'I thought he played a really good game.'
I was curious what the thinking @ 1925 Giants Way on Jones' performance yesterday & knew I could count on these shills to parrot the company line so I listened to their podcast Beleve or whatever the hell the name of it is. This will probably be the one & only time I listen to it because these two are boring AF.
I thought Jones was fine yesterday. Functional. Adequate. OK. But 'he played really well'? He missed multiple throws deep. He zeroed in on Robinson one play where Nabers was wide open. He averaged less than 7 yards per pass. Meanwhile, Sam Darnold-who makes pennies compared to Danny Dimes-averaged 10 yards per pass.
I know a lot of you think I hate Jones personally. I don't. He seems like a good dude/teammate & hard worker. But WTF are we doing here where we have a Giants commentator praising him for his play yesterday? Is the bar THAT fucking low for this guy in year six?
Totally expecting 4XChamps to call me names, Haha.
Does anyone have a feel for where Daboll has set the bar?
He says the team improved...did he forget we played Washington a bottom dwelling team and lost! So that means this team was totally unprepared to start the season 2 weeks ago.
Company man.
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out
He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.
And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
Jones played another solid game against Washington. That is what he has done in his career. Jones could be in a Russian prison in Siberia for a year, be let out, and play a good game against Washington the following week.
Carl should go watch the games Murray and Carr played. Those efforts were "really good games".
Carl is a homer though.
Got it coach. I'm going to write "Throw it to Malik" 10,000 times on tbe whiteboard every day this week."
'Man that kid works hard."
Jones played another solid game against Washington. That is what he has done in his career. Jones could be in a Russian prison in Siberia for a year, be let out, and play a good game against Washington the following week.
Carl should go watch the games Murray and Carr played. Those efforts were "really good games".
Well said.
As much grief that Jones brings to the table, he looked much improved, just not bouncing the ball off the turf all day is huge. He actually looked off the defense to make a couple of good throws, shock !!!!!!
The Skins, I still call them that, they counted on him doing that, it was as obvious as the nose on your face. If he just works on that, we just might surprise the NFL.
Remember the Coughlin phrase…..Giants Pride; it is so far from it.
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
He barely threw anything over 8 yards . 6.35 ypa
He didn’t take any real chances and when he did he threw it so far that not even the speedy Nabers who can jump super high had a chance at them
He basically only dumped off and threw to Nabers. 10 of his 16 completions were to Nabers and 127 of his 178 yards.
He took off at any sign of pressure. And he didn’t face that much pressure . And his RB was getting 5.9 ypc
This is type of game that you expect from a good backup QB
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
Of all people to defend Jones - me - but they only had the ball 22 minutes in the game.
Imagine if Singletary didn't fumble, too.
That said, I think Washington's D is horrible. So I will be very surprised if Jones has similar success against ANYONE else. But let's acknowledge that he played well yesterday, even if it never happens again.
The Washington Commanders are a terrible football team. Especially on defense. They gave up 37 points and 290 yards passing with 4 TDs to Tampa week 1.
Daniel Jones threw for 178 yards. Most of that yardage was Nabers yards after catch. Jones completed 16 passes, 10 of them to Nabers. He threw 3 long passes that weren't close to the receiver. Nabers of course all 3 times.
Going off my terrible memory I don't think he completed a pass that traveled 15 yards in the air.
He had very good pass protection all game and the few times he had to move in the pocket he created nothing.
The Giants are going to be at a QB disadvantage in almost every game they play this year.
He could go a long way to rehabbing his reputation in the next two games. Dallas is really the critical one, as that matchup combines all of his career nightmares (primetime and home struggles).
The loss isn't on him but that is not a "very good game".
16 of 28 for 178 yards and 2 Tds for a 6.35 ypa and 18 pts in a loss to a team that finished with the 2nd worst record last year and a rookie QB and a new HC.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
Good post Christian.
He barely threw anything over 8 yards . 6.35 ypa
He didn’t take any real chances and when he did he threw it so far that not even the speedy Nabers who can jump super high had a chance at them
He basically only dumped off and threw to Nabers. 10 of his 16 completions were to Nabers and 127 of his 178 yards.
He took off at any sign of pressure. And he didn’t face that much pressure . And his RB was getting 5.9 ypc
This is type of game that you expect from a good backup QB
^This. He succeeded within the context of an offense that has been dramatically simplified for him because he can't regularly read defenses well enough to execute a more complex offense.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
WTF ARE WE DOING?
He had 7 drives. Led them to three TDs. Was in FG range at the end. Had another drive poised to score points except Singletary fumbled. So successful on 6 of 7 drives. He only had 22 minutes of game time. Why be a shitbag? Seriously?
But it was reminiscent of 2022 DJ and Daboll's "training wheels and guard rails" approach. The same approach the Packers scripted for Malik Willis yesterday, except Willis had a higher rating and led his team to a win.
The entire thesis of the offense is Singletary is a more consistent back, and the pass catching weapons can produce yards with the ball in their hands.
You can't knock Jones because it actually worked.
Knock him for his ceiling, and the probability this performance is likely only repeatable against bad teams.
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out
He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.
And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
actually, this is a great game for a QB. But let's not spoil the BBI narrative that you can't win with this guy.
He put it right in Slaytons hands for a 2 pt conversion and it was dropped
Oh, the shills will.
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Oh, the shills will.
He had the ball for 20 minutes. I mean he stinks but yesterday we lost because of our equally incompetent coach and our defense. Daniel Jones was fine
Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Dude we were averaging 6 yards a carry running the darn ball. His star receiver dropped a ball on him and his rb fumbled a ball. Thr giants were moving at will except for one series. Anyone who thinks it was on Jones’ is either blinded by hate or not very bright.
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
2022 we were averaging 2pts per drive with DJ which was pretty good (above average). The low turnovers and really, really crappy skill players and OL made that more impressive. Combining those results and that was a good-to-great year productivity-wise. (And yes, that’s despite throwing only 15 TDs.) We also had 10% fewer drives than the average team that year.
For the Wash game, 18 pts off of 6 drives is really good production especially with a missed extra point and a fumble in (what is normally) field goal range.
Papa has always been a joke.
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After 2022 was the team scored 23-24 or 27 pts in many wins that year and they needed every one of those pts. I understand that 375 or pts scored (I forgot was the exact number was) is barely above average but those points were of the consistent variety. They didn’t score 38 one week and 10 the next.
I place a lot of credence or emphasis on pts scored when evaluating a QB. Individual stats are fine and do reflect success to some degree but to me nothing determines offensive success as much as pts scored. 18 pts against an average at best team, in a loss, is no good. Aware there was no FG kicker but we needed jones and the offense to deliver. They didn’t.
I judge QBs similarly but using points per drive. Not doing so makes absolutely no sense.
2022 we were averaging 2pts per drive with DJ which was pretty good (above average). The low turnovers and really, really crappy skill players and OL made that more impressive. Combining those results and that was a good-to-great year productivity-wise. (And yes, that’s despite throwing only 15 TDs.) We also had 10% fewer drives than the average team that year.
For the Wash game, 18 pts off of 6 drives is really good production especially with a missed extra point and a fumble in (what is normally) field goal range.
Not at all impressive against one of the worst defenses in the league.
He did everything we needed him to do to win the game. He will be the QB for the rest of the season and gone next. chill out everyone and let it play out
(*past results are not an indication of future results)
Lick my taint, fuck face. The next time you post a salient point or show honesty in assessment will be your first, you arrogant, wrong, pug headed, fool.
Only Phil Simms and his mother believed in him. This was a start at confidence-building. Much more needed.
But how cool would it be if DJ had twice as much time to throw this season?
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is abysmal against the league's worst secondary. Washington may not hold another team to under 200 passing yards all season.
Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Dude we were averaging 6 yards a carry running the darn ball. His star receiver dropped a ball on him and his rb fumbled a ball. Thr giants were moving at will except for one series. Anyone who thinks it was on Jones’ is either blinded by hate or not very bright.
Has anyone actually blamed Jones? Many are just pushing back on that he had some spectacular performance. He wasn't completely unplayable like against MIN. Yay!
Then again, overvaluing Jones' performance against a historically bad Vikings defense in 2022 is what got Jones the $160M contract in the first place.
Enjoy watching your golden boy suck ass the rest of the season, when he won’t be facing the worst pass defense in football.
Enjoy watching your golden boy suck ass the rest of the season, when he won’t be facing the worst pass defense in football.
You see? How the FUCK do you know what I think or how I feel about DJ? You don't, you smug, ignorant fuck.
But it's always fun to see the historical crazies be, crazies.
Raise the standards already.
Raise the standards already.
Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.
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3 were TDs
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out
He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.
And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
actually, this is a great game for a QB. But let's not spoil the BBI narrative that you can't win with this guy.
They didn’t win.
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.
Raise the standards already.
Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.
I'm glad to be yours.
Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.
Raise the standards already.
Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.
I'm glad to be yours.
Your obsession for Jones is sad. He runs your life.
Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
Raise the standards already.
That stat is not affected by the low number of drives. It’s an ok YPA for DJ, but a bit below avg for him through 2022.
I’ll say it: I’m not sure Jones can still play at an NFL level.
Low standards here for QB.
Jones definitely doesn't have that skill/gene.
He's the most expensive game manager in NFL history.
So, he improved from a terrible week 1 to look good in week 2. But, good isn't enough to instill confidence at this point. At the same time, he played well enough to have won the game if one of 3 things happened. 1) We had a PK; 2) Nabers catches the 4th down pass, but we would have kicked the FG there; 3) Singletary didn't fumble deep in Washington territory.
So good, but not great or good enough on that day. It's enough to buy him a week, but not enough to confidently say anything glowing about him.
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In Week 1.
Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?
Still thinking about me, huh?
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.
Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.
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In Week 1.
Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?
Still thinking about me, huh?
Just using your logic. Your words, not mine.
Jones still on your mind I see.
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.
Raise the standards already.
Fucking bore at this point. Get a hobby. You need 1.
I'm glad to be yours.
Your obsession for Jones is sad. He runs your life.
I'm not obsessed. I was just earlier in saying what everyone is now saying, you included. Don't worry - you can parrot me all you want.
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In Week 1.
Hey with the defense only giving up 10.5 points per half - jones should have won, right?
Still thinking about me, huh?
Just using your logic. Your words, not mine.
Jones still on your mind I see.
It’s a Daniel Jones thread, Dep. On a Giants message board.
I see you’re still thinking about a post from last week. Have you tried getting some hobbies?
Sorry pointing out Baker has 8 possessions vs Jones’ 7 ruffled your feathers and ruined your Monday.
Sorry your posting backfired. I’ll try not to expose you next time. But don’t worry I’m sure you will quote someone from saying something about Jones in the past soon though.
Pot meet kettle.
Not me. Our defense was fine yesterday. Only gave up 21 again. 😀
Ever think of picking up some hobbies?
Ever think of picking up some hobbies?
Yeah. Have a bunch. I’m gonna pick up one about saying the same thing about jones 500x a day. Sound good?
Obsessed much, Dep?
Obsessed much, Dep?
Let’s play 18. We probably would have a really good time.
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I didn’t even mention Jones and have made like 3 posts today.
Obsessed much, Dep?
Let’s play 18. We probably would have a really good time.
My treat too.
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I didn’t even mention Jones and have made like 3 posts today.
Obsessed much, Dep?
Let’s play 18. We probably would have a really good time.
No thanks
Sorry I won’t tease you anymore. I thought you were somewhat of a man. Guess I was wrong.
Sorry I won’t tease you anymore. I thought you were somewhat of a man. Guess I was wrong.
Are you drunk? What are you even babbling on about
2 were ended by his teammates messing up
1 was 3 and out
He played more than well enough to win and made some big time plays. It’s sad we have gotten to the point where we can’t acknowledge a good game by him.
And let’s not forget he did this with no defense and no kicker.
Good post but this type of talk won't fly here. The entire group wants the guy to fail miserably. Sad state of the fan base.
The reality is that everything about this organization sucks. Hammering Jones week in and week out is tired. He is one part of a really humongous issue. This franchise is rotten at every level. This isn't the week to shit on Jones. Shit on the way the roster is constructed this week. Shit on the fact they invent new ways to lose games every year. Take a week off from shitting on the QB. Singletary holds on to the ball and Nabers catches the 4th down east catch and they most likely win the game.
Remember the Coughlin phrase…..Giants Pride; it is so far from it.
And you forgot a-hole fans like yourself. Add that to you list...
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For Jones it's a good game. For good quarterbacks it isn't.
Raise the standards already.
That stat is not affected by the low number of drives. It’s an ok YPA for DJ, but a bit below avg for him through 2022.
I’ll say it: I’m not sure Jones can still play at an NFL level.
There are 90-ish QBs on NFL teams. If you ranked them all Jones probably falls into the 40-50 range. That's what the idiots running the Giants decided to pay.
Low standards here for QB.
Minnesota beat the 49ers so maybe they are not that bad of a team.
Daniel Jones did play well. He didn’t play great but he played well and should have won the game. He made the plays to win the game and his teammates lost it, the coaches lost it and the D was terrible forcing no punts and no turnovers.
Hating on Jones in every thread is old. Find something else to talk about. Winey bitches about Jones every thread every day. No one can have a thought without Jones being brought up by the same people screwing every thread. It’s the same posters over and over ruining the site.
SFGFNCGiantsFan you are one of the main thread killers, you can’t control yourself on every thread bringing up how much you hate Jones. How about you go a week without mentioning him. I’d bet you can’t. Even if the Giants won this game by 30 you’d still rant about your hate for Jones.
We all know he’s a bottom tier QB. We all know it’s a bad contract. We all know he’ll be off the team next year.
The bigger concern is the defense is awful. 99yd drive last week. Couldn’t get off the field. This week same thing. 40min TOP. If it wasn’t for Wash OL having several penalties, they would’ve blown us out.
Most of the defense is signed for next year and beyond. They need to play a lot better.
Doesn't mean it's an indication of things to come. But if we're in the business of intellectual honesty and evaluation of the team we root for, there's no reason to deny he played well.
There is no reason. So why do they do it?
Frankly I was surprised he was only 16/28. Thought he had a better completion percentage.
Doesn't mean I want to keep him. We have been down that road. But he was completely different than the guy from the week before.
Frankly I was surprised he was only 16/28. Thought he had a better completion percentage.
Doesn't mean I want to keep him. We have been down that road. But he was completely different than the guy from the week before.
The ones here who spend their lives on here shitting on him will never admit he played well. They are obsessed with him. Their lives revolve around telling people Jones sucks.
Guess what he does suck and should be gone after the year but he played more than well enough to win Sunday. Only if we had a competent coach and defense.
Who?
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Great then too?
Who?
lol see they can’t help themselves. Their main goal in life is to shit on Jones or anything that says anything positive about him.
I mean I really don’t give a fuck if Willis or Fields played well. I didn’t watch their games. It looks like Willis did. But I do know their coach was smart enough to have a healthy kicker on both teams and their defense didn’t let the other team score on every possession.
But I have to check with the experts if those things affect a game.
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Great then too?
Who?
lol see they can’t help themselves. Their main goal in life is to shit on Jones or anything that says anything positive about him.
I mean I really don’t give a fuck if Willis or Fields played well. I didn’t watch their games. It looks like Willis did. But I do know their coach was smart enough to have a healthy kicker on both teams and their defense didn’t let the other team score on every possession.
But I have to check with the experts if those things affect a game.
Maybe there’s a secret decoder ring to figure out when the numbers tell the story and when they don’t
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Just look at the difference with a real QB and its not to compare players
Theres alot of talk amongst Jets fans that Rodgers was changing things and shifting protections at the LOS and how this was like nothing thry have seen after years of Wilson & Darnold and how it helped win the game
Imagine that. A QB who can not just take advantage of the defense but cause it to happen?
As opposed to our QB who in his own words “Coach Daboll told me what to do and like always I followed the plan” and the offense needs to be tailored to his limitations
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
So being that we moved the ball at will - the sets worked? Hmm, good catch!
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
Has nothing to do with the opposing defense, right? Kafka didn't look at the defense WFT runs and then chose how to attack it? No he decide Jones is a dumbass and made his plan regardless of the defense...
That's unfair. I haven't had a beer since 7 PM Sunday at the Bruce festival, Haha.
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And SFGF doesn’t like to drink either.
That's unfair. I haven't had a beer since 7 PM Sunday at the Bruce festival, Haha.
You saw a helluva setlist.
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We have to simplify the offense for our 6 yr veteran 40 mil QB to play even a decent game against a bad team
This makes our offense easier to defend and limits us
We are putting training wheels on
Simplify the offense. You know this how?
Look I am all for a new QB and have been. But simplify the offense?
I will wait for Sy's write up to tell me that it is simplified.
Watch the game and observe the sets we ran in comparison to week 1
Has nothing to do with the opposing defense, right? Kafka didn't look at the defense WFT runs and then chose how to attack it? No he decide Jones is a dumbass and made his plan regardless of the defense...
Whatever you say man. Ive got 62 games and 6 years to go on . Enjoy the week of pounding the table about 178 yds and 2 TDs in a loss. We all know where this is going by end of October
What would you call starting dozen of threads and thousands of posts that he sucks then?
What would you call starting dozen of threads and thousands of posts that he sucks then?
The truth
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.
Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.
How would a first down in a tie game have iced said game, with us unable to kick a field goal? Nabers’ drop stopped a drive in a tie game. It would not have won us the game.
1. Jones played well on Sunday. Not perfect, but he played well. He was good on the short throws and not so good on the long ones, but he gave us a chance to win against a bad defense.
2. The Giants need to find a QB who can run the offense and score points against teams with something other than horrible defenses. Jones isn’t that guy.
He’s the best.
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he wasn’t the guy who elevated his team to a win despite the screw-ups of others. He didn’t put the team on his back and bail them all out by willing a win. Players need their QB to be that guy sometimes.
Lol out best WR dropped a ball right in his hands that would have iced the game. Jones put it there. Should he have walked over and handed it to him?
lol. The agendas are flowing now. Same shit from the same posters. Know nothings.
How would a first down in a tie game have iced said game, with us unable to kick a field goal? Nabers’ drop stopped a drive in a tie game. It would not have won us the game.
I didn’t say. Thunder did. But we both can agree the drop was a big part of the game.
Now the question is so what? If acknowledging that fact is largely a test of someone's capacity to tell the truth or be tethered to reality, then I think nearly all Jones critics would pass it. I dont' really see anyone saying Jones was bad on Sunday.
So, then the question becomes so what? What's the significance of this game from Jones? Has it moved the needle in any infinitesimal or meaningful way about our prospects of becoming a consistent, winning team with an explosive passing offense with him? I think you'd have to be Dr. Pangloss to think so.
Then finally the question moves to how should we think about Carl Banks's statement, given his employer and the general polyannish attitude of this franchise? I think at the bare minimum, it's a little troubling to see them describing Sunday's performance as "Hats off" worthy.
I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
Not a great game for the Jones attacks imv. Let it build for another day.
I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
If Jones were a good QB you would have not gotten a “hats off to Daniel Jones” for that game. It was only because he has been so bad that that kind of game gets praise. It was an outlier performance for Jones, which is what drew the praise.
Ten years to now find a OL we hope will rise to the level of medicore. Quality players, like Lawrence and Thomas waste their prime years waiting for the team to surround them with talent. Defense cannot tackle--again. Defense cannot stop the run-again. Coaching malpractice--again. Giant fans wait every game for the inevitable mistake--the pick 6, the fumble, the dropped pass or the missed coverage. Who among us watches a game expecting the break to go our way? It's a loop that this organization has not figured out how to break in a decade.
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But how low does the bar have to be for us to celebrate that game? I am glad he looked much better, but that was just a decent game from an NFL QB. I just don't think it was really worthy of a "hats off to Daniel Jones". But if CB is trying to build confidence for him, have at it.
I am glad he played well. Hope he plays that well or better every game.
If Jones were a good QB you would have not gotten a “hats off to Daniel Jones” for that game. It was only because he has been so bad that that kind of game gets praise. It was an outlier performance for Jones, which is what drew the praise.
Did Jones play well? Yes. Was it a performance worthy of celebration? No
Like leading a game tying TD drive in the fourth and leading them into the red zone for a chance to win the game?
If that excites you, then I guess "hats off to you"
If that excites you, then I guess "hats off to you"
What's funny is that historically Jones doesn't just play well against bad defense, he destroys them (rookie year, Vikings playoff win). The same people who like to prop up those games as "the real Daniel" are now the ones saying we should be happy that he was a functional QB on Sunday.
It's amazing how low the bar is
newsflash boys - DJ did not play great, well, or even OK on Sunday. he fulfilled his role as a don't-lose-the-game-for-us game manager. he reached peak Elvis Grbac! so yeah, he didn't lose the game for us! woohoo! somehow, that translates to "Daniel played well on Sunday." you mean the guy who led us to 18 points against one of the worst teams in the league?
I think you doofuses forgot what good QB play looks like, but here's a hint - a good QB reads defenses. he looks around the field and finds the open man. he confuses defenses. he makes plays DOWN the field. he CREATES opportunities. he has strong pocket presence and field vision. and most importantly, a good QB elevates the play of the folks around him.
this is not a good or great or even decent QB. this is the worst QB in the entire league. the single worst starter out of 32 teams, and probably worse than many teams' backup QB.
the ONLY people on planet Earth that think this guy is a good QB are the BBI DJFC, John Mara, and Daniel's grandma. that's it. everyone else has moved on.
When I think of a "hats off" moment for Eli, the Super Bowls and NFC Championship games come to mind. I don't think of the 2006 Dallas home game he lost 23-20 and threw for two touchdowns. Frankly, he would say it was an "I didn't do enough to win moment" and I would say it was "who gives a crap about the quarterback moment?" It was a fucking loss!
The debate here is not whether DJ had a good game. It is, 1) how low of a bar is "exemplary performance" for DJ to warrant a "hats off" commendation, and 2) how much of a boot licking shill for this organization has Carl Banks become?
It's just really really sad to see.
If you say Jones played well in ONE game, now all of a sudden your a Jones fan in hiding or use the same fucking dumb moniker. It's sad.
What if we said Jones sucked last week and needs to be replaced. What kind of fan are we? This is all so confusing. Too many experts here to get stories straight.
You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
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He also didn't really do anything to win them the game the way you'd expect someone in his position to do
Like leading a game tying TD drive in the fourth and leading them into the red zone for a chance to win the game?
No. I mean putting the game away early so that it's not a nail-biter. WAS is a team that 6 year, $40M vet should have been able to light up, and he didn't. Barely putting your team in a position to maybe win if things go the way you hope is NOT the performance of an alleged franchise QB.
I find it amazing how many fans have allowed themselves to be bullshitted into thinking mediocrity is acceptable.
You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
I dont get frustrated over a game that I have no control over. When the Giants lose - I find my kids, play outside, maybe follow my fantasy team. Make dinner.
The point is simple.
Jones sucks and shouldnt be our starter in the future, but he played a good game Sunday.
The trolls on this board cant handle that, which is why you see them saying the same shit over and over and over and over...... well you get the picture.
If that performance is deserving of a "hats off" acknowledgement from a Giants homer, it's pretty sad but that's the low bar the QB is apparently expected to clear.
It's a waste of time to evaluate Jones on that scale week-to-week when it's obvious that he's just not the guy, never was, and never will be.
No. I mean putting the game away early so that it's not a nail-biter.
Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that? Telling Singletary to not fumble? Kick extra points? Make a tackle on 3rd and long?
Using cliche sayings doesnt make your point right.
Again 6 drives
3 TDs
One ending on a fumble
One ending on a perfect pass that was dropped
one 3 and out.
If you want to blame him for the 3 and out that hurt us having a chance to win the game - I guess?
But again, you are placing direct blame om Jones when our defensive let them score on EVERY possession AND we had no kicker.
But 18 points!! Look at his stats!!!
Spare me.
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JT? What's the point you're trying to make? What is the significance of Jones's uncontroversially "good/fine" game? Is to point out Jones's critics as obsessive or barely tethered to reality? How? Nearly all of them have said he played fine. Is it that they discount the significance of the performance? How should we read it? Should this game matter given the sample size? How do you read the sample size?
You're probably frustrated about the Giants. It's not the Jones critics you should be mad at. You'd be better directing your ire at Jones or management.
I dont get frustrated over a game that I have no control over. When the Giants lose - I find my kids, play outside, maybe follow my fantasy team. Make dinner.
The point is simple.
Jones sucks and shouldnt be our starter in the future, but he played a good game Sunday.
The trolls on this board cant handle that, which is why you see them saying the same shit over and over and over and over...... well you get the picture.
I suppose you just dislike the people on this thread, because their responses to Jones's game are not to say he was bad, but rather to be concerned about what "hats off" or huge praise from an employee of a media outlet known to be homers might mean for our future with Jones. Management has not shown any willingness to move off Jones despite more than enough evidence that he's at best a bottom 1/3 starter. So the reasonable (note not incontestable) conclusion to draw is that management will severely outweigh fine to good performance an severely discount bad performances.
Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that?
He's had 6 years to figure that out how to overcome his teammates mistakes. Why hasn't he? Why is is always his teammates on the hook to bail out his mistakes?
Again, he didn't cost them the game, and in DJ's evaluation, that's a plus. If you're cool with the bare minimal of expectations from a 6 year $40M veteran QB, that's wholly on you.
Some people like the taste of shit
There are other things to point out.
The personnel groups are managing the shortcomings instead of exploiting mismatched.
Putting your team in a chance to win with your play - which he most certainly did. But if you dont agree - ill have rnargi bitchslap you again.
But again, you are placing direct blame om Jones when our defensive let them score on EVERY possession AND we had no kicker.
But 18 points!! Look at his stats!!!
Spare me.
Where did I do that? Quote me. You can't.
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Ok please explain how he was suppose to do that?
He's had 6 years to figure that out how to overcome his teammates mistakes. Why hasn't he? Why is is always his teammates on the hook to bail out his mistakes?
His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.
His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.
So you are conceding that Jones is not a good enough QB to overcome teammates mistakes, nor put them in a position that requiring a bailout be necessary at all.
I aree.
If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.
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His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.
So you are conceding that Jones is not a good enough QB to overcome teammates mistakes, nor put them in a position that requiring a bailout be necessary at all.
I aree.
lol, your comment makes absolutely zero sense. What did you want him to do specifically? He led his team to a go ahead TD in the fourth quarter and was leading him to a potential go ahead score to end the game. Its the pure definition of overcoming his teammates mistakes Sunday.
Holy shit, we are one fucking clueless fan base.
You do understand we were in that position because our defense got ZERO stops and we had NO kicker. And yet he still moved us down the field at will?
HAHAHAHA...ooooh, you and marge are going to gang up on me? How intimidating!!
Did he make impressive throws? Connect on some bombs? Or did he dump the ball off to Nabers a bunch of times and Nabers gained a bunch of yards because he's supremely talented?
If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.
All i said was he played well/good or whatever on Sunday. You're the one still assessing blame on him for thigns out of his control. Pretty sad if you ask me. Others are using 6 years of poor play for whatever reason.
People cant concetrate on what happened just on Sunday on why we lost. Their Jones hate obsession controls their lives.
Enjoy your meal on your own
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Putting your team in a chance to win with your play - which he most certainly did. But if you dont agree - ill have rnargi bitchslap you again.
HAHAHAHA...ooooh, you and marge are going to gang up on me? How intimidating!!
Did he make impressive throws? Connect on some bombs? Or did he dump the ball off to Nabers a bunch of times and Nabers gained a bunch of yards because he's supremely talented?
Poor baby, he made good throws to an open guy and that makes you sad. I am glad youre still posting and being a miserable fuck. Same schtick, different year.
Look at the throws other QBs make week in and week out. Stroud made some incredible throws Sunday night, for example. Jones doesn't do that because he sucks.
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The pass plays where it is one pass only -no read, they can be pointed out.
If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.
All i said was he played well/good or whatever on Sunday. You're the one still assessing blame on him for thigns out of his control. Pretty sad if you ask me. Others are using 6 years of poor play for whatever reason.
People cant concetrate on what happened just on Sunday on why we lost. Their Jones hate obsession controls their lives.
No, I am pointing out that this is not a full NFL offense.
Playing well in a simplified offense is not good enough for our $40M man.
At that renumeration, he needs to be better.
This thread is getting stupid.
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His teammate fumbled and another dropped a perfect pass - what the hell is he suppose to figure out? Holy shit, this is embarrassing for you.
So you are conceding that Jones is not a good enough QB to overcome teammates mistakes, nor put them in a position that requiring a bailout be necessary at all.
I aree.
lol, your comment makes absolutely zero sense. What did you want him to do specifically? He led his team to a go ahead TD in the fourth quarter and was leading him to a potential go ahead score to end the game. Its the pure definition of overcoming his teammates mistakes Sunday.
Holy shit, we are one fucking clueless fan base.
You do understand we were in that position because our defense got ZERO stops and we had NO kicker. And yet he still moved us down the field at will?
Yeah, we are quickly becoming one of the shittiest fan bases around. Even the hate for Papa and Banks for being "Company Men" boggles my mind and makes me think we are at peak stupidity.
Enjoy your meal on your own
Time to sit this one out. You proved nothing other than that you have zero to littel football knowledge. God damn Jones should have told Nabers how to catch that 4th down pass!
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The pass plays where it is one pass only -no read, they can be pointed out.
If you're hanging your hat on this game, that's a little weak.
All i said was he played well/good or whatever on Sunday. You're the one still assessing blame on him for thigns out of his control. Pretty sad if you ask me. Others are using 6 years of poor play for whatever reason.
People cant concetrate on what happened just on Sunday on why we lost. Their Jones hate obsession controls their lives.
It's very useful being present for some things. You listed some of them Dep; your children's soccer games, a date night with your wife, a beautiful rainbow.
There is no point in appreciating a fine/solid performance by Daniel Jones against a bad defense. There's no point in denigrating it either. It was meaningless. Profoundly meaningless.
It was similar to his mediocrity in 2022 that people like you gushed over. Not bad, not great, but adequate. Pop those champagne corks.
This thread is getting stupid.
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because I said Jones wasn't the reason they lost and that's still not good enough for you dipshits to stop insisting everyone else suck his cock
Enjoy your meal on your own
Time to sit this one out. You proved nothing other than that you have zero to littel football knowledge. God damn Jones should have told Nabers how to catch that 4th down pass!
Slurp
100%
I'm sorry. Was your response just a version of "I know you are, but what am I?"
Are you 12?
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Daniel Jones lives inside your mind all day every day. The obsession is real. I was really hope the giants won to start the year so you could run and cry again. Fakest fan by far on this site.
No lies
But there isn't a fanclub *eyeroll*
If you want to enjoy the rare Jones performance that is fine or solid the way you a wonderful almond croissant on a crisp fall day, then have at it.
But it's perfectly fine to take a different view of the significance of Jones's performance and how to process it.
But ‘really good’ as Carl opined? No fucking way. And if Banks is saying this, I have no doubt others inside the organization think the same about Jones. Year six and we have pom pom wavers like Papa and Banks selling this shit to the fan base. It isn’t even about Jones anymore. He sucks…everyone knows that. It’s more about the clowns running this team who probably believe Jones was masterful vs. WFT.
Somewhere out there, Britt just frowned but doesn't know why
Of the* that should say
Sometimes its too easy. I always said Eric should start a counseling service for the people who are only here to bash the QB and troll the board. He would rake in tons of money.
They are all out in full force now. I would call it the meeting of the minds, but its more like the meeting of the mindless....
Daniel Jones lives inside your guys heads. hahahaha
The actually interesting question is, why was anyone ever a cheerleader for such an obviously subpar quarterback?
Sometimes its too easy. I always said Eric should start a counseling service for the people who are only here to bash the QB and troll the board. He would rake in tons of money.
They are all out in full force now. I would call it the meeting of the minds, but its more like the meeting of the mindless....
Daniel Jones lives inside your guys heads. hahahaha
I recall your defense of Eli in the final 2-3 years of his career when it was evident he was in serious serious decline. I found that defense understandable as a matter of sentiment since Eli won us two rings and is a legend and it's hard to be ruthless when it comes to someone like him.
What has Jones deserved to get even a sliver of the same defense? Or is the point not defending Jones but the psychological proclivities of people who think he's been one of the three major causes of the Giants' ineptitude over the past 5+ years?
learned from you. I told you last night it was my new hobby. Nobody post utter BS more continuously than you. I learned from the best.
You are a great teacher.
But there isn't a fanclub *eyeroll*
Is this really the argument though? I don't think I am arguing with people who want to criticize Jones for Sunday. There were some things I did not love, the first TD throw to Nabers was behind him, the missed two point conversion although Slayton should have had it, the throw could have been better. He really relied on Nabers a lot and nobody else got involved. So, yeah it wasn't perfect, but what are we even talking about. He did what he needed to do for his team to win. The rest of the team, looking primarily at the defense was the cause of the loss and some unforced errors by players who played great games (Singletary and Nabers).
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Saying Jones played a good game and the trolls who are obsessed about Jones come running.
Sometimes its too easy. I always said Eric should start a counseling service for the people who are only here to bash the QB and troll the board. He would rake in tons of money.
They are all out in full force now. I would call it the meeting of the minds, but its more like the meeting of the mindless....
Daniel Jones lives inside your guys heads. hahahaha
I recall your defense of Eli in the final 2-3 years of his career when it was evident he was in serious serious decline. I found that defense understandable as a matter of sentiment since Eli won us two rings and is a legend and it's hard to be ruthless when it comes to someone like him.
What has Jones deserved to get even a sliver of the same defense? Or is the point not defending Jones but the psychological proclivities of people who think he's been one of the three major causes of the Giants' ineptitude over the past 5+ years?
I said he played well in 1 game. And have said throughout last year and the draft process - I wanted a QB. But since i dont post it 500 times a day in multiple threads like a lot of these posters - you may not have seen it.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
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How do you find the time to post the same thing 500 times in this thread?
learned from you. I told you last night it was my new hobby. Nobody post utter BS more continuously than you. I learned from the best.
You are a great teacher.
lol, sure Dep.
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
I agree - the defense was more than just "fine" last week. They really kept us in the game and gave us a chance to win the game.
lol
You're the best at it. Please take the compliment. No one post more BS and nonsense than you as frequesntly as you do. You're the inside man for this board. You are an inspiration for us all.
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lol
You're the best at it. Please take the compliment. No one post more BS and nonsense than you as frequesntly as you do. You're the inside man for this board. You are an inspiration for us all.
How long til you make a new username?
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But it wasn't a hats off performance = hating him and blaming him for the loss
But there isn't a fanclub *eyeroll*
Is this really the argument though? I don't think I am arguing with people who want to criticize Jones for Sunday. There were some things I did not love, the first TD throw to Nabers was behind him, the missed two point conversion although Slayton should have had it, the throw could have been better. He really relied on Nabers a lot and nobody else got involved. So, yeah it wasn't perfect, but what are we even talking about. He did what he needed to do for his team to win. The rest of the team, looking primarily at the defense was the cause of the loss and some unforced errors by players who played great games (Singletary and Nabers).
Jones did what he needed to yes. But was it a performance to be heralded? Apparently saying it's not has some posters (not you, Essex) triggered
Sy's review is now up and he thinks Jones played well too. Here is what he said about Jones:
After a week one to forget, he bounced back and put this team in position to win. That is the first job of a quarterback, and he got it done. When looking at the details of his game – the factors that impact wins and losses the most (turnovers, sacks, explosive plays, and penalties) Jones’ performance was taken to an even higher level. Not one turnover, he took just one sack for three yards, he passed for three explosive plays 20+ yard gains). The mis-fire metric that I discussed last week was down from a week ago by an incredible margin. I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires). He was one of 9 quarterbacks league wide to finish with a 100+ passer rating. He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes.
So, the numbers look great in contrast to where Jones started off week one. Beyond that, I was pleased with the decisiveness overall feel in the pocket.
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
1) Dep is still talking about the Minnesota game for some reason, he’s a little obsessed
2) what does this even mean
After the 10 minute opening drive that netted Washington only a FG, the time of possession was 27-22 in Washington’s favor. That’s a fairly even split to put up enough points to win from down 3-0.
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It always amazes me how easy it is to manipulate stats. So the fact that Washington never punted, held the ball about 38 minutes
and went on 7 consecutive scoring drives including marching right down the field at the end of the game is all part of a defensive performance you can win with and it's the offense is inept.
I can see you guys are getting into a feeding frenzy here, but this is ridiculous even for you, unless three unarmed Giants are the ones who told you while you were heckling Jones as he walked out of stadium.
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).
Again, Dep was talking about week 1. I never said the Giants defense was fine in week 1
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It depends on how you give up the 20 points though. If you do it over 40 minutes it will be a lot less time to score then if you give up 20 points in 30 minutes so that your offense has an extra ten minutes of time to work with. Our defense was awful and just about the only good thing you can say was that the red zone defense was excellent with some help from Washington penalties.
what it means is that you are taking things out of context and just blindly stating that teams who gave up 20+ won game. You are even doing it now, besides the 11 minute drive that opened the game Washington still only out possessed by five minutes for the rest. The fact remains that we basically scored a point per minute (if you include the missed XP that Gano would have made).
Again, Dep was talking about week 1. I never said the Giants defense was fine in week 1
In week 2
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we would credit the defense for only giving up 21 points. We would be such smarter fans then.
5 teams won this week giving 20+ points. So it appears that 20 points in fact is a defensive performance you can win with, if the offense isn’t inept.
It always amazes me how easy it is to manipulate stats. So the fact that Washington never punted, held the ball about 38 minutes
and went on 7 consecutive scoring drives including marching right down the field at the end of the game is all part of a defensive performance you can win with and it's the offense is inept.
I can see you guys are getting into a feeding frenzy here, but this is ridiculous even for you, unless three unarmed Giants are the ones who told you while you were heckling Jones as he walked out of stadium.
Dep wasn’t talking about Washington, for the 10th time. He’s still obsessed with the Minnesota game
Sy's review is now up and he thinks Jones played well too. Here is what he said about Jones:
After a week one to forget, he bounced back and put this team in position to win. That is the first job of a quarterback, and he got it done. When looking at the details of his game – the factors that impact wins and losses the most (turnovers, sacks, explosive plays, and penalties) Jones’ performance was taken to an even higher level. Not one turnover, he took just one sack for three yards, he passed for three explosive plays 20+ yard gains). The mis-fire metric that I discussed last week was down from a week ago by an incredible margin. I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires). He was one of 9 quarterbacks league wide to finish with a 100+ passer rating. He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes.
So, the numbers look great in contrast to where Jones started off week one. Beyond that, I was pleased with the decisiveness overall feel in the pocket.
I respect Sy's opinion, but at the end of the day, it's an opinion from a guy watching the game. Just like all of us. Here was the retort I put in the thread. Sy and I must have been watching two different QBs.
I take issue with these two statements in Sy's report re: Jones:
1. "I recorded just two poor throws (the missed deep balls were not mis-fires)."
2. "He was one of 11 quarterbacks league wide to not throw any turnover worthy passes."
on the first point, there were two different deep balls to Nabers that missed by so much, that Nabers stopped running before the ball started coming down from its apex. those are comically bad deep balls. also, are we forgetting the 2-point conversion that was intercepted? or how about the horrendous throw to Nabers on the WR screen when it was 12-12?
on the 2nd point, immediately after the blown WR screen due to a horrendous throw, Jones threw into TRIPLE coverage when he "red lined" Wandale with 3 defenders around him. that should have been an INT. and then, directly after that play, another bad throw to Slayton that the CB tracked the entire way and deflected. on the subsequent TD drive, Jones threw a horrendous comeback to Nabers on the right side that might have been a pick-6 by a better corner. he then threw to Nabers again in triple coverage on the goal line.
hopefully Sy isn't falling into the same trap as our front office - latching onto examples of mediocrity and calling it hope.
If we want to throw some stats out there.
If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
Does it mean he is a good QB? Of course not. But if he does this every week - its a positive sign. But Do i expect him too? Of course not.
uhh..... no. in fact, big boy NFL franchises actually expect their QB to win the game for them from time to time, if not regularly!
that's why it's the highest paid position in the game and arguably the most important position in all of sports.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
And then he looks bad against DAL "remember the Washington game!"
This is exactly what happened last year with the 2nd half against the Cardinals. No matter how bad Jones looked up until his injury it was "remember the Arizona game!" That half of football was actually worth a hats off too.
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he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
uhh..... no. in fact, big boy NFL franchises actually expect their QB to win the game for them from time to time, if not regularly!
that's why it's the highest paid position in the game and arguably the most important position in all of sports.
QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will. Teams expect their best player to play consistently at a high level to put their teams in position too. If you go by stats, than no Jones line this past weekend wasnt overly impressive.
But considering the outliners that happened in the game, he did what he had to do for the team to win. Jones is usually the number 1 reason why they lose. I will fully admit that.
Not this week. Daboll and the defense get the blame this week.
And then he looks bad against DAL "remember the Washington game!"
This is exactly what happened last year with the 2nd half against the Cardinals. No matter how bad Jones looked up until his injury it was "remember the Arizona game!" That half of football was actually worth a hats off too.
If Jones sucks against CLE like he did against Minnesota - the blame will be justifiably be put on him. He sucked against Minnesota.
tell me you don't understand how the NFL works without saying you don't understand how the NFL works.
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If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
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But how could you possibly be overexcited about that QB performance?
If I could speak from just my opinion.... he put us in a position to win the game. Thats all you can ask for a QB to do.
Does it mean he is a good QB? Of course not. But if he does this every week - its a positive sign. But Do i expect him too? Of course not.
I'm asking and expecting more from my 6th year 40 million a year QB. He had a good enough game. I also don't he did anything all that impressive against arguably the worst defense in the league.
I don't think he was "good". He gave us a chance to win, thats what you want from a backup QB
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QBs dont win games by themselves. Never have, never will.
tell me you don't understand how the NFL works without saying you don't understand how the NFL works.
Show me a single game where a QB won the game all by themselves. I dont want a game where a QB played extremely well and was the best player on the field. Thats not my argument.
Every QB in their history needs guy to block, catch. Also, needs their defense to make stop, and their kicker to make FGs and also a coach who has a clue how to field a healthy roster.
Football is the ultimate TEAM game. Its not golf or tennis.
If we want to throw some stats out there.
Something is going on with QBR this week. They aren't including Carr's performance for some reason. He had a near perfect 100, which is insane.
So, technically Jones would drop a spot to 5th in passing and 6th in EPA.
I have no idea how Hurts graded out so high, especially passing. That was a bad INT to end that game last night.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
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Jones ranked 5th in EPA and 4th in PASS
If we want to throw some stats out there.
Something is going on with QBR this week. They aren't including Carr's performance for some reason. He had a near perfect 100, which is insane.
So, technically Jones would drop a spot to 5th in passing and 6th in EPA.
I have no idea how Hurts graded out so high, especially passing. That was a bad INT to end that game last night.
Not having Carr in there is insane. Is Carr the ultimate dick tease QB. He has 5-6 gamesa year where he is unreal. and then he has some where he looks worse than Daniel Jones.
That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
Sure. As long as we retroactively apply those same standards to the glorious season of 2022 when "Jones won" 9 games and the epic Wild Card victory in Minnesota.
And over the course of a full season, you would hopefully ask more of your QB than to "be in position" to win games. You know what's better than that? Convincingly winning games by scoring a shitload of points with regularity.
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
But ‘really good’ as Carl opined? No fucking way. And if Banks is saying this, I have no doubt others inside the organization think the same about Jones. Year six and we have pom pom wavers like Papa and Banks selling this shit to the fan base. It isn’t even about Jones anymore. He sucks…everyone knows that. It’s more about the clowns running this team who probably believe Jones was masterful vs. WFT.
You realize this is all in your mind, right?
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
As some posters said going into Sunday, this was a get-right game for Jones because (1) his history v Washington and (2) Washington's D right now is a sieve.
If he couldn't perform under those circumstances, the avalanche would have really started.
For a game, he pushed back the barbarians at the gate...
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That's not ALL you can ask of a QB.
It's all you can ask of THIS QB.
I cant ask a QB to play defense or kick field goals. If we had one or the other this weekened, we most likely win - agree?
Sure. As long as we retroactively apply those same standards to the glorious season of 2022 when "Jones won" 9 games and the epic Wild Card victory in Minnesota.
And over the course of a full season, you would hopefully ask more of your QB than to "be in position" to win games. You know what's better than that? Convincingly winning games by scoring a shitload of points with regularity.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, even the 2022 reference.
I also think we could have scored a shitload of points this week if our defense got off the field on 3rd down and our coach was able to see we needed a kicker before the game.
Again, do I expect this to continue? Of course not. But the OL played really well. Singeltary had a very good game outside the fumble and Nabers was a beast.
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
Not one person thinks what happened Sunday is a sign of things to come. But keep making up shit so you can regain the presidency of the GTFC.
The OL seems far better than last year's historic disaster, Nabers showed a small glimpse of what he can become and I bet that drop drives him to be even better. The two rookies in the secondary are exciting and Phillips is showing flashes of being a game changer. The defense on the other hand was absolutely maddening, I am hoping that these are growing pains from having a new scheme, they all seem hesitant and a step slow to react.
If the offense keeps improving and the D which does have a good bit of talent becomes more comfortable in what they are doing maybe this season will give us something to cheer about as fall turns to winter.
I see no evidence that the front office thought he was masterful, none whatsoever.
So much excessive hate, I get it, we don't have the QB we want, no need to exacerbate things.
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I don't think we learned anything new about Jones. Against bad teams he can operate efficiently and put the team in a position to score the equivalent of 3 touchdowns per game.
2022 called and wants its debate back.
Like I've said before, Jones only plays well enough to elicit a post-game debate like this 3 or 4 times a year.
As some posters said going into Sunday, this was a get-right game for Jones because (1) his history v Washington and (2) Washington's D right now is a sieve.
If he couldn't perform under those circumstances, the avalanche would have really started.
For a game, he pushed back the barbarians at the gate...
I appreciate you being reasonable.
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after one horrific game. The only possible off ramps are:
1. career ending injury or
2. Jones finally being cut and never being a good starter anywhere else.
Then they can say "he just never had a chance here" for the rest of their days and they can avoid admitting they were wrong.
There really isn't much of a DJFC presence anymore though. Threads like these used to be replete with defenders diminishing Jones' bad play and insisting we're about to see the real Daniel Jones for good. Now? It's just a few old timers and a dupe with rabies.
Not one person thinks what happened Sunday is a sign of things to come. But keep making up shit so you can regain the presidency of the GTFC.
Exactly, that's what I said. Threads used to be replete with people who'd say it's a sign, now they no longer are.
If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.
If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.
Maybe I have, and yet you arent smart enough to understand it or you dont want to go against your idol. Its a tough call.
The OL seems far better than last year's historic disaster, Nabers showed a small glimpse of what he can become and I bet that drop drives him to be even better. The two rookies in the secondary are exciting and Phillips is showing flashes of being a game changer. The defense on the other hand was absolutely maddening, I am hoping that these are growing pains from having a new scheme, they all seem hesitant and a step slow to react.
If the offense keeps improving and the D which does have a good bit of talent becomes more comfortable in what they are doing maybe this season will give us something to cheer about as fall turns to winter.
Because quite honestly its not possibly to play worse than he did against the Vikings. And while he played well enough, he didn't carve up this crappy defense.
I appreciate the optimism but this isn't a rookie QB they are bringing along. He is not the answer and until they have a possible solution at QB, its hard to be excited about this team. At least for me...
Low standards here for QB.
I respect the hell out of JonC, but this is kind of silly. Yes, people are way too excited about Jones' average to maybe slighty above average QBing on Sunday. However, the sustained drives bit is overcorrecting in the other direction, no? Jones had the Giants in position to score on 6 of 8 drives, two of which were ended on a fumble by an RB who rarely fumbles and a bad drop by our #1 rookie WR.
Sure, two drives failed and one of them was three straight pass attempts. I guess I just find it hard to state "Jones failed to sustain drives" when the major drive killing mistakes were made by other players.
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He left some throws on the field, which could've sustained drives. With a kicker, the Giants probably put 27 on the board, albeit against a bad defense.
Low standards here for QB.
I respect the hell out of JonC, but this is kind of silly. Yes, people are way too excited about Jones' average to maybe slighty above average QBing on Sunday. However, the sustained drives bit is overcorrecting in the other direction, no? Jones had the Giants in position to score on 6 of 8 drives, two of which were ended on a fumble by an RB who rarely fumbles and a bad drop by our #1 rookie WR.
Sure, two drives failed and one of them was three straight pass attempts. I guess I just find it hard to state "Jones failed to sustain drives" when the major drive killing mistakes were made by other players.
To be clear, Jones was fine and nothing more. And that's not good enough. We need to move on. Just seems like people are pointing to lackluster stats without any context to make it seem like he played poorly.
That was more directed towards most Giant fans.
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If you're so upset about me and others supporting Terps, we can start a fan club for you once you post something creative or controversial yet well-reasoned.
Maybe I have, and yet you arent smart enough to understand it or you dont want to go against your idol. Its a tough call.
Not creative.
It comes down to how one defines "well", which is largely subjective of course. Banks didn't start fitting him for a yellow jacket.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
We could have been watching Maye the last 2 weeks, or Darnold, or Fields, or Penix, or Nix or anyone other than Daniel Jones.
There are 6 games until the Giants play Washington again. I'll keep my hat on until we see how those games go for Daniel Jones. If Sunday was his best stuff the Giants are in big trouble.
I'll wait more than 2 games, thanks. And how would it be a "catastrophe" exactly?
Using that standard, you have to toss in Caleb Williams, too.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
I posted this on another thread accidently - totally agree but it's not happening.
Teams are going to start taking Nabors away to some degree. He'll have to start finding secondary receivers which he doesn't do.
He immediately scrambles and looks to dump off. Or run into a sack.
He played pitch and catch basically with Nabors all day.
Wait to the pass rush gets closer - he'll panic.
Cleveland and Dallas will bring out the worse in DJ unfortunately.
There are 6 games until the Giants play Washington again. I'll keep my hat on until we see how those games go for Daniel Jones. If Sunday was his best stuff the Giants are in big trouble.
This is a really good observation - he not fitting the ball in anywhere.
Now - maybe he didn't have to necessarily versus WSH because they are so bad, but when he starts to have to drop ball into receivers I just don't see it happening because - most of all - I think he won't pull the trigger.
And when he does - he's forcing himself to do it and throwing interceptions (like opening day).
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
Hopefully head coach and QB starting next year.
If he has many, many more games like this one my perception changes from he sucks to he's a good backup. We need much, much better if we're ever going to sniff a championship again.
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
By replicate the Rams you mean start by taking a qb 1OA, right?
Good. Because the status quo is fucking broken.
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
If you don't have "the guy" at QB it's a much higher probabilistic path to sustained success to lose as many games as possible as a means of increasing draft capital and hopefully landing a QB. It isn't rocket science. If the premium player selected doesn't work out, the team should cut bait ASAP and try again. Carolina mortgaged draft capital but they could quite easily walk away from Bryce Young and strike gold in the 2025 draft. It's a game of probabilities.
The notion of building culture, a "winning mindset," etc from competing valiantly, but still failing, is pure folly as roster turnover is too significant from season to season.
In the modern NFL, teams should adopt the Ricky Bobby mantra, "if you ain't first, you're last," or at least should hope to be last. Mediocrity is not rewarded.
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In comment 16614245 Walker Gillette said:
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
By replicate the Rams you mean start by taking a qb 1OA, right?
The QB they won the SB with they traded for. So no I don't mean that.
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
The Rams drafted Goff 1.1 and the Lions drafted Stafford 1.1. Good quarterbacks of the level needed to sustainably compete for championships are very rarely made available. At best you land a player the caliber of Mayfield and Cousins and enjoy a tease but fall short each year.
If you don't have "the guy" at QB it's a much higher probabilistic path to sustained success to lose as many games as possible as a means of increasing draft capital and hopefully landing a QB. It isn't rocket science. If the premium player selected doesn't work out, the team should cut bait ASAP and try again. Carolina mortgaged draft capital but they could quite easily walk away from Bryce Young and strike gold in the 2025 draft. It's a game of probabilities.
The notion of building culture, a "winning mindset," etc from competing valiantly, but still failing, is pure folly as roster turnover is too significant from season to season.
In the modern NFL, teams should adopt the Ricky Bobby mantra, "if you ain't first, you're last," or at least should hope to be last. Mediocrity is not rewarded.
Yet both those guys were made available.
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he continues to improve, the team had a good year and leaves the season with something to truly build upon. I see the sentiment for this Gotterdammerung type of rebuild were everything is ended, the regime, players and bad spirits are purged but ther e is no guarantee that a 2-15 season is going to end it all once and for all. That could just result in an extremely aggravating debacle and a restart that may once again fail.
It would be far better for Daboll to prove he is the guy, the young talent to blossom and the quality vets to show that they are quality players. A fifth regime change in what ten years just makes the team look worse and again leaves no guarantee that that will be the answer. Bryce Young got benched yesterday and there has been a whole hell of a lot of rookie QBs struggling. If they decide Jones isn't very he guy than I would rather have him replaced and bring in the new guy with a good cast around him than start from scratch. Last year's NFC Championship game had a QB who was traded for a going against Mr. Irrelevant. It can be done
They should go 2-15, it’s for the betterment of the franchise.
Trying to replicate San Francisco can’t be done in time to save Daboll and Schoen’s jobs
2-15 sure as hell won't save Schoen and Daboll's jobs and you are just automatically assuming that with the 1st pick they'll get a guaranteed stud QB which time has proven is far from guaranteed. It would be far better for the franchise to have many other pieces in place and work on the QB from there. They could replicate the Rams or the Lions, maybe get lucky like the Eagles(?) or 9ers. In any event I'd rather see a good year than a complete band utter debacle where everything need start from scratch again
By replicate the Rams you mean start by taking a qb 1OA, right?
The QB they won the SB with they traded for. So no I don't mean that.
The Rams started their path to the SB by drafting Goff 1.1 and building the team around him. He got them to a SB, and also got the bag after. They then decided they needed someone else and traded for Stafford who got them all the way. But to characterize LAR as "building the team first and then getting a QB" is not being truthful.
The problem is 1) paying Jones and 2) if we have even a decent season and Jones plays at even a below average level -- it means we are sticking with Jones at $40 M until he retires or gets hurt.
That's really what's driving all of this. Jones was fine against WFT. A non-descrjpt, shoulder shrug kind of game. If it was some other random journeyman QB, nobody would really care about the game. But there is legit fear that if Jones strings a few of these games together we could be looking at year 7 or even year 8 of this misery.
Because big changes always helps this organization..
We could have been watching Maye the last 2 weeks, or Darnold, or Fields, or Penix, or Nix or anyone other than Daniel Jones.
Maye was not available. Keep your wishes for what was possible
Watch the QBs eyes on a pass play.
Watch this QBs eyes stay on the same receiver from before the play starts.
They absolutely can, these are hardly unique offensive concepts, and the reads are based not only on the playcall but on what the defense shows you pre and post snap.
That's the position. Making the correct read virtually instantaneously.
You can argue that being critical of the decisions/reads Jones made is hindsight, but that's no different than watching film after the game.
His second game was better than his first game.
We wait for his third game.
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Drafting him anywhere in round 1 would have been a catastrophe.
Using that standard, you have to toss in Caleb Williams, too.
Caleb Williams wasnt in college for 10 years.
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understand the "experts" that say "he made the wrong read" or he's a "one read QB." You can say he missed an open guy or made a bad throw but nobody really knows what his reads were or all 11 players' reads. And if you pretend to...
They absolutely can, these are hardly unique offensive concepts, and the reads are based not only on the playcall but on what the defense shows you pre and post snap.
That's the position. Making the correct read virtually instantaneously.
You can argue that being critical of the decisions/reads Jones made is hindsight, but that's no different than watching film after the game.
This.
Most offensive schemes share similarities. And within those similarities is a progression sequence for particular passing/route concepts.
It's not as complicated as some fans assume for well-schooled analysts (even amateurs if they've played at a high level) to immediately recognize an offensive concept and know what the most likely progressions are.
How else do you think QB prospects are able to diagram plays on the board at the combine and correctly identify the reads/progressions? They're not doing it from a study guide that the team provided ahead of time; they're doing it from their own understanding of what each concept entails and what they know to be the keys that they're looking for.