What would you pay to move up in next April's draft?

not knowing who is above us, who is available and what we have for picks, did we sign a guy etc (after possible trades)..

for. On the other hand, it seems to be a pretty deep QB draft. So, no, I would not deal up.

In comment 16648439 jvm52106 said:

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not knowing who is above us, who is available and what we have for picks, did we sign a guy etc (after possible trades)..

Who's above us-QB needy teams. Perhaps NE the only one willing to deal. Who's available-we know the likely parties: Beck, Cam, Sanders, Ewers, etc. Post combine trade so these guys will line up. Did we sign a guy? Like who? Darnold?

Too many variables. One, where are we picking. Two, who is picking ahead of us and what are their perceived needs and interests? Three, how are the QBs grading out? How many are considered "elite"? How many are considered round 1 (would a trade down possibly make sense for the right guy)?

to sign Sam Darnold.

In comment 16648474 Matt M. said:

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Too many variables. One, where are we picking. Two, who is picking ahead of us and what are their perceived needs and interests? Three, how are the QBs grading out? How many are considered "elite"? How many are considered round 1 (would a trade down possibly make sense for the right guy)?

For example, in 2018, I was not in love with any of the QBs at #2. I thought there were too many questions on all the consensus 1st round guys. Very late before the draft, I began thinking it would make more sense to trade down for a QB, with Jackson in mind...although he went a little later than I would have guessed.

Then again, I was also in favor of taking Barkley at #2 because of my overall dislike of the QBs.

I wanted no part of Darnold at all. Same for Josh Rosen or Mayfield. Allen I was wary of, recognizing the ceiling for him was high. Incidentally, I had similar feelings about Penix this draft. Very high ceiling, but a low floor.

and which QBs grade out the best.

Ala Mahomes, you give up whatever you have to….two #1’s plus.its the single most important position in sports.

Just kidding not that much, but a lot, especially in terms of draft picks.

Too many variables to answer this....

the teams in the top 5 may really want a QB - very likely if you look at the teams in contention for a top 5 pick right now - and so the price would be very expensive, like 3 number 1 picks plus more.

and then you have to consider the sloppy second effect. Presuming the top QBs are going pick #1 & #2, do you want the Giants to trade up to the into the 3-5 range to get a lesser QB prospect?

2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB."

2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB."

This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????

In comment 16648532 Go Terps said:

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2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB." 2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB." This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April????

Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft.

Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost...

Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025.

In comment 16648557 BlueVinnie said:

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In comment 16648532 Go Terps said: Quote: 2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB." 2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB." This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April???? Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft. Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost... Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025.

I believe McCarthy was the perfect play for the Giants. His age and his ceiling made him a perfect fit for a NYG front office that clearly hadn't/hasn't seen enough of Jones yet.

Consider how different things look for this franchise even if we had the same 2-4 record, Jones was just as bad, but we had McCarthy (injured or not!).

of the top 3 from last year. It is likely to have guys on the level of 4 - 6. Those are the kind of guys you stay put for, not deal assets to acquire. I think there's a good chance we're in a decent spot.

Totally agree and its why we are in a doom cycle. We will draft a QB in the weak 25 class when the 26 class will be strong again we will pass saying we have our guy. Its just the Jones draft again when we could have drafted Hubert the following year. I think the Giants have to take a different approch go after a FA QB like Cousins or Flacco some capable of executing a offense and draft the QB whenbrhe right one come around to spend all your draft capaital on.

and 2-15 is well within his performance abilities.

In comment 16648562 Chris684 said:

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In comment 16648557 BlueVinnie said: Quote: In comment 16648532 Go Terps said: Quote: 2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB." 2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB." This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April???? Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft. Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost... Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025. I believe McCarthy was the perfect play for the Giants. His age and his ceiling made him a perfect fit for a NYG front office that clearly hadn't/hasn't seen enough of Jones yet. Consider how different things look for this franchise even if we had the same 2-4 record, Jones was just as bad, but we had McCarthy (injured or not!).

I agree. I was certain that when the Vikings did not jump in front of us, that JJ would be the pick.
I also agree that 2-4 doesn't look quite as bad when you have hope for the future i.e. a potential franchise QB.

We trade away our first round pick for some teams 2026 1st and 2nd round picks. Then package our 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders in the 2025 to move up and select Arch Manning?

I meant to move up in the 2026 draft for Archie.

In comment 16648562 Chris684 said:

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In comment 16648557 BlueVinnie said: Quote: In comment 16648532 Go Terps said: Quote: 2024 (stronger QB class): "Don't force it. You can't draft a QB just draft a QB." 2025 (weaker QB class): "We've got to get our QB." This is what happens when you can't see past the next five minutes. How could you not see this coming this past April???? Yep. Granted Nabors has All Pro potential but there are typically a handful of good WRs available in the first & second rounds of nearly every draft. Whether you liked McCarthy, Pennix or Nix, the 2024 draft move was to get the QB. It would not have cost any future premium picks. I think McCarthy would be the #1 prospect if he stayed in school this year and entered the 2025 draft. And don't tell me the Giants didn't like McCarthy. They must have *at least* liked him a lot as JJ said the Giants spent more time with him than any other team. Think of it the #1 QB prospect at no additional cost... Now, they may be faced with paying a king's ransom to move up in 2025. Or an even worse scenario, continue with DJ in 2025. I believe McCarthy was the perfect play for the Giants. His age and his ceiling made him a perfect fit for a NYG front office that clearly hadn't/hasn't seen enough of Jones yet. Consider how different things look for this franchise even if we had the same 2-4 record, Jones was just as bad, but we had McCarthy (injured or not!).

Or, consider how 2-4 looks with your supposed next franchise QB on the shelf for the year with a knee injury.

Sustains the same injury on a different team and in a different situation?

2024 was a strong QB class because of the three guys who went 1-2-3 ahead of us. If there were two can't miss prospects in this class, people would be talking about it being stronger than it is, but it wouldn't matter unless we were picking in the top 2. Apparently some don't realize that you draft individual QBs, not the class. 2017 was considered an underwhelming draft class... shame on those Chiefs. 2004 was an all time great QB class --congratulations to the Bills for drafting J. P. Losman!

The same people complaining because we didn't blindly draft whatever QB fell to us last year are now complaining (in October) about who we might draft next year. And it's not even like we passed on have given us anything to bitch about.

QBs are projected to go throughout the 1st round, not in the top 5 like last year. We should be able to stay where we are and get one

Wrong. The complaint is about the strategy, the lack of foresight, and the change in tone to align with whatever approach the Giants take.

As ever, the Giants could draft an inanimate carbon rod and there'd be people here supporting the strategy.

Then I assume your take in 2025 is “you can’t force the pick.” If so, then just acknowledge you are ok drafting the best player and bringing back Daniel Jones or whoever the Giants can sign in free agency.

Sometimes you have to either force the pick, or take a late round flyer on a guy. The Giants have done neither in the past, and people here have applauded that. No problem with that, but then acknowledge that you are ok staying with Jones as long as it takes until need meets draft position, even if that is another 3-5 years.

I agree the last draft seemed to be the one to get a QB (I wanted McCarthy). I also agree with the poster who said next years draft has more depth than top end quality.

Season still has to play out and perhaps they wind up getting a new HC which can change things dramatically.

Left nut? I think we'll be fine wherever we draft. It'll be in the top ten. But I think the play of all these QB's is such that we'll have choices 'up and down' the board. No one is truly standing out, and that's good for us. We've been doing our homework on all of them, and I think we'll tab two or three who will be in our 'range', wherever that is.

can't refuse, and draft the according to your draft board.

It doesn't seem to be the draft to trade up. Seems pretty flat with the QBs. I'd be fine picking one who's available or picking another position and getting cheap/creative at QB.

We have to draft a QB somewhere but at this point I'd be fine if it's not the 1st. If we draft another Mara favorite in the 1st, that means we're committed for 5+ years. Might be better to load up the rest of the team and see if we can get lucky and Daboll can coach up an unheralded combo of FA vet/rookie.

6. The season and the future would be looking radically different even if he was sitting on the bench.

In comment 16648652 cosmicj said:

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6. The season and the future would be looking radically different even if he was sitting on the bench.

You think Penix misses on the wide open deep balls Jones has? I don't. If he'd been out opening day starter I think we're feeling very different right now. He was a perfect match for Slayton and Hyatt, with Robinson operating underneath.

In comment 16648658 Go Terps said:

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In comment 16648652 cosmicj said: Quote: 6. The season and the future would be looking radically different even if he was sitting on the bench. You think Penix misses on the wide open deep balls Jones has? I don't. If he'd been out opening day starter I think we're feeling very different right now. He was a perfect match for Slayton and Hyatt, with Robinson operating underneath.

I think we are going to be really sad we passed on Penix when he gets his chance to play and we see what he's all about.

Ryan may not be sad, but everybody else will be.

Was his remarkable 40. He was supposed to be immobile but I bet he turns into an effective scrambler. He’s faster than Jones by quite a bit.

In comment 16648668 cosmicj said:

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Was his remarkable 40. He was supposed to be immobile but I bet he turns into an effective scrambler. He’s faster than Jones by quite a bit.

Yeah he's fast. I don't know how often he'll run though because he's very decisive as a passer. His pressure to sack ratio was the best in college football in many years.

He threw the ball a ton, had a completion percentage and Y/A that was right there with the other QBs in that draft, and made very few negative plays. I still don't understand the criticism that went his way. The injury concern was fair, though the Giants didn't have him color coded as an injury concern on their board.

The Giants just didn't like him as much as Jones, I guess. Or they thought Nabers would make more impact. We've seen the wisdom of that so far.

moving up. We might just end up with the #1 pick after all?!

To go the Kerry Collins route.

We are talking about what NYG will pay to move up for a QB in 2025 which is a weaker QB class than 2024.

All of Penix, McCarthy and Nix were not good enough for NYG at six. All got picked within the ten picks which followed. Schoen could have drafted any of these QBs without giving up anything. Schoen could have drafted a WR in the second round or even traded for Aiyuk if he was that obsessed with improving WR.

Nabers is very good, but Daboll is predictably force feeding him. The poor guy already has a serious concussion.

The biggest disappointment is the thought from Schoen & Daboll that this offense would become an explosive passing offense because of Nabers with the same QB. Why did they think this? Did they not know Jones' limitations? Sure enough, Daboll has reverted back to the 2022 offense.

Watching Penix would have been fun.

of knowing whether the 25 class is better or worse than the 24 class. Draft a QB in 25 and again in 26 if necessary.

In comment 16648769 DavidinBMNY said:

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To go the Kerry Collins route.

That's paying Sam Darnold $50M+. You content with that?

Nabers, and was fine with the pick, but I would have drafted JJM. But since we took Nabers, I would have taken Spencer Rattler in the third or fourth round.

I am typically opposed to trading up, especially in the first round, because the cost is so high. Schoen and company haven't drafted well enough to earn the right to spend that amount of draft capital. At least 50% of first round QBs also bust.

I had no interest in Nix at #6, and because of his injury history, would not have considered drafting Penix until the middle of the first round after accumulating a lot of extra draft capital by trading down.

In comment 16648952 Maggot Brain said:

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of knowing whether the 25 class is better or worse than the 24 class. Draft a QB in 25 and again in 26 if necessary.

This is exactly how I feel. Take two QB’# next year if we have to. It’s time to find an adequate starter.