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#Giants100 Daboll - Nabers works very hard...for a young WR, he has been able to play different spots....often you keep rookies in one spot early
#Giants100 Daboll - Nabers competitive and knows there will be rough
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Brian Daboll said rookie safety Tyler Nubin’s calf is a little tight. It’s nothing long-term. They’re being smart with him. Tomorrow is an off day and pads will come on next week. Jermaine Eluemunor will likely be limited again today, the same as yesterday.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Daboll on Singletary - very good discipline and tremendous will and grit...dependable...communicator...very good leader in RB room..respected teammate
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Daboll on ARobinson - knows how to be a pro....been good on field and adds leadership....example is how he was giving private advice to Nabers in film room
#Giants100 Daboll - rolling different guys in lineup to see things
I know we're 3 or so days into practice, but I'd like some continuity on the OL, health provided of course. I thought they fucked that up last summer shuffling too many guys around.
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#Giants100 Daboll - Hyatt really improved since he was picked....routes, understanding, play speed...works a ton with coach Groh....all the WRs are in good competition
are we going to have another "year of the calf" injury situation?
#Giants100 Daboll - rolling different guys in lineup to see things
I know we're 3 or so days into practice, but I'd like some continuity on the OL, health provided of course. I thought they fucked that up last summer shuffling too many guys around.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
DT Timmy Horne has a calf as well and won’t practice. Daboll also admitted LB Micah McFadden and TE Jack Stoll are still ramping up and limited from spring injuries
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Daboll said OL Jermaine Eluemunor (ribs) is in the same boat as yesterday, hoping he’ll be back after tomorrow’s day off. S Tyler Nubin (calf) also won’t practice again. Daboll said Nubin’s calf is “tight” but doesn’t view it as anything long term. DL Timmy Horne (calf) won’t practice today.
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
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Banks with a PD on pass intended for Nabers, although Tae might have gotten away with a hold lol
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Daniel Jones to Malik Nabers complete. Later, Jones had Nabers in end zone. Ball hung in the air, Nabers had his hands on it but couldn’t complete catch #Giants https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1816848912243696072 - ( New Window )
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Daniel reads the blitz well and hits Slay on an out. Dabes high-fives Daniel as he comes off field.
Lock with a gorgeous throw on a go to Turbo Miller for a TD. LB Muasau couldn’t stay with Miller, just too fast.
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Daniel misses a wide open Robinson because Burns beat Thomas on a swim move forcing ball out
Art Stapleton
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Likely final drive for starting offense:
Daniel Jones to Malik Nabers, deep shot on sideline vs Tae Banks
Jones to Jalin Hyatt on Banks, good coverage, better catch
Jones keeper to EZ, TD
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In two minute drill, Jones connected deep with Nabers up the sideline on the 1st play, and then found Hyatt on a back shoulder at the one yard line.
A designed QB run up the middle capped the drive in three plays with a quick TD
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Daniel to Malik on a go beating Banks. Daniel with beautiful back shoulder to Hyatt beating Banks. Daniel on a keeper for six. Beautiful drive led by beautiful balls by Daniel
Bobby Skinner
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 3 thoughts
•Really rough day for Daniel Jones. Threw 6 times 20+ yards & all but one nice Malik Nabers throw was a miss. Some egregious. Plus an INT
•Flip side to that is defense is letting guys get open downfield. They were aggressive in their rush today
•Brian Burns had a lot of good plays & one nasty one on Andrew Thomas
•Jermaine Eluemunor practicing in 11 on 11
•Dante Miller living up to Turbo nickname. Deep TD on a 50+ yard wheel route & another beating the blitz
•Dane Belton with a sick INT to end practice undercutting a Malik Nabers back shoulder
•offense ran a lot of 4 WR & defense 6 DB’s with Andru Phillips
-Glad guys are getting open and Jones is attempting them
-I'd rather Jones miss now than in actual games
-If he continues missing in games, fine, adios.
Skinner has clipped the one Jones completion to Nabers deep from this practice and it was a very good ball. Man I'm just trying to be optimistic here lol.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Runyan - neal is battling to get back...always there and preparing and going over plays...he is a great athlete..he will be fine when he makes it back...dexter can be one of the best alltime - amazing athlete and a blessing to practice vs him
are simply going to accept the fact that we don't have a quarterback. It is what it is.
Yep, and the big unknown is when we will get one. Despite the QB, this team may be good enough to win 6 or 7 games, which would likely result in us drafting too low to get a top QB prospect. QB purgatory
We say this every year, but many don't listen. I've been burned by that too many times --both ways, getting excited and getting too down. We actually saw the opposite last year. Jones had a great camp throwing the ball down field. Then the games came. Historically, the offense is almost always behind the defense early on. Last year was one of the exceptions where offense looked great from the start.
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants100 Nabers - about groh saying he wanted him over the other WRs, makik says he watched a lot of harrison on film, great respect for him....
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#Giants100 ARobinson - did not have a vet in the roo. when he came into the league so it is important to him to help these young guys as much as he can..and it reinforces his own thoughts...sky is the limit for nabers - just trying to give some some details that will assist him
Nick Falato
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Maybe a confusion? The routes seem very close together
Still, Hyatt just misses hauling in a pass along the sidelines after having a step against Tre Hawkins III. https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1816853631599030706 - ( New Window )
Hyatt had 2 hands on the ball high-pointing it. Gotta catch those.
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Malik Nabers called his shot on the go ball that set up Giants’ TD drive in second to last team period. Daniel Jones asked him if he wanted to change it up with defense in press man and Nabers said no.
We say this every year, but many don't listen. I've been burned by that too many times --both ways, getting excited and getting too down. We actually saw the opposite last year. Jones had a great camp throwing the ball down field. Then the games came. Historically, the offense is almost always behind the defense early on. Last year was one of the exceptions where offense looked great from the start.
Did he have a great camp? He was bad in the joint practices. The red flags were there.
It is the beginning of camp. He's coming off his ACL injury when almost nobody thought he'd be ready but now, and throwing to a new WR. Do you guys expect him to be perfect on all of his throws right now? What matters is that the reads are correct and he's going to the right spot with the ball. Fuckin chill out. It is what it is this year.
That is a throw I’d expect a HS QB to complete. You can’t miss those. Not in practice, not in the game. The fact that our 6th year QB cannot complete that pass in shorts is worrisome.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
i can live with it, He needs to be agressive, to many times last year he would check down and then the next dat you look and there is video of guys running wide open down the field..
That Nabers play is perhaps a good sign that he threw the ball even when he wasnt wide open..
That is a throw I’d expect a HS QB to complete. You can’t miss those. Not in practice, not in the game. The fact that our 6th year QB cannot complete that pass in shorts is worrisome.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
I dont trust Jones at all but to be fair Burns beat Thomas clean and wJones had to rush it
We say this every year, but many don't listen. I've been burned by that too many times --both ways, getting excited and getting too down. We actually saw the opposite last year. Jones had a great camp throwing the ball down field. Then the games came. Historically, the offense is almost always behind the defense early on. Last year was one of the exceptions where offense looked great from the start.
Did he have a great camp? He was bad in the joint practices. The red flags were there.
I've been to enough camps to know not to read too much into it. But yes, I attended many sessions last year and Jones had a good camp. The bad day in joint practices was on the first day. Day 2 was good. I'm not making a case for Jones. But knee jerk reactions to camp reports is flawed. Eli had more than his share of rough camps, especially early on in camp.
are simply going to accept the fact that we don't have a quarterback. It is what it is.
Agreed. But it's like the five stages of grief, with the last stage being acceptance. Many fans are incredibly still not at that point. Maybe that's because with each new training camp there is renewed hope. But although that may be fine at other positions, it isn't at QB. We have two journeyman backups or "bridge starters" and a third QB whose career will likely be bouncing around various practice squads for a few years.
That is a throw I’d expect a HS QB to complete. You can’t miss those. Not in practice, not in the game. The fact that our 6th year QB cannot complete that pass in shorts is worrisome.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
there was that overthrow of Cager vs Seattle in 2022 that is etched in my memory. An easy pass that any HS QB can nail, and Jones just missed. And on a brilliant play design and call.
Bobby Skinner
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Giants Training Camp Day 3 thoughts
•Really rough day for Daniel Jones. Threw 6 times 20+ yards & all but one nice Malik Nabers throw was a miss. Some egregious. Plus an INT
•Flip side to that is defense is letting guys get open downfield. They were aggressive in their rush today
•Brian Burns had a lot of good plays & one nasty one on Andrew Thomas
•Jermaine Eluemunor practicing in 11 on 11
•Dante Miller living up to Turbo nickname. Deep TD on a 50+ yard wheel route & another beating the blitz
•Dane Belton with a sick INT to end practice undercutting a Malik Nabers back shoulder
•offense ran a lot of 4 WR & defense 6 DB’s with Andru Phillips
I am really pulling for Dante Miller. Such an interesting backstory (kinda got jobbed by the NCAA, but at least he can fall back on his degree from Columbia!).
to see the same things from Daniel Jones (slow to process information, slow to read defenses, missing receivers deep when they are open, taking too many sacks) we have seen the last 5 years. Don't know why anyone would think year six would be any different. I hope I am wrong. I do think that Nabers is the type of talent where you can force him the ball some and that will take some of the reading and processing out of what Jones has to do.
That is a throw I’d expect a HS QB to complete. You can’t miss those. Not in practice, not in the game. The fact that our 6th year QB cannot complete that pass in shorts is worrisome.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
there was that overthrow of Cager vs Seattle in 2022 that is etched in my memory. An easy pass that any HS QB can nail, and Jones just missed. And on a brilliant play design and call.
Yup, that one. There’s a couple to Shep that stand out. Think one was 2022 vs Panthers, another was on a double move vs TB in the MNF game. The Slayton one on TNF vs WFT - you can blame that one Slayton, but fact of the matter is he had no one within 20 yards of him and had to chase down the ball to attempt an outstretched finger tip catch.
Overthrowing a wide open receiver is unacceptable for a professional QB. It’s a common occurrence with DJ. You have to give your guy a chance…its always better to slightly under throw a wide open receiver than it is to overthrow them
What I want to see from Jones and the offense se is being more aggressive throwing the 10-19 yard shots and occasionally the ones 20+. If they miss, so be it, I just want to see Daboll drill it in them to try. To push it. It's practice and that's what these moments are for. Whining and bitching about training camp stats has been dumb since forever.
As for the scrimmages, I do recall the offense struggling last year in the first meeting with DET and they did really well in the second one. I'm looking forward to that and hopefully Nubin, Theo and Neal can make an appearance then. Jones playing this early and so much is surprising to me. I remember back in the spring, they weren't sure he would be ready by camp at all. Kyler Murray took his time and didn't shake off the rust from his time off until a long while after returning.
Most of us do. Main thing IMO is that he needs to be taking the shots down field when there're there. I get it, the line was a disaster and a half a year ago, especially early on, but he was flat out gun shy and didn't take the chances even when they were there and he had the protection to do it. If Jones doesn't do that, then he won't be QB for very long. No way is Dabs taking over play calling plus invested #6 overall on the most explosive player in the draft only to have his QB refuse to attack down field. So I won't get hung up on this day's practice report or that. But then the bullets are flying for real, he better have a set of balls.
And not too much into these practices. Jones looked great in practice last season, and then went out and sucked in the regular season. He look terrible in training camp 2022, and had a solid season. Don’t put to much stock in these practices.
And not too much into these practices. Jones looked great in practice last season, and then went out and sucked in the regular season. He look terrible in training camp 2022, and had a solid season. Don’t put to much stock in these practices.
Dan Duggan
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No practice report today, so here are some observations:
• There was more action in this practice because they expanded beyond the red zone for the first time. And now, I wade gently into Daniel Jones criticism...
• It looked like Jones had salvaged a rough day with a strong two-minute drive, highlighted by a bomb to Malik Nabers and a strike to Jalin Hyatt on a back-shoulder throw. But then the offense got another drive and it ended with Jones forcing a pass to Nabers in the end zone that was undercut by a leaping Dane Belton for an interception.
This was the first practice Jones really aired it out and, aside from the deep shot to Nabers, his accuracy was poor. He air-mailed a wide-open Wan'Dale Robinson, under-threw Nabers on a slot fade (good coverage by Deonte Banks) and threw behind Daniel Bellinger on a crossing route. Hyatt failed to making a leaping catch on a deep crossing route.
The throw that stood out the most for the wrong reason was a deep pass across the field to Nabers. Jones rolled right and threw back to the left side to Nabers, who had gotten open against Cor'Dale Flott. The throw was behind Nabers, allowing Flott to contest the pass. Nabers still could have made the catch, but it should have been an easy TD if Jones threw the ball harder/leads Nabers more.
And now the Jones disclaimer: He's the starting QB. His play is going to be analyzed. Some days he will be good, other days he will be bad. The coverage will be positive on the good days and critical on the bad days. Now, onto other developments:
• The lock of the preseason is that rookie RB Dante Miller is going to become a fan favorite. He beat LB Darius Muasau for a 60-yard TD bomb from Drew Lock. Impressive job tracking the ball. Miller also caught a quick pass in the flat and showed why his nickname is "Turbo" after Tommy DeVito did a good recognizing pressure off the edge.
• Jimmy Morrissey was the first-team center for the final three drives. John Michael Schmitz didn't appear to be injured, so maybe just giving Morrissey some reps with the 1's in case he becomes the backup. He got more reps with the 2's than Austin Schlottmann in the spring. One concern with Morrissey is a tendency for high shotgun snaps. Had one today that Jones handled.
• Can't evaluate the trenches much at this point, but Brian Burns beat Andrew Thomas cleanly with an inside move on the play that Jones over-threw Wan'Dale. Don't see Thomas get beat like that often.
• Lot of dime work for the defense today. Nick McCloud remains the top slot corner and Dru Phillips was the sixth DB. McCloud played the "money" backer position in the dime.
• I still don't understand why Deonte Banks is sitting out multiple periods for Tre Hawkins. Daboll's answer pre-practice didn't provide much insight.
• It seems like Micah McFadden will have to battle for the starting ILB job. Dyontae Johnson and Carter Coughlin have gotten some reps with the 1's in camp. And it doesn't seem to be strictly related to a pitch count for McFadden since he was with the second-team defense at times today.
Emory Hunt
@FBallGameplan
Takeaways from Day 3 of #Giants camp:
- Long field focus on today's practice, as opposed to RZ focus yesterday.
- Dante Miller has an elite gear to be a threat in the vertical passing game.
- WRs impressive in terms of their ability to gain leverage on the DBs
- QBs were ⬆️⬇️
Two times out of five doesn’t mean Jones is good at it. Any QB in the league has the ability to be in the top 10 if a small sample size stat every now and then.
QBs that are good at it are doing it consistently. That’s the separation between good and bad.
The Giants will not be a contender this year and paying Barkley that obscene contract wouldn't have made sense from a positional value or financial standpoint. The Rams were not expected to compete that much for the division and a playoff spot, but they were right there in the WC. Their most experienced RB was Darrell Henderson (or Royce Freeman) and they started a 5th round rookie in Kyren Williams. They did pay Singletary a bit but Daboll is familiar with him and they have a sea of young backs behind him. I love the RB situation and can't wait to see all of them in the preseason get a chance to play.
is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
I don't think accuracy is his problem at all. His problem is he doesn't throw the ball when he should. His putting the ball in the right spot too late. NFL QBs have to anticipate. Jones has to see it first.
Physically Daniel Jones could be very solid NFL starter. It is the mental part of the game where he still looks like a rookie starting his first game and not trusting or understanding anything he sees.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton
Sense I get: Nubin and Giants could have pushed it, hoping his calf would loosen up in practice, but smart move, obviously, was to back off and make sure a cramping issue does not turn into a calf issue. Calf injuries can be very tricky.
But Nubin's been engaged in practice from sideline. He was very vocal today at one point with teammate and fellow rookie DB Alex Johnson. Was coaching him up during one team period. #alpha
Dante Miller lived up to his Turbo nickname when fellow rookie LB Darius Muasau got caught up in man coverage on Miller out wide.
Drew Lock fired about a 50-yard bomb to Turbo, who raced into the end zone. Speed as advertised. #Giants100
RE: RE: RE: the one thing I am not at all worried about with DJ
I don't think accuracy is his problem at all. His problem is he doesn't throw the ball when he should. His putting the ball in the right spot too late. NFL QBs have to anticipate. Jones has to see it first.
Physically Daniel Jones could be very solid NFL starter. It is the mental part of the game where he still looks like a rookie starting his first game and not trusting or understanding anything he sees.
I think this is right, Mike, he needs a better, faster processor. I think Daboll sees this too, re. his comments about reducing/eliminating the 7 on 7s and wanting to see the entire picture. It's getting very late.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
The strangest thing is Daboll has exhibited the ability to get maximum value out of every quarterback he's coached.
If the Giants had a quarterback who was just a little more mentally capable than Jones, they would be contenders. Yet they're going backward with the QB talent.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
If Jones has a massive year and stays healthy (which I am hoping for but not expecting) that would be great for the Giants because they can possibly trade him and recoup something.
The only way it makes sense to have him on the roster next year is that he had another below-average year and he is holding the spot until a rookie is ready.
This should not be a make or break year for Jones. The book should already be closed on Jones. 2024 can't be allowed to become the second time this front office confuses itself with what it has in Jones.
If given the chance can be our next Julian Love. He just has a nose for the football. He a ball hawk. I can see him and Nubin as the starting safeties long term.
In 2020. Keep telling yourself stuff until you believe it's true though. Link - ( New Window )
You can add this for the Jones flat earthers. 81% on target rate -- #1 in accuracy in the NFL -- a bit ahead of Rogers and Burrow. Link - ( New Window )
Who is keeping track of that, his mother?
When all you throw is slants, 5 yard outs and safety valves, I am sure that is great.
I don't think there is much about his passing that is keeping DC's up at night.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
Looking forward to hearing it.
The thing is, what's the alternative to Jones in 2025? There's nothing in the pipeline (I'm assuming they aren't high on DeVito considering he was better than Jones last year but isn't getting a shot at the job).
If this season goes bad the enormity of their fuck up in the 2024 draft is going to come into stark relief.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
Looking forward to hearing it.
The thing is, what's the alternative to Jones in 2025? There's nothing in the pipeline (I'm assuming they aren't high on DeVito considering he was better than Jones last year but isn't getting a shot at the job).
If this season goes bad the enormity of their fuck up in the 2024 draft is going to come into stark relief.
They only "fucked up" if McCarthy, Nix, or Penix turn out to be studs.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
If Jones has a massive year and stays healthy (which I am hoping for but not expecting) that would be great for the Giants because they can possibly trade him and recoup something.
The only way it makes sense to have him on the roster next year is that he had another below-average year and he is holding the spot until a rookie is ready.
This should not be a make or break year for Jones. The book should already be closed on Jones. 2024 can't be allowed to become the second time this front office confuses itself with what it has in Jones.
I can't imagine being so wrapped in a pretzel to think even if Jones kicks ass this year, there is no way he should be on the team in 2025. That's incredible.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
If Jones has a massive year and stays healthy (which I am hoping for but not expecting) that would be great for the Giants because they can possibly trade him and recoup something.
The only way it makes sense to have him on the roster next year is that he had another below-average year and he is holding the spot until a rookie is ready.
This should not be a make or break year for Jones. The book should already be closed on Jones. 2024 can't be allowed to become the second time this front office confuses itself with what it has in Jones.
No question you are right. But given the way his contract is constructed and the recent barrage of ludicrous contracts, it is a virtual certainty he will be back again for a seventh season. We are likely at least two years away from truly moving on from DJ.
about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
Looking forward to hearing it.
The thing is, what's the alternative to Jones in 2025? There's nothing in the pipeline (I'm assuming they aren't high on DeVito considering he was better than Jones last year but isn't getting a shot at the job).
If this season goes bad the enormity of their fuck up in the 2024 draft is going to come into stark relief.
They only "fucked up" if McCarthy, Nix, or Penix turn out to be studs.
Or Maye is a stud - if you think Schoen didn't up the ante enough.
RE: RE: the one thing I am not at all worried about with DJ
is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
Yes, so inaccurate his nick name was Danny Dimes and had one of the highest completion record on deep passes 1st year and 2nd year was decent too.
Yes, I am not a jones fan. But how about give him more than three days with Nabers and Hyatt to get the timing down, especially coming off knee surgery.
Check back with me in August.
RE: RE: RE: the one thing I am not at all worried about with DJ
is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
Yes, so inaccurate his nick name was Danny Dimes and had one of the highest completion record on deep passes 1st year and 2nd year was decent too.
Yes, I am not a jones fan. But how about give him more than three days with Nabers and Hyatt to get the timing down, especially coming off knee surgery.
Check back with me in August.
This convo has jumped the shark that people are now making shit up. I won't argue with anyone that say the game is too fast for him or he is injury prone but some of these takes are just false.
is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
Yes, so inaccurate his nick name was Danny Dimes and had one of the highest completion record on deep passes 1st year and 2nd year was decent too.
Yes, I am not a jones fan. But how about give him more than three days with Nabers and Hyatt to get the timing down, especially coming off knee surgery.
Check back with me in August.
We have to realize that if you gotta go back 5 years to find when a player was good at something, that isnt really good.
Flip a coin and pick whichever year you want, the point is he has had 2 such years out of 6. People will latch onto that often-parroted deep ball accuracy stat without fully understanding what information feeds that stat.
Professional WRs getting behind a defense and this QB continues
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#Giants100 Daboll - competitive practices so far..
#Giants100 Daboll - rolling different guys in lineup to see things
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#Giants100 Daboll - Eleumunor (ribs) and Nubin (tight calf) limited today but likely back in full by Monday (full pads)
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#Giants100 Daboll - Cager playing faster now....knows the calls and the system
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#Giants100 Daboll - Nabers works very hard...for a young WR, he has been able to play different spots....often you keep rookies in one spot early
#Giants100 Daboll - Nabers competitive and knows there will be rough
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Brian Daboll said rookie safety Tyler Nubin’s calf is a little tight. It’s nothing long-term. They’re being smart with him. Tomorrow is an off day and pads will come on next week. Jermaine Eluemunor will likely be limited again today, the same as yesterday.
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#Giants100 Daboll on Singletary - very good discipline and tremendous will and grit...dependable...communicator...very good leader in RB room..respected teammate
@charlottecrrll
Brian Daboll on WR Malik Nabers #giants
“He’s got the right mindset.”
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Daboll gives safety Jason Pinnock “a lot of credit. … I expect him to play well.”
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#Giants100 Daboll on ARobinson - knows how to be a pro....been good on field and adds leadership....example is how he was giving private advice to Nabers in film room
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#Giants100 Daboll - competitive practices so far..
#Giants100 Daboll - rolling different guys in lineup to see things
I know we're 3 or so days into practice, but I'd like some continuity on the OL, health provided of course. I thought they fucked that up last summer shuffling too many guys around.
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#Giants100 Daboll - Hyatt really improved since he was picked....routes, understanding, play speed...works a ton with coach Groh....all the WRs are in good competition
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#Giants100 Daboll - tim horne (calf) will not work today
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#Giants100 Daboll - competitive practices so far..
#Giants100 Daboll - rolling different guys in lineup to see things
I know we're 3 or so days into practice, but I'd like some continuity on the OL, health provided of course. I thought they fucked that up last summer shuffling too many guys around.
I think you answered your own concern.
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DT Timmy Horne has a calf as well and won’t practice. Daboll also admitted LB Micah McFadden and TE Jack Stoll are still ramping up and limited from spring injuries
@DDuggan21
Daboll said OL Jermaine Eluemunor (ribs) is in the same boat as yesterday, hoping he’ll be back after tomorrow’s day off. S Tyler Nubin (calf) also won’t practice again. Daboll said Nubin’s calf is “tight” but doesn’t view it as anything long term. DL Timmy Horne (calf) won’t practice today.
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Clear blue skies, low humidity, gentle breeze. Perfect weather for Giants training camp Day 3.
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Good coverage from Deonte Banks on rookie WR Malik Nabers #giants
Dane Belton pumping up Banks after this one.
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Jermaine Eluemunor actually is back at RT with the first team offense today in team reps
Dan Duggan
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Strike that, Eluemunor was taking some reps at RT in the first 11-on-11 period
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Banks with a PD on pass intended for Nabers, although Tae might have gotten away with a hold lol
Lock misses an open Boykin for TD
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Thibodeaux & Burns working rush drills
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Daniel Jones hits Malik Nabers underneath
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Jones rolled right on a designed throwback left to a crossing Nabers who was open
The ball was thrown behind and Flott broke the play up
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Rookie TE Theo Johnson looks healthy doing light sprints on the side
Tyler Nubin is also off to the side running
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Working off to the side
Jalen Mills, Stanley Thomas Oliver, and Theo Johnson…Aaron Robinson was briefly there. No sight of Evan Neal yet.
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Good amount of 4 WR sets for Giants today
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Daniel Jones to Malik Nabers complete. Later, Jones had Nabers in end zone. Ball hung in the air, Nabers had his hands on it but couldn’t complete catch #Giants
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Nice read by DeVito hitting Miller out of backfield on a blitz for a TD
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Stole a couple reps, now Josh Ezeudu at RT. Working Eluemunor back in gradually
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Daniel reads the blitz well and hits Slay on an out. Dabes high-fives Daniel as he comes off field.
Lock with a gorgeous throw on a go to Turbo Miller for a TD. LB Muasau couldn’t stay with Miller, just too fast.
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Daniel misses a wide open Robinson because Burns beat Thomas on a swim move forcing ball out
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Good amount of 4 WR sets for Giants today
We can only hope!
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Drew Lock connects deep with Dante “Turbo” Miller for a touchdown
This is the second time Turbo turned heads today
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Wan’Dale Robinson escaped the defense and was wide open, but the connection was not there
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Maybe a confusion? The routes seem very close together
Still, Hyatt just misses hauling in a pass along the sidelines after having a step against Tre Hawkins III.
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Gunner Olszewski on the catch-and-run from Drew Lock!
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Gunner O took the initial reps as punt returner
Isaiah Mackenzie followed…Slayton, Wan’Dale, and Asante followed.
Tracy is also with the punt returners for the #Giants
@nickfalato
Through two team periods, Daniel Jones is 7 out of 11
Just started the third and he missed Daniel Bellinger
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DeVito with a nice ball to Cager. Cager making plays early in camp
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Tommy DeVito connects with Lawrence Cager
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One of my favorite goal-line plays. After a nice throw and twisting catch by Daniel Jones and Jalin Hyatt down to 2 YL, Jones QB draw TD. #Giants
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Likely final drive for starting offense:
Daniel Jones to Malik Nabers, deep shot on sideline vs Tae Banks
Jones to Jalin Hyatt on Banks, good coverage, better catch
Jones keeper to EZ, TD
#Giants100
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Daniel Jones goes deep to Malik Nabers! 💪
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Daniel Jones ➡️ Jalin Hyatt
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Brian Burns kills Andrew Thomas on an inside move.
First time I’ve seen Thomas lose a rep like that in a practice
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Defense matching in Dime with Dru Phillips & Nick McCloud in the slots
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Daniel Jones 7/11 and all 4 incompletions were misses down the field. 3 of them being pretty damn open.
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In two minute drill, Jones connected deep with Nabers up the sideline on the 1st play, and then found Hyatt on a back shoulder at the one yard line.
A designed QB run up the middle capped the drive in three plays with a quick TD
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Daniel to Malik on a go beating Banks. Daniel with beautiful back shoulder to Hyatt beating Banks. Daniel on a keeper for six. Beautiful drive led by beautiful balls by Daniel
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#Giants Practice ends with Daniel Jones forcing one too many passes to Malik Nabers and ballhawk Dane Belton making an INT
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@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 3 thoughts
•Really rough day for Daniel Jones. Threw 6 times 20+ yards & all but one nice Malik Nabers throw was a miss. Some egregious. Plus an INT
•Flip side to that is defense is letting guys get open downfield. They were aggressive in their rush today
•Brian Burns had a lot of good plays & one nasty one on Andrew Thomas
•Jermaine Eluemunor practicing in 11 on 11
•Dante Miller living up to Turbo nickname. Deep TD on a 50+ yard wheel route & another beating the blitz
•Dane Belton with a sick INT to end practice undercutting a Malik Nabers back shoulder
•offense ran a lot of 4 WR & defense 6 DB’s with Andru Phillips
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Kayvon with a strip-sack
-Bellinger with a reception after pushing off Belton.
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Daniel Jones 7/11 and all 4 incompletions were misses down the field. 3 of them being pretty damn open.
New year. Same results.
-I'd rather Jones miss now than in actual games
-If he continues missing in games, fine, adios.
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 3 thoughts
•Really rough day for Daniel Jones. Threw 6 times 20+ yards & all but one nice Malik Nabers throw was a miss. Some egregious. Plus an INT
Don't worry folks he's only rusty. It's going to be different this year! SMH
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#Giants100 Runyan - neal is battling to get back...always there and preparing and going over plays...he is a great athlete..he will be fine when he makes it back...dexter can be one of the best alltime - amazing athlete and a blessing to practice vs him
I guarantee by the quarter point Nabers twitter is going to be really cryptic.
Need the FO to accept it as well
Yep, and the big unknown is when we will get one. Despite the QB, this team may be good enough to win 6 or 7 games, which would likely result in us drafting too low to get a top QB prospect. QB purgatory
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Jones rolled right on a designed throwback left to a crossing Nabers who was open
The ball was thrown behind and Flott broke the play up https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1816848066818814258 - ( New Window )
I thought Nabers could have caught that
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#Giants100 Nabers - about groh saying he wanted him over the other WRs, makik says he watched a lot of harrison on film, great respect for him....
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#Giants100 Nabers - enjoys competing vs flott being they are both LSU guys....
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Malik Nabers on fierce competition with Deonte Banks: “It’s just the mentality that we want to bring to practice.”
Accept it? I accepted it a long time ago.
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Nabers said Daboll asked him what play he wants to call before his big catch today.
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#Giants100 ARobinson - did not have a vet in the roo. when he came into the league so it is important to him to help these young guys as much as he can..and it reinforces his own thoughts...sky is the limit for nabers - just trying to give some some details that will assist him
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Maybe a confusion? The routes seem very close together
Still, Hyatt just misses hauling in a pass along the sidelines after having a step against Tre Hawkins III. https://x.com/nickfalato/status/1816853631599030706 - ( New Window )
Hyatt had 2 hands on the ball high-pointing it. Gotta catch those.
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Malik Nabers called his shot on the go ball that set up Giants’ TD drive in second to last team period. Daniel Jones asked him if he wanted to change it up with defense in press man and Nabers said no.
“Just throw it.”
He did. #Giants100
Did he have a great camp? He was bad in the joint practices. The red flags were there.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
That Nabers play is perhaps a good sign that he threw the ball even when he wasnt wide open..
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
I dont trust Jones at all but to be fair Burns beat Thomas clean and wJones had to rush it
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We say this every year, but many don't listen. I've been burned by that too many times --both ways, getting excited and getting too down. We actually saw the opposite last year. Jones had a great camp throwing the ball down field. Then the games came. Historically, the offense is almost always behind the defense early on. Last year was one of the exceptions where offense looked great from the start.
Did he have a great camp? He was bad in the joint practices. The red flags were there.
A lot of posters making asses of themselves.
Maybe some of you should jump on the Jets band wagon this year.
Year six of a three year QB project.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
Agreed. But it's like the five stages of grief, with the last stage being acceptance. Many fans are incredibly still not at that point. Maybe that's because with each new training camp there is renewed hope. But although that may be fine at other positions, it isn't at QB. We have two journeyman backups or "bridge starters" and a third QB whose career will likely be bouncing around various practice squads for a few years.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
there was that overthrow of Cager vs Seattle in 2022 that is etched in my memory. An easy pass that any HS QB can nail, and Jones just missed. And on a brilliant play design and call.
No. Skinner is just making sure he doesn't alienate half of his fanbase that needs fresh bones to chew on when Jones isn't perfect.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
I don't know what form the frustration will take......
Not running deep
Not completing routes
Not blocking when called to do it
or worse- actual sniping at the QB on the field or sidelines.
@BobbySkinner_
Giants Training Camp Day 3 thoughts
•Really rough day for Daniel Jones. Threw 6 times 20+ yards & all but one nice Malik Nabers throw was a miss. Some egregious. Plus an INT
•Flip side to that is defense is letting guys get open downfield. They were aggressive in their rush today
•Brian Burns had a lot of good plays & one nasty one on Andrew Thomas
•Jermaine Eluemunor practicing in 11 on 11
•Dante Miller living up to Turbo nickname. Deep TD on a 50+ yard wheel route & another beating the blitz
•Dane Belton with a sick INT to end practice undercutting a Malik Nabers back shoulder
•offense ran a lot of 4 WR & defense 6 DB’s with Andru Phillips
I am really pulling for Dante Miller. Such an interesting backstory (kinda got jobbed by the NCAA, but at least he can fall back on his degree from Columbia!).
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The NFL has been throwing less deep in recent years but completion percentage has gone up. Rushing numbers has gone up. The two are connected.
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That is a throw I’d expect a HS QB to complete. You can’t miss those. Not in practice, not in the game. The fact that our 6th year QB cannot complete that pass in shorts is worrisome.
Is this an overreaction to one throw? No, it’s not...because I’ve seen Jones overthrow wide open receivers for his entire career. Did it to Hyatt last year. Did it to Engram, Shep, Slayton…
he is an overthinker and the game is too fast for him.
there was that overthrow of Cager vs Seattle in 2022 that is etched in my memory. An easy pass that any HS QB can nail, and Jones just missed. And on a brilliant play design and call.
Yup, that one. There’s a couple to Shep that stand out. Think one was 2022 vs Panthers, another was on a double move vs TB in the MNF game. The Slayton one on TNF vs WFT - you can blame that one Slayton, but fact of the matter is he had no one within 20 yards of him and had to chase down the ball to attempt an outstretched finger tip catch.
You can add this for the Jones flat earthers. 81% on target rate -- #1 in accuracy in the NFL -- a bit ahead of Rogers and Burrow.
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As for the scrimmages, I do recall the offense struggling last year in the first meeting with DET and they did really well in the second one. I'm looking forward to that and hopefully Nubin, Theo and Neal can make an appearance then. Jones playing this early and so much is surprising to me. I remember back in the spring, they weren't sure he would be ready by camp at all. Kyler Murray took his time and didn't shake off the rust from his time off until a long while after returning.
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And Not put too much stock
Pickett being in the top 10 kinda invalidates and conclusions from this.
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Here's what happened at practice today.
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@DDuggan21
No practice report today, so here are some observations:
• There was more action in this practice because they expanded beyond the red zone for the first time. And now, I wade gently into Daniel Jones criticism...
• It looked like Jones had salvaged a rough day with a strong two-minute drive, highlighted by a bomb to Malik Nabers and a strike to Jalin Hyatt on a back-shoulder throw. But then the offense got another drive and it ended with Jones forcing a pass to Nabers in the end zone that was undercut by a leaping Dane Belton for an interception.
This was the first practice Jones really aired it out and, aside from the deep shot to Nabers, his accuracy was poor. He air-mailed a wide-open Wan'Dale Robinson, under-threw Nabers on a slot fade (good coverage by Deonte Banks) and threw behind Daniel Bellinger on a crossing route. Hyatt failed to making a leaping catch on a deep crossing route.
The throw that stood out the most for the wrong reason was a deep pass across the field to Nabers. Jones rolled right and threw back to the left side to Nabers, who had gotten open against Cor'Dale Flott. The throw was behind Nabers, allowing Flott to contest the pass. Nabers still could have made the catch, but it should have been an easy TD if Jones threw the ball harder/leads Nabers more.
And now the Jones disclaimer: He's the starting QB. His play is going to be analyzed. Some days he will be good, other days he will be bad. The coverage will be positive on the good days and critical on the bad days. Now, onto other developments:
• The lock of the preseason is that rookie RB Dante Miller is going to become a fan favorite. He beat LB Darius Muasau for a 60-yard TD bomb from Drew Lock. Impressive job tracking the ball. Miller also caught a quick pass in the flat and showed why his nickname is "Turbo" after Tommy DeVito did a good recognizing pressure off the edge.
• Jimmy Morrissey was the first-team center for the final three drives. John Michael Schmitz didn't appear to be injured, so maybe just giving Morrissey some reps with the 1's in case he becomes the backup. He got more reps with the 2's than Austin Schlottmann in the spring. One concern with Morrissey is a tendency for high shotgun snaps. Had one today that Jones handled.
• Can't evaluate the trenches much at this point, but Brian Burns beat Andrew Thomas cleanly with an inside move on the play that Jones over-threw Wan'Dale. Don't see Thomas get beat like that often.
• Lot of dime work for the defense today. Nick McCloud remains the top slot corner and Dru Phillips was the sixth DB. McCloud played the "money" backer position in the dime.
• I still don't understand why Deonte Banks is sitting out multiple periods for Tre Hawkins. Daboll's answer pre-practice didn't provide much insight.
• It seems like Micah McFadden will have to battle for the starting ILB job. Dyontae Johnson and Carter Coughlin have gotten some reps with the 1's in camp. And it doesn't seem to be strictly related to a pitch count for McFadden since he was with the second-team defense at times today.
@FBallGameplan
Takeaways from Day 3 of #Giants camp:
- Long field focus on today's practice, as opposed to RZ focus yesterday.
- Dante Miller has an elite gear to be a threat in the vertical passing game.
- WRs impressive in terms of their ability to gain leverage on the DBs
- QBs were ⬆️⬇️
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Pickett being in the top 10 kinda invalidates and conclusions from this.
Pickett had a solid and promising rookie year -- he was in the ORoY voting. The Eagles -- who seem to be good talent evaluators -- traded for him.
Swing and a miss.
QBs that are good at it are doing it consistently. That’s the separation between good and bad.
The Giants will not be a contender this year and paying Barkley that obscene contract wouldn't have made sense from a positional value or financial standpoint. The Rams were not expected to compete that much for the division and a playoff spot, but they were right there in the WC. Their most experienced RB was Darrell Henderson (or Royce Freeman) and they started a 5th round rookie in Kyren Williams. They did pay Singletary a bit but Daboll is familiar with him and they have a sea of young backs behind him. I love the RB situation and can't wait to see all of them in the preseason get a chance to play.
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is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
I don't think accuracy is his problem at all. His problem is he doesn't throw the ball when he should. His putting the ball in the right spot too late. NFL QBs have to anticipate. Jones has to see it first.
Physically Daniel Jones could be very solid NFL starter. It is the mental part of the game where he still looks like a rookie starting his first game and not trusting or understanding anything he sees.
@art_stapleton
Sense I get: Nubin and Giants could have pushed it, hoping his calf would loosen up in practice, but smart move, obviously, was to back off and make sure a cramping issue does not turn into a calf issue. Calf injuries can be very tricky.
But Nubin's been engaged in practice from sideline. He was very vocal today at one point with teammate and fellow rookie DB Alex Johnson. Was coaching him up during one team period. #alpha
Dante Miller lived up to his Turbo nickname when fellow rookie LB Darius Muasau got caught up in man coverage on Miller out wide.
Drew Lock fired about a 50-yard bomb to Turbo, who raced into the end zone. Speed as advertised. #Giants100
Physically Daniel Jones could be very solid NFL starter. It is the mental part of the game where he still looks like a rookie starting his first game and not trusting or understanding anything he sees.
The strangest thing is Daboll has exhibited the ability to get maximum value out of every quarterback he's coached.
If the Giants had a quarterback who was just a little more mentally capable than Jones, they would be contenders. Yet they're going backward with the QB talent.
If Jones has a massive year and stays healthy (which I am hoping for but not expecting) that would be great for the Giants because they can possibly trade him and recoup something.
The only way it makes sense to have him on the roster next year is that he had another below-average year and he is holding the spot until a rookie is ready.
This should not be a make or break year for Jones. The book should already be closed on Jones. 2024 can't be allowed to become the second time this front office confuses itself with what it has in Jones.
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When all you throw is slants, 5 yard outs and safety valves, I am sure that is great.
I don't think there is much about his passing that is keeping DC's up at night.
Taping it tomorrow... I don't even know the name yet!
After 15 years, John and I are back.
Looking forward to hearing it.
The thing is, what's the alternative to Jones in 2025? There's nothing in the pipeline (I'm assuming they aren't high on DeVito considering he was better than Jones last year but isn't getting a shot at the job).
If this season goes bad the enormity of their fuck up in the 2024 draft is going to come into stark relief.
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about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
Looking forward to hearing it.
The thing is, what's the alternative to Jones in 2025? There's nothing in the pipeline (I'm assuming they aren't high on DeVito considering he was better than Jones last year but isn't getting a shot at the job).
If this season goes bad the enormity of their fuck up in the 2024 draft is going to come into stark relief.
They only "fucked up" if McCarthy, Nix, or Penix turn out to be studs.
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about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
If Jones has a massive year and stays healthy (which I am hoping for but not expecting) that would be great for the Giants because they can possibly trade him and recoup something.
The only way it makes sense to have him on the roster next year is that he had another below-average year and he is holding the spot until a rookie is ready.
This should not be a make or break year for Jones. The book should already be closed on Jones. 2024 can't be allowed to become the second time this front office confuses itself with what it has in Jones.
I can't imagine being so wrapped in a pretzel to think even if Jones kicks ass this year, there is no way he should be on the team in 2025. That's incredible.
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There’s a BBI podcast? Name of the show please?
Taping it tomorrow... I don't even know the name yet!
After 15 years, John and I are back.
Let us know when it drops so we know to look for it.
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about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
If Jones has a massive year and stays healthy (which I am hoping for but not expecting) that would be great for the Giants because they can possibly trade him and recoup something.
The only way it makes sense to have him on the roster next year is that he had another below-average year and he is holding the spot until a rookie is ready.
This should not be a make or break year for Jones. The book should already be closed on Jones. 2024 can't be allowed to become the second time this front office confuses itself with what it has in Jones.
No question you are right. But given the way his contract is constructed and the recent barrage of ludicrous contracts, it is a virtual certainty he will be back again for a seventh season. We are likely at least two years away from truly moving on from DJ.
And yes, I'm rooting for Jones. But, it's year 6.
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about this on the upcoming BBI podcast, but even if Jones "rebounds" this year, it's pretty clear he's not leading this team to a championship. And the Giants know it.
Looking forward to hearing it.
The thing is, what's the alternative to Jones in 2025? There's nothing in the pipeline (I'm assuming they aren't high on DeVito considering he was better than Jones last year but isn't getting a shot at the job).
If this season goes bad the enormity of their fuck up in the 2024 draft is going to come into stark relief.
They only "fucked up" if McCarthy, Nix, or Penix turn out to be studs.
Or Maye is a stud - if you think Schoen didn't up the ante enough.
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is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
Yes, so inaccurate his nick name was Danny Dimes and had one of the highest completion record on deep passes 1st year and 2nd year was decent too.
Yes, I am not a jones fan. But how about give him more than three days with Nabers and Hyatt to get the timing down, especially coming off knee surgery.
Check back with me in August.
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is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
Yes, so inaccurate his nick name was Danny Dimes and had one of the highest completion record on deep passes 1st year and 2nd year was decent too.
Yes, I am not a jones fan. But how about give him more than three days with Nabers and Hyatt to get the timing down, especially coming off knee surgery.
Check back with me in August.
This convo has jumped the shark that people are now making shit up. I won't argue with anyone that say the game is too fast for him or he is injury prone but some of these takes are just false.
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In comment 16560308 djm said:
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is his accuracy deep or short or midfield. He throws a nice clean ball and it generally pretty accurate, for his career.
But then he had those incompletions in July practice so maybe I should rethink my take.
You should definitely rethink this. The reason Jones is reluctant to throw deep is that he himself knows he is inaccurate.
Yes, so inaccurate his nick name was Danny Dimes and had one of the highest completion record on deep passes 1st year and 2nd year was decent too.
Yes, I am not a jones fan. But how about give him more than three days with Nabers and Hyatt to get the timing down, especially coming off knee surgery.
Check back with me in August.
We have to realize that if you gotta go back 5 years to find when a player was good at something, that isnt really good.
Flip a coin and pick whichever year you want, the point is he has had 2 such years out of 6. People will latch onto that often-parroted deep ball accuracy stat without fully understanding what information feeds that stat.
Year 6. Say it again with me...Year 6.