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NFT: Jalen Brunson signs 4 year extension at huge discount

Strahan91 : 7/12/2024 5:00 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski
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In a largely unprecedented financial concession to give roster flexibility to a contender, New York Knicks star Jalen Brunson has agreed on a four-year, $156.5 million extension, his agent Sam Rose of CAA tells ESPN --- $113M less guaranteed than he’s eligible to receive in one…
Wow...  
moze1021 : 7/12/2024 5:04 pm : link
he really did it.

Locks him up with generational wealth and increases his chances at immortality in NY...
Really love this guy.  
aimrocky : 7/12/2024 5:07 pm : link
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Told yall in  
ajr2456 : 7/12/2024 5:08 pm : link
April
Legend.  
bceagle05 : 7/12/2024 5:09 pm : link
Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂
RE: Told yall in  
aimrocky : 7/12/2024 5:09 pm : link
In comment 16552556 ajr2456 said:
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April


Nice job ajr. We all appreciate what you bring.
Big Knick Energy nailed this one  
Anakim : 7/12/2024 5:09 pm : link
Build the statue!
RE: Told yall in  
Anakim : 7/12/2024 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16552556 ajr2456 said:
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April


And you too! Thank you!
RE: Legend.  
UConn4523 : 7/12/2024 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16552557 bceagle05 said:
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Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂


Really? lol, what did he say?
In 15 years, Dolan will be paying Brunson  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/12/2024 5:11 pm : link
10 mil per to do whatever John Starks is doing right now.

I can’t believe this.
RE: Wow...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/12/2024 5:12 pm : link
In comment 16552553 moze1021 said:
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he really did it.

Locks him up with generational wealth and increases his chances at immortality in NY...


Making less money than Scottie Barnes is crazy.

GODblesshim though.
RE: Legend.  
ajr2456 : 7/12/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16552557 bceagle05 said:
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Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂


He’ll make the money back on his next deal. It works out the same
RE: RE: Legend.  
bceagle05 : 7/12/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16552563 UConn4523 said:
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Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂



Really? lol, what did he say?

“He’s being taken advantage of.”

Who are the Knicks getting with all this flexibility?!?!”
RE: Legend.  
Matt M. : 7/12/2024 5:13 pm : link
In comment 16552557 bceagle05 said:
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Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂
I'm not listening today, but knowing him I'm assuming he is criticizing Brunson for leaving so much money on the table. That's because Kay is a greedy and selfish person, I believe.

The reality is, this deal is still more money than he will ever need in a lifetime. It also protects him long term from the potential of getting injured this season. This was floated out there about a month ago. Then when OG re-signed, it was questionable whether this would be the move because of Hartenstein. With Hartenstein off the table, the extension now came back into play.

Good for him and the Knicks.
Very likable player  
Mark from Jersey : 7/12/2024 5:14 pm : link
The city is his to take
RE: RE: Legend.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/12/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16552566 ajr2456 said:
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Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂



He’ll make the money back on his next deal. It works out the same


Maybe. Maybe not.

It’s great for the Knicks. It’s crazy for him.
RE: RE: RE: Legend.  
Anakim : 7/12/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16552567 bceagle05 said:
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In comment 16552557 bceagle05 said:


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Of course, Michael Kay is criticizing him 😂😂😂



Really? lol, what did he say?


“He’s being taken advantage of.”

Who are the Knicks getting with all this flexibility?!?!”


Taken advantage of? Maybe I missed the part where Leon Rose held a gun to Jalen Brunson's head and told him to sign. Kay is a joke.

And 156.5M to play with three of his closest buddies in the greatest city in the world. We should all be so taken advantaged of...
Exactly what he’s saying, Matt.  
bceagle05 : 7/12/2024 5:16 pm : link
Anyway, don’t want to make this a Michael Kay discussion - just happened to be listening to him when the news broke.
Does it do anything  
Carl in CT : 7/12/2024 5:18 pm : link
For us this year?
Cap  
Carl in CT : 7/12/2024 5:20 pm : link
Wise?
Randle did the same thing  
shyster : 7/12/2024 5:22 pm : link
in concept, when he took his four year deal, rather than waiting a year.

And note this:
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The deal . . . comes with a fourth-year player option, Rose said, and that would set up Brunson to recoup the $113 million on a four-year, $323 million maximum extension in 2028 or a new five-year, $418 million deal in 2029.


Brunson is both getting security now and setting himself up to make more money, ultimately, than he would on next year's deal.

Don't cry for him, Argentina. Or Michael Kay.

espn - ( New Window )
RE: Does it do anything  
Anakim : 7/12/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16552578 Carl in CT said:
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For us this year?


Indeed. No second apron!
How is this crazy for him or how is he being taken advantage of?  
Matt M. : 7/12/2024 5:27 pm : link
He had a few injuries down the stretch and in the post season that looked like they had the potential to be more serious. Hell, he just had surgery on his shooting hand. This deal gives him security now against a serious injury. It also has the ability for him to recoup a shit ton of money on the player option. He is setting himself up for a season where he doesn't have to worry with an amount that is still lifetime money and setting up a strong likelihood to make a shit ton more in a few years.
Shocking and awesome  
Heisenberg : 7/12/2024 5:35 pm : link
Build the statue
Knick fans have a hero to cheer for  
Ira : 7/12/2024 5:42 pm : link
!
Is there a more likable pro athlete in NY sports right now?  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2024 5:42 pm : link
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RE: Is there a more likable pro athlete in NY sports right now?  
Anakim : 7/12/2024 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16552593 Del Shofner said:
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Daniel Jones - John Mara
Wish there was a Knicks game tonight.  
bceagle05 : 7/12/2024 5:53 pm : link
Have to settle for some summer league tomorrow.
He's being taken advantage of?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/12/2024 6:00 pm : link
Stupidity.

Being taken advantage of would be to keep playing him on that 4 year 100m deal. Neither side had to do anything with his contract today.
Unfortunately sports talk hosts have every incentive to be provocative  
Mike from SI : 7/12/2024 6:03 pm : link
I'm happy, Jalen's happy, the Knicks are happy, and Michael Kay is not a good baseball announcer whose understudy is clearly better than he is.
does this now allow them to sign Precious and McCullar?  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2024 6:05 pm : link
It seemed like some shoe had to drop before they could be signed - maybe this was it. (I don't have the CBA expertise to figure it out myself ...)
 
Chris684 : 7/12/2024 6:06 pm : link

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
From
@wojespn
: “Brunson's study of championship organizations and franchise stars -- Patrick Mahomes’ Kansas City Chiefs, Tom Brady’s New England Patriots and the Derek Jeter New York Yankees -- gave him a blueprint for MVP-level players who structured contracts to give their teams the best chances at sustainable title runs.”
RE: does this now allow them to sign Precious and McCullar?  
nygiants16 : 7/12/2024 6:14 pm : link
In comment 16552606 Del Shofner said:
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It seemed like some shoe had to drop before they could be signed - maybe this was it. (I don't have the CBA expertise to figure it out myself ...)


His extensions doesnt really effect this year it effects future years they have plenty of room to sign Precious and Mccullar..

His extension effects if they want to acquire a player like KAT
RE: Told yall in  
Optimus-NY : 7/12/2024 6:25 pm : link
In comment 16552556 ajr2456 said:
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You did. Thanks man! Appreciate the inside scoop!
RE: does this now allow them to sign Precious and McCullar?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/12/2024 6:26 pm : link
In comment 16552606 Del Shofner said:
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It seemed like some shoe had to drop before they could be signed - maybe this was it. (I don't have the CBA expertise to figure it out myself ...)



Extension doesn't kick in until next year. Doesn't really affect anything happening today. All the maneuvering with the Bridges trade was to stay flexible in this offseason.
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Anakim : 7/12/2024 6:26 pm : link
New York Basketball
@NBA_NewYork
Scotto: "Knicks have explored adding more shooting depth…expressing interest in Davis Bertans…& Landry Shamet, league sources told HoopsHype…NY also remains intent on adding frontcourt depth…Precious Achiuwa…remains open to a return to Knicks"
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ajr2456 : 7/12/2024 6:28 pm : link
I see a lot of takes of “the union is going to be pissed”. Probably shouldn’t have agreed to the second apron then
RE: does this now allow them to sign Precious and McCullar?  
Optimus-NY : 7/12/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16552606 Del Shofner said:
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It seemed like some shoe had to drop before they could be signed - maybe this was it. (I don't have the CBA expertise to figure it out myself ...)


No. This has nothing to do with either of those two situations at all.
OK, thanks for clarifying that.  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2024 6:38 pm : link
So any guess why we haven't signed Precious and McCullar?
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DanMetroMan : 7/12/2024 6:43 pm : link

Evan Sidery
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With Jalen Brunson’s record-setting bargain extension complete, the strong expectation is Mikal Bridges will also take a discount on his upcoming new long-term deal with the Knicks.

The Villanova duo will be setting up New York to be championship contenders for years to come.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/12/2024 6:45 pm : link
I bet Eric Adams is hoping Brunson doesn't have a political itch because Brunson can do no wrong to the people of NYC.
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DanMetroMan : 7/12/2024 7:06 pm : link

Yossi Gozlan
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Mikal Bridges will also become eligible to extend for four years, $156 million starting next summer.

If he accepts, it would be another significant sub-max contract that could help further extend the Knicks window into the end of the decade.
Bobby Marks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/12/2024 7:20 pm : link
Video coming soon

by taking less

- no second apron

- more resources available in trades/FA

- Ability to keep own players

RE: OK, thanks for clarifying that.  
Optimus-NY : 7/12/2024 7:29 pm : link
In comment 16552622 Del Shofner said:
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So any guess why we haven't signed Precious and McCullar?


Could be part of a bigger deal to come. Watch this video below for the 411 (start watching at the 15:34 mark that I've got linked for you below):


KFS POD | Cap Or No Cap? (4.0) - Backup Center of Attention - Knicks Film School - July 8, 2024 - ( New Window )
Leon fucking Rose  
Sean : 7/12/2024 7:38 pm : link
Brunson is the best NY athlete since Eli.
RE: RE: OK, thanks for clarifying that.  
Stu11 : 7/12/2024 8:00 pm : link
In comment 16552655 Optimus-NY said:
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So any guess why we haven't signed Precious and McCullar?



Could be part of a bigger deal to come. Watch this video below for the 411 (start watching at the 15:34 mark that I've got linked for you below):
KFS POD | Cap Or No Cap? (4.0) - Backup Center of Attention - Knicks Film School - July 8, 2024 - ( New Window )

Saw that cast. Jeremy Cohen made an interesting point later on talking about a possible Randle extension. With the guys like Brunson & Bridges the lower extensions are very important for 2nd apron because we expect them to be here for at least 3 or 4 years. With Randle it's not as important, and in fact it might benefit us more to pay him more because if we want to trade him for a star we probably need the salary to be higher to match up the money.
Mccullar not playing in SL  
nygiants16 : 7/12/2024 8:27 pm : link
staying in NY to rehab..

Something brewing?
RE: Mccullar not playing in SL  
Optimus-NY : 7/12/2024 8:33 pm : link
In comment 16552685 nygiants16 said:
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staying in NY to rehab..

Something brewing?


If I recall correctly, he dropped in the draft due to injury issues. Polly has something to do with that I'd wager. He could be part of a trade down the line this summer too, so there's always that possibility as well.
RE: RE: Mccullar not playing in SL  
nygiants16 : 7/12/2024 8:43 pm : link
In comment 16552687 Optimus-NY said:
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staying in NY to rehab..

Something brewing?



If I recall correctly, he dropped in the draft due to injury issues. Polly has something to do with that I'd wager. He could be part of a trade down the line this summer too, so there's always that possibility as well.


Yeah he had a Knee injury
RE: RE: Is there a more likable pro athlete in NY sports right now?  
Ron Johnson : 7/12/2024 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16552597 Anakim said:
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Daniel Jones - John Mara




lol
This puts pressure on Randle  
larryflower37 : 7/12/2024 9:35 pm : link
And his FA deal this season does he take a discount to stay or go for the $$$.
Can you imagine the marketing/endorsement opportunities  
81_Great_Dane : 7/12/2024 10:11 pm : link
for Brunson if the Knicks win a title? If they went on an extended run he’d have as many deals as Steph Curry.
Jokubaitis apparently going back to…  
Mike in St. Louis : 7/12/2024 11:01 pm : link
Lithuania, according to media there…won’t be in Knicks camp…
RE: Cap  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/12/2024 11:01 pm : link
In comment 16552580 Carl in CT said:
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Wise?


It does nothing this year. The extension will kick in next year and give them flexibility to make trades, re-sign Mitch or Mikal
Brunson is going to make  
nygiants16 : 7/12/2024 11:14 pm : link
2 million more than IQ, this is insane, Knicks are going to be a top 5 team in the NBA, everybody signed and still under the 2nd apron, meanwhile teams like Boston are going to be paying insane cap penalties and start losing draft picks soon
RE: Jokubaitis apparently going back to…  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2024 11:42 pm : link
In comment 16552737 Mike in St. Louis said:
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Lithuania, according to media there…won’t be in Knicks camp…


Why am I not surprised ...
RE: RE: OK, thanks for clarifying that.  
Del Shofner : 7/12/2024 11:43 pm : link
In comment 16552655 Optimus-NY said:
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So any guess why we haven't signed Precious and McCullar?



Could be part of a bigger deal to come. Watch this video below for the 411 (start watching at the 15:34 mark that I've got linked for you below):
KFS POD | Cap Or No Cap? (4.0) - Backup Center of Attention - Knicks Film School - July 8, 2024 - ( New Window )


Interesting, thanks.
RE: Brunson is going to make  
Larry in Pencilvania : 7/12/2024 11:45 pm : link
In comment 16552740 nygiants16 said:
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2 million more than IQ, this is insane, Knicks are going to be a top 5 team in the NBA, everybody signed and still under the 2nd apron, meanwhile teams like Boston are going to be paying insane cap penalties and start losing draft picks soon


The Suns have a payroll this coming season of $428 million with $223 million in salaries and the rest is luxury tax. They are stuck with Beal and can't make moves to improve. The Sixers have 96% of their cap in 3 players. The Knicks have 96% of cap in approx 8 players.

This extension will allow them to continue to improve and have to shelf depth
RE: Told yall in  
BC Eagles94 : 7/12/2024 11:48 pm : link
In comment 16552556 ajr2456 said:
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April


You also said IHart was coming back, which looks to have never been a possibility.
RE: RE: Told yall in  
Mike in NJ : 7/12/2024 11:58 pm : link
In comment 16552748 BC Eagles94 said:
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You also said IHart was coming back, which looks to have never been a possibility.


I mean, he signed for like $13 mil per year more than what the Knicks could have offered. Seems like OKC thought him going back to the Knicks was a real possibility or they wouldn’t have gone that far above and beyond what New York could match.
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ajr2456 : 7/13/2024 5:51 am : link
In comment 16552748 BC Eagles94 said:
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April



You also said IHart was coming back, which looks to have never been a possibility.


I said the Knicks expected him to come back, which was the case until OKC offered nearly $30 million a year. My track record speaks for itself, including having Mikal as the move most likely to happen in April too
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bluefin : 7/13/2024 6:04 am : link
In comment 16552761 ajr2456 said:
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April



You also said IHart was coming back, which looks to have never been a possibility.



I said the Knicks expected him to come back, which was the case until OKC offered nearly $30 million a year. My track record speaks for itself, including having Mikal as the move most likely to happen in April too

yup
If the Knicks were never a possibikity for Ihart  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2024 8:46 am : link
why did OKC offer him double what the Knicks could offer? Pretty obvious to me OKC thought if they didnt over power the Knicks offer he was coming back to the Knicks
Not to pile on because ajr has been awesome  
robbieballs2003 : 7/13/2024 8:47 am : link
But, ajr, I am pretty sure you said IHart is coming back. When pressed you then said that is the expectation. Those are two different things.
RE: Not to pile on because ajr has been awesome  
Mike in NJ : 7/13/2024 8:51 am : link
In comment 16552773 robbieballs2003 said:
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But, ajr, I am pretty sure you said IHart is coming back. When pressed you then said that is the expectation. Those are two different things.


The Knicks also expected that Kevin Durant and Kyrie were going to sign with them, shit happens and things change. Doesn’t mean the information was bad
ihart is actually getting less guaranteed money from OKC  
shyster : 7/13/2024 8:55 am : link
than he could have gotten from the Knicks.

2 years/$58M vs 4 years/$72M.

It's not as though he got 4 years/$144M from OKC. Which would actually be double.
What is going to be the lineup next year...DDV and Hart are going to  
fredgbrown : 7/13/2024 8:55 am : link
take a hit in minutes going to lower 20s and Deuce unless injuries hit will be 10 to 15 minutes. Thibs is going have to keep everyone happy. I know there will be injuries and they can play on back to back less minutes..and they can even give guys a day off every once in awhile but players are going want to hit that 65 limit to be eligible for awards.
RE: ihart is actually getting less guaranteed money from OKC  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2024 8:59 am : link
In comment 16552778 shyster said:
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than he could have gotten from the Knicks.

2 years/$58M vs 4 years/$72M.

It's not as though he got 4 years/$144M from OKC. Which would actually be double.


30 million a year vs 16 million a year is double..

Its also 58 million in 2 years over 72 million in 4 years..

Its also only have 64 million the Knicks could offer, the 72 was with incentives..

So he would of 6 more million guaranteed from the Knicks but it would of been in 4 years..
RE: RE: ihart is actually getting less guaranteed money from OKC  
shyster : 7/13/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16552780 nygiants16 said:
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30 million a year vs 16 million a year is double..

Its also 58 million in 2 years over 72 million in 4 years..

Its also only have 64 million the Knicks could offer, the 72 was with incentives..

So he would of 6 more million guaranteed from the Knicks but it would of been in 4 years..


As you know, iHart's second guaranteed year with OKC is $28.5M, so $29.2M guaranteed for two years/$58.5M.

I'd say that's a significant come down from the 4y/$100m guaranteed potential being floated for iHart around the time Begley said he was unlikely to return, which was the day of the Bridges trade and the day before the draft.

I haven't been able to find info on the details of the incentives that made up $8.5M of the Knicks' max 4y/$72.5M offer to iHart. But at least the opportunity would have been there. Don't see any in his OKC contract.
Just a reminder:  
Anakim : 7/13/2024 9:46 am : link
THE KNICKS PLAY TODAY!!!
Taj signs with Hornets  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2024 10:56 am : link
..
Some notable SL stuff:  
Jon In NYC : 7/13/2024 11:30 am : link

Alex Sarr with 4 blocks and looked impressive defensively

Bub Carrington also looked good, 19-9-8. The Wizards may have had a sneaky good draft

Terrance Shannon looked great, with 25 points. There's definitely a chance we regret not taking him instead of Dadiet.

Dillingham really struggled

As we all expected, Bronny is awful.

Daron Holmes tore his achilles, really tough break for someone the Nuggets were really excited about. Their depth is in serious trouble.

Nets fan here, but Jalen Brunson  
Section331 : 7/13/2024 11:39 am : link
is everything you want in a team leader. I liked the signing for NYK, but I did wonder how he would perform without having Luka beside him. Well, he got better. Not entirely surprising, given that he was the 33rd pick and worked his ass off to become a legit superstar.

And now this, clearly a guy who values winning over being the highest paid.
maybe im misunderstanding something but this seems obvious for brunson  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2024 11:44 am : link
Yossi Gozlan
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Jalen Brunson isn’t giving up $113 million, that’s not the way to look at this.

There’s a pathway for him to make it up.

Five year max between 2025-2030: five years, $269 million.

Three year maximum extension + first two years of max contract in 2028: five years, $263 million.


and on top of that doing an extension now guarantees him more than 2x his career earnings (to this point $60m, would have been 85m after this upcoming year, now guaranteed $156m).

so he gets a big chunk of life changing money guaranteed now and eliminates any performance/injury risk from this year.

he helps his team over the next 3 years put better players around him.

and it could only cost him $6m gross which is really half that amount post tax. and if the next rights deal is as big as being implied, i think that future 35% max projection could go up even higher to cover that spread?



he basically traded 1 immediate year of risk of underperformance/injury in 2024-25, for 2 future years of risk of underperformance/injury in 2025-2027. and i would have to believe all parties involved have some kind of understanding about that future contract.
Going  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2024 12:27 pm : link
to call this my greatest tweet ever lol


"Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
Still like Jalen Brunson round 2 if we don't land a PG round 1. The French kid scares me round 1 #Knicks"
RE: Going  
ajr2456 : 7/13/2024 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16552902 DanMetroMan said:
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to call this my greatest tweet ever lol


"Daniel Wexler
@WexlerRules
Still like Jalen Brunson round 2 if we don't land a PG round 1. The French kid scares me round 1 #Knicks"


The polar opposite
Tweet - ( New Window )
Bridges and Precious?  
ColHowPepper : 7/13/2024 12:57 pm : link
As to why no signing (yet) of Precious, this may simply be The Athletic fluff and speculation, but saw a note re trade talks on Kessler.

More concretely, a bit OT from JB extension, but what are your takes on Fred Katz' assessment of the roles Bridges will play in 1st 5 and reserves this season? I'm not the NYK student you guys are but the emphasis on the 2nd unit surprised me.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5627275/2024/07/10/knicks-mikal-bridges-ideal-fit/
RE: Bridges and Precious?  
Jon In NYC : 7/13/2024 2:04 pm : link
In comment 16552910 ColHowPepper said:
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As to why no signing (yet) of Precious, this may simply be The Athletic fluff and speculation, but saw a note re trade talks on Kessler.

More concretely, a bit OT from JB extension, but what are your takes on Fred Katz' assessment of the roles Bridges will play in 1st 5 and reserves this season? I'm not the NYK student you guys are but the emphasis on the 2nd unit surprised me.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5627275/2024/07/10/knicks-mikal-bridges-ideal-fit/


Was the Kessler stuff recent? I hadn't seen that.

I think they'll pair Bridges and Randle and Brunson and OG in their lineup staggering. Keep one elite defender and one primary ball handler in the lineup at all times. Hart and DVO are so versatile they would fit in fine with both duos.
McCullar  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2024 2:34 pm : link
To miss SL with knee issues. Reportedly the same issues he’s been dealing with since March. Obviously, not great to hear that.
Jon,  
ColHowPepper : 7/13/2024 2:39 pm : link
Kessler item hit my feed (on mobile?) I think via The Athletic in the last day or so, but it might have been for kicks and clicks and reprising something a week old...?
https://x.com/i/status/1808944530432901276
Maybe with the apron nailed down Leon can pull more rabbits.

On Bridges and Brunson, seems as though you and Katz pretty much on same page. I had (ignorantly) assumed he'd be first 5 but the rotation laid out might save them from Thibs.
RE: maybe im misunderstanding something but this seems obvious for brunson  
larryflower37 : 7/13/2024 3:28 pm : link
In comment 16552879 Eric on Li said:
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Yossi Gozlan


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@YossiGozlan
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Jalen Brunson isn’t giving up $113 million, that’s not the way to look at this.

There’s a pathway for him to make it up.

Five year max between 2025-2030: five years, $269 million.

Three year maximum extension + first two years of max contract in 2028: five years, $263 million.



and on top of that doing an extension now guarantees him more than 2x his career earnings (to this point $60m, would have been 85m after this upcoming year, now guaranteed $156m).

so he gets a big chunk of life changing money guaranteed now and eliminates any performance/injury risk from this year.

he helps his team over the next 3 years put better players around him.

and it could only cost him $6m gross which is really half that amount post tax. and if the next rights deal is as big as being implied, i think that future 35% max projection could go up even higher to cover that spread?



he basically traded 1 immediate year of risk of underperformance/injury in 2024-25, for 2 future years of risk of underperformance/injury in 2025-2027. and i would have to believe all parties involved have some kind of understanding about that future contract.

This is all good but you can't bank on money in 2028 so much can happen in 4 years when the deal comes up so it's a bold move on his part to take the deal now.
I know everyone talks about the next deal but a 30 yr old PG might not get the max deal down the road and Rose could be gone. Knicks could be sold and he still could get injured. What he did was selfless right now and a bold move.
larry doesnt the same logic apply to banking on money 1 year from now?  
Eric on Li : 7/13/2024 3:42 pm : link
like i get 2025-26 is 2 years earlier than 2027-28, but it is the exact same premise.

he guaranteed himself and extra 130m today. and preserved the right to make up that difference of anything he may have left on the table waiting until next year, just 2 years later.

do you not see that there was also risk to delay guaranteeing the extra $130m for 1 more full year?

if i had $60m of lifetime earnings, id be a lot more motivated to lock in that $130m that worried about possibly forgoing $37m in the process. just yesterday some kid in summer league tore his achilles. was just drafted a few weeks ago, totally innocuous looking play.
RE: Some notable SL stuff:  
Stu11 : 7/13/2024 3:45 pm : link
In comment 16552869 Jon In NYC said:
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Terrance Shannon looked great, with 25 points. There's definitely a chance we regret not taking him instead of Dadier

Yeah I made my feelings known on Shannon here a few times before the draft. He could end up being one of the absolute steals of the draft. The league has absolutely fallen in love with the 3 & D wings. He doesn't fit that classic mold, but few in the draft have the combo of athleticism and ability to create his own shot the way Shannon can. His touch while not elite is still pretty good from the outside. I'm drop dead in love with the TWolves draft.
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It appears  
Jon In NYC : 7/13/2024 5:25 pm : link
that our summer league team will struggle to score.

You can see the appeal with Dadiet though. He looks a legit 6'8/6'9 and pretty fluid out there. Locked up Brandon Miller once. Nothing else of note. Hakpuri has legit size too but missed three pretty easy shots already.
Two bad airballs  
Jon In NYC : 7/13/2024 5:31 pm : link
from Dadiet lol. Second one was BAD.

But everything else has been impressive. Handle, passing, burst.

Fuck it, I'm excited.
RE: RE: Some notable SL stuff:  
81_Great_Dane : 7/13/2024 5:53 pm : link
In comment 16552964 Stu11 said:
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Terrance Shannon looked great, with 25 points. There's definitely a chance we regret not taking him instead of Dadier


Yeah I made my feelings known on Shannon here a few times before the draft. He could end up being one of the absolute steals of the draft. The league has absolutely fallen in love with the 3 & D wings. He doesn't fit that classic mold, but few in the draft have the combo of athleticism and ability to create his own shot the way Shannon can. His touch while not elite is still pretty good from the outside. I'm drop dead in love with the TWolves draft.
I think the Dadiet pick had two advantages for the Knicks:

He’s 18 so he might be ready to play around the time they will have to think about getting younger and having cheaper role players, in 2 or 3 seasons.

It’s possible they had an agreement to draft him if he would sign for less than rookie scale, which he did. That helps with cap room. I’m not the first person to speculate about that.
Kolek  
Jon In NYC : 7/13/2024 6:08 pm : link
is balling. 6 assists, 5 boards, no turnovers. He's going to look great next to actual NBA talent.
RE: Kolek  
81_Great_Dane : 7/13/2024 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16553019 Jon In NYC said:
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is balling. 6 assists, 5 boards, no turnovers. He's going to look great next to actual NBA talent.

I suspect the Kolek pick told Jokubaitis there was no way he’d get to play for the Knicks this season. I think Jokubaitis is in the Summer League hoping someone will trade for him, and the Knicks probably hope so too.
Did Woj say anything noteworthy?  
Anakim : 7/13/2024 6:27 pm : link
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RE: Did Woj say anything noteworthy?  
81_Great_Dane : 7/13/2024 6:30 pm : link
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I didn’t think so.
RE: Two bad airballs  
81_Great_Dane : 7/13/2024 6:33 pm : link
In comment 16553004 Jon In NYC said:
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from Dadiet lol. Second one was BAD.

But everything else has been impressive. Handle, passing, burst.

Fuck it, I'm excited.
These Summer Leaguers aren’t wowing anyone with their shooting.
Kolek can come in and run the 2nd offense right now  
nygiants16 : 7/13/2024 6:49 pm : link
he is polished, can get into the paint and can spray it, he would look good next to Divo and Hart with Bridgez or OG in that lineup
Didn’t watch the entire game, but saw some of it  
Anakim : 7/13/2024 7:05 pm : link
Kolek is a gifted passer. Really amazing vision.


Dadiet…woof. I assume it was nerves, but he doesn’t look at all ready.

Hukporti is a big body and can move around pretty well, but he’s not as polished as someone his age should be. We need a backup C.

Toppin and Washington looked good, but they’re not going to get any burn with the big club.
RE: Didn’t watch the entire game, but saw some of it  
Reeses Pieces : 7/13/2024 7:22 pm : link
In comment 16553039 Anakim said:
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Kolek is a gifted passer. Really amazing vision.


Dadiet…woof. I assume it was nerves, but he doesn’t look at all ready.

Hukporti is a big body and can move around pretty well, but he’s not as polished as someone his age should be. We need a backup C.

Toppin and Washington looked good, but they’re not going to get any burn with the big club.


I disagree on Dadiet. His shot wasn’t there, but he defended very well and made some plays off the dribble for his teammates, and is a connective passer. His feel for the game looked good despite his nerves. The shot will be fine.
Dadiet is 18. He’s talented but a project. Not worried about him.  
81_Great_Dane : 7/13/2024 8:04 pm : link
Kolek’s play is more significant. Also Rokas, in case some other team gets interested.

Toppin and Washington become interesting if they show major improvement.

Hukporti, also a project.

They looked ragged even by Summer League standards but still lost by only 4.
I think by the end of summer league  
Jon In NYC : 7/13/2024 8:28 pm : link
it's going to be tough to keep Kolek out of a rotation that is dying for a playmaker behind Brunson.

Fans are gonna love this guy. Buy stock now.
KolekFan#1  
DanMetroMan : 7/13/2024 8:37 pm : link
Aka me…woot woot
RE: KolekFan#1  
Anakim : 7/13/2024 10:01 pm : link
In comment 16553057 DanMetroMan said:
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Aka me…woot woot


Finally changing your username from ReggieJacksonFan#1 and JimmerFan#1 :)
Brandon Miller playing Summer League was a little ridiculous.  
bceagle05 : 7/13/2024 10:43 pm : link
Look forward to seeing more of the rooks.
RE: RE: KolekFan#1  
Stu11 : 7/13/2024 10:44 pm : link
In comment 16553068 Anakim said:
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Aka me…woot woot



Finally changing your username from ReggieJacksonFan#1 and JimmerFan#1 :)

Nope Dan is #MalikMonkNBAMVP
Dan it took like 5 seasons but your Monk patience paid off. Sac unlocked his inner beast.
RE: I think by the end of summer league  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/13/2024 11:00 pm : link
In comment 16553054 Jon In NYC said:
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it's going to be tough to keep Kolek out of a rotation that is dying for a playmaker behind Brunson.

Fans are gonna love this guy. Buy stock now.


I believe I read that team brass feel like he's good for 9-12 a night.

As he should be, given his age and seasoning.
RE: RE: I think by the end of summer league  
Jon In NYC : 7/14/2024 7:21 am : link
In comment 16553079 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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it's going to be tough to keep Kolek out of a rotation that is dying for a playmaker behind Brunson.

Fans are gonna love this guy. Buy stock now.



I believe I read that team brass feel like he's good for 9-12 a night.

As he should be, given his age and seasoning.


So if Brunson plays 36 (as he should) and Kolek plays 12 (as he should) I’m not sure how Deuce plays with DVo and Bridges here.

Also, Knicks lose by 4 but Kolek +9 yesterday.
RE: RE: RE: I think by the end of summer league  
nygiants16 : 7/14/2024 8:33 am : link
In comment 16553092 Jon In NYC said:
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it's going to be tough to keep Kolek out of a rotation that is dying for a playmaker behind Brunson.

Fans are gonna love this guy. Buy stock now.



I believe I read that team brass feel like he's good for 9-12 a night.

As he should be, given his age and seasoning.



So if Brunson plays 36 (as he should) and Kolek plays 12 (as he should) I’m not sure how Deuce plays with DVo and Bridges here.

Also, Knicks lose by 4 but Kolek +9 yesterday.


The Deuce minutes problem seems like the same problem they had last yesr with Quick..

I do see Hart or Divo closing with Randle playing the 5 a lot of nights, but the minutes for adeuce are going to be scarce
Well, first, Thibs has to show a willingness to actually play  
Matt M. : 7/14/2024 8:38 am : link
4-6 guys off the bench regularly. I don't think we will see a true 2nd unit of 5 guys. So, the bench will mix and match with the starters based on opponent, matchups, how everyone is playing, etc. I think the 2nd unit coming on the floor, for example, will often have us going small, with Randle at the 5. It may be him and 2 interchangeable wings, plus a PG. That leaves room for Deuce somewhere. Right now, this is a good problem to have, if Kolek is as good as a lot think. But, it has to happen AFTER the summer league. What he's doing this summer isn't a guarantee of what is to come. It is a reason to be excited, but not to expect anything.
Great  
DanMetroMan : 7/14/2024 9:09 am : link
Kolek thread here
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RE: RE: RE: KolekFan#1  
DanMetroMan : 7/14/2024 11:14 am : link
In comment 16553076 Stu11 said:
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Aka me…woot woot



Finally changing your username from ReggieJacksonFan#1 and JimmerFan#1 :)


Nope Dan is #MalikMonkNBAMVP
Dan it took like 5 seasons but your Monk patience paid off. Sac unlocked his inner beast.


Wasn't looking so good for Monk for a while there lol
I wonder  
Jon In NYC : 7/14/2024 1:23 pm : link
if they prioritize a pick and roll partner for Kolek in their backup 5. Could give the edge for Duren over Kessler as a guy who can be a real scoring threat with the backup unit.
Rockets GM  
Jon In NYC : 7/14/2024 8:25 pm : link
with a pretty concrete statement that Sengun isn't being traded. Not that we had much of a chance but was fun to get excited about it.

I still like Duren for Deuce and the Det pick back
Kolek  
DanMetroMan : 7/15/2024 9:10 am : link
on some of the similiaries he shares with Brunson
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Looking at some of the summer league  
Semipro Lineman : 7/15/2024 10:39 am : link
clips, I saw someone point out that Ariel Hukporti needs to work on his lower body strength. The example he used was how a defender was able to move him when he took one a jump hook. As much as we knock Jericho Sims, I believe that he has an NBA ready body to hang in there with other low post players.

Also saw some defense clips of Pacome Dadiet as he was facing last year's 2nd overall pick Brandon Miller. As pointed out above, he actually did a lot of nice things as Miller had to work for his points. I like the pick even more now.
Hukporti  
DanMetroMan : 7/15/2024 10:46 am : link
was available as late as he was for a reason/reasons but in his "defense", he just turned 22 years old, Sims (an absolute freak of an athlete, so no knock) was a 23 year old rookie. I'm pretty confident that Texas also has a better strength program than Riesen Ludwigsburg
RE: Hukporti  
Semipro Lineman : 7/15/2024 11:03 am : link
In comment 16553571 DanMetroMan said:
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I'm pretty confident that Texas also has a better strength program than Riesen Ludwigsburg


I'm confident that Texan U. could buy the city of Ludwigsburg with its spare NIL change but your point is well taken.
Shams  
DanMetroMan : 7/15/2024 11:39 am : link
The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.

RE: Shams  
BigBlueShock : 7/15/2024 11:55 am : link
In comment 16553593 DanMetroMan said:
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The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.

Lol@ that proposal from GS. If Markannen truly is available there are numerous teams that could blow that offer out of the water. They are dealing with Danny Ainge here. He’s not trading Markkanen unless he curb stomps the other team on the return
The Jazz were 31-51 last season -  
Del Shofner : 7/15/2024 12:13 pm : link
I don't see how Danny Ainge gets to wear the genius hat, or act like he's got a monopoly on talent. Doesn't seem like he's doing a great job as a GM.
Markkanen is entering his walk year though  
Eric on Li : 7/15/2024 12:29 pm : link
so in terms of compensation i dont think it's a bridges situation where the return is going to be more than expected. he essentially has veto power if he has a preference of where he'd want to extend.

moody and a bunch of picks/swaps that add up to lets say 1-2 less unprotected firsts than Bridges seems about right to me.

getting players like podz or kuminga seems crazy for a guy entering his walk year. those are quality 21 year old starters on rookie deals. i cant think of many players who fit that description who have been traded in any of the big super star trades the last half decade. basically just SGA, and that was for PG3 of a 1st team all nba season with i think 3 years left.
Ainge doesn’t have infinite leverage  
Jon In NYC : 7/15/2024 1:07 pm : link
But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player.
RE: Shams  
Mike in NJ : 7/15/2024 1:12 pm : link
In comment 16553593 DanMetroMan said:
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The Golden State Warriors have been the most engaged team for Markkanen in recent weeks, as league sources tell The Athletic they have discussed a proposal around Moses Moody, multiple first-round picks, multiple pick swaps and multiple second-round picks. The Jazz, however, have asked for the bulk of young talent and capital the Warriors possess, including Moody, Jonathan Kuminga and Brandin Podziemski, along with picks, which has been a non-starter thus far for Golden State, league sources said.


I don’t think that deal is too far off, depending on what the picks are. Asking for both Kuminga and Podziemski is too much, but a deal with one of them, Moody and picks seems about right.
Of course  
Anakim : 7/15/2024 1:22 pm : link
The Strickland
@TheStrickland
Ryan Arcidiacono will "wind up back with the Knicks at some point," says Tim Bontemps on ESPN's Hoop Collective Podcast

Arcidiacono played with Jalen Brunson, Mikal Bridges, Josh Hart, and Donte DiVincenzo at Villanova.
Marc Stein says Mikal will follow Brunson’s lead  
bceagle05 : 7/15/2024 3:05 pm : link
and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it.

#culture
RE: Marc Stein says Mikal will follow Brunson’s lead  
Jon In NYC : 7/15/2024 3:11 pm : link
In comment 16553710 bceagle05 said:
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and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it.

#culture


I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?
RE: RE: Marc Stein says Mikal will follow Brunson’s lead  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/15/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16553715 Jon In NYC said:
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and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it.

#culture



I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?


I view any player doing this as a gift. There shouldnt be any pressure on guys to do this. Didnt he already take less than he could have once already?
RE: RE: Marc Stein says Mikal will follow Brunson’s lead  
nygiants16 : 7/15/2024 3:50 pm : link
In comment 16553715 Jon In NYC said:
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and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it.

#culture



I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?


Aigust 3rd is his extension date, will be interesting to see if he takes it has to know if he doesnt it most likely means he will be dealt by the deadline unoess this team is absolutely rolling
RE: RE: Marc Stein says Mikal will follow Brunson’s lead  
Stu11 : 7/15/2024 4:11 pm : link
In comment 16553715 Jon In NYC said:
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and sign a team-friendly contract - it’s been reported elsewhere but Stein is the first guy I trust who has said it.

#culture



I am so fascinated what happens with Julius. It feels like the elephant in the room. Why are we hearing this about Mikal but not Julius who is extension eligible sooner?

Randle is a totally different situation than Brunson & Bridges. We know those 2 are probably here for at least the next 3 or 4 seasons so it's important to keep their salaries down. Randle on the other hand could be moved in the next year or so in a star trade so it may actually help us to have his salary be higher to match in a trade.
RE: Ainge doesn’t have infinite leverage  
Eric on Li : 7/15/2024 5:01 pm : link
In comment 16553644 Jon In NYC said:
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But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player.


just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect.
RE: RE: Ainge doesn’t have infinite leverage  
BigBlueShock : 7/15/2024 6:19 pm : link
In comment 16553757 Eric on Li said:
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But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player.



just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect.

Do the Warriors have anywhere in the vicinity of the picks had in upcoming seasons? I honestly don’t know, not trying to be sarcastic. Because if not, adding a bunch of picks that won’t convey until Ainge is long gone probably isn’t all that appealing to him. And the pick swaps won’t be that special either since you’d think the Jazz will be worse than the Warriors for the foreseeable future
RE: RE: RE: Ainge doesn’t have infinite leverage  
Strahan91 : 7/15/2024 6:24 pm : link
In comment 16553769 BigBlueShock said:
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But if you’re going to be trading for an All star you can’t include your third best prospect as the best player.



just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect.


Do the Warriors have anywhere in the vicinity of the picks had in upcoming seasons? I honestly don’t know, not trying to be sarcastic. Because if not, adding a bunch of picks that won’t convey until Ainge is long gone probably isn’t all that appealing to him. And the pick swaps won’t be that special either since you’d think the Jazz will be worse than the Warriors for the foreseeable future

I think it's only 3 - 2025, 2027 and a 2030 pick (if it falls in the to 20, otherwise converts to a 2nd) + swaps
im pretty sure the warriors own all their own picks except 2030  
Eric on Li : 7/15/2024 6:35 pm : link
so owning 6 firsts i think they could trade at least 3 unprotected firsts w/ in rules plus however many unprotected swaps.

and it looks like the 2030 pick they owe may not even convey, it's top 20 protected and if it doesnt convey it turns into a 2nd. so i believe they could trade that as a conditional pick swap if it ends up top 20.

moody probably has the value of a FRP. that seems like enough draft assets to get close though if SAS is motivated they could probably beat it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Ainge doesn’t have infinite leverage  
BigBlueShock : 7/15/2024 6:38 pm : link
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just like bridges deal if there are enough picks in the deal sure you can. markkanen is a nice 1 time all star, he isnt a first team all nba player. and he has a say in where he goes because he needs to agree to extend or else teams may not even give up their 3rd best prospect.


Do the Warriors have anywhere in the vicinity of the picks had in upcoming seasons? I honestly don’t know, not trying to be sarcastic. Because if not, adding a bunch of picks that won’t convey until Ainge is long gone probably isn’t all that appealing to him. And the pick swaps won’t be that special either since you’d think the Jazz will be worse than the Warriors for the foreseeable future


I think it's only 3 - 2025, 2027 and a 2030 pick (if it falls in the to 20, otherwise converts to a 2nd) + swaps

See, that’s the difference in what the Knicks gave up and what the Warriors can. Those picks don’t seem all that appealing to me, but what do I know. Just feels like many teams can blow that offer out of the water. I would take them probably agreeing to an extension beforehand, maybe, but that proposal just sucks, imo
all due respect that's kind of insane  
Eric on Li : 7/15/2024 6:46 pm : link
GSW would have had the 14th pick in this past draft.
they are in the west which is a much tougher conference.
steph is 36 years old.
draymond is 34.
they lost klay.

the 2025/2026 drafts both look really good, and their picks could be mid round right away.

and the real value is their unprotected picks/swaps in 27/28/29/30/31 when Curry is likely done.

Randle, Brunson, Bridges, and OG are all almost a decade younger than Curry. In an easier conference. Those GSW picks are a lot more valuable. They are probably even more valuable than SAS picks in a couple years when Wemby starts getting close to prime, though i think the Spurs have the Atlanta picks too so if motivated they could build a better offer.
RE: all due respect that's kind of insane  
BigBlueShock : 7/15/2024 6:54 pm : link
In comment 16553774 Eric on Li said:
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GSW would have had the 14th pick in this past draft.
they are in the west which is a much tougher conference.
steph is 36 years old.
draymond is 34.
they lost klay.

the 2025/2026 drafts both look really good, and their picks could be mid round right away.

and the real value is their unprotected picks/swaps in 27/28/29/30/31 when Curry is likely done.

Randle, Brunson, Bridges, and OG are all almost a decade younger than Curry. In an easier conference. Those GSW picks are a lot more valuable. They are probably even more valuable than SAS picks in a couple years when Wemby starts getting close to prime, though i think the Spurs have the Atlanta picks too so if motivated they could build a better offer.

I think you’re the insane one. The Warriors with Markannen are not ending up 14th in the draft, they are an absolute playoff team. And they will continue to sell out while Curry is around. Nobody cares about a pick in 2030, lol. Neither of these GMs are likely to even be there by then
And again  
BigBlueShock : 7/15/2024 6:56 pm : link
For the 3rd time, it’s not even necessarily whether you think those picks are any good. The main point is I would be absolutely astonished if that’s the best offer they get. Plenty of contenders can destroy that package if they choose to
Also  
BigBlueShock : 7/15/2024 7:00 pm : link
My post was in response to Strahan saying they only have picks in 25, 27 and 30 to trade. So if that’s wrong, then that changes things, obviously
We signed Cam Payne?  
bceagle05 : 7/15/2024 7:02 pm : link
Ugh. One-year, $3.1 million.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 7/15/2024 7:03 pm : link
The Dubs with Lauri are 100% a playoff team. There shouldn't be any disputing that.
We love lefty point guards.  
bceagle05 : 7/15/2024 7:03 pm : link
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ok how does any of that make the knicks picks more valuable?  
Eric on Li : 7/15/2024 7:03 pm : link
if picks in 2030 etc don't matter wouldnt that also apply to the knicks picks?

you realize gsw won 46 games last year and that was only good for 10th in the west right? and that was with steph playing 70 or more games for the first time since 2016-17.

even assuming markannen, which season in the next 6 would you expect GSW to win more games than the knicks? in 2031 brunson will still be younger than steph is now.
RE: We signed Cam Payne?  
KayvonOjulari515 : 7/15/2024 7:12 pm : link
In comment 16553780 bceagle05 said:
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Ugh. One-year, $3.1 million.


I think the Knicks signing Payne makes it more likely that Deuce is used in a trade for a big. Payne and Kolek are pretty good depth.
We used the veteran’s minimum exception on Payne.  
bceagle05 : 7/15/2024 7:20 pm : link
Guess we had to use it on somebody. Hopefully he’s just “situational.” Katz was on KFS pod this morning talking about the center position. Said you could resign Precious and use this exception on somebody, then package both at the deadline to maybe get someone of value. He mentioned Larry Nance Jr. as an example.
Interesting though  
nygiants16 : 7/15/2024 7:24 pm : link
Begely mentioned they were showing interest in Tyus Jones as well, the back up point gusrd spot is 10 to 15 minutes max with Divo and Hart coming off the bench..

Now if there is a trade where Divo goes back to the starting 2 that is a different story
This  
nygiants16 : 7/15/2024 7:28 pm : link
Jeremy Cohen
@TheCohencidence
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Look, idk what the Knicks do next. What I do know is a backcourt that already had nice depth now has another rotation player. And considering the current lack of depth at the center position, it’s easy to see the Knicks now consolidating and/or balancing out their team via trade



Now Rose has shown that he is willing to wait to see how things shake out and then make a move to fix it, like he did with Cam Reddish and then last year eith Quick and Rj
Payne and  
Jon In NYC : 7/15/2024 8:16 pm : link
IQ had the exact same TS% last year. IQ is obviously better, better defender, younger, but there are some similarities on offense.
RE: Interesting though  
Anakim : 7/15/2024 8:20 pm : link
In comment 16553789 nygiants16 said:
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Begely mentioned they were showing interest in Tyus Jones as well, the back up point gusrd spot is 10 to 15 minutes max with Divo and Hart coming off the bench..

Now if there is a trade where Divo goes back to the starting 2 that is a different story


Would've preferred Jones as he's the better and younger player, but Payne at least adds a bit more size.


That jumper is fugly though. Shawn Marion-esque.
RE: Rockets GM  
Anakim : 7/15/2024 8:24 pm : link
In comment 16553412 Jon In NYC said:
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I still like Duren for Deuce and the Det pick back


Seems like a fair trade, but how much of an upgrade (if at all) is Deuce over Sasser?
RE: RE: Rockets GM  
Jon In NYC : 7/15/2024 8:29 pm : link
In comment 16553810 Anakim said:
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In comment 16553412 Jon In NYC said:


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I still like Duren for Deuce and the Det pick back



Seems like a fair trade, but how much of an upgrade (if at all) is Deuce over Sasser?


I think a decent one. Sasser just came off a summer league game where he scored 1 point in 30 minutes. A 3 man rotation of Cade, Deuce and Ivey could be interesting.
Payne - waste of roster spot  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2024 10:48 pm : link
This guy does nothing to help this team. He is bad at everything he does. Theo annoys me beyond belief. Use the money elsewhere
RE: Payne - waste of roster spot  
KayvonOjulari515 : 7/15/2024 11:18 pm : link
In comment 16553865 GMEN46 said:
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This guy does nothing to help this team. He is bad at everything he does. Theo annoys me beyond belief. Use the money elsewhere


He’s a veteran point guard with playoff experience who can step in and play competently if needed. He’s the 10th or 11th guy on the team. If this signing annoys you beyond belief then you probably could use some help.
He does nothing well  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2024 11:31 pm : link
He doesn’t fit with this team. I would have held out for something else. I don’t want to see him play a single minute. His shot is terrible and he is not a good defender. Why even waste the roster spot on him.
He played 15 minutes a night in the finals for the Suns  
Stu11 : 7/15/2024 11:53 pm : link
In '21. He's a solid NBA back up. Plus he was pretty good in those minutes for Phoenix. Like other have said for a 10th man he's fine and can fill in if we have injuries. 39% from 3 last year (44% in the Knicks series) and 37 for his career with a career asst/to ratio of almost 3-1. Its not true to say he brings no value to a team or does nothing well. Could make Deuce expendable in a trade for a big.
RE: Payne - waste of roster spot  
Jon In NYC : 7/16/2024 12:29 am : link
In comment 16553865 GMEN46 said:
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This guy does nothing to help this team. He is bad at everything he does. Theo annoys me beyond belief. Use the money elsewhere


He literally just went 8-18 from 3 against the Knicks in a playoff series and signed the smallest possible contract he could sign. I don’t get the angst.
RE: We used the veteran’s minimum exception on Payne.  
Optimus-NY : 7/16/2024 1:40 pm : link
In comment 16553788 bceagle05 said:
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Guess we had to use it on somebody. Hopefully he’s just “situational.” Katz was on KFS pod this morning talking about the center position. Said you could resign Precious and use this exception on somebody, then package both at the deadline to maybe get someone of value. He mentioned Larry Nance Jr. as an example.


I heard that. Here's the link:

KFS POD | Brunson's Big Bet w/ Fred Katz of The Athletic (LIVE FROM NBA SUMMER LEAGUE IN LAS VEGAS!)
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