Welcome to another series thread, this time against the hated Braves. Both teams would be in the playoffs if they started today. There’s even a realistic chance that they could play against each other in the Wildcard round, so this series carries a lot of weight. The Mets have a record of
3-3 against them so far this season. Kodai Senga will be making his season-debut in this series. The Mets completed their road trip against the Marlins & Yankees to start the post All-Star Break portion of the schedule with a record of 4-2. Click
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Mets vs. Braves: Game 1 –⚾Severino (R) vs. Sale (L)⚾– 7:10 pm EDT
Starting Lineups for both clubs tonight.
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Probable Starting Pitcher Matchups for tonight & tomorrow in Flushing against the Barfs.
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Notes:
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-The weather for tonight's game at Citi Field is expected to be decent. Showers were expected around gametime before, but that's no longer the case. Click
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-The Mets are 53-48 now & are sitting in the 2nd Wildcard spot in the National League as of the start of business today. Click
HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both leagues. By virtue of their impressive victory yesterday, the Mets are now 5 games over .500, which is their high-water mark of the season. They’re only 1.5 games behind the Braves too, who are in possession of the 1st N.L. Wildcard spot going into this game. The Braves enter this series having lost 7 of their last 10 games; the Mets come into this series having won 7 of their last 10 games.
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-The Mets' 4-man bench for tonight’s game will consist of
Torrens (R), Bader (R), Nimmo (L), & Gamel (L). 
NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (July) - DanMetroMan - 7/1/2024 10:17 am
*For reference purposes, here are the links for previous months as well:
NFT: Mets Minor League Thread (June) - DanMetroMan - 6/1/2024 10:45 am
NFT: Mets Minor Leagues (May) - DanMetroMan - 5/1/2024 12:15 pm
NFT: Mets Minor League Update (April) - DanMetroMan - 4/2/2024 10:17 am
NFT: Mets Draft thread: July 14th to July 16th Optimus-NY | 7/13/2024 | 11:52 am
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Enjoy tonight's game 😊
Oh no! :-(
I hope he's ok. I was hoping to add him to this pen down the stretch.
Severino (RHP)
Senga (RHP)
Megill (RHP)
Peterson (LHP)
Quintana (LHP)
Manaea (LHP)
Do they send down Alex Young to Cuse? DFA Ottavio? Phantom injury (paging Ineptler, lol)? What then?
Once Garrett and SRF come back the pen could look like this (with a 6-man rotation)L
Righties (6):
Díaz
Núñez
*Megill (I'd move Buttó to starting rotation in place of Megill)
Maton
**Houser
**Ottavino
Lefties (3):
Diekman
**Danny Young
**Alex Young
-Keep two lefties & trade for Puk, so you'd have Puk & Diekman throwing from the left side.
-Factor in the return of Reed Garrett & Sean Reid-Foley off of the Injured List in the coming 2 weeks or so too.
If the Mets go to a 6-man rotation, the pen would have 7 guys & could look like so:
Lefties (2):
Puk
Diekman
Righties (5):
Díaz
Núñez
Maton
Megill
Garrett
**Once September 1st comes, & you can add two more players to the 26-man big league roster (a pitcher & a position player), you add a fully healthy Sean Reid-Foley to the bullpen OR Reed Garrett---whichever gets healthy second out of the two.
** = Pending any injuries, these guys are gonna have a hard time hanging on the 26-man roster. The two Youngs still have options and can be sent back down to Triple A if I'm not mistaken. Houser and Ottavino are out of options and are pending Free Agents. They'd be DFA candidates.
I've been thinking the same thing; he's been a stud in the bull pen, nine in a row tonight (shaded of Roger McDowell back in the day!), but Megill has been awful.
Is the 6 man rotation just for Senga's benefit?
Sure is a different world for starters these days; compete games are unicorns, TJ surgery left and right, 6 man rotations...20 game winners? What are those?
Glad to see Sale out of the game!
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He's making me consider leaving him in the pen. SUPERB job by him there coming into a tough situation after Severino left him a bit of a mess to clean up.
I've been thinking the same thing; he's been a stud in the bull pen, nine in a row tonight (shaded of Roger McDowell back in the day!), but Megill has been awful.
Is the 6 man rotation just for Senga's benefit?
Sure is a different world for starters these days; compete games are unicorns, TJ surgery left and right, 6 man rotations...20 game winners? What are those?
Glad to see Sale out of the game!
Pretty much Danny. Butto's the Kevin Mitchell of pitchers, lol: He can do it all! If the Mets go to a 6-man rotation, I'd rather see Butto start than Megill. My logic behind that being Megill won't hurt us as much as a reliever like he would as a starter. Butto's a better starter than him. Period.
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He's making me consider leaving him in the pen. SUPERB job by him there coming into a tough situation after Severino left him a bit of a mess to clean up.
I've been thinking the same thing; he's been a stud in the bull pen, nine in a row tonight (shaded of Roger McDowell back in the day!), but Megill has been awful.
Is the 6 man rotation just for Senga's benefit?
Sure is a different world for starters these days; compete games are unicorns, TJ surgery left and right, 6 man rotations...20 game winners? What are those?
Glad to see Sale out of the game!
Pretty much Danny. Butto's the Kevin Mitchell of pitchers, lol: He can do it all! If the Mets go to a 6-man rotation, I'd rather see Butto start than Megill. My logic behind that being Megill won't hurt us as much as a reliever like he would as a starter. Butto's a better starter than him. Period.
Butto’s biggest issue is that sometimes his first innings are rocky and against the top of an order that isn’t ideal. If you bring him in long relief against a 6th hitter then he can find his stuff against lesser bats.
For their 14th and 30th best prospects according to mlb.com
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Acquired by the D-backs.
For their 14th and 30th best prospects according to mlb.com
They were talking about trading Hamel and Morabito for him on MMO.com. What do you think about that?
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Acquired by the D-backs.
For their 14th and 30th best prospects according to mlb.com
They were talking about trading Hamel and Morabito for him on MMO.com. What do you think about that?
I think both are tradeable, but it looks like Florida is looking at bats and exit velocity and the Mets really didn’t have someone like that who fits.
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Can't believe they gave Squirrel a hit on that. But, happy Jeff, I suppose...
Great to get game 1 with Sale on the mound...he is tough...
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He's making me consider leaving him in the pen. SUPERB job by him there coming into a tough situation after Severino left him a bit of a mess to clean up.
I've been thinking the same thing; he's been a stud in the bull pen, nine in a row tonight (shaded of Roger McDowell back in the day!), but Megill has been awful.
Is the 6 man rotation just for Senga's benefit?
Sure is a different world for starters these days; compete games are unicorns, TJ surgery left and right, 6 man rotations...20 game winners? What are those?
Glad to see Sale out of the game!
Pretty much Danny. Butto's the Kevin Mitchell of pitchers, lol: He can do it all! If the Mets go to a 6-man rotation, I'd rather see Butto start than Megill. My logic behind that being Megill won't hurt us as much as a reliever like he would as a starter. Butto's a better starter than him. Period.
Butto’s biggest issue is that sometimes his first innings are rocky and against the top of an order that isn’t ideal. If you bring him in long relief against a 6th hitter then he can find his stuff against lesser bats.
That's a really good point, Mike!
Can't believe they gave Squirrel a hit on that. But, happy Jeff, I suppose...
Great to get game 1 with Sale on the mound...he is tough...
True dat. My buddy WhatsAppd me nd said the guy in RF ran past that ball like Forrest Gump!
puk return looks pretty strong for miami. mets closest comparable prospect is probably parada, but im both unsure id have traded him for Puk or that Miami would have wanted him over what they got.
on to the next RP.
De los Santos a much better prospect than Parada at this point. Having a monster year in AAA at 21 and higher upside than Parada. Surprised AZ shipped him off for a RP even though Puk has been really good.
De los Santos a much better prospect than Parada at this point. Having a monster year in AAA at 21 and higher upside than Parada. Surprised AZ shipped him off for a RP even though Puk has been really good.
Did you see Wolverine & Deadpool? If so, no spoilers!
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Another W! Was at a movie so heard the last inning on way home. Thought we were going to blow that gift in the 10th then we got another one.
De los Santos a much better prospect than Parada at this point. Having a monster year in AAA at 21 and higher upside than Parada. Surprised AZ shipped him off for a RP even though Puk has been really good.
Did you see Wolverine & Deadpool? If so, no spoilers!
I did and not saying anything.
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Another W! Was at a movie so heard the last inning on way home. Thought we were going to blow that gift in the 10th then we got another one.
De los Santos a much better prospect than Parada at this point. Having a monster year in AAA at 21 and higher upside than Parada. Surprised AZ shipped him off for a RP even though Puk has been really good.
Did you see Wolverine & Deadpool? If so, no spoilers!
I did and not saying anything.
Right on. I wanna see it some time this next week. Looking forward to it!
Yep. 2 trades in less than the last 12 hours or so. Trade season has kicked off.
Alverez anticipating the squeeze play and getting Laureano out was my fav play. IMO the games key play
excited for Senga tonight but can't imagine he will go more then 60-70 pitches so who comes in?
LFGM!
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lol. amazing
Senga back from the IL with a Houser DFA.
Nunez to the IL with a pronator strain. Fujinami sent to DFA land. Orze up.
Yup. I don't what a pronator strain is so no idea how long he'll be out.
Stearns probably needs to add 2 more pen arms.
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dammit
Yup. I don't what a pronator strain is so no idea how long he'll be out.
Stearns probably needs to add 2 more pen arms.
Flexor Pronator Strain
Not a bad idea. Wonder what SFG would need.
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they are really dropping like flies. if SFG is really desperate to get under the lux tax maybe we take conforto and both rogers off their hands. easy 1 stop shopping.
Not a bad idea. Wonder what SFG would need.
so those 3 would save them around $11m rest of year plus $12m next year with Rogers. they would only need to make 1 or 2 other trades to get themselves under the lux tax.
to save that much money i really dont think mets would have to give up anything of value. throw them ramirez and a few other pupu platter items.
id be interested in jordan hicks if they are willing to move him too. apparently snell is a very popular name on the trade market now that he's pitching better and doesnt have a ton of money left this year. bottomline i guess if they want to save $ it's a place mets could use their financial capabilities instead of giving us much in prospects for some of their guys.
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they are really dropping like flies. if SFG is really desperate to get under the lux tax maybe we take conforto and both rogers off their hands. easy 1 stop shopping.
Not a bad idea. Wonder what SFG would need.
so those 3 would save them around $11m rest of year plus $12m next year with Rogers. they would only need to make 1 or 2 other trades to get themselves under the lux tax.
to save that much money i really dont think mets would have to give up anything of value. throw them ramirez and a few other pupu platter items.
id be interested in jordan hicks if they are willing to move him too. apparently snell is a very popular name on the trade market now that he's pitching better and doesnt have a ton of money left this year. bottomline i guess if they want to save $ it's a place mets could use their financial capabilities instead of giving us much in prospects for some of their guys.
Taking on money to improve is by far our biggest advantage this time of year.
In this scenario (assuming my cost going to SF is in the right ballpark) the Mets give themselves a much better chance of a deep run IMO if they are able to get into the playoffs. Snell/Senga/Severino/Manaea is a pretty legit playoff rotation. They could even use both Scott/Butto as multi inning relievers in the playoffs if needed.
There's a chance it all blows up and you make these deals and miss the playoffs, but if you have a chance to make a run without giving up the farm, then its worth doing IMO.
Taking on money to improve is by far our biggest advantage this time of year.
bingo. mets should have a lot of choices of good players at reduced prices because other teams want to save money.
i wanted puk but i would imagine he brought back more than expected because he has 2 more years of cheap control that were kind of irrelevant for mets bc they could just as easily sign someone like him in the offseason for not that much more than the arb years.
In this scenario (assuming my cost going to SF is in the right ballpark) the Mets give themselves a much better chance of a deep run IMO if they are able to get into the playoffs. Snell/Senga/Severino/Manaea is a pretty legit playoff rotation. They could even use both Scott/Butto as multi inning relievers in the playoffs if needed.
There's a chance it all blows up and you make these deals and miss the playoffs, but if you have a chance to make a run without giving up the farm, then its worth doing IMO.
Interesting as well! I am a prospect hugger obviously so I would be nervy giving up Gilbert even though that probably is fair. I think he can help us down the stretch starting in RF.
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would be a great deadline haul. Can't imagine Snell would be tooo expensive given that offers he got this offseason and how this season has gone. I'd offer up Gilbert, Hamel and another secondary piece (or maybe eating a salary dump of some sort). That'd probably give Mets some flexibility to trade Peterson (and his multiple remaining years of cheap control) if they are feeling a bit lucky with the back end of their rotation depth.
In this scenario (assuming my cost going to SF is in the right ballpark) the Mets give themselves a much better chance of a deep run IMO if they are able to get into the playoffs. Snell/Senga/Severino/Manaea is a pretty legit playoff rotation. They could even use both Scott/Butto as multi inning relievers in the playoffs if needed.
There's a chance it all blows up and you make these deals and miss the playoffs, but if you have a chance to make a run without giving up the farm, then its worth doing IMO.
Interesting as well! I am a prospect hugger obviously so I would be nervy giving up Gilbert even though that probably is fair. I think he can help us down the stretch starting in RF.
I'd rather give then Acuna but I doubt thatd be enough. There'd a chance that Gilbert turns into a Victorino type and we regret that trade, but that can happen trading any prospect.
Are you suggesting the Mets trade Drew Gilbert and 2 other pieces AND take on salary ?? And then trade away David Peterson ??
Ouch !!
remember to save a few mil maton was free.
puk was traded for a guy who was a rule 5 pick in november and returned a few months ago.
the point of taking on money beyond what puk was making is to get players at a lower prospect cost. not a higher one.
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would be a great deadline haul. Can't imagine Snell would be tooo expensive given that offers he got this offseason and how this season has gone. I'd offer up Gilbert, Hamel and another secondary piece (or maybe eating a salary dump of some sort). That'd probably give Mets some flexibility to trade Peterson (and his multiple remaining years of cheap control) if they are feeling a bit lucky with the back end of their rotation depth.
Are you suggesting the Mets trade Drew Gilbert and 2 other pieces AND take on salary ?? And then trade away David Peterson ??
Ouch !!
I'm not going to be mad if you want to stand pat, but I'm not sure how else you can add a cy young winner for the stretch run. Gilbert was traded as part of a package juts last year for an ancient Verlander and has been hurt all year. Borderline top 100 prospect types fly around at the deadline all the time.
And I'd like to keep David Peterson, now that he's found himself.
agreed. my list of guys id be willing to trade includes Stuart, Hamel, Vasil, Ramirez, Parada, Baro, Ewing. Houck and Parada are probably the 2 biggest "names" i'd be willing to move. Ideally you can get a decent package of arms for a Ramirez/Hamel type package.
interesting note from martino btw, have to think if they are "going for it" that means they are willing to spend to buy whatever they can get. Snell + some relievers from SFG would be perfect. If he keeps pitching well he probably opts out anyway.
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I asked a rival exec this morning what he was hearing about the Mets. “They’re going for it.”
I don't know what will happen with Butto going forward, but he is a valuable piece of the bullpen right now. With Nunez on the IL now, he may be 2nd only to Diaz. Maton up there as well.
D'Backs made a strong offer for Puk. Mets couldn't have matched that without having some seriously pissed off fans. De Los Santos is putting up ridiculous numbers. Just turned 21. 28 HR in 87 games between AA/AAA. Hitting .325. Don't know how that will translate to the majors, but wouldn't be surprised if the Mets didn't have a single hitter with that kind of upside in their entire system. Marlins did really well in getting him for a bullpen arm.
I don't know what will happen with Butto going forward, but he is a valuable piece of the bullpen right now. With Nunez on the IL now, he may be 2nd only to Diaz. Maton up there as well.
D'Backs made a strong offer for Puk. Mets couldn't have matched that without having some seriously pissed off fans. De Los Santos is putting up ridiculous numbers. Just turned 21. 28 HR in 87 games between AA/AAA. Hitting .325. Don't know how that will translate to the majors, but wouldn't be surprised if the Mets didn't have a single hitter with that kind of upside in their entire system. Marlins did really well in getting him for a bullpen arm.
De Los Santos is a good lotto ticket for Miami but he also has real flaws. I think Parada is probably the most comparable player in Mets system to him since he's now on a bit of a heater but also has some real flaws. Parada would have been a reasonable price to trade for Puk, though I'm not sure id have done it because i think mets will have better choices than that (adding equal or better players for lesser prospects by eating $).
Here's what Law said about the Miami return - I know nothing about the players beyond what i've read in the last 12 hours but i can only assume De Los Santos was left unprotected in rule 5 last dec (and then returned to AZ) for reasons that arent fully resolved by a good half in great hitting environments.
I don't know about ultimate upside compared to say Clifford Mauricio or Jett but yes Santos is on another level than Parada. Parada hasn't sniffed that level of success in the minors.
pedigree is also part of any prospect conversation and parada has a 937 ops this month in AA and his defense has supposedly gotten better. he got paid/drafted where he did for a reason. nobody is saying he's back to being a top prospect but he clearly has enough ability that something could click in his development and get him back on that path.
pedigree is also part of any prospect conversation and parada has a 937 ops this month in AA and his defense has supposedly gotten better. he got paid/drafted where he did for a reason. nobody is saying he's back to being a top prospect but he clearly has enough ability that something could click in his development and get him back on that path.
Of course floor is part of the consideration. I'd take Jett no doubt over him. I'd probably take Gilbert or Clifford as well. Acuna is a tough one. But all those players can contribute in more ways and have better floors.
That said, De Los Santos' numbers for a young 21 year old are very rarely seen at the levels he is at. If he can improve his plate discipline (I get a big if), he has IMO a higher ceiling than any Met.
My points stand that:
1. The Marlins did very well in getting a player with this kind of upside for Puk.
2. Mets fans would have been pissed if the Mets gave up the equivalent for Puk. My opinion on an equivalent would be probably an Acuna
De Los Santos was going to be extremely difficult to keep on a MLB roster this year as a 20 year old. Acuna is a different story in that he still has MLB useful speed and defensive versatility to where he could find a role on a team if he was selected in the rule 5 draft
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
being closer to the big leagues is im sure more appealing too. they have lacked loud bats forever.
but even with that if i were in their shoes i still may have preferred the catcher because that position capability doubles or triples the value of the upside. parada has also always showed power, at sea level no less.
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
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i think it's at worst debateable. part of that is the mets situation, they dont need a 1b only/dh with power but poor contact. they have clifford, vientos, baty, and heck even mauricio who i think are significantly better prospects than a flash in the pan with a 120rc in the PCL because they have power and contact upside (and position flex).
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
i may have, but i suspect by the end of the deadline we will see that there were preferable moves.
right now maton's era on the year is better than puks and he was free. as a met it's 1.5 through 6 innings and historically he's got a good track record on winning teams in high leverage.
i'd rather spend money to add talent than prospects. nick martinez or rogers from sfg could be free just to dump $ and they are also both a lot more accomplished than puk.
I actually had hopes he would be a reasonable back end starter. Strearns knew him really well from his time in Milwaukee, which also makes this surprising.
Losing Nunez hurts. Hopefully SRF fills the gap.
The comings and goings of the bull pen in 2024
But, yeah.....Parada is tradable.
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i think it's at worst debateable. part of that is the mets situation, they dont need a 1b only/dh with power but poor contact. they have clifford, vientos, baty, and heck even mauricio who i think are significantly better prospects than a flash in the pan with a 120rc in the PCL because they have power and contact upside (and position flex).
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
Agreed. I usually agree with Eric. But Parada would have been gone in a second for Puk
I actually had hopes he would be a reasonable back end starter. Strearns knew him really well from his time in Milwaukee, which also makes this surprising.
Losing Nunez hurts. Hopefully SRF fills the gap.
The comings and goings of the bull pen in 2024
Ooops! Old news I see!
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i think it's at worst debateable. part of that is the mets situation, they dont need a 1b only/dh with power but poor contact. they have clifford, vientos, baty, and heck even mauricio who i think are significantly better prospects than a flash in the pan with a 120rc in the PCL because they have power and contact upside (and position flex).
the other part of that is that if parada can simply play competent defense at catcher, the bar for him to be a viable big leaguer is so much lower than the one de los santos has to jump over even if his bat looks more exciting right now.
other than parada, who is the next best catching prospect in the mets minors? is there even one above A ball?
i can see the argument the other way too, value is value, de los santos may just be the more valuable prospect right now, but i dont think it's so clear cut that its for sure. what if he loses a few homers at sea level and his RC ends up at 110 even at AAA with a lot of whiff? for a 1b only that's 0 value.
I'd rather have catchers farther away at this point considering we all hope Alvarez is our C for the next 10 plus years. I'd have traded Parada for Puk in a flash.
i may have, but i suspect by the end of the deadline we will see that there were preferable moves.
right now maton's era on the year is better than puks and he was free. as a met it's 1.5 through 6 innings and historically he's got a good track record on winning teams in high leverage.
i'd rather spend money to add talent than prospects. nick martinez or rogers from sfg could be free just to dump $ and they are also both a lot more accomplished than puk.
Good point, and I'm fine if we see moves like that, but Puk has been excellent out of the pen.
But, yeah.....Parada is tradable.
Gutierrez as well our top IFA sign from the previous year.
my guess is that stearns is preferring to leverage $ like he did with maton and isn't looking to move early out of desperation for someone who is "affordable" like puk was. i can understand why a team like AZ needed to do that.
if this ends up a situation like 2022 where they strike out and dont add anyone as good as puk then i will i say he screwed up and i would agree, id have done parada if that deal were on table. right now i dont expect that to happen though. i have confidence in stearns not pulling an inept-ppler.
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The Mets top IFA signing is also a Catcher, Yovanny Rodriguez. I realize he's a kid and certainly many years away from even the high minors.
But, yeah.....Parada is tradable.
Gutierrez as well our top IFA sign from the previous year.
can never have enough catchers,
and remember they are usually the slowest position to develop. depth in the low minors is great but it's unlikely we see those guys for 5+ years. alvarez is like 1 in 1000.
toronto trades yimi garcia to SEA
yimi would have been a good add. went for Jonatan Clase who seems somewhat comparable to acuna. maybe a bit lesser. logenhagen just ranked him 14th in their system at at 40 grade a few weeks ago.
#17 Baumeister (2023 2nd round pick)
nr etzel (was a 10th round pick last year, 167k bonus)
logenhagen had them lower on his recent list, he had horvath #25 at a 40 grade and baumeister at #13 with a 40+. etzel again unranked.
if these are the top of market prices for less expensive players, bodes reasonably well for mets. though id imagine tanner scott is probably going to cost more than any of the guys so far.
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The 6-man rotation is like so now:
Manaea (LHP)
Quintana (LHP)
Peterson (LHP)
Severino
Senga
**Megill (not added to the 26-man roster yet; will be added tomorrow for his start then)
I could easily see Butto and Megill switching spots soon btw.
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The bullpen consists of the following 8 guys at the moment (it'll be down to 7 tomorrow):
5 Righties:
Díaz
Buttó
Maton
Ottavino
Orze
3 Lefties:
Diekman
*Alex Young
*Danny Young
* = One of these two lefties will be sent down since room needs to be made on the 26-man roster for Megill; both of these lefties have options and the Mets having 3 southpaw relievers is overkill. 2 is more than enough.
07/26/24 - New York Mets placed RHP Dedniel Núñez on the 15-day injured list retroactive to July 24, 2024. Right pronator strain.
07/26/24 - New York Mets designated RHP Shintaro Fujinami for assignment.
07/26/24 - New York Mets activated RHP Kodai Senga from the 60-day injured list.
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Yeah, this is an odd decision. I felt that Houser was doing okay since the switch to the pen and he was certainly better than Ottavino. What do we need to do to get rid of Otto and his 4.91 ERA? What am I missing?
both make about the $, so i think they probably expect that neither will be claimed.
otto makes a lot of his own trouble and ideally he will be replaced bc you cant trust him to keep runners in close games but he has thrown the ball better than his results indicate. he has minimized contact against, his walk rate isnt terrible, and his k-rate is good.
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Can’t think of a worse “expert” to discuss trade deadline e strategies. Unless there is a robust reliever market that he wants to discuss.
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But he was running out of gas at around 70 pitches in his last 2 SYR starts.
Just give us a strong 5 innings Kodai. The bullpen will finish it up.
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Duquette is up there!!
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He has been their Ottavino of late
Yeah, Mets need multiple relievers. Not bad if they make another move or two in the pen.
and Morton pitch count just went over 50.
McNeil 102
Vientos 100
Jdms homer looked deceiving but it was out in 20/30 parks.
Don’t think he’s walking off with either of those. Strain is not good news either but hopefully not done for year. Did not look like a cramp so I think it’s at least a strain which is at least 2-4 weeks but more likely 4-8.
That's exactly what it looked like. Get Kodai-san some 'nanerz! STAT!
Phuq Houser. That dude was cheeks.
Yep likely shut down for a month. Super high rate of recurrence. Hopefully back in form mid sept.
His opt out is basically officially gone.
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Phuq Houser. That dude was cheeks.
But not as cheeks as Uncle Otto. It’s been 18 years since that banana had a clean inning.
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I’m no Houser apologist, but this would’ve been the spot for him. Hopefully this Orze kid settles down.
Phuq Houser. That dude was cheeks.
But not as cheeks as Uncle Otto. It’s been 18 years since that banana had a clean inning.
I posted about them both getting the DFA treatment yesterday. I still think it's gonna happen.
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Yep likely shut down for a month. Super high rate of recurrence. Hopefully back in form mid sept.
His opt out is basically officially gone.
At least we get more control! (Gotta look on the bright side)
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I don’t care if they are the best clubhouse guys in the world - they are horrible.
He messed up with the bullpen this off-season.
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Hope it's not Achilles....or torn calf....he was looking real good....Hope you are OK Senga
Don’t think he’s walking off with either of those. Strain is not good news either but hopefully not done for year. Did not look like a cramp so I think it’s at least a strain which is at least 2-4 weeks but more likely 4-8.
Yea when I wrote it he was on ground holding his calf area...should have waited a min to post cause like you said he walked off
I was just telling someone the other day that I don’t think the Phillies are for real. Lucky for them, they are the beneficiaries of an injury riddled Braves team and a Mets team who forgot how to play baseball for the first part of the season.
Or perhaps, they just peaked too soon? I just don’t see it with them.
Exactly
I don't know. Their lineup is great. Rotation is above average. Bullpen has pitched great but I do see some regression there. It's not much of a surprise they're doing this well.
Would be open to trading real prospect capital for a good starting pitcher. Nothing crazy but maybe one of our top 4-6 prospects. A little extra term even better.
I hope they can bring Walker back.
Would be open to trading real prospect capital for a good starting pitcher. Nothing crazy but maybe one of our top 4-6 prospects. A little extra term even better.
I wouldn't go too crazy man. This is still about 2026 more than it is this year or even next year.
Has anyone heard anything about Garrett's progress in rehab?
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Has anyone heard anything about Garrett's progress in rehab?
He started throwing on flat ground today. Wants to work off a mound soon.
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Stearns needs to be better than this. A lot better.
I don’t care if they are the best clubhouse guys in the world - they are horrible.
He messed up with the bullpen this off-season.
The thing is though, early in the season, they were both pretty steady but when you factor in the loss of Raley, Diaz being up and down and starters only going four/five innings they got cooked quickly and now they probably are both dealing with arm fatigue.
I say it like this because I believe both just need an IR stint once we settle in with some bullpen additions
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Stearns needs to be better than this. A lot better.
I don’t care if they are the best clubhouse guys in the world - they are horrible.
He messed up with the bullpen this off-season.
The thing is though, early in the season, they were both pretty steady but when you factor in the loss of Raley, Diaz being up and down and starters only going four/five innings they got cooked quickly and now they probably are both dealing with arm fatigue.
I say it like this because I believe both just need an IR stint once we settle in with some bullpen additions
They walk a lot of batters but I tend to agree. The Raley injury was really the killer. He was such a lynchpin.
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I think they over achieved this year big time to date.
I don't know. Their lineup is great. Rotation is above average. Bullpen has pitched great but I do see some regression there. It's not much of a surprise they're doing this well.
They won 90 games last year for the first time in forever. All of a sudden they are a 110 win team? I don’t see it. They are overachieving.
ALL of their starting pitchers are playing above their norms. Most of their Raps are playing above their norms. And most of their position players are playing at or well above their norms. I mean…good for them…but they are most certainly overachieving this season. Hopefully a regress to the norm for that team will continue.
Personally, I think they are posers.
some mets/conforto rumors out there too.
rogers checks a lot of boxes. rogers and conforto together save them a bunch of money. in for a penny in for a pound, rogers, conforto, snell may make them a legit contender even without senga. ties up a lot of 2025 money if snell doesn't opt out, but that probably only happens if he gets hurt.
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I think they over achieved this year big time to date.
I don't know. Their lineup is great. Rotation is above average. Bullpen has pitched great but I do see some regression there. It's not much of a surprise they're doing this well.
They won 90 games last year for the first time in forever. All of a sudden they are a 110 win team? I don’t see it. They are overachieving.
ALL of their starting pitchers are playing above their norms. Most of their Raps are playing above their norms. And most of their position players are playing at or well above their norms. I mean…good for them…but they are most certainly overachieving this season. Hopefully a regress to the norm for that team will continue.
Personally, I think they are posers.
I haven't done a deep dive but the team has been building to this kind of year. I know Bohm and Scott have been playing above what we've seen. Turner under performed last year. Their bullpen seems to be above their head which I think will come down. They do seem like a 100 win team not 110 I'll give you that easily.
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Stearns needs to be better than this. A lot better.
I don’t care if they are the best clubhouse guys in the world - they are horrible.
He messed up with the bullpen this off-season.
The thing is though, early in the season, they were both pretty steady but when you factor in the loss of Raley, Diaz being up and down and starters only going four/five innings they got cooked quickly and now they probably are both dealing with arm fatigue.
I say it like this because I believe both just need an IR stint once we settle in with some bullpen additions
They walk a lot of batters but I tend to agree. The Raley injury was really the killer. He was such a lynchpin.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - using the “overworked” excuse doesn’t fly with me. Most of these guys were NEVER good pitchers. Stearns got too cute and filled this pen with a bunch of garbage that we was hoping would work out. Garrett is not good. Diekman is not good. Otto is not good. and there were plenty of others.
Unless you want to believe that Garrett was pitching through pain for a month+, it wasn’t being overworked that caused him to suck. He just….kinda….just sucks. Like most of his career.
Stearns fucked up. Plain and simple. It’s okay - I still believe in Stearns. But he royally fucked up with this bullpen. And now his solution is to trade for someone else’s garbage in Ryan Stanek? Yeah, loving his near 6 ERA. Stearns is losing me.
some mets/conforto rumors out there too.
rogers checks a lot of boxes. rogers and conforto together save them a bunch of money. in for a penny in for a pound, rogers, conforto, snell may make them a legit contender even without senga. ties up a lot of 2025 money if snell doesn't opt out, but that probably only happens if he gets hurt.
Would love to roll the dice on the 3 player SF package. Don’t think the cost would be too bad. Easier to gamble on Snell’s player option with the Verlander money all clear in 2025.
some mets/conforto rumors out there too.
rogers checks a lot of boxes. rogers and conforto together save them a bunch of money. in for a penny in for a pound, rogers, conforto, snell may make them a legit contender even without senga. ties up a lot of 2025 money if snell doesn't opt out, but that probably only happens if he gets hurt.
I'm out on Conforto besides sentimental value. We could do better but again that's in a vacuum.
Well, it might have come off contradictory, but I do still believe in Stearns. But there is no denying he lacked imagination with this bullpen. This isn’t his first rodeo and I would hope that he would come in with a plan - and it’s clear that his plan was to bargain hunt and hope for the best (a plan that almost NEVER works out).
As for Garrett - I just don’t see it. Yes, he was worked a lot. But there were a lot of other pitchers that were worked just as much, including if not more, that didn’t completely fall off a cliff or “get hurt”. Personally, I think he caught a hot streak in the first part of the season and quickly regressed to the norm. And that regression lasted a long time. He wasn’t pitching hurt for a month plus.
We’ll see. But I think this season will succeed or fail with the bullpen. And I really hope Stearns has more in him than Ryan fucking Stanek.
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scott is the obvious one, i expect he ends ups costing similar to D-rob last year, but could also be rogers and he may cost less bc he has 1 more year at 12m next year.
some mets/conforto rumors out there too.
rogers checks a lot of boxes. rogers and conforto together save them a bunch of money. in for a penny in for a pound, rogers, conforto, snell may make them a legit contender even without senga. ties up a lot of 2025 money if snell doesn't opt out, but that probably only happens if he gets hurt.
I'm out on Conforto besides sentimental value. We could do better but again that's in a vacuum.
no way to do better, there arent many hitters on the market especially if you want a lefty. whether or not it's better to just leave room for someone to come up like gilbert or acuna once marte is back is really the decision.
he's def not worth any kind of big return but conforto will probably have a minimal cost since he has $6m left. taking his money may help you get someone else. he hasnt been great and he's been in a slump, but he still has bat speed and he can still square balls up.
P.S. I died laughing from that Craig Cartoon line, lol.
maybe but someone unexpected isnt an impending FA, and the cost will be higher for that alone.
i dont see them giving up big prospects this deadline. if they got Tanner Scott for exactly what Miami gave up for D-Rob last year, even that would be painful. I'm not sure id do that and i think that's about what the cost is going to be.
id rather continue using $ to get depth like stanek/maton with higher end RP like martinez or rogers who have $ next year.
1) have a really good slider by stuff+
2) k-rate over 10 per 9
3) GB rate 40%+.
not coincidentally, the guys who have both good sliders and good FB while walking the fewest batters, have been their best relievers (diaz, garrett, nunez).
diekman has not been good because he's crazy wild (7 walks per 9) and given up a bunch of homers, but he too fits this exact profile. so they seem to have a type even when there are other glaring issues. stanek fits this profile pretty well - 152 stuff+ slider, 133 stuff+ FB.
so how do the deadline options fit?
tanner scott fits like a glove. 134 slider, 152 fastball, high velocity lefty, 10.2 k/9 and a 49% gb rate on top. the walks are concerning but other than that he's near perfect, and we know the mets dont mind the walks too much. if there is a big name they are in on id guess it's scott.
carlos estevez fits but to a lesser degree. good slider (129) but not a great FB (103). also just 8 k/9 and 25% groundballs. very low walk rate is nice and he'd provide a very different option from what's already in their pen, but doesnt seem to fit their profile.
both Rogers in SF fit most this profile but each missing 1 of the 3 common denominators.
Tyler is an extreme groundball at 58% with his crazy arm angle and has a 144 slider with a 120 fb (despite extreme low velocity). also a crazy low walk rate. Only thing he doesnt have is the k-rate. he's at 6 per 9. in some ways he's duplicative of Maton but he is interesting. the arm angle adds something funky/different.
Taylor also checks a bunch of boxes but not all. good gb rate (44%), decent k-rate (9), low walks. gives them a 2nd lefty. his stuff doesnt rate as well in stuff plus, but his slider is his best pitch at 109.
yimi garcia and puk both also sort of fit, but neither was as good of a fit as scott. Garcia's slider is great this year but hasn't been that great over his career. only 25% groundballs. Puk's slider has been ok but not great.
nick martinez and moll don't grade out as obvious fits but they check enough boxes.
best guess is that stearns will be hanging around the hoop on Tanner Scott until the bidding exceeds his tolerance and he probably goes to the dodgers, and then from there mets pivot to the SF guys. SF being in position to want to save some money makes them probably the best dance partner.
im not sure they can get him because he's on an affordable multi-year deal, but if they can and he's open to the BP Jordan Hicks would be perfect. 57%+ career gb rate, tons of velocity, big time slider (137 stuff plus for career).
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Eric a general statement but we have no idea who's really on the market. Players get dealt all the time where fans are surprised. Writers aren't getting fed everything. Stearns might be able to find a better solution.
maybe but someone unexpected isnt an impending FA, and the cost will be higher for that alone.
i dont see them giving up big prospects this deadline. if they got Tanner Scott for exactly what Miami gave up for D-Rob last year, even that would be painful. I'm not sure id do that and i think that's about what the cost is going to be.
id rather continue using $ to get depth like stanek/maton with higher end RP like martinez or rogers who have $ next year.
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Exactly this. The Mets need to keep their top and mid minor leaguers. Take advantage of Cohen's financial power and teams trying to dump salary.
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Try and add one more. Add a cheap lefty bench bat too (hopefully mostly just salary absorption).
Would be open to trading real prospect capital for a good starting pitcher. Nothing crazy but maybe one of our top 4-6 prospects. A little extra term even better.
I wouldn't go too crazy man. This is still about 2026 more than it is this year or even next year.
Are you serious? When you are close, you go for it. Don't trad e the farm, you add pieces...
Him getting a month of rest before the stretch run is nice timing. I expect him to return and give us a couple of high leverage innings a week.
1) have a really good slider by stuff+
2) k-rate over 10 per 9
3) GB rate 40%+.
not coincidentally, the guys who have both good sliders and good FB while walking the fewest batters, have been their best relievers (diaz, garrett, nunez).
diekman has not been good because he's crazy wild (7 walks per 9) and given up a bunch of homers, but he too fits this exact profile. so they seem to have a type even when there are other glaring issues. stanek fits this profile pretty well - 152 stuff+ slider, 133 stuff+ FB.
so how do the deadline options fit?
tanner scott fits like a glove. 134 slider, 152 fastball, high velocity lefty, 10.2 k/9 and a 49% gb rate on top. the walks are concerning but other than that he's near perfect, and we know the mets dont mind the walks too much. if there is a big name they are in on id guess it's scott.
carlos estevez fits but to a lesser degree. good slider (129) but not a great FB (103). also just 8 k/9 and 25% groundballs. very low walk rate is nice and he'd provide a very different option from what's already in their pen, but doesnt seem to fit their profile.
both Rogers in SF fit most this profile but each missing 1 of the 3 common denominators.
Tyler is an extreme groundball at 58% with his crazy arm angle and has a 144 slider with a 120 fb (despite extreme low velocity). also a crazy low walk rate. Only thing he doesnt have is the k-rate. he's at 6 per 9. in some ways he's duplicative of Maton but he is interesting. the arm angle adds something funky/different.
Taylor also checks a bunch of boxes but not all. good gb rate (44%), decent k-rate (9), low walks. gives them a 2nd lefty. his stuff doesnt rate as well in stuff plus, but his slider is his best pitch at 109.
yimi garcia and puk both also sort of fit, but neither was as good of a fit as scott. Garcia's slider is great this year but hasn't been that great over his career. only 25% groundballs. Puk's slider has been ok but not great.
nick martinez and moll don't grade out as obvious fits but they check enough boxes.
best guess is that stearns will be hanging around the hoop on Tanner Scott until the bidding exceeds his tolerance and he probably goes to the dodgers, and then from there mets pivot to the SF guys. SF being in position to want to save some money makes them probably the best dance partner.
im not sure they can get him because he's on an affordable multi-year deal, but if they can and he's open to the BP Jordan Hicks would be perfect. 57%+ career gb rate, tons of velocity, big time slider (137 stuff plus for career).
Awesome stuff! I noticed under ineppler they started to bring in RPs with monster sliders or at least pitchers that had stuff with big horizontal movement. I think that led them to Ottavino, Raley, and some others. Seems like Stearns following same path.
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Try and add one more. Add a cheap lefty bench bat too (hopefully mostly just salary absorption).
Would be open to trading real prospect capital for a good starting pitcher. Nothing crazy but maybe one of our top 4-6 prospects. A little extra term even better.
I wouldn't go too crazy man. This is still about 2026 more than it is this year or even next year.
Are you serious? When you are close, you go for it. Don't trad e the farm, you add pieces...
I am deadly serious. There's no way I trade a Sproat, Gilbert, or Williams for a rental. That's some George Steinbrenner $hit right there.
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Try and add one more. Add a cheap lefty bench bat too (hopefully mostly just salary absorption).
Would be open to trading real prospect capital for a good starting pitcher. Nothing crazy but maybe one of our top 4-6 prospects. A little extra term even better.
I wouldn't go too crazy man. This is still about 2026 more than it is this year or even next year.
Are you serious? When you are close, you go for it. Don't trad e the farm, you add pieces...
I am deadly serious. There's no way I trade a Sproat, Gilbert, or Williams for a rental. That's some George Steinbrenner $hit right there.
I agree....Not sure who else to add to the untradable list, definitely Mauricio, maybe Acuna.
But Kevin Parada is a tradable asset, though not sure how much value he has. Hopefully, Alvarez is your catcher for many years (still only 22 years old!), etc.
Man, losing Senga is tough....will be watching for news of his MRI today. I'll settle for having him back in September, I suppose.
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Stearns needs to be better than this. A lot better.
I don’t care if they are the best clubhouse guys in the world - they are horrible.
He messed up with the bullpen this off-season.
The thing is though, early in the season, they were both pretty steady but when you factor in the loss of Raley, Diaz being up and down and starters only going four/five innings they got cooked quickly and now they probably are both dealing with arm fatigue.
I say it like this because I believe both just need an IR stint once we settle in with some bullpen additions
They walk a lot of batters but I tend to agree. The Raley injury was really the killer. He was such a lynchpin.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again - using the “overworked” excuse doesn’t fly with me. Most of these guys were NEVER good pitchers. Stearns got too cute and filled this pen with a bunch of garbage that we was hoping would work out. Garrett is not good. Diekman is not good. Otto is not good. and there were plenty of others.
Unless you want to believe that Garrett was pitching through pain for a month+, it wasn’t being overworked that caused him to suck. He just….kinda….just sucks. Like most of his career.
Stearns fucked up. Plain and simple. It’s okay - I still believe in Stearns. But he royally fucked up with this bullpen. And now his solution is to trade for someone else’s garbage in Ryan Stanek? Yeah, loving his near 6 ERA. Stearns is losing me.
I know your stance. Mine is different. We'll see what happens when Garret comes back and if they decide to do what I predict.
IR Diekman/Otto.
Him getting a month of rest before the stretch run is nice timing. I expect him to return and give us a couple of high leverage innings a week.
Meh, Garrett gave runs plenty of times even with 2+ days rest. I just don’t have faith in him. And if you have a RP who is only reliable on 3 or 4+ days of rest - how is that realistic? I do hope he comes back and succeeds (and shuts me up). But I’ve seen enough of him just losing every sense of control to believe that his early season success may have just been a lucky streak in what has been a very mediocre career for him.
Awesome stuff! I noticed under ineppler they started to bring in RPs with monster sliders or at least pitchers that had stuff with big horizontal movement. I think that led them to Ottavino, Raley, and some others. Seems like Stearns following same path.
yeah my guess is if we knew more about how the "smart teams" do it, they have followed similar trends. it doesnt seem like coincidence the mets/rays have had their eyes on a lot of the same players. even fringe guys like sulser.
fairbanks is another possible name i didnt mention but mostly because i think cost will be very high. he has 2 more very reasonable years under control. he is another fit across the board, maybe the best one because he probably has a higher floor than scott with better control and more time under contract.
if the rays are willing to move him, hopefully whichever teams are most aggressive in RP market are willing to step up and that allows mets to get Scott.
I am deadly serious. There's no way I trade a Sproat, Gilbert, or Williams for a rental. That's some George Steinbrenner $hit right there.
I agree....Not sure who else to add to the untradable list, definitely Mauricio, maybe Acuna.
But Kevin Parada is a tradable asset, though not sure how much value he has. Hopefully, Alvarez is your catcher for many years (still only 22 years old!), etc.
Man, losing Senga is tough....will be watching for news of his MRI today. I'll settle for having him back in September, I suppose.
i too am not trading any of the top 10 guys. the best prospects I would trade are Parada, Houck, and maybe Vargas if Miami for some reason sentimentally is like demanding him back for Scott.
Parada and Houck are both pedigree plays, teams like trading for recent first round picks.
you should be able to get some very quality RP without trading more than 1 of those guys and while keeping all the real top prospects.
A guy like Puk would have been more than a rental. He could have been part of the core for the next 2 years after this rest of this season, but the price paid by the D-Backs seemed to rich for the Mets. They can go for the gusto in the offseason though once they figure out what the deal is with Mauricio and Baty in combination with what's gonna happen with Pete in FA.
A guy like Puk would have been more than a rental. He could have been part of the core for the next 2 years after this rest of this season, but the price paid by the D-Backs seemed to rich for the Mets. They can go for the gusto in the offseason though once they figure out what the deal is with Mauricio and Baty in combination with what's gonna happen with Pete in FA.
not sure i agree that trades need to be made in the offseason.
plan A and plan B and maybe both should be Soto/Alonso. no prospects required.
on the pitching side i'd try to retain Severino/Manaea, hopefully at least 1 of them, then continue the bargain shopping Stearns has already shown he's good at. Maybe grab Montgomery off scrap heap. If they want to make a big pursuit of Burnes or Fried I'm ok with that too.
once Tanner Scott gets traded, he will hit FA and have no QO attached too. So if you like him now you can get him then too. Believe the guy Toronto just traded is also now going to hit FA.
so net/net almost everyone in discussion for mets now can be had for nothing but cash in 4 months. only question is if it's worth giving up a parada/houck/vargas type of prospect now to get that player early for a postseason run now? if the player is good enough (like scott, or snell) id say yes.
i think if a big enough met trade happens we just make a thread for that specifically.
deadline thread will probably end up mostly non-mets discussion and we are probably going to do mets discussion in here since the games will be ongoing. in the period where nothing happens it will mostly be griping anyway.
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Lemmee know what you fellas think. I'm thinking we should today. Or should we just rock solely with the generic MLB Trade Deadline thread. Opinions?
i think if a big enough met trade happens we just make a thread for that specifically.
deadline thread will probably end up mostly non-mets discussion and we are probably going to do mets discussion in here since the games will be ongoing. in the period where nothing happens it will mostly be griping anyway.
Makes sense. Take it as it comes then. If something big happens, then we'll switch it up. Until then, our game threads will do. Shecky & Capone are the insiders on the thread linked below:
NFT: MLB Trade Deadline Thread | capone - 7/21/2024 - 12:59 pm - ( New Window )
doubt it he threw 40 pitches 2 days ago.
i would guess the youngs are on standby for 4+ innings combined if necessary today. probably a call up coming too since Senga should at least be an IL move.
the Houser DFA was very unfortunate timing. would be nice to have him in the pen today behind megill.
maton and diaz had yesterday off and stanek hasn't pitched since 7/22 so those 3 should be fresh if it's close. diekman has only pitched once in the last 3 days so he should be avail too.
Butto threw 3 innings two nights ago (40 pitches). I highly doubt he'll be available today. The Mets also need to still make a corresponding move to make room for Tylor on the 26-man roster.
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and will probably see more of Butto if the game isn't out of hand.
Butto threw 3 innings two nights ago (40 pitches). I highly doubt he'll be available today. The Mets also need to still make a corresponding move to make room for Tylor on the 26-man roster.
Orze will be sent down
they released him a few weeks ago.
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Joey Lucchesi up to take the Adrian Hauser role?
they released him a few weeks ago.
sorry it looks like he didnt catch on anywhere else so he ended up back in cuse, but started 2 days ago and got lit up so probably not an option for a call up today. they'd have to put him back on the 40 man but he could be an option for houser role.
07/27/24 - New York Mets activated RHP Ryne Stanek.
07/27/24 - New York Mets placed RHP Kodai Senga on the 15-day injured list. Left calf strain.
07/27/24 - New York Mets recalled RHP Tylor Megill from Syracuse Mets.
07/27/24 - New York Mets optioned RHP Eric Orze to Syracuse Mets.
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Carlos Mendoza, asked if Kodai Senga could be available for the playoffs, says "it's hard to put a timetable" on his return, and calf injuries are "tricky:"
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Breaking: Mets manager Carlos Mendoza said “it’s pretty fair to say” Kodai Senga is done for the “regular season.”
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maybe depth SP becomes more important, but id have probably already been considering that either way knowing Scott was down.
id still want an impact RP and other than that most value hunt depth. maybe id have been more likely to add someone like paxton now but that obviously wouldnt have costed much more than $.
Strength and conditioning methods need to be re-evaluated. I almost think he was on creatine to help muscle contraction.
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Carlos Mendoza, asked if Kodai Senga could be available for the playoffs, says "it's hard to put a timetable" on his return, and calf injuries are "tricky:"
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Breaking: Mets manager Carlos Mendoza said “it’s pretty fair to say” Kodai Senga is done for the “regular season.” https://x.com/SNYtv/status/1817255427580502304 - ( New Window )
Oh man, that stinks....Amazing how much a player that plays once every five days can affect things.
Maybe back for the play-offs (if they get in) is the best case scenario?
Ouch....
Injuries stink....just ask the Braves I suppose
It’s like everyone knows this but the Mets. Just giving away games.
Knowing Megill was starting made it easier to miss the game.
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It’s like everyone knows this but the Mets. Just giving away games.
+1 million
Seems like it. I missed most of it. I saw the last inning. Glad I didn't get to see Megill give up 3 HRs. Yuck.
Knowing Megill was starting made it easier to miss the game.
For real man. Megill makes me wanna hurl. Put him in the pen and insert Butto into the rotation. Too bad about Senga but he's basically missed the entire year this year anyway. Check out the snapshot below of this tweet for some good news:
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good on Stearns for not letting too much out yet. seems pretty good at not telegraphing specific targets.
15 k's for Snell in 6 innings. He's the most fascinating name on the trade market bc of the $ situation. If I were Mets GM I'd be looking to leverage saving SFG as much money as possible by taking on as many of their guys as they are willing to trade. Rogers, Snell, Conforto, whoever.
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Mets lineup vs. Braves today:
SS Francisco Lindor
2B Jose Iglesias
DH Brandon Nimmo
1B Pete Alonso
3B Mark Vientos
RF Jeff McNeil
C Francisco Alvarez
CF Tyrone Taylor
LF Ben Gamel
Starting Lineups for both clubs today.
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Notes:
-Today’s game will be televised on WPIX, but tomorrow’s game will be on SNY.
- The weather forecast for today's game at Citi Field is excellent again. Click HERE to keep updated & see the Hourly AccuWeather Reports from there.
-After yesterday’s loss, the Mets start the day as the N.L.’s 3rd Wildcard. The Diamondbacks are half a game behind the Mets while the Cardinals are two games behind the Mets for that spot now. Click HERE to see the Wildcard standings for both the American League & the National League. A win today would give the Mets a series victory over Atlanta in their last appearance against the Mets in Flushing this regular season (the playoffs are another matter). The next time the Mets see the Braves will be on September 24th in Atlanta for a three-game series that will probably have playoff implications.
-Click HERE to see the list of Mets transactions so far for July.
-Click HERE to see the Mets' 26-man active roster.
-The Mets' 4-man bench for today’s game will consist of Torrens (R), Bader (R), Martinez (R), & Winker (L).
I forgot to update it properly from yesterday. Apologies for the silly error.
Mets vs. Braves | 1:40 pm EDT start - July 28, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Mets' feed – WPIX: Gary, Keith, & Ron (strfish.xyz)
Mets vs. Braves | 1:40 pm EDT start - July 28, 2024 – TV Broadcast: Braves' feed – Bally Sports Southeast: Gaudin & Francoeur (strfish.xyz)
MLB.com - Gameday: Pitch by Pitch – Mets vs. Braves – July 28, 2024 - 1:40 pm EDT start
Enjoy today's game 😊
Jose Quintana
LHP
5-6, 4.02 ERA, 85 SO
vs.
Simeon Woods Richardson
RHP
3-1, 3.27 ERA, 76 SO
Game 2:
Sean Manaea
LHP
6-4, 3.74 ERA, 101 SO
vs.
David Festa
RHP
1-1, 8.16 ERA, 15 SO
Game 3:
Luis Severino
RHP
7-3, 3.58 ERA, 94 SO
vs.
Pablo López
RHP
9-7, 4.73 ERA, 135 SO
Every time I hear his name I think of Marcus Stroman, that malcontent SOB.
obviously Fedde they went after and almost got too.
still have no idea why they backed off imanaga but all the other big markets did too so i can only assume it was medicals.
obviously Fedde they went after and almost got too.
still have no idea why they backed off imanaga but all the other big markets did too so i can only assume it was medicals.
+1
Every time I hear his name I think of Marcus Stroman, that malcontent SOB.
Anthony Kay! Haha!
Mets trade 2 prospects for Stroman Kay, Woods Richardson head to Blue Jays in three-player deal | By Joe Bloss | July 28, 2019 - ( New Window )
Letting the scuffling Braves (your direct competition) tee off on you the past couple of days while your bats fall asleep just amplifies this team’s inconsistency.
I would have rather Stearns use some of his upper minors talent instead of Winker and focus more on pitching.
Walking into this season with Megill as a starter is just malpractice.
Letting the scuffling Braves (your direct competition) tee off on you the past couple of days while your bats fall asleep just amplifies this team’s inconsistency.
I would have rather Stearns use some of his upper minors talent instead of Winker and focus more on pitching.
coop, you have the right to be a fan however you want but you can basically copy/paste this same stupid comment every time they lose or are losing more than 1 game in a row.
at worst they will split this series.
the deadline is still a couple days away and 2 of the players they've acquired in the last 2 days havent even played yet.
on july 28th 2023 Arizona lost their 2nd game in a row to fall to 55-49.
they actually then ended up losing 10 of their next 12 and on 8/11 they were 57-59.
in the new playoff format anything can happen and july predictions are barely worth the mega bytes their typed into.
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well get a wildcard spot, but thats where it will end (in my opinion). They just don’t have the pitching to contend in the post season. Not even close actually.
Letting the scuffling Braves (your direct competition) tee off on you the past couple of days while your bats fall asleep just amplifies this team’s inconsistency.
I would have rather Stearns use some of his upper minors talent instead of Winker and focus more on pitching.
coop, you have the right to be a fan however you want but you can basically copy/paste this same stupid comment every time they lose or are losing more than 1 game in a row.
at worst they will split this series.
the deadline is still a couple days away and 2 of the players they've acquired in the last 2 days havent even played yet.
on july 28th 2023 Arizona lost their 2nd game in a row to fall to 55-49.
they actually then ended up losing 10 of their next 12 and on 8/11 they were 57-59.
in the new playoff format anything can happen and july predictions are barely worth the mega bytes their typed into.
Cool, thanks Eric. You can stick to the riveting posts about exit velocity and I’ll do my thing. K?
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well get a wildcard spot, but thats where it will end (in my opinion). They just don’t have the pitching to contend in the post season. Not even close actually.
Letting the scuffling Braves (your direct competition) tee off on you the past couple of days while your bats fall asleep just amplifies this team’s inconsistency.
I would have rather Stearns use some of his upper minors talent instead of Winker and focus more on pitching.
coop, you have the right to be a fan however you want but you can basically copy/paste this same stupid comment every time they lose or are losing more than 1 game in a row.
at worst they will split this series.
the deadline is still a couple days away and 2 of the players they've acquired in the last 2 days havent even played yet.
on july 28th 2023 Arizona lost their 2nd game in a row to fall to 55-49.
they actually then ended up losing 10 of their next 12 and on 8/11 they were 57-59.
in the new playoff format anything can happen and july predictions are barely worth the mega bytes their typed into.
Cool, thanks Eric. You can stick to the riveting posts about exit velocity and I’ll do my thing. K?
sounds like we have a plan.
Nice job, Stearns?
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Good Twin team coming in this week, let's hope for 2 of 3 before they go on a long roadie.
Petersen has looked like a major league pitcher this year and they're going to need more of that, especially if Megill is starting every 5th day.
6 and 4 since the All-Star break; keep up that pace and they are in business.
Circle August 22-29 on your Met's calendar....those are seven games on the road against San Diego and Arizona....big games.
-Oriole are leading the Padres in the 8th (Go O's)
-Pirates & D-backs are scoreless in the 2nd (a loss by either side helps, but a D-backs loss would be better a the moment)
MLB Scoreboard - July 28, 2024 - ( New Window )
Good Twin team coming in this week, let's hope for 2 of 3 before they go on a long roadie.
Petersen has looked like a major league pitcher this year and they're going to need more of that, especially if Megill is starting every 5th day.
6 and 4 since the All-Star break; keep up that pace and they are in business.
Circle August 22-29 on your Met's calendar....those are seven games on the road against San Diego and Arizona....big games.
they cannot count on megill, they need to add another SP option even if it's a paxton level depth player.
i would be surprised if they dont have 1 bigger move left in them, the question now is if they go BP or SP?
i think they add some depth to both, but where is the better place to go big impact?
id still be trying to take on as much $ from SFG as possible to kill 2 birds/1 stone.
Good Twin team coming in this week, let's hope for 2 of 3 before they go on a long roadie.
Petersen has looked like a major league pitcher this year and they're going to need more of that, especially if Megill is starting every 5th day.
6 and 4 since the All-Star break; keep up that pace and they are in business.
Circle August 22-29 on your Met's calendar....those are seven games on the road against San Diego and Arizona....big games.
Spot on danny. It's be nice Marte comes back too (I'm sick of him, but that's neither here nor there). Great point about those games around this next month on the road against the D-bags and Pads. I didn't notice till you pointed that out. Thanks!
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Dayum! That would change things for them a lot.
Reynaldo López To Undergo MRI Due To Forearm Tightness | By Darragh McDonald | July 28, 2024 at 3:59pm CDT
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see ya in 18 months. pitching is such a shitty profession.
Dayum! That would change things for them a lot.
Reynaldo López To Undergo MRI Due To Forearm Tightness | By Darragh McDonald | July 28, 2024 at 3:59pm CDT
I only peeked at the score and lost interest once it was 4-0...but, I wondered why Lopez came out after three.
Wow, if this is anything serious, the Braves will really be the hard luck injury team....Acuna, Albies, Strider, Fried and now Lopez?
Pitchers and injuries...totally different world in 2024...it's all about velocity, spin rate and then these pitchers break down.
Speaking of arm injuries, anyone know what's going on with Jacob DeGrom?
I’ve actually felt this way for a long time and said as much in the past (so sorry for posting the same stupid comment again!).
With deGrom’s stuff, he’d rival Mariano as a closer (as crazy as that is to say). But - there’s more money in the starting pitching game - and it’s always about the money. DeGrom as a closer would be nasty.
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He can't be relied upon anymore as a starter.
I’ve actually felt this way for a long time and said as much in the past (so sorry for posting the same stupid comment again!).
With deGrom’s stuff, he’d rival Mariano as a closer (as crazy as that is to say). But - there’s more money in the starting pitching game - and it’s always about the money. DeGrom as a closer would be nasty.
It's the right move. He just can't give up the ghost though as far as starting is concerned. I'm glad the Mets let him walk. He didn't want to come back here anyway. Glad he got a ring---one that he (& Max) didn't actually earn, but that's neither here nor there, lol.
The only game left to be played on today's schedule is in progress now: Yankees @ Red Sox. It's 1-0 Prison Stripers in the 1st. Yaaaaawwn.
Nice job, Stearns?
after 1 fucking appearance and you're already like this? dude, be better.
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Trade for someone else’s garbage and you still get…garbage.
Nice job, Stearns?
after 1 fucking appearance and you're already like this? dude, be better.
I’m sorry - is this the first time he’s pitched this season? I guess a new uniform means that his shitty season (and shitty season last year) just go away? Maybe you are just another Stearns fanboy. Cool for you. What exactly were you expecting from Stanek?
Or…even better….you can just fuck off.
07/28/24 - New York Mets activated LF Jesse Winker.
07/28/24 - New York Mets optioned LF DJ Stewart to Syracuse Mets.
07/28/24 - New York Mets traded RHP Tyler Stuart to Washington Nationals for LF Jesse Winker.
07/27/24 - New York Mets placed RHP Kodai Senga on the 15-day injured list. Left calf strain.
07/27/24 - New York Mets activated RHP Ryne Stanek.
07/27/24 - New York Mets recalled RHP Tylor Megill from Syracuse Mets.
07/27/24 - New York Mets optioned RHP Eric Orze to Syracuse Mets.
07/26/24 - New York Mets placed RHP Dedniel Núñez on the 15-day injured list retroactive to July 24, 2024. Right pronator strain.
07/26/24 - New York Mets activated RHP Kodai Senga from the 60-day injured list.
07/26/24 - New York Mets designated RHP Shintaro Fujinami for assignment.
07/26/24 - New York Mets designated RHP Adrian Houser for assignment.
07/26/24 - New York Mets designated LHP Josh Walker for assignment.
07/26/24 - New York Mets traded RHP Cole Sulser to Tampa Bay Rays for cash.
07/26/24 - New York Mets recalled RHP Eric Orze from Syracuse Mets.
07/26/24 - Seattle Mariners traded RHP Ryne Stanek to New York Mets for OF Rhylan Thomas.
MLB.com Mets' roster transactions so far for July. - ( New Window )
I’m good, chief. Thanks.
the SFG are close enough to the WC now that they seem to not have certainty whether they are buying or selling. final 46 hours are going to be wild, a lot of big targets still out there. i think fedde, scott, and fairbanks are probably 3 of the top targets for mets. flaherty somewhere in there too.
then a bunch of depth options to fill in around whatever impact guy they think is fairly priced enough.
other than scott not much there in the lefty relief market.
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On Sunday, “insane” prices complicated the Mets brand new rotation search
Though the Mets have and will continue to explore every possibility, expectations shifted on Sunday. The team is now seeking a possible depth starter, along with -- they hope -- one more reliever.
An important caveat to any trade deadline report is that market dynamics change every day, and there is a relative eternity between now and 6 .p.m. Tuesday. Some of these sellers will lower their demand before the end.
Right?
“Everyone I spoke to today said the starting pitching and relief market are insane,” said one longtime general manager. “Maybe it will change Tuesday.”
The Mets have never intended to part with top prospects in trades this year, and have cleverly managed to acquire two pitchers in relievers Phil Maton and Ryne Stanek, without doing so. They achieved that with a combination of taking on salary and targeting a pair of relievers having decent but uneven years. Of course, that strategy also comes with performance risk, and Stanek was booed off the mound Sunday after allowing two home runs in his Mets debut.
As committed as they have become to winning this season, the Mets expect to remain disciplined about trading top prospects. By the end of Sunday, there was a sense that unless prices came way down, their remaining trade deadline activity would be modest.
hopefully they can take on some quality players with big salaries bc i agree it's definitely not worth giving up top prospects. we may yet end up regretting not having outbid AZ for AJ Puk.
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Trade for someone else’s garbage and you still get…garbage.
Nice job, Stearns?
after 1 fucking appearance and you're already like this? dude, be better.
I’m sorry - is this the first time he’s pitched this season? I guess a new uniform means that his shitty season (and shitty season last year) just go away? Maybe you are just another Stearns fanboy. Cool for you. What exactly were you expecting from Stanek?
Or…even better….you can just fuck off.
thanks cooper
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On Sunday, “insane” prices complicated the Mets brand new rotation search
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A day after the Mets jumped into the starting pitching market, they fell victim to the same frustrations complicating everyone’s pursuit of arms: The prices were so high that they had to adjust their plans.
Though the Mets have and will continue to explore every possibility, expectations shifted on Sunday. The team is now seeking a possible depth starter, along with -- they hope -- one more reliever.
An important caveat to any trade deadline report is that market dynamics change every day, and there is a relative eternity between now and 6 .p.m. Tuesday. Some of these sellers will lower their demand before the end.
Right?
“Everyone I spoke to today said the starting pitching and relief market are insane,” said one longtime general manager. “Maybe it will change Tuesday.”
The Mets have never intended to part with top prospects in trades this year, and have cleverly managed to acquire two pitchers in relievers Phil Maton and Ryne Stanek, without doing so. They achieved that with a combination of taking on salary and targeting a pair of relievers having decent but uneven years. Of course, that strategy also comes with performance risk, and Stanek was booed off the mound Sunday after allowing two home runs in his Mets debut.
As committed as they have become to winning this season, the Mets expect to remain disciplined about trading top prospects. By the end of Sunday, there was a sense that unless prices came way down, their remaining trade deadline activity would be modest.
hopefully they can take on some quality players with big salaries bc i agree it's definitely not worth giving up top prospects. we may yet end up regretting not having outbid AZ for AJ Puk. On Sunday, 'insane' pitching prices complicated Mets' new rotation search - ( New Window )
supply and demand.
I know its risky, but thinking outside of box, what about trading for a pitcher coming back from injury soon and with control for next year? Like a Casey Mize or maybe take on Alex Cobb and split his 10m
could maybe mention Luzardo but not sure how he is faring.
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On Sunday, “insane” prices complicated the Mets brand new rotation search
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A day after the Mets jumped into the starting pitching market, they fell victim to the same frustrations complicating everyone’s pursuit of arms: The prices were so high that they had to adjust their plans.
Though the Mets have and will continue to explore every possibility, expectations shifted on Sunday. The team is now seeking a possible depth starter, along with -- they hope -- one more reliever.
An important caveat to any trade deadline report is that market dynamics change every day, and there is a relative eternity between now and 6 .p.m. Tuesday. Some of these sellers will lower their demand before the end.
Right?
“Everyone I spoke to today said the starting pitching and relief market are insane,” said one longtime general manager. “Maybe it will change Tuesday.”
The Mets have never intended to part with top prospects in trades this year, and have cleverly managed to acquire two pitchers in relievers Phil Maton and Ryne Stanek, without doing so. They achieved that with a combination of taking on salary and targeting a pair of relievers having decent but uneven years. Of course, that strategy also comes with performance risk, and Stanek was booed off the mound Sunday after allowing two home runs in his Mets debut.
As committed as they have become to winning this season, the Mets expect to remain disciplined about trading top prospects. By the end of Sunday, there was a sense that unless prices came way down, their remaining trade deadline activity would be modest.
hopefully they can take on some quality players with big salaries bc i agree it's definitely not worth giving up top prospects. we may yet end up regretting not having outbid AZ for AJ Puk. On Sunday, 'insane' pitching prices complicated Mets' new rotation search - ( New Window )
supply and demand.
I know its risky, but thinking outside of box, what about trading for a pitcher coming back from injury soon and with control for next year? Like a Casey Mize or maybe take on Alex Cobb and split his 10m
could maybe mention Luzardo but not sure how he is faring.
I'm bullish on Luzardo. I've always wanted him on the Mets.