move to Guard in the future if his career is to be salvaged. While it is too early to freak out the fact is he has been injured a decent amount and he has not exactly been stellar when healthy.
This is when we find out what Schabs are really made of …
Neal was their guy and they simply cannot go deep into camp without being 100% sure of his status and availability. They have maybe 2-3 weeks at most to either get him on the field in pads or execute plan B … and plan B must include someone not currently on the roster.
Gotta hope JE is running with the 1s at RT from day 1.
I get that they didn't have that many picks, but if last season should have taught this front office anything it's that they need competent depth at the swing tackle position.
RE: Gotta hope JE is running with the 1s at RT from day 1.
He most likely will be a guard. Everyone can save face.
Seeing him for 2 years, he never played like a competent NFL tackle consistently. You can’t have that on the outside. I do think he can be an excellent guard so maybe we can salvage something.
It’s beyond belief at this point. Its hit most every player on the line. And most every other position as well. It’s been way more than a decade of this. And it’s not like a few weeks. It’s whole seasons and whole careers. Really discouraging.
This is not an injury bug. He broke his ankle last year and had surgery in January. It was early in the season.
Not Good news angle, Evan Neal sucks and now he missing important reps.
My new hopeful news, Evan Neal had bad coaching and played on broken ankle that bad enough that is still not fully healed. Maybe is not as bad as we think he is?
My new conspiracy angle,Evan Neal does suck at tackle and now the reps can go to their rightful owners to keep the job. Neal comes back to learn to play Guard.
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Robinson badly wrecked his knee two seasons ago - yes, this is one of the longest rehabs in memory - and has worked his butt off for even the slimest chance to make it back.
My new hopeful news, Evan Neal had bad coaching and played on broken ankle that bad enough that is still not fully healed. Maybe is not as bad as we think he is?
Neal never played after he rolled his left ankle against the Raiders: the injury that turned out to be a fracture.
He left the game, was replaced by Tyre Phillips, and that was the end of his season.
His previous ankle injury, from which he did return, was to his right ankle.
He can come off at any time and start participating in practice immediately. Was hoping with a new OL staff, he’d benefit immensely if he was a full go from jump.
They skip the funny business and don't trot out Ezeudu over at RT. A swing guy? Go for it and see if Bricillo can improve him, but Eluemunor needs to be the RT day 1 in camp.
Would be good news if they signed Van Roten.
Not to be cynical, but why is Aaron Robinson still here?
Missing an entire season, and then going on PUP another 6 months later, I mean he is done - right? Not his fault, but isn't it time to just free up the roster spot?
This is not unexpected, given his lack of action in the pre-season. What was surprising was that Elumanor solely played Guard. I rely like that they gave Ezudu a ton of snaps because last year was unfair to him. That said, do an injury settlement and release Robinson. Sign Van Rotten. Let's go...
RE: Not to be cynical, but why is Aaron Robinson still here?
Missing an entire season, and then going on PUP another 6 months later, I mean he is done - right? Not his fault, but isn't it time to just free up the roster spot?
He’s probably a really nice guy and works his butt off. In the Giants organization that carries a ton of weight, offset by the minor fact that he isn’t helping the team at all.
Missing an entire season, and then going on PUP another 6 months later, I mean he is done - right? Not his fault, but isn't it time to just free up the roster spot?
He’s probably a really nice guy and works his butt off. In the Giants organization that carries a ton of weight, offset by the minor fact that he isn’t helping the team at all.
Lot of truth to this.
Neal was the absolute correct pick that has not worked out.
The Giants have picked a bunch of poor choices on day 1 and 2 for years. Neal was a good risk and hasn’t stepped up at all. Many of those others were awful risks.
It’s on Neal.
RE: Neal was the absolute correct pick that has not worked out.
The Giants have picked a bunch of poor choices on day 1 and 2 for years. Neal was a good risk and hasn’t stepped up at all. Many of those others were awful risks.
It’s on Neal.
The 2022 draft looks pretty poor overall league wide.
If you played the hindsight card, we certainly missed out on quality WRs available at #7.
Leave it to Dallas, however, to find three Pro Bowl quality players from there 2022 selections.
for him. In fact I didn't expect him to be successful. To me his feet aren't quick enough. I m not an oline coach by any stretch but I know what I see. I agree with those that say next time we see him he ll be a guard and maybe on another team.
That player has been an enigma for his entire career, and he just cannot stay healthy.
Just let him go, Joe. Sign a veteran who'll be able to help the OL.
RE: I wouldn't blame Schoen if he dealt Neal right now
That player has been an enigma for his entire career, and he just cannot stay healthy.
Just let him go, Joe. Sign a veteran who'll be able to help the OL.
That player has been an enigma for his entire career, and he just cannot stay healthy.
Just let him go, Joe. Sign a veteran who'll be able to help the OL.
What are you trading him for? A YouTube TV subscription?
was he might be too big to succeed and stay healthy under NFL wear and tear. It's not unusual. Beckton gave me similar vibes.
Remember when we all laughed at the Jets for drafting Becton for the same reason you just mentioned?
I disagree about this comparison because unlike Becton, Neal was and is always in shape. He's not fat. He's unlucky. And let's not forget that the Giants medical staff said his ankle was not broken and he continued to play on it and give it his all.
I thought he was a great pick at number 7.
Man I was 100% wrong…
Part of a growing club, Rick, with JS the charter member.
I recall a video, a week or two after the draft, of Neal, all 330 lbs of him or whatever, crouched in a smallish box perhaps 3.5 to 4.0 feet high, who used all his leg force to spring up and out of the box onto a nearby shelf/ledge. It was an extraordinary show of power and strength. We were all tickled and pleased as punch, this guy was 'can't miss'.
Sy' had his doubts at the time, balance, winds up on the ground too much, even though he had EN ranked as his 1st or 2nd OL iirc.
Final tally is not in, yet, even if it's looking pretty dark right now. Giants--hopefully led by saviour Bricillo (is he?? please lol)--need to do something they've been very poor at the past decade and self scout hard, really hard, about Neal's positional future.
Regardless of Neal's future role, the Giants better start viewing Neal as being on the he won't be ready, list. Put Eluminor at ORT from day 1 of training camp until Neal can get on the field, stay on the field, and take the job from him (if he can). They can't dick around waiting for him.
Hell, we all just saw in episode 4, Schoen tell Jones something like, "We haven't given up on you, but we have to do what's best to protect ourselves in case you aren't ready to go." That same reasoning should apply to Neal as well.
As for Robinson, I assume they can IR him again if he can't play. I agree keeping him around is untidy, but he's not costing them much.
Whether that's 1 week, 4 weeks or 10 weeks. Neal is barely playable to this point when healthy. Him trying to play NFL OL in a compromised position injury wise isn't tenable.
the beginning of camp -coming of ankle surgery.. let him heal up dont rush it.. yes we all want him to get on the field but he needs to heal.. i still think this can payoff bigly this season down the road.. i would keep him on side and working building up movement and strength until he is ready to take over. His growth as an NFL starter has been stunted by injury and poor coaching and poor support at RG. Perfect scenario now is get OL right and then bring him in later. Joe addressed the OL Team Depth. Will probably add another one as we go along too. there will be cuts.
I was wary of Neal, especially when I saw him constantly on the ground. I also thought Charles Cross was the better player when it came to pass protection, however, Neal was better in the run game. In true Giants fashion, they chose wrong. Ugh.
admit that I wanted Neal very much at #7. But that was before I learned that he didn't do any agility drills at the combine or his pro day. OTOH, he was dominant in the SEC. I agree that it's beginning to look like guard may be his best position.
admit that I wanted Neal very much at #7. But that was before I learned that he didn't do any agility drills at the combine or his pro day. OTOH, he was dominant in the SEC. I agree that it's beginning to look like guard may be his best position.
Look, we need to apply the Daniel Jones model to many of these drafted players, particularly the lottery picks.
We really won't know what we have until the sixth season.
It’s simply the culmination of his rehab from an injury that apparently was downplayed . I am certainly skeptical about Neal. Who wouldn’t be? But he’s going to get an another chance to prove that he belongs out there .
I was going to ask which one, but I guess either works
I'll admit I had a similar concern about Neal.
At least he knows the OL coach well.
It's only Plan B because Neal was a lottery pick. Otherwise, based on his actual play, Eluemenor is just a better player right now.
While a lot of the 2022 draft is looking below average right now, Neal is looking like a real stain on Schoen's drafting.
He might live up to his potential elsewhere, but it's looking like it's not happening here.
Seeing him for 2 years, he never played like a competent NFL tackle consistently. You can’t have that on the outside. I do think he can be an excellent guard so maybe we can salvage something.
I agree. Part of what killed the OL last year is they started replacing guys after week 1, whether due to injury or guys sucking
1) Reliance on rookies / unproven players
2) Poor / non-existent veteran depth
The third thing I hoped they learned from last year was spending way too much time with too many offensive line combinations.
The starting OL should be:
Thomas LT
JMS C
Eluemunor RT
Runyan G
Best from among Stinnie /Schlottmann or Van Roten (if signed) G
Keep your best projection of the starters together during first team practices and scrimmages.
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was he might be too big to succeed and stay healthy under NFL wear and tear. It's not unusual. Beckton gave me similar vibes.
I'll admit I had a similar concern about Neal.
I guess you’re right but, I like Becton, I think Neal carries his weight easily and actually looks smaller out of pads
Not Good news angle, Evan Neal sucks and now he missing important reps.
My new hopeful news, Evan Neal had bad coaching and played on broken ankle that bad enough that is still not fully healed. Maybe is not as bad as we think he is?
My new conspiracy angle,Evan Neal does suck at tackle and now the reps can go to their rightful owners to keep the job. Neal comes back to learn to play Guard.
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Robinson badly wrecked his knee two seasons ago - yes, this is one of the longest rehabs in memory - and has worked his butt off for even the slimest chance to make it back.
If as expected Plan B for RT is Eluemenor, they’re still going to need another G.
My new hopeful news, Evan Neal had bad coaching and played on broken ankle that bad enough that is still not fully healed. Maybe is not as bad as we think he is?
Neal never played after he rolled his left ankle against the Raiders: the injury that turned out to be a fracture.
He left the game, was replaced by Tyre Phillips, and that was the end of his season.
His previous ankle injury, from which he did return, was to his right ankle.
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There's no further rescue likely.
It's only Plan B because Neal was a lottery pick. Otherwise, based on his actual play, Eluemenor is just a better player right now.
While a lot of the 2022 draft is looking below average right now, Neal is looking like a real stain on Schoen's drafting.
Lottery pick?
Man I was 100% wrong…
Well sounds like Matt Nelson is healthy.
They can come off both lists any time during camp.
I don't think he's suited up since that Bears home game in late September/early October '22. I remember watching that game @ a bar in NH.
Would be good news if they signed Van Roten.
He’s probably a really nice guy and works his butt off. In the Giants organization that carries a ton of weight, offset by the minor fact that he isn’t helping the team at all.
It's very sad, but I think his playing career might be over.
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Missing an entire season, and then going on PUP another 6 months later, I mean he is done - right? Not his fault, but isn't it time to just free up the roster spot?
He’s probably a really nice guy and works his butt off. In the Giants organization that carries a ton of weight, offset by the minor fact that he isn’t helping the team at all.
Lot of truth to this.
It’s on Neal.
It’s on Neal.
The 2022 draft looks pretty poor overall league wide.
If you played the hindsight card, we certainly missed out on quality WRs available at #7.
Leave it to Dallas, however, to find three Pro Bowl quality players from there 2022 selections.
Tyler Smith, Jake Ferguson, and Daron Bland.
Will McClay is unbelievable...
Just let him go, Joe. Sign a veteran who'll be able to help the OL.
Just let him go, Joe. Sign a veteran who'll be able to help the OL.
His value is at a low. Don't sell low.
Remember when we all laughed at the Jets for drafting Becton for the same reason you just mentioned?
Just let him go, Joe. Sign a veteran who'll be able to help the OL.
What are you trading him for? A YouTube TV subscription?
Becton wasn't exactly good when he played, but he was in another universe from Neal.
1. Shit happens, or
2. When shit happens it is ALWAYS somebody's fault.
I vote for number 1. That's why it's on the T-shirts.
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was he might be too big to succeed and stay healthy under NFL wear and tear. It's not unusual. Beckton gave me similar vibes.
Remember when we all laughed at the Jets for drafting Becton for the same reason you just mentioned?
I disagree about this comparison because unlike Becton, Neal was and is always in shape. He's not fat. He's unlucky. And let's not forget that the Giants medical staff said his ankle was not broken and he continued to play on it and give it his all.
We should all forget it, because it never happened. See my post at 6:55 p.m. last evening in this thread.
1. Shit happens, or
2. When shit happens it is ALWAYS somebody's fault.
I vote for number 1. That's why it's on the T-shirts.
I don't think you have that quite right. It should read:
1. Shit happens, or
2. When shit happens it is ALWAYS happens to the Giants offensive line.
The answer is #2.
I dunno Jim. Seems like the writing is on the wall for Neal.
At least at OT.
Man I was 100% wrong…
Part of a growing club, Rick, with JS the charter member.
I recall a video, a week or two after the draft, of Neal, all 330 lbs of him or whatever, crouched in a smallish box perhaps 3.5 to 4.0 feet high, who used all his leg force to spring up and out of the box onto a nearby shelf/ledge. It was an extraordinary show of power and strength. We were all tickled and pleased as punch, this guy was 'can't miss'.
Sy' had his doubts at the time, balance, winds up on the ground too much, even though he had EN ranked as his 1st or 2nd OL iirc.
Final tally is not in, yet, even if it's looking pretty dark right now. Giants--hopefully led by saviour Bricillo (is he?? please lol)--need to do something they've been very poor at the past decade and self scout hard, really hard, about Neal's positional future.
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And let's not forget that the Giants medical staff said his ankle was not broken and he continued to play on it and give it his all.
We should all forget it, because it never happened. See my post at 6:55 p.m. last evening in this thread.
well alrighty then. I stand corrected.
I'm through with this Neal stuff and like it or not, fair or not, Schoen has to eat the shit.
Hell, we all just saw in episode 4, Schoen tell Jones something like, "We haven't given up on you, but we have to do what's best to protect ourselves in case you aren't ready to go." That same reasoning should apply to Neal as well.
As for Robinson, I assume they can IR him again if he can't play. I agree keeping him around is untidy, but he's not costing them much.
that is also very young, he is relying on older veterans to start or serve as key back-ups along the offensive line:
Jon Runyan, Jr. Age 27
Austin Schlottmann Age 29
Jermaine Eluemunor Age 30
Aaron Stinnie Age 30
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was he might be too big to succeed and stay healthy under NFL wear and tear. It's not unusual. Beckton gave me similar vibes.
Becton wasn't exactly good when he played, but he was in another universe from Neal.
It's not about their talent but rather their sheer size, and huge men with that size with mobility could run more risk with injuries.
Look, we need to apply the Daniel Jones model to many of these drafted players, particularly the lottery picks.
We really won't know what we have until the sixth season.
that is also very young, he is relying on older veterans to start or serve as key back-ups along the offensive line:
Jon Runyan, Jr. Age 27
Austin Schlottmann Age 29
Jermaine Eluemunor Age 30
Aaron Stinnie Age 30
Eluemunor down, 3 to go. And it’s still July. Get the barf bag.