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| There was a moment late in the summer when it appeared this might go sideways. Unhappy with the situation, Hyatt said during practice that if the Giants weren't going to use him, they should trade him, multiple team sources told ESPN. That does not appear it will happen. Hyatt is still in their plans. |
That's his problem. Hopefully he figures it out.
Get better.
Right now, Slayton is the better player. You can trust Slayton and he’s proven. And you aren’t taking Nabers off the field for Hyatt.
Sure they should try and work Hyatt in more, and I’d love to see more utilization of 11 personnel as I believe WR is the strength of this offense, but it’s a catch 22 as it puts more on the plate of Jones who is the weak link on the offense.
Correction - another player letting down Daniel Jones.
Why do all of our players hate him so much? Why do they do this to him?
Looks more like an issue with Brian Daboll, but go ahead.
Not to mention the shell defenses we've mostly seen in the 8 quarters all these sweeping conclusions are drawn on negate Hyatt's best asset.
The Daniel Jones boogieman crew has lost the ability for rational thought.
Take a good hard look as to why that might be.
For reflection he had 7 targets in 5.5 games with one QB and 33 in 11.5 games with the other QBs.
Take a good hard look as to why that might be.
For reflection he had 7 targets in 5.5 games with one QB and 33 in 11.5 games with the other QBs.
Yup, he’s a deep threat and Danny can’t throw past 7-8 yards.
I'm not a Jones apologist, but this isn't a Jones issue. His route tree is a basically a straight line. The coaches should be working with him to become more polished on other route concepts.
Think of it, Hyatt is so soft the giants won't even use him on Jet sweeps with his speed because he couldn't handle being tackled by Linebackers
Yeah if this isnt true he sold him out for podcast content.
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
Or Jordan is smarter than he looks and knew he was going to get some play with locker room comments and needed a story to follow up on a specifici player..
So he chose the player who is most likely to be upset with playing time
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
Ummm, but we have Nabers now and I suspect Devito and Taylor would be throwing to him a ton too..
Plus- You gave to be on the field to be targeted.
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
His best games to date have been with Jones and DeVito. He had a number of starts with Tyrod whose strength is the deep ball and they only had explosive play together.
He reportedly had a good camp and was in front of Slayton in camp and preseason. It wasn't until late preseason and Week 1 did Hyatt fall below him. To me, it tells us Daboll is more frustrated with his route running and probably his spacial awareness.
They fking traded up for the guy but cant get him the ball....that's the problem.
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
One, how many snaps did he get with each.
Two, what were the records of teams each QB played against.
Three, in what part of the season were those games. The ones with Jones were early in the year, when you wouldn't expect a third-round rookie to play much. It was also when the O line was decimated by injuries.
If anything, I'd sooner believe he yelled it out in frustration during practice...as opposed to going to the coaches or front office with a formal request.
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I asked Jalin if he was pissed when he heard about trade rumors: “Yes I am, it’s a fake story and I feel like it’s a hit job”
Pretty strong words from Hyatt.
His best games to date have been with Jones and DeVito. He had a number of starts with Tyrod whose strength is the deep ball and they only had explosive play together.
He reportedly had a good camp and was in front of Slayton in camp and preseason. It wasn't until late preseason and Week 1 did Hyatt fall below him. To me, it tells us Daboll is more frustrated with his route running and probably his spacial awareness.
Hyatt caught two long balls from Taylor in the home game vs the Commanders (42y and 33y) Week 7 that a lot of people remember.
Those 75y were his total for that game. He only had two other games where he and Taylor were on the field together for significant time (@BUF and vs LAR) and he was 3/21 and 3/25 on receptions in those games.
With Jones, Hyatt had the one game @AZ Week 2 where he caught two for 89y (58 and 31). Otherwise, only 2 other catches for 10 yards total in the first five weeks of the season.
With DeVito, Hyatt had the one big game vs Patriots with 5/109 and catches of 41, 29 and 22. Otherwise, not much.
I have no particular disagreement with your conclusion, but that's what happened in 2023.
What an absolutely ridiculous comment. Soft as Ice Cream and can't fight for the ball? Evidence?
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if you think about the incentive structures for a NYG beat writer, doom is what sells so they are all racing each other to blow up anything they can.
it's bizarre because there is so much legitimate stuff they could comment on like the kicker thing or the defensive ineptitude, and instead they do gossip stuff like this. i mean if it were actually an accurate thing that happened it would be 1 thing but seems clear it isnt.
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
Most WRs 1st few games (especially raw 3rd rounders) aren’t productive in their first few games.
I like and respect that you bring stats to the party but you really should account for context beyond the numbers.
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With Daniel Jones in 8 games he has 5 receptions for 99 yards
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
One, how many snaps did he get with each.
Two, what were the records of teams each QB played against.
Three, in what part of the season were those games. The ones with Jones were early in the year, when you wouldn't expect a third-round rookie to play much. It was also when the O line was decimated by injuries.
Do you guys even look at basic stats before conjuring up excuses?
Hyatt played 5 games with Jones and had just 4 receptions in 5 games and 5 targets
Then all of a sudden Jones is out and he gets 5 receptions on 9 targets in next 2 games before Daboll didn’t allow DeVito to throw vs Jets
Vs Raiders Jones cones back and no receptions on 2 targets and then Jones leaves and 2 receptions on 3 targets in limited throws from DeVito.
For you record guys , the only actual play Jones made with Hyatt was vs the Cardinals. Do you need me to tell you how bad they were ?
And it took Hyatt prodding him-
“I told DJ right before we broke out after the huddle, I said, ‘Throw it,’ I said, ‘Just throw it.’ And he trusted me, he threw it,” Hyatt told reporters after the game.
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That's the hard truth.
Just leveling the playing field for the DJ enthusiasts who have never had the capacity for rational thought to begin with.
Why would a 2nd year player who is a 3rd round draft pick who isn't the 1st or 2nd option on the team start demanding a trade? That would be ridiculous and is not the type of kid Hyatt is based on everything we've seen.
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With Daniel Jones in 8 games he has 5 receptions for 99 yards
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
One, how many snaps did he get with each.
Two, what were the records of teams each QB played against.
Three, in what part of the season were those games. The ones with Jones were early in the year, when you wouldn't expect a third-round rookie to play much. It was also when the O line was decimated by injuries.
Do you guys even look at basic stats before conjuring up excuses?
Hyatt played 5 games with Jones and had just 4 receptions in 5 games and 5 targets
Then all of a sudden Jones is out and he gets 5 receptions on 9 targets in next 2 games before Daboll didn’t allow DeVito to throw vs Jets
Vs Raiders Jones cones back and no receptions on 2 targets and then Jones leaves and 2 receptions on 3 targets in limited throws from DeVito.
For you record guys , the only actual play Jones made with Hyatt was vs the Cardinals. Do you need me to tell you how bad they were ?
And it took Hyatt prodding him-
“I told DJ right before we broke out after the huddle, I said, ‘Throw it,’ I said, ‘Just throw it.’ And he trusted me, he threw it,” Hyatt told reporters after the game.
Going further, Hyatt has run (prorating the injury games) roughly 300 routes for TT/DeVito and only 116 for DJ. Using your numbers for catches and yards, DJs #s per 100 routes is 4.3 catches for 85 yards, TT/DeVito is 6 catches for 92 yards. That seems pretty comparable to me but you’re trying to make it sound as if TT/DeVito‘s production blows DJs out of the water.
And a broken watch is correct twice a day. Hell we have people on BBI that post under the same mantra - if you put enough shit out there, eventually something will be correct.
Not to mention the shell defenses we've mostly seen in the 8 quarters all these sweeping conclusions are drawn on negate Hyatt's best asset.
The Daniel Jones boogieman crew has lost the ability for rational thought.
This is the most salient point. Everyone is playing two deep safeties right now. To the point that ding dong Kiper is advocating prohibiting it. That takes away the main routes in which Hyatt would excel.
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With Daniel Jones in 8 games he has 5 receptions for 99 yards
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
One, how many snaps did he get with each.
Two, what were the records of teams each QB played against.
Three, in what part of the season were those games. The ones with Jones were early in the year, when you wouldn't expect a third-round rookie to play much. It was also when the O line was decimated by injuries.
Do you guys even look at basic stats before conjuring up excuses?
Hyatt played 5 games with Jones and had just 4 receptions in 5 games and 5 targets
Then all of a sudden Jones is out and he gets 5 receptions on 9 targets in next 2 games before Daboll didn’t allow DeVito to throw vs Jets
Vs Raiders Jones cones back and no receptions on 2 targets and then Jones leaves and 2 receptions on 3 targets in limited throws from DeVito.
For you record guys , the only actual play Jones made with Hyatt was vs the Cardinals. Do you need me to tell you how bad they were ?
And it took Hyatt prodding him-
“I told DJ right before we broke out after the huddle, I said, ‘Throw it,’ I said, ‘Just throw it.’ And he trusted me, he threw it,” Hyatt told reporters after the game.
I think your problem is that you only look at ‘basic stats’ and forget to dig deeper (or worse, intentionally avoid saying what you learned if you did dig deeper and it didn’t fit your narrative). For instance, saying DJ played 8 games with Hyatt and TT/DeVito played 11 ignored the fact (which you seem to call ‘excuses’) that DJ threw less than 1/2 of the passes in the 2 games he got injured in. To compare numbers per game is more like just under 7 games for DJ and just over 12 for TT/DeVito.
Going further, Hyatt has run (prorating the injury games) roughly 300 routes for TT/DeVito and only 116 for DJ. Using your numbers for catches and yards, DJs #s per 100 routes is 4.3 catches for 85 yards, TT/DeVito is 6 catches for 92 yards. That seems pretty comparable to me but you’re trying to make it sound as if TT/DeVito‘s production blows DJs out of the water.
I accounted for the Jones injury vs Raiders
Jones got injured into the 4Q vs Miami. Thats a full game
But it was obvious to anyone with eyes last year that Taylor & DeVito were more agressive down field than jones was
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With Daniel Jones in 8 games he has 5 receptions for 99 yards
With TT and DeVito he has 18 receptions for 276 yards in 11 games.
DELETED A BUNCH TO SAVE SPACE
Going further, Hyatt has run (prorating the injury games) roughly 300 routes for TT/DeVito and only 116 for DJ. Using your numbers for catches and yards, DJs #s per 100 routes is 4.3 catches for 85 yards, TT/DeVito is 6 catches for 92 yards. That seems pretty comparable to me but you’re trying to make it sound as if TT/DeVito‘s production blows DJs out of the water.
I accounted for the Jones injury vs Raiders
Jones got injured into the 4Q vs Miami. Thats a full game
But it was obvious to anyone with eyes last year that Taylor & DeVito were more agressive down field than jones was
But that’s beside the point - his per route yardage is nearly identical with and without DJ, regardless of DJ’s aggressiveness. Hyatt is NOT playing better when DJs out, he’s simply compiled more yards due to having run more routes.
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a "Hit job" and a "fake story"
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if you think about the incentive structures for a NYG beat writer, doom is what sells so they are all racing each other to blow up anything they can.
it's bizarre because there is so much legitimate stuff they could comment on like the kicker thing or the defensive ineptitude, and instead they do gossip stuff like this. i mean if it were actually an accurate thing that happened it would be 1 thing but seems clear it isnt.
I don't mind Raanan but "Daboll is losing that locker room" and this in the span of 5 days reeks of someone feeling the pressure the up his engagement