...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
this game has a sort of similar feel to the titans win in 2022. got bailed out sort of like how the titals rookie returner fumbled and kicker missed, but end of day beat a well coached team on the road. something to build on.
nabers is a stud. burns is a stud. welcome back azeez. secondary needs to step up.
Great game, they showed me something I didn't think they had.
...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
Eh, this is a split decision. You go up 28-15 with 2 minutes plus to play. It's splitting hairs.
The announcers (who are neutral) say “Daniel Jones did a great Job!”. If you read the BBI game thread the nay sayers trying to be right saying he played like a piece of crap. It’s hilarious.
Defensive performance today. Seemed like the Giants took their foot off the gas after Singletary fumbled. I don't know why they went away from the screens?
...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
The announcers (who are neutral) say “Daniel Jones did a great Job!”. If you read the BBI game thread the nay sayers trying to be right saying he played like a piece of crap. It’s hilarious.
He had a good first half. He needs to play like that for a full game.
More than anything, Bowen going aggressive is a good sign. After last week I was really afraid of how much grass he had them ceding and how passive we were.
The announcers (who are neutral) say “Daniel Jones did a great Job!”. If you read the BBI game thread the nay sayers trying to be right saying he played like a piece of crap. It’s hilarious.
Look...he played well. But that inexcusable throw from his end zone leaves a LOT of questions
The announcers (who are neutral) say “Daniel Jones did a great Job!”. If you read the BBI game thread the nay sayers trying to be right saying he played like a piece of crap. It’s hilarious.
He put the ball with pressure in his face to a place Robinson could catch it and they blamed him
Very good first half by the offense. They still need to find some way to challenge defenses vertically. When Ward started covering Nabers this offense struggled in the second half.
Nabers is a stud. Oline looked good. Singeltary needs to stop fumbling.
Kudos to the D and Bowen for exploiting and dominating the Cleveland OL.
Watson has really become a shell of himself. If anyone deserves bad karma, it's him. And the Cleveland ownership for signing him.
Nice game for Jones, especially the first half where he got very hot. It's like he got a second wind from the disastrous INT that was overturned by the roughing call on Newsome. That may have saved his season if Cleveland scored. Just a huge momentum swing.
feelings. Aside from the opening play, the first half was a dominant performance. The offense and defense were killing it.
But the offense basically did nothing in the second half. Couldn't move the ball at all. Jones missed some throws to Nabers and Robinson that would have produced a TD or extended a drive. Singletary fumbled. The defense also missed a lot of tackles in the second half.
Daboll's decision to run Singletary into the LOS on first and second down after the Browns fumble nearly cost us the game. We just signed Joseph off the street. Asking him to make a 48 yard FG was unnecessary. As someone on the game thread said, a screen would have been a good safe play in that situation.
Too many penalties, especially offsides.
Felt overall like we kept an overmatched Browns team in the game when we should have ended it by the middle of the third quarter.
While I didn't like the offensive game plan the last quarter and a half, they moved the ball through the air efficiently beforehand. Jones was high on several passes, but overall played well. Defense was great for most the game too. Some blown coverages at the end, but hard to complain. Here's to hoping the first half team shows up against the cowboys
They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
is you thinking that was a good throw to an open Robinson. After missing a wide open Nabers with room to run. Be honest. Play well in the first half, inept in the clutch.
But, even then, his struggles to connect downfield limit what the offense can do.
Second half, he struggled quite a bit.
The second half defense missed a lot of tackles but got stops at the end when they needed them. Don’t know why they seemed to stop blitzing when it was so effective in the first half.
Played better 2nd half.
They had Ward follow Nabers. That combined with being backed up most of the 2nd half (after the Singlterry fumble) AND the defense controlling the game had Daboll be more conservative than we would like.
That’s called “don’t beat yourself”. Its proper coaching.
RE: RE: Papa and Banks were questioning Singletary...
...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
3 times 40 = 2 minutes
Anyone questioning it is wrong
One way is a certain win. The other way is a probable win. It isn’t splitting hairs. Giving himself on the 1 was the correct decision. Great heads up play - the kind Barkley wasn’t ever smart enough to do.
They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
Very good point...I honestly thought it was 50/50 until you made this specific one....something I bet the data doesn't even take into account yet tbh
Against a good team on the road. So much to build on .
The team has gotten better every week
Browns offensive line was a walking M.A.S.H. unit. How about we wait until we play the Cowboys. In the meantime, the Giants almost undid all their accomplishments from the first half including Daniel Jones reverting to form.
Offense played fine, and really nice 1st half followed by a very conservative 2nd half.
I think that is how we should expect DJ to play. He wasn't great, and did make mistakes, but he was functional and didn't turn the ball over. He took what was there, that is all we need and all we should expect.
been saying it all offseason even after 2 rough games, Burns, Thibs and Dex wrecked the game..
Offensicely Nabers is an absolute stud, Jones had a good first half, 2nd half was a little rough missed aome easy throws..
Game really should of been a bigger blowout but a win is a win
Listen, you gotta take the good with bad with Wandale...he still has a lot to learn at the position...but he also has literally no catch radius...that a completion to practically any one else in NFL...it was a giant question mark when he came out...and we see it playing out a lot
If Jones hits that deep ball to nabers this game is a walk in the park
I felt the same way but when you look at the miss throws- we should/ could have been up more.
My issue is he has a bag of tools and chooses to use one exclusively- pray nothing happens!🤞🙏.
Dallas will shut down Nabors - we need the other receivers to be ready.
The Giants priced they can beat a quality team, wobbled, but didn’t shot the bed and came within a couple of plays of winning on a route. If you can’t be happy with this progress, I genuinely feel sorry for you.
RE: TTH: It's not just that sliding ices the game.
They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
I don’t want Schoen and Daboll to fail here, in fact I still like both and really found myself really hoping they would hold on. As much as I talk about a regime change, i’d rather these guys figure it out. Tired of the train wreck, slow Greek tragedy death our HC’s have been on.
A lot of good things they can build on today. At least for another week they have a meaningful game to play. Get to 2-2 and go from there.
If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.
help him.
I agree, but I also think this a matchup league...better match up for him next week...Cooper exposed all his flaws with his strength...Banks just doesn't play the ball well...not really an issue against CeeDee
I don’t want Schoen and Daboll to fail here, in fact I still like both and really found myself really hoping they would hold on. As much as I talk about a regime change, i’d rather these guys figure it out. Tired of the train wreck, slow Greek tragedy death our HC’s have been on.
A lot of good things they can build on today. At least for another week they have a meaningful game to play. Get to 2-2 and go from there.
Yep. I called it, too. Just had that feeling
RE: TTH: It's not just that sliding ices the game.
They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
I mentioned in the game thread that Daboll was also responsible for that miss. We need a couple of play calls that would have gotten Joseph closer. Instead, we punted at 3rd and 11.
They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
Bing bing bing!
Injury risk was everything there.
Yeah I actually agree, not that was going through his head.
The reality is we have a guy that listens to the coaches in a selfless way...it's good to see. First down go down where the instructions.
And reality next time he needs to negotiate a deal, they'll point right to that play
moving Nabers around makes it a lot harder. Dallas doesn’t have a Ward to follow him with. They owe the Cowboys from last year. Let’s see them come out and smack Dallas in the mouth. The Saints showed they are NOT a mentally tough team.
moving Nabers around makes it a lot harder. Dallas doesn’t have a Ward to follow him with. They owe the Cowboys from last year. Let’s see them come out and smack Dallas in the mouth. The Saints showed they are NOT a mentally tough team.
had a good game. Garrett is great DE, but Thomas had a tough time.
MG is the best DE in football, he is a better player then AT. And that is ok, AT held up and did what he had to do to not let MG wreck the game. They are both Elite players.
I don't think they went too conservative in the 2nd half
If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.
help him.
I agree, but I also think this a matchup league...better match up for him next week...Cooper exposed all his flaws with his strength...Banks just doesn't play the ball well...not really an issue against CeeDee
He made enough plays to win, and made enough mistakes to lose. Even if the negated interception wasn't on Jones (looked like Johnson might have pulled pulled an Evan Engram), it's safe to say Jones needs to play better to give NYG a chance on Thursday; but he has shown enough the last two weeks to at least allow room for hope.
all year with an injury that almost cost him his season. He won’t be 100% all year (according to the Dallas media). Let him try and travel. If he was healthy, I would agree.
In real time, sure its fair to be frustrated with some of his missed throws. I expect it at this point and the offensive staff should too. The 8 minute drive, to me, exemplified what this offensive identity should be. Daboll falls in love too often with shotgun and thats not who Jones is. He’s too reliant on rhythm.
The longer they stay in shotgun with him and just go pure pass with no PA the more worried I get. He just seems more comfortable under center with adequate PA mixed in. Hard to stick with this when you fall behind but today they didn’t. To be fair I don’t have numbers backing up my assertion, just the eye test. Too often when they go gun they fall behind the sticks.
feelings. Aside from the opening play, the first half was a dominant performance. The offense and defense were killing it.
But the offense basically did nothing in the second half. Couldn't move the ball at all. Jones missed some throws to Nabers and Robinson that would have produced a TD or extended a drive. Singletary fumbled. The defense also missed a lot of tackles in the second half.
Daboll's decision to run Singletary into the LOS on first and second down after the Browns fumble nearly cost us the game. We just signed Joseph off the street. Asking him to make a 48 yard FG was unnecessary. As someone on the game thread said, a screen would have been a good safe play in that situation.
Too many penalties, especially offsides.
Felt overall like we kept an overmatched Browns team in the game when we should have ended it by the middle of the third quarter.
Yes, the play calling in that drive was horrendous.
The win was fun, no question. But so is having a milkshake when you have been eating right and working hard to lose weight.
I want to see real progress from this team, and I did see that from the defense today. Watching Nabers is flat out fun. The hope is that this is not an empty calories win that only means the QB we want in the draft next year to truly make this team competitive winds up going somewhere else.
You want him on the field because he makes plays, on a defense that needs difference-makers. But good God, how does a linebacker get to this stage of a career tackling as badly as he does? He doesn't just miss. He misses like a badly-coached college sophomore. The fundamentals are just awful.
You want him on the field because he makes plays, on a defense that needs difference-makers. But good God, how does a linebacker get to this stage of a career tackling as badly as he does? He doesn't just miss. He misses like a badly-coached college sophomore. The fundamentals are just awful.
He's a specialist in costume as a full time player.
We need more then Nabers at WR. Good teams will limit him and someone else must step up.
So here is to hoping that Hyatt develops and / or Slayton heals up quickly. Lets also hope these recent Singletary fumbles don't continue cause he is otherwise a playmaker.
On a short week, at home, we have a shot to win IF we can win the turnover battle.
I don't normally appreciate the negative comments on game day threads.
But having said that I remember the "losing years" when in those games the NYG managed an early lead, and out of an "abundance of caution" they took their foot off the gas and let the other team back in.
Thankfully they hung on.
Sexy Dex comes through again!
Sorry for the omission, Christian might have as well. A few others did. What pisses me off is this team should be 2-1 with an opportunity at what appears to be a lesser Dallas team than years past.
But you are your record. I think they can beat Dallas. Run the ball, mix in some PA, control clock to spare the defense. Keep the pass rush fresh.
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
That's not hard to understand. They want the team to be so bad that Mara can't keep sticking his head in the sand anymore, no more "We're Back" because we won 9 games and eked out a WC berth, only to be embarrassed when we finally faced an actual, honest-to-God good football team. A lot of changes still need to be made.
We need more then Nabers at WR. Good teams will limit him and someone else must step up.
So here is to hoping that Hyatt develops and / or Slayton heals up quickly. Lets also hope these recent Singletary fumbles don't continue cause he is otherwise a playmaker.
On a short week, at home, we have a shot to win IF we can win the turnover battle.
Nabers 8 catches for 78 yds 2 TDS 12 targets
Robinson 7 for 61 yds 8 targets once they tried to take Nabers away Robinson got more involved
Sorry for the omission, Christian might have as well. A few others did. What pisses me off is this team should be 2-1 with an opportunity at what appears to be a lesser Dallas team than years past.
But you are your record. I think they can beat Dallas. Run the ball, mix in some PA, control clock to spare the defense. Keep the pass rush fresh.
No worries...this team isn't as bad as people think. Jones played well, but they Mohave stepped on their necks early in the second half and both he and Daboll came up a little small. Two or three more completions by Jones and a little more creativity from Dabs would have mad it easier, IMHO. Can't play not to lose. Especially on Thursday. The Cowboys are not the Browns.
Browns adjusted in the second half by using Ward on Nabers. I'm frankly not sure why they weren't doing that from the beginning of the game, but at least the started to do it after halftime. They also went right after Banks most times when he was in single coverage, not only with Cooper, but even after he went out, to Tillman. Tillman just dropped a great throw by Watson on fourth down.
But the lack of a quality TE really hampers this offense.
T. Johnson, the rookie, he has raw skills and I'm hoping as the season moves along he continues to be used more and more in the redzone offense and that short turn around stuff. He is a big body and a decent blocker already.
He seemed for the most part to be in great position on many of the completions he gave up like the first TD, as well as a couple of plays late to Cooper and then Cleveland’s 4th down play on their last drive. But his ball awareness is terrible. If he can start getting his head around where he could play the ball, he is position to start breaking up some of these passes. And yes, I know they 4th down play was not complete, but that was a drop.
RE: i do think this is the best game the giants had at screen/te screen
did daboll crack teh code?
eli couldnt run one to save his life.
maybe in 20 years.
Great post. The 2nd quarter drive was beautiful. They churned clock and the screens went for some big plays but also kept them ahead of the sticks. I watched the drive and said “this is what this team should be focusing on”
Now with that said, screens really work well against Schwartz’s aggressive scheme and the DE’s wide 9 alignment.
Browns adjusted in the second half by using Ward on Nabers. I'm frankly not sure why they weren't doing that from the beginning of the game, but at least the started to do it after halftime. They also went right after Banks most times when he was in single coverage, not only with Cooper, but even after he went out, to Tillman. Tillman just dropped a great throw by Watson on fourth down.
He's hurt and on a snap count...they threw that out
Bellinger needs to be the starting TE....Johnson was brutal today
Hung on for the win, but they didn't crumble and hand it over to the Brownies. A good win, and now what so they have at home for Dallas. Pivot #1 for the 2024 season.
Health permitting, they aren’t a 2-4 win team imo. Probably not a playoff team either, and you could argue whats best for them long term but I’d love a 7-8 win season and this regime giving us some reassurance. Part of me wants a new regime again but thats so tiresome at this point.
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
That's not hard to understand. They want the team to be so bad that Mara can't keep sticking his head in the sand anymore, no more "We're Back" because we won 9 games and eked out a WC berth, only to be embarrassed when we finally faced an actual, honest-to-God good football team. A lot of changes still need to be made.
Here is a crazy thought you are wrong about the Giants and the front office and they play well the rest of the season and this a momentum changing win . Maybe they only win 8 or 9 games but you can see the talent shift.
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
This was the pivot point. 1-2 vs 0-3 heading into Dallas was a huge difference. The noise quiets down and NYG has a real chance to stabilize the season.
I think this game Thursday will determine what this season is. If they want to change the fortune here, go beat a team that you are 0-6 against in the last three seasons. A team you got smoked by twice last season.
RE: Bellinger needs to be the starting TE....Johnson was brutal today
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.
Banks needs to turn around
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass
Banks needs to turn around
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass
They did enough to win despite those things today, but they absolutely must get fixed.
Dallas is in the process of getting worked over by Baltimore
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
Yes, this. I don't root for the Giants to lose, so Larry your assumption is wrong, but I understand why people do. I still think there are a lot of changes that need to be made.
But the lack of a quality TE really hampers this offense.
Johnson will get better….he’s a rookie and may need time to develop. He showed nice speed on that screen pass though. Berlinger is not terrible and is a solid #2.
RE: Dallas is in the process of getting worked over by Baltimore
Banks needs to turn around
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass
But the lack of a quality TE really hampers this offense.
Johnson will get better….he’s a rookie and may need time to develop. He showed nice speed on that screen pass though. Berlinger is not terrible and is a solid #2.
Johnson has to catch the ball when targeted.
BTW, I thought the hold on Bellinger was a bad call - anybodt else think it was a bad call?
They got the ball at their 5 and their 9 yard line. Cleveland defense was doing a pretty good job stuffing the run and Nabors was getting better coverage on him. Do you trust Jones deep in his territory to get us out of trouble and lead us downfield? I don’t. And he stupidly almost threw a disasterous pic from out of the end zone in the 2nd half. We all know, Jones’ ceiling is okay….he is not Mahomes or any great QB who you can feel comfortable about to lead a team from the 5 yard line. Just play it safe….still try to get a few first downs, but safe quick passes or screens or draw plays.
They got the ball at their 5 and their 9 yard line. Cleveland defense was doing a pretty good job stuffing the run and Nabors was getting better coverage on him. Do you trust Jones deep in his territory to get us out of trouble and lead us downfield? I don’t. And he stupidly almost threw a disasterous pic from out of the end zone in the 2nd half. We all know, Jones’ ceiling is okay….he is not Mahomes or any great QB who you can feel comfortable about to lead a team from the 5 yard line. Just play it safe….still try to get a few first downs, but safe quick passes or screens or draw plays.
The conservative point was when they were in FG range after the turnover and went 3 straight runs up the middle.
That is the moment you get creative and try and put the game away not count in a journeyman kicker to kick a 48 yd FG on his first game time FG in a year.
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.
I get your point, but anyone watching this team knows where this is going. I had the same reasoning last year when DeVito picked up a few wins. It was nice to experience a win but we lost in the end. I like Malik and I’m glad he’s a giant, but we aren’t going anywhere without a franchise QB…unfortunately. Would have traded those meaningless wins for May or Daniels?
As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
I don't think.a canary is necessary. However, the Giants weak defense still managed to shut down the Browns a lot and if not for dome odd play calling in the second half I think we win this game a bot more comfortably.
Fair enough, and I agree, but Thursday is not the day to test....few packages in first half... hopefully get his confidence up, but what we brought him in for was a massive fail today. Doubt Coughlin would put up with this so far ...it's the NFL...gotta earn your time
I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.
I get your point, but anyone watching this team knows where this is going. I had the same reasoning last year when DeVito picked up a few wins. It was nice to experience a win but we lost in the end. I like Malik and I’m glad he’s a giant, but we aren’t going anywhere without a franchise QB…unfortunately. Would have traded those meaningless wins for May or Daniels?
It's game 3!
Unless Jones has an incredible season I think they are moving on or at minimum he will be a bridge next year to a rookie.
So if we can win 7 to 10 wins and build some success this year it is better for the future. This group will get their QB but we need wins and build continuity.
We need to stop burning it down and building from ashes.
Disappointed that he could not come up with an important grab late on a good 3rd down throw.....only 1 ball to Hyatt...Slayton, before his injury was a non-factor, we have to get more results from receivers not named Nabors
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
insane they won with all that crap.
Dabolls blind spot is he doesn't give a shit about specials...specials were on pt today we win extremely comfortably. I mean we dominated a half...should have been 21-0...the second half is a mich different ballgame there
RE: Minnesota is 3-0.....something to be said for all these preseason
predictions. And one win is against arguably the best team in NFC.
Minnesota is clearly a very good team, they should have beaten the 49er
Ore than the score would indicate.
The nfc is wide open btw no on is that good
Yeah I actually bet on us to win NFC and East just because how bad I thought NFC was this year...still think we are an 8 win team, but might be enough to win East, especially if Eagles get injury bug...they don't look good without Brown that's for sure
...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
Eh, this is a split decision. You go up 28-15 with 2 minutes plus to play. It's splitting hairs.
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It would have been 27-15. Extra point would be in serious doubt.
Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.
Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.
Glad I wasn't the only one. That looked very clean.
RE: RE: RE: Browns offensive line is a mess and Watson stinks
that Jones needs to be replaced. BUT, I thought he played very well today (for the 1st time I can think of) against a good defense.
He made the one dumb ass throw (that Nabers bailed
him out on).
Otherwise, his reads were sound, he was as assertive as was needed. His only clean pocket on the deep ball was the first one and just missed. They can win and be competitive with this level of QB play. Good enough for now.
Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.
Glad I wasn't the only one. That looked very clean.
Flailing and falling backward neither defeats the block, nor should it draw a hold.
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.
The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
That the offense was pretty bad in the second half and let
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.
The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.
The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
This. Winning in Cleveland is a big deal.
And the Giants controlled the lines.
There is improvement each week. Uneven for sure, but tangible improvement. Everyone had us losing this game, and we dominated for half the game. None of you honestly expected this.
...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
3 times 40 = 2 minutes
Anyone questioning it is wrong
One way is a certain win. The other way is a probable win. It isn’t splitting hairs. Giving himself on the 1 was the correct decision. Great heads up play - the kind Barkley wasn’t ever smart enough to do.
Except he did do it. At least twice that i recall. There is plenty to bang on Barkley about, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t done what singletary did.
RE: That the offense was pretty bad in the second half and let
And yet you won’t acknowledge that the offense was really good in the first half and gave them a good chance to win.
Lol, you’re so predictable…
That’s funny because I’ve consistently complimented the WRs, said Jones played well in the first half.
But that doesn’t mean they didn’t take a step back in the second half. Multiple things are allowed to be true, know that’s too hard for you to comprehend
I watched this game at a large party and very few Giants fans
It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q
I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff
Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it
Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG
Etc etc
This was ineptitude
I don't seebit that way. It's fine people see what they want..Jones misses Nabers deep that would have been another TD. Giants fumbled stopping another drive..
Giants defense was all over the Browns Oline and Watson
And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
Didn’t look like a team who had quit on their coach either
I watched this game at a large party and very few Giants fans
It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q
I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff
Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it
Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG
Etc etc
This was ineptitude
I don't seebit that way. It's fine people see what they want..Jones misses Nabers deep that would have been another TD. Giants fumbled stopping another drive..
Giants defense was all over the Browns Oline and Watson
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
The All 22 will be an interesting watch, as it may have started in the second half today.
RE: RE: RE: The offense is awfully similar to 2022
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
The All 22 will be an interesting watch, as it may have started in the second half today.
That will be interesting. Sy will probably have something on it. I just think Daboll was calling safe plays/keep away. I didn't like it.
But it should open up every other part of the field. It will take maybe three players to cut Nabers off. CB, Safety and probably a LB from time to time.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The offense is awfully similar to 2022
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
The All 22 will be an interesting watch, as it may have started in the second half today.
That will be interesting. Sy will probably have something on it. I just think Daboll was calling safe plays/keep away. I didn't like it.
But it should open up every other part of the field. It will take maybe three players to cut Nabers off. CB, Safety and probably a LB from time to time.
Possibly but teams likely will be fine letting him catch it underneath and limiting his YAC, which has been a majority of the offense right now. They’ll dare Jones to hit Nabers deep hoping he’ll miss more than he hits. Teams will force them to play how Daboll and we all want them to play.
Whether they can execute is another story
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The offense is awfully similar to 2022
Possibly but teams likely will be fine letting him catch it underneath and limiting his YAC, which has been a majority of the offense right now. They’ll dare Jones to hit Nabers deep hoping he’ll miss more than he hits. Teams will force them to play how Daboll and we all want them to play.
Whether they can execute is another story
Sooner or later, they have to hit some deeper passes to keep the safeties high.
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
LOL. ajr (and others) don’t like it when you point out facts. Fucks up their narratives.
RE: The Giants won because they made less shitty plays than the Browns
And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
We each had two turnovers and one of ours led to us falling behind 7-0 11 seconds into a game where we got the ball first.
RE: The Giants won because they made less shitty plays than the Browns
And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
LOL. "Turnover luck"?? The Giants had more turnovers than the Browns. Some people just love to twist themselves in a pretzel to dismiss things.
Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.
RE: RE: The Giants won because they made less shitty plays than the Browns
And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
LOL. "Turnover luck"?? The Giants had more turnovers than the Browns. Some people just love to twist themselves in a pretzel to dismiss things.
Fred hit the nail on the head way, way earlier.
And the Giants had an interception overturned, one ripped out of the defenders hands, and one dropped. That counts as turnover luck.
Nowhere was anything dismissed, it’s ok to point out this still isn’t a good team.
Glad all it takes is a win against the Browns to get you out of hiding.
RE: RE: RE: The offense is awfully similar to 2022
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
LOL. ajr (and others) don’t like it when you point out facts. Fucks up their narratives.
This is an odd post being that we agreed. Try harder
Nobody gave the Giants a chance today. In fact, lots of posters said they wouldn’t even watch the game.
And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.
Good to see you back posting.
The game was as close as the final score.
I’ve posted during and after every game this year. Don’t be a dick just because the Giants won today. Everyone is in a good mood except you. Go figure.
The offense forgot everything they, did in the first half. But, what a nice win. The first half was one of the best halves they've played in a long time.
Admit it, you thought the game was over with the fumble and the 1 play TD drive. I did. But, they stood tall. Great resolve.
I love the football IQ displayed by Singletary, but part of me also likes the idea of the TD there and making it a 2 score game.
Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
LOL. ajr (and others) don’t like it when you point out facts. Fucks up their narratives.
This is an odd post being that we agreed. Try harder
Bullshit. You point to the struggles of the offense of the 2nd half, without giving credit to the first half.
But you do you.
RE: RE: The Giants won because they made less shitty plays than the Browns
And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
We each had two turnovers and one of ours led to us falling behind 7-0 11 seconds into a game where we got the ball first.
Shhh! Ajr doesn’t like it when you fuck up his narrative
At the game. They didn't send many down field opportunities and either by design or audibles, they focused more on short routes and get the YAC.
Curious how Sy and guys like BigBlueBanter see it. They do need to hit big plays down field and sooner than later. Get Hyatt involved, Dabes.
It’s the one route Hyatt runs well right now, any future success likely depends on him making some plays down field. I expect Dallas to minimize the YAC and dare Jones to hit Slayton and Hyatt down field on Thursday. If they can’t it might look like week 1 again, if they can maybe they can finally beat Dallas for once.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The offense is awfully similar to 2022
Bullshit. You point to the struggles of the offense of the 2nd half, without giving credit to the first half.
But you do you.
Besides that post not even being about the second half offense, when did I not give credit to the offense in the first half? As well as the offense played in the first half, not being able to score again to put the game out of reach is concerning. It’s not like they went score for score in a second half shoot out with Cleveland. They put up 0 points. Not sure how this is pushing a narrative.
Your first actual football conversation on this board will be your first. You should probably head to bed so me and section can finish an actual football conversation.
I’d imagine the Browns are praying something comes from the civil suit
I'm really late posting, but I had to watch the game a second time with less booze again to confirm.
I really feel like my personal whipping boy Cor'Dale Flott had a better game than I expected. Other than the one badly missed tackle, he was almost good..... Dare I say it.
to be negative, Giants lost a fumble on the opening kickoff and were down 7-0 in 11 seconds..
The two Browns turnovers, 1 was a brian burns strip sack, how is that luck? The ither was a bad handoff, you want to call that luck fine..
And the score wasnt anywhere near indicative of the dominence the Giants defense had..Browns had TWO drives the entire game, 1 was 26 yards and the other was 49 yards, that is it..The browns did absolutely nothing..
In reality since we are doing a bunch of hypotheticals to dismiss the win, i guess its fair to say the score should of been 31-15
They screwed him up last year returning kicks and doing the same this year.
Hard to understand imv as I think he can be a good substitute RB behind Singletary.
ST’s is a huge problem that hasn’t been addressed in years now.
They screwed him up last year returning kicks and doing the same this year.
Hard to understand imv as I think he can be a good substitute RB behind Singletary.
ST’s is a huge problem that hasn’t been addressed in years now.
I think Tracy has taken over the backup RB position. He’s looked pretty darn good to me in the limited snaps.
RE: Anyone mentioning turnover luck is just looking
to be negative, Giants lost a fumble on the opening kickoff and were down 7-0 in 11 seconds..
The two Browns turnovers, 1 was a brian burns strip sack, how is that luck? The ither was a bad handoff, you want to call that luck fine..
And the score wasnt anywhere near indicative of the dominence the Giants defense had..Browns had TWO drives the entire game, 1 was 26 yards and the other was 49 yards, that is it..The browns did absolutely nothing..
In reality since we are doing a bunch of hypotheticals to dismiss the win, i guess its fair to say the score should of been 31-15
You have zero idea what turnover luck is. The Giants had an interception overturned, and two broken up by Nabers. That’s turnover luck. Just like the Giants missing a fg to keep Cleveland in the game was luck. Nobody dismissed the win, in fact it even says “that’s how most games in the league are won”.
The Giants dominated for a half. They barely managed 100 yards of offense and scored zero points in the second half. All while getting two turnovers, one at midfield and one in Browns territory.
good win and an important one. 0-3 with Thurs night home vs. DAL
to be negative, Giants lost a fumble on the opening kickoff and were down 7-0 in 11 seconds..
The two Browns turnovers, 1 was a brian burns strip sack, how is that luck? The ither was a bad handoff, you want to call that luck fine..
And the score wasnt anywhere near indicative of the dominence the Giants defense had..Browns had TWO drives the entire game, 1 was 26 yards and the other was 49 yards, that is it..The browns did absolutely nothing..
In reality since we are doing a bunch of hypotheticals to dismiss the win, i guess its fair to say the score should of been 31-15
You have zero idea what turnover luck is. The Giants had an interception overturned, and two broken up by Nabers. That’s turnover luck. Just like the Giants missing a fg to keep Cleveland in the game was luck. Nobody dismissed the win, in fact it even says “that’s how most games in the league are won”.
The Giants dominated for a half. They barely managed 100 yards of offense and scored zero points in the second half. All while getting two turnovers, one at midfield and one in Browns territory.
We are relaly going to play this game? we can do the same thing to Deshaun Watson, Brian Burns should of had a pick six as well...
Calling it luck because turnover happens or doesnt happen is not really fair, Every turnover or non turnover is different yes but sometimes like the Nabers catch or Nabers knocking the ball out of the Browns defenders hands so there was no INT is just a good smart play..
All turnovers are luck. Fumbles have a 50% chance of recovery over the course of a season. The fact that both teams recovered both their opponents fumbles is rare. The same with Cleveland missing out on 3 interceptions.
I admit that I do not understand how all turnovers are luck. If a defensive player jumps a pass and intercepts it, I am confused how that is luck. But, again I sometimes miss things that are plainly visible.
Good to see the NYG outcoach a team…
Also the first time in a while
Happy we won though
nabers is a stud. burns is a stud. welcome back azeez. secondary needs to step up.
Eh, this is a split decision. You go up 28-15 with 2 minutes plus to play. It's splitting hairs.
Whether or not its false will be decided by Dallas in a few days.
Yes.. I agree ! :)
Go beat Dallas now otherwise it's just more of the same.
BOOOOM!
Nabers is going to receive a ton of defensive attention, we’ll need to emphasize more Wan’Dale in the future.
Defense played great.
Props to the D for standing tall when it mattered.
Did Daboll forget how to call a screen pass in the second half?
3 times 40 = 2 minutes
Anyone questioning it is wrong
Vilma was basically rooting for the Browns
they had the win with their backup OL out there.
offense couldnt do anything to sustain a drive in the 2nd half to help the D.
K couldnt make a FG.
P couldnt pin them once.
Plus, Bowen mostly called a good one. Lot of funky looks had Watson confused
He had a good first half. He needs to play like that for a full game.
A road win in the dawg pound is a great thing.
Time for more kicker auditions.
Look...he played well. But that inexcusable throw from his end zone leaves a LOT of questions
The team has gotten better every week
He put the ball with pressure in his face to a place Robinson could catch it and they blamed him
lucky with the roughing and the dropped pick.
Nabers is a stud. Oline looked good. Singeltary needs to stop fumbling.
lucky with the roughing and the dropped pick.
BAHAHA shut up and go away
Vilma was basically rooting for the Browns
LOL you are hearing things bruh. Give me one example of how he "rooted" for the Browns. Just one. I'll wait.
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
Yep, but all will be forgiven or exorcised in 4 days
Watson has really become a shell of himself. If anyone deserves bad karma, it's him. And the Cleveland ownership for signing him.
Nice game for Jones, especially the first half where he got very hot. It's like he got a second wind from the disastrous INT that was overturned by the roughing call on Newsome. That may have saved his season if Cleveland scored. Just a huge momentum swing.
DEFENSE
But the offense basically did nothing in the second half. Couldn't move the ball at all. Jones missed some throws to Nabers and Robinson that would have produced a TD or extended a drive. Singletary fumbled. The defense also missed a lot of tackles in the second half.
Daboll's decision to run Singletary into the LOS on first and second down after the Browns fumble nearly cost us the game. We just signed Joseph off the street. Asking him to make a 48 yard FG was unnecessary. As someone on the game thread said, a screen would have been a good safe play in that situation.
Too many penalties, especially offsides.
Felt overall like we kept an overmatched Browns team in the game when we should have ended it by the middle of the third quarter.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
If it's not clear at this point...Daboll doesn't give a shit about special teams ..that much is clear.
Second half, he struggled quite a bit.
The second half defense missed a lot of tackles but got stops at the end when they needed them. Don’t know why they seemed to stop blitzing when it was so effective in the first half.
Well titled user name?
At the very least, Bowen showed that he's willing to be flexible about it.
They had Ward follow Nabers. That combined with being backed up most of the 2nd half (after the Singlterry fumble) AND the defense controlling the game had Daboll be more conservative than we would like.
That’s called “don’t beat yourself”. Its proper coaching.
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...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
3 times 40 = 2 minutes
Anyone questioning it is wrong
One way is a certain win. The other way is a probable win. It isn’t splitting hairs. Giving himself on the 1 was the correct decision. Great heads up play - the kind Barkley wasn’t ever smart enough to do.
Offensicely Nabers is an absolute stud, Jones had a good first half, 2nd half was a little rough missed aome easy throws..
Game really should of been a bigger blowout but a win is a win
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
Very good point...I honestly thought it was 50/50 until you made this specific one....something I bet the data doesn't even take into account yet tbh
QB was good
Defense was great the whole game
If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.
help him.
The team has gotten better every week
Browns offensive line was a walking M.A.S.H. unit. How about we wait until we play the Cowboys. In the meantime, the Giants almost undid all their accomplishments from the first half including Daniel Jones reverting to form.
Confirmed. You're crazy.
I think that is how we should expect DJ to play. He wasn't great, and did make mistakes, but he was functional and didn't turn the ball over. He took what was there, that is all we need and all we should expect.
Singletary needs to stop fumbling
Offensicely Nabers is an absolute stud, Jones had a good first half, 2nd half was a little rough missed aome easy throws..
Game really should of been a bigger blowout but a win is a win
Listen, you gotta take the good with bad with Wandale...he still has a lot to learn at the position...but he also has literally no catch radius...that a completion to practically any one else in NFL...it was a giant question mark when he came out...and we see it playing out a lot
Defense played great.
I felt the same way but when you look at the miss throws- we should/ could have been up more.
My issue is he has a bag of tools and chooses to use one exclusively- pray nothing happens!🤞🙏.
Dallas will shut down Nabors - we need the other receivers to be ready.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
Bing bing bing!
Injury risk was everything there.
I don’t want Schoen and Daboll to fail here, in fact I still like both and really found myself really hoping they would hold on. As much as I talk about a regime change, i’d rather these guys figure it out. Tired of the train wreck, slow Greek tragedy death our HC’s have been on.
A lot of good things they can build on today. At least for another week they have a meaningful game to play. Get to 2-2 and go from there.
If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.
help him.
I agree, but I also think this a matchup league...better match up for him next week...Cooper exposed all his flaws with his strength...Banks just doesn't play the ball well...not really an issue against CeeDee
I don’t want Schoen and Daboll to fail here, in fact I still like both and really found myself really hoping they would hold on. As much as I talk about a regime change, i’d rather these guys figure it out. Tired of the train wreck, slow Greek tragedy death our HC’s have been on.
A lot of good things they can build on today. At least for another week they have a meaningful game to play. Get to 2-2 and go from there.
Yep. I called it, too. Just had that feeling
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
That's very fair.
I mentioned in the game thread that Daboll was also responsible for that miss. We need a couple of play calls that would have gotten Joseph closer. Instead, we punted at 3rd and 11.
i saw adoree injury
i saw phillips injury
mcfadden was in and out.
anyone else i missed?
i saw Schmitz too.
flott maybe too
The fuck kind of comment is this?
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They also spared the defense another two-minute drive, and the attendant risk of injury and fatigue, with a huge Thursday game upcoming.
Sure, a touchdown probably puts the game out of reach. But sliding also rewards the defense for winning the game when the offense was sputtering.
The staff probably instructed the offense to go down if they got a first down. I doubt anyone envisioned having to make that decision at the 1 yard line, but it was still a good decision.
Bing bing bing!
Injury risk was everything there.
Yeah I actually agree, not that was going through his head.
The reality is we have a guy that listens to the coaches in a selfless way...it's good to see. First down go down where the instructions.
And reality next time he needs to negotiate a deal, they'll point right to that play
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
The fuck kind of comment is this?
A troll that should be banned immediately.
Maybe. But if you can't enjoy a win, then why bother?
diggs is shutdown CB1
MG is the best DE in football, he is a better player then AT. And that is ok, AT held up and did what he had to do to not let MG wreck the game. They are both Elite players.
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they need to help him.
If they expect him to shut down Lamb next week they are screwed.
help him.
I agree, but I also think this a matchup league...better match up for him next week...Cooper exposed all his flaws with his strength...Banks just doesn't play the ball well...not really an issue against CeeDee
Lamb is a better matchup for Banks?... Eh...
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
i thought the gap control was great.
just missed tackling was the reason for any real gain from teh browns on the ground and from watson.
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
Maybe. But if you can't enjoy a win, then why bother?
I'll start enjoying these once they win 3 or 4 in a row. We've seen these types of wins from them every single year. It means nothing to me now.
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Gillian couldnt pin them once
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
If it's not clear at this point...Daboll doesn't give a shit about special teams ..that much is clear.
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Gillian couldnt pin them once
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
Daboll doesn’t respect special teams
Maybe the players should just fucking do their jobs better.
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
Maybe. But if you can't enjoy a win, then why bother?
I'll start enjoying these once they win 3 or 4 in a row. We've seen these types of wins from them every single year. It means nothing to me now.
You were in the game thread, so clearly it meant something.
I wanted to see Singletary score. Being selfish honestly. I wanted to see 28-15 with the Giants sealing it with an emphatic TD.
Glad we won. The defense played well. 8 sacks. Gave up 2 TDs total in 2 games.
I wanted to see Singletary score. Being selfish honestly. I wanted to see 28-15 with the Giants sealing it with an emphatic TD.
Same here, I was a little annoyed. Smart play but this has been a woeful offense - scoring four TDs woulda been nice.
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
The fuck kind of comment is this?
This guy is commenting in every thread that he’s upset we won.
Ditto. Better than good offense.
The longer they stay in shotgun with him and just go pure pass with no PA the more worried I get. He just seems more comfortable under center with adequate PA mixed in. Hard to stick with this when you fall behind but today they didn’t. To be fair I don’t have numbers backing up my assertion, just the eye test. Too often when they go gun they fall behind the sticks.
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Gillian couldnt pin them once
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
Daboll doesn’t respect special teams
Maybe the players should just fucking do their jobs better.
If you cannot find a kicker to make that FG, it's your fault.
The Giants faced on 3rd down in the second half after they fumbled their 1st possession
9, 15, 16, 12, 8, 14
Was there any doubt the new PK was going to miss that FG
They have to take this momentum to Thursday and do something with it
But the offense basically did nothing in the second half. Couldn't move the ball at all. Jones missed some throws to Nabers and Robinson that would have produced a TD or extended a drive. Singletary fumbled. The defense also missed a lot of tackles in the second half.
Daboll's decision to run Singletary into the LOS on first and second down after the Browns fumble nearly cost us the game. We just signed Joseph off the street. Asking him to make a 48 yard FG was unnecessary. As someone on the game thread said, a screen would have been a good safe play in that situation.
Too many penalties, especially offsides.
Felt overall like we kept an overmatched Browns team in the game when we should have ended it by the middle of the third quarter.
Yes, the play calling in that drive was horrendous.
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
The fuck kind of comment is this?
This guy is commenting in every thread that he’s upset we won.
Commenting on every thread is exaggerating. I am not upset, just indifferent.
I hope Bowen keeps the aggression up.
The win was fun, no question. But so is having a milkshake when you have been eating right and working hard to lose weight.
I want to see real progress from this team, and I did see that from the defense today. Watching Nabers is flat out fun. The hope is that this is not an empty calories win that only means the QB we want in the draft next year to truly make this team competitive winds up going somewhere else.
We could use Aaron Thomas
He's a specialist in costume as a full time player.
So here is to hoping that Hyatt develops and / or Slayton heals up quickly. Lets also hope these recent Singletary fumbles don't continue cause he is otherwise a playmaker.
On a short week, at home, we have a shot to win IF we can win the turnover battle.
Good to see the NYG outcoach a team…
Also the first time in a while
I don't normally appreciate the negative comments on game day threads.
But having said that I remember the "losing years" when in those games the NYG managed an early lead, and out of an "abundance of caution" they took their foot off the gas and let the other team back in.
Thankfully they hung on.
Sexy Dex comes through again!
But you are your record. I think they can beat Dallas. Run the ball, mix in some PA, control clock to spare the defense. Keep the pass rush fresh.
a lot.
chance for him.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
Maybe it's a little early to be rooting for losses for draft position? How about waiting for the last 2 games if they're shitting the bed
did daboll crack teh code?
eli couldnt run one to save his life.
maybe in 20 years.
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
The fuck kind of comment is this?
This guy is commenting in every thread that he’s upset we won.
Commenting on every thread is exaggerating. I am not upset, just indifferent.
If you were indifferent you wouldnt be posting
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
That's not hard to understand. They want the team to be so bad that Mara can't keep sticking his head in the sand anymore, no more "We're Back" because we won 9 games and eked out a WC berth, only to be embarrassed when we finally faced an actual, honest-to-God good football team. A lot of changes still need to be made.
True that.
So here is to hoping that Hyatt develops and / or Slayton heals up quickly. Lets also hope these recent Singletary fumbles don't continue cause he is otherwise a playmaker.
On a short week, at home, we have a shot to win IF we can win the turnover battle.
Nabers 8 catches for 78 yds 2 TDS 12 targets
Robinson 7 for 61 yds 8 targets once they tried to take Nabers away Robinson got more involved
Yes he was, he was in on a lot of plays. He’s getting more time than I expected, I wonder if at times they want his run defense in there
Credit where due, Thibs made a huge play on the late 4th down, but he’s been a blocking dummy at times
Azeez, Burns and Thibs all had great games rushing the passer
They were definitely a negative today. Would love to see some more TE screens set up. Keep it simple with them
But you are your record. I think they can beat Dallas. Run the ball, mix in some PA, control clock to spare the defense. Keep the pass rush fresh.
No worries...this team isn't as bad as people think. Jones played well, but they Mohave stepped on their necks early in the second half and both he and Daboll came up a little small. Two or three more completions by Jones and a little more creativity from Dabs would have mad it easier, IMHO. Can't play not to lose. Especially on Thursday. The Cowboys are not the Browns.
did daboll crack teh code?
eli couldnt run one to save his life.
maybe in 20 years.
Great post. The 2nd quarter drive was beautiful. They churned clock and the screens went for some big plays but also kept them ahead of the sticks. I watched the drive and said “this is what this team should be focusing on”
Now with that said, screens really work well against Schwartz’s aggressive scheme and the DE’s wide 9 alignment.
He's hurt and on a snap count...they threw that out
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
That's not hard to understand. They want the team to be so bad that Mara can't keep sticking his head in the sand anymore, no more "We're Back" because we won 9 games and eked out a WC berth, only to be embarrassed when we finally faced an actual, honest-to-God good football team. A lot of changes still need to be made.
Here is a crazy thought you are wrong about the Giants and the front office and they play well the rest of the season and this a momentum changing win . Maybe they only win 8 or 9 games but you can see the talent shift.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
Happy we won though
Agree. I was at the game and I didn’t understand we we couldn’t get to Watson like the first half
I think this game Thursday will determine what this season is. If they want to change the fortune here, go beat a team that you are 0-6 against in the last three seasons. A team you got smoked by twice last season.
He gets his work done blocking, that's why he's out there. It shouldn't change next week, for sure.
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass
Can't get better if you don't play.
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass
They did enough to win despite those things today, but they absolutely must get fixed.
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
Yes, this. I don't root for the Giants to lose, so Larry your assumption is wrong, but I understand why people do. I still think there are a lot of changes that need to be made.
Johnson will get better….he’s a rookie and may need time to develop. He showed nice speed on that screen pass though. Berlinger is not terrible and is a solid #2.
Dallas’ defense looks lost. Two very easy TD drives by Baltimore.
Start Hyatt over Slayton
Daboll, what was that playcalling setting up for the field goal? We all saw that missed kick coming from a mile away.
Jones for the love of God hit a deep pass
Now this post I fully agree with. *grin*
That's not really a sign either way.
They may look at us as a "get well" game.
Team needs Theo Johnson to step up desperataly.
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And the Giants beat them I think McCarthy will be fired—will Belicheck go there in season? Could happen.
They may look at us as a "get well" game.
Oh they definitely did, but so did the Browns probably.
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But the lack of a quality TE really hampers this offense.
Johnson will get better….he’s a rookie and may need time to develop. He showed nice speed on that screen pass though. Berlinger is not terrible and is a solid #2.
Johnson has to catch the ball when targeted.
BTW, I thought the hold on Bellinger was a bad call - anybodt else think it was a bad call?
Who got hurt? Wasn’t watching closely
Jerrah's history since Parcells is to not have a coach who could get more credit than him for any possible success.
Jones at home at night hasn’t been successful.
Thursday night big now.
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
Offense was quite impressive in the 1st half. Defense pretty solid all around. We were fortunate that Ford dropped the handoff in the backfield.
This was one of those games between 2 mediocre teams that one of them has to win. There will be some more of those as we go.
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the Giants had to play Art Green in the second half. Pretty amazing.
Who got hurt? Wasn’t watching closely
Both Dru Phillips and Adoree' Jackson.
The conservative point was when they were in FG range after the turnover and went 3 straight runs up the middle.
That is the moment you get creative and try and put the game away not count in a journeyman kicker to kick a 48 yd FG on his first game time FG in a year.
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.
I get your point, but anyone watching this team knows where this is going. I had the same reasoning last year when DeVito picked up a few wins. It was nice to experience a win but we lost in the end. I like Malik and I’m glad he’s a giant, but we aren’t going anywhere without a franchise QB…unfortunately. Would have traded those meaningless wins for May or Daniels?
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
Jones looked better than Watson. The Watson contract is the worst of all time to this point. Have to be fair.
The Jones deal has such little impact compared to Watson and Cleveland.
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
I don't think.a canary is necessary. However, the Giants weak defense still managed to shut down the Browns a lot and if not for dome odd play calling in the second half I think we win this game a bot more comfortably.
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
I feel more like this too. A competant NFL team would have completed that comeback against the Giants. We were just less incompetent.
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Can't get better if you don't play.
Fair enough, and I agree, but Thursday is not the day to test....few packages in first half... hopefully get his confidence up, but what we brought him in for was a massive fail today. Doubt Coughlin would put up with this so far ...it's the NFL...gotta earn your time
Daboll is a dumb bell
Why isn't Danny DeVito playing?
SELL MARA SELL!!
oh wait......
Daboll that wily genius!!
Jones will follow Eli into the HOF!!!
There goes the 1st pick in the draft......sigh.
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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
I feel more like this too. A competant NFL team would have completed that comeback against the Giants. We were just less incompetent.
There's like 8 teams like that in NFL...we just beat a 500 team in a must win game at home...they were walking wounded of course so there's that.
Let's be happy until Thursdays..and who knows...maybe we finally win
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I don't get it at all.
How do you root against anyone on this team to perform poorly.
You’re mistaking a hatred for perpetual losing and not accepting mediocrity for “fans wanting to lose”. It’s actually the opposite. Fans “don’t want to lose” but badly want to return to greatness or at least consistent competitiveness and will gladly trade a meaningless win to achieve it. They realize that won’t happen if Johnny witnesses false hope. This team badly needs a professional QB and possibly a coach with a bit of common sense.
How can you say with certainty that any win is a meaningless win?
But to root against wins is a miserable way of fandom.
I get your point, but anyone watching this team knows where this is going. I had the same reasoning last year when DeVito picked up a few wins. It was nice to experience a win but we lost in the end. I like Malik and I’m glad he’s a giant, but we aren’t going anywhere without a franchise QB…unfortunately. Would have traded those meaningless wins for May or Daniels?
It's game 3!
Unless Jones has an incredible season I think they are moving on or at minimum he will be a bridge next year to a rookie.
So if we can win 7 to 10 wins and build some success this year it is better for the future. This group will get their QB but we need wins and build continuity.
We need to stop burning it down and building from ashes.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
Minnesota is clearly a very good team, they should have beaten the 49er
Ore than the score would indicate.
The nfc is wide open btw no on is that good
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Gillian couldnt pin them once
K couldnt make a basic 47 yarder
Gray is not a PR nad hes not a PR, stop shoehorning him holy shit.
its costing them a lot.
insane they won with all that crap.
Dabolls blind spot is he doesn't give a shit about specials...specials were on pt today we win extremely comfortably. I mean we dominated a half...should have been 21-0...the second half is a mich different ballgame there
They won 13 with Cousins. Good offensive team and now they seem to have a defense.
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predictions. And one win is against arguably the best team in NFC.
Minnesota is clearly a very good team, they should have beaten the 49er
Ore than the score would indicate.
The nfc is wide open btw no on is that good
Yeah I actually bet on us to win NFC and East just because how bad I thought NFC was this year...still think we are an 8 win team, but might be enough to win East, especially if Eagles get injury bug...they don't look good without Brown that's for sure
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
Come on BBI lets put out some positive vibes.
Wildly disgree...he got punished for dominating his man
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I'll start enjoying these once they win 3 or 4 in a row. We've seen these types of wins from them every single year. It means nothing to me now.
You were in the game thread, so clearly it meant something.
Yeah it stopped at 2 minutes but just game awareness.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
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That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
Jones looked better than Watson. The Watson contract is the worst of all time to this point. Have to be fair.
The Jones deal has such little impact compared to Watson and Cleveland.
Great. We can hang a banner - “Not the worst QB contract of all time”
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As I was in 2022 as I kept posting week after week in second half season what our record was after a 7-2 start
That game looked like two teams trying to lose a football. The Browns were just more inept than the Giants with fumbles and penalties.
An ugly win still counts as a win but this is definitely not a chest thumping game
I feel more like this too. A competant NFL team would have completed that comeback against the Giants. We were just less incompetent.
Tend to agree based on the second half.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
I feel better about it. The last two weeks has been brutal on here. Maybe I’ll be able to own a thread with something positive for a change.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
You don’t feel any better about the defense?
Coaching matters.
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hats off to Schoen for upgrading that group so well - especially IOL, which has been sub-par for years.
Coaching matters.
Perhaps more than any other position group aside from QB
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But the negativity is overwhelming.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday
BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy
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But the negativity is overwhelming.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday
BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy
Pay attention to how quiet it is going to be this week on BBI.
The only thing some people want to do is bitch and moan.
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A win is a win.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
You don’t feel any better about the defense?
I mean they have given up only 1 Touchdown in 2 games horrible performance
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...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
Eh, this is a split decision. You go up 28-15 with 2 minutes plus to play. It's splitting hairs.
It would have been 27-15. Extra point would be in serious doubt.
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But the negativity is overwhelming.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday
BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy
Best BBI reaction you could hope for right after the game, let's see how we are tomorrow. I feel there will be some optimism.
Offense was quite impressive in the 1st half. Defense pretty solid all around. We were fortunate that Ford dropped the handoff in the backfield.
This was one of those games between 2 mediocre teams that one of them has to win. There will be some more of those as we go.
If this team ends up at 0.500 or above, Daboll could be Coach of the Year again without having improvement.
Glad I wasn't the only one. That looked very clean.
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A win is a win.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
You don’t feel any better about the defense?
I mean they have given up only 1 Touchdown in 2 games horrible performance
The defense couldn’t get off the field or stop the run vs Washington. Today was a massive improvement for the D.
Aaron Thomas? Reincarnated?
It would have been 27-15. Extra point would be in serious doubt.
Don't be a baby. Joseph's a 94% kicker on extra points. Like half a point worse than Gano.
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But the negativity is overwhelming.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
It's fucking ridiculous...we have hope going into a crucial matchup...wanna bring that shit so it Friday
BBI at its finest. Some people are never happy
Pay attention to how quiet it is going to be this week on BBI.
The only thing some people want to do is bitch and moan.
I'm pretty sure the place will be a ghost town with a win on Thursday lol
Why is so hard to acknowledge the defense playewd very well in THIS game? Geez.
Enjoy the win or root for another team.
+1
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
He made the one dumb ass throw (that Nabers bailed
him out on).
Otherwise, his reads were sound, he was as assertive as was needed. His only clean pocket on the deep ball was the first one and just missed. They can win and be competitive with this level of QB play. Good enough for now.
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the defense, let's see how you are feeling after the next game.
Why is so hard to acknowledge the defense playewd very well in THIS game? Geez.
He's on of the same dudes I think whining about Giants should've scored a TD rather than kneel. .
• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate
• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate
• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate
• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate
How about the Giants defense made him look bad....there was a reason he played poorly.
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• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate
• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate
How about the Giants defense made him look bad....there was a reason he played poorly.
Didn’t say the Giants didn’t have a hand in him playing poorly
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Put me in the camp that thought it was a horrible call. He was squared up and finished his block. Too many calls like that in the NFL today. The CB cried and got the call, didn’t even fight to work off the block. Don’t reward that.
Glad I wasn't the only one. That looked very clean.
Flailing and falling backward neither defeats the block, nor should it draw a hold.
It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q
I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff
Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it
Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG
Etc etc
This was ineptitude
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Giants Advanced Stats by Half:
• 1st Half •
0.35 EPA/Play
0.60 EPA/Dropback
54% Success Rate (21 successful plays)
63% Dropback Success Rate
• 2nd Half •
-0.37 EPA/Play
-0.38 EPA/Dropback
31% Success Rate (9 successful plays)
33% Dropback Success Rate
How about the Giants defense made him look bad....there was a reason he played poorly.
Didn’t say the Giants didn’t have a hand in him playing poorly
Then what was your point?
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.
The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q
I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff
Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it
Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG
Etc etc
This was ineptitude
Here is your lollipop, you understand what it is to watch two bad football teams compete.
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I didn't expect to read all this.
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.
The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
This. Winning in Cleveland is a big deal.
And the Giants controlled the lines.
And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.
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I didn't expect to read all this.
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
Odd is an understatement. If they got outplayed and still won, it wouldn't matter. A win is a win. They outplayed the Skins last week and lost. But as it is they were the better team which is no small thing in Cleveland.
The other guys get paid too. Including $46 million a year for the QB the defense plastered.
This. Winning in Cleveland is a big deal.
And the Giants controlled the lines.
There is improvement each week. Uneven for sure, but tangible improvement. Everyone had us losing this game, and we dominated for half the game. None of you honestly expected this.
I'm down on them based on their history, but odd game to be negative after.
JOrthman welcome to BBI. My name is Larry and it's a pleasure to meet you
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In comment 16619561 Big Blue Blogger said:
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...then they realized why he gave himself up. It was exactly the right play, and it reflected the situational awareness that was always an unfortunate hole in Barkley's game.
3 times 40 = 2 minutes
Anyone questioning it is wrong
One way is a certain win. The other way is a probable win. It isn’t splitting hairs. Giving himself on the 1 was the correct decision. Great heads up play - the kind Barkley wasn’t ever smart enough to do.
Except he did do it. At least twice that i recall. There is plenty to bang on Barkley about, but let’s not pretend he hasn’t done what singletary did.
And yet you won’t acknowledge that the offense was really good in the first half and gave them a good chance to win.
Lol, you’re so predictable…
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Cleveland hang in. Think that’s pretty obvious.
And yet you won’t acknowledge that the offense was really good in the first half and gave them a good chance to win.
Lol, you’re so predictable…
That’s funny because I’ve consistently complimented the WRs, said Jones played well in the first half.
But that doesn’t mean they didn’t take a step back in the second half. Multiple things are allowed to be true, know that’s too hard for you to comprehend
And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.
Good to see you back posting.
The game was as close as the final score.
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Nobody gave the Giants a chance today. In fact, lots of posters said they wouldn’t even watch the game.
And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.
Good to see you back posting.
The game was as close as the final score.
Come on AJ you know the achy is falling but it's gonna be awesome and there'll be ice cream for everyone.
It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q
I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff
Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it
Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG
Etc etc
This was ineptitude
I don't seebit that way. It's fine people see what they want..Jones misses Nabers deep that would have been another TD. Giants fumbled stopping another drive..
Giants defense was all over the Browns Oline and Watson
As for Banks…the guy is like a glove…now he has to learn to look back at the QB to track the ball.
Great to see our DL dominate after last week’s no show.
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A win is a win.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
You don’t feel any better about the defense?
No, I don't. The Browns O Line is a disaster.
Let's see who shows up on Thursday night.
Like I said, I'm not holding my breath.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
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In comment 16619972 Hammer said:
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A win is a win.
I really do not feel any better about this team than I did after the first two games.
Let's see if they are competitive agains a mediocre Cowboys team on Thursday night.
I'm not holding my breath.
You don’t feel any better about the defense?
No, I don't. The Browns O Line is a disaster.
Let's see who shows up on Thursday night.
Like I said, I'm not holding my breath.
Cautiously optimistic about the defense but I need to see a few games like this before thinking they’ve turned a corner from fine to good.
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I watched this game at a large party and very few Giants fans
It felt like two teams intentionally throwing the game in that 4Q
I mean the Giants had nothing to do with thaf fumble. Just a botched handoff
Why did Cleveland go for it on 4th & 1 with 4 mins left and their TOs. Giants FG ends it
Yet the Giants starting on the 29 go backwards on 3 plays and miss the FG
Etc etc
This was ineptitude
I don't seebit that way. It's fine people see what they want..Jones misses Nabers deep that would have been another TD. Giants fumbled stopping another drive..
Giants defense was all over the Browns Oline and Watson
What you are describing is offensive ineptitude
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
I was hoping he'd go in this direction.
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Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
The All 22 will be an interesting watch, as it may have started in the second half today.
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In comment 16620494 ajr2456 said:
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Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
The All 22 will be an interesting watch, as it may have started in the second half today.
That will be interesting. Sy will probably have something on it. I just think Daboll was calling safe plays/keep away. I didn't like it.
But it should open up every other part of the field. It will take maybe three players to cut Nabers off. CB, Safety and probably a LB from time to time.
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In comment 16620522 section125 said:
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In comment 16620494 ajr2456 said:
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Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
The All 22 will be an interesting watch, as it may have started in the second half today.
That will be interesting. Sy will probably have something on it. I just think Daboll was calling safe plays/keep away. I didn't like it.
But it should open up every other part of the field. It will take maybe three players to cut Nabers off. CB, Safety and probably a LB from time to time.
Possibly but teams likely will be fine letting him catch it underneath and limiting his YAC, which has been a majority of the offense right now. They’ll dare Jones to hit Nabers deep hoping he’ll miss more than he hits. Teams will force them to play how Daboll and we all want them to play.
Whether they can execute is another story
Possibly but teams likely will be fine letting him catch it underneath and limiting his YAC, which has been a majority of the offense right now. They’ll dare Jones to hit Nabers deep hoping he’ll miss more than he hits. Teams will force them to play how Daboll and we all want them to play.
Whether they can execute is another story
Sooner or later, they have to hit some deeper passes to keep the safeties high.
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Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
LOL. ajr (and others) don’t like it when you point out facts. Fucks up their narratives.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
We each had two turnovers and one of ours led to us falling behind 7-0 11 seconds into a game where we got the ball first.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
LOL. "Turnover luck"?? The Giants had more turnovers than the Browns. Some people just love to twist themselves in a pretzel to dismiss things.
Fred hit the nail on the head way, way earlier.
In comment 16620046 GiantGrit said:
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And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
LOL. "Turnover luck"?? The Giants had more turnovers than the Browns. Some people just love to twist themselves in a pretzel to dismiss things.
Fred hit the nail on the head way, way earlier.
And the Giants had an interception overturned, one ripped out of the defenders hands, and one dropped. That counts as turnover luck.
Nowhere was anything dismissed, it’s ok to point out this still isn’t a good team.
Glad all it takes is a win against the Browns to get you out of hiding.
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In comment 16620494 ajr2456 said:
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Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
LOL. ajr (and others) don’t like it when you point out facts. Fucks up their narratives.
This is an odd post being that we agreed. Try harder
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Nobody gave the Giants a chance today. In fact, lots of posters said they wouldn’t even watch the game.
And if we are being honest, the game wasn’t as close as the final score.
Good to see you back posting.
The game was as close as the final score.
I’ve posted during and after every game this year. Don’t be a dick just because the Giants won today. Everyone is in a good mood except you. Go figure.
Admit it, you thought the game was over with the fumble and the 1 play TD drive. I did. But, they stood tall. Great resolve.
I love the football IQ displayed by Singletary, but part of me also likes the idea of the TD there and making it a 2 score game.
Bottom line, though, nice win.
Curious how Sy and guys like BigBlueBanter see it. They do need to hit big plays down field and sooner than later. Get Hyatt involved, Dabes.
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In comment 16620522 section125 said:
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In comment 16620494 ajr2456 said:
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Lots of dump offs and creative scheming the last two weeks. Much like 2022 defenses will start to adjust and roll coverages toward Nabers.
If the Giants want to remain competitive Daboll and Jones will have to adjust and start hitting plays down field. If the downfield shots keep being as poor as they’ve been they’re going to struggle massively.
Yes, except the WRs are much better now then in 2022. They didn't have anyone as good as Nabers and Robinson.
But you are correct. Sometime soon(Thursday) they will roll coverage toward Nabers. Kafka has to have Slayton or Hyatt ready - or Johnson has to start catching passes.
LOL. ajr (and others) don’t like it when you point out facts. Fucks up their narratives.
This is an odd post being that we agreed. Try harder
Bullshit. You point to the struggles of the offense of the 2nd half, without giving credit to the first half.
But you do you.
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And their defense didn’t collapse after giving up a first play touchdown.
A lot of NFL games are won because one team makes less shitty plays. I don’t think there should be any chest thumping and acting like they dominated the Browns. Today turnover luck was in the Giants favor, sometimes it won’t be.
We each had two turnovers and one of ours led to us falling behind 7-0 11 seconds into a game where we got the ball first.
Shhh! Ajr doesn’t like it when you fuck up his narrative
Curious how Sy and guys like BigBlueBanter see it. They do need to hit big plays down field and sooner than later. Get Hyatt involved, Dabes.
It’s the one route Hyatt runs well right now, any future success likely depends on him making some plays down field. I expect Dallas to minimize the YAC and dare Jones to hit Slayton and Hyatt down field on Thursday. If they can’t it might look like week 1 again, if they can maybe they can finally beat Dallas for once.
Bullshit. You point to the struggles of the offense of the 2nd half, without giving credit to the first half.
But you do you.
Besides that post not even being about the second half offense, when did I not give credit to the offense in the first half? As well as the offense played in the first half, not being able to score again to put the game out of reach is concerning. It’s not like they went score for score in a second half shoot out with Cleveland. They put up 0 points. Not sure how this is pushing a narrative.
Your first actual football conversation on this board will be your first. You should probably head to bed so me and section can finish an actual football conversation.
Deshaun Watson is leading an **all-time-franchise bad** offense for the CLEVELAND BROWNS.
I really feel like my personal whipping boy Cor'Dale Flott had a better game than I expected. Other than the one badly missed tackle, he was almost good..... Dare I say it.
The two Browns turnovers, 1 was a brian burns strip sack, how is that luck? The ither was a bad handoff, you want to call that luck fine..
And the score wasnt anywhere near indicative of the dominence the Giants defense had..Browns had TWO drives the entire game, 1 was 26 yards and the other was 49 yards, that is it..The browns did absolutely nothing..
In reality since we are doing a bunch of hypotheticals to dismiss the win, i guess its fair to say the score should of been 31-15
Hard to understand imv as I think he can be a good substitute RB behind Singletary.
ST’s is a huge problem that hasn’t been addressed in years now.
Hard to understand imv as I think he can be a good substitute RB behind Singletary.
ST’s is a huge problem that hasn’t been addressed in years now.
I think Tracy has taken over the backup RB position. He’s looked pretty darn good to me in the limited snaps.
The two Browns turnovers, 1 was a brian burns strip sack, how is that luck? The ither was a bad handoff, you want to call that luck fine..
And the score wasnt anywhere near indicative of the dominence the Giants defense had..Browns had TWO drives the entire game, 1 was 26 yards and the other was 49 yards, that is it..The browns did absolutely nothing..
In reality since we are doing a bunch of hypotheticals to dismiss the win, i guess its fair to say the score should of been 31-15
You have zero idea what turnover luck is. The Giants had an interception overturned, and two broken up by Nabers. That’s turnover luck. Just like the Giants missing a fg to keep Cleveland in the game was luck. Nobody dismissed the win, in fact it even says “that’s how most games in the league are won”.
The Giants dominated for a half. They barely managed 100 yards of offense and scored zero points in the second half. All while getting two turnovers, one at midfield and one in Browns territory.
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to be negative, Giants lost a fumble on the opening kickoff and were down 7-0 in 11 seconds..
The two Browns turnovers, 1 was a brian burns strip sack, how is that luck? The ither was a bad handoff, you want to call that luck fine..
And the score wasnt anywhere near indicative of the dominence the Giants defense had..Browns had TWO drives the entire game, 1 was 26 yards and the other was 49 yards, that is it..The browns did absolutely nothing..
In reality since we are doing a bunch of hypotheticals to dismiss the win, i guess its fair to say the score should of been 31-15
You have zero idea what turnover luck is. The Giants had an interception overturned, and two broken up by Nabers. That’s turnover luck. Just like the Giants missing a fg to keep Cleveland in the game was luck. Nobody dismissed the win, in fact it even says “that’s how most games in the league are won”.
The Giants dominated for a half. They barely managed 100 yards of offense and scored zero points in the second half. All while getting two turnovers, one at midfield and one in Browns territory.
We are relaly going to play this game? we can do the same thing to Deshaun Watson, Brian Burns should of had a pick six as well...
Calling it luck because turnover happens or doesnt happen is not really fair, Every turnover or non turnover is different yes but sometimes like the Nabers catch or Nabers knocking the ball out of the Browns defenders hands so there was no INT is just a good smart play..
Some things just never change…