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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/18/2024 9:35 am
John and I will be interviewing Rich Seubert tonight but we also will be discussing the upcoming game.

Browns.... coming off of a very good defensive year. QB and injury issues. Opener was bad. Steadied the ship a bit against the Jaguars, but offense is still an issue. Both OTs a bit banged up.
Looking forward to both  
jvm52106 : 9/18/2024 9:39 am : link
Rich Seubert interview and our breaking down the Browns game. I think we might have different views on this game..
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Pete in MD : 9/18/2024 9:42 am : link
Last stand game  
Sean : 9/18/2024 9:46 am : link
I think 0-4 after Dallas is when things start to happen and the avalanche is uncontrollable. If NYG is 0-3 heading into next Thursday, the fans will either be out for blood or in Cowboys gear.
Their D is going to cause us some major problems  
Jerry in_DC : 9/18/2024 9:52 am : link
Going from facing probably the worst D in the league to probably the best. We are going to struggle to move the ball and probably turn it over a few times. Our D is going to have to be way way better for the Giants to be competitive in this game.
If our D somehow doesn't manage to get this group to punt  
Metnut : 9/18/2024 9:54 am : link
all game, then might as well wrap it up and start tanking for the draft.

On the other hand, if our OL is able to hold these guys off and the offense is somehow able to build off of last week, then maybe there's hope this season won't be a complete dud.
I will be shocked if this team is not 0-8  
Chris684 : 9/18/2024 9:55 am : link
heading into the November matchup with the Commanders.
RE: I will be shocked if this team is not 0-8  
Sean : 9/18/2024 10:00 am : link
In comment 16614853 Chris684 said:
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heading into the November matchup with the Commanders.

I don't see how Schoen & Daboll aren't fired if that's the case in season. You can't be 0-8 after the offseason they've had.

-$40M QB
-Costly trade for Burns and massive contract
-Heavy investment in the OL
-Number 1 WR drafted for $40M QB

If they are 0-8, they better not be in the building against WSH.
RE: RE: I will be shocked if this team is not 0-8  
Chris684 : 9/18/2024 10:09 am : link
In comment 16614858 Sean said:
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In comment 16614853 Chris684 said:


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heading into the November matchup with the Commanders.


I don't see how Schoen & Daboll aren't fired if that's the case in season. You can't be 0-8 after the offseason they've had.

-$40M QB
-Costly trade for Burns and massive contract
-Heavy investment in the OL
-Number 1 WR drafted for $40M QB

If they are 0-8, they better not be in the building against WSH.


Buckle up Sean. It's going to get ugly. Even if I'm wrong, what is their actual record? 1-7? It's not going to be good. I was listening to Francesa's postgame podcast Sunday and he commented that Daboll looks like a completely different coach (not meaning his weight) but that he's lost a spark in these media interactions. Daboll likely already knows how this story is going to end.
RE: RE: RE: I will be shocked if this team is not 0-8  
Blueworm : 9/18/2024 10:13 am : link
In comment 16614870 Chris684 said:
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In comment 16614858 Sean said:


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In comment 16614853 Chris684 said:


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heading into the November matchup with the Commanders.


I don't see how Schoen & Daboll aren't fired if that's the case in season. You can't be 0-8 after the offseason they've had.

-$40M QB
-Costly trade for Burns and massive contract
-Heavy investment in the OL
-Number 1 WR drafted for $40M QB

If they are 0-8, they better not be in the building against WSH.



Buckle up Sean. It's going to get ugly. Even if I'm wrong, what is their actual record? 1-7? It's not going to be good. I was listening to Francesa's postgame podcast Sunday and he commented that Daboll looks like a completely different coach (not meaning his weight) but that he's lost a spark in these media interactions. Daboll likely already knows how this story is going to end.


Our minds are products of our bodily interaction with the world. Weight gain and loss can change people.

He was also told to look within about his fiery temper. If he seems more languid, that may be why.
Chris684.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2024 10:19 am : link
September 26th is going to be ugly. I’m expecting the place to be packed with Dallas fans.
RE: Chris684.  
Chris684 : 9/18/2024 10:26 am : link
In comment 16614880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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September 26th is going to be ugly. I’m expecting the place to be packed with Dallas fans.


I'm still in shock over the QB plan (or lack thereof) this offseason. Everything before that I could have forgiven. How Schoen and Daboll couldn't see this coming, I'll never know.
I think Cleveland can be beaten  
56goat : 9/18/2024 10:32 am : link
but not if we keep rolling out a swiss cheese defense.
Does it matter?  
Mike from Ohio : 9/18/2024 10:34 am : link
If the Giants win this game, and look impressive doing it, then what?

If they lose to Dallas at home the following week they are 1-3 and the knives are out in full force for everyone. The Browns game is meaningless. Conversely, if the Giants lose to the Browns but beat the Cowboys, there will be a different view of this team, and Jones will keep starting.

The Browns game is a pre-season game that doesn't not matter, because the fate of this team is being decided on Thursday night against the Cowboys at MetLife.
Better test for the OL  
Lines of Scrimmage : 9/18/2024 10:34 am : link
Elite edge player and VG corner on D (I think both are questionable). If they can run the ball at least as well as this past week that will help get the pass game going.

The D is a huge concern imv. I don't see this game 3 awakening I have seen suggested comparing this D to Spags in 2007. Very different team and also first two opponents.

Cleveland last season was outstanding on D at home.
Garrett (if healthy) vs AT is worth the price of admission  
JoeSchoens11 : 9/18/2024 10:50 am : link
Throw in some Nabers YAC and I’m actually looking forward to watching our O.

The D isn’t as much fun but I’ll be focusing on Dexy and Phillips with some occasional glances at Burns/KT

I’ll be at the game  
Earl the goat : 9/18/2024 10:58 am : link
Sitting near the dawg pound

Woof
Very low total  
armstead98 : 9/18/2024 11:03 am : link
I think it’s like 38.5 points which is very low for the NFL. With a 6.5 spread that means markets are expecting the score to be about 22-16. I’d like to think the giants D can do better than that this week.

I like the giants to cover.
It’s a winnable game  
Breeze_94 : 9/18/2024 11:27 am : link
For the Giants if they can figure out a way to score 20 points. Cleveland is not very good offensively, and will be without Njoku. Obviously no Chubb either.



We are going to need...  
bw in dc : 9/18/2024 11:29 am : link
Watson and the Cleveland offense to be magnanimous and give us some breaks - turnovers, field position, etc.

Because their D can be nasty. They are old on the DL - outside of Garrett - but they will be the biggest test for this OL. And their secondary can cover and hit. Big test for sure.
RE: Last stand game  
Breeze_94 : 9/18/2024 11:30 am : link
In comment 16614848 Sean said:
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I think 0-4 after Dallas is when things start to happen and the avalanche is uncontrollable. If NYG is 0-3 heading into next Thursday, the fans will either be out for blood or in Cowboys gear.


Wouldn’t be so sure that Dallas game is an automatic loss like it has been in years past. And this has more to do with Dallas than it does the Giants.

They are not very good. Offensively, it’s Lamb and that’s it. Their running game is non existent, Ferguson is banged up, and their OL has taken another step back. Defensively, they were horrible last week at home.
RE: Last stand game  
HBart : 9/18/2024 11:34 am : link
In comment 16614848 Sean said:
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I think 0-4 after Dallas is when things start to happen and the avalanche is uncontrollable. If NYG is 0-3 heading into next Thursday, the fans will either be out for blood or in Cowboys gear.

This thread is "Lets talk Cleveland Browns". There's 1,230 other threads expounding your negative team narrative and sweeping dire predictions.
RE: I’ll be at the game  
Mayo2JZ : 9/18/2024 11:37 am : link
In comment 16614930 Earl the goat said:
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Sitting near the dawg pound

Woof


I will be there too but I don't know where I am sitting
This is a very winnable game.  
Section331 : 9/18/2024 11:37 am : link
Browns D is really good with a good pass rush. D is going to have to step up, especially the ER’s. I thought both Burns and KT played well on Sunday, hell even Ojulari. They’re going to have to step up, Okereke too. Cleveland is going to try to run the ball down our throats.
We win game if D shows up  
TheBlueprintNC : 9/18/2024 11:41 am : link
Should have won in DC. We have a good offense that is just getting started -new kicker should help lol. OL test will be fun to watch.. this is first game of team coming together for big W! Lets go.
Richie S is a great guest to have this week...  
Dnew15 : 9/18/2024 11:42 am : link
because that Giants DL better bring their lunch pale to work Sunday. They are going to have be way better than last week to have a chance at a W.
Giants won't be 0-8  
averagejoe : 9/18/2024 12:03 pm : link
There are too many bad teams in the NFL and not enough good QB's to go around . Injuries happen . Watson could lose this game for Cleveland but I don't expect much from Giant offense . Giant defense will need to win this game .
We should have won last week  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/18/2024 12:13 pm : link
We are going to win this week.
RE: We are going to need...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 9/18/2024 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16614971 bw in dc said:
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Watson and the Cleveland offense to be magnanimous and give us some breaks - turnovers, field position, etc.

Because their D can be nasty. They are old on the DL - outside of Garrett - but they will be the biggest test for this OL. And their secondary can cover and hit. Big test for sure.


Watson’s numbers are by and large worse than Jones so far this season. Nick Chubb hasn’t played yet. The Jags, who haven’t won a game in forever, had across the board better stats than the Browns last week, but screwed up in the red zone.
maybe the NYG defense can win a game on its own  
djm : 9/18/2024 12:56 pm : link
just one time this fucking decade. Asking too much.

RE: Does it matter?  
Eightshamrocks : 9/18/2024 1:02 pm : link
In comment 16614898 Mike from Ohio said:
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If the Giants win this game, and look impressive doing it, then what?

If they lose to Dallas at home the following week they are 1-3 and the knives are out in full force for everyone. The Browns game is meaningless. Conversely, if the Giants lose to the Browns but beat the Cowboys, there will be a different view of this team, and Jones will keep starting.

The Browns game is a pre-season game that doesn't not matter, because the fate of this team is being decided on Thursday night against the Cowboys at MetLife.
How about beatibg both to get to 2-2? Whole new ballgame then.
RE: maybe the NYG defense can win a game on its own  
rsjem1979 : 9/18/2024 1:08 pm : link
In comment 16615101 djm said:
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just one time this fucking decade. Asking too much.


You mean like the Carolina and Washington games in 2022?
Love Rich Seubert  
The Mike : 9/18/2024 1:16 pm : link
One of the best UDFAs in Giants history. And was no doubt interfered with on the second most infamous plays in Giants history after the Pisarcik fumble, the infamous Trey Junkin play!

The only way the Giants win this game is if 1) The Browns beat themselves and/or 2) The Giants defense wins the game by winning the turnover differential and getting at least one score. The best that can be said about the offense is that they maintain the time of possession advantage, methodically control the line of scrimmage and make no mistakes. Since none of this is likely, I would expect the Browns to win this game going away.

My question for Rich, why are the Giants not at least trying Evan Neal at guard? He cannot pass pro on an island and is a ferocious run blocker. Is he simply not capable of playing the position? It makes zero sense to have Neal twiddling his thumbs playing behind Van Roten, who is the most poorly graded of the OL and will be gone next year.
Browns tackles are banged up  
GiantGrit : 9/18/2024 1:20 pm : link
Would be nice to have Kayvon and Burns wreck a game finally, not counting on it though.
Chris684  
GiantGrit : 9/18/2024 1:21 pm : link
I caught a similar vibe watching Daboll after week 1.
Jacksonville is shit.  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/18/2024 1:24 pm : link
Browns winning that one hardly impressive. Giants can just as easily win this one as lose it. Both teams are shit. Both QBs horribly over paid lol. So there’s that for us. Our Qb isn’t the most overpaid one this week.

Asked as crazy as this sounds I think the defense is so flawed structurally and Bowen is the horrible hire that even if by some miracle the offense shows up I see them as the reason for the loss again. You can’t run a 4-3 w out a single top end DE in the team. They literally traded for a better version of Thibs. Burns isn’t much better vs the run than Thibs even if he’s a better Edge. They also don’t have one other starter level DT in the team.

The league has been shifting a bit back to more running and there won’t be a team who won’t double and triple Dex and just run all day if they have a clue.
This game may just be close  
SGMen : 9/18/2024 1:37 pm : link
If the Giants defense can put it together and the offensive line protects Jones perhaps this will be the game where we get a pass or two off for deep completions? We need teams to be weary of the deep ball as we have speed.

The 2022 draft is killing us since we don't have a single probowl/top end star from a draft where we had a ton of early picks like Neal and Thibodeux.

What happened to Bellinger after a solid rookie year?

This game is where Thiodeux and Burns must finally get thru and create turnovers for us.

I'm a fan so Giants win by a FG!
RE: RE: Does it matter?  
Mike from Ohio : 9/18/2024 2:07 pm : link
In comment 16615109 Eightshamrocks said:
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If the Giants win this game, and look impressive doing it, then what?

If they lose to Dallas at home the following week they are 1-3 and the knives are out in full force for everyone. The Browns game is meaningless. Conversely, if the Giants lose to the Browns but beat the Cowboys, there will be a different view of this team, and Jones will keep starting.

The Browns game is a pre-season game that doesn't not matter, because the fate of this team is being decided on Thursday night against the Cowboys at MetLife.

How about beatibg both to get to 2-2? Whole new ballgame then.


My apologies. I am anchored to reality, not wishes and hopes.
RE: RE: RE: Does it matter?  
JerseyCityJoe : 9/18/2024 2:13 pm : link
In comment 16615167 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 16614898 Mike from Ohio said:


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If the Giants win this game, and look impressive doing it, then what?

If they lose to Dallas at home the following week they are 1-3 and the knives are out in full force for everyone. The Browns game is meaningless. Conversely, if the Giants lose to the Browns but beat the Cowboys, there will be a different view of this team, and Jones will keep starting.

The Browns game is a pre-season game that doesn't not matter, because the fate of this team is being decided on Thursday night against the Cowboys at MetLife.

How about beatibg both to get to 2-2? Whole new ballgame then.



My apologies. I am anchored to reality, not wishes and hopes.

Then why do you watch sports? Wishes and hopes are 50% of being a fan. If you want pure reality chemistry might be for you.
Deshaun Watson running  
Mike from SI : 9/18/2024 2:18 pm : link
will probably be an issue, considering we had trouble tackling the Washington QB. Make Watson pass! Will be interesting to see Banks on Amari Cooper.
Giants win this week  
GiantGrit : 9/18/2024 2:32 pm : link
Gut feeling with absolutely no basis in reality.
RE: RE: Last stand game  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 9/18/2024 6:11 pm : link
In comment 16614976 HBart said:
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In comment 16614848 Sean said:


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I think 0-4 after Dallas is when things start to happen and the avalanche is uncontrollable. If NYG is 0-3 heading into next Thursday, the fans will either be out for blood or in Cowboys gear.


This thread is "Lets talk Cleveland Browns". There's 1,230 other threads expounding your negative team narrative and sweeping dire predictions.


This coming from a poster who has gone very quiet since the start of the season. I wonder why…
RE: RE: RE: Last stand game  
HBart : 9/18/2024 6:23 pm : link
In comment 16615405 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 16614976 HBart said:


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In comment 16614848 Sean said:


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I think 0-4 after Dallas is when things start to happen and the avalanche is uncontrollable. If NYG is 0-3 heading into next Thursday, the fans will either be out for blood or in Cowboys gear.


This thread is "Lets talk Cleveland Browns". There's 1,230 other threads expounding your negative team narrative and sweeping dire predictions.



This coming from a poster who has gone very quiet since the start of the season. I wonder why…

What would be strange would be wanting to to hang around a cesspool of negativity with people who love it and root for failure.

Plus I enjoy talking football. Which is impossible with so many assholes who would rather talk about the same old bullshit.

Quod erat demonstrandum.
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BrettNYG10 : 9/18/2024 7:12 pm : link
I think the Browns defense kills us. Watson hasn't been good since like 2020, so maybe we have a chance because he will do something stupid. Or maybe we revitalize his career.

I think this will be an awful game to watch. Browns have a fantastic defense and will probably win because of that.
RE: ....  
Eric on Li : 9/18/2024 7:15 pm : link
In comment 16615455 BrettNYG10 said:
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I think the Browns defense kills us. Watson hasn't been good since like 2020, so maybe we have a chance because he will do something stupid. Or maybe we revitalize his career.

I think this will be an awful game to watch. Browns have a fantastic defense and will probably win because of that.


i think schwartz has generally done well against us too. amazingly despite that and watson and no chubb im more worried about the defense at this point.
RE: RE: ....  
BrettNYG10 : 9/18/2024 7:19 pm : link
In comment 16615457 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16615455 BrettNYG10 said:


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I think the Browns defense kills us. Watson hasn't been good since like 2020, so maybe we have a chance because he will do something stupid. Or maybe we revitalize his career.

I think this will be an awful game to watch. Browns have a fantastic defense and will probably win because of that.



i think schwartz has generally done well against us too. amazingly despite that and watson and no chubb im more worried about the defense at this point.


They have some awesome players to watch on defense too. They were a very fun team to watch last year.

I root against them because of Watson, though.
RE: Love Rich Seubert  
jvm52106 : 9/18/2024 10:33 pm : link
In comment 16615120 The Mike said:
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One of the best UDFAs in Giants history. And was no doubt interfered with on the second most infamous plays in Giants history after the Pisarcik fumble, the infamous Trey Junkin play!

The only way the Giants win this game is if 1) The Browns beat themselves and/or 2) The Giants defense wins the game by winning the turnover differential and getting at least one score. The best that can be said about the offense is that they maintain the time of possession advantage, methodically control the line of scrimmage and make no mistakes. Since none of this is likely, I would expect the Browns to win this game going away.

My question for Rich, why are the Giants not at least trying Evan Neal at guard? He cannot pass pro on an island and is a ferocious run blocker. Is he simply not capable of playing the position? It makes zero sense to have Neal twiddling his thumbs playing behind Van Roten, who is the most poorly graded of the OL and will be gone next year.


You will love his interview. The guy was awesome.
RE: If our D somehow doesn't manage to get this group to punt  
Gman11 : 4:54 am : link
In comment 16614852 Metnut said:
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all game, then might as well wrap it up and start tanking for the draft.


I'm not sure tanking is needed. They can lose just fine without doing it on purpose
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ryanmkeane : 9:01 am : link
Nobody on the Browns offense really scares you, but they can create havoc on D and create turnovers.

If you keep Garrett in check, Giants can win.
Much depend on the OTs  
HBart : 10:23 am : link
If Jones plays (he didn't practice yesterday), as O'Hara pointed out, it's his first action since hosing his knee late last year. Burns etc. should be able to take advantage of that on at least a few early possessions.

Garrett is obviously a huge deal. He also didn't practice but that's not surprising; you have to figure he'll play. Whoever wins the heavyweight battle of he v. AT will make a big impact.

I haven't watched CLE much; O'Hara thought their aggressive D is both a serious challenge and big chunk play opportunity.

Really not sure what to think about Watson, and I think that goes for most people.

You'd expect some growing pains with a new system but last week was more like a heart attack. How the D responds will be the key. Last weeks level of offensive performance with a solid D and no ST disasters would make this an eminently winnable game. We shall see.....
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