He's better than his biggest detractors say he is.
He's not as good as his biggest supporters say he is.
When we all think Jones turns a corner, he follows it up with a bad game.
When we all think Jones is done here, he follows it up with a strong game.
He played well today and it was a good win in a tough place to play. I thought they'd win all week because this is what always happens.
This. We have to stop ignoring this guys entire career because of his last game.
I am happy the Giants won, and glad he played well. But the #1 need this team has is a QB.
But you’ve started no less than 70 threads on Daniel Jones. Majority of which say he sucks and Giants need to move on ASAP.
This thread from you today is bullshit.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
Then what is we throw away another year based on hopes instead of honest evaluation.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
This is spot on. Jones is the opposite of an enigma. Everyone knows what he is.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
Every time you think he's close to getting benched, he does just enough to remain the starter. That's what happens here.
He was bad against Minnesota. Real bad. And he missed the deep shots against Dallas.
Outside of that he has been a good quarterback and playing winning football.
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Jones isn't an enigma. He is a low-end starter / high-end backup. These players are certainly capable of great games and even good seasons.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
Every time you think he's close to getting benched, he does just enough to remain the starter. That's what happens here.
I don't think he gets benched until we are eliminated from the playoffs. And that's only because of the injury guarantee. He isn't going to string together enough week 1 caliber bad games to warrant benching him for Drew Lock.
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Jones isn't an enigma. He is a low-end starter / high-end backup. These players are certainly capable of great games and even good seasons.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
Every time you think he's close to getting benched, he does just enough to remain the starter. That's what happens here.
Sean. “Just enough”. Really? Today was just enough. No, it was far better than that.
+1000
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
Spot on
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You know there are folks in the front office who are bouncing off the walls, not because the Giants won, but because they won with Daniel!
He is no way Alex Smith. Smith was 96-67-1 as a starter and led multiple franchises into the playoffs . He had a winning record at every stop.
Daniel Jones is 22-39-1 as a starter
Pretty simple to me. Keep signing qbs and maybe even draft one until there is someone better on the roster. Unless Jones regresses again-if he looks more 22 than 23; guess what his cap number is not that terrible in year 3 of this contract given the QB market is reset. Not ideal for sure. But you need to have a better option.
I'm sorry the QB didn't give you any more fodder in his 100th last chance, but it is a hell of a lot more than just him!
But you’ve started no less than 70 threads on Daniel Jones. Majority of which say he sucks and Giants need to move on ASAP.
This thread from you today is bullshit.
1000% agree with you.
Hes not the dogshit the media and the haters on the board made him out to be. Does not mean the Giants should not try to upgrade. Does not mean they should anoint him king with no challenger.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
Pretty much. I'm glad he played well, and I hope he plays well for the remainder of his time here. But I don't know how anyone still doesn't understand what he is as a QB at this point.
You know there are folks in the front office who are bouncing off the walls, not because the Giants won, but because they won with Daniel!
OT would have been very interesting to see if Jones could have delivered.
He needs to buy Simmons dinner all week. ;)
The fact that this is probably a top 7-8 performance from Jones should tell you all you need to know.
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My guess is that if they don't go qb, cb could be on the agenda.
The rest of the team has some holes but even the Chiefs/Texans/49ers do. A more consistent offense helps cover that.
The rest of the roster is good enough to be in the playoffs.
His accuracy is/was an issue, and feel for the game isn’t there. If we can find an upgrade, I’m down.. I’m not gonna be super dramatic and say he sucks, but if doesn’t start finding secondary and tertiary targets (which he has time this year to do!) we need to find someone as well have a tough go of it against better teams.
Hope he can take the next step with the revelation our oline has become.
His accuracy is/was an issue, and feel for the game isn’t there. If we can find an upgrade, I’m down.. I’m not gonna be super dramatic and say he sucks, but if doesn’t start finding secondary and tertiary targets (which he has time this year to do!) we need to find someone as well have a tough go of it against better teams.
Hope he can take the next step with the revelation our oline has become.
Yessir.
All of us can see that. That is not hard to imagine at all. Jones is not being critically evaluated - the people in the front office are desperately hoping to be proven right about him, no matter how many seasons have to be sacrificed.
His accuracy is/was an issue, and feel for the game isn’t there. If we can find an upgrade, I’m down.. I’m not gonna be super dramatic and say he sucks, but if doesn’t start finding secondary and tertiary targets (which he has time this year to do!) we need to find someone as well have a tough go of it against better teams.
Hope he can take the next step with the revelation our oline has become.
This. Jones is not the answer. Don't get sucked in. Draft a QB. He has enough tools now to make him look semi-competent.
All of us can see that. That is not hard to imagine at all. Jones is not being critically evaluated - the people in the front office are desperately hoping to be proven right about him, no matter how many seasons have to be sacrificed.
This is a point I wholeheartedly agree with.
And that's because I have maintained that Schoen - and Daboll by proxy - wanted to re-invest in Jones for 2023 and were perfectly fine running it back with Jones in 2024 because their interest in trading up in April was tepid, not hot.
I don't subscribe to the idea of getting a new QB just for the sake of getting a new QB, but the Giants need to continue to actively seek better options.
i still think jones is better than darnold or some of the other retreads that were available. So they liked nabers over jj and went that direction this year. let’s see where they draft where they are and who is available.
Exactly.
Why doesn’t everybody on this site understand what you just said?
You mean like not dropping passes that are thrown right into your hands?
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
joe flacco and andy dalton were both 10 year+ starters who went to playoffs. they aren't enigmas, they are old and limited.
how many people fall into that fan group?
how many more fall into the group that would blast him to the moon right now if they could?
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Jones isn't an enigma. He is a low-end starter / high-end backup. These players are certainly capable of great games and even good seasons.
Joe Flacco this week and Dalton a couple of weeks ago both had superb games. Are they enigmas? Or are they back up caliber players who had great games?
Mediocre QBs are not Jake Fromm or Nathan Peterman. Those are disaster QBs. Mediocre QBs have some good games, some bad games, but overall put together average or below average seasons.
joe flacco and andy dalton were both 10 year+ starters who went to playoffs. they aren't enigmas, they are old and limited.
Then substitute DeVito after the Green Bay game or whatever crappy backup QB has a great game this year or last year.
Backup QBs have great games (usually when playing the Giants), great QBs have terrible ones. It's why I care about larger sample sizes (when we have them). Drilling down on Jones, he was never as bad as that week one performance.
Some fans see that as a guy giving 100% and being a competitor. Others see that as being dumb and reckless. Both can be correct.
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he still does not know how to slide or protect himself. How many years will it take?
Some fans see that as a guy giving 100% and being a competitor. Others see that as being dumb and reckless. Both can be correct.
As an aside (and maybe people in the game thread talked about it), but Geno sliding a yard ahead of the the first down marker on third down in the second half was absolutely terrible, lol.
how many people fall into that fan group?
how many more fall into the group that would blast him to the moon right now if they could?
Are we including Jack Stroud and Eight shamrocks in this?
how many people fall into that fan group?
how many more fall into the group that would blast him to the moon right now if they could?
Good questions. I definitely think there are more who would blast him to the moon. Probably by a wide margin.
I just think Daniel Jones is good enough to get you fired as I said last week. This was a nice performance today and he has a knack for playing well on the road.
It's just an interesting thing to me. I'm not sure it's a slam dunk he's cut in February.
to answer brett's other reply his game against minnesota was definitely bad. that is what bad starters look like. i dont think that's been his usual though, and it isn't what he's been since. im would guesstimate 80% of his starts over his career to have been somewhere in the middle 1/3, with the occasional better game (like today) and the occasional worse game (like min).
this season has been a very "he is what he is" season so far, but relatively speaking i think there are a lot more people who think he's worse than he is than think he's better.
And yet another opportunity for him to flip the narrative regarding his home + prime time performance record next Sunday, against a team that is beatable but will put up points.
I think 25’ is in play but only if he turns it around at home.
And the Giants still need to move on. Carry on.
Are visions of an extension dancing in your head?
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he still does not know how to slide or protect himself. How many years will it take?
Some fans see that as a guy giving 100% and being a competitor. Others see that as being dumb and reckless. Both can be correct.
As an aside (and maybe people in the game thread talked about it), but Geno sliding a yard ahead of the the first down marker on third down in the second half was absolutely terrible, lol.
My son and I were laughing about how terrible a play by Geno that was. It was awful.
I thought it was an easy busted coverage throw.
That world has been here all along. They will win 7 games and Jones will throw 20 TDs and he will be the unchallenged starter in 2025. I’d bet my next mortgage payment on it.
The Seahawks stink. They have faced Bo Nix, Jacoby Brissett, and Skylar Thompson in their wins, allowed ZERO incompletions to Jared Goff last week, and just got torched by Daniel Jones.
But you know what, let the Jones gang have their fun. We’ll be back here in 2025 doing the same shit, and it won’t be good enough to actually contend.
Mmmmm.
Throw out the easy win vs Miami. That team is in crisis and winning against them means nothing.
A legit #2 WR. Slayton or Hyatt aren’t it. Just like they need to move on from Jones they need to move on from Slayton. Slayton is a worse WR2 than DJ is a QB1. You’re not winning with Slayton as a 2.
They need a TE. Theo looked good today but they still need a lot more from him and need another legit TE regardless.
They need a good RB. Maybe Tracey is it after today? Who knows…but Singletary and Gray aren’t good.
They need another stud DT. Preferably a 3tech. Davidson looked good today and Chatman has played decent but when Dex comes out of the game there’s a tremendous drop off in the way the defense plays.
They need a legit #1 CB. Or if you think Banks is a legit 1 fine, they need another.
And they need a 3rd edge rusher to rotate in. Azeez has played ok this year but I’ll be shocked if he’s back next year so edge is still a priority.
If they have a shot to get a top QB they have to take it. But they still need a lot of help to be a legit consistent playoff contender.
I want two out of three good years.
Throw out the easy win vs Miami. That team is in crisis and winning against them means nothing.
Mmmm indeed
Keep building —-build this roster up and let’s hope that we can reestablish a winning culture here again. I get the need to tank for the great QB, but losing begets losing —-it doesn’t always work out that way where you get the dream QB and all the problems go away. Just win for now. Learn to walk before we fly. Look at the Knicks their first three years under rose and Thibs and look at where they are now. They won all the while, didn’t seem to hurt their draft positioning did it?
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
It's not like any of those were dropped game-winners. Hell, for all we know Jones could have followed any of those dropped passes with a pick six the very next play if they'd been caught.
Other players on the team make mistakes too, yes. But Jones has a history here, his reputation as a below average starting QB is earned, and it's going to take more than playing well a quarter of a season go change it.
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There is a lot of football left and Jones is obviously the QB. His play for the full season will determine what happens with him.
Exactly!
If you want to speculate then fine …. But it’s just speculation.
The season he and the team have will determine the future.
Personallly?
I think this is a SuperBowl team.
It that’s just me.
Why doesn’t everybody on this site understand what you just said?
Give the man a huge extension, post haste!
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
We should be 2-0 in division
Also, Schoen will definitely be here next year. Daboll needs to prove he belongs.
Seriously - 9/30???
I think Schoen will play it just like he did this past off season. If a qb they like can be drafted either with their pick or via a trade up, then they will do that. If not, they will roll with jones again.
I would be in favor of signing a capable free agent like cousins (if available), then draft the future QB. Then release or trade Jones if possible.
I think Schoen will play it just like he did this past off season. If a qb they like can be drafted either with their pick or via a trade up, then they will do that. If not, they will roll with jones again.
I would be in favor of signing a capable free agent like cousins (if available), then draft the future QB. Then release or trade Jones if possible.
Jones has played decently, but is leaving plays on the field. He missed a few throws yesterday and he seems to conservative on the deep balls. I do not have All-22, but would love to see how many times he just couldn't pull the trigger.
I do think unless Jones all of a sudden gets really good, not mediocre good, really good, they draft a QB.
Will wait and see what Sy has to say on his review.
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Jones 5th in the NFL in overall efficiency since week 2 but carry on.
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
Posts like this that are completely untrue and devoid of any fact are what kills message boards.
Try harder. Missed Robinson twice off the top of my head. Not badly, but enough.
He was 23/34. And they all weren't drops or throw aways.
Fools gold, just like 2022
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12th in QBR. Ahead of Darnold, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Stafford and Mahomes, among others.
Fools gold, just like 2022
Not really. Jones needs to be replaced, but his stats are his stats if you use them correctly. He is not effective enough inside the red zone. Daboll has to do something with that.
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12th in QBR. Ahead of Darnold, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Stafford and Mahomes, among others.
Fools gold, just like 2022
Not really. Jones needs to be replaced, but his stats are his stats if you use them correctly. He is not effective enough inside the red zone. Daboll has to do something with that.
Like to see Theo get some 1 on 1s on the outside. Nabers will get a ton of attention so it could lead Johnson with some favorable matchups.
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
The infamous “if” argument for Daniel.
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12th in QBR. Ahead of Darnold, Prescott, Hurts, Cousins, Stafford and Mahomes, among others.
Fools gold, just like 2022
Not really. Jones needs to be replaced, but his stats are his stats if you use them correctly. He is not effective enough inside the red zone. Daboll has to do something with that.
I'm someone who has used advanced stats to kill Jones, so I would be a hypocrite to pretend they don't matter. The stats and the eye test say he's playing above average, just as it was the case in 2022.
But he also played decently at home in 2022, so until I see a good game from him at Met Life, his stats this year still feel a bit like a mirage. With 3 out of the next 4 at home, we're going to know for sure if his play is for real.
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Again, Nabers catches that pass against Washington, and a combination of 4 receivers catch passes against Dallas, and nobody is talking about Jones being an “enigma.”
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
The infamous “if” argument for Daniel.
There isn't a pro Jones argument that doesn't contain a bunch of "if"s. That is what happens when the stats and tape don't support your argument.
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Again, Nabers catches that pass against Washington, and a combination of 4 receivers catch passes against Dallas, and nobody is talking about Jones being an “enigma.”
Jones is playing well over the course of the last month.
The infamous “if” argument for Daniel.
There isn't a pro Jones argument that doesn't contain a bunch of "if"s. That is what happens when the stats and tape don't support your argument.
Ah yes, the ol "if" argument for passes that are right in the bread basket and dropped, that have a major factor in whether a team loses or wins a game.
But it’s always “if” everyone else was better the teams record would be better.
But it’s always “if” everyone else was better the teams record would be better.
And it’s the “ifs” with Jones that you only focus on. So who cares? The team has been bad for years because we have had a lot of bad players not doing their jobs.
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“If” Jones didn’t miss every single deep throw against Dallas they win.
But it’s always “if” everyone else was better the teams record would be better.
And it’s the “ifs” with Jones that you only focus on. So who cares? The team has been bad for years because we have had a lot of bad players not doing their jobs.
Wasn’t asking you. But glad you’ve moved on from still talking about a take on the defense that turned out to be pretty correct!
Yeah - you were right. The Herculean effort Jones gave yesterday while Seattles defense gave up 11.5 PPG per half should give him 5 more years. Glad you’re coming around.
Watch the upcoming twist from air. He’s never wrong!
Yeah - you were right. The Herculean effort Jones gave yesterday while Seattles defense gave up 11.5 PPG per half should give him 5 more years. Glad you’re coming around.
Watch the upcoming twist from air. He’s never wrong!
Very odd you’re repeating Ryan’s fake narrative. You should try coming up with your own material.
You don’t know me, or how I felt.
we're still dropping way too many balls, but guys are getting open and the line is much improved.
Outside of Minnesota, Jones has been good. Anyone not seeing that is just seeing what they want to see to back up their previous declarations about Jones.
I do think Daboll might be trying to get him killed with all the QB draws, though.
yesterday was a nice win, but those of you who are talking about how we should really be 4-1, or how Schoen has actually done a nice job - you were singing almost the exact opposite tune last week.
that you jump all over one win - a nice win, don't get me wrong - but one game - is demonstrating the same lack of judgment that our front office has shown for years.
someone quoted it perfectly either on this thread or another one - the front office would rather be "right" about Daniel Jones than fix this franchise. those of you talking playoffs because we won one game are of the same mind.
you've been abused for so long that you don't know what a healthy relationship looks like.
Yet with all that, after a stunning road upset when he diced the other guys up, the haters -- irreversibly mired in their reality distortion field - just can't stop hating
Yet with all that, after a stunning road upset when he diced the other guys up, the haters -- irreversibly mired in their reality distortion field - just can't stop hating
when there is time to throw and running game support he usually plays well enough to win. The "he's at best a backup" was always wrong.
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But big picture, there is no difference. We can’t get confused by Daniel Jones every time he plays a good game. He does every season. The problem is that he can’t do it consistently.
Which means he has twelve more games to prove he has cracked the "consistency" code. Let's see how he does vs Cincy, Philly, and Carolina and revisit this criticism at the bye.
Why is that the rebuttable presumption? That the burden is on the critics to revisit their argument and stay their hand?
Jones had a good game yesterday. It was, in fact, great on every metric. No one would or could deny that. That he did it without Nabers was even more impressive.
The question is its significance. He's had good games before and he's then gone back to clunkers. Perhaps he's truly turned a corner in year 6. Or perhaps this was a good game and he'll go back to having middling ones and terrible ones, i.e. being an average QB at best.
The historical record is in favor of the critics.
Yet with all that, after a stunning road upset when he diced the other guys up, the haters -- irreversibly mired in their reality distortion field - just can't stop hating
To your point, there were actually posters blaming Jones for Wandale's first drop. The ball hit him in both his hands and between the numbers! It's just weird at this point.
IMO, DJ has played above average bordering on good. He has missed too many deep throws and left point on the board no doubt. But overall except for the Minnesota game he's maming enough plays to put the team in position to win.
I will also say that despite all that, I still think if there is a QB available that's an upgrade in the first we need to draft him. While DJ has been maybe been top 10 to Top 12 this season, I want a guy who is a true difference maker. That and is injury history make me want to move on.
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That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
DJ is 11th in the NFL as we speak. Ahead of guys like Dak and Hurts and Darnold and Cousins and Stafford.
Willis doesn't qualify because who the hell cares.
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Sorry, not getting sucked back in on Daniel Jones. Daboll was able to scheme the one-read passing game today and isolate receivers. Jones was able to pick up the one read and make accurate and timely throws. Good job by both of them.
Dexter Lawrence is really good at football.
Great win.
Or maybe QBR is an incomplete measure of QB quality and more nuance is required.
Or maybe QBR is an incomplete measure of QB quality and more nuance is required.
Stop posting things that make sense, hater!
Or maybe QBR is an incomplete measure of QB quality and more nuance is required.
Yeah QBR is kind of ridiculous- I think Firlds was a top 10 QB coming into this week.
What is interesting is some of the best QBs are having down years tho. I mean Dak, Hurts have been pretty bad. Mahomes has looked human and Josh Allen has been pretty bad the last two weeks.
Weird year.
THIS!!!
Agree 100 percent. And the problem becomes that if anyone has the temerity to suggest Jones played a good game, the usual suspects berate you with snark.
The Giants played a very good game in a difficutl environment against a good not great team. Almoat no one gave us a chance. And DJ played a good game.
Let's enjoy it maybe
My issue is people throw them out and then when pressed, they run. Look at 2022, which is cited a ton--do people think Jones was the sixth best QB that year? Or is more nuance required? It's a good data point for sure, but people aren't using it to make an actual argument.
Fair take. I’ve been very harsh on Jones, but he played well yesterday.
My issue is people throw them out and then when pressed, they run. Look at 2022, which is cited a ton--do people think Jones was the sixth best QB that year? Or is more nuance required? It's a good data point for sure, but people aren't using it to make an actual argument.
I always say if you throw a couple of the advanced measures together (EPA, QBR, PFF) and average them, you get an accurate picture. Jones probably wasn't the 7th best QB in 2022, where EPA per play had him, but I don't think he was 17th or so, where PFF had him. Ergo, you put him at 12 or 13 for 2022 and get something that makes sense.
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With some of these decent performances which could save his starting job here in 2025.
I think Schoen will play it just like he did this past off season. If a qb they like can be drafted either with their pick or via a trade up, then they will do that. If not, they will roll with jones again.
I would be in favor of signing a capable free agent like cousins (if available), then draft the future QB. Then release or trade Jones if possible.
Jones has played decently, but is leaving plays on the field. He missed a few throws yesterday and he seems to conservative on the deep balls. I do not have All-22, but would love to see how many times he just couldn't pull the trigger.
He obviously made some really nice deep passes yesterday, navigated the pocket better than usual, and just looked more comfortable and decisive as a whole. That's great. I just still don't have confidence in the guy in certain situations, such as the final third down play. In such situations I'm so far from thinking, "Jones has got this, he's gonna end the game right here." Instead I'm nearly certain of an incompletion at best and an interception is always on the table.
It's a good thing Simmons made the play he did or who knows what the outcome would have been.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
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They absolutely need to be better passing the ball late in games and close them out. The 4th quarter play calling/execution with a lead is one of the few question marks I have about Daboll.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
What are you even talkng about? The post says "they" and "Daboll".
The Giants have penchant for letting teams hang around and have a chance to win (Cleveland and Seattle had both teams missing game tying field goals).
I know thinking is hard for you, but at least humor us sometimes. If that comes off as blaming Jones when he wasn't even mentioned, I'm not sure there's much else to say except that you're pretty pathetic. Not everything is a dig at Daniel Jones, don't be so defensive..
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They absolutely need to be better passing the ball late in games and close them out. The 4th quarter play calling/execution with a lead is one of the few question marks I have about Daboll.
Haha! I just knew you were going to twist yourself into a pretzel in trying to somehow downplay Jones's performance.
JFC, you are pathetic...He led the offense to 23 points, which should have been 30+ points if not for the fumble (which I'm sure you blame him for) and some BRUTAL drops by Slayton and Robinson. On the road. In one of the most difficult places to play. Oh, and also without his top WR.
But you're going to focus on the one aspect, instead of looking at the overall picture....
Completely agreed, we should be looking at the overall picture. The team is 6th worst in PPG this season and Daniel Jones has never been part of an offense that was above 16th.
Pretty simple to me. Keep signing qbs and maybe even draft one until there is someone better on the roster. Unless Jones regresses again-if he looks more 22 than 23; guess what his cap number is not that terrible in year 3 of this contract given the QB market is reset. Not ideal for sure. But you need to have a better option.
Maybe even draft one?
29 NFL teams have drafted a QB more recently than the Giants, who have not drafted a QB since Daniel Jones.
The fact that "maybe even draft one" is the suggestion and not "draft one every single year and in strong years draft two until you find the solution" is a pretty good illustration of just how satisfied with mediocrity this franchise and its fans have become.
We should be 2-0 in division
These are the kind of stats that only seem to get applied once bye weeks have begun and before SNF and MNF happens. It's a lot easier to stay in the top half of counting stats when a third of the league's QBs have played one fewer game.
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Jones 5th in the NFL in overall efficiency since week 2 but carry on.
That's awesome, I wonder if he'll perform well enough to post a QBR that comes close to Malik Willis, who has the top QBR in the league.
Posts like this that are completely untrue and devoid of any fact are what kills message boards.
It might also be posters that resort to sensationalism and drama by suggestion that a message board might die. They probably kill message boards too.