Regardless of what media or coaches say, no one knows better if a guy has talent than the guys who play with him.
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
I was worried nobody would leap to DJ's defense after Sauce Gardner failed to give a glowing review of his play when prompted immediately after a joint practice.
Golden Tate has had lots of good things to say about DJ. He had issues with the coaches, and I have to wager most ex-players in blue have the same belief.
He works harder than anyone, his looks the part and has the physical tools, and every coach who has worked with has sung his praises.
This is the exact problem with Daniel Jones, because all this - in the end - has resulted in an endless commitment to a QB that has had only one season of above-average play.
At least we'll finally put an an end (either way) to the question of whether the supporting cast was the problem this season.
good for DS...makes a fair point IMHO...liking this teams swag early...hope it grows...good dock DJ...good guy. hope he can win this year as a fan...JUST WIN BABY!...if not, next chapter
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Slayton makes some points, and this is why preseason games/practices
should not be used for anything but evaluating players and getting ready for the season. People making "absolute" determinations on any player after a preseason practice/scrimmage/game really don't know what they are talking about.
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
should not be used for anything but evaluating players and getting ready for the season. People making "absolute" determinations on any player after a preseason practice/scrimmage/game really don't know what they are talking about.
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
Like John said in the podcast with Sy, it's not just a couple of plays in a preseason game (or practice) it's the fact that the same problems are showing up in preseason/practice that have been prevalent for years
That being said, I think our results of the past several years (which are not all Jones’ fault) make it easier for people to point to him specifically since QB is arguably the most impactful position on a team.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go elsewhere as a backup and have like a late career surge if he finds himself on a team that is mostly built to win (think Rich Gannon).
RE: Let's just wait and see how the season plays out.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
By all accounts, DJ played well in that practice and his numbers that day would look really damn good if Theo and Nabers make their catches. Against the Jets starters, mind you.
Is liked by teammates and the front office. He’s an extremely hard worker and good guy by all accounts. The problem is that he has limitations as a QB in that he doesn’t process well. I do think his career would of gone a ton better if he would of went in the second round and went to a more stable organization similar to what happened to Jalen Hurts.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
What's made me dislike DJ more than his play on the field is the fans who have mocked others who don't believe he's very good despite the evidence to the contrary. See the post directly above yours az an example
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
No one forces Slayton or Waller to go on these shows and defend Danny. Slayton knows it is beyond comical how much shit the guy gets. Is he a top QB? Not at all and [likely] won't ever be, but by the disdain he gets, you figure he would be raping women and pillaging villages. Justin Fields has been worse than DJ and gets nothing. Then again, he has his own little fanbase on BBI for God knows why.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
His comment about how they would have run the ball
Is the key part to me. If the Giants show an ability to run the ball effectively - which they have not done in a long time - that creates opportunities in the passing game.
Can’t take any of that serious when this is a real quote
Or Justin Herbert, for that matter. Matter of fact, if you ask most people about Justin Herbert, they'd probably tell you that he's a top-five quarterback, but under what logic? Can you really make a case for that, that he's a top-five quarterback?
"You just believe he's capable of that, because you see the big arm, basically that he's big, he's tall, he has a rocket of an arm. You assume his processing is good. You assume he's smart and all these things. You don't actually know, though."
The guy with a nearly 3-1 TD:INT ratio, has thrown for 5000 and 38 TDs and has won ROY has a much better case to be included in the top 5 than Jones does to be in the top 15.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
Why in the world would anyone think players would talk 'off the record' to a fan. What an utterly ridiculous comment. Off the record with fans? Come on.
But if by some insane move three players agreed to saying something 'off the record,' with a fan, off the record means you don't disclose it, not that you report it without saying who said it.
Now, I'm not saying there aren't players who would like to see someone else at QB. But when I read that post, after laughing, I said, okay, it's Lock, DeVito and some backup CB who Nabers and Jones embarrassed.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Let's see how things go with the regular season when actual plays are called. This Sauce nonsense is just bait for the news and readers. Good on Slayton to defend his QB. That is what I like to see when another team smack talks etc.
Besides, this is the JETS and the dumpster fire this org has been and will always be.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Regardless of what media or coaches say, no one knows better if a guy has talent than the guys who play with him.
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
The irony, with Slayton at least, is that 86 seems rather disappointed with his contract but doesn't realize how DJ is part of the reason why he isn't getting more money.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
Went through an entire offseason after seeing the performance after the contract, another neck injury and an acl tear for good measure, and decided that doing this again (this time with Drew Lock as backup instead of Taylor) is a good plan.
Went through an entire offseason after seeing the performance after the contract, another neck injury and an acl tear for good measure, and decided that doing this again (this time with Drew Lock as backup instead of Taylor) is a good plan.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Tyrod Taylor has a worse injury history than Jones.
"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Yep. And to add to that, there are hundreds of guys who are about to get cut who work their tail off. Many of them will not earn any significant money in the NFL and will have to get real jobs. Nobody really cares about them. There will be no spirited online defense for them. Many of these guys will work harder at football than any of us will work at anything in our lives. And they will just disappear from the game.
I'm sure guys like that have their own perspective on a guy like Jones, set on $$ for generations, being constantly praised and rewarded for "being a hard worker".
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
Eli also had his fair share of head scratching plays (throwing a left handed interception against Titans, the slide fumble against the Eagles, The throw away that gave Dallas time to come back on Monday night, etc). People pissed on him then. I loved the guy and named my dog after him.
Great to see those who had a tough path for whatever the reason and find a way to reach a good spot. When you face other tough spots you are better prepared to deal with them. Pulling for him and I hope the variables around significantly improve to give him the best chance.
They did player vote in 2017 and they voted Eli to be "most overrated".
Andrew Luck came in 2nd which is really odd because he was still great, and young, to boot. Some NFL players are fucking weird. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/253203/qb-confidential-tom-brady-talks-trash-eli-manning-overrated-joe-flacco-living-off-super-bowl-win - ( New Window )
Some people are just haters and jealous. Athletes are no different.
Is the key part to me. If the Giants show an ability to run the ball effectively - which they have not done in a long time - that creates opportunities in the passing game.
Bingo - I think a lot of people are commenting based on pre-determined Daniel Jones opinions, without actually reading the story. Slayton simply made a basic point that the Jets were taking away the deep ball, so ripping him for only throwing underneath was missing the mark
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
Jones has played 60. Jones shouldn’t be making the mistakes he’s getting criticized for in year 6 as consistently as he does.
The pick 6 play is something he’s done done multiple times, including the Tampa game a couple years ago. Acting like Jones is getting criticized for one bad play and not a culmination of bad play over 5 years is disingenuous.
When you’ve played 60 games in the NFL a couple of good plays don’t overshadow rookie mistakes.
RE: RE: Can anyone name Daniel Jones last good start?
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
RE: RE: RE: Can anyone name Daniel Jones last good start?
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
Which media? I was watching NFLN last night. And they focused on Richardson's P6 and how he still struggles with accuracy.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I just recently explained to my 16 yr old son the origin of "jumped the shark".
I asked him - you ever hear of the show "Happy Days". No
So, you've probably never heard of the character "Fonzi". Right.
Then within a day or so, my son was watching "Waterboy" and I pointed at Henry Winkler and said - that's Fonzi!
I know, cool story bro.
I agree about the disdain. We'll find out on Sept 8 if the Jones who took us to a playoff W in '22 can take another step forward with a decent line and the best WR corps (by far) he's ever had. I know a majority of BBIers think not, but we'll see.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It once took Giants fans flying a banner over the Stadium
I bet the number of posters who would vote "highly likely" to a poll question of "Likelihood Daniel Jones stays healthy and helps the Giants compete for a championship in 2024" -- is fewer than 10.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
RE: RE: RE: Can anyone name Daniel Jones last good start?
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
A lot of people are assuming Jones is on some upward trajectory. Recent evidence, which I’m not saying is conclusive,points to a decline in his play. He hasn’t played a solid entire game since the wild card win.
Maybe the 2024 edition is awful? Well, an abysmal first quarter in a low pressure preseason game isn’t reassuring.
In sum, he’s playing notably worse than say in early 2022 or even early in 2021. No sign of an upward trajectory.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Great post and I like your reasoning and intelligence.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
You have been one of the most vocal proponents for DeVito starting over Jones. So, respectfully, put a sock in it.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
There is definitely a circle-jerk going on, but it's not where you think it is.
Gives up a sack on a big third down in a couple of weeks, is he going to be immune from criticism? Are there going to be posters saying “stop criticizing Neal so much?”
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Jones is welcome to start padding his stats similarly any time.
As everyone has said, he has no more excuses. He has Nabers. He has Hyatt, he has Slayton. He has an improved o-line and young, athletic RB's. Daboll has learned from his coaching mistakes. Excuses are done for everyone.
We need to take other teams comments with a grain of salt and just trust our own eyes. To date, Jones hasn't played well consistently enough to merit any leeway in situations like this, he's going to get criticized until he plays better consistently.
So 1 of 2 scenarios will happen:
1 - He plays well this year, Sauce and many others counting him out are proven wrong, we have a QB and can continue building the rest of our team
2 - He doesn't play well, people like Sauce are proven correct, we replace him next year
There's no in between here. The media and other players aren't going to get together and say "lets take it easy on Daniel". He needs to shut them up with his play, no other way around it. As fans, we need to understand this and not get excited when someone runs their mouth.
That the conversation will improve once the games start. It's been a long year of the same things being said around and around. It's gonna be refreshing having new observations to respond to. The question is, if it doesn't jive with positions people have already dug themselves into, what then, more spin? Most likely.
makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
Yes, like me.
That's like stating that someone is intolerant because they speak out against racism.
Jones has not played yet in 2024, so can we let one or two games "play out?"
Also, I like it hot, if you don't like Phoenix...move.
And for all of those BBIers who opened a thread entitled "Darius Slayton Fires Back at Jets and Jones Critics" and were shocked and offended to read criticism of Daniel Jones, I've started this thread to kick Dave Gettleman.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Don't get what there is to debate at this point? He hasn't played a meaningful snap in 10 months and the Giants made their decision to have him ne their starter. This is just venting and bitching at this point and has spammed the hell out of the site.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
Yes, like me.
That's like stating that someone is intolerant because they speak out against racism.
Jones has not played yet in 2024, so can we let one or two games "play out?"
Also, I like it hot, if you don't like Phoenix...move.
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Being consistently productive over a full season and then multiple seasons would help. So far in 5 years he's yet to come even close to that.
Stop expecting people to throw a parade when Jones poops on the potty once.
came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
Behind the Giants O line? Throwing to the Giants receivers? We saw the kind of stats Mahomes put up in the one game in his career with a bad O line. Zero TDs, 2 INTs, 26 for 49 for 270 yards (5.5 per attempt). 52.3 rating. And that's WITH Kelce and Hill!
Gives up a sack on a big third down in a couple of weeks, is he going to be immune from criticism? Are there going to be posters saying “stop criticizing Neal so much?”
If that's the only negative play of the day? No. Every tackle gives up sacks.
came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
Behind the Giants O line? Throwing to the Giants receivers? We saw the kind of stats Mahomes put up in the one game in his career with a bad O line. Zero TDs, 2 INTs, 26 for 49 for 270 yards (5.5 per attempt). 52.3 rating. And that's WITH Kelce and Hill!
Here's the flaw in your argument: you only issue one-way excuses.
Where's the grace extended to the Giants' OL and WRs for having to deal with the Giants' QBs? Right.
Also, that doesn't prove that DJ would be good BUT FOR the extenuating circumstances. It simply describes the situation, that's it. If we put you behind the Giants' OL with the Giants' WRs, you'd suck at QB also. But I bet we could put you behind the 1993 Cowboys OL, give you peak Randy Moss and Jerry Rice at WR, and you'd still suck at QB. There's no guarantee that the same isn't the case with DJ.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
Behind the Giants O line? Throwing to the Giants receivers? We saw the kind of stats Mahomes put up in the one game in his career with a bad O line. Zero TDs, 2 INTs, 26 for 49 for 270 yards (5.5 per attempt). 52.3 rating. And that's WITH Kelce and Hill!
How do you only have a “bad OL” for 1 game?
Or maybe you should look at like Mahomes made the Super Bowl with a bad OL.
And what’s Jones excuse for his 3 college seasons because he didn’t do it then either
Is to pay Danjel Jones at least $40 M and guarantee is starting QB spot until we are absolutely 100% sure that he can't be an OK starting QB in the NFL.
To put a man in jail for life, the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt."
To replace the Giants starting QB, the standard is higher, "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Yep. 100% truth...
My other favorite is, "well, he ALMOST threw 2 INT's..."
Yeah if my aunt had balls, he'd be my uncle....
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And seven TDs running for his life doesn’t count.
Cause, they were not passing TDs, and he is only a 64+% passer for his career running for his life with less time to throw than any qb in football.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Yep. 100% truth...
My other favorite is, "well, he ALMOST threw 2 INT's..."
Yeah if my aunt had balls, he'd be my uncle....
Is that any different than the fans who point out what DJ's stats would be if his ALMOST completions had found their target?
This attempt to act like the DJ enthusiasts have a high road to take here is comical.
And seven TDs running for his life doesn’t count.
Cause, they were not passing TDs, and he is only a 64+% passer for his career running for his life with less time to throw than any qb in football.
Let me see if I can put this all in nice short words for you:
Even when we count those numbers, his overall statline was still mediocre.
I think BBI's focus on Jones is a direct reflection of how the game has developed to focus on QB.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
I mean you can still get hit as a QB. Jones is proof of that. Its not like the Giants are enjoying the luxury of a lot of personal fouls for roughing calls on jones.
But i agree with your post.
All this praise of Jones when he uses the doggie pad to pee like a good boy can be sickening. Guy was drafted sixth overall and some people want a pizza party every time he strings together two good games, which isnt often.
And seven TDs running for his life doesn’t count.
Cause, they were not passing TDs, and he is only a 64+% passer for his career running for his life with less time to throw than any qb in football.
Let me see if I can put this all in nice short words for you:
Even when we count those numbers, his overall statline was still mediocre.
For context, in 15 games in 2022, Justin Fields threw 17 TDs and ran for 8.
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
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Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
If tom Brady averaged 6.6 yards per attempt it would be the second lowest mark of his 20 year career as a full time starter.
And this is *also* to mention that his career spans eras in the NFL where passing was not so prolific.
Desmond Ridder, a first-year starter, averaged 7.3
Tyrod Taylor, who everyone swears stinks, averaged 7.4 behind a line everyone agreed could not block and if they didn't upgrade it, would be a fireable offense.
Geno Smith, 7.3
Trevor Lawrence, 7.1
Kirk Cousins, 7.5
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
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In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
So obviously I didn’t say they would be invalidated. They would have less meaning in the eyes of fans because we would be optimistic about the future instead of complaining about the past. Unless all they’d want to do is complain about the past. A sentiment you’re familiar with.
Can't we all just agree that starting 2-0 & Jones looking good vs. both the Vikes & WFT is the ideal outcome?
For the team? Sure.
And also even at his worst Jones looks incredible against washington, so it shouldn't be used as proof of concept. You take wins where you can get them though.
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Say we win the games like 17-16 and 20-17. Jones has 2 TDs, 1 pick, throws for his regular 7,200 inches per game, mostly on easy throws that travel 175-200 inches in the air.
It's fine. It's Jones being Jones. Does it help the franchise achieve anything? I guess we have to just "let the season play out" so to speak.
Yes, for the team, fan base, & Jones. As I posted earlier, Jones is the QB right now. A lot of us-myself included-aren't jazzed about that, but it is what it is.
Hopefully with a better OL & weapons, he morphs into something he's never been.
In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
So obviously I didn’t say they would be invalidated. They would have less meaning in the eyes of fans because we would be optimistic about the future instead of complaining about the past. Unless all they’d want to do is complain about the past. A sentiment you’re familiar with.
Seems like you’re arguing semantics.
But again not sure how my question is dumb. Say they start 2-0 and are mediocre the rest of the way, do the previous 60 games mean less?
In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
So obviously I didn’t say they would be invalidated. They would have less meaning in the eyes of fans because we would be optimistic about the future instead of complaining about the past. Unless all they’d want to do is complain about the past. A sentiment you’re familiar with.
Seems like you’re arguing semantics.
But again not sure how my question is dumb. Say they start 2-0 and are mediocre the rest of the way, do the previous 60 games mean less?
Yes they mean less. Actually, they don’t mean anything at all.
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Say we win the games like 17-16 and 20-17. Jones has 2 TDs, 1 pick, throws for his regular 7,200 inches per game, mostly on easy throws that travel 175-200 inches in the air.
That was a very good laugh. Well done.
BTW, I'm hoping Hyatt can have a breakout year with 60 grabs, 9,600 total inches/160 inches per catch.
I'd like to see Gano breaks his record for longest FG at 756 inches.
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Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Hey it’s another sucker of cocks.
So you believe in the stat but only in the unit of measurement of your choice? Yes it’s a metric stat geeks use. If you believe that throwing passes on average of around 2 feet shorter leads to falsely inflated completion rates, well I guess that’s your right. I think a difference that small means nothing. Especially when it results from a myriad of factors beyond the actual human being throwing the football.
Jones hasn’t had a good game in any form since (at best) Sept 17 2023 vs Cards and that was one half.
His last full game of good football was the Minnesota playoff game in January of 2023.
He hasn’t won 2 starts in a row since the Colts and Vikings In January of 2023
He has only started 2-0 in just 2 out of his 5 seasons and the other 3 times started 1-5.
How about we let Jones actually win a football game. Any football game first before we start talking about two wins.
What am I saying…how about we let Daniel Jones throw an actual TD pass in a football game first. Any football game. Preseason or regular season . He hasn’t thrown a TD pass in any game since Sept 17, 2003 despite 4 regular season starts and one preseason start.
Actually let me take that back, he has thrown TD passes since then. Two of them actually. Unfortunately they were to the other team.
So let’s Daniel Jones throw a TD pass to a member of his own team first. A task he hasn’t accomplished in over a year, since Sept 17, 2023 during 5 starts (4 regular season and 1 preseason) or in 8 halves of football or in 13.5 quarters of football.
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Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Hey it’s another sucker of cocks.
So you believe in the stat but only in the unit of measurement of your choice? Yes it’s a metric stat geeks use. If you believe that throwing passes on average of around 2 feet shorter leads to falsely inflated completion rates, well I guess that’s your right. I think a difference that small means nothing. Especially when it results from a myriad of factors beyond the actual human being throwing the football.
Converting yards to inches was a very cool parlor trick that totally enlightened and owned everyone, your elementary school teachers would surely be very proud.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Yup and his 750 yds rushing
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Hey it’s another sucker of cocks.
So you believe in the stat but only in the unit of measurement of your choice? Yes it’s a metric stat geeks use. If you believe that throwing passes on average of around 2 feet shorter leads to falsely inflated completion rates, well I guess that’s your right. I think a difference that small means nothing. Especially when it results from a myriad of factors beyond the actual human being throwing the football.
Btw I've never sucked any cocks, probably because I didn't know you or your father when I was a child.
For the record, you came at me. I simply responded to a post that I felt was dishonest. You and several others must’ve received your “somebody posted something in defense of Jones” alert and came running in….I guess you, Jerry, and Cowboy fan in DC are on duty tonight?
Btw, your breath reeks of cock, so you may not suck em, but I bet you’ll taste one from time to time.
The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
This is using a big word to sound smart. It is not 'intellectually dishonest'. What is intellectually dishonest is pretending the difference in his career YPA and Tom Brady's career YPA isn't very large.
As if you also don't have three years of Brian Daboll publicly calling for Daniel Jones to be more aggressive as a passer, or an entire 2024 preseason of 'throw the damn ball' downfield passing. Use your intellect and crack the code on why that is.
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The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
This is using a big word to sound smart. It is not 'intellectually dishonest'. What is intellectually dishonest is pretending the difference in his career YPA and Tom Brady's career YPA isn't very large.
As if you also don't have three years of Brian Daboll publicly calling for Daniel Jones to be more aggressive as a passer, or an entire 2024 preseason of 'throw the damn ball' downfield passing. Use your intellect and crack the code on why that is.
I stand by my comment. You said Jones is a career 6 ypa. It’s 6.6. Not a big difference? It’s about the same difference between Jones and Brady, which you just said is a big difference. So you use your intellect and tell me, were you being dishonest before or now?
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
Who said I talk to the players and they want Devito or Lock to play. Don't put that on me. I've never talked to any current Giants player.
I get 2nd hand info once in a long while that's from an impeccable source inside the organization. He's always 100% because he's involved in the process.
I don't know why they signed him to that contract. Don't know if that was because of Mara. I would never ask that. I do know that people inside the organization are down on him big time. The guys own word were "we are not picking JJ McCarthy because why would we want another Daniel Jones." Do the players believe in him? From what was I was told, everyone likes Daniel but no they don't think he's he's the guy
Beyond that, Nabers looks to have the ability to force defenses into the coverages Daboll wants. That’s why he’s moving Nabers all around and they’re targeting him relentlessly. Jones and Nabers are going to have to earn it, no doubt. But once they show the ability to consistently execute, defenses will be forced to show their hand more often in an effort to take Nabers away.
This will help Jones with pre and post snap reads which is the key to “processing.” That’s when a QB can get through the progressions faster. That’s when WDR, Slayton, Hyatt start to make plays in 1 on 1s.
They have to earn it though and there’ll be mistakes early on. Hopefully they can manufacture some things with the run, screen, and pick/rub games until they start clicking.
Being a Giants fan. Jones played liked shit against the Texans. The media and social media can’t stop ridiculing Daniel Jones and the entire team. Then the secondary get annihilated by the Rodgers and Jets in basically the last training camp practice. I’m at the point where I feel like I have no excitement for the season. There’s really nothing to look forward to besides Nabers and a couple of the young players on the team.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
If that is the case, then why does Jones have the same YPA in college? His 3 years starting were 6.6, 5.9 and 6.8 for a 6.4 career college average?
College is usually higher than the NFL. For example, McCarthy who people say just handed off and wasnt asked to do much had 9.2, 8.3 and 9.2 in college for a 8.7 ypa.
Jayden Daniels was 11.7 ypa last year
Kyler Murray the same draft year was 11.6 ypa and Drew Lock same draft year was 8.0 in their Senior year
Being a Giants fan. Jones played liked shit against the Texans. The media and social media can’t stop ridiculing Daniel Jones and the entire team. Then the secondary get annihilated by the Rodgers and Jets in basically the last training camp practice. I’m at the point where I feel like I have no excitement for the season. There’s really nothing to look forward to besides Nabers and a couple of the young players on the team.
Time to grow a nut sack.
It's a preseason dude. You can't tell anything either way. Let it play out, maybe the team will surprise you?
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
Are similar players either but those are his EXACT words.
Thats scary from a scouting/evaluation standpoint. They are the complete opposite of player, personality and mentality . McCarthy is pre-snap read, quick decision and risk taker QB who has played the highest level of football and won at HS & College with a very intense personality. The critics say he has just been surrounded by great talents and thats why he succeeds. His top end skills are all mental and personality. The dreamers of his talent have compd him to an early career Brady.
Jones is a one-read QB with excellent running skills who is known for checking down with a low key personality and has played at lower levels of football in HS & Duke. The defenders say he has just been surrounded by terrible talent everywhere and thats why he hasnt had great success or stats. His top end skill is all physical (running). The dreamers of his talent have compd him to Josh Allen.
Maybe McCarthy wont make it in the NFL or maybe injuries will take him downor maybe he was just surrounded by great talent but he certainly is a very different player and mentality than Jones.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
If that is the case, then why does Jones have the same YPA in college? His 3 years starting were 6.6, 5.9 and 6.8 for a 6.4 career college average?
College is usually higher than the NFL. For example, McCarthy who people say just handed off and wasnt asked to do much had 9.2, 8.3 and 9.2 in college for a 8.7 ypa.
Jayden Daniels was 11.7 ypa last year
Kyler Murray the same draft year was 11.6 ypa and Drew Lock same draft year was 8.0 in their Senior year
Cool story. Still think it’s a shit stat to hang completely on the human throwing the ball. Too many other factors at play.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
Who said I talk to the players and they want Devito or Lock to play. Don't put that on me. I've never talked to any current Giants player.
I get 2nd hand info once in a long while that's from an impeccable source inside the organization. He's always 100% because he's involved in the process.
I don't know why they signed him to that contract. Don't know if that was because of Mara. I would never ask that. I do know that people inside the organization are down on him big time. The guys own word were "we are not picking JJ McCarthy because why would we want another Daniel Jones." Do the players believe in him? From what was I was told, everyone likes Daniel but no they don't think he's he's the guy
Sorry, wasn't trying to conflate you with AJR who said he talked to players at camp.
You just said "his teammates know it too" in response to someone saying the whole league knows he's bad in the deleted Sauce thread
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
Are you able to post anything other than your thoughts about guys sucking other guys’ cocks? It seems a little weird for a football forum. Did you log on to the wrong forum by mistake?
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Are you able to post anything other than your thoughts about guys sucking other guys’ cocks? It seems a little weird for a football forum. Did you log on to the wrong forum by mistake?
Good morning Mike. So you drew morning duty huh? Does “The Mike” take over for you at some point later today?
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
Who said I talk to the players and they want Devito or Lock to play. Don't put that on me. I've never talked to any current Giants player.
I get 2nd hand info once in a long while that's from an impeccable source inside the organization. He's always 100% because he's involved in the process.
I don't know why they signed him to that contract. Don't know if that was because of Mara. I would never ask that. I do know that people inside the organization are down on him big time. The guys own word were "we are not picking JJ McCarthy because why would we want another Daniel Jones." Do the players believe in him? From what was I was told, everyone likes Daniel but no they don't think he's he's the guy
Sorry, wasn't trying to conflate you with AJR who said he talked to players at camp.
You just said "his teammates know it too" in response to someone saying the whole league knows he's bad in the deleted Sauce thread
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
Holy shit you might be one of the stupidest human beings alive. Pass attempts do not include sacks you fucking moron.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
it’s apples to used cars. I don’t know about all this supposed disdain for Manning. Manning got it done and has the rings to prove it. He was an OC on the field who could adjust on the fly. Until the team got bad, he had a rep for one of the most dangerous qb’s in the League with the ball in his hands and the game on the line. Jones on the other hand, sucks and other teams know it.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
A sack necessarily precludes a pass attempt (because it can't be a sack if the QB gets the ball out). A pass attempt necessarily precludes a sack (because the ball gets out).
This is only complicated for your room temperature IQ. Everyone besides you understands this. You're just wrong, and too stubborn to learn, unfortunately.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
Google AI is wrong, and you're a fucking idiot.
So it was hallucinating. Next time I’ll fact check AI, wait no I won’t.
Doesn’t change my position regarding it being a shit stat to hang completely on the QB.
I bet you can barely contain yourself right now, considering you’re a miserable old fuck who lives to jump on people. You’re that asshole measuring the height of people’s grass and if their shed is the exact same shade of white, aren’t you?
I’m glad AI misleading me has allowed you to experience some joy today, you leathery cunt.
This is incredible- first making the case for Daniel being a near HOF'er on the back of powerhouse multiplication skills, then a cock-fueled meltdown, now an inability to calculate one of the most simple statistics in sports.
Over the many many years we have heard thousands of times how Daniel has been failed by the people closest to him - OL, WRs, TEs, coaches, defense, weather, media. They've all been letting him down for years.
Now we are discovering that yet another challenge for Daniel is that he needs smarter fans. Imagine the pressure and insecurity Daniel feels knowing that his biggest advocates can't do simple division. Knowing that if there is any adversity, they might just start screaming about cocks. The burden that Daniel carries is a heavy one, on and off the field.
Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
.
Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
Google AI is wrong, and you're a fucking idiot.
So it was hallucinating. Next time I’ll fact check AI, wait no I won’t.
Doesn’t change my position regarding it being a shit stat to hang completely on the QB.
I bet you can barely contain yourself right now, considering you’re a miserable old fuck who lives to jump on people. You’re that asshole measuring the height of people’s grass and if their shed is the exact same shade of white, aren’t you?
I’m glad AI misleading me has allowed you to experience some joy today, you leathery cunt.
"My position was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of a basic stat, but that doesn't change my positions." Ok lol.
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You made a post about Yards Per Attempt without knowing what an "attempt" is. Which proves you don't know what you're talking about.
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
I think BBI's focus on Jones is a direct reflection of how the game has developed to focus on QB.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
And yet the only season when jones had a decent oline he did play pretty well. Qbs can’t get hit ? News to me. Jones got the shit kicked out of him last season. That doesn’t mean any critiques of jones are off limits. He’s failed time and time again to lift the team when the shit hits the fan but you can make any qb look bad when you knock the crap out of him 10-15 times a game. Even Tom Brady.
On another note, comparing Neal at RT or any OL to the play of a QB is just fucking ridiculous. It ain’t the same thing. Not by a long shot. Linemen play in a vacuum. Qbs don’t. Bad OL can be insulated a little bit by their mates but if you’re bad you’re not getting any better no matter who’s next to you. If you’re good you’re going to look good no matter what. Put a good qb on the 1980 saints and take a guess what happens to that qb. And you don’t have to guess, go look at how Archie manning is remembered.
Jones isn’t a difference maker and probably won’t ever be a difference maker, but qbs need more help than any other position in pro sports maybe other than NHL goalie. While they will always be the most important player, they still need functionality around them. That’s just a stone cold fact. There’s a reason the greatest football scouting minds of all time have been humbled by the QB time and time again. George young drafts simms and hostettler then drafts Dave brown. Teams get the qb wrong so frequently isn’t at all possible the qb isn’t always the reason why? Or no? I guess not. I know most won’t buy it. Try.
I think BBI's focus on Jones is a direct reflection of how the game has developed to focus on QB.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
And yet the only season when jones had a decent oline he did play pretty well. Qbs can’t get hit ? News to me. Jones got the shit kicked out of him last season. That doesn’t mean any critiques of jones are off limits. He’s failed time and time again to lift the team when the shit hits the fan but you can make any qb look bad when you knock the crap out of him 10-15 times a game. Even Tom Brady.
On another note, comparing Neal at RT or any OL to the play of a QB is just fucking ridiculous. It ain’t the same thing. Not by a long shot. Linemen play in a vacuum. Qbs don’t. Bad OL can be insulated a little bit by their mates but if you’re bad you’re not getting any better no matter who’s next to you. If you’re good you’re going to look good no matter what. Put a good qb on the 1980 saints and take a guess what happens to that qb. And you don’t have to guess, go look at how Archie manning is remembered.
Jones isn’t a difference maker and probably won’t ever be a difference maker, but qbs need more help than any other position in pro sports maybe other than NHL goalie. While they will always be the most important player, they still need functionality around them. That’s just a stone cold fact. There’s a reason the greatest football scouting minds of all time have been humbled by the QB time and time again. George young drafts simms and hostettler then drafts Dave brown. Teams get the qb wrong so frequently isn’t at all possible the qb isn’t always the reason why? Or no? I guess not. I know most won’t buy it. Try.
If the greatest football minds can be humbled by the QB decision, why do we think a QB drafted by one of the worst may have got it right (+6 years to boot)
RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You made a post about Yards Per Attempt without knowing what an "attempt" is. Which proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Once again out of context. Read what was posted.
RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
Just take your L and shut up.
I don’t have a problem taking an L when it’s warranted. This thread and from you boobs? Nope.
I think BBI's focus on Jones is a direct reflection of how the game has developed to focus on QB.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
And yet the only season when jones had a decent oline he did play pretty well. Qbs can’t get hit ? News to me. Jones got the shit kicked out of him last season. That doesn’t mean any critiques of jones are off limits. He’s failed time and time again to lift the team when the shit hits the fan but you can make any qb look bad when you knock the crap out of him 10-15 times a game. Even Tom Brady.
On another note, comparing Neal at RT or any OL to the play of a QB is just fucking ridiculous. It ain’t the same thing. Not by a long shot. Linemen play in a vacuum. Qbs don’t. Bad OL can be insulated a little bit by their mates but if you’re bad you’re not getting any better no matter who’s next to you. If you’re good you’re going to look good no matter what. Put a good qb on the 1980 saints and take a guess what happens to that qb. And you don’t have to guess, go look at how Archie manning is remembered.
Jones isn’t a difference maker and probably won’t ever be a difference maker, but qbs need more help than any other position in pro sports maybe other than NHL goalie. While they will always be the most important player, they still need functionality around them. That’s just a stone cold fact. There’s a reason the greatest football scouting minds of all time have been humbled by the QB time and time again. George young drafts simms and hostettler then drafts Dave brown. Teams get the qb wrong so frequently isn’t at all possible the qb isn’t always the reason why? Or no? I guess not. I know most won’t buy it. Try.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
The last part is lost on me. People discuss the giants on the message board that doesn't affect outcomes. Newsflash! lol. Not sure I see your angle. As long as you're above the age of 6 I think we understand that an internet board isn't going to move the needle or change things. Not trying to be smug but...is this your first day on the internet? Ever listen to sports radio? Read any opinion based medium? etc.
Dan Snyder was one of the worst owners in the last century and got quite a nice return on his sale in washington, you don't have to point out that billionaire owners don't care. we know! The Giants could have the stadium half full and Mara would STILL come out ahead. Just not as much as he'd like.
RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
The last part is lost on me. People discuss the giants on the message board that doesn't affect outcomes. Newsflash! lol. Not sure I see your angle. As long as you're above the age of 6 I think we understand that an internet board isn't going to move the needle or change things. Not trying to be smug but...is this your first day on the internet? Ever listen to sports radio? Read any opinion based medium? etc.
Dan Snyder was one of the worst owners in the last century and got quite a nice return on his sale in washington, you don't have to point out that billionaire owners don't care. we know! The Giants could have the stadium half full and Mara would STILL come out ahead. Just not as much as he'd like.
It was a reply to people trying to move the needle on the quarterback situation. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, but when you keep expressing the same opinion over and over again it gets kind of old. Everyone already has their heels dug into this topic and there is really no new data.
RE: RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
+50
Or as they said in ancient Rome, +L
RE: RE: RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
Sorry Mike but you’re wrong. I never thought it included sacks until after a AI query introduced that. My failure was in not fact checking and believing something I had just read.
I know you and others live for the validation so have at it. Feel big and proud of your accomplishment here. You even got + comment from your cliques eldest dickhead. Big things are happening for you!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Surprised so many of you are on duty today
But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
Sorry Mike but you’re wrong. I never thought it included sacks until after a AI query introduced that. My failure was in not fact checking and believing something I had just read.
I know you and others live for the validation so have at it. Feel big and proud of your accomplishment here. You even got + comment from your cliques eldest dickhead. Big things are happening for you!
You and I are probably around the same age, give or take a couple of years. You're just a moron. Besides, age isn't an insult. There is literally nothing about you to envy.
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
This is the exact problem with Daniel Jones, because all this - in the end - has resulted in an endless commitment to a QB that has had only one season of above-average play.
At least we'll finally put an an end (either way) to the question of whether the supporting cast was the problem this season.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
I am not supporting DJ or any player here, I am just saying thread after thread about how a player sucks based on a Wednesday practice is nuts. Wait until the season starts.
Like John said in the podcast with Sy, it's not just a couple of plays in a preseason game (or practice) it's the fact that the same problems are showing up in preseason/practice that have been prevalent for years
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go elsewhere as a backup and have like a late career surge if he finds himself on a team that is mostly built to win (think Rich Gannon).
Lol, I see what you did there
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
By all accounts, DJ played well in that practice and his numbers that day would look really damn good if Theo and Nabers make their catches. Against the Jets starters, mind you.
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
What's made me dislike DJ more than his play on the field is the fans who have mocked others who don't believe he's very good despite the evidence to the contrary. See the post directly above yours az an example
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
Clearly included Slayton...
Are the Vikings going to be bad tho?
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
In a now deleted thread Woodstock, who I'm not sure if we ever determined was or was not an asshat, said the other 52 guys also know he's not a good QB.
No one forces Slayton or Waller to go on these shows and defend Danny. Slayton knows it is beyond comical how much shit the guy gets. Is he a top QB? Not at all and [likely] won't ever be, but by the disdain he gets, you figure he would be raping women and pillaging villages. Justin Fields has been worse than DJ and gets nothing. Then again, he has his own little fanbase on BBI for God knows why.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
"You just believe he's capable of that, because you see the big arm, basically that he's big, he's tall, he has a rocket of an arm. You assume his processing is good. You assume he's smart and all these things. You don't actually know, though."
The guy with a nearly 3-1 TD:INT ratio, has thrown for 5000 and 38 TDs and has won ROY has a much better case to be included in the top 5 than Jones does to be in the top 15.
Slayton sounds like a BBI poster
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
Why in the world would anyone think players would talk 'off the record' to a fan. What an utterly ridiculous comment. Off the record with fans? Come on.
But if by some insane move three players agreed to saying something 'off the record,' with a fan, off the record means you don't disclose it, not that you report it without saying who said it.
Now, I'm not saying there aren't players who would like to see someone else at QB. But when I read that post, after laughing, I said, okay, it's Lock, DeVito and some backup CB who Nabers and Jones embarrassed.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Besides, this is the JETS and the dumpster fire this org has been and will always be.
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
If DJ sucked (and he may), you’d expect the other professionals who’s careers depend on him playing well to start leaking or evenly openly challenging the decisions to keep and play DJ.
But that doesn’t happen. It seems like every single one of his teammates love and respect him.
The irony, with Slayton at least, is that 86 seems rather disappointed with his contract but doesn't realize how DJ is part of the reason why he isn't getting more money.
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
You go back and watch the practice videos, you don't see that at all.
And now we get even more color - the Jets dropped into umbrella coverage and DJ checks down, and the mouth-breathers scream dink n dunk.
Throw it DEEP! EXPLOSIVE PLAYZ!!!!!
If I could physically remove the Z key from your keyboard and replace it with an actual sense of humor, I would move heaven and earth to do so.
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Unfuckingbelievable.
Tyrod Taylor has a worse injury history than Jones.
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"It's become acceptable currency to bash DJ over literally anything to the point it's become almost personal; almost hateful."
I don't mind people despising DJ's game. I think they are wrong but they have plenty of evidence. But the criticism often seems malicious for a guy who, by all accounts, works his tail off to be a good QB.
It may sound personal because this gets thrown in our faces every time a legitimate performance-based criticism is launched at Jones.
I don't care that he works his tail off. That's a bar that virtually every player in the NFL clears. Even the guys who make it look easy work insanely hard, with very few exceptions.
Patrick Mahomes works hard. Josh Allen works hard. Daniel Jones "working his tail off" is not an accomplishment worthy of praise. It's a prerequisite for the career path he's chosen, for which he has been handsomely compensated.
Yep. And to add to that, there are hundreds of guys who are about to get cut who work their tail off. Many of them will not earn any significant money in the NFL and will have to get real jobs. Nobody really cares about them. There will be no spirited online defense for them. Many of these guys will work harder at football than any of us will work at anything in our lives. And they will just disappear from the game.
I'm sure guys like that have their own perspective on a guy like Jones, set on $$ for generations, being constantly praised and rewarded for "being a hard worker".
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
Eli also had his fair share of head scratching plays (throwing a left handed interception against Titans, the slide fumble against the Eagles, The throw away that gave Dallas time to come back on Monday night, etc). People pissed on him then. I loved the guy and named my dog after him.
Andrew Luck came in 2nd which is really odd because he was still great, and young, to boot. Some NFL players are fucking weird.
https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/253203/qb-confidential-tom-brady-talks-trash-eli-manning-overrated-joe-flacco-living-off-super-bowl-win - ( New Window )
Andrew Luck came in 2nd which is really odd because he was still great, and young, to boot. Some NFL players are fucking weird. https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/253203/qb-confidential-tom-brady-talks-trash-eli-manning-overrated-joe-flacco-living-off-super-bowl-win - ( New Window )
Some people are just haters and jealous. Athletes are no different.
When a below-average player at his position is given a $40M/year contract, other talented players who make far less money, are going to be critical.
Bingo - I think a lot of people are commenting based on pre-determined Daniel Jones opinions, without actually reading the story. Slayton simply made a basic point that the Jets were taking away the deep ball, so ripping him for only throwing underneath was missing the mark
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I bet if Richardson is still bloody awful going into his sixth year instead of his second, the disdain will jump the shark for him too.
That's how it works.
It’s funny, we hear that Jones is recovering from a brutal injury and hasn’t played football in x amount of days, when Richardson hasn’t played in longer.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
The pick 6 play is something he’s done done multiple times, including the Tampa game a couple years ago. Acting like Jones is getting criticized for one bad play and not a culmination of bad play over 5 years is disingenuous.
When you’ve played 60 games in the NFL a couple of good plays don’t overshadow rookie mistakes.
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Preseason, regular season or post-season?
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
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Preseason, regular season or post-season?
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
Now lets try how many bad starts Jones has had since this September 17, 2023 start vs the Cardinals?
He has had 4 starts in regular season and 1 preseason game?
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
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Preseason, regular season or post-season?
Maybe thats why he has so many detractors?
The second half Miracle in the Desert last year in Glendale..?
Who saw that coming after his miserable first half.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
Who is curious? I'll bet everyone on this site knows why there is doubt.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
His point wasn't that Richardson made a good or bad play, he was commenting on the media and fan response to his play. They focused on Richardson's one good play, while the focus is always on any Jones' bad.
Which media? I was watching NFLN last night. And they focused on Richardson's P6 and how he still struggles with accuracy.
One day I hope he gets to play with a good quarterback. He can't do it ALONZE.
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
I just recently explained to my 16 yr old son the origin of "jumped the shark".
I asked him - you ever hear of the show "Happy Days". No
So, you've probably never heard of the character "Fonzi". Right.
Then within a day or so, my son was watching "Waterboy" and I pointed at Henry Winkler and said - that's Fonzi!
I know, cool story bro.
I agree about the disdain. We'll find out on Sept 8 if the Jones who took us to a playoff W in '22 can take another step forward with a decent line and the best WR corps (by far) he's ever had. I know a majority of BBIers think not, but we'll see.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
Couldn’t have said it better.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It once took Giants fans flying a banner over the Stadium
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Ok. Great. Lets go with that - despite getting shut out vs the Arizona Cardinals in the 1st half.
Daniel Jones hasnt had a good start in any game since September 17, 2023.
Despite starting 4 regular season games (2 in prime time) and 1 preseason game.
And we are curious why there is alot of doubt about him?
A lot of people are assuming Jones is on some upward trajectory. Recent evidence, which I’m not saying is conclusive,points to a decline in his play. He hasn’t played a solid entire game since the wild card win.
Maybe the 2024 edition is awful? Well, an abysmal first quarter in a low pressure preseason game isn’t reassuring.
In sum, he’s playing notably worse than say in early 2022 or even early in 2021. No sign of an upward trajectory.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Great post and I like your reasoning and intelligence.
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
You have been one of the most vocal proponents for DeVito starting over Jones. So, respectfully, put a sock in it.
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1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
The "clownshow" pic worked...
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My turn to vent….
There are a bunch of guys who will get on one thread and comment multiple times saying the same “Jones sux” diatribe and then share the same diatribe on 10 other threads.
So why do these guys think redundancy is what people want here? I think maybe it is because they are trying to find converts to sign up to be a part of the “get rid of Jones” fan club.
For example….how many times have we heard people saying “Schoen should have never given Jones a $40M contract?” Or….
How many times have you read somebody saying, “Jones is slow processing the field” or “Jones can’t see the field fast enough?”
Do these people honestly think we are not aware of either of those being a possibility? Do they really think what they are saying is new info for us to consider?
But, my Dallas Cowboys neighbor tells me it is the same on his Cowboys website…the hate for Dak is very loud. So, I guess it is what it is.
Disclaimer: like my political position, I’m Independent on the Jones’ debate. I always hope for more, but knowing that I might get less. But as long as the Giants trot him out there as our starter, he’s my dog! I will continue to do my best to sift through threads to avoid any Jones talk knowing what will be said.
Once you realize it's the same handful of guys over and over again, it becomes pretty funny. Let them circle-jerk and just leave it alone.
There is definitely a circle-jerk going on, but it's not where you think it is.
In related news, wash your hands.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
there it is...
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Jones is welcome to start padding his stats similarly any time.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Jones is welcome to start padding his stats similarly any time.
So 1 of 2 scenarios will happen:
1 - He plays well this year, Sauce and many others counting him out are proven wrong, we have a QB and can continue building the rest of our team
2 - He doesn't play well, people like Sauce are proven correct, we replace him next year
There's no in between here. The media and other players aren't going to get together and say "lets take it easy on Daniel". He needs to shut them up with his play, no other way around it. As fans, we need to understand this and not get excited when someone runs their mouth.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
That was 5 years ago.
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had great things to say about DJ.
But we have a member of BBI who says he talked to teammates of DJ and they want Lock or Cutlets playing.
IMO very hard to believe that.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
That's like stating that someone is intolerant because they speak out against racism.
Jones has not played yet in 2024, so can we let one or two games "play out?"
Also, I like it hot, if you don't like Phoenix...move.
If Daniel Jones plays good football, we'll all get enjoy both good football and fewer complaints about Daniel Jones.
Some us will be happy with that, and some of us will even get to say I told you so.
This is a win-win scenario.
That's a worthy use of time while you wait for things to play out.
Kick Dave Gettleman - ( New Window )
If someone said the rest of the players are sick of Evan Neal, nobody would bat an eye.
Jones plays the most important position on the team, he’s going to get talked about a lot good or bad. And for a majority of his career he’s been bad.
I wouldn't say that, lol.
We should all hope he plays well this year. Whether we like it or not he gives us the best chance to win this year.
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
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makes him exempt from intense scrutiny and questioning his ability? There are many, many legitimate questions about his abilities, and just as many excuses for him than you can shake a stick at.
The real question right now is what is the next excuse going to be for his next questionable performance.
Jones? Nothing, he deserves the scrunity.
BBI? For the love of Pete, just stop. The "look at me" postings of those that feel the need to constantly repeat the same criticisms is making this board boring.
If the team were really good and everyone just said positive things, would that also be boring?
This is a Giants message board. People are here to talk about the Giants. The Giants have sucked for a decade, so there is going to be a lot of conversation about how they suck.
You want to pretend they're good? Knock yourself out. Not everyone is going to do that.
Who are you talking to?
The team is not good, the QB is not good.
But continuing to say the same things over and over, make a person, not good.
Like you whining about other posters?
The same thing is said over and over because the same things are happening over and over. The Giants keep making the same mistakes, playing lousy football, and losing games.
You're getting angry at a weatherman in Phoenix telling you it's going to be sunny.
Yes, like me.
That's like stating that someone is intolerant because they speak out against racism.
Jones has not played yet in 2024, so can we let one or two games "play out?"
Also, I like it hot, if you don't like Phoenix...move.
60 games have played out.
You really think two more tips the scales?
We should all hope he plays well this year. Whether we like it or not he gives us the best chance to win this year.
I find it disturbing that someone can put that much (120%) effort for so few results.
But maybe that's just it.
This is my OL and I'm going to support them. They're all super nice hard working kids and if you don't like them just stop watching the Giants.
Also, I like it hot, if you don't like Phoenix...move.
You can take your own advice and stop reading critical heads. After all you're the one whining.
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Being consistently productive over a full season and then multiple seasons would help. So far in 5 years he's yet to come even close to that.
Stop expecting people to throw a parade when Jones poops on the potty once.
X.com - ( New Window )
You really think two more tips the scales?
It might, or might not. We're all going to be watching on opening day to see.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
Behind the Giants O line? Throwing to the Giants receivers? We saw the kind of stats Mahomes put up in the one game in his career with a bad O line. Zero TDs, 2 INTs, 26 for 49 for 270 yards (5.5 per attempt). 52.3 rating. And that's WITH Kelce and Hill!
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Yes Jones threw 5 TDs once against Washington 5 YEARS ago
BUT
The post said 7-8 TDs in first two games
So I ask again, has Jones ever thrown 7-8 TDs over two games at any point in his career?
The answer is NO. He threw 1 TD pass in the game before and after the 5 TD game vs Washington
So even throwing 5 TDs in one single game, Jones couldn’t manage 7-8 TDs over any 2 games in 5 seasons
Ive got news for you as well
Daniel Jones never threw 7-8 TDs over any 2 games in college either
That’s 8 combined NCAA/NFL seasons and 96 games and he hasn’t thrown 7-8 TD passes over ANY two games
If that's the only negative play of the day? No. Every tackle gives up sacks.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
Yes Jones threw 5 TDs once against Washington 5 YEARS ago
BUT
The post said 7-8 TDs in first two games
So I ask again, has Jones ever thrown 7-8 TDs over two games at any point in his career?
The answer is NO. He threw 1 TD pass in the game before and after the 5 TD game vs Washington
So even throwing 5 TDs in one single game, Jones couldn’t manage 7-8 TDs over any 2 games in 5 seasons
Ive got news for you as well
Daniel Jones never threw 7-8 TDs over any 2 games in college either
That’s 8 combined NCAA/NFL seasons and 96 games and he hasn’t thrown 7-8 TD passes over ANY two games
You've done excellent research. To prove a meaningless point.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
Behind the Giants O line? Throwing to the Giants receivers? We saw the kind of stats Mahomes put up in the one game in his career with a bad O line. Zero TDs, 2 INTs, 26 for 49 for 270 yards (5.5 per attempt). 52.3 rating. And that's WITH Kelce and Hill!
Here's the flaw in your argument: you only issue one-way excuses.
Where's the grace extended to the Giants' OL and WRs for having to deal with the Giants' QBs? Right.
Also, that doesn't prove that DJ would be good BUT FOR the extenuating circumstances. It simply describes the situation, that's it. If we put you behind the Giants' OL with the Giants' WRs, you'd suck at QB also. But I bet we could put you behind the 1993 Cowboys OL, give you peak Randy Moss and Jerry Rice at WR, and you'd still suck at QB. There's no guarantee that the same isn't the case with DJ.
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You really think two more tips the scales?
It might, or might not. We're all going to be watching on opening day to see.
Fundamentally, two games does not outweigh 60. Full stop.
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came out smoking against two bad teams and threw 7-8 TD passes to start the year.
Has Daniel Jones thrown 7-8 TDs in any 2 game stretch in NFL or college?
He threw 5 TD's in one game. And I don't care that it was against the Redskins. Mahomes and Allen pad their stats against tomato cans, too.
They pad their stats more frequently than a half dozen times ever in their career.
Behind the Giants O line? Throwing to the Giants receivers? We saw the kind of stats Mahomes put up in the one game in his career with a bad O line. Zero TDs, 2 INTs, 26 for 49 for 270 yards (5.5 per attempt). 52.3 rating. And that's WITH Kelce and Hill!
How do you only have a “bad OL” for 1 game?
Or maybe you should look at like Mahomes made the Super Bowl with a bad OL.
And what’s Jones excuse for his 3 college seasons because he didn’t do it then either
To put a man in jail for life, the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt."
To replace the Giants starting QB, the standard is higher, "beyond a shadow of a doubt."
He’s the QB right now. It is what it is. I’m going to give him a shot, but 2024 is it. He either sinks or swim. No more excuses this fall. None.
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You really think two more tips the scales?
It might, or might not. We're all going to be watching on opening day to see.
Fundamentally, two games does not outweigh 60. Full stop.
Wow. "Full Stop." That must mean something, to someone.
In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning. Outweigh? Who cares.
Who cares if they lose the next 10. 2 and 0 BABY!!!
Who cares if they lose the next 10. 2 and 0 BABY!!!
Another idiot.
He’s the QB right now. It is what it is. I’m going to give him a shot, but 2024 is it. He either sinks or swim. No more excuses this fall. None.
Refreshing to hear.
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You really think two more tips the scales?
It might, or might not. We're all going to be watching on opening day to see.
Fundamentally, two games does not outweigh 60. Full stop.
Wow. "Full Stop." That must mean something, to someone.
In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning. Outweigh? Who cares.
Do they if he plays poorly in 8 of the next 15?
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Yep. 100% truth...
My other favorite is, "well, he ALMOST threw 2 INT's..."
Yeah if my aunt had balls, he'd be my uncle....
You knew what it meant, didn't you?
I guess that sort of indicates that it meant something to both of us, Bob.
My other favorite is, "well, he ALMOST threw 2 INT's..."
Yeah if my aunt had balls, he'd be my uncle....
Do you believe Daniel Jones will stay healthy and lead the Giants to championship contention?
Cause, they were not passing TDs, and he is only a 64+% passer for his career running for his life with less time to throw than any qb in football.
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
With all due respect re: Richardson, he's basically still a rookie...
Not so, nothing will shut up his critics. We know how it goes, (He played a bad D, the running game was great, Nabers made some great catches of bad passes, overthrew a sure TD, so much time in the pocket anybody could have made those passes, etc.)
Yep. 100% truth...
My other favorite is, "well, he ALMOST threw 2 INT's..."
Yeah if my aunt had balls, he'd be my uncle....
Is that any different than the fans who point out what DJ's stats would be if his ALMOST completions had found their target?
This attempt to act like the DJ enthusiasts have a high road to take here is comical.
Cause, they were not passing TDs, and he is only a 64+% passer for his career running for his life with less time to throw than any qb in football.
Let me see if I can put this all in nice short words for you:
Even when we count those numbers, his overall statline was still mediocre.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
I mean you can still get hit as a QB. Jones is proof of that. Its not like the Giants are enjoying the luxury of a lot of personal fouls for roughing calls on jones.
But i agree with your post.
All this praise of Jones when he uses the doggie pad to pee like a good boy can be sickening. Guy was drafted sixth overall and some people want a pizza party every time he strings together two good games, which isnt often.
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And seven TDs running for his life doesn’t count.
Cause, they were not passing TDs, and he is only a 64+% passer for his career running for his life with less time to throw than any qb in football.
Let me see if I can put this all in nice short words for you:
Even when we count those numbers, his overall statline was still mediocre.
For context, in 15 games in 2022, Justin Fields threw 17 TDs and ran for 8.
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Do they if he plays poorly in 8 of the next 15?
Let’s come up with all sorts of scenarios. Dumb. Try to understand the point.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
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Wow. "Full Stop." That must mean something, to someone.
You knew what it meant, didn't you?
I guess that sort of indicates that it meant something to both of us, Bob.
Not really.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
If tom Brady averaged 6.6 yards per attempt it would be the second lowest mark of his 20 year career as a full time starter.
And this is *also* to mention that his career spans eras in the NFL where passing was not so prolific.
Desmond Ridder, a first-year starter, averaged 7.3
Tyrod Taylor, who everyone swears stinks, averaged 7.4 behind a line everyone agreed could not block and if they didn't upgrade it, would be a fireable offense.
Geno Smith, 7.3
Trevor Lawrence, 7.1
Kirk Cousins, 7.5
So we could have a QB who is a mere 2 feet worse than Brady and have over $30 M to spend which would net us 1 Pro Bowl caliber player and 1 starter.
This is incredible. I have to go tell some people about this!
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Do they if he plays poorly in 8 of the next 15?
Let’s come up with all sorts of scenarios. Dumb. Try to understand the point.
You said if he starts 2-0 it invalidates the first 60, that’s dumb.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
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You said if he starts 2-0 it invalidates the first 60, that’s dumb.
No, I did not say that.
In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
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In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
So obviously I didn’t say they would be invalidated. They would have less meaning in the eyes of fans because we would be optimistic about the future instead of complaining about the past. Unless all they’d want to do is complain about the past. A sentiment you’re familiar with.
For the team? Sure.
And also even at his worst Jones looks incredible against washington, so it shouldn't be used as proof of concept. You take wins where you can get them though.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
It's fine. It's Jones being Jones. Does it help the franchise achieve anything? I guess we have to just "let the season play out" so to speak.
Hopefully with a better OL & weapons, he morphs into something he's never been.
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In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
So obviously I didn’t say they would be invalidated. They would have less meaning in the eyes of fans because we would be optimistic about the future instead of complaining about the past. Unless all they’d want to do is complain about the past. A sentiment you’re familiar with.
Seems like you’re arguing semantics.
But again not sure how my question is dumb. Say they start 2-0 and are mediocre the rest of the way, do the previous 60 games mean less?
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In reality, and you know this, if DJ plays well and the Giants start 2-0, those previous 60 games will have a lot less meaning
Why would they have less meaning after two games?
So obviously I didn’t say they would be invalidated. They would have less meaning in the eyes of fans because we would be optimistic about the future instead of complaining about the past. Unless all they’d want to do is complain about the past. A sentiment you’re familiar with.
Seems like you’re arguing semantics.
But again not sure how my question is dumb. Say they start 2-0 and are mediocre the rest of the way, do the previous 60 games mean less?
Yes they mean less. Actually, they don’t mean anything at all.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
lmao
That was a very good laugh. Well done.
BTW, I'm hoping Hyatt can have a breakout year with 60 grabs, 9,600 total inches/160 inches per catch.
I'd like to see Gano breaks his record for longest FG at 756 inches.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Hey it’s another sucker of cocks.
So you believe in the stat but only in the unit of measurement of your choice? Yes it’s a metric stat geeks use. If you believe that throwing passes on average of around 2 feet shorter leads to falsely inflated completion rates, well I guess that’s your right. I think a difference that small means nothing. Especially when it results from a myriad of factors beyond the actual human being throwing the football.
Jones hasn’t had a good game in any form since (at best) Sept 17 2023 vs Cards and that was one half.
His last full game of good football was the Minnesota playoff game in January of 2023.
He hasn’t won 2 starts in a row since the Colts and Vikings In January of 2023
He has only started 2-0 in just 2 out of his 5 seasons and the other 3 times started 1-5.
How about we let Jones actually win a football game. Any football game first before we start talking about two wins.
What am I saying…how about we let Daniel Jones throw an actual TD pass in a football game first. Any football game. Preseason or regular season . He hasn’t thrown a TD pass in any game since Sept 17, 2003 despite 4 regular season starts and one preseason start.
Actually let me take that back, he has thrown TD passes since then. Two of them actually. Unfortunately they were to the other team.
So let’s Daniel Jones throw a TD pass to a member of his own team first. A task he hasn’t accomplished in over a year, since Sept 17, 2023 during 5 starts (4 regular season and 1 preseason) or in 8 halves of football or in 13.5 quarters of football.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Hey it’s another sucker of cocks.
So you believe in the stat but only in the unit of measurement of your choice? Yes it’s a metric stat geeks use. If you believe that throwing passes on average of around 2 feet shorter leads to falsely inflated completion rates, well I guess that’s your right. I think a difference that small means nothing. Especially when it results from a myriad of factors beyond the actual human being throwing the football.
Converting yards to inches was a very cool parlor trick that totally enlightened and owned everyone, your elementary school teachers would surely be very proud.
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and he is only a 64+% passer
Because everything is short. You better damn well complete 64% of your 5-8 yard passes. Career average 6 YPA.
Tom Brady career YPA = 7.4
NFL Average YPA 2019-2023 = 7.1
Daniel Jones career YPA = 6.6
1 yard = 3 feet
We’re talking 18 inches less than league average and 28 inches less than Brady per attempt. Behind what most non obsessed viewers would agree has been a bottom 3 offensive line and throwing to a bottom 5 group of receivers.
My guy is breaking down yards into inches to defend Jones. Why don't you convert to metric and tell us how many millimeters.
(I love how the rebuttal to one of the most used QB stats is to break it down into inches and then argue it's not a lot of inches and feet. Lolllllllll.)
Don’t put words in my mouth guy.
Not defending anyone or anything. Simply illustrating the difference for perspective. The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
See how several posters couldn’t wait to pounce on someone for posting something they “deemed” to be in support of the Giants QB on a Giants message board? How dare thee.
Using Yards Per Attempt is not "intellectually dishonest," as it's one of the most common metrics used to evaluate quarterbacks, including how many yards their passes gain, which does of course help demonstrate that his completion percentage is inflated by throwing short passes.
Converting yards to inches when nobody ever does that evaluating this statistic is...clownish? Risible? Pathetic? Pick your adjective.
Hey it’s another sucker of cocks.
So you believe in the stat but only in the unit of measurement of your choice? Yes it’s a metric stat geeks use. If you believe that throwing passes on average of around 2 feet shorter leads to falsely inflated completion rates, well I guess that’s your right. I think a difference that small means nothing. Especially when it results from a myriad of factors beyond the actual human being throwing the football.
Btw I've never sucked any cocks, probably because I didn't know you or your father when I was a child.
This
Btw, your breath reeks of cock, so you may not suck em, but I bet you’ll taste one from time to time.
This is using a big word to sound smart. It is not 'intellectually dishonest'. What is intellectually dishonest is pretending the difference in his career YPA and Tom Brady's career YPA isn't very large.
As if you also don't have three years of Brian Daboll publicly calling for Daniel Jones to be more aggressive as a passer, or an entire 2024 preseason of 'throw the damn ball' downfield passing. Use your intellect and crack the code on why that is.
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The post I replied to implied Jones’ completion percentage is inflated by only throwing short passes. That’s intellectually dishonest.
This is using a big word to sound smart. It is not 'intellectually dishonest'. What is intellectually dishonest is pretending the difference in his career YPA and Tom Brady's career YPA isn't very large.
As if you also don't have three years of Brian Daboll publicly calling for Daniel Jones to be more aggressive as a passer, or an entire 2024 preseason of 'throw the damn ball' downfield passing. Use your intellect and crack the code on why that is.
I stand by my comment. You said Jones is a career 6 ypa. It’s 6.6. Not a big difference? It’s about the same difference between Jones and Brady, which you just said is a big difference. So you use your intellect and tell me, were you being dishonest before or now?
So a two read passing attack.
Processing issue solved.
This is what i think is going to happen
I get 2nd hand info once in a long while that's from an impeccable source inside the organization. He's always 100% because he's involved in the process.
I don't know why they signed him to that contract. Don't know if that was because of Mara. I would never ask that. I do know that people inside the organization are down on him big time. The guys own word were "we are not picking JJ McCarthy because why would we want another Daniel Jones." Do the players believe in him? From what was I was told, everyone likes Daniel but no they don't think he's he's the guy
This will help Jones with pre and post snap reads which is the key to “processing.” That’s when a QB can get through the progressions faster. That’s when WDR, Slayton, Hyatt start to make plays in 1 on 1s.
They have to earn it though and there’ll be mistakes early on. Hopefully they can manufacture some things with the run, screen, and pick/rub games until they start clicking.
If that is the case, then why does Jones have the same YPA in college? His 3 years starting were 6.6, 5.9 and 6.8 for a 6.4 career college average?
College is usually higher than the NFL. For example, McCarthy who people say just handed off and wasnt asked to do much had 9.2, 8.3 and 9.2 in college for a 8.7 ypa.
Jayden Daniels was 11.7 ypa last year
Kyler Murray the same draft year was 11.6 ypa and Drew Lock same draft year was 8.0 in their Senior year
Time to grow a nut sack.
It's a preseason dude. You can't tell anything either way. Let it play out, maybe the team will surprise you?
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
Thats scary from a scouting/evaluation standpoint. They are the complete opposite of player, personality and mentality . McCarthy is pre-snap read, quick decision and risk taker QB who has played the highest level of football and won at HS & College with a very intense personality. The critics say he has just been surrounded by great talents and thats why he succeeds. His top end skills are all mental and personality. The dreamers of his talent have compd him to an early career Brady.
Jones is a one-read QB with excellent running skills who is known for checking down with a low key personality and has played at lower levels of football in HS & Duke. The defenders say he has just been surrounded by terrible talent everywhere and thats why he hasnt had great success or stats. His top end skill is all physical (running). The dreamers of his talent have compd him to Josh Allen.
Maybe McCarthy wont make it in the NFL or maybe injuries will take him downor maybe he was just surrounded by great talent but he certainly is a very different player and mentality than Jones.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
If that is the case, then why does Jones have the same YPA in college? His 3 years starting were 6.6, 5.9 and 6.8 for a 6.4 career college average?
College is usually higher than the NFL. For example, McCarthy who people say just handed off and wasnt asked to do much had 9.2, 8.3 and 9.2 in college for a 8.7 ypa.
Jayden Daniels was 11.7 ypa last year
Kyler Murray the same draft year was 11.6 ypa and Drew Lock same draft year was 8.0 in their Senior year
Cool story. Still think it’s a shit stat to hang completely on the human throwing the ball. Too many other factors at play.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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More breaking g news at 11
I get 2nd hand info once in a long while that's from an impeccable source inside the organization. He's always 100% because he's involved in the process.
I don't know why they signed him to that contract. Don't know if that was because of Mara. I would never ask that. I do know that people inside the organization are down on him big time. The guys own word were "we are not picking JJ McCarthy because why would we want another Daniel Jones." Do the players believe in him? From what was I was told, everyone likes Daniel but no they don't think he's he's the guy
Sorry, wasn't trying to conflate you with AJR who said he talked to players at camp.
You just said "his teammates know it too" in response to someone saying the whole league knows he's bad in the deleted Sauce thread
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Good morning Mike. So you drew morning duty huh? Does “The Mike” take over for you at some point later today?
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
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Who said I talk to the players and they want Devito or Lock to play. Don't put that on me. I've never talked to any current Giants player.
I get 2nd hand info once in a long while that's from an impeccable source inside the organization. He's always 100% because he's involved in the process.
I don't know why they signed him to that contract. Don't know if that was because of Mara. I would never ask that. I do know that people inside the organization are down on him big time. The guys own word were "we are not picking JJ McCarthy because why would we want another Daniel Jones." Do the players believe in him? From what was I was told, everyone likes Daniel but no they don't think he's he's the guy
Sorry, wasn't trying to conflate you with AJR who said he talked to players at camp.
You just said "his teammates know it too" in response to someone saying the whole league knows he's bad in the deleted Sauce thread
No. It's my bad. Your correct.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
Holy shit you might be one of the stupidest human beings alive. Pass attempts do not include sacks you fucking moron.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
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"The disdain has jumped the shark."
Richardson and the Colts proved Slayton's point. The clips this AM highlight his one good TD pass; but he was bloody awful other than that. If that were Jones he'd need a police escort to get to the stadium today.
Criticism is fine, but once more with feeling "The disdain has jumped the shark."
Poor example. Anthony Richardson has started one year in college and 4 professional games in his life, not 60+ on top of 4 years of college.
That's great that Jones is beloved of his owner and his teammates, a great guy, a hard worker, someone you hope your daughter marries and fun at parties. The guys who don't know him personally and just study film and play against him, don't seem to be impressed. So, he needs to get it the fuck done consistently on the field already. If not, get him the hell out of here already and let him take his shining personality and good fellowship elsewhere.
I know it's not apples to apples, but there were a ton of defensive players who continually disrespected Eli, and that got dissected to no end, or at least until he won a Super Bowl, but even Eli had his critics before and after the 1st Super Bowl.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
Google AI is wrong, and you're a fucking idiot.
A sack necessarily precludes a pass attempt (because it can't be a sack if the QB gets the ball out). A pass attempt necessarily precludes a sack (because the ball gets out).
This is only complicated for your room temperature IQ. Everyone besides you understands this. You're just wrong, and too stubborn to learn, unfortunately.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
Google AI is wrong, and you're a fucking idiot.
So it was hallucinating. Next time I’ll fact check AI, wait no I won’t.
Doesn’t change my position regarding it being a shit stat to hang completely on the QB.
I bet you can barely contain yourself right now, considering you’re a miserable old fuck who lives to jump on people. You’re that asshole measuring the height of people’s grass and if their shed is the exact same shade of white, aren’t you?
I’m glad AI misleading me has allowed you to experience some joy today, you leathery cunt.
Been here longer than you. Same username all these years. Nice try.
Over the many many years we have heard thousands of times how Daniel has been failed by the people closest to him - OL, WRs, TEs, coaches, defense, weather, media. They've all been letting him down for years.
Now we are discovering that yet another challenge for Daniel is that he needs smarter fans. Imagine the pressure and insecurity Daniel feels knowing that his biggest advocates can't do simple division. Knowing that if there is any adversity, they might just start screaming about cocks. The burden that Daniel carries is a heavy one, on and off the field.
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Ypa is a shit stat. It’s total yards/attempts including sacks. So QBs that get sacked a lot will have a lower average. Hopefully everyone here can agree that Jones has been sacked a lot. And spare me the slow processing response. The blocking has been garbage for a decade. That ain’t on Jones.
You’ll be surprised to learn that sacks are not accounted for in Y/A. As the slash between those two letters should make clear, it’s yards divided by attempts.
The average gain when Daniel Jones attempts a pass is 6.6 yards. Actually 6.585 but rounded up to 6.6.
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Source?
The source is math.
1900 attempts, 12,512 yards. I’d like to assume you can figure it out from there, what with the technology we all have at our disposal.
And those attempts include sacks…..meaning a throw never occurred. Do I have to continue or can I assume you can figure it out from there?
Attempts do not include sacks, dummy.
You’re wrong. Have a nice Saturday you miserable old fucker.
It’s impossible to be more wrong about basic statistic than you are, and somehow you keep doubling down on stupid.
A pass attempt is a pass attempt. Period.
“Passing
YPA is calculated by dividing the total passing yards by the number of pass attempts, including sacks. It's a quarterback stat that can indicate how many yards are being gained on average, and can help identify outliers who have particularly high or low YPA. However, many factors can influence YPA, such as volume, catch percentage, and aDOT, so it's not always helpful on its own.”
That’s provided by Google AI. Maybe it’s hallucinating?
Google AI is wrong, and you're a fucking idiot.
So it was hallucinating. Next time I’ll fact check AI, wait no I won’t.
Doesn’t change my position regarding it being a shit stat to hang completely on the QB.
I bet you can barely contain yourself right now, considering you’re a miserable old fuck who lives to jump on people. You’re that asshole measuring the height of people’s grass and if their shed is the exact same shade of white, aren’t you?
I’m glad AI misleading me has allowed you to experience some joy today, you leathery cunt.
"My position was based on a fundamental misunderstanding of a basic stat, but that doesn't change my positions." Ok lol.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You made a post about Yards Per Attempt without knowing what an "attempt" is. Which proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
Just take your L and shut up.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
The BBI equivalent of a dead cat bounce.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
And yet the only season when jones had a decent oline he did play pretty well. Qbs can’t get hit ? News to me. Jones got the shit kicked out of him last season. That doesn’t mean any critiques of jones are off limits. He’s failed time and time again to lift the team when the shit hits the fan but you can make any qb look bad when you knock the crap out of him 10-15 times a game. Even Tom Brady.
On another note, comparing Neal at RT or any OL to the play of a QB is just fucking ridiculous. It ain’t the same thing. Not by a long shot. Linemen play in a vacuum. Qbs don’t. Bad OL can be insulated a little bit by their mates but if you’re bad you’re not getting any better no matter who’s next to you. If you’re good you’re going to look good no matter what. Put a good qb on the 1980 saints and take a guess what happens to that qb. And you don’t have to guess, go look at how Archie manning is remembered.
Jones isn’t a difference maker and probably won’t ever be a difference maker, but qbs need more help than any other position in pro sports maybe other than NHL goalie. While they will always be the most important player, they still need functionality around them. That’s just a stone cold fact. There’s a reason the greatest football scouting minds of all time have been humbled by the QB time and time again. George young drafts simms and hostettler then drafts Dave brown. Teams get the qb wrong so frequently isn’t at all possible the qb isn’t always the reason why? Or no? I guess not. I know most won’t buy it. Try.
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I think BBI's focus on Jones is a direct reflection of how the game has developed to focus on QB.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
And yet the only season when jones had a decent oline he did play pretty well. Qbs can’t get hit ? News to me. Jones got the shit kicked out of him last season. That doesn’t mean any critiques of jones are off limits. He’s failed time and time again to lift the team when the shit hits the fan but you can make any qb look bad when you knock the crap out of him 10-15 times a game. Even Tom Brady.
On another note, comparing Neal at RT or any OL to the play of a QB is just fucking ridiculous. It ain’t the same thing. Not by a long shot. Linemen play in a vacuum. Qbs don’t. Bad OL can be insulated a little bit by their mates but if you’re bad you’re not getting any better no matter who’s next to you. If you’re good you’re going to look good no matter what. Put a good qb on the 1980 saints and take a guess what happens to that qb. And you don’t have to guess, go look at how Archie manning is remembered.
Jones isn’t a difference maker and probably won’t ever be a difference maker, but qbs need more help than any other position in pro sports maybe other than NHL goalie. While they will always be the most important player, they still need functionality around them. That’s just a stone cold fact. There’s a reason the greatest football scouting minds of all time have been humbled by the QB time and time again. George young drafts simms and hostettler then drafts Dave brown. Teams get the qb wrong so frequently isn’t at all possible the qb isn’t always the reason why? Or no? I guess not. I know most won’t buy it. Try.
If the greatest football minds can be humbled by the QB decision, why do we think a QB drafted by one of the worst may have got it right (+6 years to boot)
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You made a post about Yards Per Attempt without knowing what an "attempt" is. Which proves you don't know what you're talking about.
Once again out of context. Read what was posted.
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
Just take your L and shut up.
I don’t have a problem taking an L when it’s warranted. This thread and from you boobs? Nope.
Meltdown?
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I think BBI's focus on Jones is a direct reflection of how the game has developed to focus on QB.
It's so much easier to play quarterback today. You can't get hit, the pass targets can't get hit, and the pass targets can't get pushed around.
Because it's so easy now, there is a big homogenous chunk of QBs who are pretty good/good enough. So you see go up, and focus go up.
And now we're at the point where basically everyone has a pretty good quarterback, so if you don't it really stands out.
And yet the only season when jones had a decent oline he did play pretty well. Qbs can’t get hit ? News to me. Jones got the shit kicked out of him last season. That doesn’t mean any critiques of jones are off limits. He’s failed time and time again to lift the team when the shit hits the fan but you can make any qb look bad when you knock the crap out of him 10-15 times a game. Even Tom Brady.
On another note, comparing Neal at RT or any OL to the play of a QB is just fucking ridiculous. It ain’t the same thing. Not by a long shot. Linemen play in a vacuum. Qbs don’t. Bad OL can be insulated a little bit by their mates but if you’re bad you’re not getting any better no matter who’s next to you. If you’re good you’re going to look good no matter what. Put a good qb on the 1980 saints and take a guess what happens to that qb. And you don’t have to guess, go look at how Archie manning is remembered.
Jones isn’t a difference maker and probably won’t ever be a difference maker, but qbs need more help than any other position in pro sports maybe other than NHL goalie. While they will always be the most important player, they still need functionality around them. That’s just a stone cold fact. There’s a reason the greatest football scouting minds of all time have been humbled by the QB time and time again. George young drafts simms and hostettler then drafts Dave brown. Teams get the qb wrong so frequently isn’t at all possible the qb isn’t always the reason why? Or no? I guess not. I know most won’t buy it. Try.
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1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
The last part is lost on me. People discuss the giants on the message board that doesn't affect outcomes. Newsflash! lol. Not sure I see your angle. As long as you're above the age of 6 I think we understand that an internet board isn't going to move the needle or change things. Not trying to be smug but...is this your first day on the internet? Ever listen to sports radio? Read any opinion based medium? etc.
Dan Snyder was one of the worst owners in the last century and got quite a nice return on his sale in washington, you don't have to point out that billionaire owners don't care. we know! The Giants could have the stadium half full and Mara would STILL come out ahead. Just not as much as he'd like.
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
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In comment 16584612 Jerry in_DC said:
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1) It is immensely frustrating to be saddled with a QB like this for so long. And to know that all he has to do is stay somewhat healthy and not be terrible, and he could have the job until he chooses to walk away. For people who care about the Giants actually being good, it is maddening. Its been over 20 years since any team has handed a QB as bad as Jones for 6 years
2) It's all we can do to try to move the needle. The owner/CEO is in love with a backup QB. That's about as bad of a curse as you can have in the NFL. What will it take to escape?
- the exact right QB is available in the draft. Must pass Mara filters and be someone JS/BD are willing to stake their careers on
- Fan revolt
- Locker room revolt
- Injury
That's it. That's what gets us out. So if there are any contributions that can be made to a fan revolt, it's worth it. There is a world where the Giants spend 4 more years winning 6 to 9 games with Jones throwing for 200 yards and 1 TD a game. Giants fans should not want that. But it's out there as a possibility. Fans revolting is one thing that could stop it.
It's also incredibly frustrating to read the same crap by the same people post after post. If you want change then stop watching. The owners really doesn't give a shit as long as their pockets are full. Ranting on a message board is not going to do anything.
The last part is lost on me. People discuss the giants on the message board that doesn't affect outcomes. Newsflash! lol. Not sure I see your angle. As long as you're above the age of 6 I think we understand that an internet board isn't going to move the needle or change things. Not trying to be smug but...is this your first day on the internet? Ever listen to sports radio? Read any opinion based medium? etc.
Dan Snyder was one of the worst owners in the last century and got quite a nice return on his sale in washington, you don't have to point out that billionaire owners don't care. we know! The Giants could have the stadium half full and Mara would STILL come out ahead. Just not as much as he'd like.
It was a reply to people trying to move the needle on the quarterback situation. I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, but when you keep expressing the same opinion over and over again it gets kind of old. Everyone already has their heels dug into this topic and there is really no new data.
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
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In comment 16585570 mako J said:
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
+50
Or as they said in ancient Rome, +L
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In comment 16585570 mako J said:
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
Sorry Mike but you’re wrong. I never thought it included sacks until after a AI query introduced that. My failure was in not fact checking and believing something I had just read.
I know you and others live for the validation so have at it. Feel big and proud of your accomplishment here. You even got + comment from your cliques eldest dickhead. Big things are happening for you!
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In comment 16585675 ThomasG said:
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In comment 16585570 mako J said:
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But I guess it does require 4 or 5 miserable cunts to police the board and stomp out any flickers of positivity on any thread all hours of the day.
Blatant disregard for context. Find any opening and attack. Pile on. Circle jerks circling the wagon.
Y’all really are pathetic and have ruined this board.
My original post replying to a disingenuous use of YPA still stands. Being mislead by a quick google ai query doesn’t change that and doesn’t change the fact it’s a shit stat to use to support an argument for or against an individual player in a team sport.
Everything else here is some of the usual suspects doing what they do on any thread that has any post that doesn’t shit on Daniel Jones.
You’re having a bad day.
It happens. Forget it…wipe it off and start clean tomorrow.
Go Giants!
I agree with the Go Giants and I appreciate the overall sentiment. But I’m not having a bad anything. It was a beautiful Saturday with the kids and friends.
You opined about a stat, and later admitted you didn't know what the stat means. You thought "Yards Per Attempt" included sacks. Pretty huge L.
Sorry Mike but you’re wrong. I never thought it included sacks until after a AI query introduced that. My failure was in not fact checking and believing something I had just read.
I know you and others live for the validation so have at it. Feel big and proud of your accomplishment here. You even got + comment from your cliques eldest dickhead. Big things are happening for you!
You and I are probably around the same age, give or take a couple of years. You're just a moron. Besides, age isn't an insult. There is literally nothing about you to envy.