The Standards for this Franchise are Below the Floor. A losing culture.
The Paul Schwartz article today featured some quotes by 2 Giants that display the mindset the team is at being 1-3. I think it continues to show the complete acceptance of a losing culture that has seaped in
We got into scoring position multiple times against Dallas. We scored I think on every drive in the first half, and then in the second half, we got into scoring position other times. If it wasn’t for a penalty here or there, or better execution by us here or there, we would have been in scoring position some more. That tells you that we’re getting into the scoring position and now you just have to finish from there. The encouraging part of that is that we are getting down there. If you’re not getting down there then you don’t have a chance in the first place. I would say that going forward is what we will try to hang our hat on is” ~ Slayton
“If you watch our games, we’ve moved the ball in every single game,” right tackle Jermaine Eluemunor said. “Obviously, the Vikings game we could have moved it a little bit better, but we were still moving the ball in that game. If you watch the Vikings now, a lot of teams struggle against that defense. I feel like we played a pretty good game against them’
After the last game, Daboll; himself used the word “proud” to describe his QB describing his play as “I thought, for three games he’s been locked in.”
Jones got so worked up over the 1-3 that mustered up the word “frustrated” while finding a way to pay the offense of the back.
‘And in a game that I felt like we were able to do a lot and move the ball well and execute a lot of stuff well, we didn't execute the red zone stuff and didn't punch it in so that's frustrating."
Strong stuff from our captain and leader at 1-3 for the 5th time in 6 years
Compare and contrast for a minute
Before the TNF. Micah Parsons said this about possibly losing 3 straight games for the first time in his life at any level.
“I feel like, as a competitor, at some point, you’ve got to be prideful enough to say, ‘Hey, I’m not going to allow this to happen to me.’ I feel like some people are just allowing them[selves] to keep getting smacked in the face. When are you going to stand up?”
Cee Dee Lamb said about his performance in losing vs Baltimore
‘ mHonestly I got to be truthful to myself and I played a part in that loss, a big part, honestly, and [neither] my body language nor attitude [helped change] the outcome of the game."I fully take accountability in that.
Or how about Miami? The HC. said
“There was a tremendous disconnect between preparation and execution,” McDaniel said after the loss last night. “On the field, that’s not even close to good enough, so you just have to go back to the drawing board and assess very critically.”
“Yeah, everything is on the table,” McDaniel said. “You can’t argue the offense is good.’
Or Mike Tomlin on Justin Fields 312 yd passing performance and comeback from 17-3 down just to lose 27-24
"I appreciate his fight. But he, and we, were a little bit sloppy at times, too sloppy to comfortably secure victory," Tomlin said after the game.
When asked why he was still “skeptical” he said about his QB
Tomlin said “Win. That's our business.”
Compare to:
BRIAN DABOLL: Again, the result stinks. But I thought there was improvement. I think there's been continual improvement of the results. Again, last week we got the result we wanted, this week we didn't. Which is hurtful. It hurts, it's painful, you work your butt off. We had a good short week. But, we played the game the way we needed to play it.
I’m not sure if you are picking up the same difference in mindset that I’m seeing from these teams. I’ve noticed we don’t really even use the word “win” anymore. It’s the word “result” instead.
I guess out is “Just win baby!” And in is “Just get the result we want!”
I just don’t see or hear a team from top to bottom that is in any bothered or uncomfortable with losing.
Joe Schoen 11/27 on 4-8
‘we had a difficult schedule right off the bat. Three games in 11 days, and two of those teams being atop of the NFC right now, or near the top of the NFC. We started off, very good drive against Dallas there to open the season, we get a false start, a bad snap, a blocked field goal for a touchdown, and it kind of snowballed from there.”
Instead he should have said you are what your record days you are. We need to consistently win to say we are competitive.
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Dexter Lawrence seems to be on the verge of snapping. He vents every week about how he’s tired of losing … and the losses to continue to pile up.
Lawrence snapping might be good for this franchise in the long run and actually wake them up. Barkley being the perfect company man during years of incompetence probably did nobody any favors.
Who gives a shit. He loses. He lost in college and he loses in the NFL. His teammates know it and Jones gets rewarded for it. This place us just where players come to get paid. Get a QB in here players believe in and that will change. Organization is stuck until they get rid of this guy
Instead he should have said you are what your record days you are. We need to consistently win to say we are competitive.
The mission statement for the franchise is "meaningful games in December" which in itself is a pitiful standard for success.
“We haven’t played good, I mean, really, all three games,” he said after Sunday night’s game. “We’ve been able to win, [and] that speaks to the character of the team, the grit, how we’ve been in these situations before. But I’ll speak — especially offensively and me, myself, I feel like I haven’t played very well.”
Bill Walsh would say that the 49ers were only competing with 8 teams for the title. As a Walsh guy Andy Reid will probably be saying something similar today in Kansas City, and the Giants aren't one of the 8 teams. The Giants are a doormat. A speed bump for the real teams.
If a completely new group of players and coaches showed up to represent the Giants in Seattle on Sunday, who would care?
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Apparently we're not ready. Every other team is, but not NYG.
If they beat dallas on TNF would they have been ready?
I'd rather be the Saints. Anything is better than this shit.
Slow and steady wins the race.....
Who gives a shit. He loses. He lost in college and he loses in the NFL. His teammates know it and Jones gets rewarded for it. This place us just where players come to get paid. Get a QB in here players believe in and that will change. Organization is stuck until they get rid of this guy
Yup. But, they keep rolling him out there and spending big on a Burns, who's never been a blue chipper in the NFL, like they're a player away from winning. It's feeling like the leadership has no clue about the actual lack of talent or how to self-scout correctly.
Instead he should have said you are what your record days you are. We need to consistently win to say we are competitive.
Dumb response of the week.... do you think Mara doesn't care about winning. If you believe this you are a 100% moron!
Until the Mara's care about winning as much as they care about the "TRAILING" culture, nothing will change.
The Giants are not trying to win.
Can anyone truly make the argument that they are turning over every stone to get better? If they were, why is Drew Lock the backup? Why isn't it Darnold, or Fields, or Flacco. We know the answer is because they feel like Daniel deserves a shot with his weapons and without competition breathing down his neck.
They hope to win. They aren't trying to win.
We've been saying this shit for years.
The "improvement" stuff is self-preservation. We're in year 3 and the improvement of the team overall from 2022 isn't obvious, which is a concern.
We've been saying this shit for years.
Indeed. I could live with the continued presence of Jones if they had ever brought in legit competition, someone who could conceivably win the starting job if Jones didn't take a step forward. They've never done that. He's been the unquestioned starter this entire time and they've had a single wild card win to show for it.
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Dumb response of the week.... do you think Mara doesn't care about winning. If you believe this you are a 100% moron!
Before you call someone a moron maybe should re-read what I said. I did not say he doesn't care about winning I said he sets the bar too low.
A winning record means you are competitive. Year after year of losing records mean you are not competitive. If you think otherwise so be it.
We've been saying this shit for years.
I think you hit the nail on the head. NYG thinks too much about fairness or how long of a leash someone should have. It's why I've mentioned it in regards with Daboll and Schoen - they've had a tougher road to land an impact QB, maybe that's less "fair". But, it's year three now and this is the product.
I'll know things are better when GM/HC/QB are all reset with no one lingering around from the prior regime. That's never happened since the downturn in 2013.
The Giants have established a culture that accepts trying hard, being good people, and being fair. Winning is something they hope is an outgrowth of that. But it is very obvious this far from a culture that expects to win.
This team needs someone, or some group of someones, to change the current culture that permeates this organization. Losing and making one bumbling mistake after the next has become the DNA of this franchise.
Just way too many comfortable people in this organization. Even reading Jones' presser today...what world is he living in? THE TEAM SCORED FIFTEEN POINTS VS. DALLAS & HE'S TALKING LIKE THEY SCORED FIFTY! Jesus Christ.
And the negatives for a good part of the last 6-7 years is scoring.
We suck at it. Score touchdowns, that’s your job.
This requires a real QB of course.
John Mara is a nice man, John Mara wants win, no cares more than John Mara. F**k that and f**K him. It's time for the free pass to end. John Mara is why the Giants suck.
5 HCs and 3 GMs and year after year and we continue to buy his embarrassing, laughing stock product like the suckers we are.
90% or more of the people who post here either don't know or won't admit how much Giants fans hated Wellington Mara by 1979. John Mara is actually worse. The current NFL is setup so that there can't be any 1970s Cowboys or Steelers. Even in this watered down era of NFL football John Mara can't hire people capable of meeting his lowest standard imaginable of "meaningful" games in December.
The pathetic Giants haven't been playing "meaningful" games in October for most of the last decade plus let alone December.
Before any of you Mara butt snorkelers bring up the past Super Bowls save it. That Giants organization, the one without Mara's picking the players - especially the QB - no longer exists.
Q: When you look back at yourself, what did you see from that Dallas game?
DANIEL JONES: I thought for the most part I played with good rhythm and made good decisions, where to go with the ball. I thought guys did a good job getting open. I thought we did a really good job protecting against a good pass rush. I think it was just some missed opportunities that you'd like to have back. But overall, I felt like execution was good, for the most part. We just go to convert those opportunities.
John Mara is a nice man, John Mara wants win, no cares more than John Mara. F**k that and f**K him. It's time for the free pass to end. John Mara is why the Giants suck.
5 HCs and 3 GMs and year after year and we continue to buy his embarrassing, laughing stock product like the suckers we are.
90% or more of the people who post here either don't know or won't admit how much Giants fans hated Wellington Mara by 1979. John Mara is actually worse. The current NFL is setup so that there can't be any 1970s Cowboys or Steelers. Even in this watered down era of NFL football John Mara can't hire people capable of meeting his lowest standard imaginable of "meaningful" games in December.
The pathetic Giants haven't been playing "meaningful" games in October for most of the last decade plus let alone December.
Before any of you Mara butt snorkelers bring up the past Super Bowls save it. That Giants organization, the one without Mara's picking the players - especially the QB - no longer exists.
True, the only time in the last 50 years that the Giants had an actual good football organization is when they were forced to hire George Young, who brought in actual, qualified football executives who hired actual, good football minds/coaches. When the Maras run the organization, it is a shitshow. Our only hope is when the older Maras die off and hopefully the kids bring in football lifers again.
I'm sure Mara et all like this calmer version. They like that Daboll is coloring inside the lines these days.
But I prefer the 2022 version of Daboll. It's more genuine. If this losing continues, I hope Daboll drops he facade and starts putting people on notice.
Maybe something similar to the MULTIPLE quotes from other coaches that the OP just compared Daboll to?
Because they have nothing else. Players and coaches can actually do something about the situation.
The only things fans can do to effect a game is buy a ticket and be loud when the other team's offense is on the field.
You get much better/more honest reactions from the assistant coaches, IMO, especially on defensive side. Shane Bowen strikes me as a fiery guy and I've heard him say things pretty frank. Patterson for example won't even project any satisfaction with Dex being as good as he is. It's clear he's always pushing him to get better, never complacent. So I think there's a bit of an style when it comes to the media, but rarely 100% honesty in public.
Sound familiar?
Those are quotes from Joe Judge after the 2021 Miami game when the team scored 9 points.
Transcript; Joe Judge, December 5, 2021 - ( New Window )
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There was a lot of things that I saw today in the way we played, a lot of things that are moving in the right direction, a lot of things I'm very pleased with in terms of how we competed. And we were able to make some stops at critical moments, able to make some good decisions… I'm pleased with a lot of the things on the team. This is going to be a good week for us to get together as a team, go out to the west coast, work together, reset ourselves a little bit, keep moving forward.
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I think right now there are some opportunities we have as far as getting the ball down the field, pushing it down the field making plays…. but I'm encouraged by some of the things we're seeing out there in terms of how that group is progressing. We've got to keep doing better overall as a team.
Sound familiar?
Those are quotes from Joe Judge after the 2021 Miami game when the team scored 9 points. Transcript; Joe Judge, December 5, 2021 - ( New Window )
Exactly right. There is a fine line between being saying nothing and being a charlatan. Public comments do matter, and they give the fans AND the locker room an indication of the character and intelligence of the leader.
Why should Mara do anything other than follow his playbook. Sell hope in the spring with hype and fan fests, shopping hungry for "names" on the end caps of the store rather than shop with a defined list. Then we're forced to stare at a roster with the Cordell Flott's and Darnay Holmes' of the world getting tons of starting reps year after year until they find the next light corner who either can't cover, can't tackle or can't get off the IR, and Dex surrounded by DT depth that wouldn't make most practice squads, etc.
It's not a football team it's just another poorly-run family business with an in-demand product that sells itself.
Yet you have these few diehard homers --4xchamps, MBavaro, a few others -- who will insult anyone who criticizes the Giants. Criticize Mara -- They insult you. Criticize Jones -- they insult you. Criticize Daboll or Schoen -- they insult you. Criticize Burns or Thibs -- they insult you.
I'd last to ask this people -- who exactly IS to blame for a decade of shitty football?
They never put up any points. I’m so sick of hearing excuses and things are improving. Go produce.