But a good showing today against a good team would be nice way to generate some excitement for the season (for me at least. Too many others already down after Jones play last week).
Daboll said they left WR Gunner Olszewski, TE Lawrence Cager, OL Jon Runyan, LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
Daboll said QB Drew Lock won’t participate in team periods today as he ramps up.
Daboll said there’s no concern about Runyan for Week 1.
yet us still being a competitive team and getting 8-9 wins.
Daboll really wants to attack down field this year, you can tell by how training camp and the game against the Texans were.
Jones needs to take more chances and now has a viable top playmaker in Nabers to go with a nice combo of other targets. The RB by committee approach will also give the offense fresh legs late in games.
Our Defensive front will have to carry the load but I like 3/4 of our DB's a lot. CB2 seems to be the biggest weaklink.
Robert Saleh says he expects Jets-Giants to go about 75 plays today. Expects good work WR vs DBs. Likes the fact that both teams will get chance to go against someone else.
Light Giants practice today as they're shorthanded by injuries and preparing for tomorrow's joint practice with the Jets.
The biggest development: Tyler Nubin was the starting safety next to Jason Pinnock. Dane Belton rotated in, but you can tell where this is headed. Nubin had an interception on the last play of practice, but it was just a desperation heave after a clear sack of Daniel Jones.
Belton got some snaps as the nickel corner. Think we could see some three-safety packages this season.
Daniel Jones first pass in 7-on-7 drills a deep shot to Malik Nabers. Good coverage from …. Brandin Echols. He broke it up. Second attempt also to Nabers on a drag. Low. Bounced off his foot. DJ Reed in coverage there. #Jets #Giants
Daniel Jones first pass in 7-on-7 drills a deep shot to Malik Nabers. Good coverage from …. Brandin Echols. He broke it up. Second attempt also to Nabers on a drag. Low. Bounced off his foot. DJ Reed in coverage there. #Jets #Giants
Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
12:55 PM · Aug 21, 2024
Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
12:55 PM · Aug 21, 2024
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Daboll said they left WR Gunner Olszewski, TE Lawrence Cager, OL Jon Runyan, LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
Daboll said QB Drew Lock won’t participate in team periods today as he ramps up.
Daboll said there’s no concern about Runyan for Week 1.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
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Giants have no completions in their first 4 7-on-7 TEs on offense: two Jones targets to Nabers (one PBU, one bad throw), two DeVito (including a Stoll drop)
DeVito to Boykin, Jones to Nabers (who beat Sauce), DeVito to Hodgins (one hand catch) to bounce back for #Giants in 7-on-7
Jets offense has been completing toms of passes down the field on Giants defense in 7 on 7
Jordan Raanan
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Three reps for #Giants first-team offense in 7 on 7 drills. All three balls went from Daniel Jones to rookie WR Malik Nabers.
One incompletion, one drop(ish) off Nabers’ leg and the one rep vs #Jets Sauce Gardner, Nabers shakes free for big gain in middle of field.
Pat Leonard
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Niiiice kick return by Ayir Asante. Love his game. Turned it up the left sideline to the house. He and Eric Gray were the first pairing up, followed by McKenzie-Tracy #Giants #Jets
Jordan Raanan
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The #Giants offense more than holding its own so far vs. #Jets. Daniel Jones in control. No explosive plays but some solid gains.
Connor Hughes
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Daniel Jones first pass in 7-on-7 drills a deep shot to Malik Nabers. Good coverage from …. Brandin Echols. He broke it up. Second attempt also to Nabers on a drag. Low. Bounced off his foot. DJ Reed in coverage there. #Jets #Giants''
First Sauce Gardner v Malik Nabers matchup. Shifty move over the middle and Nabers gets open. Good gain. Three Jones passes — all thrown to Nabers. Lone completion the one v Gardner so far. Really impressive route in space.
Gardner traveled with Nabers on that play. #Jets #Giants
Daniel Jones sacked by Kinlaw, Williams on first play of team drills. They bumped into him. About as obvious of a sack as you’ll see in practice. #Giants #Jets
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers with an awesome bomb down the field to Xavier Gipson. Gipson went up and got it. Beat Darnay Holmes down the field.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
#Giants QB Daniel Jones threw a TD to Manhertz on roll out on his first RZ drill. #Jets S Chuck Clark just decleated Eric Gray. I don’t think Gray is a fan of these joint practices. Same thing happened to him v #Lions.
Jones just capped another RZ drill with a TD run. Malik Nabers also had a catch on this drive. He beat DJ Reed on drag
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers just hit Breece Hall in the end zone with a laser from about 10-15 yards out.
Tyron Smith dominating his matchup vs Thibodeaux. #Jets
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers was just sacked (maybe twice by Brian Burns in one play tbh) but it wasn’t called so he completed a pass to Braelon Allen.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Daniel Jones has thrown to Malik Nabers four times in three periods of practice so far. Nabers has two catches
- PBU by Echols on deep shot
- Ball thrown at Nabers’ feet (Reed coverage)
- Completion over middle, 15+ gain (Gardner coverage)
- Short over middle on PA roll out (Reed coverage)
Connor Hughes
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Almost exclusively underneath stuff for Daniel Jones to begin this full-field (not red zone) drill. Did throw one 10/15-yard out near sideline to Theo Johnson. Barnes in coverage. Good throw there #Jets #Giants
Zack Rosenblatt
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Aaron Rodgers got out on the run and the extra time allowed Garrett Wilson to break wide open for a huge gain. Don’t see what corner was covering Garrett because he was so open. #Jets
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Will McDonald & Jermaine Johnson just combined for a sack on Daniel Jones. Johnson likely would have had the solo sack (around Andrew Thomas). Play continued, which allowed McDonald to get in.
I keep hearing crowd on the other side, look up, and see Garrett Wilson running with the ball. #Jets #Giants
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Was hoping for some Sauce Gardner, Malik Nabers action. Hasn’t really happened. #Giants, Daniel Jones have thrown one pass (10 attempts) beyond 10 yards. #Jets
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Daniel Jones & #Giants offense would have had a big one over the middle. Theo Johnson beat Sauce Gardner. Johnson dropped it, though. #Jets
Ahkello Witherspoon would be an adequate starter and a major upgrade for a reasonable cost. I imagine they are waiting to see whose available around cut down day.
Art Stapleton
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Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
Giants offense va Jets defense in three 11/11 periods: Daniel Jones 9 for 9, methodical, nothing vertical, taking checks and crossers.
Best completion to Theo Johnson, tight window with good blitz pickup by Singletary
Overall, Giants O nothing explosive, nothing disasterous.
Connor Hughes
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DTF drill for the #Giants. Daniel Jones found WanDale Robinson over the middle for a first down on 3rd & 10. Decent movement so far here for #NYG. #Jets
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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DTF drill for the #Giants. Daniel Jones found WanDale Robinson over the middle for a first down on 3rd & 10. Decent movement so far here for #NYG. #Jets
And then the drive ends with a Daniel Jones incompletion on third down.
#Jets WR Garrett Wilson just caught a LONG touchdown on the far field from Aaron Rodgers. Huge gain. He beat #Giants’ McCloud again.
Repeat: Every time I hear a roar I look over and Wilson is running around with the ball.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers just threw the ball up the sky and it landed beautifully and perfectly in Garrett Wilson’s arms. Wilson burned CB Nick McCloud. 55 yards.
On that play: Brian Burns tried going under Tyron Smith and Smith stuffed him into the ground
Ralph Vacchiano
@RalphVacchiano
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Aaron Rodgers, off balance, just threw a 60-yard bomb to Garrett Wilson for a touchdown. Wilson torched Giants CB Nick McCloud on the deep route.
It looked ridiculously easy. The Giants secondary is going to be a problem.
The Jets complete several passes downfield in a PRACTICE session, and the masses here PANIC!!!
(sigh), like clockwork!
They looked shaky Saturday, they don't have a #2 CB and Banks has shown while he is in position to make plays just doesn't. Theres a reason they made cap space this week.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets v #Giants, full-team, drive the field drill. Nearly a long TD to Garrett Wilson. He caught it on Banks, but out of bounds. Next play Rodgers goes right back to him for a first down — his third catch on this drive. Four targets
Ralph Vacchiano
@RalphVacchiano
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Aaron Rodgers, off balance, just threw a 60-yard bomb to Garrett Wilson for a touchdown. Wilson torched Giants CB Nick McCloud on the deep route.
It looked ridiculously easy. The Giants secondary is going to be a problem.
Ralph Vacchiano
@RalphVacchiano
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Aaron Rodgers, off balance, just threw a 60-yard bomb to Garrett Wilson for a touchdown. Wilson torched Giants CB Nick McCloud on the deep route.
It looked ridiculously easy. The Giants secondary is going to be a problem.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Aaron Rodgers is picking on Banks this drive. Four completions on him for four first downs. The #Jets are down to the #Giants 5
But I'd expect Aaron Rodgers to pick most secondaries apart in practice. And ours isn't as good as most, for now anyway.
Even if the DBs all turn out all pros, they're going to need time to develop and time to gel. The front 7 and the offense are going to need to cover for them for a while.
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
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Nabers with a drop on a deep ball from Daniel. Had to turn around to get it but had to be caught
But I'd expect Aaron Rodgers to pick most secondaries apart in practice. And ours isn't as good as most, for now anyway.
Even if the DBs all turn out all pros, they're going to need time to develop and time to gel. The front 7 and the offense are going to need to cover for them for a while.
Like I keep saying this is just cardio 7 on 7s, means nothing, especially when trying to cover an ALL PRO with another ALL PRO throwing him the ball.
The Giant Insider Podcast and Newspaper
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Nabers with a drop on a deep ball from Daniel. Had to turn around to get it but had to be caught
Man I wish we had a QB that could throw an accurate pass more frequently then 1 out of ten attempts.
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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This is by far the worst practice I think the giants secondary has had. They’re getting beat deep left and right.
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
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The #Giants offense stalled in the 2-minute drill. Four plays and done. Malik Nabers dropped what was likely a potential would-be TD 40 yards downfield. Went through his hands in the rain.
Patricia Traina
@Patricia_Traina
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This is by far the worst practice I think the giants secondary has had. They’re getting beat deep left and right.
Well of course, a hall of fame QB is whipping our Secondary as opposed to a QB that should not belong in the league as a starter everyday in practice.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner was waving goodbye and blowing kisses to the #Giants sideline after the Taylor - Brownlee TD.
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
The #Jets TD drive orchestrated by Aaron Rodgers
- First down to Garrett Wilson (beat Banks)
- Complete to Allen Lazard
- Incomplete to Wilson
- First down Wilson (beat Banks)
- First down Gipson (beat Banks)
- Complete Lazard
- INT Okereke, Phillips defensive holding
- TD Lazard
The #Giants 4 & out of
- 3-yard completion to Nabers
- Nabers dropped TD (beat Reed)
- Incomplete Slayton
- Incomplete Slayton
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
Malik Nabers today (11-on-11, 7-on-7)
- 6 targets
- 3 catches
- 1 drop (potential TD)
The #Giants rookie caught just one pass when matched up on #Jets CB Sauce Gardner, that I saw. It came in 7-on-7 drills. Went against DJ Reed more often.
We don’t have access to all-22 practice film to watch each rep individually.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
It isn't just talent but a whole defense still learning. The Jets are a would-be playoff team. Not sure what folks expected especially with Rodgers who can't be touched.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
That's exactly right. He's not at all polished out there, and not reliable like Slayton. With Nabers green as can be, Hyatt will need to prove he's dependable before he's on the field with Nabers much. Daboll will want to limit the number of rooks on the field at once for a while.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
That's exactly right. He's not at all polished out there, and not reliable like Slayton. With Nabers green as can be, Hyatt will need to prove he's dependable before he's on the field with Nabers much. Daboll will want to limit the number of rooks on the field at once for a while.
I am not assessing any of our skill players as long as the worst of them is throwing the ball.
Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
I was watching the Giants’ offense today. Nothing really extraordinary either way. Heard a lot cheers from Jets fans watching their offense against the Giants defense. Looked over and saw what looked to be some long completions on that field. Full practice report with Charlotte coming later
Connor Hughes
@Connor_J_Hughes
I had #Giants QB Daniel Jones 12 of 18 passing today against the #Jets defense. He threw a TD & ran one in, both during red zone period. He took two sacks (Kinlaw/Williams, Jermaine Johnson/McDonald).
Jones & offense went 4 & out in their move-the-ball, 2-minute period.
Should be noted: Only two of Jones’ 12 completions were beyond 8-10 yards. Everything else short. Would have had a TD to Nabers (slight under throw), but it was dropped.
I’d sum up #NYG offensive by saying it was woefully uneventful. They didn’t take chances, weren’t aggressive.
Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
I am blown away at the obtuseness of these comments. How can you evaluate a deep threat if the ball cannot travel the projectory to exploit say threat. And you are mad at Hyatt?
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
RE: I said last week after the Texans game the secondary is a majorconcern
The Jets complete several passes downfield in a PRACTICE session, and the masses here PANIC!!!
(sigh), like clockwork!
They looked shaky Saturday, they don't have a #2 CB and Banks has shown while he is in position to make plays just doesn't. Theres a reason they made cap space this week.
I don't see anything wrong with BBI showing concern over the secondary. They are apparently playing today like many of us had feared. And this against a 'good to very good' passing offense although not elite/top of league. Hoping we find a good use for some of that cap room and that it's for a legit CB.
Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
I am blown away at the obtuseness of these comments. How can you evaluate a deep threat if the ball cannot travel the projectory to exploit say threat. And you are mad at Hyatt?
Well Hyatt didn’t do much with Taylor and DeVito last year either. If you’ve been following Hyatt closely you would know that he has issues getting a good release against starting NFL corners. He’s also not the greatest route runner either. He’s a work in progress.
"judging on today's reports", the Giants need to get this, get that. How does anyone here, have ANY idea what they were trying to get accomplished today? Its practice. Play calls and design on offense are often to evaluate certain things.
On defense, they may have had the DBs play in a certain fashion to evaluate them.
The Jets could easily torch them on both sides of the ball if that was THEIR objective and it seems like it was- as it is EVERY year.
I really wouldn't get to worked up over things.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
Hyatts Game is getting separation by his speed. He is not a physical receiver, who will go up and catch the ball. If that was the case you he would’ve made A better effort on Saturday to catch the under thrown ball.
Last season it was a vertical route or nothing from him. A guy with his speed should be killing the underneath. Isn’t college where you just run as fast as you can straight line and the quarterback throws it to you.
RE: Everyone knows they are weak at the #2 CB spot
Look at who they were targeting in the second round in Hard Knocks.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Until it's not. Getting torched by Rogers in a non-contact practice isn't unexpected, and while it isn't necessarily a bad sign, it's certainly not a good one.
Saleh comments earlier this week seem like he may let Rogers play a bit. That will be more telling. I doubt it ends up pretty; we'll see.
Look at who they were targeting in the second round in Hard Knocks.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Well, the Daniel Jones stuff tends to crowd out a lot of other discussions.
dropping passes has become a recurrent thing with Theo Johnson. At least they're not getting turned into picks like with Engram. And to be honest, Nabers is not catching some balls that he should.
Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
So his good rookie year doesn’t count?
And we are using a preseason game and 1 practice as a barometer ?
LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
3 LB's who were playing a lot of snaps, 2 CB's being counted on to compete for the 2nd CB spot, one S expected to compete for a backup role.. That means others are playing and or playing more and we are playing a new defense by the way.. The Jets should look better in these circumstances offensively and if they didn't I would be very worried if I were a Jets fan..
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
You are at practice witnessing these things?
OK, I'll play - were YOU at practice to witness that Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because he has "his head up his ass"? Maybe Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because...wait for it....his number wasn't being called??
It is hard to evaluate Hyatt without context.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
I had Aaron Rodgers completing 16 of 22 passes with three touchdowns — to Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard and Breece Hall.
(Could argue four touchdowns if you include the other one where Wilson made McCloud look silly, though hard to say if someone else would’ve caught him.)
Garrett Wilson had six catches on eight targets today counting 7 on 7.
general for a team that hasn't won anything in forever.
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
wow.. Jones has to be one of the LEAST respected players in the NFL.. Of course the Jets had Zach Wilson at one point too so there is that.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
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My recap video isn’t posting with horrible service so I’ll recap it quick, the Jets had the better day. They were more physical they had the bigger plays. Giants offense did enough to be efficient but dropped balls and some sloppiness could’ve helped make it a better day
Banks' only weak day hasn't been watching the same guy that I have. Today just happened to be horrible, according to accounts.
When else has Banks looked bad?
Are you at camp seeing his reps on a day to day basis?
I'm not judging him on his play at camp. I'm judging him on what I saw in games all last year, a respectable corner but not a special one. He had a 51.4 PFF rating last year, which is mediocre at best. Sauce Gardner, by comparison, was 88.6
Banks' only weak day hasn't been watching the same guy that I have. Today just happened to be horrible, according to accounts.
When else has Banks looked bad?
Are you at camp seeing his reps on a day to day basis?
I'm not judging him on his play at camp. I'm judging him on what I saw in games all last year, a respectable corner but not a special one. He had a 51.4 PFF rating last year, which is mediocre at best. Sauce Gardner, by comparison, was 88.6
He is not as good as Sauce and that is ok as most aren’t…but he did have a pretty good rookie year and I give no credence to PFF stats at all to judge one’s performance
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Defensive players going up against Daniel Jones are like sharks smelling blood. It must be a great feeling.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Defensive players going up against Daniel Jones are like sharks smelling blood. It must be a great feeling.
To be fair defensive players acted the same way with Eli.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Hard to not conclude that Sauce wouldn't mind playing against Jones more often.
Pat Leonard
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Hard to not conclude that Sauce wouldn't mind playing against Jones more often.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
general for a team that hasn't won anything in forever.
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
Nice there JJM!
The issue with social media now dissecting every practice
Is that we/they don't understand what the coaches are doing. For example, for all we know the Giants could have been leaving the cb's on an island (in man to man) to see how they do against Rodgers. This may be a defense they would never use in a real game against a top passing team. However now is a good time to see what would happen.
Same on offense, we just don't know what the coaches wanted to see today. For all we know Daboll could be calling plays to create drives and work the clock, since earlier practices have seen them airing it out.
general for a team that hasn't won anything in forever.
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
The Giants are learning a new defensive system. It takes time. Banks had a solid rookie season, hopefully he can build off that. Sounds like he is struggling a bit. Some people expected him to be Canton bound after last year.
Also judging Hyatt off of some tweets is silly. Again he’s still learning and came in last year very raw. He has very good hands and adjusts to the ball well. He just needs to put it all together. I think he will learn for Nabers eventually.
The Jets always try to win the off-season. Every year they are going to win the Super Bowl and then don’t make the playoffs. They have a great team on paper. This is a meaningless matchup, we don’t face them.
As for the CB situation, it could be a lot of learning mistakes, playing slow because they are unsure. Hopefully that’s the case. I do hope they bring in a vet to help these guys.
cooking up an emergency podcast scolding Sauce for his harsh words toward poor Daniel
Haha. Touché.
Jones is toast. I am not even mad at him, I blame this organization for drafting him and THEN not supporting his development and then PAYING HIM. What a clusterfuck this organization has become.
The Giants are learning a new defensive system. It takes time. Banks had a solid rookie season, hopefully he can build off that. Sounds like he is struggling a bit. Some people expected him to be Canton bound after last year.
Also judging Hyatt off of some tweets is silly. Again he’s still learning and came in last year very raw. He has very good hands and adjusts to the ball well. He just needs to put it all together. I think he will learn for Nabers eventually.
The Jets always try to win the off-season. Every year they are going to win the Super Bowl and then don’t make the playoffs. They have a great team on paper. This is a meaningless matchup, we don’t face them.
As for the CB situation, it could be a lot of learning mistakes, playing slow because they are unsure. Hopefully that’s the case. I do hope they bring in a vet to help these guys.
Rudy I think you are on point with the way I feel. This was a different tempo then the Lions practice which was mostly 11 on 11 trench warfare. This was more of an open court 5 on 5 fast break.
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
wow.. Jones has to be one of the LEAST respected players in the NFL.. Of course the Jets had Zach Wilson at one point too so there is that.
A lot of NFL players are also very stupid.
Look at that KC player who just a few months ago was involved in cruelty to animals and domestic assault. Weeks within each other.
Browns DE Myles Garrett called Deshaun Watson raping 20+ women a "slip up".
Or go look at the NFL's top 100 who voted a WR and Lamar Jackson above Patrick Mahomes. They're great athletes, not scholars.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Do you know the plays that were called - and what option Hyatt was, the coverages that were played, and whether Hyatt was open?
it sounds like the offense did OK today, although they didn't throw the ball much down field. That's somewhat understandable against this defense. Obviously, they wanted more out of the 2-minute drill, but Nabers dropped the 40-yard TD. That's on him, and he admitted it.
The issue is our secondary getting torched. Some of that is to be expected given the extreme youth of the secondary and the new zone system. Also, Wilson is a STUD. That being said, the second CB spot is a problem. The Giants know it too.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
He got paid the $$$$$$ while another qb who most of the players in the league knew was much better, and is much more popular with those players, did not. Ever since then players have been dumping on Jones at every opportunity.
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
It is hard to evaluate Hyatt without context.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Yep, just like "it's hard to evaluate" DJ with a shit o-line and receivers last year...
It is easy for talented young defense backs to look good playing
Man-to-man in Wink’s defense. Asking them to play the next season in Bowen’s zone is much more difficult. Unfortunately, it is going to take at least 4 games to figure it out, in my opinion. Everyone is hoping for a fast Giants start because the middle of the schedule is tough, but defense is going to take some time to jell. Remember Spags defense in 2007.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
He got paid the $$$$$$ while another qb who most of the players in the league knew was much better, and is much more popular with those players, did not. Ever since then players have been dumping on Jones at every opportunity.
Barkley was offered a handsome contract and turned it down. This is old news. And players, many of them, are also dumb (see NFL top 100).
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
These players voted on this in 2017, after both Super Bowls and SB MVP's.
changes my mind or worries me any more than I already was. The 2nd CB is up in the air. The ILB's are thin due to injury and we will need somebody there is McFadden is unable to play week 1.
I think our Oline is going to be top 15, top 10 in the league this year if they stay healthy.
If Johnson and Nabers get open as they did today they are going to make some big plays..
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
I'm cool with that. We need all, or most, of these young guys to step up if we want to see this team get good.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
2 SB wins and 2 SB MVP awards was the ultimate STFU back to those players.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
In spite of Brandon Brown's press conference, the Giants freeing up cap space seems very likely to be able to pounce on a vet CB cut prior to making another team's 53 man roster.
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
I think there will be a point in the season where the players revolt against Jones and they are forced to bench him.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Yeah that was the first 4 seasons, that pretty much stopped after 2007. And there was that brief hubbub over “elite” at the start of 2011 and that was completely silenced by years end
given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
My memory may not be that reliable, but I remember Schoen trading up in the draft, down in the draft, picks for players… no trend suggests to me that he is interested in accumulating picks. Curious what you have seen to prompt that thought?
It is hard to evaluate Hyatt without context.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Really interesting post. Almost seems like they wanted to see how DBs respond to situations where the pass rush wasn't getting home.
RE: RE: the second CB spot is a problem. The Giants know it too.
In spite of Brandon Brown's press conference, the Giants freeing up cap space seems very likely to be able to pounce on a vet CB cut prior to making another team's 53 man roster.
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
Boogie ashamed and Isaiah Simmons would go against that theory.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
There's also a bunch of new guys playing. The proof will be in Schmitz and Neal.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
The Neal stuff of late has been super encouraging. I don't want to get my hopes up, but I can't help it. If he can turn it around...(knocking feverishly on wood)
I think there will be a point in the season where the players revolt against Jones and they are forced to bench him.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
I just hope he stops with the drops before he jumps on DJ, it'll have more credibility
Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
What year was it really bad? 03?
Personally, I would like to see someone cold cock Rodgers. It would make my week!
They had a bunch of fights with the Panthers last week. No announcement on fines yet from the NFL.
excellent
Interested to see if Leonard Taylor makes the 53 for the Jets.
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Let's see just how good this kid is at this point in camp.
It doesn't matter. Sauce will hold and the refs will look the other way
Yup. Double move him on the 1st play. He will hold and it won't be called. Just ask Jalin Hyatt.
Daboll said QB Drew Lock won’t participate in team periods today as he ramps up.
Daboll said there’s no concern about Runyan for Week 1.
Look in - ( New Window )
Daboll really wants to attack down field this year, you can tell by how training camp and the game against the Texans were.
Jones needs to take more chances and now has a viable top playmaker in Nabers to go with a nice combo of other targets. The RB by committee approach will also give the offense fresh legs late in games.
Our Defensive front will have to carry the load but I like 3/4 of our DB's a lot. CB2 seems to be the biggest weaklink.
That's awesome! Thanks for posting!
Asante #19 looks like he returned a kickoff for a TD
Thibs, Dex, Chapman, and Burns all looked good on 1 v 1’s
Asante #19 looks like he returned a kickoff for a TD
Thibs, Dex, Chapman, and Burns all looked good on 1 v 1’s
No value in 7 in 7's except to make the QB feel good. I hope they do 11 on 11s.
One incompletion, one drop(ish) off Nabers’ leg and the one rep vs #Jets Sauce Gardner, Nabers shakes free for big gain in middle of field.
The biggest development: Tyler Nubin was the starting safety next to Jason Pinnock. Dane Belton rotated in, but you can tell where this is headed. Nubin had an interception on the last play of practice, but it was just a desperation heave after a clear sack of Daniel Jones.
Belton got some snaps as the nickel corner. Think we could see some three-safety packages this season.
Off his foot?
Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
12:55 PM · Aug 21, 2024
Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
12:55 PM · Aug 21, 2024
That sounds better
Jones sack (underneath to Singletary)
Singletary run for a little
Jones check down to Tracy
Screen to Singletary
Nice completion Jones to Theo Johnson on an out to left sideline, good blitz pickup by Singletary
A lot of Aaron Rodgers passes downfield complete on the other field
#Giants #Jets
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Giants left several guys home to rehab including Cager, Gunner, Flott, Gio, Long and Adams.
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#Giants100 Daboll - cager gunner flott...owens
..long ..sutherland...adams...mcfadden...djohnson left home for
rehab
@Patricia_Traina
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Daboll said that the kind of practice Daniel Jones has today won’t affect what they do for the game.
@giantswfan
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#Giants100 Daboll - lock still ramping up after his hip injury
@GiantInsider
Following was left back:
Cager
Gunner
Flott
Long
Adams
McFadden
Dyontae Johnson
Runyan
*Dabes says Runyan will be good for the first game.
@giantswfan
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#Giants100 Daboll - tracey amd phillps limited reps today
@Patricia_Traina
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Not a good showing so far by the Giants defensive secondary.
@DDuggan21
Daboll said they left WR Gunner Olszewski, TE Lawrence Cager, OL Jon Runyan, LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
Daboll said QB Drew Lock won’t participate in team periods today as he ramps up.
Daboll said there’s no concern about Runyan for Week 1.
@PLeonardNYDN
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Isaiah Simmons is the other ILB next to Bobby Okereke as the Giants line up in the walkthrough period here
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Not a good showing so far by the Giants defensive secondary.
Weak link of the defense. Without question.
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Giants have no completions in their first 4 7-on-7 TEs on offense: two Jones targets to Nabers (one PBU, one bad throw), two DeVito (including a Stoll drop)
DeVito to Boykin, Jones to Nabers (who beat Sauce), DeVito to Hodgins (one hand catch) to bounce back for #Giants in 7-on-7
Jets offense has been completing toms of passes down the field on Giants defense in 7 on 7
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Three reps for #Giants first-team offense in 7 on 7 drills. All three balls went from Daniel Jones to rookie WR Malik Nabers.
One incompletion, one drop(ish) off Nabers’ leg and the one rep vs #Jets Sauce Gardner, Nabers shakes free for big gain in middle of field.
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Niiiice kick return by Ayir Asante. Love his game. Turned it up the left sideline to the house. He and Eric Gray were the first pairing up, followed by McKenzie-Tracy #Giants #Jets
@PLeonardNYDN
#Giants first O series vs #Jets (with ball moved forward each play regardless to create red zone scenarios):
Jones sack
Jones short pass to Singletary
Singletary run for nothing
Tracy a hard 5-ish yard run
Jones pass to Manhertz just outside goal line (walks in with no tackling)
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Nubin with 1s. He’s starting to take over starting safety spot
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Chuck Clark with a big hit on Eric Gray on the 2nd level
Then after a nice DeVito TD pass to Bellinger up the seam, #Jets’ Braiden McGregor & #Giants’ Josh Miles got into it
Temperature rising
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Brian Burns having a strong start today.
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Lazard drops an easy TD from Rodgers beating Banks
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Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
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Rodgers rolls right, Garrett Wilson improves goes deep beating McCloud for long TD
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Rodgers hits Lazard on a cross beating Banks
Carter Coughlin back today with 2s in team drills
Thibs draws a hold setting the edge on an outside zone run
@PLeonardNYDN
Giants’ 2nd drive, at the 30 going out:
Jones sack (underneath to Singletary)
Singletary run for a little
Jones check down to Tracy
Screen to Singletary
Nice completion Jones to Theo Johnson on an out to left sideline, good blitz pickup by Singletary
A lot of Aaron Rodgers passes downfield complete on the other field
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Not a good showing so far by the Giants defensive secondary.
@JordanRaanan
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The #Giants offense more than holding its own so far vs. #Jets. Daniel Jones in control. No explosive plays but some solid gains.
Nine passes no incompletions.
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Daniel Jones first pass in 7-on-7 drills a deep shot to Malik Nabers. Good coverage from …. Brandin Echols. He broke it up. Second attempt also to Nabers on a drag. Low. Bounced off his foot. DJ Reed in coverage there. #Jets #Giants''
First Sauce Gardner v Malik Nabers matchup. Shifty move over the middle and Nabers gets open. Good gain. Three Jones passes — all thrown to Nabers. Lone completion the one v Gardner so far. Really impressive route in space.
Gardner traveled with Nabers on that play. #Jets #Giants
Daniel Jones sacked by Kinlaw, Williams on first play of team drills. They bumped into him. About as obvious of a sack as you’ll see in practice. #Giants #Jets
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers with an awesome bomb down the field to Xavier Gipson. Gipson went up and got it. Beat Darnay Holmes down the field.
Perfect throw in 7 on 7.
@Connor_J_Hughes
#Giants QB Daniel Jones threw a TD to Manhertz on roll out on his first RZ drill. #Jets S Chuck Clark just decleated Eric Gray. I don’t think Gray is a fan of these joint practices. Same thing happened to him v #Lions.
Jones just capped another RZ drill with a TD run. Malik Nabers also had a catch on this drive. He beat DJ Reed on drag
Zack Rosenblatt
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers just hit Breece Hall in the end zone with a laser from about 10-15 yards out.
Tyron Smith dominating his matchup vs Thibodeaux. #Jets
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers was just sacked (maybe twice by Brian Burns in one play tbh) but it wasn’t called so he completed a pass to Braelon Allen.
@Connor_J_Hughes
Daniel Jones has thrown to Malik Nabers four times in three periods of practice so far. Nabers has two catches
- PBU by Echols on deep shot
- Ball thrown at Nabers’ feet (Reed coverage)
- Completion over middle, 15+ gain (Gardner coverage)
- Short over middle on PA roll out (Reed coverage)
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Almost exclusively underneath stuff for Daniel Jones to begin this full-field (not red zone) drill. Did throw one 10/15-yard out near sideline to Theo Johnson. Barnes in coverage. Good throw there #Jets #Giants
@ZackBlatt
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Fun matchup between Brian Burns and Tyron Smith. Thibodeaux switched to the other side this drive.
Burns’ speed giving him some trouble but been pretty evenly matched overall
(When Smith subbed out for Max Mitchell it was a less good matchup).
@ZackBlatt
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Aaron Rodgers got out on the run and the extra time allowed Garrett Wilson to break wide open for a huge gain. Don’t see what corner was covering Garrett because he was so open. #Jets
@Connor_J_Hughes
Will McDonald & Jermaine Johnson just combined for a sack on Daniel Jones. Johnson likely would have had the solo sack (around Andrew Thomas). Play continued, which allowed McDonald to get in.
I keep hearing crowd on the other side, look up, and see Garrett Wilson running with the ball. #Jets #Giants
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Was hoping for some Sauce Gardner, Malik Nabers action. Hasn’t really happened. #Giants, Daniel Jones have thrown one pass (10 attempts) beyond 10 yards. #Jets
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Daniel Jones & #Giants offense would have had a big one over the middle. Theo Johnson beat Sauce Gardner. Johnson dropped it, though. #Jets
@art_stapleton
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Giants offense vs Jets defense in 1st 11/11 period
Daniel Jones 5 for 5, 2 Nabers catches, Jones TD run
Mostly play action, misdirection, good ball fakes by Jones, short/intermediate throws, nothing vertical in fringe red zone area
Giants offense va Jets defense in three 11/11 periods: Daniel Jones 9 for 9, methodical, nothing vertical, taking checks and crossers.
Best completion to Theo Johnson, tight window with good blitz pickup by Singletary
Overall, Giants O nothing explosive, nothing disasterous.
@GiantInsider
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Belton and Nubin with 1s. Been seeing this combo a lot
@Connor_J_Hughes
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DTF drill for the #Giants. Daniel Jones found WanDale Robinson over the middle for a first down on 3rd & 10. Decent movement so far here for #NYG. #Jets
@GiantInsider
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Belton and Nubin with 1s. Been seeing this combo a lot
Where art thou Pinnock?
I think this is just because Eric is catching up.
Which I totally appreciate!
@GiantInsider
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Rodgers with a beautiful vertical to Wilson beating McCloud
@PLeonardNYDN
Giants 3rd 1st string drive vs Jets :
Jones pitch to Singletary
Sack
False start
Gray nice run
Jones to Wan’Dale for 12 yards
@Connor_J_Hughes
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DTF drill for the #Giants. Daniel Jones found WanDale Robinson over the middle for a first down on 3rd & 10. Decent movement so far here for #NYG. #Jets
And then the drive ends with a Daniel Jones incompletion on third down.
#Jets WR Garrett Wilson just caught a LONG touchdown on the far field from Aaron Rodgers. Huge gain. He beat #Giants’ McCloud again.
Repeat: Every time I hear a roar I look over and Wilson is running around with the ball.
The crowd is now chanting his name.
@ZackBlatt
Aaron Rodgers just threw the ball up the sky and it landed beautifully and perfectly in Garrett Wilson’s arms. Wilson burned CB Nick McCloud. 55 yards.
On that play: Brian Burns tried going under Tyron Smith and Smith stuffed him into the ground
@charlottecrrll
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What a play for #Jets offense.
Aaron Rodgers connects with Garrett Wilson on a loooong TD. Giants CB Nick McCloud burnt on the play and Rodgers threw the perfect ball.
Rodgers imitates putting crown on Wilson’s head as crowd chants Wilson’s name. #giants #Jets
@GiantInsider
Holmes DPI on a Taylor pass
@PLeonardNYDN
Giants 4th series for 1st string offense vs Jets top defense (Kubas playing right guard instead of Van Roten now):
Theo Johnson drop (would have been a huge play)
Jones short to Wan’Dale
Jones high incomplete for Wan’Dale
Jones to Wan’Dale big play 25 yards or so on a clear out up seam
Jones scramble
Gray run for little
Jones short slant to Tracy
Incomplete play action
(sigh), like clockwork!
@RalphVacchiano
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Aaron Rodgers, off balance, just threw a 60-yard bomb to Garrett Wilson for a touchdown. Wilson torched Giants CB Nick McCloud on the deep route.
It looked ridiculously easy. The Giants secondary is going to be a problem.
Rodgers ➡️ Wilson is going to be a problem, too.
@RalphVacchiano
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This is obviously just one example, and we’re not allowed to shoot any more video, but …
Aaron Rodgers and the Jets’ offense vs. the Giants’ secondary has not exactly been a fair fight in this joint practice so far.
https://x.com/RalphVacchiano/status/1826310242822729761 - ( New Window )
@BobbySkinner_
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Evan Neal v. Eric Watts
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1826312934294802776 - ( New Window )
@BobbySkinner_
Benton Whitley v. Max Mitchell
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1826312283343253771 - ( New Window )
(sigh), like clockwork!
They looked shaky Saturday, they don't have a #2 CB and Banks has shown while he is in position to make plays just doesn't. Theres a reason they made cap space this week.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets v #Giants, full-team, drive the field drill. Nearly a long TD to Garrett Wilson. He caught it on Banks, but out of bounds. Next play Rodgers goes right back to him for a first down — his third catch on this drive. Four targets
@RalphVacchiano
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Aaron Rodgers, off balance, just threw a 60-yard bomb to Garrett Wilson for a touchdown. Wilson torched Giants CB Nick McCloud on the deep route.
It looked ridiculously easy. The Giants secondary is going to be a problem.
Rodgers ➡️ Wilson is going to be a problem, too.
Not for us. We don’t play them.
@charlottecrrll
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Nick McCloud on sidelines for two minute drill. Tre Hawkins in at CB
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@RalphVacchiano
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Aaron Rodgers, off balance, just threw a 60-yard bomb to Garrett Wilson for a touchdown. Wilson torched Giants CB Nick McCloud on the deep route.
It looked ridiculously easy. The Giants secondary is going to be a problem.
Rodgers ➡️ Wilson is going to be a problem, too.
Not for us. We don’t play them.
7 on 7s are meaningless. Wake me for 11s
@BobbySkinner_
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Evan Neal v. Eric Watts https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1826312934294802776 - ( New Window )
Video's have been limited, I wish we could see more than 1 rep.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Aaron Rodgers is picking on Banks this drive. Four completions on him for four first downs. The #Jets are down to the #Giants 5
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Okereke picks off Rodgers, but a defensive holding called. Dru Phillips called for it. #Giants #Jets
@BobbySkinner_
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Evan Neal v. Eric Watts https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1826312934294802776 - ( New Window )
He looked pretty good there.
Even if the DBs all turn out all pros, they're going to need time to develop and time to gel. The front 7 and the offense are going to need to cover for them for a while.
@charlottecrrll
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Nick McCloud on sidelines for two minute drill. Tre Hawkins in at CB
Schoen should have signed a veteran CB. Flott and McCloud are an issue for what could be a good defense.
@Patricia_Traina
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Jets receiver Garrett Wilson having himself a day.
Holy crap we are getting old... that is crazy!
@GiantInsider
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Deflected ball picked off by Okereke but defensive holding call in end zone on Dru Phillips
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@GiantInsider
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Belton and Nubin with 1s. Been seeing this combo a lot
Where art thou Pinnock?
Its' been alleged that he's carrying a block around...
the trade block.
@GiantInsider
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Nabers with a drop on a deep ball from Daniel. Had to turn around to get it but had to be caught
Even if the DBs all turn out all pros, they're going to need time to develop and time to gel. The front 7 and the offense are going to need to cover for them for a while.
Like I keep saying this is just cardio 7 on 7s, means nothing, especially when trying to cover an ALL PRO with another ALL PRO throwing him the ball.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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And touchdown #Jets. Flat-footed Rodgers threw a side arm to Lazard for TD. He beat Hawkins.
It was an 8-play drive. Rodgers was 6 of 7 passing with the TD. Went at Banks a lot. #Giants CB gave up three first downs
@GiantInsider
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Nabers with a drop on a deep ball from Daniel. Had to turn around to get it but had to be caught
Man I wish we had a QB that could throw an accurate pass more frequently then 1 out of ten attempts.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Malik Nabers dropped a would-be gain, potentially touchdown. He beat DJ Reed.
The #Giants offense goes 3 & out. The plays
- 3-yard pass to Nabers
- Nabers drop
- Incomplete Slayton
- Incomplete Slayton
@Patricia_Traina
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This is by far the worst practice I think the giants secondary has had. They’re getting beat deep left and right.
@PLeonardNYDN
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Full team period both sides’ 1st units from the 50:
Rodgers and Jets drive for a TD, Jones and Giants go 4 and out
Sauce Gardner is waving goodbye to the Giants’ entire sideline after the Jets’ 2nd offense then connects on a deep TD: Tyrod to Brownlee
@JordanRaanan
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The #Giants offense stalled in the 2-minute drill. Four plays and done. Malik Nabers dropped what was likely a potential would-be TD 40 yards downfield. Went through his hands in the rain.
@GiantInsider
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Tyrod Taylor hits Brownlee on a deep ball bearing Goodrich
@Patricia_Traina
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This is by far the worst practice I think the giants secondary has had. They’re getting beat deep left and right.
Well of course, a hall of fame QB is whipping our Secondary as opposed to a QB that should not belong in the league as a starter everyday in practice.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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Another #Jets touchdown.
A 51-yard bomb from Tyrod Taylor to Jason Brownlee. He beat Goodrich. Tremendous, finger-tip catch from Brownlee.
These are full-field, full-team, move-the-ball drill.
@GiantInsider
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Giants secondary really struggling today
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner was waving goodbye and blowing kisses to the #Giants sideline after the Taylor - Brownlee TD.
This was a day won by the Jets.
Good. They should.
@PLeonardNYDN
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Rodgers and Jets first offense had a ton of success downfield today
Nick McCloud started the day as CB2 but Tre Hawkins replaced him in the team period with the 1s
@Connor_J_Hughes
The #Jets TD drive orchestrated by Aaron Rodgers
- First down to Garrett Wilson (beat Banks)
- Complete to Allen Lazard
- Incomplete to Wilson
- First down Wilson (beat Banks)
- First down Gipson (beat Banks)
- Complete Lazard
- INT Okereke, Phillips defensive holding
- TD Lazard
The #Giants 4 & out of
- 3-yard completion to Nabers
- Nabers dropped TD (beat Reed)
- Incomplete Slayton
- Incomplete Slayton
Practice is now over
They all need the work, especially the QB and CB's.
@JordanRaanan
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Malik Nabers: “I had too many drops.” #Giants
@JordanRaanan
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Malik Nabers: “I had too many drops.” #Giants
He needs to watch "Receiver"; one of them, Amon-Ra I think, catches 200 balls from the jugs machine after every practice.
@Connor_J_Hughes
Malik Nabers today (11-on-11, 7-on-7)
- 6 targets
- 3 catches
- 1 drop (potential TD)
The #Giants rookie caught just one pass when matched up on #Jets CB Sauce Gardner, that I saw. It came in 7-on-7 drills. Went against DJ Reed more often.
We don’t have access to all-22 practice film to watch each rep individually.
So we dropped a TD and had a turnover taken away
@GiantInsider
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Jets got the better of the play today on both sides of the ball. #NYGiants
WHy would you think he would be targeted, when your QB cannot get past his first read or check down.
@JordanRaanan
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Malik Nabers after Sauce Gardner was celebrating and gesturing to the Giants sideline late in practice.
“They won on the day,” Nabers said of the Jets.
Nabers thought the Giants beat themselves. He was hard on himself for what he considered a pair of drops. #giants
It isn't just talent but a whole defense still learning. The Jets are a would-be playoff team. Not sure what folks expected especially with Rodgers who can't be touched.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Whether it’s a FA like Witherspoon, or a trade for a guy like Newsome, Farley, Elam, Lattimore, or Okudah.
That's exactly right. He's not at all polished out there, and not reliable like Slayton. With Nabers green as can be, Hyatt will need to prove he's dependable before he's on the field with Nabers much. Daboll will want to limit the number of rooks on the field at once for a while.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
That's exactly right. He's not at all polished out there, and not reliable like Slayton. With Nabers green as can be, Hyatt will need to prove he's dependable before he's on the field with Nabers much. Daboll will want to limit the number of rooks on the field at once for a while.
I am not assessing any of our skill players as long as the worst of them is throwing the ball.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
@DDuggan21
I was watching the Giants’ offense today. Nothing really extraordinary either way. Heard a lot cheers from Jets fans watching their offense against the Giants defense. Looked over and saw what looked to be some long completions on that field. Full practice report with Charlotte coming later
@GiantInsider
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Daniel: “For the most part we executed well. Have to do better on two-minute drill”
@Connor_J_Hughes
I had #Giants QB Daniel Jones 12 of 18 passing today against the #Jets defense. He threw a TD & ran one in, both during red zone period. He took two sacks (Kinlaw/Williams, Jermaine Johnson/McDonald).
Jones & offense went 4 & out in their move-the-ball, 2-minute period.
Should be noted: Only two of Jones’ 12 completions were beyond 8-10 yards. Everything else short. Would have had a TD to Nabers (slight under throw), but it was dropped.
I’d sum up #NYG offensive by saying it was woefully uneventful. They didn’t take chances, weren’t aggressive.
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Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
I am blown away at the obtuseness of these comments. How can you evaluate a deep threat if the ball cannot travel the projectory to exploit say threat. And you are mad at Hyatt?
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
That's the most important takeaway especially since they have a bunch of players who are already dinged up.
Banks is not taking a step forward imv snd we don’t have a starting CB2
It’s a problem my friends!!!!
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
Banks is not taking a step forward imv snd we don’t have a starting CB2
It’s a problem my friends!!!!
I don't think you've been listening to my podcasts.
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Hopefully he’s not another Schoen miss and is really a CB2 instead of a CB1..
Yep. Based on these reports, this is one of the more discouraging performances on the day.
Let's not go crazy, this is an open drill against an ALL PRO WR and a Hall of Fame QB.
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The Jets complete several passes downfield in a PRACTICE session, and the masses here PANIC!!!
(sigh), like clockwork!
They looked shaky Saturday, they don't have a #2 CB and Banks has shown while he is in position to make plays just doesn't. Theres a reason they made cap space this week.
I don't see anything wrong with BBI showing concern over the secondary. They are apparently playing today like many of us had feared. And this against a 'good to very good' passing offense although not elite/top of league. Hoping we find a good use for some of that cap room and that it's for a legit CB.
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Which is exactly why you would like to see something. Right now you have to assume Slayton is ahead of him, but you'd like to see that change.
I just think we need to limit our expectations on him for this season. We all want him to be the receiver he was at Tennessee, but he still has a ton of work to do at this level.
I am blown away at the obtuseness of these comments. How can you evaluate a deep threat if the ball cannot travel the projectory to exploit say threat. And you are mad at Hyatt?
Well Hyatt didn’t do much with Taylor and DeVito last year either. If you’ve been following Hyatt closely you would know that he has issues getting a good release against starting NFL corners. He’s also not the greatest route runner either. He’s a work in progress.
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Hopefully he’s not another Schoen miss and is really a CB2 instead of a CB1..
Yep. Based on these reports, this is one of the more discouraging performances on the day.
Let's not go crazy, this is an open drill against an ALL PRO WR and a Hall of Fame QB.
Dallas and Philly have good QB’s and WR’s too…
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Hopefully he’s not another Schoen miss and is really a CB2 instead of a CB1..
Yep. Based on these reports, this is one of the more discouraging performances on the day.
Theres enough concerns with this team that we dont have to go looking for more. Banks getting worked by a hall of famer is a learning experience.
On defense, they may have had the DBs play in a certain fashion to evaluate them.
The Jets could easily torch them on both sides of the ball if that was THEIR objective and it seems like it was- as it is EVERY year.
I really wouldn't get to worked up over things.
I'd group him with Hyatt right now- a guy who could turn out real good but isn't there yet. Not a solid CB1 at this point, imo
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Cant target guys who aren't open and get no separation. Hyatt isnt a physical WR, right now he has 2 routes, a Go and Post. He cant even work underneath because he cant figure out spacing, he had the issue last year and he had it vs the Lions.
You are at practice witnessing these things? Another tired excuse that our skill players are not getting WIDE OPEN for Daniel Jones.
Hyatts Game is getting separation by his speed. He is not a physical receiver, who will go up and catch the ball. If that was the case you he would’ve made A better effort on Saturday to catch the under thrown ball.
Last season it was a vertical route or nothing from him. A guy with his speed should be killing the underneath. Isn’t college where you just run as fast as you can straight line and the quarterback throws it to you.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Saleh comments earlier this week seem like he may let Rogers play a bit. That will be more telling. I doubt it ends up pretty; we'll see.
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Look at who they were targeting in the second round in Hard Knocks.
The tradeoff now is getting pressure with Burns vs. having a #2 CB in the draft.
Which we supposedly knew a month ago, and I dont know why we continue to react to it like a UFO landed in the middle of metlife.
Some of us have been commenting since the draft that we have 1 starting level CB on this roster and people couldnt see past the offensive line struggle to notice anything else.
Well, the Daniel Jones stuff tends to crowd out a lot of other discussions.
Let's just hope the pass rush is effective.
Judging Banks on one practice?
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
Agreed, that is a really stupid take.
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
I'm saying he had a bad day, which he did. Sensitive much? The secondary sucks. McCloud had a bad one, too.
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
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Banks getting beat like a drum and Hyatt not doing anything is really disappointing.
Judging Banks on one practice?
He didn’t look good when he was in the game the other day either. He’s an OK player right now. 2nd years are when guys typically take a big jump. Hopefully this applies to Banks.
So his good rookie year doesn’t count?
And we are using a preseason game and 1 practice as a barometer ?
Learning a new system doesn’t happen overnight
Total overreaction
LB Micah McFadden, LB Matthew Adams, LB Dyontae Johnson, CB Cor’Dale Flott, CB David Long, S Gervarrius Owens and S Jonathan Sutherland back at their facility to rehab.
3 LB's who were playing a lot of snaps, 2 CB's being counted on to compete for the 2nd CB spot, one S expected to compete for a backup role.. That means others are playing and or playing more and we are playing a new defense by the way.. The Jets should look better in these circumstances offensively and if they didn't I would be very worried if I were a Jets fan..
Sounds like they need it.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
You are at practice witnessing these things?
OK, I'll play - were YOU at practice to witness that Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because he has "his head up his ass"? Maybe Jones wasn't targeting Hyatt because...wait for it....his number wasn't being called??
Just a thought...
@Schmeelk
Here's what I saw from the sideline against joint practices vs. the Jets.
https://x.com/Schmeelk/status/1826344710149210493 - ( New Window )
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
@Connor_J_Hughes
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“They look crazy!” - #Jets CB Sauce Gardner after watching his offense vs the #Giants defense.
Jokes they’re going to be in the facility with big heads later.
Aaron Rodgers threw four TDs against #NYG, several of the big-play variety
@Connor_J_Hughes
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“He’s nice,” #Jets CB Sauce Gardner says of #Giants WR Malik Nabers.
Says he reminds him of Justin Jefferson, Ja’Marr Chase.
@ZackBlatt
I had Aaron Rodgers completing 16 of 22 passes with three touchdowns — to Garrett Wilson, Allen Lazard and Breece Hall.
(Could argue four touchdowns if you include the other one where Wilson made McCloud look silly, though hard to say if someone else would’ve caught him.)
Garrett Wilson had six catches on eight targets today counting 7 on 7.
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
He knows….
@Connor_J_Hughes
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Can’t fool the players
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching
https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
When else has Banks looked bad?
Are you at camp seeing his reps on a day to day basis?
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
@PLeonardNYDN
This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
wow.. Jones has to be one of the LEAST respected players in the NFL.. Of course the Jets had Zach Wilson at one point too so there is that.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
He wants to say it so bad….
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My recap video isn’t posting with horrible service so I’ll recap it quick, the Jets had the better day. They were more physical they had the bigger plays. Giants offense did enough to be efficient but dropped balls and some sloppiness could’ve helped make it a better day
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Banks' only weak day hasn't been watching the same guy that I have. Today just happened to be horrible, according to accounts.
When else has Banks looked bad?
Are you at camp seeing his reps on a day to day basis?
I'm not judging him on his play at camp. I'm judging him on what I saw in games all last year, a respectable corner but not a special one. He had a 51.4 PFF rating last year, which is mediocre at best. Sauce Gardner, by comparison, was 88.6
Not a problem :)
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Banks' only weak day hasn't been watching the same guy that I have. Today just happened to be horrible, according to accounts.
When else has Banks looked bad?
Are you at camp seeing his reps on a day to day basis?
I'm not judging him on his play at camp. I'm judging him on what I saw in games all last year, a respectable corner but not a special one. He had a 51.4 PFF rating last year, which is mediocre at best. Sauce Gardner, by comparison, was 88.6
He is not as good as Sauce and that is ok as most aren’t…but he did have a pretty good rookie year and I give no credence to PFF stats at all to judge one’s performance
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Defensive players going up against Daniel Jones are like sharks smelling blood. It must be a great feeling.
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Pat Leonard
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Defensive players going up against Daniel Jones are like sharks smelling blood. It must be a great feeling.
To be fair defensive players acted the same way with Eli.
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Hard to not conclude that Sauce wouldn't mind playing against Jones more often.
Asante #19 looks like he returned a kickoff for a TD
Thibs, Dex, Chapman, and Burns all looked good on 1 v 1’s
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Anyone can look good against a zone defense in 7-on-7s., even Jones.
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Pat Leonard
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
Hard to not conclude that Sauce wouldn't mind playing against Jones more often.
I think that applies to a lot of DBs.
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip
Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
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“He’s nice,” #Jets CB Sauce Gardner says of #Giants WR Malik Nabers.
Says he reminds him of Justin Jefferson, Ja’Marr Chase.
Sauce on Nabers - ( New Window )
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
Nice there JJM!
Same on offense, we just don't know what the coaches wanted to see today. For all we know Daboll could be calling plays to create drives and work the clock, since earlier practices have seen them airing it out.
I don't get too worried until game #1.
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general for a team that hasn't won anything in forever.
Giants have been bad for a while, VERY bad really. But, over the last 10 years:
Gmen- 60-102-1
Jets- 55-108
when one team has had a pretty horrible run in their history and they still have 5 more wins over the same time frame, then you might want to check the egos and the comments at the door and actually win first.
Nice there JJM!
jvm!!
Haha. Touché.
The Giants are learning a new defensive system. It takes time. Banks had a solid rookie season, hopefully he can build off that. Sounds like he is struggling a bit. Some people expected him to be Canton bound after last year.
Also judging Hyatt off of some tweets is silly. Again he’s still learning and came in last year very raw. He has very good hands and adjusts to the ball well. He just needs to put it all together. I think he will learn for Nabers eventually.
The Jets always try to win the off-season. Every year they are going to win the Super Bowl and then don’t make the playoffs. They have a great team on paper. This is a meaningless matchup, we don’t face them.
As for the CB situation, it could be a lot of learning mistakes, playing slow because they are unsure. Hopefully that’s the case. I do hope they bring in a vet to help these guys.
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Haha. Touché.
Jones is toast. I am not even mad at him, I blame this organization for drafting him and THEN not supporting his development and then PAYING HIM. What a clusterfuck this organization has become.
The Giants are learning a new defensive system. It takes time. Banks had a solid rookie season, hopefully he can build off that. Sounds like he is struggling a bit. Some people expected him to be Canton bound after last year.
Also judging Hyatt off of some tweets is silly. Again he’s still learning and came in last year very raw. He has very good hands and adjusts to the ball well. He just needs to put it all together. I think he will learn for Nabers eventually.
The Jets always try to win the off-season. Every year they are going to win the Super Bowl and then don’t make the playoffs. They have a great team on paper. This is a meaningless matchup, we don’t face them.
As for the CB situation, it could be a lot of learning mistakes, playing slow because they are unsure. Hopefully that’s the case. I do hope they bring in a vet to help these guys.
Rudy I think you are on point with the way I feel. This was a different tempo then the Lions practice which was mostly 11 on 11 trench warfare. This was more of an open court 5 on 5 fast break.
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This Sauce Gardner answer on Daniel Jones is worth watching https://x.com/PLeonardNYDN/status/1826346922308927874 - ( New Window )
wow.. Jones has to be one of the LEAST respected players in the NFL.. Of course the Jets had Zach Wilson at one point too so there is that.
A lot of NFL players are also very stupid.
Look at that KC player who just a few months ago was involved in cruelty to animals and domestic assault. Weeks within each other.
Browns DE Myles Garrett called Deshaun Watson raping 20+ women a "slip up".
Or go look at the NFL's top 100 who voted a WR and Lamar Jackson above Patrick Mahomes. They're great athletes, not scholars.
Sadly, this is where we are at.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Do you know the plays that were called - and what option Hyatt was, the coverages that were played, and whether Hyatt was open?
The issue is our secondary getting torched. Some of that is to be expected given the extreme youth of the secondary and the new zone system. Also, Wilson is a STUD. That being said, the second CB spot is a problem. The Giants know it too.
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Sadly, this is where we are at.
Eric, we just need to be grateful that we are even allowed to root for the Giants & how dare we criticize them.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
He got paid the $$$$$$ while another qb who most of the players in the league knew was much better, and is much more popular with those players, did not. Ever since then players have been dumping on Jones at every opportunity.
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Yep, just like "it's hard to evaluate" DJ with a shit o-line and receivers last year...
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
He got paid the $$$$$$ while another qb who most of the players in the league knew was much better, and is much more popular with those players, did not. Ever since then players have been dumping on Jones at every opportunity.
Barkley was offered a handsome contract and turned it down. This is old news. And players, many of them, are also dumb (see NFL top 100).
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
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I wouldn’t get worked up over Banks yet.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Eli also won 2 Super Bowls and Super Bowl MVP both times. MVP stands for ‘Most Valuable Player’, in case you didn’t know that.
These players voted on this in 2017, after both Super Bowls and SB MVP's.
Jones hasn’t proven shit
A rookie corner was calling him out last year, I mean wow
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Been reading this entire thread waiting for something on Neal.
Right. And the current bunch voted Lamar is above Mahomes.
Jaquan Brisker
Pat Peterson
Multiple 49er players
Devon Witherspoon
Sauce Gardner
Tom Brady
You can’t fool the players.
I think our Oline is going to be top 15, top 10 in the league this year if they stay healthy.
If Johnson and Nabers get open as they did today they are going to make some big plays..
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I wouldn’t get worked up over Banks yet.
To be clear, I don't think anyone, certainly not me, is saying Banks is a stiff. But there have been comments from some that he is at or near Pro Bowl caliber. I think that the sentiment that some others may share with me is that after all the hype when he was drafted he would have had a bigger, more immediate impact than he's had. Still hopeful, as I am with Thibs
Remember he was drafted to play press corner in Wink's system. He's having to make a transition with the new defense. It might not be as good of a fit, or it will just take some time.
I'm cool with that. We need all, or most, of these young guys to step up if we want to see this team get good.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Good stuff - thanks.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
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I have a friend who is an avid Jets fan and was at the practice. He also played defensive line at Miami so I trust his opinion.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great info, this post could warrant starting a new thread just to highlight this POV.
Thanks knowledge
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“He’s nice,” #Jets CB Sauce Gardner says of #Giants WR Malik Nabers.
Says he reminds him of Justin Jefferson, Ja’Marr Chase.
Sauce on Nabers - ( New Window )
Sauce wasn't smirking when discussing Nabers.
His comments were not waxing poetic about Neal's play. Neal was going against the Jets' second team.
He was more disappointed that the Jets could not do more.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
2 SB wins and 2 SB MVP awards was the ultimate STFU back to those players.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
It's even worse than described.
QB hell man, like Eric says: QB HELL....
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#Jets CB Sauce Gardner with a smile-filled answer on Daniel Jones. Called him “good.”
Here's the video clip Sauce on DJ - ( New Window )
It's even worse than described.
QB hell man, like Eric says: QB HELL....
Everyone in the league knows expect our owner
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
From his vantage point, he said it was difficult to make specific players evaluations. They do not make it easy for the fans.
He offered the following.
The practices between the lines were very competitive. He saw a lot of second-team snaps. Evan Neal stood out, because of his size. He said Evan did well in the reps he saw.
He was disappointed with the Jets rush, except for McDonald and Johnson. He could not tell, but they were rushing against the Giants' second-teamers.
He could not see the Giants defense vs. Jets line.
He said in the 11 vs. 11 the Giants had no rush against the Jets. But he felt that this was intentional. After the initial contact, the DL stood up and did not pursue the play. This allowed Rogers to break the containment rollout and make big plays. He also said that the initial coverage was there.
He also offered the intensity from the Jets was far greater. He thinks Saleh laid into them after a terrible practice yesterday. They were all into it and were ragging on the Giants.
Great post. Thanks.
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I’m obviously not a believer in Jones and I’m not going to cry for him, but I can’t recall a QB getting dunked on as much as him from opposing players. But if he wants to have them STFU, prove it on the field.
You have a short memory. Eli was voted the most overrated player in the NFL by his peers (that's the players in case you didn't get that).
Yeah that was the first 4 seasons, that pretty much stopped after 2007. And there was that brief hubbub over “elite” at the start of 2011 and that was completely silenced by years end
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Brian Burns had a nice practice. Had him down for 2 TFL’s, one sack and one possible.
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The #Giants must find a corner to start opposite Deonte Banks or all those pass-rushing additions won’t mean a thing
https://x.com/Connor_J_Hughes/status/1826362617469812996 - ( New Window )
given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
My memory may not be that reliable, but I remember Schoen trading up in the draft, down in the draft, picks for players… no trend suggests to me that he is interested in accumulating picks. Curious what you have seen to prompt that thought?
It does not sound as if the Giants were pushing the ball down the field.
Most of, if not all the passes were short and underneath.
If that is the case then you would not expect Hyatt to have any receptions. That is not his game.
It is premature to make any judgment on his play
I will make the same comment about the secondary. There is no pass rush per se.
We do not know the coverage. Were the Giants purposely testing Banks and the other corners to see if they could cover man to man?
It sounds as if the Giants were not giving help to the corners.
These practices are to experiment and test players in awkward situations.
I do think that the Jets took this more seriously than the Giants.I am basing this on Gardner's reaction.
Nabers will remember this and payback will be a bitch.
Really interesting post. Almost seems like they wanted to see how DBs respond to situations where the pass rush wasn't getting home.
Less likely it's a trade, given Schoen seems much more interested in accumulating picks prior to the draft than trading them away.
Boogie ashamed and Isaiah Simmons would go against that theory.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
Two things that should be interesting. The former Oline Coach the way I understood it, taught the oline to play a more horizontal attacking scheme and our new oline coach wants his tackles to get more depth. Depth would seem to help Evan with his balance issues since he has more room to gauge and recover as apposed to playing more flat giving him less room for error if he falters. Should be interesting.
After two preseason games where the OL looks competent it should be fairly obvious how much the OL coach matters.
There's also a bunch of new guys playing. The proof will be in Schmitz and Neal.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
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I think there will be a point in the season where the players revolt against Jones and they are forced to bench him.
I absolutely guarantee a Makik Nabers sideline outburst by the Cowboys game, over the lack of targets or under thrown balls that would make Odell blush.
I just hope he stops with the drops before he jumps on DJ, it'll have more credibility
What harsh words?
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Seems to be highly overrated on this board. The Jets have a solid secondary with two good corners. Hyatt is a work in progress at this point. It may click in for him, but he’s not there yet.
Did Jones even target him. How can we assess the WR if the QB can't get his head out of his ass?
Oh wait... we can't assess the WRs if the QB sucks, but if the o-line and receivers suck, we CAN assess DJ?
Great point!!
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
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be made of one 1-on-1 pass rep? Of course.
But Evan Neal looked real good.
If we all agree the coaching at OL stunk i dont see why there shouldnt be hope for Neal.
Agree, but otoh, Sy said he had balance issues in college, so we might not be able to coach everything away. But if he can at least be better than Eleu, that would let us strengthen 2 positions with moving Elue back to G
A balance issue is correctable. Means he is bending his waste vs squatting his ass down.
That would be wonderful