This is a brief follow up on the previous discussion we had discussing whether TD can beat out DJ. Some here, like myself think he could if it were a fair competition….most thought he can’t because Jones makes 40 million and TD makes about 1 million, and to start Cutlets would make Schoen look bad for resigning Jones for all that money.
Here is my update:
I’ve noticed Jones has been up and down in these 3 days of practice. Of course, we have to cut him some slack seeing that he is about 9 months removed from a serious knee Injury….but his inaccuracy today, throwing longer than a short pass or dump off seems to have many up in arms and you really can’t blame his injury for these errant throws. Not all his throws are errant, so he can and has thrown some very accurate passes……just not as much as we would like. Today he was 1 for 6 in balls over 20 yards.
Unfortunately, I’ve not read much on TD’s three days. The only thing I have read is when he throws a TD pass, like today he threw one to Turbo, and I believe yesterday, he through one to I believe the new kid, Dennis Houston. But I have not found any final numbers for TD like we are hearing for DJ and no one is drawing any conclusions on how TD is looking. I know TD is probably playing with the 3rd team, so it’s not easy making judgments here, but is there anyone here who can give testimony as to how Cutlets is doing so far in these first three days? Again I will say this- I DON’T BELIEVE HIS ACCURACY WITH PASSES OVER 20 YARDS- would be an issue with him, like it is and probably will continue to be with Jones. I would absolutely love to see Cutlets playing with the #1s so that we can juxtapose the numbers of the two QBs on an equal footing.
Any thoughts you would like to tack on?
Oddly enough, I think he and Lock are similar. Arm's good enough, but they hold the ball too long. At least TD has an excuse, it's only his 2nd camp.
He has an NFL arm, otherwise, he wouldn't be here. Like most young QB's, game is probably too fast, but way too early to say he's not an NFL QB.
If Devito is the goods, he will play. IF he isn't he will be BBI's favorite enigma and remain on the bench.
Just read the Camp Day 3 thread….they are all there…heck, even your boys Bobby Skinner and Justin P are joining in the lynching.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
Do you not think Schoen’s “reputation” is somewhat at issue here? I mean, when you give a guy a 3 year 40m a year contract, you better hope he doesn’t disappoint…..I’m not implying his job security is at issue because I think he could survive this, but GMs are fired for less.
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
Daniel Jones is not my boy. We are in QB hell. So much so that you are on a team message board pontificating if Tommy Devito should be the starting QB of the team.
The September 2025 QB of the team isn't on the roster right now.
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Is not an NFL QB.
This is anti-Itatian discrimination
Agreed…..heck, the Pride people got a whole month to celebrate their lifestyle….the Italians I think have one day- Christopher Columbus Day- I think.
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Is not an NFL QB.
This is anti-Itatian discrimination
Agreed…..heck, the Pride people got a whole month to celebrate their lifestyle….the Italians I think have one day- Christopher Columbus Day- I think.
Nah, Italians get two days. Columbus Day, and National Pizza Day (Feb 9th!!)
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of the many that are "up in arms"?
Just read the Camp Day 3 thread….they are all there…heck, even your boys Bobby Skinner and Justin P are joining in the lynching.
Firstly, I don't have boys.
Secondly, lynching is a little bit of a stretch, no?
Thirdly, get a fukking grip. It's day 3.
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Is not an NFL QB.
This is anti-Itatian discrimination
Agreed…..heck, the Pride people got a whole month to celebrate their lifestyle….the Italians I think have one day- Christopher Columbus Day- I think.
Nah, Italians get two days. Columbus Day, and National Pizza Day (Feb 9th!!)
Italians would also get Scampi day and Parm day if it were up to me. And Pizza day should be a whole month.
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of the many that are "up in arms"?
Just read the Camp Day 3 thread….they are all there…heck, even your boys Bobby Skinner and Justin P are joining in the lynching.
Firstly, I don't have boys.
Secondly, lynching is a little bit of a stretch, no?
Thirdly, get a fukking grip. It's day 3.
But also year six.
I would throw in a mozzarella day too.
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Is not an NFL QB.
This is anti-Itatian discrimination
Agreed…..heck, the Pride people got a whole month to celebrate their lifestyle….the Italians I think have one day- Christopher Columbus Day- I think.
Nah, Italians get two days. Columbus Day, and National Pizza Day (Feb 9th!!)
and they are trying to cancel Columbus Day
Think of the Kyle Lauletta, Ryan Nassib, Rhett Bomar and Andre Woodson draft picks (leaving out Davis Webb). De Vito is way better than any of those 4. Add Jake Fromm and Mike Glennon as QBs that De Vito has outplayed as a Giant.
The likely best scenario is De Vito is either the 2nd string QB in 2025 or the Giants get a late draft pick for him in a trade.
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that it's not a fair competition.
Do you not think Schoen’s “reputation” is somewhat at issue here? I mean, when you give a guy a 3 year 40m a year contract, you better hope he doesn’t disappoint…..I’m not implying his job security is at issue because I think he could survive this, but GMs are fired for less.
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
Amen and thank you!
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
The team was WAY better in the second half and you know it. DeVito did nothing impressive. He basically just didn't screw up. This has nothing to do with Jones.
Robbie,
I reread my original,post…..there was not hate slung at DJ….just updating you on the FACTS these past 3 days.
Secondly, I was hoping someone would be able to share how Cutlets is doing in these practices. We only are given a small dosage of info. So far, not one person has shared any information concerning TD. If you know any, please share.
Lastly, just because I’m rooting for Cutlets to succeed and challenge DJ for the starting job doesn’t make me a bad person. Heck, I’m also one of the guys who doesn’t mind seeing Saquon leave town. So, as you can see, I’m probably not the fan you want me to be. I bleed blue, but I don’t follow any crowd….I follow my heart and mind.
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
The team was WAY better in the second half and you know it. DeVito did nothing impressive. He basically just didn't screw up. This has nothing to do with Jones.
If he "just didn't screw up", then he's at least an NFL QB.
Can anyone say how Drew Lock has looked?
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Is not an NFL QB.
This is anti-Itatian discrimination
Agreed…..heck, the Pride people got a whole month to celebrate their lifestyle….the Italians I think have one day- Christopher Columbus Day- I think.
Nah, Italians get two days. Columbus Day, and National Pizza Day (Feb 9th!!)
and they are trying to cancel Columbus Day
Should've been Verrazano day. Actually Italian, actually explored this country.
Check back mid to late August when he gets his timing with Hyatt and Nabers down (well if he can).
IMHO, Jones will continue to be Jones. 6 years in he will not become Eli part deux.
As for DeVito, he is the 3rd string QB on a team where Daniel Jones is the starter and Drew Lock was signed at $5 mill to be backup. If Dabs or Schoen though DeVito was anything other than 3rd string, they would not have spent $5 mill on Lock.
As for DeVito, he is the 3rd string QB on a team where Daniel Jones is the starter and Drew Lock was signed at $5 mill to be backup. If Dabs or Schoen though DeVito was anything other than 3rd string, they would not have spent $5 mill on Lock.
Wow, this comment seems to put a lot of confidence in Schoen and Dabs judgment thinking that after one training camp, one preseason, and 6 regular season games, they WERE ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED Cutlets can only be a 3rd string QB in this league. Wow…..I would be shocked if that is true, and here is why…
1. Cutlets looked damn good in preseason …..we all were impressed with his accuracy and ability to adapt, like run around to buy time or take off if he needed to.
2. Preseason also showed us, unlike Jones, he knows how to minimize turnovers when in the pocket or taking off. Again, I think we all trust Cutlets to not fumble, unlike Jones.
3. Nick Falato, do you know him, on Big Blue Banter, did a whole episode comparing Jones to Cutlets regarding where passes re being thrown and accuracy of such……and Cutlets clearly came out the much better QB slinging it downfield and more importantly, to the sidelines. You should go back and watch that YouTube video if you don’t believe me.
4. Cutlets had two very impressive games v Commanders and more importantly, on Monday Night Football, on the big stage, and you saw it- he led us down the field for a game winning FG with under 2 minutes to play. He played a great game and gave us something we haven’t seen since Eli Manning- a Prime Time regular season win.
5. Cutlets was 3-3, while Jones was 1-5.
If you are telling me Schoen and Dabs are absolutely convinced Jones is far better than Cutlets, or even better, than I hate to tell you this 125…but we then have two stupid people running our team. The same guys who picked Evan Neal at #7 when even our own proven scout Sy was screaming to the world about Neal’s deficiencies with his foot work and balance.
You or anyone else cannot convince me Cutlets can’t grow through experience to be a decent NFL QB….heck, Jones has had 5 years and look at what he did last year, year 5. Absolutely the worst QB I have ever seen…scared as heck, throwing quick passes for losses behind the LOS often. Did you see that fear in Cutlets during his 6 games?
So, Jones…5 years…doesn’t look any better….Cutlets 6 games….to be determined….
Oh, and why Schoen gave Lock 5 million is probably because he knew the media and masses would be wondering how come he didn’t add a QB to go along with Jones, a guy who might not even be able to play to start the season and a not so good 5 year starter, and Cutlets, a promising UDFA. Adding another decent arm only makes sense.
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
The team was WAY better in the second half and you know it. DeVito did nothing impressive. He basically just didn't screw up. This has nothing to do with Jones.
That Monday Night last second win was “nothing impressive”……wow, I’ve watched that 4th quarter over and over again 100 times. It is still so “impressive” to me….we actually won a Prime Time regular season game…..something we have never even come close doing with your boy Jones.
Well then let’s make sure we give DeVito 5 more years like his counterpart gets. I like Tommy’s chances to be at or above Jones in half that time.
Apparently other teams feel the same way. Devito played the entire pre season last year yet was on the practice squad. Teams could see whether he had any potential upside while seeing a record amount of QB injuries. No one would sign him for no compensation to the giants
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
The team was WAY better in the second half and you know it. DeVito did nothing impressive. He basically just didn't screw up. This has nothing to do with Jones.
He threw 3 TD’s in a game, something Jones hasn’t done in 5 years. Here’s what I don’t understand about many Jones defenders - “how can you be a Giants fan and not root for your QB!” - yet here we have these same Jones defenders slamming an UDFA QBwho outplayed Jones last year.
I would throw in a mozzarella day too.
I can't get board without equal representation for the humble Italian-American MEATBALL!!! In gravy of course.
DeVito had a better college career than Jones.
DeVito was better than Jones last year during his first season in the NFL.
Maybe DeVito is just better than Jones.
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Is not an NFL QB.
This is anti-Itatian discrimination
Agreed…..heck, the Pride people got a whole month to celebrate their lifestyle….the Italians I think have one day- Christopher Columbus Day- I think.
Nah, Italians get two days. Columbus Day, and National Pizza Day (Feb 9th!!)
Italians would also get Scampi day and Parm day if it were up to me. And Pizza day should be a whole month.
Pizza Day can't be limited to a month!
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
The team was WAY better in the second half and you know it. DeVito did nothing impressive. He basically just didn't screw up. This has nothing to do with Jones.
He threw 3 TD’s in a game, something Jones hasn’t done in 5 years. Here’s what I don’t understand about many Jones defenders - “how can you be a Giants fan and not root for your QB!” - yet here we have these same Jones defenders slamming an UDFA QBwho outplayed Jones last year.
It's specific to Jones. They'll slam any player who doesn't perform like WRs, TEs, OL, but Jones is unassailable and just needs more time
DeVito had a better college career than Jones.
DeVito was better than Jones last year during his first season in the NFL.
Maybe DeVito is just better than Jones.
Once they have made up their minds. It appears to me no matter how many facts we share to show TD can be better than DJ…..nothing we say sinks in…..why? ……..I guess because DJ being a 1st round pick and TD being a UDFA settles that debate.
Tommy through 8 TDs in his 6 games….Jones, I believe through 2…… Doesn’t matter…..Jones was a 1st round pick…..Tommy won us a Prime Time game, his first…..Jones has lost about 15…..doesn’t matter…..Jones was a 1st round pick…..Jones has had a million fumbles in his 5 years….Tommy none (admittedly, too small of a sample…..I just want to remind people how risky Jones can be protecting that pigskin)…..doesn’t matter…..Jones was a 1st round pick…..
And for those who want to point to the Vikings playoff win to puff up Jones….I will concede, he did look good against one of the worst secondaries in football that year…..but I would like to point you to the following game in Philly….there you saw the real Jones, the one we have seen over and over for 5 years….scared of his own shadow and hurrying to get rid of the ball for fear of his safety….I will concede this too….he had to be fearful, but if he caves in under pressure like that, teams will always bring the heat just because they know, he will turtle up
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Is not an NFL QB.
Apparently other teams feel the same way. Devito played the entire pre season last year yet was on the practice squad. Teams could see whether he had any potential upside while seeing a record amount of QB injuries. No one would sign him for no compensation to the giants
That was before he played in actual NFL games and did well. You can bet your ass someone would claim him now that he’s proven to be an effective spot starter. At that point, he was a former undrafted free agent. Of course no one was claiming him.
NFL QB is more than "arm talent" and pedigree.
But I need facts not just opinions. Jones has 5 years of NFL experience and 4 years at Duke. So what in those 9 years makes you think Tommy is definitely inferior. Or what in TD’s college history and his 1 year of NFL experience makes you think he is definitely inferior to the Duke Dog?
Let me have it….please….I’m listening….
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As for DeVito, he is the 3rd string QB on a team where Daniel Jones is the starter and Drew Lock was signed at $5 mill to be backup. If Dabs or Schoen though DeVito was anything other than 3rd string, they would not have spent $5 mill on Lock.
Wow, this comment seems to put a lot of confidence in Schoen and Dabs judgment thinking that after one training camp, one preseason, and 6 regular season games, they WERE ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED Cutlets can only be a 3rd string QB in this league. Wow…..I would be shocked if that is true, and here is why…
1. Cutlets looked damn good in preseason …..we all were impressed with his accuracy and ability to adapt, like run around to buy time or take off if he needed to.
2. Preseason also showed us, unlike Jones, he knows how to minimize turnovers when in the pocket or taking off. Again, I think we all trust Cutlets to not fumble, unlike Jones.
3. Nick Falato, do you know him, on Big Blue Banter, did a whole episode comparing Jones to Cutlets regarding where passes re being thrown and accuracy of such……and Cutlets clearly came out the much better QB slinging it downfield and more importantly, to the sidelines. You should go back and watch that YouTube video if you don’t believe me.
4. Cutlets had two very impressive games v Commanders and more importantly, on Monday Night Football, on the big stage, and you saw it- he led us down the field for a game winning FG with under 2 minutes to play. He played a great game and gave us something we haven’t seen since Eli Manning- a Prime Time regular season win.
5. Cutlets was 3-3, while Jones was 1-5.
If you are telling me Schoen and Dabs are absolutely convinced Jones is far better than Cutlets, or even better, than I hate to tell you this 125…but we then have two stupid people running our team. The same guys who picked Evan Neal at #7 when even our own proven scout Sy was screaming to the world about Neal’s deficiencies with his foot work and balance.
You or anyone else cannot convince me Cutlets can’t grow through experience to be a decent NFL QB….heck, Jones has had 5 years and look at what he did last year, year 5. Absolutely the worst QB I have ever seen…scared as heck, throwing quick passes for losses behind the LOS often. Did you see that fear in Cutlets during his 6 games?
So, Jones…5 years…doesn’t look any better….Cutlets 6 games….to be determined….
Oh, and why Schoen gave Lock 5 million is probably because he knew the media and masses would be wondering how come he didn’t add a QB to go along with Jones, a guy who might not even be able to play to start the season and a not so good 5 year starter, and Cutlets, a promising UDFA. Adding another decent arm only makes sense.
There is nothing to be re-thought. You asked a question and when the answer isn't what you want, you dismiss it. So, in fact you are not asking a question for an answer. You have your answer in your head and are not moving off of it.
Simple answer, for the umpteenth time, if DeVito was so highly thought of, then some team would have signed him away from the Giants. Period. If a player has talent, some team will sign him for more money.
They signed Lock - Schoen said it in conversation with Daboll - because TT went to the Jets for $7 mill. Again, if DeVito was close to that ability, Schoen would have signed him for $2 mill and ignored Lock. They wanted a guy that wasn't going to be often injured. The Giants could have signed another PS QB.
But since the answer is obvious and you cannot conceive of it, you dispute it. The problem isn't between Jones and DeVito - the $40 mill QB is playing. The problem is Lock vs DeVito. The question is whether DeVito can beat out Lock for backup.
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that it's not a fair competition.
Well then let’s make sure we give DeVito 5 more years like his counterpart gets. I like Tommy’s chances to be at or above Jones in half that time.
Exactly TG, it’s one thing to find fault with TD because he went undrafted but it’s another to say a guy who has been poor to mediocre for 5 years has to be better than him because at least he was drafted is another matter.
Give me proof to support why the poor to mediocre guy is better? Why?
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that it's not a fair competition.
Well then let’s make sure we give DeVito 5 more years like his counterpart gets. I like Tommy’s chances to be at or above Jones in half that time.
Exactly TG, it’s one thing to find fault with TD because he went undrafted but it’s another to say a guy who has been poor to mediocre for 5 years has to be better than him because at least he was drafted is another matter.
Give me proof to support why the poor to mediocre guy is better? Why?
I cannot. I saw DeVito have some games last year as a rookie where he made some plays and won a few games, and some games where he was simply outmatched.
I basically saw the same with Jones except it is still happening to him in year 5.
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that it's not a fair competition.
Well then let’s make sure we give DeVito 5 more years like his counterpart gets. I like Tommy’s chances to be at or above Jones in half that time.
Exactly TG, it’s one thing to find fault with TD because he went undrafted but it’s another to say a guy who has been poor to mediocre for 5 years has to be better than him because at least he was drafted is another matter.
Give me proof to support why the poor to mediocre guy is better? Why?
I cannot. I saw DeVito have some games last year as a rookie where he made some plays and won a few games, and some games where he was simply outmatched.
I basically saw the same with Jones except it is still happening to him in year 5.
I apologize if you thought I was asking you to give me proof why Jones is better…I knew where you stand on this.
I’m hoping just one guy out there who wants to find fault with Cutlets can support why they believe Jones is better. It’s been 4 hours since I threw that carrot out there and no one has taken the bait.
think even the most ardent Jones supporters don’t want to get involved trying to prove how good Jones is….much easier to trash Cutlets instead.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
DeVito has 6 NFL Starts. Jones has 59.
But what are numbers, really?
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
DeVito has 6 NFL Starts. Jones has 59.
But what are numbers, really?
I agree with Mike's premise that neither is that good, though Thomas G has a good point in terms of DJ starts vs. DeVito starts. Truth be told, I'd rather DeVito start, but that isn't happening. DeVito at least is willing to spin the rock downfield. Jones doesn't even do that.
Playing Jones is a waste of time because his body of work clearly indicates he isn’t going to ever QB the team to a championship so we are wasting those starts. Further, there is actually a disincentive since he actually has enough experience, running ability and conservative play that he will beat a few fairly weak teams each year, only killing our chances to get the top 1-2 QB prospects in the next draft.
We are going nowhere on this path, and worse, we are doing it slowly. At least do it quickly so everybody can conclude we are lost and be able to turnaround and get back to drafting QBs.
Would not say they at all. He’s not an NFL starting QB. But he has a spot in the league as a backup. He was a rookie last year and was thrown into the fire. He put up decent numbers and won 3 games - 2 of those games
he played well and made big time throws while also extending drives with his legs. No reason he can’t continue to develop into a very good backup.
Yes, they do have 2022 when the Gmen made the playoffs and Jones did have some great moments, like the two Minny games…..but then he had games like the two Eagles games….so, they kind of balance each other off. And of course, what is fresh in our minds is last year. I know…losing AThomas was huge…I concede that, but do you think you can put all the blame on his performance because we lost that one man? I know there were other injuries but both Taylor and Cutlets had that to deal with as well, and the latter two guy fared much better dealing with that.
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
More than that, I can't say. I think there is a lot of development needed if he has aspirations of being anything more than a backup, but the potential is there.
Anyone who thinks he should start based on those games is not being fair to him or Jones, in my opinion. You can't criticize Jones for a number of warts and ignore the deficiencies in DeVito's game right now. I have been uber-critical of Jones for a few years now. But, I am not prepared to say he should sit in favor of DeVito to start this season. That, to me, is insane.
That said, with a supposed improved OL, a #WR and good WRs behind Nabers, a decent RB, and an intriguing rookie athlete in the mix at TE I think it is time to stop with excuses and start with production.
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
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are there Jones defenders on here?
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
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are there Jones defenders on here?
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
I can agree on Neal, at the moment. Start Jermaine and let Neal work himself into the picture.
IMHO, and as I previously stated, you do not want a dialogue. You have your mind made up and you are dictating the procedure.
Actually it was a good point by pj - are there Jones followers? There really aren't but a handful. Probably 95% want him gone, including me.
So perhaps you are simply preaching to the choir? I suppose the $40 mill contract is the reason Jones is still here and the reason he is starting.
As to the premise of the thread - DeVito as starter. Let me know when he beats Drew Lock out as the #2 - that is my answer and has been my answer. If he cannot pass Lock as the #2 then he cannot be the starter. There isn't a #1 pick and salary issue with Lock that DeVito needs to overcome.
DeVito does remind me of a poor man's Baker Mayfield.
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are there Jones defenders on here?
I give you credit 5Bowls, you're like a dog on a bone with this.
I’m trying to pull out dialog with the Jones followers…not successful. But yes, when I see these guys dissing Cutlets….makes no sense. To say he is “not an NFL QB” makes no sense and is unwarranted….many successful QBs started out poor to mediocre only to get better through time and experience.
I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
I can agree on Neal, at the moment. Start Jermaine and let Neal work himself into the picture.
IMHO, and as I previously stated, you do not want a dialogue. You have your mind made up and you are dictating the procedure.
Actually it was a good point by pj - are there Jones followers? There really aren't but a handful. Probably 95% want him gone, including me.
So perhaps you are simply preaching to the choir? I suppose the $40 mill contract is the reason Jones is still here and the reason he is starting.
As to the premise of the thread - DeVito as starter. Let me know when he beats Drew Lock out as the #2 - that is my answer and has been my answer. If he cannot pass Lock as the #2 then he cannot be the starter. There isn't a #1 pick and salary issue with Lock that DeVito needs to overcome.
DeVito does remind me of a poor man's Baker Mayfield.
1) Well more than 5% of posters on BBI are Jones "followers" or however you want to label them.
2) I think where DeVito ends up on the depth chart may not be a big deal. They signed Locke and he is almost certain to start the year as the #2. That makes sense. He has actual starting experience and on game day is probably a better choice if Jones should go down. However, after that initial game, I think it is very possible for DeVito, when now given the reps in practice, could start the next game if needed. I think DeVito as the #3 (not PS) makes sense for this year. But, he would have to earn the #2 spot for next year to stick here.
3) As for the comment by 5Bowls before your post - I am optimistic about the OL and the new coach. He had a decent OL in Las Vegas with mostly unherladed and middling players. He does seem to know what he is doing. I am expecting Runyan and Eluemunor to have a big impact, taking this from a bottom 3 OL to middle of the pack, which is a significant 1 season jump and should be good enough to make this offense more than competent.
4) Back to DeVito - I don't know that he reminds me of anyone.
But by all means, let's compare a career loser like DJ to an all-time great like Eli.
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In comment 16560518 BJacobs The Tiptoe Bandit said:
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Is not an NFL QB.
Oh really….he was 3-3 last year while your boy was 1-5?
Jones went 1-3. He got knocked out of two of those losses dur to the crap O-line.
The ACL injury was non-contact.
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
Why are Giants fans allergic to spelling their own players' names? Is DeVito even a particularly difficult name?
DeVito had a better college career than Jones.
DeVito was better than Jones last year during his first season in the NFL.
Maybe DeVito is just better than Jones.
this. you are what your record says you are.
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In comment 16561781 pjcas18 said:
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I do have another hot button pj…..Evan Neal should not be our starting RT…Eluemunor deserves that right. Neal should either be the swing tackle or see how he does inside…..just because he is a former 1st round pick…..oh my another 1st round pick who doesn’t deliver the goods….you just can’t give him that job based on that alone.
I’m praying our new OL Coach knows what he is doing.
Eluemunor himself says he is best at OG
He said this? When did he say this? Do you have a link stating such? Not that I don’t believe you…..lol
Cutlets - ( New Window )
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The only real difference is DeVito is not a finished product. He can still develop and get better at recognizing what he is seeing and getting rid of the ball. Jones is fully baked and he is what he is.
Tommy DeVitto is 26. Daniel Jones is 27.
Age doesn't matter as much as football snaps/hits. Jones has a lot more so he's closer to being a finished product.