this is the best non-game content from any sports team ive ever seen. i cannot relate to the complaints. i dont think people realize how much they are learning about how this all actually works that they didnt understand prior. nyg deserve praise for doing this and embracing something that hadnt been done before.
This is our empty calories indulgence for any of us who are interested in how a team is made. Anyone who isn't enjoying the heck out of the show is nuts.
Off Season Hard Knocks is 10x better than training camp
spare me highlights that I read on BBI & twitter daily and the 90th player fighting for a roster spot story...... Off season has been outstanding. Keeping in mind its edited of course.
Probably wouldn't watch if it were another team, however, I know I would find the clips from it interesting.
RE: Off Season Hard Knocks is 10x better than training camp
spare me highlights that I read on BBI & twitter daily and the 90th player fighting for a roster spot story...... Off season has been outstanding. Keeping in mind its edited of course.
Probably wouldn't watch if it were another team, however, I know I would find the clips from it interesting.
Yeah, I agree it's 10x better, but I do think the offseason would interest me with any team. It just happens to be the Giants, and I'm completely dialed in, but the process is fascinating to watch. Like Pelissero said, feels like your fantasy draft.
I don't really see much being given away that could hurt the team down the road. The list of defensive positions valued is pretty well known. The Giants are looking to upgrade QB, anyone should know that. Maybe Daboll interviewing the QBs but I would think they are showing pretty standard interview questions there. I'm sure there was a lot to the interviews not aired.
I’ve never watched any HK for longer than 5 min before turning it off. The offseason model is great. The fact it is nyg can only help in terms of my interest but I think I’d be into watching any team do this.
I thought it might be over his head and/or fail to keep his attention.
We made it through ~1.5 episodes before it was his bedtime.
To my surprise, he was locked in and said "this is really good. Don't watch more without me."
No complaints here. I'm sure things could always be better or different/additional topics included, but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. Hours of high production quality content about my favorite team isn't easy to come by.
to be entertained by and appreciative of the level of access to our favorite team, while at the same time, being absolutely horrified by how the team is run and decisions are made?
I'm basically hate-watching the show, at this point.
to be entertained by and appreciative of the level of access to our favorite team, while at the same time, being absolutely horrified by how the team is run and decisions are made?
I'm basically hate-watching the show, at this point.
What is your issue with how decisions were made this past off season?
And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
they are showing a very dumbed down version of everything. i dont think we've heard a single stat or analytic cited other than burns sack total. i think that's a combination of team preference to not show their actual decision making emphasis and HBO knowing most casual fans would be bored by that.
And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
Almost surely the Giants didn’t want their in-depth discussions about players to be shown. What analytics they use, what metrics they focus on, what stats they think indicate consistent future production… If they let that out the whole league would know how they rank players and every team would be able to predict who the Giants make offers to or who’ll they’ll draft.
Also, the Giants surely don’t want their negative reviews of players to get out, because they don’t want to burn bridges or piss off agents.
I think a lot of the conversations, particularly in episode 3 were we staged versions of prior conversations.
we also havent seen them discuss any of their own FA they brought back
or any of the TEs they signed,
or waller,
or guys like jordan phillips/jalen mills.
they (HK) clearly fixed the storyline on the top handful of FA the giants were going after, which the giants were likely ok with because there's very little harm in that. they signed 3/5 guys they were focused on and 1 of the ones they didnt was tyrod taylor.
the only unknown FA information that got is they liked robert hunt, which was obviously common enough knowledge since he got $100m.
And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
Almost surely the Giants didn’t want their in-depth discussions about players to be shown. What analytics they use, what metrics they focus on, what stats they think indicate consistent future production… If they let that out the whole league would know how they rank players and every team would be able to predict who the Giants make offers to or who’ll they’ll draft.
Also, the Giants surely don’t want their negative reviews of players to get out, because they don’t want to burn bridges or piss off agents.
I think a lot of the conversations, particularly in episode 3 were we staged versions of prior conversations.
Most of the communication has been platitudes and silly throw away lines. You could basically hear the director yell "action" when Daboll pulled out his phone and listed off the Tennessee defensive rankings.
But what's hard to fake is the dynamics between the principals, and who is at least in the room for the surface level conversations.
The two pale blonde guys seem out of place among the pros. That's my biggest observation.
Most of the communication has been platitudes and silly throw away lines. You could basically hear the director yell "action" when Daboll pulled out his phone and listed off the Tennessee defensive rankings.
I'm guessing you were disappointed when a group in Schaboll's office were talking traditional sacks and how many Burns has averaged per year...?
I am excited to see the next episode regarding Nubin. They light up when talking about him. Bowens reactions to Nubin and Burns get me excited for the D. I think Bowen is an upgrade over Wink and I loved Wink before he got here.
While some stuff many be quasi-staged/edited a certain way, I'm surprised how raw some of the content is...
Probably wouldn't watch if it were another team, however, I know I would find the clips from it interesting.
Probably wouldn't watch if it were another team, however, I know I would find the clips from it interesting.
Yeah, I agree it's 10x better, but I do think the offseason would interest me with any team. It just happens to be the Giants, and I'm completely dialed in, but the process is fascinating to watch. Like Pelissero said, feels like your fantasy draft.
I know, we're all thinking "if only lugnut was running our team, we'd be stacking championships..."
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I know, we're all thinking "if only lugnut was running our team, we'd be stacking championships..."
LOL That's what I was thinking
I thought it might be over his head and/or fail to keep his attention.
We made it through ~1.5 episodes before it was his bedtime.
To my surprise, he was locked in and said "this is really good. Don't watch more without me."
No complaints here. I'm sure things could always be better or different/additional topics included, but I won't look a gift horse in the mouth. Hours of high production quality content about my favorite team isn't easy to come by.
I'm basically hate-watching the show, at this point.
I'm basically hate-watching the show, at this point.
What is your issue with how decisions were made this past off season?
Even the edited stuff is really interesting, but it's just left me hungry for more!
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
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Now granted it's a TV show so it could all be complete BS. I actually hope it is.
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
they are showing a very dumbed down version of everything. i dont think we've heard a single stat or analytic cited other than burns sack total. i think that's a combination of team preference to not show their actual decision making emphasis and HBO knowing most casual fans would be bored by that.
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
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Now granted it's a TV show so it could all be complete BS. I actually hope it is.
Yeah, my only hope is it's dumbed down for TV.
But the whole operation feels rudimentary and unserious.
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
Almost surely the Giants didn’t want their in-depth discussions about players to be shown. What analytics they use, what metrics they focus on, what stats they think indicate consistent future production… If they let that out the whole league would know how they rank players and every team would be able to predict who the Giants make offers to or who’ll they’ll draft.
Also, the Giants surely don’t want their negative reviews of players to get out, because they don’t want to burn bridges or piss off agents.
I think a lot of the conversations, particularly in episode 3 were we staged versions of prior conversations.
or waller,
or guys like jordan phillips/jalen mills.
they (HK) clearly fixed the storyline on the top handful of FA the giants were going after, which the giants were likely ok with because there's very little harm in that. they signed 3/5 guys they were focused on and 1 of the ones they didnt was tyrod taylor.
the only unknown FA information that got is they liked robert hunt, which was obviously common enough knowledge since he got $100m.
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I know, we're all thinking "if only lugnut was running our team, we'd be stacking championships..."
LOL That's what I was thinking
Could be worse. It could be you.
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And all I can say is, I’m not impressed by a single person in Giants management. Not one.
I hate to say it but I tend to agree with this. Daboll impressed me in the 2nd episode but that's about it.
I feel like there are more meaningful, thoughtful and in-depth conversations on BBI than there are in Schoen's office.
Almost surely the Giants didn’t want their in-depth discussions about players to be shown. What analytics they use, what metrics they focus on, what stats they think indicate consistent future production… If they let that out the whole league would know how they rank players and every team would be able to predict who the Giants make offers to or who’ll they’ll draft.
Also, the Giants surely don’t want their negative reviews of players to get out, because they don’t want to burn bridges or piss off agents.
I think a lot of the conversations, particularly in episode 3 were we staged versions of prior conversations.
Quality response.
But what's hard to fake is the dynamics between the principals, and who is at least in the room for the surface level conversations.
The two pale blonde guys seem out of place among the pros. That's my biggest observation.
I'm guessing you were disappointed when a group in Schaboll's office were talking traditional sacks and how many Burns has averaged per year...?
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This Schoen and Dabolls 3 year - if you can't see the difference in the talent level of this team - don't what to tell you.