that would love to pair up Aiyuk, Nabers and Wan'dale with Hyatt's potential. I doubt the Giants would be able to afford the asking price but it'd be another transformation of the offense in the right direction.
like the Steelers and Commanders are the two likely landing spots if he does get traded. He's great, but if we're going to be any good we need our draft picks to play well and we have 3 high ones at receiver plus Slayton.
like the Steelers and Commanders are the two likely landing spots if he does get traded. He's great, but if we're going to be any good we need our draft picks to play well and we have 3 high ones at receiver plus Slayton.
Commies have McLaurin and recently spent a 1st on Dotson. Pittsburgh does make sense as Wilson did have success with Lockett in Seattle. I could see Tampa having interest as Mike Evans isn't getting any younger and Godwin has had durability issues.
Slayton would have to be part of the deal in my opinion
like the Steelers and Commanders are the two likely landing spots if he does get traded. He's great, but if we're going to be any good we need our draft picks to play well and we have 3 high ones at receiver plus Slayton.
Bills make the most sense to me.
the 7th leading receiver in yards with 30-65 fewer targets
like the Steelers and Commanders are the two likely landing spots if he does get traded. He's great, but if we're going to be any good we need our draft picks to play well and we have 3 high ones at receiver plus Slayton.
Bills make the most sense to me.
dont think they have the $ for it. with all their purging this year, they are still on pace to be over the cap in 2025 and eventually they are going to have to give allen a raise.
that's why schoen and morgan were joking around with beane that he doesnt even have the money to pay a top 10 pick.
For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
I think some of that is true, but Aiyuk was a first round draft choice. It's not like San Fran found him on day three. He's got plus skills in a lot of phases.
If I'm the Shanahan, I would move off Deebo before Aiyuk. Deebo is two years older, and he plays the game at a very physical level that would suggest wear and tear will accelerate.
dont think they have the $ for it. with all their purging this year, they are still on pace to be over the cap in 2025 and eventually they are going to have to give allen a raise.
that's why schoen and morgan were joking around with beane that he doesnt even have the money to pay a top 10 pick.
Yeah, you may be right. Those contracts for Miller and Oliver have a significant impact on the cap.
in 2024 (moreso than most other teams). Especially while they have Purdy at the league min. Maybe they would take draft picks only if the situation can't be resolved, but any trade offer probably has to include at least some type of player that can help them this year.
He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
nothing is ever totally impossible, but that's close with what they are already paying devonta smith/ajb. hard to envision spending close to 1/3 of the cap on 3 WRs no matter how much they borrow from future seasons.
For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
Moore? Evans? Please.But regardless, listening 10 guys you take over him isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of indicating he’s a “#2” receiver. He’d instantly be the best receiver on over half the teams in the league. That’s not #2 material if you ask me
Per CD lamb (giving his top 5 in the game mentions him . Said he is uncoverable and has moves that are super. I think people are sleeping on him and I wouldn’t be surprised if he is our leading receiver this year.
For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
Moore? Evans? Please.But regardless, listening 10 guys you take over him isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of indicating he’s a “#2” receiver. He’d instantly be the best receiver on over half the teams in the league. That’s not #2 material if you ask me
The first 7 guys are legit No. 1 NFL receivers. Just because there’s 32 teams doesn’t mean there’s 32 No. 1 receivers. And Evans is a Hall of Fame WR. He’s been a legit #1 for a long time, he’s just older now and past his prime. Still a solid player that Aiyuk is comparable to.
Has had 1000 yards in of 4 out of the last 5 seasons, playing with terrible QBs in Carolina and Chicago. He has just as much an argument being a No. 1 as Aiyuk does.
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
RE: We’ve seen a bunch of WRs achieve good stats on bad teams
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
Aiyuk hasn't been much of YAC guy, FWIW. I'm not sure how to quite interpret that, but he's been out of the top 30 back-to-back years.
but he’s YAC is similar to Lambs (actually better on a per catch basis), so I’m not sure how much it matters. Aiyuk also ran deeper routes this past season, almost 14 air yards per target. Give him Lambs targets and I think you see very similar production.
RE: We’ve seen a bunch of WRs achieve good stats on bad teams
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
constantly behind and they throw more, inflating his stats. Works both ways.
More targets doesn’t mean all he’s metrics hold, for example his yards per catch likely decrease. But do you actually think he’s not putting up top WR production with 50 more targets? Come on man.
He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
“Solid”? lol.
Semantics. Maybe you hate the word solid that’s fine. He’s a damn good player I just don’t think he’s a super star or one of those pantheon elite WRs. Call him very good or whatever you want to call him. He’s not Jefferson or chase or that very top tier, at least not yet. Don’t think he’ll ever be but I don’t want to ring the guy as a player I’d love him here but nyg ain’t trading resources for a wr. Not today anyway.
He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
RE: RE: RE: We’ve seen a bunch of WRs achieve good stats on bad teams
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
You can't knock a player who has good teammates.
*because he has good teammates
So Far Hyatt is a bust. Slayton Produced more as a rookie
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
So what, the Offense #1 is McCaffrey! Since when is arguably the best Offense in Football contingent only on ONE PLAYER? If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
Ands if you are too blind to see that Ayuk has been the number 1 option on the passing attack for one of the top offense in the NFL over Pro Bowl caliber players like Deebo and Kittle then I don't know what to tell you.
Your point is completely wrong. Teams have to worry about Ayuk so it makes Kittle and Deebo that much better. Otherwise if teams were worrying so much about Kittle (or Deebo) as you seem to want to exaggerate, then why aren't they the #1 Receiver?
RE: We’ve seen a bunch of WRs achieve good stats on bad teams
when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
This. Some criminal underrating of Aiyuk by some. He’s been the best passing option on that team for a couple of years now. Give him the volume some of those top guys get and this wouldn’t be a debate.
falls into the “not a #1 category” since he’s limited athletically. 2022 was his best statistical season and with 30 more targets he fell well short of Aiyuks 2023 production despite playing next to Brown and with that elite run game. Swap Smith for Aiyuk on the Eagles and…oh boy.
Both of these players are elite route runners but Aiyuk is better physically and firmly in my top 10 and definitely a #1 WR.
I agree that trade for and paying top money to a WR right now would be an AWFUL use of resources.
In Nabers, WanDale, Slayton and Hyatt WR is a very good and cost controlled unit. The WR talent already exceeds the QB/OL talent. Tilting that more is a very bad idea.
Doubt it post draft after getting Nabers. We’d have to give up a big pick + and I think that’s reserved for a QB should things not work out this year.
I wouldn't even offer that, considering what he'll cost.
This would be like the Eagles adding Brown and Smith.
Lol what? Purdy is trash, aiyuk was open so many times. Aiyuk is a top 10 wide receiver
Commies have McLaurin and recently spent a 1st on Dotson. Pittsburgh does make sense as Wilson did have success with Lockett in Seattle. I could see Tampa having interest as Mike Evans isn't getting any younger and Godwin has had durability issues.
I rather spend money elsewhere right now and run the WR core we have now.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
Bills make the most sense to me.
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like the Steelers and Commanders are the two likely landing spots if he does get traded. He's great, but if we're going to be any good we need our draft picks to play well and we have 3 high ones at receiver plus Slayton.
Bills make the most sense to me.
dont think they have the $ for it. with all their purging this year, they are still on pace to be over the cap in 2025 and eventually they are going to have to give allen a raise.
that's why schoen and morgan were joking around with beane that he doesnt even have the money to pay a top 10 pick.
one can dream right?
Evan Neal?
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
I think some of that is true, but Aiyuk was a first round draft choice. It's not like San Fran found him on day three. He's got plus skills in a lot of phases.
If I'm the Shanahan, I would move off Deebo before Aiyuk. Deebo is two years older, and he plays the game at a very physical level that would suggest wear and tear will accelerate.
dont think they have the $ for it. with all their purging this year, they are still on pace to be over the cap in 2025 and eventually they are going to have to give allen a raise.
that's why schoen and morgan were joking around with beane that he doesnt even have the money to pay a top 10 pick.
Yeah, you may be right. Those contracts for Miller and Oliver have a significant impact on the cap.
Did you write Slayton's name by accident?
Patriots or Arizona (ton of cap this/next season)
Did you write Slayton's name by accident?
I was contemplating Nabers, but figured upping the ante and going with Slayton would be more fair.
Patriots or Arizona (ton of cap this/next season)
2 good guesses. both were pretty widely rumored as possibilities around draft.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
Lol what? Purdy is trash, aiyuk was open so many times. Aiyuk is a top 10 wide receiver
Yea ill see your "lol what" and raise you a WTF are you talking about. Purdy is anything but trash. Watch the guy play.
“Solid”? lol.
nothing is ever totally impossible, but that's close with what they are already paying devonta smith/ajb. hard to envision spending close to 1/3 of the cap on 3 WRs no matter how much they borrow from future seasons.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
Moore? Evans? Please.But regardless, listening 10 guys you take over him isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of indicating he’s a “#2” receiver. He’d instantly be the best receiver on over half the teams in the league. That’s not #2 material if you ask me
Why don’t you run the numbers on him getting #1 target share. He’s pretty much a top 10 WR with only 6 targets a game, that’s absurd.
He's a very good player, and will get rewarded handsomely.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Any player playing with good players benefits by those around him. And he was good before CMC got there. But he’s absolutely a #1 WR, all the metrics along with the eye test prove it.
Jefferson, Hill, Chase, Lamb, Brown are probably the only established WRs I take over him definitively. There are definitely not 9 or 10 better WRs.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
Moore? Evans? Please.But regardless, listening 10 guys you take over him isn’t anywhere in the stratosphere of indicating he’s a “#2” receiver. He’d instantly be the best receiver on over half the teams in the league. That’s not #2 material if you ask me
The first 7 guys are legit No. 1 NFL receivers. Just because there’s 32 teams doesn’t mean there’s 32 No. 1 receivers. And Evans is a Hall of Fame WR. He’s been a legit #1 for a long time, he’s just older now and past his prime. Still a solid player that Aiyuk is comparable to.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
Aiyuk hasn't been much of YAC guy, FWIW. I'm not sure how to quite interpret that, but he's been out of the top 30 back-to-back years.
Here are 10 guys I would take over Aiyuk
Hill
Jefferson
Lamb
Chase
Adams
Brown
Nacua
Moore
Wilson
Evans (older but still solid)
Amon-Ra should be on this list. Dude still gets no love
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
More targets doesn’t mean all he’s metrics hold, for example his yards per catch likely decrease. But do you actually think he’s not putting up top WR production with 50 more targets? Come on man.
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He's basically Amani Toomer circa 2000-2003. Beast is a little much. When I think of beats at WR I think Beckham 2015. Jamar Chase. Randy Moss. Torry Holt. Aiyuk isn't that guy.
“Solid”? lol.
Semantics. Maybe you hate the word solid that’s fine. He’s a damn good player I just don’t think he’s a super star or one of those pantheon elite WRs. Call him very good or whatever you want to call him. He’s not Jefferson or chase or that very top tier, at least not yet. Don’t think he’ll ever be but I don’t want to ring the guy as a player I’d love him here but nyg ain’t trading resources for a wr. Not today anyway.
Nuts.
Nuts.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
You're doubling-down on "nuts?"
Toomer? No way was Toomer as good as him.
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For a guy that is a solid No. 2 receiver. He doesn’t tilt the field for the Niners and he’s not a guy you trade big time assets for IMO.
To each their own but your stance makes it sound like you don’t watch the games.
There’s about 5-10 true No. I receivers in football. He isn’t one of them. He benefits from playing with McCaffrey, Kittles, and Deebo.
Or that guys like Deebo and Kittles benefit playing with him at this point in their careers?
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when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
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In comment 16554406 UConn4523 said:
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when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets.
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Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
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other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
You can't knock a player who has good teammates.
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other players playing with plus QBs, plus OLs, etc. AJ Brown was very good in Tennessee getting the same target share as Aiyuk, then leaves, becomes the alpha, gets 50 more targets and becomes a top 5 WR. This isn’t rocket science.
Also, PFF ranks Aiyuk #8 citing his exceptional route running and QB rating on targets. PFF - ( New Window )
Yes, let’s use PFF rankings to say he’s elite. The fact of the matter is that Aiyuk has never caught over 10 TDs in any season, and has one season over 1100 yards and 2 seasons of over 1000 yards total. He’s a solid receiver, but IMO he doesn’t tilt the field like those 5-7 receivers I mentioned above.
You can't knock a player who has good teammates.
*because he has good teammates
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when you are the #1 and getting 9/10 targets a game, you are going to get 1000 yards. I like Moore, but Aiyuk simply does more with less volume and there’s nothing to suggest he wouldn’t be putting up top 5 production with an increase in targets, even a moderate one. Again, he had 105 targets, and he made them count.
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
I understand what you are saying, but more volume doesn’t always equal more stats. NFL teams game plan around Moore and limiting his Catches and YAC. On the Niners team game plan around McCaffrey and then it’s Kittle/Aiyuk/Samuel, depending on the defensive coordinator for that week.
As you say "not all volume leads to more stats" but that doesn't mean that "more volume CAN RESULT IN more stats."
Secondly, the past two years Ayuk has been the leading Receiver on a high-powered Offense yet you choose to lump him togther with Deebo and Kittles even though they are behind him for 2 straight years.
And as a result, the clear fact is for such an elite Offense for players like Deebo and Kittles that Ayuk can beat out, highlights how good he is.
The focal point of the offense is McCaffrey. If you can’t see that, then I don’t know what to tell you. Secondly in the last 2 seasons George Kittle has 17 Touchdown receptions to Aiyuk’s 15 on 27 less targets. My point is that teams have to worry about Kittles and Samuel and don’t have to a large portion of their game plan on stopping Aiyuk. (Consistently shading a safety to his side of the field, or having the No. 1 corner traveling with Aiyuk).
So what, the Offense #1 is McCaffrey! Since when is arguably the best Offense in Football contingent only on ONE PLAYER? If you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.
Ands if you are too blind to see that Ayuk has been the number 1 option on the passing attack for one of the top offense in the NFL over Pro Bowl caliber players like Deebo and Kittle then I don't know what to tell you.
Your point is completely wrong. Teams have to worry about Ayuk so it makes Kittle and Deebo that much better. Otherwise if teams were worrying so much about Kittle (or Deebo) as you seem to want to exaggerate, then why aren't they the #1 Receiver?
What do you think Aiyuk posts with 50 more targets? And that would still put him on the lower end of what the top WRs in the league see each season. He was 36th in targets last season, 76 less than Lamb but finished 7th in yards behind Moore who played 1 more game.
“Solid” is such an inaccurate assessment of Aiyuks ability and results.
This. Some criminal underrating of Aiyuk by some. He’s been the best passing option on that team for a couple of years now. Give him the volume some of those top guys get and this wouldn’t be a debate.
Both of these players are elite route runners but Aiyuk is better physically and firmly in my top 10 and definitely a #1 WR.
In Nabers, WanDale, Slayton and Hyatt WR is a very good and cost controlled unit. The WR talent already exceeds the QB/OL talent. Tilting that more is a very bad idea.