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NFT: Knicks Sign Cameron Payne

Doubledeuce22 : 7/15/2024 10:12 pm
Didn’t see anyone post it and wanted to discuss. Seems like an odd signing with Kolek and Deuce here already and needing a big man.
Depth Chart  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/15/2024 10:18 pm : link
Jalen Brunson
Deuce McBride
Cameron Payne
Tyler Kolek

Mikal Bridges
Donte DiVincenzo

OG Anunoby
Josh Hart
Pacome Dadiet
Keita Bates-Diop

Julius Randle

Mitchell Robinson
Jericho Sims
Ariel Hukporti
Solid move  
AROCK1000 : 7/15/2024 10:30 pm : link
As much as I like Deuce,I don't know if he can really handle the back up PG position
He may be on his way out...
I feel like Achiuwa  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/15/2024 10:31 pm : link
Will be back and that’ll be the final move.
RE: Solid move  
Mike from SI : 7/15/2024 10:32 pm : link
In comment 16553857 AROCK1000 said:
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As much as I like Deuce,I don't know if he can really handle the back up PG position
He may be on his way out...


I saw on Twitter the Knicks see Deuce as an off-guard who happens to be able to play PG in a pinch, and that they've actively tried to keep him out of deals. I assume AJR and others have a better sense of what's going on, though.
I don’t see Payne playing much at all  
bceagle05 : 7/15/2024 10:38 pm : link
until injuries strike, of course. He tweeted out something in reference to his 10th year in the league - I’m sure he’s just happy to qualify for the max pension benefits now.
Hate this signing  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2024 10:38 pm : link
I don’t like anything about it. He is a bad player and obnoxious to watch play basketball. He adds nothing to this roster.
I think they should do it:  
Anakim : 7/15/2024 11:18 pm : link
Deuce, Rokas and Detroit's first rounder for Jalen Duren
Weird signing.  
Matt M. : 7/15/2024 11:21 pm : link
I don't care for it.
Payne was really good in the playoffs  
ElitoCanton : 7/15/2024 11:24 pm : link
he's a solid depth signing at the vet minimum. These teams in now better prepared to survive injury.
Really good in the playoffs?  
GMEN46 : 7/15/2024 11:35 pm : link
He was terrible in the playoffs, he shot 40 percent from the field. I just don’t get this signing at all. Maybe they signed him so they can trade his contract at trade deadline?
I don't know a lot about Cam Payne  
Mike from SI : 7/15/2024 11:51 pm : link
but I do know we ran out of competent NBA players at the end of the playoffs. At this point, I think Leon and Co. deserve the benefit of the doubt. But I don't have a super strong opinion about this.
RE: Really good in the playoffs?  
Jim in Fairfax : 7/16/2024 12:01 am : link
In comment 16553874 GMEN46 said:
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He was terrible in the playoffs, he shot 40 percent from the field. I just don’t get this signing at all. Maybe they signed him so they can trade his contract at trade deadline?

You’re pretty picky on end of the bench, minimum salary signings. Who do you expect to get that’s better?
40 percent while taking mostly threes  
ElitoCanton : 7/16/2024 12:06 am : link
he hit a ton of big shots in that series. He's a solid guy to have as a 10th or even a 9th man.
RE: RE: Really good in the playoffs?  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2024 12:11 am : link
In comment 16553878 Jim in Fairfax said:
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You’re pretty picky on end of the bench, minimum salary signings. Who do you expect to get that’s better?

Kadeem Allen or Chasson Randle, anyone? Maybe Jimmer Fredette is ready for a return.
Think this is a sign  
ripdumaine : 7/16/2024 1:27 am : link
That leads to Duece being included in a trade for a big...
RE: I feel like Achiuwa  
robbieballs2003 : 7/16/2024 3:41 am : link
In comment 16553858 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Will be back and that’ll be the final move.


What to you mean by final nove? There is no way they don't address C by the trade deadline.
RE: RE: I feel like Achiuwa  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/16/2024 6:29 am : link
In comment 16553887 robbieballs2003 said:
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Will be back and that’ll be the final move.



What to you mean by final nove? There is no way they don't address C by the trade deadline.


Final move of this offseason
RE: RE: RE: I feel like Achiuwa  
robbieballs2003 : 7/16/2024 6:43 am : link
In comment 16553892 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Will be back and that’ll be the final move.



What to you mean by final nove? There is no way they don't address C by the trade deadline.



Final move of this offseason


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This is a very peculiar signing. I wonder if this just gives them options at the trade deadline. I have to imagine that Duece and Cam's salaries are similar without looking it up and eiher could be used in a trade. When can guys be traded that were signed this offseason? The NBA is so complex to me. I think it is base on when the player signs so I am curious to know this answer. I also wonder if this is why Precious hasn't signed yet. It might give him more reason to wait if he knows he can't be traded until a later date. This is all speculation on my part but I am curious.
Deuce is a favorite of mine  
Chris684 : 7/16/2024 8:04 am : link
How can you not love the guy? All hard work and defense, improved his game all year long to eventually become a factor in the playoffs, but it’s seeming like he may be on his way out for a big and would probably be a nice “sell high” move by Leon.
I do think  
Jon In NYC : 7/16/2024 8:08 am : link
this is as close to as high on Deuce's value as he's going to get as a Knick.

Barring injuries to both Donte and Bridges simultaneously he's not going to start here again nevermind play some 48 minute games like he was doing. And the team in not so many words has said he's not a PG, or else they wouldn't have signed Payne and drafted Kolek after watching him run an offense for stretches.

Plus as every year passes that's one clear closer to him getting a much bigger payday.

So yes, trade Deuce at the high of his value for a center with upside. Duren or Kessler. I'd probably prefer Duren given the offensive potential but I'd be thrilled with either.
RE: Payne was really good in the playoffs  
Justlurking : 7/16/2024 8:17 am : link
In comment 16553872 ElitoCanton said:
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he's a solid depth signing at the vet minimum. These teams in now better prepared to survive injury.


Yeah he’s got onions and can knock down threes under pressure. Good veteran signing not sure why people wouldn’t like this for depth. Especially knowing that they may need to make a trade for some front court help.
Begely made an interesting comment  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2024 8:20 am : link
Basically saying that Deuce was viewed by the Knicks as an off guard option, if thats the case there are zero minutes for him..

I dont think Payne automatically means Deuce is gone but with adding Payne if they wanted to go with Kolek as the backup point for 10 to 15 minutes a night, Payne gives you insurance as the 3rd guy if you have to deal Deuce..

Its also interesting they were in on Tyus Jones
Payne  
31southst : 7/16/2024 8:29 am : link
Obviously we hope injuries are nothing like last year but I wonder if this was in part learning a lesson from the end of last season. The Knicks had 2-3 non-NBA players that also weren't really developmental prospects at the end of the roster. While I think unhappiness with minutes is a real risk (see the start of last year), at least now there is back end depth that would be playable in the post season in case of an emergency.
No inside info but  
ajr2456 : 7/16/2024 9:24 am : link
I don’t see this being a precursor to an offseason center trade
For $3M, hard to hate it  
Neckbone1333 : 7/16/2024 9:45 am : link
Not earth shattering, but playoff experience and can make shots. I do like what I am seeing about his relationship with Bridges. More locker room positivity to go around with the Nova group. Hoping this helps them all be on the same page.
Josh Hart gave a Shoutout to Terry on his social media  
shyster : 7/16/2024 9:47 am : link
the reference being to a report from a couple of weeks ago about Payne being arrested for giving a fake name (Terry Johnson) to Phoenix police. Payne had called 911 re a domestic incident.

Bet Payne is amused by that.


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Deuce absolutely is better as an off ball guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/16/2024 9:52 am : link
I domt know why people forget the offense was stuck in mud when he gave Brunson a break.
RE: No inside info but  
Del Shofner : 7/16/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16553930 ajr2456 said:
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I don’t see this being a precursor to an offseason center trade


Maybe this isn't a precursor but do you expect a move to acquire a backup 5 before the season starts?
RE: RE: No inside info but  
ajr2456 : 7/16/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16553944 Del Shofner said:
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I don’t see this being a precursor to an offseason center trade



Maybe this isn't a precursor but do you expect a move to acquire a backup 5 before the season starts?


I don’t anticipate a trade I think they’ll sign someone
$3.1m for a vet is  
Carl in CT : 7/16/2024 10:01 am : link
Just insurance and for someone to know the system. What’s to hate about it?.
RE: Deuce absolutely is better as an off ball guy  
robbieballs2003 : 7/16/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16553941 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I domt know why people forget the offense was stuck in mud when he gave Brunson a break.


I disagree with this. The offense was worse with Brunson in the playoffs imo whem he was trying to do too much. Regardless of whether we think Duece can be a point guard or not, he is something this team needs and thrives on. No, he is not irreplaceable. Yes, he has his flaws. However, in today's NBA, these are the guys you need. He's a winning player. He gets it. He came up clutch time and time again. His shooting got better and better. He added more to his offensive game other than a 3 point shot. His rebound against Philly was fuckin awesome when he ripped it out of the Sixer's hands and laid it in. His contract is a home run and a huge reason the Knicks don't want to move him. To those posters saying he has no role, I completely disagree.
RE: RE: Deuce absolutely is better as an off ball guy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 7/16/2024 10:11 am : link
In comment 16553953 robbieballs2003 said:
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I domt know why people forget the offense was stuck in mud when he gave Brunson a break.



I disagree with this. The offense was worse with Brunson in the playoffs imo whem he was trying to do too much. Regardless of whether we think Duece can be a point guard or not, he is something this team needs and thrives on. No, he is not irreplaceable. Yes, he has his flaws. However, in today's NBA, these are the guys you need. He's a winning player. He gets it. He came up clutch time and time again. His shooting got better and better. He added more to his offensive game other than a 3 point shot. His rebound against Philly was fuckin awesome when he ripped it out of the Sixer's hands and laid it in. His contract is a home run and a huge reason the Knicks don't want to move him. To those posters saying he has no role, I completely disagree.


Not suggesting they trade him. They need what he does. They also need real depth at guard that can operate an offense, such as what Burks was supposed to help with. Payne signing has zero impact on pushing McBride off the roster.

Anything they get from Kolek is a bonus to me. Be nice if he was filling that role as a rookie but I dont expect it.
RE: RE: Deuce absolutely is better as an off ball guy  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2024 10:16 am : link
In comment 16553953 robbieballs2003 said:
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I domt know why people forget the offense was stuck in mud when he gave Brunson a break.



I disagree with this. The offense was worse with Brunson in the playoffs imo whem he was trying to do too much. Regardless of whether we think Duece can be a point guard or not, he is something this team needs and thrives on. No, he is not irreplaceable. Yes, he has his flaws. However, in today's NBA, these are the guys you need. He's a winning player. He gets it. He came up clutch time and time again. His shooting got better and better. He added more to his offensive game other than a 3 point shot. His rebound against Philly was fuckin awesome when he ripped it out of the Sixer's hands and laid it in. His contract is a home run and a huge reason the Knicks don't want to move him. To those posters saying he has no role, I completely disagree.


He doesnt have a role, there are zero minutes for him if they feel he is better off the ball..

How is he getting minutes right now? Divo and Hart are going to get the bulk of the minutes off the bench, Brunson is going to play 33 to 35 minutes a night, Bridges is going to play 30 to 33 minutes a night..

Even if he is the backup point thats maybe 15 minutes if he is lucky and dont be surprised if they go with lineups with Divo, Bridges, Hart, Randle and a big for the 2nd unit
RE: RE: RE: No inside info but  
Anakim : 7/16/2024 10:17 am : link
In comment 16553945 ajr2456 said:
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I don’t see this being a precursor to an offseason center trade



Maybe this isn't a precursor but do you expect a move to acquire a backup 5 before the season starts?



I don’t anticipate a trade I think they’ll sign someone


Well, no one's available now, but which centers do you foresee getting cut before the season?
Understood.  
robbieballs2003 : 7/16/2024 10:18 am : link
I think it gives them flexibility for a trade during the season if they want but, like you said, also gives them better depth and insurance if they don't. I also see them going small more than they have in the past under Thibs with guys like OG and Bridges playing up. I can see OG playing the 4 when Randle needs a rest and Bridges playing the 3 at times. This will allow McBride and DD to get some burn. Will Randle get some time at the 5? That I am not sure of.
RE: RE: RE: Deuce absolutely is better as an off ball guy  
robbieballs2003 : 7/16/2024 10:21 am : link
In comment 16553962 nygiants16 said:
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I domt know why people forget the offense was stuck in mud when he gave Brunson a break.



I disagree with this. The offense was worse with Brunson in the playoffs imo whem he was trying to do too much. Regardless of whether we think Duece can be a point guard or not, he is something this team needs and thrives on. No, he is not irreplaceable. Yes, he has his flaws. However, in today's NBA, these are the guys you need. He's a winning player. He gets it. He came up clutch time and time again. His shooting got better and better. He added more to his offensive game other than a 3 point shot. His rebound against Philly was fuckin awesome when he ripped it out of the Sixer's hands and laid it in. His contract is a home run and a huge reason the Knicks don't want to move him. To those posters saying he has no role, I completely disagree.



He doesnt have a role, there are zero minutes for him if they feel he is better off the ball..

How is he getting minutes right now? Divo and Hart are going to get the bulk of the minutes off the bench, Brunson is going to play 33 to 35 minutes a night, Bridges is going to play 30 to 33 minutes a night..

Even if he is the backup point thats maybe 15 minutes if he is lucky and dont be surprised if they go with lineups with Divo, Bridges, Hart, Randle and a big for the 2nd unit


I disagree. Divo is so hot and cold. McBride is more consistent. Do you think Payne plays over McBride? Thibs is all about defense. What McBride proved is that he is a role player on this team. His D and O are a great complement to what we are trying to do. Payne as of right now is insurance to me, nothing more.
Payne isnt playing  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2024 10:28 am : link
but would i be surprised if Kolek plays? absolutely not

And deuce is nowhere near Divo, Divo was their 2nd scorer for much of the year because of injuries..

I like deuce but he isnt playing more than 10 minutes a night if everyone is healthy..

Brunson/Deuce
Bridges/Divo
OG/Hart
Randle/OG
Mitch/Backup big

Thibs is going to play Divo and zhart 25 to 30 minutes a night, that means zero minutes for Deuce with Brunson
Ihart  
ajr2456 : 7/16/2024 10:37 am : link
He was definitely coming back until OKC upped their offer

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would’ve taken a pay cut because I loved it (in NY). But I now have an opportunity to make that money, make that pay raise, and still compete. I think that was the main factor."

“They said whatever we can give you, we’re going to give you... I talked to Jalen a couple times, Jalen and the guys. They really wanted me back and I really appreciate that. But it was definitely a hard decision. I couldn’t say no to an opportunity like this."

“I love New York. I love the front office, I loved my team. So It was definitely hard. If it wasn’t a situation where I felt like I really had a chance to win, I probably wouldn’t have left."
RE: Solid move  
djm : 7/16/2024 10:37 am : link
In comment 16553857 AROCK1000 said:
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As much as I like Deuce,I don't know if he can really handle the back up PG position
He may be on his way out...


Deuce is solid but really he's a 2G that can bring the ball up. He's a solid spot up 3 shooting 2 who can defend. He has a decent little mid range game at times and his 3 ball is legit now but he's not an orchestrator. I think he's trade bait.
I shouldn't say trade bait  
djm : 7/16/2024 10:42 am : link
but McBride is sort of a luxury now that the Knicks have Bridges at 2G. HE can still help here but I would think if a deal was to be made for a big they'd deal from the surplus of 2G.

You have Bridges, Divo, Payne, Deuce and even Hart who can all play 2G. You can even use Brunson at 2 if you're playing the kid at PG.

Maybe they sign a FA big and sit on all this surplus for a rainy day. That works too. I aint worried.
Whether they keep or trade Deuce, Payne is a good depth signing.  
Ira : 7/16/2024 10:46 am : link
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RE: Ihart  
Semipro Lineman : 7/16/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16553987 ajr2456 said:
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He was definitely coming back until OKC upped their offer


It was ridiculous there was an argument about this especially since OKC frontloaded their offer to make it more difficult for the Knicks to match. Not everything on BBI needs to be a contentious dispute especially when a poster has a good track record and is obviously not spreading BS.
RE: RE: Ihart  
Optimus-NY : 7/16/2024 11:20 am : link
In comment 16553996 Semipro Lineman said:
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He was definitely coming back until OKC upped their offer




It was ridiculous there was an argument about this especially since OKC frontloaded their offer to make it more difficult for the Knicks to match. Not everything on BBI needs to be a contentious dispute especially when a poster has a good track record and is obviously not spreading BS.


+1
Its pretty obvious  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2024 11:32 am : link
OKC needed to blow Ihart away for him to leave NY and i even bet when they met Ihart told them that
RE: Its pretty obvious  
BigBlueShock : 7/16/2024 11:36 am : link
In comment 16554008 nygiants16 said:
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OKC needed to blow Ihart away for him to leave NY and i even bet when they met Ihart told them that

I wish IHart the best and absolutely don’t blame him for taking the money but I’m not sure how much his model wife is going to enjoy living in Oklahoma City. For that cash, I’m sure they will be just fine but it’s going to be an adjustment, lol
Payne  
Pete44 : 7/16/2024 11:39 am : link
No inside info, but Payne is very close to Mikal Bridges and does give the Knicks insurance of another ball handler when Brunson is out and if Kolek is not ready to play.

That being said, the team needs and some more height, they need Precious and a trade for a back-up center in my mind.
RE: RE: Ihart  
Shecky : 7/16/2024 12:02 pm : link
In comment 16553996 Semipro Lineman said:
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He was definitely coming back until OKC upped their offer




It was ridiculous there was an argument about this especially since OKC frontloaded their offer to make it more difficult for the Knicks to match. Not everything on BBI needs to be a contentious dispute especially when a poster has a good track record and is obviously not spreading BS.


No better way than to get an AJ to stop posting lol. If you don't bat 1.000 it isn't good enough, why bother, right?
RE: RE: RE: Ihart  
robbieballs2003 : 7/16/2024 12:13 pm : link
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He was definitely coming back until OKC upped their offer




It was ridiculous there was an argument about this especially since OKC frontloaded their offer to make it more difficult for the Knicks to match. Not everything on BBI needs to be a contentious dispute especially when a poster has a good track record and is obviously not spreading BS.



No better way than to get an AJ to stop posting lol. If you don't bat 1.000 it isn't good enough, why bother, right?


1. Were people really giving him shit?

2. The only thing I saw related to this, I commented to ajr directly. That situation, if I remember it correctly, was that he said IHart is coming back but, when asked to elaborate in it, he said the Knicks expect him back.

If that is what we are talking about, that is a legit thing to point out. Those are two different things. We appreciate what ajr brings. Is that even in question? However, with this situation, you can understand the difference between saying he is expected back and he is back. That is all.
RE: RE: Its pretty obvious  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2024 12:17 pm : link
In comment 16554009 BigBlueShock said:
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OKC needed to blow Ihart away for him to leave NY and i even bet when they met Ihart told them that


I wish IHart the best and absolutely don’t blame him for taking the money but I’m not sure how much his model wife is going to enjoy living in Oklahoma City. For that cash, I’m sure they will be just fine but it’s going to be an adjustment, lol


I wonder if it was a 4 year deal if he would of accepted
I wouldn't be surprised to see iHart back as a Knicks in two years.  
Optimus-NY : 7/16/2024 12:40 pm : link
His deal with OKC is for 3 years, but if I recall correctly, the Thunder have a team option for Year #3 and may very well opt out of his third year due to all the cap money they might need to allocate elsewhere on their talent-rich roster. Mitch is a FA in 2 years too. Things may just work out for a reunion between iHart and the Knickerbockers then.
Comment from Sixers SB Nation re Payne  
shyster : 7/16/2024 1:24 pm : link
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i think the 3 million dollar question here is why the hell did we keep "Cooked Kyle" here instead of Cam? I feel like i'm taking crazy pills after seeing just how much Lowry sucked in the postseason (and pretty bad in the regular season) while Cam actually played 10x better than him.


Indeed.


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RE: Hate this signing  
81_Great_Dane : 7/16/2024 1:56 pm : link
In comment 16553862 GMEN46 said:
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I don’t like anything about it. He is a bad player and obnoxious to watch play basketball. He adds nothing to this roster.
When I saw the news, my first reaction was "Why?" Didn't see this coming at all.

Ok, since I've learned that he's a combo guard who is supposed to be a pretty good 3-point shooter. So I guess I see the logic of it. They don't see Deuce as a true facilitating point guard, they're not (yet) ready to rely on Kolek as the primary backup to Brunson, so they got a cheap veteran who can give them some minutes at PG, play good defense and knock down an occasional 3.

My guess is Kolek passes him early in the season; Payne is relegated to the end of the bench in the veteran-depth-but-out-of-the-rotation role, and is traded at the deadline.

It could mean Deuce is going but I don't think that's what's behind the move.

Generally, I trust this regime so I'm not going to slam the move.

Wonder if the 76ers tried to keep him...
How good is Payne on defense?  
Ira : 7/16/2024 2:27 pm : link
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Reminder - Knicks v Nets in SL at 4:30 ET  
Del Shofner : 7/16/2024 3:17 pm : link
- not sure I'll have it on TV here, but gonna check.
In the latest case of Man bites Dog  
Semipro Lineman : 7/16/2024 3:24 pm : link
or vise versa; James Dolan is criticizing the NBA's latest revenue sharing and media deals. I see his points but I'm sure there is a counter argument from the NBA...
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Ihart  
Semipro Lineman : 7/16/2024 3:26 pm : link
In comment 16554025 robbieballs2003 said:
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1. Were people really giving him shit?


It wasn't you.
RE: In the latest case of Man bites Dog  
Del Shofner : 7/16/2024 3:29 pm : link
In comment 16554186 Semipro Lineman said:
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or vise versa; James Dolan is criticizing the NBA's latest revenue sharing and media deals. I see his points but I'm sure there is a counter argument from the NBA... Link - ( New Window )


I dislike Dolan as much as any Knicks fan, but MSGE is a public company and the NBA deal is unfavorable economically to the company as it's bad for RSN's like MSG. He probably feels he has a duty to shareholders to speak out against it. He resigned from the finance committee (or something similar) of the NBA over issues like this.

RE: Reminder - Knicks v Nets in SL at 4:30 ET  
Del Shofner : 7/16/2024 4:13 pm : link
In comment 16554173 Del Shofner said:
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- not sure I'll have it on TV here, but gonna check.


The game is on NBAHD here...
Knicks-  
Del Shofner : 7/16/2024 4:38 pm : link
A. Hukporti C
J. Toppin F
P. Dadiet F
T. Kolek G
D. Washington Jr. G
RE: Knicks-  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/16/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16554259 Del Shofner said:
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A. Hukporti C
J. Toppin F
P. Dadiet F
T. Kolek G
D. Washington Jr. G


You can tell how skilled Dadiet is on defense. Seems like they may have gotten a stud defender.
This Nets squad looks horrendous.  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2024 4:53 pm : link
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My  
DanMetroMan : 7/16/2024 5:01 pm : link
boy Kolek, doing Kolek things
I don’t know who this Baugh kid is  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/16/2024 5:06 pm : link
But he looks pretty good too.
Kolek the maestro.  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2024 5:06 pm : link
Dadiet can’t buy a basket but he’s playing defense and crashing the boards.
Dadiet looks very talented and love how he’s crashing the boards  
Anakim : 7/16/2024 5:06 pm : link
But man, he cannot buy a basket
RE: Kolek the maestro.  
Anakim : 7/16/2024 5:07 pm : link
In comment 16554277 bceagle05 said:
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Dadiet can’t buy a basket but he’s playing defense and crashing the boards.


Or what you said!
RE: Dadiet looks very talented and love how he’s crashing the boards  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/16/2024 5:15 pm : link
In comment 16554278 Anakim said:
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But man, he cannot buy a basket


He needs a lot of work on offense lol
Hukporti looks older than Taj Gibson.  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2024 5:19 pm : link
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Kolek  
Jon In NYC : 7/16/2024 5:27 pm : link
is so freaking good. Just makes every right read consistently.
Well, we kind of fell apart at the end  
Anakim : 7/16/2024 5:28 pm : link
But Washington and Toppin looked good for the most part
RE: Kolek  
Jon In NYC : 7/16/2024 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16554297 Jon In NYC said:
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is so freaking good. Just makes every right read consistently.


10 assists, 0 turnovers through 6 quarters.
RE: RE: Kolek  
Doubledeuce22 : 7/16/2024 5:38 pm : link
In comment 16554300 Jon In NYC said:
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In comment 16554297 Jon In NYC said:


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is so freaking good. Just makes every right read consistently.



10 assists, 0 turnovers through 6 quarters.


I didn’t want him at all and will gladly eat my words. Looks real good.
Dadiet!  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2024 5:41 pm : link
Back to back threes - looked like he got fouled on the second one too.
Can this Juwan Howard interview  
bceagle05 : 7/16/2024 5:46 pm : link
be any longer?
Dadiet looks pretty darn good for an 18-year-old, except  
81_Great_Dane : 7/16/2024 5:57 pm : link
for that missing-shots thing.

Skapintsev looks better than Hukporti to me.
You can definitely see what the Knicks  
larryflower37 : 7/16/2024 5:57 pm : link
Saw in Dadiet, He is the prototype and only 18 they can mold him into a big time 3d wing and don't need him for a couple years
Its always hilarious to me  
nygiants16 : 7/16/2024 6:18 pm : link
watching aummer league and you get guys who just constantly force up bad shot or turn the ball over thinking their scoring is going to impress a team...

Nobody is looking at summer league for a scorer..

Kolek should have the ball every time down the court, he knows how to control an offense and he is constantly getting guys wide open shots
I shouldn’t be this annoyed by a summer league game  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/16/2024 6:23 pm : link
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RE: Its always hilarious to me  
81_Great_Dane : 7/16/2024 6:57 pm : link
In comment 16554345 nygiants16 said:
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watching aummer league and you get guys who just constantly force up bad shot or turn the ball over thinking their scoring is going to impress a team...

Nobody is looking at summer league for a scorer..

Kolek should have the ball every time down the court, he knows how to control an offense and he is constantly getting guys wide open shots
It was interesting to see Kolek start taking shots down the stretch, basically seeming to say "Fuck this, I'm taking over." He'll probably turn out to be a better scorer than anyone on this SL roster except maybe Dadiet. He's been very disciplined about being a facilitator but he's too competitive to keep giving the ball up to lesser players when the game's on the line -- even a summer league game.
Alex Sarr....oooof  
Anakim : 7/16/2024 10:32 pm : link
0 points
0/15 FG
0/7 3PT
0/2 FT
RE: Alex Sarr....oooof  
Del Shofner : 7/16/2024 10:42 pm : link
In comment 16554497 Anakim said:
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0 points
0/15 FG
0/7 3PT
0/2 FT


lol - even though it's just summer league, I think it's a shock to the system for a lot of these guys - things will even out eventually
I’ve never paid any attention to the Westchester squad  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2024 12:00 am : link
but I’ll definitely keep an eye on Dadiet this year. I can see why they liked him.
RE: Alex Sarr....oooof  
BigBlueShock : 7/17/2024 8:48 am : link
In comment 16554497 Anakim said:
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0 points
0/15 FG
0/7 3PT
0/2 FT

That is really something. My old, fat ass could have gone out there tripping on LSD and put up those numbers
Dadiet  
Pete44 : 7/17/2024 8:55 am : link
definitely has talent and a good motor, the shooting could come. They might have something, good idea taking a high upside prospect after trading all those picks.
RE: Dadiet  
Semipro Lineman : 7/17/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16554582 Pete44 said:
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definitely has talent and a good motor, the shooting could come. They might have something, good idea taking a high upside prospect after trading all those picks.


Lock Dadiet in a gym with shooting coach Dave Hopla and don't let him out for a month. Just ship in food three times a day. By the way, Knicks Shooting Coach Hopla has been with the team for twelve years which means he came in with either Mike D'Antoni or Mike Woodson. I think that it's incredible that's he still around.

Link - ( New Window )
I think  
Enzo : 7/17/2024 10:09 am : link
Hopla has been gone for years.
RE: I think  
Semipro Lineman : 7/17/2024 10:33 am : link
In comment 16554661 Enzo said:
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Hopla has been gone for years.


Damn, my bad. The link I saw made it seem current. Do you know who took his place?
Knicks SL on again today at 3:30 ET  
Del Shofner : 7/17/2024 10:46 am : link
vs Sacramento
Not worried about Dadiet's shooting at all  
Stu11 : 7/17/2024 11:59 am : link
His form looks good, and he moves like an NBA player, he's just had a few games where nothing is falling. Every player goes through that. You have to love what you've seen from him defensively and rebounding wise and his athleticism. Seems like a really good upside pick.
lol  
DanMetroMan : 7/17/2024 12:54 pm : link
Randle- Zubav  
Pete44 : 7/17/2024 1:06 pm : link
is nonsense, but I have always said on this site, that much of the league looks at being a 6th man as Randle's best role on a team.
Damn  
Semipro Lineman : 7/17/2024 1:08 pm : link
I'm old enough to remember when Heavy was a pop culture/music website with a sumo wrestler as the logo. And I'm sure their former alt music critics could make up a better trade proposal than that dumb nonsense.
RE: Randle- Zubav  
moze1021 : 7/17/2024 1:44 pm : link
In comment 16554869 Pete44 said:
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is nonsense, but I have always said on this site, that much of the league looks at being a 6th man as Randle's best role on a team.


I don't think "the league" thinks that way at all. I think "fans" and some media do.

6th men don't make All NBA teams.
RE: RE: Randle- Zubav  
Dr. D : 7/17/2024 1:54 pm : link
In comment 16554888 moze1021 said:
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In comment 16554869 Pete44 said:


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is nonsense, but I have always said on this site, that much of the league looks at being a 6th man as Randle's best role on a team.



I don't think "the league" thinks that way at all. I think "fans" and some media do.

6th men don't make All NBA teams.

Agreed, who was the last player that went from averaging 24-25 pts, 10 rebs & 5 assists, to being a 6th man, while still in his 20s (or just turned 30)?

No one? This idea of Randle coming off the bench is beyond silly. I bet Thibs would laugh at that.
RE: Randle- Zubav  
BigBlueShock : 7/17/2024 2:05 pm : link
In comment 16554869 Pete44 said:
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is nonsense, but I have always said on this site, that much of the league looks at being a 6th man as Randle's best role on a team.

You can repeat it all you want. Repeating time after time doesn’t prove that you don’t know a damn thing about what the entire league thinks. You pull your opinions from Twitter/X, Macri specifically so can we please stop pretending that you’re an insider? It’s a massive disservice to those on this site that do actually provide good, inside info
I mean, that's some Knicks for Clicks shit  
Jan in DC : 7/17/2024 2:56 pm : link
Why would we trade Randle for 2 players when our rotation is already crowded?

Trade an All-NBA player for a backup center? Post that shit!
Love seeing Embiid’s flopping get ignored  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2024 3:00 pm : link
during international play - hope NBA refs are paying attention.
I try to watch these Summer League games  
bceagle05 : 7/17/2024 3:40 pm : link
but Duane Washington ruins them all.
RE: Knicks SL on again today at 3:30 ET  
Del Shofner : 7/17/2024 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16554696 Del Shofner said:
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vs Sacramento


Knicks-

A. Hukporti C
P. Dadiet F
T. Kolek G
D. Baugh G
D. Washington Jr. PG
I think Kolek  
Jon In NYC : 7/17/2024 3:44 pm : link
has scored or assisted every point so far.
RE: I try to watch these Summer League games  
nygiants16 : 7/17/2024 3:48 pm : link
In comment 16554989 bceagle05 said:
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but Duane Washington ruins them all.


Always looks off Kolek then dribbles into 2 guys and either forces up a shot or turns it over..

Funny when Kolek has the ball the Knicks always seem to get an open look
Is Hukporti related to Greg Oden?  
Anakim : 7/17/2024 4:15 pm : link
He looks older than LeBron
RE: Is Hukporti related to Greg Oden?  
Optimus-NY : 7/17/2024 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16555012 Anakim said:
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He looks older than LeBron


lol
Kolek the game winner And 1 drive  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 7/17/2024 5:26 pm : link
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