I kept seeing an alarming trend…..Neal was literally winding up on the ground. This is an enormous man, 6’7”, blew away all athletic tests, and strong as an ox. And from Alabama whom the giants have a connection with.

I think Sy, whom I greatly respect not only for his dedication and knowledge, but also for his willingness to share, gave us some warning signs in his pre-draft write up. Mostly, it was how Neal bounced around between OL spots and there would be an adjustment settling in at RT.

What I saw the first 6-8 games of Neal’s rookie season was a guy who landed on the ground more often than his measurables should indicate. Technique didn’t fix it. Keep in mind he had a full pre season program and in-season coaching from NFL level coaches.

2 years ago I said Neal was too top heavy, and literally just crumbles to the ground. I was crucified on this board, at one point almost banned, because I was stating my opinion. I would literally replay the games back to focus on Neal (I don’t have access to all-22) and what I saw was unmistakeable and not something that is corrected by coaching.

Yes, Neal has had injuries, I am hoping that is the excuse. I want him to reach his potential, but I am hoping his injuries aren’t because of his body type that are causing him the balance issues and hesitancy. Some may say a 6’7” athletic freak should be immune, dominate against anything. But he is so lean from the waist down. He is definitely NOT a dancing bear. He is built like a ripped giraffe. I don’t know if it’s his genetics or fear or becoming a Meckai Becton, but he does not have a strong immovable base to match his athletic gifts.

I would welcome Sy chiming in on this thread. I want to be wrong in the worst way.
RE: Don’t you have to be on the rails at some point  
BillT : 7/8/2024 5:09 pm : link
In comment 16549912 ThomasG said:
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to suggest you got derailed?

He started the first game of his career a rookie. Hasn’t has one full season of healthy games yet. That’s what derailed means.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/8/2024 5:17 pm : link
Well, 2024 is probably his last chance here.
Eric Flowers  
Hilary : 7/8/2024 5:24 pm : link
Eric Flowers had a fine career as a guard.
Agree with K2  
Lines of Scrimmage : 7/8/2024 5:29 pm : link
Staying healthy is key. Much better run blocker but this scheme is going to be pass heavy. Not a great fit.

If the interior is solid along with AT they can manage when/if he struggles. Helps if they run the ball a lot better so they are not as predictable and are ahead of the chains.

If they are often behind the chains and Neal (or others) struggle then they will have to leave extra blocker in which limits threats downfield. SF game was this case.
RE: Eric Flowers  
BillT : 7/8/2024 5:40 pm : link
In comment 16549922 Hilary said:
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Eric Flowers had a fine career as a guard.

Actually, he didn’t. Started one year for Washington, then one year for Miami, then back to Washington. Out of football at age 27.
RE: Ability for Neal to show improvement  
Alan W : 7/8/2024 5:51 pm : link
In comment 16549901 norripe said:
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I think there are 3 parts to it.
One is health, he has not been fully healthy during training camp, and the season since being a Giant. Two is technique, in college he could by with his size and strength and never had to have great technique with his hands and feet. Three is attitude, we don't know how driven he is, Some just want to get by with their physical skills, while others are driven to improve every day. We should see signs by the pre-season games one way or the other. He will be given the chance to succeed or fail. If there is not significant improvement, I expect the Giants to make a move and move Elemunor there from guard.

Excellent post.
I just added this on the last thread  
Tony in Tampa : 7/8/2024 5:51 pm : link
At this point, please just be serviceable. We don’t need an all pro. Just don’t get your QB killed. Be a good run blocker and we know you will need help with the faster elite DEs. Somehow try to play 10-12 gms. Try and have most of your gms where the refs don’t call your name.
Still pulling for this guy.
RE: RE: Don’t you have to be on the rails at some point  
ThomasG : 7/8/2024 6:03 pm : link
In comment 16549916 BillT said:
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In comment 16549912 ThomasG said:


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to suggest you got derailed?


He started the first game of his career a rookie. Hasn’t has one full season of healthy games yet. That’s what derailed means.


Ok, fine. No one more than me would love to see the train wreck, excuse me…train, get back on the rails.
Think he’s still going to have some problems…..  
Simms11 : 7/8/2024 6:25 pm : link
He hasn’t even been able to practice on his deficiencies this off-season?! He’s not going to automatically get better without working on his technical issues. His ability to recover has been very poor and with balance issues, he will not get that fixed without help around him IMHO.
Lets hope so.  
JerseyCityJoe : 7/8/2024 6:44 pm : link
Right now if he can get to his spot he looks like a guy falling out of an airplane. His feet stop moving and his arms are just swinging around hoping for something to hang onto. Can that be fixed? I don't know.
What if Neal isn't ready for training camp,  
barens : 7/8/2024 7:13 pm : link
and Ezeudu looks good?
RE: The first goal  
LauderdaleMatty : 7/8/2024 8:36 pm : link
In comment 16549880 k2tampa said:
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Is to have a full year without injury.


This. All the people here saying he can't play he's a bust may eventually be correct. But the kid was a consenus top level prospect. The piling on of this kid is just so BBI.

Shit how many OL have left here and been serviceable at least. Zeitler was ripped and he's been an above average OL since the day he left People hated Feliciano and he was a solid starter for the Niners.

Trusting the Giants or BBI on how good a lineman may be is like asking a crack head his opinion on international finance and investment strategies.
if the new O line coach fails with neal....  
thrunthrublue : 7/8/2024 9:30 pm : link
He'd be an impressive doorman at the Omni downtown. sure, he'd lose his balance carrying luggage but beside that...impressive.
RE: if the new O line coach fails with neal....  
Blue21 : 7/8/2024 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16550048 thrunthrublue said:
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He'd be an impressive doorman at the Omni downtown. sure, he'd lose his balance carrying luggage but beside that...impressive.
RE: What if Neal isn't ready for training camp,  
Carl in CT : 7/9/2024 7:40 am : link
In comment 16549993 barens said:
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and Ezeudu looks good?


A) don’t think he will be ready

B) just a backup. Look good? NOT NEVER!
At this point  
Biteymax22 : 7/9/2024 8:08 am : link
I think the Andrew Thomas jump is off the table, but I still think with the right coaching he can be a serviceable tackle, if not I think they'll start the process of moving him to guard mid season.

What concerns me the most is that he needs work, but can't practice. I'd feel a lot better if he had a full offseason.

As of right now I think its 50/50 we get a decent season out of him.
Of course  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 7/9/2024 8:17 am : link
his problems are fixable. He is a huge human being, incredibly strong, and a good athlete for his size. He played at an elite level in the top conference in college football.

But his confidence is clearly rattled. In the Schmeelk OL interviews, his body language was completely defensive.
RE: I am curious who will remember and be man enough to admit this….  
mfjmfj : 7/9/2024 10:36 am : link
In comment 16549914 NJBlueTuna said:
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I was excited when they drafted Neal, he was the consensus stud, can’t miss, blue goose OT of the draft. Dallas, well known for being skilled/lucky at picking OTs, was known to have Neal as the top rated overall player in the draft. Life was good on draft day.

About 7 games into Neal’s rookie season, I kept seeing an alarming trend…..Neal was literally winding up on the ground. This is an enormous man, 6’7”, blew away all athletic tests, and strong as an ox. And from Alabama whom the giants have a connection with.

I think Sy, whom I greatly respect not only for his dedication and knowledge, but also for his willingness to share, gave us some warning signs in his pre-draft write up. Mostly, it was how Neal bounced around between OL spots and there would be an adjustment settling in at RT.

What I saw the first 6-8 games of Neal’s rookie season was a guy who landed on the ground more often than his measurables should indicate. Technique didn’t fix it. Keep in mind he had a full pre season program and in-season coaching from NFL level coaches.

2 years ago I said Neal was too top heavy, and literally just crumbles to the ground. I was crucified on this board, at one point almost banned, because I was stating my opinion. I would literally replay the games back to focus on Neal (I don’t have access to all-22) and what I saw was unmistakeable and not something that is corrected by coaching.

Yes, Neal has had injuries, I am hoping that is the excuse. I want him to reach his potential, but I am hoping his injuries aren’t because of his body type that are causing him the balance issues and hesitancy. Some may say a 6’7” athletic freak should be immune, dominate against anything. But he is so lean from the waist down. He is definitely NOT a dancing bear. He is built like a ripped giraffe. I don’t know if it’s his genetics or fear or becoming a Meckai Becton, but he does not have a strong immovable base to match his athletic gifts.

I would welcome Sy chiming in on this thread. I want to be wrong in the worst way.


I was very psyched after that draft thought we got best tackle and a top tier edge rusher. now? we will see.

I am not sure what "top heavy" means. he is not top heavy from a body build point of view. The reason he ends up on the ground so often (esp. his rookie year) is that he crosses his feet. he gets beat and then rather than sliding, he chases by crossing his feet and then he hits the ground. That is all about technique. Most importantly, he has to kick step back and then power down on the inside move, rather than protecting the inside move at the expense of his outside shoulder, which he then chases. Will he correct it? Many things are easy to see on film and very difficult to fix at game speed.
How many draft picks  
HBart : 7/9/2024 10:48 am : link
Have 100% of the analysts projecting them as top 10? I don't recall a single relevant contrary opinion.

He's fixable. Some coach somewhere will ultimately help him sort it out. Hopefully that's Briscillo. Runyan said Briscillo was helping him fix technique errors that he wasn't aware of till now (also said that JMS was huge in helping him pick up the playbook). In Carm we (have to) trust.
RE: What if Neal isn't ready for training camp,  
PatersonPlank : 7/9/2024 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16549993 barens said:
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and Ezeudu looks good?


If Neal isn't ready, or doesn't look good, then I think Eluemunor is the guy not Exeudu
RE: Of course  
Angus : 7/10/2024 9:50 am : link
In comment 16550112 Eric from BBI said:
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his problems are fixable. He is a huge human being, incredibly strong, and a good athlete for his size. He played at an elite level in the top conference in college football.

But his confidence is clearly rattled. In the Schmeelk OL interviews, his body language was completely defensive.


I think you hit the nail on the head. The concern is that he needs reps to hone is technique and build that confidence.
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