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Carl Banks: 'Hats off to Daniel Jones!'

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2024 8:19 pm
'I thought he played a really good game.'

I was curious what the thinking @ 1925 Giants Way on Jones' performance yesterday & knew I could count on these shills to parrot the company line so I listened to their podcast Beleve or whatever the hell the name of it is. This will probably be the one & only time I listen to it because these two are boring AF.

I thought Jones was fine yesterday. Functional. Adequate. OK. But 'he played really well'? He missed multiple throws deep. He zeroed in on Robinson one play where Nabers was wide open. He averaged less than 7 yards per pass. Meanwhile, Sam Darnold-who makes pennies compared to Danny Dimes-averaged 10 yards per pass.

I know a lot of you think I hate Jones personally. I don't. He seems like a good dude/teammate & hard worker. But WTF are we doing here where we have a Giants commentator praising him for his play yesterday? Is the bar THAT fucking low for this guy in year six?

Totally expecting 4XChamps to call me names, Haha.
By his standards, it WAS a really good game  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2024 8:21 pm : link
That’s the problem
Yes the bar is that low  
Scooter185 : 9/16/2024 8:22 pm : link
It's at giving a child a cookie for not wetting the bed levels.
DJ was boringly just ok  
OBJRoyal : 9/16/2024 8:25 pm : link
Didn’t really do a whole lot. Was just, ok
when you set the bar low as a leader  
kelly : 9/16/2024 8:25 pm : link
you get low results.

Does anyone have a feel for where Daboll has set the bar?

He says the team improved...did he forget we played Washington a bottom dwelling team and lost! So that means this team was totally unprepared to start the season 2 weeks ago.
LOL  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/16/2024 8:26 pm : link
thanks Carl.

Company man.

He had 6 drives  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 8:29 pm : link
3 were TDs
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out

He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.

And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
Yeah...  
bw in dc : 9/16/2024 8:29 pm : link
that's a very liberal definition of a "very good game".

Jones played another solid game against Washington. That is what he has done in his career. Jones could be in a Russian prison in Siberia for a year, be let out, and play a good game against Washington the following week.

Carl should go watch the games Murray and Carr played. Those efforts were "really good games".
Yea Bar that low  
jwb50 : 9/16/2024 8:30 pm : link
Daboll was practically giddy with DJ’s play in his presser yesterday.
he  
Giants4me : 9/16/2024 8:31 pm : link
played well enough for us to win and he made a play that should have put us in a 95% chance to win.

Carl is a homer though.
Qb meeting  
Jerry in_DC : 9/16/2024 8:34 pm : link
"Daniel, you know all that stuff we've been telling you for 3 years about diagnosing coverages, looking off safeties, assessing which receiver will be open? Ok that didn't work. New plan. Just throw it to Malik. Every time."

Got it coach. I'm going to write "Throw it to Malik" 10,000 times on tbe whiteboard every day this week."

'Man that kid works hard."
18 points  
djm : 9/16/2024 8:35 pm : link
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RE: Yeah...  
mfsd : 9/16/2024 8:35 pm : link
In comment 16613216 bw in dc said:
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that's a very liberal definition of a "very good game".

Jones played another solid game against Washington. That is what he has done in his career. Jones could be in a Russian prison in Siberia for a year, be let out, and play a good game against Washington the following week.

Carl should go watch the games Murray and Carr played. Those efforts were "really good games".


Well said.
I’m gonna be fair ……  
Manny in CA : 9/16/2024 8:40 pm : link

As much grief that Jones brings to the table, he looked much improved, just not bouncing the ball off the turf all day is huge. He actually looked off the defense to make a couple of good throws, shock !!!!!!

The Skins, I still call them that, they counted on him doing that, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. If he just works on that, we just might surprise the NFL.
The entire Org  
Devour the Day : 9/16/2024 8:40 pm : link
From the owner, to GM and HC, the team and even the shill announcers this team is becoming an absolute embarrassment.
Remember the Coughlin phrase…..Giants Pride; it is so far from it.
Reason why I defended or supported DJ  
djm : 9/16/2024 8:41 pm : link
After 2022 was the team scored 23-24 or 27 pts in many wins that year and they needed every one of those pts. I understand that 375 or pts scored (I forgot was the exact number was) is barely above average but those points were of the consistent variety. They didn’t score 38 one week and 10 the next.

I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
Jones played a competant backup QB game  
HardTruth : 9/16/2024 8:42 pm : link
We simplified the offense and he executed it

He barely threw anything over 8 yards . 6.35 ypa

He didn’t take any real chances and when he did he threw it so far that not even the speedy Nabers who can jump super high had a chance at them

He basically only dumped off and threw to Nabers. 10 of his 16 completions were to Nabers and 127 of his 178 yards.

He took off at any sign of pressure. And he didn’t face that much pressure . And his RB was getting 5.9 ypc

This is type of game that you expect from a good backup QB
RE: Reason why I defended or supported DJ  
bw in dc : 9/16/2024 8:43 pm : link
In comment 16613249 djm said:
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I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.


Of all people to defend Jones - me - but they only had the ball 22 minutes in the game.

Imagine if Singletary didn't fumble, too.
He did play well.  
BigBlueNH : 9/16/2024 8:43 pm : link
6 opportunities (not much). 3 TDs, 2 drives ended by his teammates, as they approached TDs. Don't give me "only 18 points". It was 27+ points, with a kicker and minus those 2 FUs by others. We lost because of our D, and no kicker.

That said, I think Washington's D is horrible. So I will be very surprised if Jones has similar success against ANYONE else. But let's acknowledge that he played well yesterday, even if it never happens again.


I don't hate Daniel Jones  
arniefez : 9/16/2024 8:47 pm : link
and Carl Banks is one of my football heroes. But this is ridiculous.

The Washington Commanders are a terrible football team. Especially on defense. They gave up 37 points and 290 yards passing with 4 TDs to Tampa week 1.

Daniel Jones threw for 178 yards. Most of that yardage was Nabers yards after catch. Jones completed 16 passes, 10 of them to Nabers. He threw 3 long passes that weren't close to the receiver. Nabers of course all 3 times.

Going off my terrible memory I don't think he completed a pass that traveled 15 yards in the air.

He had very good pass protection all game and the few times he had to move in the pocket he created nothing.

The Giants are going to be at a QB disadvantage in almost every game they play this year.
It was a good game  
Lambuth_Special : 9/16/2024 8:53 pm : link
Nothing flashy but almost all of his decisions were correct. I thought the Nabers drop was actually his best play, sliding out of pressure in a clutch situation and delivering a good ball. I usually trust an average of all the advanced stats, and he came out well.

He could go a long way to rehabbing his reputation in the next two games. Dallas is really the critical one, as that matchup combines all of his career nightmares (primetime and home struggles).
He was fine  
TyreeHelmet : 9/16/2024 8:53 pm : link
But you want your 6th QB making 40 million to do what Mayfield did last week- shred that defense.

The loss isn't on him but that is not a "very good game".
Just keep in mind  
HardTruth : 9/16/2024 8:59 pm : link
This is Daniel Jones with good protection, a #1 WR and a productive RB with 5.9 ypc in the game

16 of 28 for 178 yards and 2 Tds for a 6.35 ypa and 18 pts in a loss to a team that finished with the 2nd worst record last year and a rookie QB and a new HC.
Of course everyone running to pat Jones on the back  
Chris L. : 9/16/2024 9:10 pm : link
He showed you all the things he has shown before. No deep passing game, locks on and stares down first receiver, no such thing as moving through progressions. Looked decent against a really, really bad defense. Next week against the Browns will be real ugly....you can write that down.
 
christian : 9/16/2024 9:11 pm : link
I'm solidly skeptical of Jones, but he played well. There's no reason to deny that.

Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
RE: …  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 9:12 pm : link
In comment 16613306 christian said:
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I'm solidly skeptical of Jones, but he played well. There's no reason to deny that.

Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.


Good post Christian.
RE: Jones played a competant backup QB game  
AcidTest : 9/16/2024 9:17 pm : link
In comment 16613250 HardTruth said:
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We simplified the offense and he executed it

He barely threw anything over 8 yards . 6.35 ypa

He didn’t take any real chances and when he did he threw it so far that not even the speedy Nabers who can jump super high had a chance at them

He basically only dumped off and threw to Nabers. 10 of his 16 completions were to Nabers and 127 of his 178 yards.

He took off at any sign of pressure. And he didn’t face that much pressure . And his RB was getting 5.9 ypc

This is type of game that you expect from a good backup QB


^This. He succeeded within the context of an offense that has been dramatically simplified for him because he can't regularly read defenses well enough to execute a more complex offense.
RE: …  
81_Great_Dane : 9/16/2024 9:20 pm : link
In comment 16613306 christian said:
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I'm solidly skeptical of Jones, but he played well. There's no reason to deny that.

Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
I agree. He didn't play like an elite QB, but he played a solid game. If we got that every week from him, we'd take it, I guess, but we wouldn't be watching a winning team. And the Giants would probably still be looking for a new QB in the offseason.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2024 9:20 pm : link
But he’s not a backup QB. He’s the starter with no competition making insane coin.

WTF ARE WE DOING?
RE: By his standards, it WAS a really good game  
rnargi : 9/16/2024 9:21 pm : link
In comment 16613201 Greg from LI said:
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That’s the problem


He had 7 drives. Led them to three TDs. Was in FG range at the end. Had another drive poised to score points except Singletary fumbled. So successful on 6 of 7 drives. He only had 22 minutes of game time. Why be a shitbag? Seriously?
Classic DJ  
The Mike : 9/16/2024 9:22 pm : link
Solid game management against a bad defense. Nothing spectacular, but no catastrophic mistakes either so we'll take it. Not sure it is the kind of performance that warrants "hats off" especially for someone occupying twenty percent of the cap, but at least he threw a couple of touchdown passes to the good guys for a change, the first time he did so since the 2023 Cardinals game, exactly one year ago this past weekend.

But it was reminiscent of 2022 DJ and Daboll's "training wheels and guard rails" approach. The same approach the Packers scripted for Malik Willis yesterday, except Willis had a higher rating and led his team to a win.
 
christian : 9/16/2024 9:22 pm : link
The Giants weren't down big, so Jones didn't push the ball downfield as many times. But on a per throw basis he threw ball more in the air more than against Minnesota.

The entire thesis of the offense is Singletary is a more consistent back, and the pass catching weapons can produce yards with the ball in their hands.

You can't knock Jones because it actually worked.

Knock him for his ceiling, and the probability this performance is likely only repeatable against bad teams.
Deep balls  
MNP70 : 9/16/2024 9:23 pm : link
were a complete zero. Maybe that's why Hyatt is invisible?
I think Daniel Jones stinks  
Essex : 9/16/2024 9:27 pm : link
And his game wasn’t perfect, but for having the ball for 22 minutes he was definitely ok. One drive ended because his receiver dropped the ball, another ended because of Singletary fumble. In 20 minutes he could have easily put up 30 points. He was fine yesterday
The only thing I would add is that he was definitely helped by  
Essex : 9/16/2024 9:31 pm : link
A functional running game and Nabers. I would have liked for him to include other receivers but not sure if that’s on him or that the other receivers besides Nabers suck
RE: He had 6 drives  
stoneman : 9/16/2024 9:32 pm : link
In comment 16613214 JT039 said:
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3 were TDs
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out

He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.

And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.


actually, this is a great game for a QB. But let's not spoil the BBI narrative that you can't win with this guy.
He had 178 yards  
JoeyBigBlue : 9/16/2024 9:33 pm : link
Against the Worse Pass Defense in the league. Let’s not go crazy.
Amazing how hard it is for some to be  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/16/2024 9:34 pm : link
Objective on this board. Sad state
RE: The only thing I would add is that he was definitely helped by  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/16/2024 9:35 pm : link
In comment 16613333 Essex said:
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A functional running game and Nabers. I would have liked for him to include other receivers but not sure if that’s on him or that the other receivers besides Nabers suck


He put it right in Slaytons hands for a 2 pt conversion and it was dropped
RE: He had 178 yards  
SirLoinOfBeef : 9/16/2024 9:38 pm : link
In comment 16613338 JoeyBigBlue said:
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Against the Worse Pass Defense in the league. Let’s not go crazy.


Oh, the shills will.

RE: RE: He had 178 yards  
Essex : 9/16/2024 9:42 pm : link
In comment 16613346 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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Against the Worse Pass Defense in the league. Let’s not go crazy.



Oh, the shills will.

He had the ball for 20 minutes. I mean he stinks but yesterday we lost because of our equally incompetent coach and our defense. Daniel Jones was fine
178 passing yards  
jogo1 : 9/16/2024 9:42 pm : link
is abysmal against the league's worst secondary. Washington may not hold another team to under 200 passing yards all season.

Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Jones provides 3 to 4 opportunities  
santacruzom : 9/16/2024 9:45 pm : link
For pundits and fans to laud his game performance every year. Don't take that away from them.
Blow me, marge  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2024 9:47 pm : link
By all means, heap praise on Low Expectations Danny. It’s thinking like that that resulted in this franchise having his loser ass as an anchor around their necks for years.
RE: 178 passing yards  
Essex : 9/16/2024 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16613353 jogo1 said:
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is abysmal against the league's worst secondary. Washington may not hold another team to under 200 passing yards all season.

Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.


Dude we were averaging 6 yards a carry running the darn ball. His star receiver dropped a ball on him and his rb fumbled a ball. Thr giants were moving at will except for one series. Anyone who thinks it was on Jones’ is either blinded by hate or not very bright.
lmao  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/16/2024 9:48 pm : link
there are no words
RE: Reason why I defended or supported DJ  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/16/2024 9:55 pm : link
In comment 16613249 djm said:
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After 2022 was the team scored 23-24 or 27 pts in many wins that year and they needed every one of those pts. I understand that 375 or pts scored (I forgot was the exact number was) is barely above average but those points were of the consistent variety. They didn’t score 38 one week and 10 the next.

I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
I judge QBs similarly but using points per drive. Not doing so makes absolutely no sense.

2022 we were averaging 2pts per drive with DJ which was pretty good (above average). The low turnovers and really, really crappy skill players and OL made that more impressive. Combining those results and that was a good-to-great year productivity-wise. (And yes, that’s despite throwing only 15 TDs.) We also had 10% fewer drives than the average team that year.

For the Wash game, 18 pts off of 6 drives is really good production especially with a missed extra point and a fumble in (what is normally) field goal range.
Tommy DeVito had a more impressive game vs Washington  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2024 9:55 pm : link
Last season, with a worse offensive line and no Nabers
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/16/2024 9:59 pm : link
Carl is embarrassing himself as a commentator.

Papa has always been a joke.
RE: RE: Reason why I defended or supported DJ  
56goat : 9/16/2024 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16613375 JoeSchoens11 said:
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In comment 16613249 djm said:


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After 2022 was the team scored 23-24 or 27 pts in many wins that year and they needed every one of those pts. I understand that 375 or pts scored (I forgot was the exact number was) is barely above average but those points were of the consistent variety. They didn’t score 38 one week and 10 the next.

I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.

I judge QBs similarly but using points per drive. Not doing so makes absolutely no sense.

2022 we were averaging 2pts per drive with DJ which was pretty good (above average). The low turnovers and really, really crappy skill players and OL made that more impressive. Combining those results and that was a good-to-great year productivity-wise. (And yes, that’s despite throwing only 15 TDs.) We also had 10% fewer drives than the average team that year.

For the Wash game, 18 pts off of 6 drives is really good production especially with a missed extra point and a fumble in (what is normally) field goal range.


Not at all impressive against one of the worst defenses in the league.
Give the guy his due.  
larryflower37 : 9/16/2024 10:04 pm : link
They had 3 TDs in 7 drives and were in FG range on the fumble and dropped pass.
He did everything we needed him to do to win the game. He will be the QB for the rest of the season and gone next. chill out everyone and let it play out


(*past results are not an indication of future results)
RE: Blow me, marge  
rnargi : 9/16/2024 10:04 pm : link
In comment 16613363 Greg from LI said:
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By all means, heap praise on Low Expectations Danny. It’s thinking like that that resulted in this franchise having his loser ass as an anchor around their necks for years.


Lick my taint, fuck face. The next time you post a salient point or show honesty in assessment will be your first, you arrogant, wrong, pug headed, fool.
Confidence is a big part of a player's game. Especially at QB  
Reese's Pieces : 9/16/2024 10:17 pm : link
Although Jones put on a nice face in off-season appearances, a player at his position has to believe in himself, and all the shots taken at him, even by players around the league, had to sting.

Only Phil Simms and his mother believed in him. This was a start at confidence-building. Much more needed.

But how cool would it be if DJ had twice as much time to throw this season?




RE: RE: 178 passing yards  
Scooter185 : 9/16/2024 10:17 pm : link
In comment 16613364 Essex said:
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is abysmal against the league's worst secondary. Washington may not hold another team to under 200 passing yards all season.

Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.



Dude we were averaging 6 yards a carry running the darn ball. His star receiver dropped a ball on him and his rb fumbled a ball. Thr giants were moving at will except for one series. Anyone who thinks it was on Jones’ is either blinded by hate or not very bright.


Has anyone actually blamed Jones? Many are just pushing back on that he had some spectacular performance. He wasn't completely unplayable like against MIN. Yay!
RE: 178 passing yards  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/16/2024 10:18 pm : link
In comment 16613353 jogo1 said:
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is abysmal against the league's worst secondary. Washington may not hold another team to under 200 passing yards all season.

Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
I don’t think you realize how much of an outlier a 6 possession game is. A normal game is ~11 possessions. You really, really, really need to take that into account when looking at total yards or points.
I’ve been a helluva lot more right about worthless Daniel Jones  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2024 10:21 pm : link
Than you ever have been.

Enjoy watching your golden boy suck ass the rest of the season, when he won’t be facing the worst pass defense in football.
RE: I’ve been a helluva lot more right about worthless Daniel Jones  
rnargi : 9/16/2024 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16613418 Greg from LI said:
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Than you ever have been.

Enjoy watching your golden boy suck ass the rest of the season, when he won’t be facing the worst pass defense in football.


You see? How the FUCK do you know what I think or how I feel about DJ? You don't, you smug, ignorant fuck.
Yes, you’re right, you’re so inscrutable  
Greg from LI : 9/16/2024 10:30 pm : link
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christian : 9/16/2024 10:32 pm : link
A nice game against a bad team isn't cause to get all crazy and say bad words.

But it's always fun to see the historical crazies be, crazies.
6.3 YPA  
Go Terps : 9/16/2024 10:36 pm : link
For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.
RE: 6.3 YPA  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:37 pm : link
In comment 16613431 Go Terps said:
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.


Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.
RE: RE: He had 6 drives  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:38 pm : link
In comment 16613334 stoneman said:
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3 were TDs
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out

He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.

And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.



actually, this is a great game for a QB. But let's not spoil the BBI narrative that you can't win with this guy.


They didn’t win.
Jones may have played well but  
dabru : 9/16/2024 10:39 pm : link
he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.
 
christian : 9/16/2024 10:39 pm : link
Lol. Touche.
RE: RE: 6.3 YPA  
Go Terps : 9/16/2024 10:41 pm : link
In comment 16613432 JT039 said:
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In comment 16613431 Go Terps said:


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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.



Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.


I'm glad to be yours.
Baker only had 8 possessions  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:43 pm : link
In Week 1.
RE: Baker only had 8 possessions  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16613440 ajr2456 said:
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In Week 1.


Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?
RE: RE: RE: 6.3 YPA  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16613438 Go Terps said:
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In comment 16613431 Go Terps said:


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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.



Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.



I'm glad to be yours.


Your obsession for Jones is sad. He runs your life.
RE: Jones may have played well but  
Thunderstruck27 : 9/16/2024 10:46 pm : link
In comment 16613435 dabru said:
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.


Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
RE: 6.3 YPA  
cosmicj : 9/16/2024 10:47 pm : link
In comment 16613431 Go Terps said:
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.


That stat is not affected by the low number of drives. It’s an ok YPA for DJ, but a bit below avg for him through 2022.

I’ll say it: I’m not sure Jones can still play at an NFL level.
Jones was ok  
JonC : 9/16/2024 10:48 pm : link
He left some throws on the field, which could've sustained drives. With a kicker, the Giants probably put 27 on the board, albeit against a bad defense.

Low standards here for QB.
RE: Jones may have played well but  
bw in dc : 9/16/2024 10:48 pm : link
In comment 16613435 dabru said:
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.


Jones definitely doesn't have that skill/gene.

He's the most expensive game manager in NFL history.

Let's be real - He didn't stink and he wasn't great  
Matt M. : 9/16/2024 10:49 pm : link
The 2 TDs were nice. The 178 yards is pedestrian. He looked much better than last week, but he still missed on his deep shots with a lot of time and he locked in to the primary read on more than one occasion, leaving a wide open receiver ignored. There were multiple examples, but the one that stood out to me was throwing into triple coverage for Slayton in the middle of the field (i.e. right in front of him) while Nabers ran unchecked on a crossing route underneath, also running right in front of him from right to left. Had he hit Nabers, there was a lot of room in front of him for YAC.

So, he improved from a terrible week 1 to look good in week 2. But, good isn't enough to instill confidence at this point. At the same time, he played well enough to have won the game if one of 3 things happened. 1) We had a PK; 2) Nabers catches the 4th down pass, but we would have kicked the FG there; 3) Singletary didn't fumble deep in Washington territory.

So good, but not great or good enough on that day. It's enough to buy him a week, but not enough to confidently say anything glowing about him.
RE: RE: Baker only had 8 possessions  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:49 pm : link
In comment 16613449 JT039 said:
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In Week 1.



Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?


Still thinking about me, huh?
JoeSchoen  
cosmicj : 9/16/2024 10:50 pm : link
Your post about points per drive was incredibly interesting.
RE: RE: Jones may have played well but  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:50 pm : link
In comment 16613456 Thunderstruck27 said:
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.



Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?


lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.
RE: RE: RE: Baker only had 8 possessions  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:51 pm : link
In comment 16613467 ajr2456 said:
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In Week 1.



Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?



Still thinking about me, huh?


Just using your logic. Your words, not mine.

Jones still on your mind I see.
RE: RE: RE: RE: 6.3 YPA  
Go Terps : 9/16/2024 10:51 pm : link
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.



Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.



I'm glad to be yours.



Your obsession for Jones is sad. He runs your life.


I'm not obsessed. I was just earlier in saying what everyone is now saying, you included. Don't worry - you can parrot me all you want.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Baker only had 8 possessions  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:53 pm : link
In comment 16613473 JT039 said:
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In Week 1.



Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?



Still thinking about me, huh?



Just using your logic. Your words, not mine.

Jones still on your mind I see.


It’s a Daniel Jones thread, Dep. On a Giants message board.

I see you’re still thinking about a post from last week. Have you tried getting some hobbies?
Yeah you aren’t obsessed with Jones  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:53 pm : link
And SFGF doesn’t like to drink either.
You seem obsessed with me  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:55 pm : link
It’s ok Dep.

Sorry pointing out Baker has 8 possessions vs Jones’ 7 ruffled your feathers and ruined your Monday.
I mentioned Jones in my post  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:55 pm : link
Did I not?

Sorry your posting backfired. I’ll try not to expose you next time. But don’t worry I’m sure you will quote someone from saying something about Jones in the past soon though.

Pot meet kettle.
You’re the one mad  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:56 pm : link
About something you said in the past.

Not me. Our defense was fine yesterday. Only gave up 21 again. 😀
You’re the one who is mad  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:58 pm : link
I just think it’s weird to be obsessing about it still while claiming other people are obsessed with things.

Ever think of picking up some hobbies?
I didn’t even mention Jones.  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 10:59 pm : link
I mentioned Baker
RE: You’re the one who is mad  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 10:59 pm : link
In comment 16613487 ajr2456 said:
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I just think it’s weird to be obsessing about it still while claiming other people are obsessed with things.

Ever think of picking up some hobbies?


Yeah. Have a bunch. I’m gonna pick up one about saying the same thing about jones 500x a day. Sound good?
Weird that you seem to know how much I post  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 11:00 pm : link
I didn’t even mention Jones and have made like 3 posts today.

Obsessed much, Dep?
RE: Weird that you seem to know how much I post  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 11:01 pm : link
In comment 16613490 ajr2456 said:
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I didn’t even mention Jones and have made like 3 posts today.

Obsessed much, Dep?


Let’s play 18. We probably would have a really good time.
RE: RE: Weird that you seem to know how much I post  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16613493 JT039 said:
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I didn’t even mention Jones and have made like 3 posts today.

Obsessed much, Dep?



Let’s play 18. We probably would have a really good time.


My treat too.
RE: RE: Weird that you seem to know how much I post  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 11:02 pm : link
In comment 16613493 JT039 said:
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I didn’t even mention Jones and have made like 3 posts today.

Obsessed much, Dep?



Let’s play 18. We probably would have a really good time.


No thanks
I'm fucking sick of the mediocrity.  
Anakim : 9/16/2024 11:02 pm : link
Daniel Jones is fucking ass
Lol  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 11:04 pm : link
You take this board too seriously. You can’t even take a little ribbing.

Sorry I won’t tease you anymore. I thought you were somewhat of a man. Guess I was wrong.
Doesnt seem like DJ has the touch for the long ball  
xman : 9/16/2024 11:06 pm : link
I saw two long throws that were way off the mark
RE: Lol  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 11:09 pm : link
In comment 16613508 JT039 said:
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You take this board too seriously. You can’t even take a little ribbing.

Sorry I won’t tease you anymore. I thought you were somewhat of a man. Guess I was wrong.


Are you drunk? What are you even babbling on about
I apologized  
JT039 : 9/16/2024 11:09 pm : link
Nothing more, nothing less.
Ok Dep  
ajr2456 : 9/16/2024 11:17 pm : link
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RE: He had 6 drives  
BlueHurricane : 9/16/2024 11:25 pm : link
In comment 16613214 JT039 said:
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3 were TDs
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out

He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.

And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.


Good post but this type of talk won't fly here. The entire group wants the guy to fail miserably. Sad state of the fan base.

The reality is that everything about this organization sucks. Hammering Jones week in and week out is tired. He is one part of a really humongous issue. This franchise is rotten at every level. This isn't the week to shit on Jones. Shit on the way the roster is constructed this week. Shit on the fact they invent new ways to lose games every year. Take a week off from shitting on the QB. Singletary holds on to the ball and Nabers catches the 4th down east catch and they most likely win the game.


RE: The entire Org  
4xchamps : 9/16/2024 11:27 pm : link
In comment 16613247 Devour the Day said:
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From the owner, to GM and HC, the team and even the shill announcers this team is becoming an absolute embarrassment.
Remember the Coughlin phrase…..Giants Pride; it is so far from it.


And you forgot a-hole fans like yourself. Add that to you list...
RE: RE: 6.3 YPA  
Go Terps : 9/16/2024 11:39 pm : link
In comment 16613460 cosmicj said:
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.

Raise the standards already.



That stat is not affected by the low number of drives. It’s an ok YPA for DJ, but a bit below avg for him through 2022.

I’ll say it: I’m not sure Jones can still play at an NFL level.


There are 90-ish QBs on NFL teams. If you ranked them all Jones probably falls into the 40-50 range. That's what the idiots running the Giants decided to pay.
RE: Jones was ok  
Joey in VA : 9/16/2024 11:57 pm : link
In comment 16613462 JonC said:
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He left some throws on the field, which could've sustained drives. With a kicker, the Giants probably put 27 on the board, albeit against a bad defense.

Low standards here for QB.
This. He left a few out there, played pocket aware and made some good stuff happen. Tuck it away and look for more improvements next week. It's a long season, declaring it over already is just being a panicky 3rd grader who hates math. It's one week, one game. Judge the result and move on with hope. It's not a bad way to live honestly. I've been jobless for 6 weeks and it sucks but I wake up each day hopeful and every Sunday I'm hopeful we improve. You can't change anything by constantly whining and demeaning everything because you have ZERO power to change anything. You can't kill yourself over what you can't control and quite frankly it's unhealthy to do do. I almost died learning that lesson in 2015. Have your say, I'll always defend that right, but grinding yourself to a nub for millionaires who play for a spoiled billionaire family? Is it worth the aggravation and vitriole towards anyone who disagrees? It's not. I've been fighting that battle my entire adult life
The offense only had the ball for 22 minutes  
Rudy5757 : 9/17/2024 12:22 am : link
I mean it would have been 21 point and probably at least 27 points with the mistakes. 22 minutes is ridiculous.

Minnesota beat the 49ers so maybe they are not that bad of a team.

Daniel Jones did play well. He didn’t play great but he played well and should have won the game. He made the plays to win the game and his teammates lost it, the coaches lost it and the D was terrible forcing no punts and no turnovers.

Hating on Jones in every thread is old. Find something else to talk about. Winey bitches about Jones every thread every day. No one can have a thought without Jones being brought up by the same people screwing every thread. It’s the same posters over and over ruining the site.

SFGFNCGiantsFan you are one of the main thread killers, you can’t control yourself on every thread bringing up how much you hate Jones. How about you go a week without mentioning him. I’d bet you can’t. Even if the Giants won this game by 30 you’d still rant about your hate for Jones.
DJ played well on Sunday.  
DeVito32 : 9/17/2024 12:49 am : link
He didn’t play great, he played a good game. He played good enough to win. Drops by Nabers and Slayton and the fumble by Singletary were killers. I don’t care if he makes $40 mil, or 100k. He played good enough to win.

We all know he’s a bottom tier QB. We all know it’s a bad contract. We all know he’ll be off the team next year.

The bigger concern is the defense is awful. 99yd drive last week. Couldn’t get off the field. This week same thing. 40min TOP. If it wasn’t for Wash OL having several penalties, they would’ve blown us out.

Most of the defense is signed for next year and beyond. They need to play a lot better.
RE: …  
Ron Johnson : 9/17/2024 4:53 am : link
In comment 16613306 christian said:
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I'm solidly skeptical of Jones, but he played well. There's no reason to deny that.

Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.



There is no reason. So why do they do it?
FWIW, while I certainly  
section125 : 9/17/2024 6:02 am : link
want to move on, I thought this was his best game in a long time. He actually looked like a functional NFL QB. He moved like a functional QB. He took deep shots(inaccurate but at least overthrows).
Frankly I was surprised he was only 16/28. Thought he had a better completion percentage.

Doesn't mean I want to keep him. We have been down that road. But he was completely different than the guy from the week before.
RE: FWIW, while I certainly  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 6:08 am : link
In comment 16613676 section125 said:
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want to move on, I thought this was his best game in a long time. He actually looked like a functional NFL QB. He moved like a functional QB. He took deep shots(inaccurate but at least overthrows).
Frankly I was surprised he was only 16/28. Thought he had a better completion percentage.

Doesn't mean I want to keep him. We have been down that road. But he was completely different than the guy from the week before.


The ones here who spend their lives on here shitting on him will never admit he played well. They are obsessed with him. Their lives revolve around telling people Jones sucks.

Guess what he does suck and should be gone after the year but he played more than well enough to win Sunday. Only if we had a competent coach and defense.
Justin Fields and Malik Willis played  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 6:12 am : link
Great then too?
RE: Justin Fields and Malik Willis played  
section125 : 9/17/2024 6:14 am : link
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Great then too?


Who?
RE: RE: Justin Fields and Malik Willis played  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 6:20 am : link
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Great then too?



Who?


lol see they can’t help themselves. Their main goal in life is to shit on Jones or anything that says anything positive about him.

I mean I really don’t give a fuck if Willis or Fields played well. I didn’t watch their games. It looks like Willis did. But I do know their coach was smart enough to have a healthy kicker on both teams and their defense didn’t let the other team score on every possession.

But I have to check with the experts if those things affect a game.
RE: RE: RE: Justin Fields and Malik Willis played  
Ron Johnson : 9/17/2024 6:36 am : link
In comment 16613682 JT039 said:
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Great then too?



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lol see they can’t help themselves. Their main goal in life is to shit on Jones or anything that says anything positive about him.

I mean I really don’t give a fuck if Willis or Fields played well. I didn’t watch their games. It looks like Willis did. But I do know their coach was smart enough to have a healthy kicker on both teams and their defense didn’t let the other team score on every possession.

But I have to check with the experts if those things affect a game.




Maybe there’s a secret decoder ring to figure out when the numbers tell the story and when they don’t
Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
HardTruth : 9/17/2024 6:38 am : link
We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on
RE: Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
section125 : 9/17/2024 6:43 am : link
In comment 16613686 HardTruth said:
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on


Simplify the offense. You know this how?

Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
RE: Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
HardTruth : 9/17/2024 6:43 am : link
In comment 16613686 HardTruth said:
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on



Just look at the difference with a real QB and its not to compare players

Theres alot of talk amongst Jets fans that Rodgers was changing things and shifting protections at the LOS and how this was like nothing thry have seen after years of Wilson & Darnold and how it helped win the game

Imagine that. A QB who can not just take advantage of the defense but cause it to happen?

As opposed to our QB who in his own words “Coach Daboll told me what to do and like always I followed the plan” and the offense needs to be tailored to his limitations
RE: RE: Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
HardTruth : 9/17/2024 6:44 am : link
In comment 16613687 section125 said:
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on



Simplify the offense. You know this how?

Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.


Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
As the Four Tops once sang I believe  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 6:46 am : link
They can’t help themselves…. They hate Jones and nobody else…
RE: RE: RE: Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 6:47 am : link
In comment 16613689 HardTruth said:
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on



Simplify the offense. You know this how?

Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.



Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1


So being that we moved the ball at will - the sets worked? Hmm, good catch!
RE: RE: RE: Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
section125 : 9/17/2024 6:48 am : link
In comment 16613689 HardTruth said:
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In comment 16613686 HardTruth said:


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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on



Simplify the offense. You know this how?

Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.



Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1


Has nothing to do with the opposing defense, right? Kafka didn't look at the defense WFT runs and then chose how to attack it? No he decide Jones is a dumbass and made his plan regardless of the defense...

RE: Yeah you aren’t obsessed with Jones  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2024 6:53 am : link
In comment 16613480 JT039 said:
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And SFGF doesn’t like to drink either.


That's unfair. I haven't had a beer since 7 PM Sunday at the Bruce festival, Haha.
RE: RE: Yeah you aren’t obsessed with Jones  
Sean : 9/17/2024 6:55 am : link
In comment 16613696 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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And SFGF doesn’t like to drink either.



That's unfair. I haven't had a beer since 7 PM Sunday at the Bruce festival, Haha.

You saw a helluva setlist.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Do people not understand the basics of Jones?  
HardTruth : 9/17/2024 6:56 am : link
In comment 16613692 section125 said:
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team

This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us

We are putting training wheels on



Simplify the offense. You know this how?

Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.



Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1



Has nothing to do with the opposing defense, right? Kafka didn't look at the defense WFT runs and then chose how to attack it? No he decide Jones is a dumbass and made his plan regardless of the defense...


Whatever you say man. Ive got 62 games and 6 years to go on . Enjoy the week of pounding the table about 178 yds and 2 TDs in a loss. We all know where this is going by end of October
Pounding the table?  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 7:00 am : link
By saying Jones played well on Sunday?

What would you call starting dozen of threads and thousands of posts that he sucks then?
RE: Pounding the table?  
HardTruth : 9/17/2024 7:27 am : link
In comment 16613699 JT039 said:
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By saying Jones played well on Sunday?

What would you call starting dozen of threads and thousands of posts that he sucks then?


The truth
RE: RE: RE: Jones may have played well but  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 7:28 am : link
In comment 16613471 JT039 said:
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.



Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?



lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.


How would a first down in a tie game have iced said game, with us unable to kick a field goal? Nabers’ drop stopped a drive in a tie game. It would not have won us the game.
This is becoming another one of those  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 7:37 am : link
Multiple things can be true at once things. There are several things that are true in this thread, and the argument stems from people taking the one they like and yelling it louder than the one they don’t like.

1. Jones played well on Sunday. Not perfect, but he played well. He was good on the short throws and not so good on the long ones, but he gave us a chance to win against a bad defense.

2. The Giants need to find a QB who can run the offense and score points against teams with something other than horrible defenses. Jones isn’t that guy.
Sean.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2024 7:39 am : link
When ‘Racing in the Street’ started, I knew this was an epic performance.

He’s the best.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones may have played well but  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 7:47 am : link
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.



Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?



lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.



How would a first down in a tie game have iced said game, with us unable to kick a field goal? Nabers’ drop stopped a drive in a tie game. It would not have won us the game.


I didn’t say. Thunder did. But we both can agree the drop was a big part of the game.
“Well enough” and “great”  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 7:53 am : link
Are not the same thing
I think it's relatively uncontroversial to say  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 7:53 am : link
Daniel Jones was fine on Sunday against Washington. He wasn't great (that would've required hitting on some of those deep throws) nor was he terrible (there was one throw that was obviously terrible and lucky he wasn't picked off); he was fine. He suffered from some drops, but otherwise played a solid game against an a horrible defense.

Now the question is so what? If acknowledging that fact is largely a test of someone's capacity to tell the truth or be tethered to reality, then I think nearly all Jones critics would pass it. I dont' really see anyone saying Jones was bad on Sunday.

So, then the question becomes so what? What's the significance of this game from Jones? Has it moved the needle in any infinitesimal or meaningful way about our prospects of becoming a consistent, winning team with an explosive passing offense with him? I think you'd have to be Dr. Pangloss to think so.

Then finally the question moves to how should we think about Carl Banks's statement, given his employer and the general polyannish attitude of this franchise? I think at the bare minimum, it's a little troubling to see them describing Sunday's performance as "Hats off" worthy.
Jones played fine, a nice solid game and that is great  
Andy in Halifax : 9/17/2024 8:01 am : link
But how low does the bar have to be for us to celebrate that game? I am glad he looked much better, but that was just a decent game from an NFL QB. I just don't think it was really worthy of a "hats off to Daniel Jones". But if CB is trying to build confidence for him, have at it.

I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
He did play a good game.  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2024 8:01 am : link
HC even said it. I don't see an issue with a former great Giant supporting a current Giant who was under intense scrutiny and responded positively.

Not a great game for the Jones attacks imv. Let it build for another day.
RE: Jones played fine, a nice solid game and that is great  
Mike from Ohio : 9/17/2024 8:15 am : link
In comment 16613741 Andy in Halifax said:
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But how low does the bar have to be for us to celebrate that game? I am glad he looked much better, but that was just a decent game from an NFL QB. I just don't think it was really worthy of a "hats off to Daniel Jones". But if CB is trying to build confidence for him, have at it.

I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.


If Jones were a good QB you would have not gotten a “hats off to Daniel Jones” for that game. It was only because he has been so bad that that kind of game gets praise. It was an outlier performance for Jones, which is what drew the praise.
I Wish Jones Was the Only Problem  
Jeffrey : 9/17/2024 8:24 am : link
with this team. This entire organization is the problem. He's a problem for sure--but only one on a long list. Nothing changes with this organization.

Ten years to now find a OL we hope will rise to the level of medicore. Quality players, like Lawrence and Thomas waste their prime years waiting for the team to surround them with talent. Defense cannot tackle--again. Defense cannot stop the run-again. Coaching malpractice--again. Giant fans wait every game for the inevitable mistake--the pick 6, the fumble, the dropped pass or the missed coverage. Who among us watches a game expecting the break to go our way? It's a loop that this organization has not figured out how to break in a decade.
RE: RE: Jones played fine, a nice solid game and that is great  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 8:27 am : link
In comment 16613758 Mike from Ohio said:
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But how low does the bar have to be for us to celebrate that game? I am glad he looked much better, but that was just a decent game from an NFL QB. I just don't think it was really worthy of a "hats off to Daniel Jones". But if CB is trying to build confidence for him, have at it.

I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.



If Jones were a good QB you would have not gotten a “hats off to Daniel Jones” for that game. It was only because he has been so bad that that kind of game gets praise. It was an outlier performance for Jones, which is what drew the praise.


Did Jones play well? Yes. Was it a performance worthy of celebration? No
Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
logman : 9/17/2024 8:45 am : link
He also didn't really do anything to win them the game the way you'd expect someone in his position to do
RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 8:48 am : link
In comment 16613786 logman said:
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He also didn't really do anything to win them the game the way you'd expect someone in his position to do


Like leading a game tying TD drive in the fourth and leading them into the red zone for a chance to win the game?
If he was closer on some of those deep balls  
Mark from Jersey : 9/17/2024 8:56 am : link
I could agree. I feel like only one was in a spot that Nabers was close to...the others were way off. Not a bad game but I wouldnt say very well.
Again  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 9:02 am : link
Given the pathetic quality of opponent, if this were another QB, would you really say it rose higher than an adequate, functional performance?

If that excites you, then I guess "hats off to you"
RE: Again  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 9:17 am : link
In comment 16613805 Greg from LI said:
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Given the pathetic quality of opponent, if this were another QB, would you really say it rose higher than an adequate, functional performance?

If that excites you, then I guess "hats off to you"


What's funny is that historically Jones doesn't just play well against bad defense, he destroys them (rookie year, Vikings playoff win). The same people who like to prop up those games as "the real Daniel" are now the ones saying we should be happy that he was a functional QB on Sunday.

It's amazing how low the bar is
a ha!  
The Jake : 9/17/2024 9:25 am : link
so this is where the remnants of the DJFC is hiding.

newsflash boys - DJ did not play great, well, or even OK on Sunday. he fulfilled his role as a don't-lose-the-game-for-us game manager. he reached peak Elvis Grbac! so yeah, he didn't lose the game for us! woohoo! somehow, that translates to "Daniel played well on Sunday." you mean the guy who led us to 18 points against one of the worst teams in the league?

I think you doofuses forgot what good QB play looks like, but here's a hint - a good QB reads defenses. he looks around the field and finds the open man. he confuses defenses. he makes plays DOWN the field. he CREATES opportunities. he has strong pocket presence and field vision. and most importantly, a good QB elevates the play of the folks around him.

this is not a good or great or even decent QB. this is the worst QB in the entire league. the single worst starter out of 32 teams, and probably worse than many teams' backup QB.

the ONLY people on planet Earth that think this guy is a good QB are the BBI DJFC, John Mara, and Daniel's grandma. that's it. everyone else has moved on.
In sports, "hats off" recognizes exemplary/important performance  
The Mike : 9/17/2024 9:27 am : link
It is not to recognize random average performance. The issue here is that Carl Banks seems to be asserting that "hats off", in the legendary words of Joe Maddon, means "trying not to suck". DJ didn't suck on Sunday, so therefore he believes it was a "hats off" moment.

When I think of a "hats off" moment for Eli, the Super Bowls and NFC Championship games come to mind. I don't think of the 2006 Dallas home game he lost 23-20 and threw for two touchdowns. Frankly, he would say it was an "I didn't do enough to win moment" and I would say it was "who gives a crap about the quarterback moment?" It was a fucking loss!

The debate here is not whether DJ had a good game. It is, 1) how low of a bar is "exemplary performance" for DJ to warrant a "hats off" commendation, and 2) how much of a boot licking shill for this organization has Carl Banks become?
lol  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 9:43 am : link
same voices, different threads. No chance of seeing the picture in front of them.

It's just really really sad to see.

If you say Jones played well in ONE game, now all of a sudden your a Jones fan in hiding or use the same fucking dumb moniker. It's sad.

What if we said Jones sucked last week and needs to be replaced. What kind of fan are we? This is all so confusing. Too many experts here to get stories straight.
What are you trying to accomplish  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 9:47 am : link
JT? What's the point you're trying to make? What is the significance of Jones's uncontroversially "good/fine" game? Is to point out Jones's critics as obsessive or barely tethered to reality? How? Nearly all of them have said he played fine. Is it that they discount the significance of the performance? How should we read it? Should this game matter given the sample size? How do you read the sample size?

You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
logman : 9/17/2024 9:48 am : link
In comment 16613790 JT039 said:
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He also didn't really do anything to win them the game the way you'd expect someone in his position to do



Like leading a game tying TD drive in the fourth and leading them into the red zone for a chance to win the game?


No. I mean putting the game away early so that it's not a nail-biter. WAS is a team that 6 year, $40M vet should have been able to light up, and he didn't. Barely putting your team in a position to maybe win if things go the way you hope is NOT the performance of an alleged franchise QB.

I find it amazing how many fans have allowed themselves to be bullshitted into thinking mediocrity is acceptable.
RE: What are you trying to accomplish  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 9:49 am : link
In comment 16613871 Ash_3 said:
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JT? What's the point you're trying to make? What is the significance of Jones's uncontroversially "good/fine" game? Is to point out Jones's critics as obsessive or barely tethered to reality? How? Nearly all of them have said he played fine. Is it that they discount the significance of the performance? How should we read it? Should this game matter given the sample size? How do you read the sample size?

You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.


I dont get frustrated over a game that I have no control over. When the Giants lose - I find my kids, play outside, maybe follow my fantasy team. Make dinner.

The point is simple.

Jones sucks and shouldnt be our starter in the future, but he played a good game Sunday.

The trolls on this board cant handle that, which is why you see them saying the same shit over and over and over and over...... well you get the picture.
Jones was adequate  
rsjem1979 : 9/17/2024 9:49 am : link
Kudos to him for not being the reason the Giants lost.

If that performance is deserving of a "hats off" acknowledgement from a Giants homer, it's pretty sad but that's the low bar the QB is apparently expected to clear.

It's a waste of time to evaluate Jones on that scale week-to-week when it's obvious that he's just not the guy, never was, and never will be.
RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 9:52 am : link
In comment 16613873 logman said:
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No. I mean putting the game away early so that it's not a nail-biter.


Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that? Telling Singletary to not fumble? Kick extra points? Make a tackle on 3rd and long?

Using cliche sayings doesnt make your point right.

Again 6 drives
3 TDs
One ending on a fumble
One ending on a perfect pass that was dropped
one 3 and out.

If you want to blame him for the 3 and out that hurt us having a chance to win the game - I guess?

But again, you are placing direct blame om Jones when our defensive let them score on EVERY possession AND we had no kicker.

But 18 points!! Look at his stats!!!

Spare me.
What is your definition of "well", dep?  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 9:52 am : link
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RE: RE: What are you trying to accomplish  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 9:52 am : link
In comment 16613876 JT039 said:
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JT? What's the point you're trying to make? What is the significance of Jones's uncontroversially "good/fine" game? Is to point out Jones's critics as obsessive or barely tethered to reality? How? Nearly all of them have said he played fine. Is it that they discount the significance of the performance? How should we read it? Should this game matter given the sample size? How do you read the sample size?

You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.



I dont get frustrated over a game that I have no control over. When the Giants lose - I find my kids, play outside, maybe follow my fantasy team. Make dinner.

The point is simple.

Jones sucks and shouldnt be our starter in the future, but he played a good game Sunday.

The trolls on this board cant handle that, which is why you see them saying the same shit over and over and over and over...... well you get the picture.


I suppose you just dislike the people on this thread, because their responses to Jones's game are not to say he was bad, but rather to be concerned about what "hats off" or huge praise from an employee of a media outlet known to be homers might mean for our future with Jones. Management has not shown any willingness to move off Jones despite more than enough evidence that he's at best a bottom 1/3 starter. So the reasonable (note not incontestable) conclusion to draw is that management will severely outweigh fine to good performance an severely discount bad performances.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
logman : 9/17/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16613882 JT039 said:
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Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that?


He's had 6 years to figure that out how to overcome his teammates mistakes. Why hasn't he? Why is is always his teammates on the hook to bail out his mistakes?

Again, he didn't cost them the game, and in DJ's evaluation, that's a plus. If you're cool with the bare minimal of expectations from a 6 year $40M veteran QB, that's wholly on you.

Some people like the taste of shit
An NFL offense  
Blueworm : 9/17/2024 9:56 am : link
Should not be running 2 man patterns this much.

There are other things to point out.

The personnel groups are managing the shortcomings instead of exploiting mismatched.
RE: What is your definition of  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16613884 Greg from LI said:
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Putting your team in a chance to win with your play - which he most certainly did. But if you dont agree - ill have rnargi bitchslap you again.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
logman : 9/17/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16613882 JT039 said:
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But again, you are placing direct blame om Jones when our defensive let them score on EVERY possession AND we had no kicker.

But 18 points!! Look at his stats!!!

Spare me.


Where did I do that? Quote me. You can't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16613893 logman said:
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Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that?



He's had 6 years to figure that out how to overcome his teammates mistakes. Why hasn't he? Why is is always his teammates on the hook to bail out his mistakes?



His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.
DJ played ok  
Larry from WV : 9/17/2024 9:59 am : link
DJ did not play up to his contract nor elevate the play around him. If that is his best it changes nothing.
I think this thread is best understood as concern  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 10:00 am : link
over how management might construe this data point rather than the data point itself. And that imho is a valid concern.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
logman : 9/17/2024 10:00 am : link
In comment 16613898 JT039 said:
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His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.


So you are conceding that Jones is not a good enough QB to overcome teammates mistakes, nor put them in a position that requiring a bailout be necessary at all.

I aree.
And if you need to see  
Blueworm : 9/17/2024 10:01 am : link
The pass plays where it is one pass only -no read, they can be pointed out.

If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:02 am : link
In comment 16613901 logman said:
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His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.



So you are conceding that Jones is not a good enough QB to overcome teammates mistakes, nor put them in a position that requiring a bailout be necessary at all.

I aree.


lol, your comment makes absolutely zero sense. What did you want him to do specifically? He led his team to a go ahead TD in the fourth quarter and was leading him to a potential go ahead score to end the game. Its the pure definition of overcoming his teammates mistakes Sunday.

Holy shit, we are one fucking clueless fan base.

You do understand we were in that position because our defense got ZERO stops and we had NO kicker. And yet he still moved us down the field at will?
RE: RE: What is your definition of  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 10:03 am : link
In comment 16613895 JT039 said:
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Putting your team in a chance to win with your play - which he most certainly did. But if you dont agree - ill have rnargi bitchslap you again.


HAHAHAHA...ooooh, you and marge are going to gang up on me? How intimidating!!



Did he make impressive throws? Connect on some bombs? Or did he dump the ball off to Nabers a bunch of times and Nabers gained a bunch of yards because he's supremely talented?
RE: And if you need to see  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:03 am : link
In comment 16613902 Blueworm said:
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The pass plays where it is one pass only -no read, they can be pointed out.

If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.


All i said was he played well/good or whatever on Sunday. You're the one still assessing blame on him for thigns out of his control. Pretty sad if you ask me. Others are using 6 years of poor play for whatever reason.

People cant concetrate on what happened just on Sunday on why we lost. Their Jones hate obsession controls their lives.
You have gotten triggered  
logman : 9/17/2024 10:04 am : link
because I said Jones wasn't the reason they lost and that's still not good enough for you dipshits to stop insisting everyone else suck his cock

Enjoy your meal on your own
RE: RE: RE: What is your definition of  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16613909 Greg from LI said:
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Putting your team in a chance to win with your play - which he most certainly did. But if you dont agree - ill have rnargi bitchslap you again.



HAHAHAHA...ooooh, you and marge are going to gang up on me? How intimidating!!



Did he make impressive throws? Connect on some bombs? Or did he dump the ball off to Nabers a bunch of times and Nabers gained a bunch of yards because he's supremely talented?


Poor baby, he made good throws to an open guy and that makes you sad. I am glad youre still posting and being a miserable fuck. Same schtick, different year.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/17/2024 10:05 am : link
Jones had a good game against an awful defense. But sub 200 yards, 6.3 YPA isn't great. It's fine.

Look at the throws other QBs make week in and week out. Stroud made some incredible throws Sunday night, for example. Jones doesn't do that because he sucks.
RE: RE: And if you need to see  
Blueworm : 9/17/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16613910 JT039 said:
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The pass plays where it is one pass only -no read, they can be pointed out.

If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.




All i said was he played well/good or whatever on Sunday. You're the one still assessing blame on him for thigns out of his control. Pretty sad if you ask me. Others are using 6 years of poor play for whatever reason.

People cant concetrate on what happened just on Sunday on why we lost. Their Jones hate obsession controls their lives.


No, I am pointing out that this is not a full NFL offense.

Playing well in a simplified offense is not good enough for our $40M man.
At that renumeration, he needs to be better.
Look I think Daniel Jones stinks  
Essex : 9/17/2024 10:06 am : link
but the dude basically scored if he had a kicker 21 points in 20 minutes. That is good football. Does this mean, he should be our QB, G-D NO!, but it was a fine game for him. Not perfect, as I have said, but definitely he did what he needed to do for us to win. It was his RB and star WR who made a fumble and a drop. We had 1 3 and out and the rest were good drives. You cannot be blind even if you don't think Jones is any good (like I do!).

This thread is getting stupid.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones didn't do anything to cost them the game  
barens : 9/17/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16613906 JT039 said:
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His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.



So you are conceding that Jones is not a good enough QB to overcome teammates mistakes, nor put them in a position that requiring a bailout be necessary at all.

I aree.



lol, your comment makes absolutely zero sense. What did you want him to do specifically? He led his team to a go ahead TD in the fourth quarter and was leading him to a potential go ahead score to end the game. Its the pure definition of overcoming his teammates mistakes Sunday.

Holy shit, we are one fucking clueless fan base.

You do understand we were in that position because our defense got ZERO stops and we had NO kicker. And yet he still moved us down the field at will?


Yeah, we are quickly becoming one of the shittiest fan bases around. Even the hate for Papa and Banks for being "Company Men" boggles my mind and makes me think we are at peak stupidity.
RE: You have gotten triggered  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16613913 logman said:
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because I said Jones wasn't the reason they lost and that's still not good enough for you dipshits to stop insisting everyone else suck his cock

Enjoy your meal on your own


Time to sit this one out. You proved nothing other than that you have zero to littel football knowledge. God damn Jones should have told Nabers how to catch that 4th down pass!
RE: RE: And if you need to see  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16613910 JT039 said:
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The pass plays where it is one pass only -no read, they can be pointed out.

If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.




All i said was he played well/good or whatever on Sunday. You're the one still assessing blame on him for thigns out of his control. Pretty sad if you ask me. Others are using 6 years of poor play for whatever reason.

People cant concetrate on what happened just on Sunday on why we lost. Their Jones hate obsession controls their lives.


It's very useful being present for some things. You listed some of them Dep; your children's soccer games, a date night with your wife, a beautiful rainbow.

There is no point in appreciating a fine/solid performance by Daniel Jones against a bad defense. There's no point in denigrating it either. It was meaningless. Profoundly meaningless.
Effective enough? Sure  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 10:07 am : link
Impressive performance against a bottom-of-the-barrel defense? Not really.

It was similar to his mediocrity in 2022 that people like you gushed over. Not bad, not great, but adequate. Pop those champagne corks.
RE: Look I think Daniel Jones stinks  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16613919 Essex said:
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but the dude basically scored if he had a kicker 21 points in 20 minutes. That is good football. Does this mean, he should be our QB, G-D NO!, but it was a fine game for him. Not perfect, as I have said, but definitely he did what he needed to do for us to win. It was his RB and star WR who made a fumble and a drop. We had 1 3 and out and the rest were good drives. You cannot be blind even if you don't think Jones is any good (like I do!).

This thread is getting stupid.


Exactly.
Update the banner.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/17/2024 10:07 am : link
RE: RE: You have gotten triggered  
logman : 9/17/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16613921 JT039 said:
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because I said Jones wasn't the reason they lost and that's still not good enough for you dipshits to stop insisting everyone else suck his cock

Enjoy your meal on your own



Time to sit this one out. You proved nothing other than that you have zero to littel football knowledge. God damn Jones should have told Nabers how to catch that 4th down pass!


Slurp
RE: Update the banner.  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 10:07 am : link
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100%
lol  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:08 am : link
you must be hanging with some other members of this board if you're slurping on something....
RE: lol  
logman : 9/17/2024 10:09 am : link
In comment 16613929 JT039 said:
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you must be hanging with some other members of this board if you're slurping on something....


I'm sorry. Was your response just a version of "I know you are, but what am I?"

Are you 12?

dep is obsessed with Jones  
Go Terps : 9/17/2024 10:09 am : link
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RE: Update the banner.  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 10:10 am : link
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RE: dep is obsessed with Jones  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:10 am : link
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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Daniel Jones lives inside your mind all day every day. The obsession is real. I was really hope the giants won to start the year so you could run and cry again. Fakest fan by far on this site.
RE: Update the banner.  
logman : 9/17/2024 10:10 am : link
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No lies
Saying Jones had an okay game  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 10:11 am : link
But it wasn't a hats off performance = hating him and blaming him for the loss

But there isn't a fanclub *eyeroll*
And there it is  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 10:12 am : link
all of this is simply a proxy debate for what sort of fan one should be, which is such a fucking pointless debate.

If you want to enjoy the rare Jones performance that is fine or solid the way you a wonderful almond croissant on a crisp fall day, then have at it.

But it's perfectly fine to take a different view of the significance of Jones's performance and how to process it.
We’re getting close to Dep making a Jones version  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:12 am : link
If his Eli Revenge Tour thread
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2024 10:13 am : link
This is weird. As I said in the OP, Jones was fine Sunday. He wasn’t the reason they lost.

But ‘really good’ as Carl opined? No fucking way. And if Banks is saying this, I have no doubt others inside the organization think the same about Jones. Year six and we have pom pom wavers like Papa and Banks selling this shit to the fan base. It isn’t even about Jones anymore. He sucks…everyone knows that. It’s more about the clowns running this team who probably believe Jones was masterful vs. WFT.
RE: We’re getting close to Dep making a Jones version  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 10:13 am : link
In comment 16613941 ajr2456 said:
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If his Eli Revenge Tour thread


Somewhere out there, Britt just frowned but doesn't know why
RE: We’re getting close to Dep making a Jones version  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:14 am : link
In comment 16613941 ajr2456 said:
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If his Eli Revenge Tour thread


Of the* that should say
Here they all come  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:14 am : link
Saying Jones played a good game and the trolls who are obsessed about Jones come running.

Sometimes its too easy. I always said Eric should start a counseling service for the people who are only here to bash the QB and troll the board. He would rake in tons of money.

They are all out in full force now. I would call it the meeting of the minds, but its more like the meeting of the mindless....

Daniel Jones lives inside your guys heads. hahahaha
I just wish  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:15 am : link
we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
Golly, dep, why on earth would anyone dislike Daniel Jones?  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 10:15 am : link
What could possibly be the reason?

The actually interesting question is, why was anyone ever a cheerleader for such an obviously subpar quarterback?
Someone needs counseling, definitely  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:15 am : link
How do you find the time to post the same thing 500 times in this thread?
RE: Here they all come  
Ash_3 : 9/17/2024 10:16 am : link
In comment 16613947 JT039 said:
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Saying Jones played a good game and the trolls who are obsessed about Jones come running.

Sometimes its too easy. I always said Eric should start a counseling service for the people who are only here to bash the QB and troll the board. He would rake in tons of money.

They are all out in full force now. I would call it the meeting of the minds, but its more like the meeting of the mindless....

Daniel Jones lives inside your guys heads. hahahaha


I recall your defense of Eli in the final 2-3 years of his career when it was evident he was in serious serious decline. I found that defense understandable as a matter of sentiment since Eli won us two rings and is a legend and it's hard to be ruthless when it comes to someone like him.

What has Jones deserved to get even a sliver of the same defense? Or is the point not defending Jones but the psychological proclivities of people who think he's been one of the three major causes of the Giants' ineptitude over the past 5+ years?
RE: Someone needs counseling, definitely  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:17 am : link
In comment 16613951 ajr2456 said:
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How do you find the time to post the same thing 500 times in this thread?


learned from you. I told you last night it was my new hobby. Nobody post utter BS more continuously than you. I learned from the best.

You are a great teacher.
RE: Saying Jones had an okay game  
Essex : 9/17/2024 10:17 am : link
In comment 16613938 Scooter185 said:
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But it wasn't a hats off performance = hating him and blaming him for the loss

But there isn't a fanclub *eyeroll*


Is this really the argument though? I don't think I am arguing with people who want to criticize Jones for Sunday. There were some things I did not love, the first TD throw to Nabers was behind him, the missed two point conversion although Slayton should have had it, the throw could have been better. He really relied on Nabers a lot and nobody else got involved. So, yeah it wasn't perfect, but what are we even talking about. He did what he needed to do for his team to win. The rest of the team, looking primarily at the defense was the cause of the loss and some unforced errors by players who played great games (Singletary and Nabers).
RE: RE: Here they all come  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:18 am : link
In comment 16613953 Ash_3 said:
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In comment 16613947 JT039 said:


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Saying Jones played a good game and the trolls who are obsessed about Jones come running.

Sometimes its too easy. I always said Eric should start a counseling service for the people who are only here to bash the QB and troll the board. He would rake in tons of money.

They are all out in full force now. I would call it the meeting of the minds, but its more like the meeting of the mindless....

Daniel Jones lives inside your guys heads. hahahaha



I recall your defense of Eli in the final 2-3 years of his career when it was evident he was in serious serious decline. I found that defense understandable as a matter of sentiment since Eli won us two rings and is a legend and it's hard to be ruthless when it comes to someone like him.

What has Jones deserved to get even a sliver of the same defense? Or is the point not defending Jones but the psychological proclivities of people who think he's been one of the three major causes of the Giants' ineptitude over the past 5+ years?


I said he played well in 1 game. And have said throughout last year and the draft process - I wanted a QB. But since i dont post it 500 times a day in multiple threads like a lot of these posters - you may not have seen it.
RE: I just wish  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:19 am : link
In comment 16613948 JT039 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.


5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
RE: RE: Someone needs counseling, definitely  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:19 am : link
In comment 16613954 JT039 said:
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How do you find the time to post the same thing 500 times in this thread?



learned from you. I told you last night it was my new hobby. Nobody post utter BS more continuously than you. I learned from the best.

You are a great teacher.


lol, sure Dep.
RE: RE: I just wish  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:19 am : link
In comment 16613961 ajr2456 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.


I agree - the defense was more than just "fine" last week. They really kept us in the game and gave us a chance to win the game.
RE: RE: RE: Someone needs counseling, definitely  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:20 am : link
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lol


You're the best at it. Please take the compliment. No one post more BS and nonsense than you as frequesntly as you do. You're the inside man for this board. You are an inspiration for us all.
welcome back  
The Jake : 9/17/2024 10:21 am : link
dipper!
RE: RE: RE: RE: Someone needs counseling, definitely  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:21 am : link
In comment 16613967 JT039 said:
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lol



You're the best at it. Please take the compliment. No one post more BS and nonsense than you as frequesntly as you do. You're the inside man for this board. You are an inspiration for us all.


How long til you make a new username?
You dont take compliments or apologies  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 10:22 am : link
well. I will try to do better.
RE: RE: Saying Jones had an okay game  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 10:24 am : link
In comment 16613955 Essex said:
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But it wasn't a hats off performance = hating him and blaming him for the loss

But there isn't a fanclub *eyeroll*



Is this really the argument though? I don't think I am arguing with people who want to criticize Jones for Sunday. There were some things I did not love, the first TD throw to Nabers was behind him, the missed two point conversion although Slayton should have had it, the throw could have been better. He really relied on Nabers a lot and nobody else got involved. So, yeah it wasn't perfect, but what are we even talking about. He did what he needed to do for his team to win. The rest of the team, looking primarily at the defense was the cause of the loss and some unforced errors by players who played great games (Singletary and Nabers).


Jones did what he needed to yes. But was it a performance to be heralded? Apparently saying it's not has some posters (not you, Essex) triggered
Jones Actually Played Well on Sunday  
Jim in Tampa : 9/17/2024 10:39 am : link
I've never been a Jones fan and I still think we need a new QB (especially given Jones's contract) but I do think that he played well.

Sy's review is now up and he thinks Jones played well too. Here is what he said about Jones:

After a week one to forget, he bounced back and put this team in position to win. That is the first job of a quarterback, and he got it done. When looking at the details of his game – the factors that impact wins and losses the most (turnovers, sacks, explosive plays, and penalties) Jones’ performance was taken to an even higher level. Not one turnover, he took just one sack for three yards, he passed for three explosive plays 20+ yard gains). The mis-fire metric that I discussed last week was down from a week ago by an incredible margin. I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires). He was one of 9 quarterbacks league wide to finish with a 100+ passer rating. He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes.

So, the numbers look great in contrast to where Jones started off week one. Beyond that, I was pleased with the decisiveness overall feel in the pocket.
RE: RE: I just wish  
Essex : 9/17/2024 10:40 am : link
In comment 16613961 ajr2456 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.


It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
RE: RE: RE: I just wish  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:43 am : link
In comment 16613990 Essex said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.



It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.


1) Dep is still talking about the Minnesota game for some reason, he’s a little obsessed

2) what does this even mean

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If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with.


After the 10 minute opening drive that netted Washington only a FG, the time of possession was 27-22 in Washington’s favor. That’s a fairly even split to put up enough points to win from down 3-0.
There was no way the DJFC was going to let go  
widmerseyebrow : 9/17/2024 10:54 am : link
after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:

1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.

Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
3-9 on passes longer than 10 yards  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:55 am : link
21st ranked passing grade. 16th in CPOE. But hats off.
RE: RE: RE: I just wish  
Essex : 9/17/2024 10:57 am : link
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.



It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.


what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).

RE: RE: I just wish  
Walker Gillette : 9/17/2024 10:57 am : link
In comment 16613961 ajr2456 said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.


It always amazes me how easy it is to manipulate stats. So the fact that Washington never punted, held the ball about 38 minutes
and went on 7 consecutive scoring drives including marching right down the field at the end of the game is all part of a defensive performance you can win with and it's the offense is inept.

I can see you guys are getting into a feeding frenzy here, but this is ridiculous even for you, unless three unarmed Giants are the ones who told you while you were heckling Jones as he walked out of stadium.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I just wish  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:58 am : link
In comment 16614015 Essex said:
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.



It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.



what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).


Again, Dep was talking about week 1. I never said the Giants defense was fine in week 1
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I just wish  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 10:59 am : link
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.



It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.



what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).




Again, Dep was talking about week 1. I never said the Giants defense was fine in week 1


In week 2
RE: RE: RE: I just wish  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 11:00 am : link
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.



5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.



It always amazes me how easy it is to manipulate stats. So the fact that Washington never punted, held the ball about 38 minutes
and went on 7 consecutive scoring drives including marching right down the field at the end of the game is all part of a defensive performance you can win with and it's the offense is inept.

I can see you guys are getting into a feeding frenzy here, but this is ridiculous even for you, unless three unarmed Giants are the ones who told you while you were heckling Jones as he walked out of stadium.


Dep wasn’t talking about Washington, for the 10th time. He’s still obsessed with the Minnesota game
I was talking about Washington  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:02 am : link
our defense gave up 21 points. They kept us in the game.
RE: Jones Actually Played Well on Sunday  
The Jake : 9/17/2024 11:04 am : link
In comment 16613989 Jim in Tampa said:
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I've never been a Jones fan and I still think we need a new QB (especially given Jones's contract) but I do think that he played well.

Sy's review is now up and he thinks Jones played well too. Here is what he said about Jones:

After a week one to forget, he bounced back and put this team in position to win. That is the first job of a quarterback, and he got it done. When looking at the details of his game – the factors that impact wins and losses the most (turnovers, sacks, explosive plays, and penalties) Jones’ performance was taken to an even higher level. Not one turnover, he took just one sack for three yards, he passed for three explosive plays 20+ yard gains). The mis-fire metric that I discussed last week was down from a week ago by an incredible margin. I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires). He was one of 9 quarterbacks league wide to finish with a 100+ passer rating. He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes.

So, the numbers look great in contrast to where Jones started off week one. Beyond that, I was pleased with the decisiveness overall feel in the pocket.


I respect Sy's opinion, but at the end of the day, it's an opinion from a guy watching the game. Just like all of us. Here was the retort I put in the thread. Sy and I must have been watching two different QBs.

I take issue with these two statements in Sy's report re: Jones:

1. "I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires)."
2. "He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes."

on the first point, there were two different deep balls to Nabers that missed by so much, that Nabers stopped running before the ball started coming down from its apex. those are comically bad deep balls. also, are we forgetting the 2-point conversion that was intercepted? or how about the horrendous throw to Nabers on the WR screen when it was 12-12?

on the 2nd point, immediately after the blown WR screen due to a horrendous throw, Jones threw into TRIPLE coverage when he "red lined" Wandale with 3 defenders around him. that should have been an INT. and then, directly after that play, another bad throw to Slayton that the CB tracked the entire way and deflected. on the subsequent TD drive, Jones threw a horrendous comeback to Nabers on the right side that might have been a pick-6 by a better corner. he then threw to Nabers again in triple coverage on the goal line.

hopefully Sy isn't falling into the same trap as our front office - latching onto examples of mediocrity and calling it hope.
According to QBR  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:06 am : link
Jones ranked 5th in EPA and 4th in PASS

If we want to throw some stats out there.
again he was fine  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2024 11:09 am : link
But how could you possibly be overexcited about that QB performance?
RE: again he was fine  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:11 am : link
In comment 16614035 TyreeHelmet said:
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But how could you possibly be overexcited about that QB performance?


If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.

Does it mean he is a good QB? Of course not. But if he does this every week - its a positive sign. But Do i expect him too? Of course not.
RE: RE: again he was fine  
The Jake : 9/17/2024 11:17 am : link
In comment 16614036 JT039 said:
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he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.


uhh..... no. in fact, big boy NFL franchises actually expect their QB to win the game for them from time to time, if not regularly!

that's why it's the highest paid position in the game and arguably the most important position in all of sports.
 
christian : 9/17/2024 11:17 am : link
I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.

2022 called and wants its debate back.
RE: RE: again he was fine  
rsjem1979 : 9/17/2024 11:18 am : link
In comment 16614036 JT039 said:
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If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.


That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.

It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
25 teams  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2024 11:18 am : link
have played a game without having to punt since 2020. Those teams overall record is 19-6. 5/6 losses were when those teams lost the turnover battle. Close to getting a W in a game that played out very unfavorable to achieving that.


Let's say  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 11:19 am : link
Jones looks awful against CLE, what's the refrain going to be? "Remember the Washington game!"

And then he looks bad against DAL "remember the Washington game!"

This is exactly what happened last year with the 2nd half against the Cardinals. No matter how bad Jones looked up until his injury it was "remember the Arizona game!" That half of football was actually worth a hats off too.
Not grading Jones on a Curve  
Heisenberg : 9/17/2024 11:19 am : link
the training wheels are on big time with the scheme and this is year 6 lol.
RE: RE: RE: again he was fine  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:20 am : link
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he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.



uhh..... no. in fact, big boy NFL franchises actually expect their QB to win the game for them from time to time, if not regularly!

that's why it's the highest paid position in the game and arguably the most important position in all of sports.


QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will. Teams expect their best player to play consistently at a high level to put their teams in position too. If you go by stats, than no Jones line this past weekend wasnt overly impressive.

But considering the outliners that happened in the game, he did what he had to do for the team to win. Jones is usually the number 1 reason why they lose. I will fully admit that.

Not this week. Daboll and the defense get the blame this week.
RE: Let's say  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:21 am : link
In comment 16614044 Scooter185 said:
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Jones looks awful against CLE, what's the refrain going to be? "Remember the Washington game!"

And then he looks bad against DAL "remember the Washington game!"

This is exactly what happened last year with the 2nd half against the Cardinals. No matter how bad Jones looked up until his injury it was "remember the Arizona game!" That half of football was actually worth a hats off too.


If Jones sucks against CLE like he did against Minnesota - the blame will be justifiably be put on him. He sucked against Minnesota.
RE: RE: RE: RE: again he was fine  
The Jake : 9/17/2024 11:22 am : link
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QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will.


tell me you don't understand how the NFL works without saying you don't understand how the NFL works.
RE: RE: RE: again he was fine  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:22 am : link
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If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.




That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.

It's all you can ask of THIS QB.


I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
How about completing a deep pass occasionally?  
Greg from LI : 9/17/2024 11:23 am : link
Can you ask a QB to do that?
RE: RE: again he was fine  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2024 11:23 am : link
In comment 16614036 JT039 said:
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But how could you possibly be overexcited about that QB performance?



If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.

Does it mean he is a good QB? Of course not. But if he does this every week - its a positive sign. But Do i expect him too? Of course not.


I'm asking and expecting more from my 6th year 40 million a year QB. He had a good enough game. I also don't he did anything all that impressive against arguably the worst defense in the league.
Jones was a game manager - nothing less nothing more  
PatersonPlank : 9/17/2024 11:23 am : link
He played like you would hope any backup QB would play

I don't think he was "good". He gave us a chance to win, thats what you want from a backup QB
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: again he was fine  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:23 am : link
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QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will.



tell me you don't understand how the NFL works without saying you don't understand how the NFL works.


Show me a single game where a QB won the game all by themselves. I dont want a game where a QB played extremely well and was the best player on the field. Thats not my argument.

Every QB in their history needs guy to block, catch. Also, needs their defense to make stop, and their kicker to make FGs and also a coach who has a clue how to field a healthy roster.

Football is the ultimate TEAM game. Its not golf or tennis.
RE: According to QBR  
bw in dc : 9/17/2024 11:27 am : link
In comment 16614033 JT039 said:
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Jones ranked 5th in EPA and 4th in PASS

If we want to throw some stats out there.


Something is going on with QBR this week. They aren't including Carr's performance for some reason. He had a near perfect 100, which is insane.

So, technically Jones would drop a spot to 5th in passing and 6th in EPA.

I have no idea how Hurts graded out so high, especially passing. That was a bad INT to end that game last night.
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santacruzom : 9/17/2024 11:28 am : link
In comment 16614041 christian said:
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.

2022 called and wants its debate back.


Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
RE: RE: According to QBR  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:30 am : link
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Jones ranked 5th in EPA and 4th in PASS

If we want to throw some stats out there.



Something is going on with QBR this week. They aren't including Carr's performance for some reason. He had a near perfect 100, which is insane.

So, technically Jones would drop a spot to 5th in passing and 6th in EPA.

I have no idea how Hurts graded out so high, especially passing. That was a bad INT to end that game last night.


Not having Carr in there is insane. Is Carr the ultimate dick tease QB. He has 5-6 gamesa year where he is unreal. and then he has some where he looks worse than Daniel Jones.
RE: RE: RE: RE: again he was fine  
rsjem1979 : 9/17/2024 11:31 am : link
In comment 16614053 JT039 said:
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That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.

It's all you can ask of THIS QB.



I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?


Sure. As long as we retroactively apply those same standards to the glorious season of 2022 when "Jones won" 9 games and the epic Wild Card victory in Minnesota.

And over the course of a full season, you would hopefully ask more of your QB than to "be in position" to win games. You know what's better than that? Convincingly winning games by scoring a shitload of points with regularity.
RE: There was no way the DJFC was going to let go  
santacruzom : 9/17/2024 11:33 am : link
In comment 16614009 widmerseyebrow said:
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:

1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.

Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.


There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
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barens : 9/17/2024 11:33 am : link
In comment 16613944 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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This is weird. As I said in the OP, Jones was fine Sunday. He wasn’t the reason they lost.

But ‘really good’ as Carl opined? No fucking way. And if Banks is saying this, I have no doubt others inside the organization think the same about Jones. Year six and we have pom pom wavers like Papa and Banks selling this shit to the fan base. It isn’t even about Jones anymore. He sucks…everyone knows that. It’s more about the clowns running this team who probably believe Jones was masterful vs. WFT.


You realize this is all in your mind, right?
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bw in dc : 9/17/2024 11:35 am : link
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.

2022 called and wants its debate back.



Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.


As some posters said going into Sunday, this was a get-right game for Jones because (1) his history v Washington and (2) Washington's D right now is a sieve.

If he couldn't perform under those circumstances, the avalanche would have really started.

For a game, he pushed back the barbarians at the gate...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: again he was fine  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:35 am : link
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That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.

It's all you can ask of THIS QB.



I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?



Sure. As long as we retroactively apply those same standards to the glorious season of 2022 when "Jones won" 9 games and the epic Wild Card victory in Minnesota.

And over the course of a full season, you would hopefully ask more of your QB than to "be in position" to win games. You know what's better than that? Convincingly winning games by scoring a shitload of points with regularity.


I agree with pretty much everything you said, even the 2022 reference.

I also think we could have scored a shitload of points this week if our defense got off the field on 3rd down and our coach was able to see we needed a kicker before the game.

Again, do I expect this to continue? Of course not. But the OL played really well. Singeltary had a very good game outside the fumble and Nabers was a beast.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2024 11:35 am : link
barens, all evidence to the contrary over the years.
RE: RE: There was no way the DJFC was going to let go  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:36 am : link
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:

1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.

Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.



There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.


Not one person thinks what happened Sunday is a sign of things to come. But keep making up shit so you can regain the presidency of the GTFC.
Boy..  
Vin R : 9/17/2024 11:37 am : link
This thread escalated quickly lol
Why can't people be somewhat pleased that Jones was a lot better than  
Walker Gillette : 9/17/2024 11:39 am : link
he was against the Vikings. As much as I hate the clown aspect that seems to now surround the Giants, there were some things in this game that gives you something to be pleased about.

The OL seems far better than last year's historic disaster, Nabers showed a small glimpse of what he can become and I bet that drop drives him to be even better. The two rookies in the secondary are exciting and Phillips is showing flashes of being a game changer. The defense on the other hand was absolutely maddening, I am hoping that these are growing pains from having a new scheme, they all seem hesitant and a step slow to react.

If the offense keeps improving and the D which does have a good bit of talent becomes more comfortable in what they are doing maybe this season will give us something to cheer about as fall turns to winter.
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barens : 9/17/2024 11:40 am : link
In comment 16614082 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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barens, all evidence to the contrary over the years.


I see no evidence that the front office thought he was masterful, none whatsoever.

So much excessive hate, I get it, we don't have the QB we want, no need to exacerbate things.
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Giantsbigblue : 9/17/2024 11:40 am : link
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.

2022 called and wants its debate back.



Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.



As some posters said going into Sunday, this was a get-right game for Jones because (1) his history v Washington and (2) Washington's D right now is a sieve.

If he couldn't perform under those circumstances, the avalanche would have really started.

For a game, he pushed back the barbarians at the gate...


I appreciate you being reasonable.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2024 11:41 am : link
Where have I shown ‘excessive hate’?
RE: RE: RE: There was no way the DJFC was going to let go  
santacruzom : 9/17/2024 11:45 am : link
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:

1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.

Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.



There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.



Not one person thinks what happened Sunday is a sign of things to come. But keep making up shit so you can regain the presidency of the GTFC.


Exactly, that's what I said. Threads used to be replete with people who'd say it's a sign, now they no longer are.

If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.
Would it be unfair  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2024 11:46 am : link
To ask that this be the minimum acceptable game for him? He managed it well and took the plays that were there to take.
RE: RE: RE: RE: There was no way the DJFC was going to let go  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 11:47 am : link
In comment 16614100 santacruzom said:
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If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.


Maybe I have, and yet you arent smart enough to understand it or you dont want to go against your idol. Its a tough call.
RE: Why can't people be somewhat pleased that Jones was a lot better than  
TyreeHelmet : 9/17/2024 11:49 am : link
In comment 16614090 Walker Gillette said:
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he was against the Vikings. As much as I hate the clown aspect that seems to now surround the Giants, there were some things in this game that gives you something to be pleased about.

The OL seems far better than last year's historic disaster, Nabers showed a small glimpse of what he can become and I bet that drop drives him to be even better. The two rookies in the secondary are exciting and Phillips is showing flashes of being a game changer. The defense on the other hand was absolutely maddening, I am hoping that these are growing pains from having a new scheme, they all seem hesitant and a step slow to react.

If the offense keeps improving and the D which does have a good bit of talent becomes more comfortable in what they are doing maybe this season will give us something to cheer about as fall turns to winter.


Because quite honestly its not possibly to play worse than he did against the Vikings. And while he played well enough, he didn't carve up this crappy defense.

I appreciate the optimism but this isn't a rookie QB they are bringing along. He is not the answer and until they have a possible solution at QB, its hard to be excited about this team. At least for me...
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ryanmkeane : 9/17/2024 11:51 am : link
Hoping he continues to trend up after the week 1 debacle. He looked comfortable Sunday, but anyone would against Washington.
RE: Jones was ok  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/17/2024 11:52 am : link
In comment 16613462 JonC said:
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He left some throws on the field, which could've sustained drives. With a kicker, the Giants probably put 27 on the board, albeit against a bad defense.

Low standards here for QB.


I respect the hell out of JonC, but this is kind of silly. Yes, people are way too excited about Jones' average to maybe slighty above average QBing on Sunday. However, the sustained drives bit is overcorrecting in the other direction, no? Jones had the Giants in position to score on 6 of 8 drives, two of which were ended on a fumble by an RB who rarely fumbles and a bad drop by our #1 rookie WR.

Sure, two drives failed and one of them was three straight pass attempts. I guess I just find it hard to state "Jones failed to sustain drives" when the major drive killing mistakes were made by other players.
Jones play vs Wash  
JonC : 9/17/2024 11:53 am : link
should be the floor, basically. He should be playing considerably better, especially against a poor defense in a game NYG should've won. Jones should be a differentiator in winning that game.
Cap'n  
JonC : 9/17/2024 11:54 am : link
I'm telling you what coaches are surely telling Jones while watching film.
RE: RE: Jones was ok  
Cap'n Bluebeard : 9/17/2024 11:55 am : link
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He left some throws on the field, which could've sustained drives. With a kicker, the Giants probably put 27 on the board, albeit against a bad defense.

Low standards here for QB.



I respect the hell out of JonC, but this is kind of silly. Yes, people are way too excited about Jones' average to maybe slighty above average QBing on Sunday. However, the sustained drives bit is overcorrecting in the other direction, no? Jones had the Giants in position to score on 6 of 8 drives, two of which were ended on a fumble by an RB who rarely fumbles and a bad drop by our #1 rookie WR.

Sure, two drives failed and one of them was three straight pass attempts. I guess I just find it hard to state "Jones failed to sustain drives" when the major drive killing mistakes were made by other players.


To be clear, Jones was fine and nothing more. And that's not good enough. We need to move on. Just seems like people are pointing to lackluster stats without any context to make it seem like he played poorly.
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barens : 9/17/2024 11:56 am : link
In comment 16614094 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Where have I shown ‘excessive hate’?


That was more directed towards most Giant fans.
Jones didn't play poorly  
JonC : 9/17/2024 11:58 am : link
he played what I could label as adequate to good.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: There was no way the DJFC was going to let go  
santacruzom : 9/17/2024 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16614108 JT039 said:
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If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.



Maybe I have, and yet you arent smart enough to understand it or you dont want to go against your idol. Its a tough call.


Not creative.
RE: Jones didn't play poorly  
Pete in MD : 9/17/2024 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16614130 JonC said:
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he played what I could label as adequate to good.

It comes down to how one defines "well", which is largely subjective of course. Banks didn't start fitting him for a yellow jacket.
I'm sorry  
Pete in MD : 9/17/2024 1:25 pm : link
"good" not "well," but the sentiment is the same.
Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
Walker Gillette : 9/17/2024 2:21 pm : link
he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
All I have to say is I hate Schoen and Daboll  
Chris684 : 9/17/2024 3:15 pm : link
for the existence of this thread, Banks's comments and just generally for all of us still being in this position as Giants fans.

We could have been watching Maye the last 2 weeks, or Darnold, or Fields, or Penix, or Nix or anyone other than Daniel Jones.
Bo Nix has been awful.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/17/2024 3:33 pm : link
Drafting him anywhere in round 1 would have been a catastrophe.
Daniel Jones plays NFL QB like a high school kid  
arniefez : 9/17/2024 3:40 pm : link
His processing skills are high school level. He is a week off for good DCs and defenses. Washington is a horrible defensive team. He completed only short passes, stared down the pre snap 1st read, nothing outside the numbers, nothing over the LBs and in front of the safeties, never moved the safeties with his eyes.

There are 6 games until the Giants play Washington again. I'll keep my hat on until we see how those games go for Daniel Jones. If Sunday was his best stuff the Giants are in big trouble.

RE: Bo Nix has been awful.  
Chris684 : 9/17/2024 4:06 pm : link
In comment 16614298 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Drafting him anywhere in round 1 would have been a catastrophe.


I'll wait more than 2 games, thanks. And how would it be a "catastrophe" exactly?
Agree  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/17/2024 4:12 pm : link
Calling Nix a catastrophe after two games is stupid. Plenty of analysts had him ranked as a first rounder and someone with a pretty good reputation with QB's drafted him.
If Jones wants to change his perception  
Mike from SI : 9/17/2024 4:18 pm : link
he needs to have many, many more games like this one. I'm not holding my breath.
RE: Bo Nix has been awful.  
bw in dc : 9/17/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16614298 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Drafting him anywhere in round 1 would have been a catastrophe.


Using that standard, you have to toss in Caleb Williams, too.
RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
ajr2456 : 9/17/2024 4:41 pm : link
In comment 16614245 Walker Gillette said:
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done


They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
RE: If Jones wants to change his perception  
BillKo : 9/17/2024 4:51 pm : link
In comment 16614335 Mike from SI said:
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he needs to have many, many more games like this one. I'm not holding my breath.


I posted this on another thread accidently - totally agree but it's not happening.

Teams are going to start taking Nabors away to some degree. He'll have to start finding secondary receivers which he doesn't do.

He immediately scrambles and looks to dump off. Or run into a sack.

He played pitch and catch basically with Nabors all day.

Wait to the pass rush gets closer - he'll panic.

Cleveland and Dallas will bring out the worse in DJ unfortunately.

RE: Daniel Jones plays NFL QB like a high school kid  
BillKo : 9/17/2024 4:59 pm : link
In comment 16614301 arniefez said:
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His processing skills are high school level. He is a week off for good DCs and defenses. Washington is a horrible defensive team. He completed only short passes, stared down the pre snap 1st read, nothing outside the numbers, nothing over the LBs and in front of the safeties, never moved the safeties with his eyes.

There are 6 games until the Giants play Washington again. I'll keep my hat on until we see how those games go for Daniel Jones. If Sunday was his best stuff the Giants are in big trouble.


This is a really good observation - he not fitting the ball in anywhere.

Now - maybe he didn't have to necessarily versus WSH because they are so bad, but when he starts to have to drop ball into receivers I just don't see it happening because - most of all - I think he won't pull the trigger.

And when he does - he's forcing himself to do it and throwing interceptions (like opening day).
RE: RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
Walker Gillette : 9/17/2024 5:29 pm : link
In comment 16614356 ajr2456 said:
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done



They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs

2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
There's enough pieces in place where it wouldn't likely be a full  
JonC : 9/17/2024 5:33 pm : link
scratch restart. But, given the path they're on collectively, some big changes are beginning to appear very likely.
RE: There's enough pieces in place where it wouldn't likely be a full  
JT039 : 9/17/2024 5:35 pm : link
In comment 16614404 JonC said:
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scratch restart. But, given the path they're on collectively, some big changes are beginning to appear very likely.


Hopefully head coach and QB starting next year.
RE: If Jones wants to change his perception  
BlueVinnie : 9/17/2024 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16614335 Mike from SI said:
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he needs to have many, many more games like this one. I'm not holding my breath.

If he has many, many more games like this one my perception changes from he sucks to he's a good backup. We need much, much better if we're ever going to sniff a championship again.
RE: RE: RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 6:04 pm : link
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done



They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs


2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again


By replicate the Rams you mean start by taking a qb 1OA, right?
RE: There's enough pieces in place where it wouldn't likely be a full  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/17/2024 6:07 pm : link
In comment 16614404 JonC said:
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scratch restart. But, given the path they're on collectively, some big changes are beginning to appear very likely.


Good. Because the status quo is fucking broken.
RE: RE: RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
BurberryManning : 9/17/2024 6:30 pm : link
In comment 16614397 Walker Gillette said:
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done



They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs


2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
The Rams drafted Goff 1.1 and the Lions drafted Stafford 1.1. Good quarterbacks of the level needed to sustainably compete for championships are very rarely made available. At best you land a player the caliber of Mayfield and Cousins and enjoy a tease but fall short each year.

If you don't have "the guy" at QB it's a much higher probabilistic path to sustained success to lose as many games as possible as a means of increasing draft capital and hopefully landing a QB. It isn't rocket science. If the premium player selected doesn't work out, the team should cut bait ASAP and try again. Carolina mortgaged draft capital but they could quite easily walk away from Bryce Young and strike gold in the 2025 draft. It's a game of probabilities.

The notion of building culture, a "winning mindset," etc from competing valiantly, but still failing, is pure folly as roster turnover is too significant from season to season.

In the modern NFL, teams should adopt the Ricky Bobby mantra, "if you ain't first, you're last," or at least should hope to be last. Mediocrity is not rewarded.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
Walker Gillette : 9/17/2024 9:25 pm : link
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done



They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs


2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again



By replicate the Rams you mean start by taking a qb 1OA, right?


The QB they won the SB with they traded for. So no I don't mean that.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
Walker Gillette : 9/17/2024 9:28 pm : link
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done





They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs


2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again

The Rams drafted Goff 1.1 and the Lions drafted Stafford 1.1. Good quarterbacks of the level needed to sustainably compete for championships are very rarely made available. At best you land a player the caliber of Mayfield and Cousins and enjoy a tease but fall short each year.

If you don't have "the guy" at QB it's a much higher probabilistic path to sustained success to lose as many games as possible as a means of increasing draft capital and hopefully landing a QB. It isn't rocket science. If the premium player selected doesn't work out, the team should cut bait ASAP and try again. Carolina mortgaged draft capital but they could quite easily walk away from Bryce Young and strike gold in the 2025 draft. It's a game of probabilities.

The notion of building culture, a "winning mindset," etc from competing valiantly, but still failing, is pure folly as roster turnover is too significant from season to season.

In the modern NFL, teams should adopt the Ricky Bobby mantra, "if you ain't first, you're last," or at least should hope to be last. Mediocrity is not rewarded.


Yet both those guys were made available.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Guys we are stuck this year with Jones so it seems rational to hope  
Scooter185 : 9/17/2024 9:54 pm : link
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.

It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done



They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.

Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs


2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again



By replicate the Rams you mean start by taking a qb 1OA, right?



The QB they won the SB with they traded for. So no I don't mean that.


The Rams started their path to the SB by drafting Goff 1.1 and building the team around him. He got them to a SB, and also got the bag after. They then decided they needed someone else and traded for Stafford who got them all the way. But to characterize LAR as "building the team first and then getting a QB" is not being truthful.
The problem in this scenario  
Jerry in_DC : 9/17/2024 10:25 pm : link
is Mara's addiction to Daniel Jones. You want to say - build a kick ass team, stay cheap at QB, get a pipeline going with some upside guys, and pounce when the time is right? Ok - that's a strategy.

The problem is 1) paying Jones and 2) if we have even a decent season and Jones plays at even a below average level -- it means we are sticking with Jones at $40 M until he retires or gets hurt.

That's really what's driving all of this. Jones was fine against WFT. A non-descrjpt, shoulder shrug kind of game. If it was some other random journeyman QB, nobody would really care about the game. But there is legit fear that if Jones strings a few of these games together we could be looking at year 7 or even year 8 of this misery.
I don't really  
Pete in MD : 9/17/2024 10:58 pm : link
understand the "experts" that say "he made the wrong read" or he's a "one read QB." You can say he missed an open guy or made a bad throw but nobody really knows what his reads were or all 11 players' reads. And if you pretend to...
RE: There's enough pieces in place where it wouldn't likely be a full  
barens : 9/18/2024 8:27 am : link
In comment 16614404 JonC said:
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scratch restart. But, given the path they're on collectively, some big changes are beginning to appear very likely.


Because big changes always helps this organization..
RE: All I have to say is I hate Schoen and Daboll  
Blueworm : 9/18/2024 8:51 am : link
In comment 16614280 Chris684 said:
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for the existence of this thread, Banks's comments and just generally for all of us still being in this position as Giants fans.

We could have been watching Maye the last 2 weeks, or Darnold, or Fields, or Penix, or Nix or anyone other than Daniel Jones.


Maye was not available. Keep your wishes for what was possible
RE: I don't really  
Blueworm : 9/18/2024 8:51 am : link
In comment 16614668 Pete in MD said:
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understand the "experts" that say "he made the wrong read" or he's a "one read QB." You can say he missed an open guy or made a bad throw but nobody really knows what his reads were or all 11 players' reads. And if you pretend to...


Watch the QBs eyes on a pass play.

Watch this QBs eyes stay on the same receiver from before the play starts.
RE: I don't really  
rsjem1979 : 9/18/2024 9:03 am : link
In comment 16614668 Pete in MD said:
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understand the "experts" that say "he made the wrong read" or he's a "one read QB." You can say he missed an open guy or made a bad throw but nobody really knows what his reads were or all 11 players' reads. And if you pretend to...


They absolutely can, these are hardly unique offensive concepts, and the reads are based not only on the playcall but on what the defense shows you pre and post snap.

That's the position. Making the correct read virtually instantaneously.

You can argue that being critical of the decisions/reads Jones made is hindsight, but that's no different than watching film after the game.
D. J. needs to rebuild his confidence.  
Reese's Pieces : 9/18/2024 2:58 pm : link
No one could have taken the criticism he took during the off-season without its affecting his play. No matter how he looked, he had to be really tight when he stepped onto the field against the Vikings.

His second game was better than his first game.
We wait for his third game.
RE: RE: Bo Nix has been awful.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/18/2024 3:31 pm : link
In comment 16614351 bw in dc said:
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Drafting him anywhere in round 1 would have been a catastrophe.



Using that standard, you have to toss in Caleb Williams, too.


Caleb Williams wasnt in college for 10 years.
RE: RE: I don't really  
Gatorade Dunk : 9/18/2024 4:19 pm : link
In comment 16614804 rsjem1979 said:
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In comment 16614668 Pete in MD said:


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understand the "experts" that say "he made the wrong read" or he's a "one read QB." You can say he missed an open guy or made a bad throw but nobody really knows what his reads were or all 11 players' reads. And if you pretend to...



They absolutely can, these are hardly unique offensive concepts, and the reads are based not only on the playcall but on what the defense shows you pre and post snap.

That's the position. Making the correct read virtually instantaneously.

You can argue that being critical of the decisions/reads Jones made is hindsight, but that's no different than watching film after the game.

This.

Most offensive schemes share similarities. And within those similarities is a progression sequence for particular passing/route concepts.

It's not as complicated as some fans assume for well-schooled analysts (even amateurs if they've played at a high level) to immediately recognize an offensive concept and know what the most likely progressions are.

How else do you think QB prospects are able to diagram plays on the board at the combine and correctly identify the reads/progressions? They're not doing it from a study guide that the team provided ahead of time; they're doing it from their own understanding of what each concept entails and what they know to be the keys that they're looking for.
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